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>>98037963
>pallaeonfag is back
Oh joy. I suppose the TCW shitshorm in the last thread summoned him

>>98037963
I puked inside my mouth after seeing this picture. Terrible.

Never running a Legacy-era game so the Pellaeon-class will never show up in my games.

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>>98038041
stay mad, bitch

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>>98037963
>Pellaeonfag returns

>>98038099
Man
If I were to make a GAR army, I'd definitely go mono armor mark. While Phase II is cooler, Phase I is comfier. Are these the new sculpts?

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>>98038114
Except for the sergeant yep. They go together pretty good, but they come with a "leader" who has a pauldron which didn't seem right to me for phase 1 troopers so I got some normal guys printed to use as sergeants. One annoying thing is that the ARC troopers only come with phase 2 helmets so I had to get phase 1 helmets printed for them.

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I'm rewatching for the 1000th time (4/5/1/2/3/6 order), and I'm having some questions come to me that I'm not sure have been asked.
>ANH
>no notes, solid movie
>ESB, if the Empire takes over Cloud City after Luke and Leia escape, why doesn't Imperial Forensics try to identify some of the debris or foliage residue that might be left on Luke's X-Wing, or his dirt trail from the halls of Cloud City when he was getting led into the trap? Wouldn't they be able to identify that he had been to Dagobah? Alternatively, couldn't they have gotten Dagobah's location, and other Rebel locations from his X-Wings Navicomputer? Surely the planets he's been to are worth investigating.
>Couldn't the group have saved Han earlier if Lando sprung his trap like 2 minutes earlier? I'm sure Chewie, Leia, and Lando are more than a match for Boba, especially if Lando set up another similar trap to try and delay Boba.
>Also, Chewie and Leia wasted almost 30 seconds choking out Lando when they could've been rushing to the east platform.
>Speaking of Lando, I'm sure he really did care and love Han, but why didn't he give him some kind of coded message like "Empire is here, attack me and escape. Make it look good." So that Lando gets a black eye and shot in the leg, but Han and friends can escape Vader? It's possible Vader would've believed it, he doesn't know about Lando and Han's past.
>TPM next

>>98037963
I like the evolution of the ship from the Imperial

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So specialists are coming back next month, are they any good?

Reposting cause I did this too late in the previous thread
>Let me see if I have the Empire's organization right, mostly Legends, cause that's what I'm more familiar with
At the top, of course, Emperor Sheev Palpatine AKA Darth Sidious
>Vader was right below him as his right hand and, in Legends, the Supreme Military Commander
>Then comes the Grand Vizier, Sate Pestage in Legends and Mas Amedda in Disney, and the Royal Court, the brotherhood of funny hats
>The Moffs and Grand Moffs were basically Governors and in charge of day to day military with Tarkin at the top
>The Grand Admirals, with Thrawn as the most famous one, were mostly in charge of special military projects
>Isard and/or Cronal were the Heads of Intelligence
>The Prophets of the Dark Side, headed by Kadann, were some Dark Side cult that Palpatine absorbed into the Empire
>The Inquisitors were sent to hunt down Jedi mostly to get Vader to stop doing it so he could help Palpatine
>Palpatine also had his Royal Guards dressed in red who never really did anything of note except for Crimson Empire
>And there were the Emperor's Hands who were trained in the Force wrong as a joke and were all told they were the only one, with Vader grabbing Shira Brie and actually training her before she'd end up becoming Lumiya
>There's also Prince Xizor who was more or less Palpatine's link with the Underworld
Oh, and pretty much everyone here hates at least one other branch and they are in constant competition

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Is there any good reason to place a game set during the Dark Times in the Centrality or the Tion Hegemony?

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>>98038041
>>98038105
I feel the same.

>>98038236
Clone medics are a staple of ARC troopers. They let you counteract attrition, resurrecting a guy before shooting while also making your dice pool quite a bit better.

Clone engineers are sometimes taken in the 212th battleforce if you want to keep your tanks going for longer.

I've seen people take the clone captains if you have a way to give them orders to generate dodges each turns. Clone commanders are good in a vacuum but stupidly expensive right now

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>>98037963
What the hell is this? I recognize all the other ships in the OP, but this is new to me.

