>>98053154
Yet another dogshit thread for nevergames. Great. Just great.

>>98053086
Nice projection, fishfag.

>>98053023
>He's right, though. 2e's design philosophy is in direct opposition to Gygaxian D&D, and to go full storyshittery. It's not only not OSR, it's the OPPOSITE of OSR
>WFRP, on the other hand, is a wargame-based "RPG". That means that, while it isn't OSR, at least has the same roots as D&D, so there's some overlap.
>It's not rocket science.
Fuckin' A

>>98052979
>hurr durr didn't read your post
>quotes it
Genius. Absolute genius

>>98053154
>stupudly
Learn to spell English, dyslexic retard.

>>98052162
>C&C was endorsed by Gary Gygax
Who fucking cares? Gary Gygax authored Lejendary Adventure and whatever that other dogshit game of his is called, and those aren't OSR either.

Now as for ACKS, I want to ask: did Macris simply remove the Halfling? Are there no Halfling race-classes? I can kind of understand it, as they don't seem to mesh well with the late-antiquity default setting, but the ACKS classes have looked great so it seems a shame not to see the Halfling get the Macris treatment.

>>98052996
This doesn't seem to respond to anything in that post. It explicitly says WFRP isn't OSR, so how is that contorted?

>>98053086
>trollcow
lmao
DEFINITELY not the same guy though!!! 100% not trying to derail /osrg/!

Pathetic

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>>98053193
>did Macris simply remove the Halfling
Great question about the greatest RPG game since 1981. Happy to answer!

Alexander constantly jokes that he hates Halflings and he does but no, he didn't remove it. Not fully, at least: There's rules for Halflings in the Custom Race section, it's trivial to use them to make your own Halfling race-and-class.

>>98053207
I see, but they're not provided with the full race-class treatment as the Elf and Dwarf are, then. It's a fair compromise if he hates Halflings, tb h. Another good decision in the greatest fantastic adventure game since 1981!

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>>98053193
In fact, three are two halfling classes:

The Halfling Burglar (basically a Halfling Thief) and the Halfling Bounder (basically a Halfling Fighter). The Judges Journal only gives how it was built points-wise, the full details of the class are just given elsewhere.

>>98053215
>they're not provided with the full race-class treatment as the Elf and Dwarf are
They actually are, see here: >>98053219
However, I don't know which book has the full class descriptions.

>>98053219
>>98053223
Very interesting, Anon! It seems reasonably easy to infer what the Burglar and Bounder are broadly like at any rate.

I also have to say I really like the Difficult to Corrupt racial power. Very faithful to Tolkien in a way you don't see often!

>>98053207
>>98053219
>>98053243
ACKS is offtopic. If you keep posting it you're willfully breaking site rules.

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>>98053243
>I also have to say I really like the Difficult to Corrupt racial power. Very faithful to Tolkien in a way you don't see often!
It is! Macris actually made a whole book dedicated to running Tolkien-like campaigns, with a radically different systems of magic (shaded magic), and its own unique classes. I will make an overview on it eventually.

>>98053262
>Tolkien-like campaigns
This is actually reductive. That ACKS book called the Heroic Fantasy Handbook not only has rules and options for Tolkienesque campaigns, but also for Howardian campaigns unsurprisingly, given how Adventurer Conqueror King is an explicit nod to Conan, Lovecraftian campaigns, Smithian campaigns, and so on.

It is unironically a great book.

>>98053277
>D&D is often to scared to make an actual necromancer
"AD&D" 2e perhaps is, on account of the Bowdlerisation, but that's not even real D&D. Gygaxian D&D has never been scared of necromancers.

>>98053285
>look at downtime from 5e for inspiration
Jesus fucking Christ you nevergame retards literally know nothing about the OSR. Go back to plebbit.

Before this one gets rolling, I want to point out that while I made >>98048482 from yesterday, I did not create this one.

Feel free to bash each other in your endless war, but don't lump me in with it

>>98053316
I've consistently enjoyed the "Open OSR" threads more than the "OSR Thread" threads, more actual discussion.

>>98053250
Oh well, faggot.