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>really liked that Clone Wars game that was bundled with the Xbox
>check eBay to see if there's any diecast versions of the little tank
>some asshole bought all of them that were listed under $50 last month
Bro I just want one, why did you need to buy a whole army of them...

>>98038417
If it's one guy, he's probably banking on driving up the price, so he can sell them at a tidy profit.

The TX-130 made several appearances after the Clone Wars video game, though, with the biggest probably being its inclusion in both of the original Battlefronts. It's got a strong cult following, enough that Lego has released three separate sets based on it, and to merit an inclusion in Legion. So you could have just gotten beaten to the punch by others looking for the cheap ones after some e-celeb pointed out that they exist.

>>98037963
that is easily the worst thing i have ever seen in my entire life

>>98038206
>Wouldn't they be able to identify that he had been to Dagobah?
It's possible they sent probe droids or sonething. Their chances of actually finding Yoda that way are basically nonexistent - especially if they aren't looking for him specifically.

>>Couldn't the group have saved Han earlier if Lando sprung his trap like 2 minutes earlier?
The bigger concern would have been Darth Vader's location. They probably wanted to make sure he was busy with his trap for Luke before acting.

>why didn't he give him some kind of coded message like "Empire is here, attack me and escape. Make it look good."
He probably did. The Bespin police were hostile to the Millenium Falcon to the point of shooting at it - likely an attempt to drive them away before the Empire found out the ship was there. Remember that Lando was told the Empire would leave the others with him if they got Luke, so cooperating probably looked like a better plan after they arrived. He also wasn't just trying to save himself and the other main characters. The whole city was basically being held hostage at that point.

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>Decide to throw the party in our ongoing game into ChatGPT for a laugh and ask it for music for them
>Get some MIDI files that aren't too bad
>Ask it for 'Fan songs' for the characters
In no particular order:
“Everybody Wants to Rule the World” — Tears for Fears/“Sweet Dreams” — Eurythmics
“Viva la Vida” — Coldplay/“Knights of Cydonia” — Muse
“People Help the People” — Birdy/“Bridge Over Troubled Water” — Simon & Garfunkel
“Knowledge” — Operation Ivy/“Control” — Halsey
“Brothers in Arms” — Dire Straits/“I Was Only 19” — Redgum
“Mad World” — Gary Jules version/“Human” — Rag’n’Bone Man
“Seven Devils” — Florence + The Machine/“Animal I Have Become” — Three Days Grace
Games theme is apparently a toss up between “Little Dark Age” — MGMT or "Ashes" — Longest Johns and my character is Nute Gunray enough that it suggested a different version of one of his songs for them.
The group is having a good laugh about this and currently tossing about anime "Animal I have become" AMVs from back in the day like hand grenades.
This has been your daily dose of whimsy.

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>>98039757
>He probably did. The Bespin police were hostile to the Millenium Falcon to the point of shooting at it - likely an attempt to drive them away before the Empire found out the ship was there. Remember that Lando was told the Empire would leave the others with him if they got Luke, so cooperating probably looked like a better plan after they arrived. He also wasn't just trying to save himself and the other main characters. The whole city was basically being held hostage at that point.

I don't think Lando is such a good buddy until he sees the ramifications of his actions when Han is getting tortured. He really seems to have believed he could cut a deal with Vader until that moment.

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>>98040012
>anime "Animal I have become" AMVs from back in the day
For me, it was TCW AMVs set to songs from Skillet or Breaking Benjamin. "Blow Me Away" is more intimately connected to Star Wars than Halo for me.

I know I shouldn't give into the nostalgia, those were tough times for a lot of grown people, but damn. I'd like to go back for a couple days.

>>98040335
>Blow me away
>Halo
You just gave me 'nam-esq flashbacks. Jesus.

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>>98040348
>ONLY THE STRONGEST WILL SURVIVE

>>98038279
>Bacta: It enhances size and firmness!

How did the empire in canon and EU present themselves to the citizens?
Which one was more efficient at running before the collapse by the rebels?

>>98041792
The Stormtroopers in ANH were kind enough to just leave when they came across a locked door in the streets of Tatooine.

If I wanted to get into the FFG RPG, which books should I get and which should I skip? I know I can download some of them via pdf, but I also like having a physical copy.

Are the beginning sets worth getting?

>>98039757
>They probably wanted to make sure he was busy with his trap for Luke before acting.
Although the rescue would have worked no matter whether Luke showed up or not. As long as Vader wasn't nearby at the time of their escape on the Falcon, they were good. Saving Han was not likely to ever occur.

>>98041792
Really aggressive Staties.

So for SWL I have a floral themed empire army, and I'm getting the mando army when it comes out. For themes I was thinking feathers/beaks for detail on the minis. Crow squad, hawk squad so and so forth. How are you all going to paint up your mandos?

>>98041792
They angled it as bringing safety and security to a galaxy in chaos from the aftershocks of the clone wars.
>"Just comply and you won't have any trouble"
So essentially a mix of 1920/30s germany and 2020s american alt-right politics, centrist "i just want to grill" mentality coupled with russian/soviet-style learned political apathy and public demoralization.

Start taking away civil liberties and slowly boil the frog in the name of security until full control is achieved or rebellion/terrorist actors appear then crack down even harder. For being a playbook from essentially the colonial era it is still very effective, even in a galaxy far far away.

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>>98042425
I'm just getting one Mando hunter/leader kit. Paint the male one in my Empire colors, and the female one in my CIS colors. See: picrel for concept sloppa.

>>98042435
No, the lives of the average hardly changed that much, for better or worse. The ones that were the oppressed were the Princes and Lords of the Old Republic, the Bail Organas, Mon Mothmas, and when you get down to it, the bourgeois like those French Town Hall guys over on Ghorman, all of them involved in the silk trade business.

The Empire wasn't bad for the lower and middle class, it was bad for a section of the upper class, the ones that dominated the late Ruusan Republic. The peacenik aristocrats and free traders of Alderaan and Chandrila got knocked out from their high-seat, and replaced by Eriadu and Corulag. Corellia, as usual, remained in the middle.

>>98040335
>tcw music videos
I remember an ash clones one that used the original clone wars scenes and one with the seizure of power song.
Old Amvs probably got copyright strikes and no longer here. Or deleted because old content and user didn’t log in or something else.
I bet ancient night core playlists are a graveyard of deleted videos now.
>>98040916
>>98040348
I feel stupidly old now.
Not even 30 yet.

>>98039642
Well we all know that's not true anon, we've seen your mum.

>>98042595
>The Empire wasn't bad for the lower and middle class, it was bad for a section of the upper class
Go watch/read any piece of star wars media. The lower class suffered the worst with the middle class actually being the broad masses that were mostly unaffected. The upper classes could get away with a lot but if they drew the empire's ire they would be shunted down to lower/middle class real quick and the empire nationalising their holdings.

Did they ever explain why the Mon Calamari ships are covered in blisters? They look gross.

>>98043061
They are ribbed for her pleasure

>>98043061
Shield generators and weapon locations, as well as disguising both and aesthetics.
They were originally converted from civilian ships, with each being a unique final product fit that hand crafted feel.
EU had MonCals have robust shielding due to having redundant shield generators that overlapped so that if one started to fail another still protected that area of the ship.

>>98042795
The lower class was actually the most attracted to the Empire. In the films we see that people like Luke and Biggs use the academy to leave their planet, in their case they wanted to defect but a lot of people wouldn't want to. We don't see the Empire badly affect the low or middle classes in most media except pre-PT media where the Empire was just generic evil faction that killed civvies for no reason and Disney which just wants to go fascism bad and that's how you get the Empire crushing civilians in Ghorman for no reason other than Tarkin being too lazy to find another parking spot

>>98044460
>forgetting the humans recruited for Tarkin's hitsquad in Bad Bitches S1
>forgetting that one of them expressly says he's grateful to the Empire for giving him a steady job

>>98044490
I don't watch Filoni trash so I didn't know honestly. I'm shocked Filoni would ever show the Empire in a positive light considering how much effort he went to distance his OCs from it so I'm guessing they get killed off by another Imperial for failing or something

>>98037963
So, i'm thinking of introducing into my game a plot about how there's a Geonosian Jedi who sat the Clone Wars out, watching over and keeping safe a secret stash of Queen Eggs, fearing the Republic would glass Geonosis. He's now waiting for the Empire to fall so he can rebuild their race. Essentially, giving the players the option of whether the Geonosians come back to the galaxy, or whether they are destroyed forever.