>>98053154
>what other dungeons exist that try to be a stupudly hard death trap ala tomb of horrors?
Mud Sorcerer's Tomb, Dungeon Mag #37. Better designed than ToH, and it's even more punishing in certain respects. ToH is kind a meme, Mud Sorcerer's Tomb learns a lot of lessons from it and elevates it into something actually playable as more than a gotcha.

>>98053316
You've been sucking off fishfag non-stop since last February, when you showed up on this site from plebbit and RPGnet, and now you're trying to act like you don't know him and want nothing to do with him. Now go ahead and tell us how he doesn't exist.

>>98053327
>5.0 Playtest adventure
I'm extremely skeptical, you're gonna have to sell me pretty well on if it can be used ro any kind of OSR play

>>98053322
Thank ya, when it the other gets closer to arching I will start a 3rd. While the osrg guys will keep trolling no matter what, I am not gonna let them dictate outside the osrg what OSR stuff I can talk about.

>>98053172
>>98053176
>>98053179
>>98053190
>>98053201
You know your previous thread is still up, right? You can just go there.

>>98053359
I accept your concessions.

>>98053349
Don't make a new thread until this one archives. We already have a thread, no need to bloat the catalog.

>>98053250
This is the ACKS general, how can it be offtopic?

>>98053349
>I am not gonna let them dictate outside the osrg what OSR stuff I can talk about
And yet you never discuss anything in these threads! Is that because you don't really care about OSR games, or is it because the "osrg guys" actually can dictate to you what you can talk about?

>>98053359
>You can just go there.
Make me. Use your mod powers to force me to do it, fagballs.

>>98053384
This one isn't mine and we all know this one will be nothing but a flame war in a few hours. I don't plan to make another until mine is done but this one will have little conversion, just trolling .

>>98053408
I was discussing all kinds of stuff in the last thread dude. Not everyone is your boogieman

>>98053419
No one is his boogeyman.
What's really concerning is how >>98053159 patrols this board constantly and floods threads with no concern for himself deliberately breaking the rules.

His whole everyone is fishfag thing might all just be a projection for being far more of a samefagging psychopath than anyone could even believe until now.

>>98053493
I don't think it's one guy on either side. It's an argument ongoing 24 hours a day. You can see shifts in style on both sides and map it to timezones pretty easily

>>98053521
It's not one guy per side, but the guy who either made this thread just so he could immediately start flooding it, or even more concerningly spends so much time refreshing this board just in case someone makes a thread so he can pounce on it (which he's done several times now), is clearly a genuine psychopath.

>>98053542
It is more than one guy, the posting styles and times simply require it

>>98053569
Not if he has a phone and is deliberately trying to decieve people, both of which are true.

>>98053415
meh..
then they will bring it to bumplimit in a day or so, and a new thread can be created when this one sinks
it's really not an issue
let them waste their time, work on your project instead, keep an eye on the thread and return when its back to [somewhat] normal
repeat ad infinitum
they are really stupid and their strategy just isn't sustainable in the long run

>>98053578
yes, most certainly they are phone posting relentlessly, probably to evade tempbans as well
but I'm also pretty sure there are at least 3 of them on and off (all three are active members of acks discord and screenshots of their activity have been posted in the fall of 2025 or so)

>>98053597
hilariously they immediately reproted the posts to be deleted
indirectly confirming anon got them right

>>98053154
>>Is this a general?
>No
Liar.

>>98053597
You'd only know that of you were in the server too :)

>>98053622
Considering how desperate the ACKSfags are to shill and recruit, I don't think it really takes much effort to "infiltrate" their discord.

>>98053582
I try to time it to hit between the times the three troll groups post. That way we get some discussion going before the flood starts

>>98053632
Sure, but if you actually cared about the problem you wouldn't be complaining about it in this thread, you would either be in that server directly telling the user base, or you would be on IRC contacting the moderators of this website.

I play ACKS twice a week, it's a great game. I don't think I'm going to run it by the book myself, but there's definitely a lot of it that I'm going to dissect it for and add into my own games

>>98053645
>you would either be in that server directly telling the user base,
...What?

How could going into a discord composed of 100% retards (ie ACKSfags) ever possibly be a good idea? Even the guy who went in there and took screenshots probably took a step too far in this whole debacle.