But can Geonosians even become Jedi? Realistically, any creature that can feel the Living Force can potentially become Jedi, but at the same time, i'm not sure that a hive-minded species would really do that.

The other idea i had was that, much like Ants breeding specific brood for specific purposes, what about the Geonosians growing their won Force Sensitive warriors who's whole job is to look after and guard the large stashes of Queen Eggs to guarantee the survival of their species.

What do you guys think? How would you make this storyline work?

>>98040012
I asked me players to send me music that fit their characters / obligations. Helps a lot when writing obligation encounters

>>98042595
> The Empire wasn't bad for the lower and middle class, it was bad for a section of the upper class, the ones that dominated the late Ruusan Republic. The peacenik aristocrats and free traders of Alderaan and Chandrila got knocked out from their high-seat, and replaced by Eriadu and Corulag. Corellia, as usual, remained in the middle.
Most of the time this is true for facist movements, with a giant caveat, it’s never all of the lower class that benefits, just the “right” part of it, which is frequently just large enough to provide the manpower that the machinery of the state needs to sideline the portions of the middle and upperclass which will be eaten to provide the party with its warchest and to reward the upperclass allies to the regime with the fief rewards promised them.

In Sheeve’s Galactic Empire, it’s the lower class humans and Humanoid Aliens who benefit. The Ugnaughts didn’t see the rising tides lift their boats, for instance.

>>98044690
Antifa faggots are so annoying. "Yeah literally nobody ever benefited from the Empire, that's why it remained in power even though literally only the upper class twits like Tarkin got anything from it"
Just accept what Lucas himself said, which is that the Empire DID stop corruption, it just did it in a way where it wasn't beneficial in the long run. But many civvies were perfectly happy.

>>98044710
I'm a leftist, but not retarded, and I even agree with this. Additionally, Ghorman and Alderaan shouldn't be viewed like proper parts of the Empire's in-group and more like separate states that are vassalized to the Empire. The Empire's building itself up as an in-group, it's born on Eriadu, Corulag, Naboo, etc, many worlds. If you read into how Ghorman is treated, it's more like a case of Iraq. They don't give a shit about Ghormans, because Ghormans aren't Imperials.

>>98044753
>Naboo
Still waiting on my proper "Imperial senator Padme" fanfic that isn't a lame gay feminist empress shitshow
Also add in Moff Panaka and even Jar Jar for the memes

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>>98044710
>Just accept what Lucas himself said
Yeah, he never did. You're just wildly misinterpreting what he said about Palpatine's twisted motivations. You also can't cherry pick Lucas' statements that you twist and turn only to suit your shitty headcanon. Pretty sure there are many things Lucas has said that you keep seething about in every thread and write off as not mattering because you don't like them.
>But many civvies were perfectly happy.
Is that why we see the entire galaxy celebrating at the end of RotJ, including on Coruscant specifically, entire streets of people cheering and celebrating and tearing down Palpatine's statue? And on Palpatine's home fucking planet of Naboo? Fucking moron. Perfectly happy civvies, you say? In the fucking capital of the Empire and on Emperor's home planet, streets full of people openly celebrating Empire's demise and Palpatine's death? Watch the fucking movies. You are colossally retarded, and you shit up every thread with your retarded headcanon, you deranged subhuman.

>>98044753
>>98044710
I guess it's easy to say everyone benefitted from the Empire by saying anyone who ends up facing the business end of an E-11 ackshually wasn't part of the Empire.
Ghorman, Alderaan, Chandrila or Corellia all had seats in the Imperial Senate. If that's not being part of the Empire then I don't know what is.

>>98044814
Adding on, Tarkin explicitly stated that
>Fear will keep the local systems in line
after the dissolving of the senate.
While I think the modern
>everyone hated the Empire except
is obviously flawed, its clear that there was widespread dissent that only grew after Alderaan and the Death Star in ANH.

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>>98042595
>>98044690
>living under a military junta GOOD
>because... maybe they leave you alone?
>unless they dont
>for any reason
>and suddenly there is no rule of law anymore
>well fuck
>b...but they got rid of corruption, right?
>beside all the corrupt moffs and imperial officers
>what? What was that?
>Hutt Space is still around?
>i...its fine, i guess
>haha
>n...no, i didnt question the empire
>please dont arrest me for wrongthink, mr ISB officoer, sir
>hail the empire, haha!

>>98044839
The Imperial Senate and its precursor, the Galactic Senate, is more separate from the federal government than it is IRL. It's a quasi-US/UN mix. The fed which becomes the Imp is the Imperial nation, and we see plenty of people identifying as 'Imperial' over any planetary loyalties. Alderaan, Ghorman and Corellia were more like vassals. Also, Corellia was more a loyalist vassal than not. It kept its quisling government in for much longer after Coruscant fell.

>>98044763
I'd bet Moff Panaka would actually be decent at his job. Always hapless in the face of whatever Rebel-aligned heroes faced, but competent-enough to handle off-screen tasks.

Jar Jar would be the formidable one, assuming the Empire would ever let him progress to a leadership role. He'd be expensive, wasting whole Star Destroyers in all likelihood, but somehow bumbling his way to victory every time.

>>98044753
I think Alderaan was exactly the sort of world the Empire wanted to be in their in-group (well established wealthy human world with deep ties to other core worlds and a long history of participation in galactic affairs)

Palpatine rose to power igniting tensions between old money human core worlds, and up and coming alien powers. Following the Clone Wars, a lot of people in the in-group tolerated the militarization of their societies and loss of rights as a way to ensure the Clone Wars didn't happen again, but after two decades, the Clone Wars were fading from memory, and a new generation of idealists within the in-group were forming alliances with both the out-groups and small groups within the in-group that never truly accepted the Empire in the first place. The Empire responded with brute force which just turned more and more people against them until all they had left were the hardcore political ideologists

>>98045192
You're missing the main point of his support-base, which is human colonial worlds. That's what Naboo is, and it's very different from Alderaan. Another one is Eriadu. It's specifically the worlds out on the frontier, settled by the Core, which is most susceptible to being at the frontline of a racial war.

>>98045244
Certain groups of working class humans in both the core and the rim may have been among Palpatine's strongest supporters, but many of them idolized the established human core worlds (Eriadu basically dedicated their culture around trying to emulate the core worlds)

That is why Alderaan got a free pass for their low level resistance for so long, and also why Alderaan was the first to be blown up. Losing control of the established human core world cultures would have not only created a bunch of wealthy, politically powerful enemies, it also would mean losing control of a faction that many in the Empire looked up to

>>98044536
>What do you guys think? How would you make this storyline work?
A simple orphan story.
>criminal utilizes a brood of Geonosians for cheap slave labor (for whatever reason/niche) somewhere in the outer rim
>Jedi acting as space police bust up the criminals
>find a youngling among them that's force sensitive and maybe ostracized by the others because it has a weaker grasp of the hive mind (maybe due to force sensitivity)
>youngling mcbugface grows up and joins the agricorps, sits out from combat to grow spacewheat and manage logistics
>post 66 but prior to Geonosians getting genocided to build the Death Star mcbugface manages to secure a queen egg, likely after visiting his birthworld and seeing the carnage there

>>98044710
What Lucas was going for was the Empire started with the support of the core worlds, but then in 6 you see Coruscant revolting after the Emperor died. That tells us that while the Empire was good to its core for a while, even they grew to hate it.

>>98045192
>Alderaan was exactly the sort of world the Empire wanted to be in their in-group
Yes and no. The Empire's big problem that the Death Star was supposed to solve was the issue of controlling wealthy Core worlds with full-coverage shield systems. Rim planets or poor worlds could be invaded and overwhelmed one at a time by the Empire's military. Core worlds could theoretically destroy the Empire's without combat, just by having a bunch of planets turn on their shields and locking the Imps out. They couldn't conduct the protracted sieges that would be required with their logistical rug pulled out from under them. Alderaan being wealthy and old, but not an industrial powerhouse made it a good sacrifice to show the others they'd lost their strategic options for noncompliance, and hence their political leverage against Palpatine. Basically, they want Core Worlds for their industries, but Alderaan was a culture center instead, so it was disposable.

>>98041815
I've never really thought about that before.

>>98044814
I always assumed it was less a case of "People were happy" and more "A lot of the vast population centers didn't see enough Imperial Bootheel that they were able to blissfully ignore it." Hence Luke's comment of "It's all such a long way from here."