>>98053645
>how can you spot an acks fanboy?
>you don't, they'll tell you
keks

just a joke, you are aight
tell us which specific rules you think are salvageable?
just don't spam the thread

>>98053663
>Even the guy who went in there and took screenshots probably took a step too far in this whole debacle.
I don't recall the whole thing and in no mood to search for it
but as I recall one of the regular ackshills was just as obnoxious at the server when addressing anyone
I wouldn't be surprised it actually was one of server's regulars who just got fed up with him and wanted to prank him

>>98053663
and how is complaining ITT accomplishing anything?

>>98053671
>just don't spam the thread
janitor application denied?
>tell us which specific rules you think are based?
-market availability
-thief abilities
-explorer class
-Mortal Wounds
-Tampering with Mortality
-monster harvesting
-monster training/purchase/sale costs
>>98053678
sounds like youre just a limpwrist coward, posting profiles while hiding.

>>98053349
What if next thread was just called Old School General? Or something along those lines that doesn’t use “OSR”, so it doesn’t start this shit flinging on what is or isn’t “OSR”. I don’t care about labels, I just want a thread about pre WotC systems that isn’t filled with spamming. I doubt this ACKS spammer even plays it, he just found a shitty game no one likes that he can shit up threads he disagrees with

>>98053705
>and how is complaining ITT accomplishing anything?

I mean, this thread is particularly good for calling out what kind or retards we're dealing with, because we've got a nice sample of the kind of shitposts they flood with and the intense buttmad that fuels them.

We even got a nice sampling of some of their generated chatter posts, the kind of soulless posts they also use to bump their /osrg/. Now, I don't think they're AI-generated, but they're so forced and so blane that they might as well be.

>>98053705
>janitor application denied?
never applied
just common decency

>>98053770
>I don’t care about labels
>Let's call it the "old school general"
Wow, you're such a good liar, I'm impressed. Nobody will see that you're full of shit if you say that you call it "old school general" if you also say that you don't care about labels.

>>98053705
>Tampering with Mortality
what's that?
>thief abilities
are they an upgrade compared to D&D?

Why did you abandon the “open” part of the thread subject? That’s the main thing differing this from /osrg/, if you want to keep making these you need to include that and link to /osrg/. Otherwise you just look like a troll

>>98053800
>Otherwise you just look like a troll
lol
lmao even

>>98053790
“Pre 2000s WotC Purchase But Totally Not OSR” just doesn’t roll off the tongue unfortunately

>>98053800
This is a different anon. The Open poster is in here saying this isn’t him

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>>98053799
>>Tampering with Mortality
>what's that?
When using the spell "Restore Life and Limb", you can repair bodily damage, including death, but it has a chance of tampering with your soul, based on alignment.
>>thief abilities
>are they an upgrade compared to D&D?
Strictly, yes. My favorite thing is "shadowy senses":
>When moving at combat speed or exploration speed, a thief can “see” as if he were carrying a light source that sheds dim light in a 30’ radius. Shadowy senses can be used to fight, probe for traps, and so on. However, shadowy senses cannot be used to discern colors, faces, markings, or flat images (such as frescoes and murals), or to read books, maps, or scrolls. Shadowy senses does not function if the thief is charging or running, if deafened, or if in an area of bright light, magical darkness, or magical silence. Because it counts as dim light,
an opponent can hide from shadowy senses.

>>98053800
Linking to the /osrg/ or otherwise trying to appease the trolls is not gonna work. They're gonna flood the threads regardless.

As for this OP, there's a chance this one was a falseflag, considering how immediately the flooding occurred and how the OP of the previous versions of this thread has been moving towards appeasing the trolls instead of deliberately antagonizing them. It didn't stop them from flooding those threads, but it certainly made them look more ridiculous for doing so.

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>>98053809
>Man, if only there were a name for "pre-WotC" D&D! But there isn't any, I swear! I can only call it "OSR"!
Jesus fucking Christ, I know you 2etards were retarded (it's in the name itself), but you constantly outdo yourselves.

>>98053770
>Old School Game
this isn't the correct naming as this thread is not about old-school games, but about old-school D&D, OSR retroclones and OSR-adjacent games
Old runescape editions are oldschool games but it's not about the same gameloops and themes
>what is or isn’t “OSR”
that's not the topic of the thread
and including all OSR-adjacent games meant specifically to make discussion on what nuance make a game on topic pointless.
DCC? probably not OSR but maybe someone can hold a conversation with you
WoD? obviously you are in the wrong thread
>thread about pre WotC systems
well that's the idea
OSR is already a niche inside a niche hobby
there is no sense in splintering it into smaller shards

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>>98053154
>TQ
Labyrinth of Madness seems interesting but I never hear anyone talk about it. Anyone here ever ran it before?

>>98053831
Could use what >98053829 suggests. Call it TSR general, make for TSR and “TSR adjacent” games

>>98053860
I'd say not to overthink it and also make it easy to search for. OSR Complete or something like that.

>>98053770
Dude they invaded one called todd. It doesn't matter what you call it. I tried in mine to be non aggressive and even linked the echo chamber. They don't care, everyone is fishfag just talking to himself 247 to troll them in Thier mind.

>>98053800
I was the OP of that thread it's still up. This one isn't mine

>>98053875
>Dude they invaded one called todd.
Bullshit, it was almost always fishfag trying to get /todd/ to close down so he could raise his sperg army against /osrg/.

>>98053885
Yet it looked just like the osrg trolls.

>>98053893
>If someone tells fishfag to fuck off when he tries to raise a sperg army to raid another general, he's the troll.
Sure, buddy.

>>98053885
NTA, but /todd/ was "endorsed" by the /osrg/ trolls and they filled it with their thread-killing forced chatter. It's hard for people to have real discussions when everyone in the thread is only interested in bumping it to establish a second-class ghetto.

>>98053912
>they filled it with their thread-killing forced chatter
Saying that with a straight face after all your subhuman attempts at simulating discussion in these threads takes some guts. Congratulations.

>>98053176
WHFRP is some of the most railroaded module based new school design of the era. If Dragonlance is out because of its focus on storyfagging, WHFRP is too.

>>98053966
You're literally replying to a comment saying that WFRPG isn't OSR by saying "you're wrong, it isn't OSR!"

I know you 2etards are retarded it's in the word itself, but you constantly outdo yourselves.

>>98053770
>Why don't we just call the next hijack thread /osrg/?
Genius move, flawless, cannot fail. Really didn't see this coming though!

>>98053773
>noooo the real conversations in /osrg/ are soulless! [cry emoji]
>my template LLM sloppa is so much more SOVLFUL
kek

>>98053275
The hero metapoints in The Barbarian Conquerors of Kanahu are some very nusr forge stuff though.

>>98053805
I might even go so far as to say rofl

>>98053800
>That’s the main thing differing this from /osrg/
jej

>>98053963
You really have knack for inadvertantly revealing the truth by protesting as hard as you can against it.

>>98053831
fwiw having an Old-School games thread could be the easy solution at that point. You'll end up with semiregular spats about what that means but that's not new. Might have a similar problem as the nusr thread where there's not really enough connective content to sustain discussion or creative output but if it doesn't work you can always make another thread. They're not in short supply.

>>98053984
European detected.

>>98053875
>Dude they invaded one called todd.
No we didn't, actually. You're blaming your own bullshit on us.

>>98053875
>Thier

>>98053912
>they filled it with their thread-killing forced chatter
Lmao those were real people having regular conversations that you can't identify due to your gangstalking-tier schizo delusions, you're a literally insane person.

>>98053984
That's like the third time he's done it as well. For some reason he thinks it's going to work if he just repeats it enough, just like spamming out these hijack threads.

>>98054026
>Might have a similar problem as the nusr thread where there's not really enough connective content to sustain discussion or creative output

The early /nusr/ threads actually had that. The problem started when the ACKSfags decided to start trolling in it and drove everyone away. Every time it becomes clear that a thread just has the ACKSfags in it, people stay away from it, leaving it just to the ACKSfags to bump.

>>98054040
Yep my autocorrect likes to capitalize it. What's your point?

>>98054054
>Every time it becomes clear that a thread just has the ACKSfags in it, people stay away from it, leaving it just to the ACKSfags to bump.
Why are you still in this thread then? Are you an ACKSfag? You know we're here posting, right?

>>98053860
it's not for TSR and TSR adjacent games though
it's for OSR and OSR adjacent games

>>98054056
>What's your point?
My point is samefagging retard detected.

>>98054064
>it's for OSR and OSR adjacent games
Nah, /osrg/ is for OSR games. If you want one just for OSR adjacent games that's basically /nsrg/. Either way, no need for two OSR generals.