But on that note, it also says something that Tattooine is under the Hutts and even there, Imperial sentiment seems to be very much on the hatred side of things.

I think it was a case of, much like real life, enough of the people at the top were benefitting and convincing the people in the middle and the bottom that those benefits would trickle down to keep them tied over. Those who weren't pacified by the promise of more to come later, were forcibly pacified by said Imperial Bootheel or fear of it.

But yeah, if the vast majority loved The Empire, why did Lucas go out of his way to make it VERY clear that EVERYONE, EVERYWHERE rejoiced at the majority of the top brass being murdered.

>>98045683
Hard to say, Star Wars is super inconsistent with numbers and has a poor sense of scale.

I think other than Kuat, Corellia, and a few others, not too many of the wealthy, well established core worlds were industrial powerhouses, plenty of shit got built in the rim worlds where labor was cheaper, rare minerals not yet depleted, and environmental regulations non-existent

The Empire could survive without the core worlds from a resource point of view, but letting the core worlds, particularly Coruscant, slip out of their grasp would have really hurt their legitimacy as the ruler of the galaxy

>>98038026
>is back
he never left, you get the shills you deserve

>>98044839
Mon Mothma (and Chandrila) didn't benefit as much from the Empire because it was a significant loss of influence for her. She was an extreme political animal from a powerful Core World and family (which she used more than a few times to influence media reporting), and originally Palpatine's choice for a number of important Senate committees, she was in his inner circle even - not as close as Mas Armedda, perhaps, but very much the "in crowd" - up until the Republic became the Empire.

And then, all the access she had enjoyed began to disappear and the military arm and Moffs and governors began exercising more control. Mon Mothma, in Disney canon (Legends went a different path), arguably didn't start funding the Rebellion to restore democracy and justice to the galaxy. She did it because she wanted the old system back. The system where she was coincidentally part of the privileged class, where she didn't have the Empire knowing how, for example, she acquired or spent her money. The system so ripe for and vulnerable to corruption that Palpatine was able to manipulate it like a puppet into breaking down.

Bail Organa was always called out as having respect from other Senators because he explicitly never partook in any kind of kickback and it was well-known. Mon Mothma did not have the same respect despite claims. You wonder why.

>>98047227
Legends Mon Mothma and Disney Mon Mothma are more or less the same, Disney just expanded a bit on her dealings, but generally it's the same story overall. The Rebellion wasn't plucky lower-class dudes fighting the man, it was privileged aristocrats wanting to get back their "divine rights" that the Empire took away.

>>98046047
>But yeah, if the vast majority loved The Empire, why did Lucas go out of his way to make it VERY clear that EVERYONE, EVERYWHERE rejoiced at the majority of the top brass being murdered.
Because Lucas' idealized form of government is a fantasy monarchy, just as idealized by the Democratic Party. His ideal politician is probably someone like JFK, which Bail Organa I presume takes after. He's kinda similar to Tolkien in that regard, just one is liberal, other conservative. Both are against modern centralization and mass politics.

>>98047735
Nah, the New Republic that Mon Mothma was leading the building for in Legends was a very different beast to the New Republic she built in Disney that was effectively a carbon copy of the old one with a new coat of paint. Legends NR didn't really start going to proper shit until she was retired/dead and the FUCKING BOTHANS took control.

>>98048018
What are you talking about? The NR very nearly collapsed in on itself during the Caamas Crisis. The main difference is that Legends NR had a more active military, but it was entirely reliant on its member states just as much.

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>>98047735
Hmm, that seems to remind me of an important historical event that George Lucas may have been inspired by.

>>98048318
Mothma was something like 8 years gone from New Republic decision making by Caamas, anon. She resigned during Jedi Academy trilogy, which was set in 11 ABY, Corellian trilogy in 18 explicitly showed her completely out of politics and taking no part whatsoever, she just politely retired out of sight and mind, Caamas was 19, and she died in 24. The growing reliance on member states was even instituted around 17-18, as Corellian trilogy says, because so much of the NR main fleet was in dry dock for long overdue maintenance (it's why Ackbar struggled so much to bring a decent fleet to the Corellia trilogy finale, he had almost no ships) and what they did have was policing brush fires just like the Empire used to do except without a clenched iron fist and using Jedi as fast as Luke could pump them out.