>>98054048
Let's be honest for half a second.

It's clear you've got an agenda. That you make posts motivated by that agenda. That's why you're making posts in this thread, after all.

There's no point in arguing what percentage of your posts are "real" and how much is just forced chatter, because it doesn't really matter. Your forced chatter drives people away even just on a subconscious level, just like how bad AI art does. If someone had to place a bet on if any of your posts was real or chatter, they'd always be safer betting on chatter.

You don't really understand that. That's why you think people can be tricked by your chatter, all while you do your best to pretend people willing to put up with your flooding just to try and have a real discussion are actually the ones who are forcing a conversation. You're even innately attracted to real people, which is why you're so desperate for attention from them and why you spend hours of your life in these threads.

>>98054065
Son, you say that about at lest 6 different people. It's an autocorrect thing. Do you think I choose to do that? No the autocorrect does it

>>98054072
Nah
the divide between "trve OSR" and "NSR" is superficial and unnecessary

>>98054060
ACKSfags shitposting is at least real. It's just them baring their shit-filled souls, and can be ignored pretty easily.

It's when they're doing their best to discuss games seriously that really drives people away. ACKSfags are just that innately dull.

>>98054030
Not everybody who can spell English correctly is a European, retard.

>>98054095
Lmaooooo
I literally didn't post in /todd/ at all since the topic wasn't anything that interested me, neither did anybody else in /osrg/ I bet. You're just such a deranged lunatic that you actually believe real conversation is "forced chatter" because you think everyone and everything is persecuting you. There's an actual paranoid schizophrenic thing where they start thinking real people are mannequins or weaking masks which is the same exact issue you're exhibiting, imagining real people as fake decoys created to fuck with you.

Everybody else is "tricked by the chatter" because it's obvious to them that that's what real conversations actually look like.

>>98054099
So... you're saying 6 different people have the exact same autocorrect problem? Okay, sure, and would you like to try to sell me a bridge while you're at it?

>>98054123
>neither did anybody else in /osrg/ I bet.
Willing to bet that you'll never post on this board ever again?

>>98054064
>it's not for TSR and TSR adjacent games though
>it's for OSR and OSR adjacent games
So you agree that "AD&D" 2e isn't OSR. I accept your concession.

>>98054114
Nope. Your insistence on trying to post a second OSR general reveals your true motive, which is to shitpost and derail the legitimate OSR general. If you didn't want to do this, you'd accept making a thread for just the non-OSR stuff.

>>98054123
ironic

>>98054095
> That's why you think people can be tricked by your chatter
All of /osrg/ is just this incredibly forced, fake niceties style of posing now. It's not any real conversation, just people pretending to talk
>My group did X
>Wow! Please and thank you!
>Blah blah cult of Jeffro Bleh bleh AD&D
>Thank you! such insightful organic discussion
And they feel so threatened by a competing non-general thread they feel the need to spam/flood to speedrun it to bump limit. this threads been up for less than 6 hours and it's already a third of the way done. meanwhile the /osrg/, the thread we'd be posting in if they weren't occupying it so visciously, has multiple hours between posts, sometimes 4-5, maybe 7 or more hours, and has been up for multiple days. they'd rather put all their energy here than the thread they squat in, ironic.

>>98054099
>at lest
You're very recognisable, dyslexic plebbitor from RPGnet.

>>98054132
Of course, he's known that the entire time.
Remember, he actually doesn't play, read or care about 2e. He's only trying to use it as a prybar to get into /osrg/ and fuck it up because of some stupid grudge he has against the OSR.

>>98054129
I mean I am using a pretty common phone. Sometimes it's me when you repeat it but twice it hasn't been.

Just like you or someone else thinks the North American spelling of boogieman is a tell. Yeah it's a tell we are from the US or Canada.

>>98054140
The best part is that we even have samples of what they think "real discussion" looks like in this very thread with deliberate chatter posts.

>>98053193
>>98053207
etc.

And it's identical to how they post in the /osrg/.

>>98054140
>Fishfag attempted UNO Reverse!
>It's not very effective...

>>98054114
Correct.
>>98054136
It's not a general. And we want to talk about the OSR, not your hyper cherry picked, adjustable goalposts at a moments notice, inconsistent personal definition of what it is. the fact that you feel the need to inflict your presence here rather than just ignore us and bask in your echo chamber, speaks volumes

>>98054146
>the North American spelling of boogieman
Kek
It's a Utica expression, huh?

>>98054143
That is is normally me, but a few of you trolls have faked it too. When it's me, it's not like I don't say it's me. I don't talk to myself, but I am on a phone so I often respond to one person at a time and don't do long multi posts.

You just think someone replying to a few people is somehow a gotcha

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>>98054140
>All of /osrg/ is just this incredibly forced, fake niceties style of posing now.
fishfag, you have a broken theory of mind. You can't tell the difference between a real conversation and a fake one, and you're not able to create a conversation with yourself that looks real.

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>>98054136
>I want to discuss all OSR games
>NOOOO your true motive, which is to shitpost and derail the legitimate OSR general. If you didn't want to do this, you'd accept making a thread for just the non-OSR stuff.
you are legit impossible to have a normal conversation with due to severe stage of lunacy and having made up your own set of logic

>>98054154
>It's not a general.
A recurring thread about a specific game or games is a general. It doesn't magically become not a general because you say so, any more than 2e becomes OSR because you angrily claim it is.

>>98054154
>not your hyper cherry picked, adjustable goalposts at a moments notice, inconsistent personal definition of what it is.

Is it fair to say that their definition is also just really bad? Specific or not, they really just seem to be dedicated to encouraging everyone to play in the most braindead and robotic ways.

>>98054161
lmao, glad you don't care so much as to come here and shitpost. you truly don't care, i mean you spent hours of your life making stuff like that, likely hunched other and heavily breathing in anger or something similar. it's honestly pretty funny.

>>98054158
That's just how it's spelled in NA man. Like the Grey/gray thing or color/colour

>>98054163
Incorrect! As you've been told repeatedly, you can discuss any and all OSR games in the OSR general. That's why it's called that. You just can't discuss non-OSR games there, which is what you're crying about.

>>98054144
>to get into /osrg/ and fuck it up
meds dude
I only open that thread to link to it in the last OSR thread I made and I've made zero posts in like 5 months by now

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>>98054176
You're arguing against Matt Finch.

>>98054175
Buddy, there are plenty of Americans who have made fun of you for consistently misspelling it.

>>98054176
NTA but this is false. It's why I made my own thread as well. I am not gonna argue with you gatekeepers

>>98054180
It wouldn't be the first time, but I'm not sure why you think I'm supposed to care about that in the first place.

>>98054169
>Is it fair to say that their definition is also just really bad?
Yes, it's the same spirit of the AD&D tournament scene from back in the day. The same "PLAY EXACTLY BY THE BOOK OR YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG" crap. the tournament scene died for a reason, the only good thing to come out of it were fun oneshots.
>>98054168
I don't accept your premise, lol. You're someone who goes out of their way to daily troll threads because you can't stand people talking about a game, lmao.

>>98054177
>I only open that thread to link to it in the last OSR thread I made and I've made zero posts in like 5 months by now
That's cool, that's cool, keep it up! Now just stop posting these troll derailment threads as well and you'll be in business!

>>98054183
It is 100% true. You're just malding because the general knows your favorite game isn't an OSR game.

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>>98054191
lol, the only one derailing is you. you come in here to cause trouble. lmao.

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>>98054185
Why in the world do you think anyone should care about your definition, when even Matt Finch explains pretty clearly that you're wrong.

>>98054186
>I can simply declare your premise wrong and it will magically become wrong, problem solved
KEK

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>>98054181
That is not a misspelling in the US. You can Google this. That is the American spelling used in publications. It's also regional names and spellings.

>>98054199
>Matt Finch explains pretty clearly that you're wrong.
lol
lmao, even

>>98054194
>You're just malding because the general knows your favorite game isn't an OSR game.
I mean aren't you the one coming here? the one who feels the need to try and push propaganda and a narrative in order to claim a game "Isn't" OSR? If it wasn't, none of that would be necessary.

>>98054194
Nah, you are welcome to your echo chamber of alternative history

>>98054204
>look at my LLM-hallucinated proof!
This is desperate even by your standards.

>>98054201
you're talking in absolute statements, so i'm refusing to accept them as a premise. simple, lol.

>>98054206
>I mean aren't you the one coming here?
Only because you've mislabeled this an OSR thread. As you've been told repeatedly, all you need to do if you don't want to have these arguments is stop falsely claiming the OSR label. stop pushing your fake definition of the OSR, and simply post threads about the games you want to discuss.

>>98054210
All I can do is point you to facts son, no one can make you accept them.

>>98054207
>reee
>RRREEEE
No but for real, get mad, stay mad, die mad.

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>>98054221
>all you need to do if you don't want to have these arguments is stop falsely claiming the OSR label. stop pushing your fake definition of the OSR, and simply post threads about the games you want to discuss.

>>98054225
Me telling you I don't care about your echo chamber just me being angry son.

>>98054132
I disagree that 2e isn’t OSR, but as I said before I don’t really care about labels, so if calling the thread TSR General or something along those lines keeps the peace, so be it. But I’m not the one making threads, that’s someone else. Maybe next thread he’ll change the name so nACKers leave it alone

>>98054213
>you're talking in absolute statements
No, I'm explaining the definition of a general to you. The point is, it doesn't matter if you claim a thread isn't a general, if it looks like one and functions like one it will be treated as one.

>>98054221
People are not going to make a second-class ghetto just because of your trolling.

Your definition of OSR is contested. If you don't like people using the considerably more popular, accurate, and logical one, then do your best to try and make your general good, instead of just demanding that only your general has a trademark on OSR and everyone must go their to discuss OSR games while adopting your personal definition.

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>>98054236
>son
galldarnit you varmint!
AH ALREADY TOLD YOU THAT YOUR BOUNTY IS "DEAD-OR-ALIVE"

>>98054239
>2e isn’t OSR
That's correct!

>as I said before I don’t really care about labels, so if calling the thread TSR General or something along those lines keeps the peace, so be it
Smart move. A /tsrg/ will get left alone as long as you don't try to push your false definition of the OSR in there. And for proof, it was the last time it existed.

>>98054205

>>98054180

>>98054248
>I have no point, so just attack him!
"YOUR FALLACY IS AD HOMIMEM."

>>98054236
>fake hillbilly tourist from rpgnet/reddit thinks anyone here cares what his opinion is

>>98054246
>People are not going to make a second-class ghetto
If only! But here you are posting these threads over and over.

>Your definition of OSR is contested.
Nah. It's universally accepted except by you, Fishfag. And you know perfectly well that you're only doing this because your months-long chimpout over the /osrg/ OP being clarified didn't work for you.

>>98054252
lol
lmao, even

>>98054259
>It's universally accepted except by you, Fishfag.
Are you saying Fishfag is the guy who made OSRIC?

Wow, your mythology is getting pretty wild.

>>98054239
Nothing makes them leave an opposed OSR thread alone. You must agree with Thier false definition of OSR and never post about OSR outside of Thier echo chamber.

They are waging an eternal jihad they can't win. But so so deep in they think they can, any day now the world will agree with their perceived reality and give up.

>>98054268
>Thier

>>98054268
>They are waging an eternal jihad they can't win. But so so deep in they think they can, any day now the world will agree with their perceived reality and give up.
This really is the reality of things. These threads will continue indefinitely until they stop, and i see that happening in two ways
>1. They have a full blown rage-fit, loudly throw a tantrum and abandon the thread (The more likely of the two to happen)
>2. The Mods step in and issue a permaban after they say or do something particularly heinous or just cause shit for sufficient time for the Mods to go "Alright, enough is enough, GTFO of /tg/."

>>98054277
Yep tis I, your point?

>>98054268
>They are waging an eternal jihad they can't win
Ironic. Weren't you claiming this same exact shit when you kept trying to force 2e into /osrg/? How did that go? And then you claimed that we could never stop you from posting fake /osrg/ OPs and would never win, and what happened with that? But now you're extremely certain there's no way we could possibly outlast you?

>>98054281
>1. They have a full blown rage-fit, loudly throw a tantrum and abandon the thread (The more likely of the two to happen)
>2. The Mods step in and issue a permaban after they say or do something particularly heinous or just cause shit for sufficient time for the Mods to go "Alright, enough is enough, GTFO of /tg/."
Lmao, the level of irony here

>>98054281
I think the issue is, this view of theirs can't exist with opposition. The only place it might be allowed is K&KA, but finch is big there and he doesn't jive with it himself. So who knows.

Anyone talking about the real use of OSR is simply an attack on them. It's cult logic man

>>98054176
are you mentally deficient are you just trying to pretend you don't understand that there are several anons here who disagree with you on what games fall under the OSR category?

what even the fuck is a reason to post this childish nonsense?

>>98054284
I have never tried to force 2e in to osrg. I made one post there pointing out its was a weird belief, as I didn't know about the ongoing jihad.

once it was clear I wasn't welcome so left. That simple

>>98054298
>calls others mentally deficient
>does not know that "you" is a plural pronoun
That being said, yes, there's literally only one of you samefagging. You're very recognizable. That's why we call you Fishfag!

>>98054303
Lol oh yeah, I forgot, you only got here a couple weeks ago but you're still aspergically devoted to fighting your "eternal jihad" for some reason, that's plausible and makes sense.

>>98054239
>if calling the thread TSR General or something along those lines keeps the peace, so be it
Avoiding the discussion of what is or isn't OSR altogether seems like the smart move, and the thread achieves exactly the topic you say you want to talk about.

Do be warned, though, that fishfag will go ass raving mad that your thread is not called "OSR" anymore, so he will again start trying to raise his private army to raid /osrg/, which he will do either explicitly or implicitly by:
1. Starting unprompted discussions about the meaning of OSR to shit up your thread.
2. Throw insane tantrums whenever somebody mentions ACKS in good faith to shit up your thread.
3. If nobody mentions ACKS, mention it first so he can throw an insane tantrum over it to shit up your thread.
It's what he's been doing on /osrg/, /2eg/, /nsrg/, /nusrg/, and /todd/ for YEARS. Wondering how long it'll take you to realise this.

>>98054253
yeah, because youre a literal self-admitted newfag transplant from rpgnet that has been here barely three months.
yall not a real person, yall a subhuman laughing stock, son.

>>98054297
>Anyone talking about the real use of OSR is simply an attack on them. It's cult logic man

This is the unfortunate state of things.
The troll even endorsing /tsrg/ was a bit of a red flag, but when he followed it up by saying he wouldn't flood it unless people used "THE FORBIDDEN DEFINITION" (also known as the definition everyone else uses), it became pretty clear that the only way to actually appease these trolls is to accept their lies regardless of all the evidence against them.

>>98054325
>yall not a real person, yall a subhuman laughing stock, son.
Yeehaw!

>>98054318
No, I only started active posting regularly a few months ago. Dude I just wanted to talk OSR shit and the osrg does not allow that. I am not gonna fight a bunch of losers who want to redefine what they is to post in a single thread.

So fuck em, I'll chat in others and make my own. You are free to stop trolling at any time

>>98054304
>"you"
jesus christ you really are retarded and can't even pick up otherwise obvious context
I give up trying to reason with this one anons
not until he shows proof he has had his head checked

>>98054239
>>98054319
>Do be warned, though, that fishfag will go ass raving mad
Sorry, I should have said fishfag and his plebbitor boyfriend with dyslexia from RPGnet, who has the exact same autistic fixations as he does: >>98054268

>>98054333
>Dude I just wanted to talk OSR shit and the osrg does not allow that.
Yes it does, you can discuss absolutely all OSR shit in /osrg/.

If what you mean is you want to discuss NuSR games or other adjacent stuff you can use /nsrg/. It's very simple. If you were acting in good faith you would have stopped posting fake OSR threads long ago and just gone with one of those two options.

>>98054335
>not until he shows proof he has had his head checked
>t. Unironic Paranoid Schizophrenic

>>98054344
Why do you keep circling back to "Your only option is to accept my personal definition, even if it's so clearly wrong"?

>>98054344
No. You allow a very restricted view. I will leave you to that restrove view. But that is your rather unpopular view of OSR.

I'll remake my thread when it closes (this one isn't mine) and leave you to your echo chamber

>>98054361
>Your only option is to accept the correct definition
That's right! You got it! It's not our fault you were lied to by someone else somewhere else, and it's not our problem either. The best thing you can do now is to accept you were wrong and were told wrong, and learn the true definition.

>>98054371
>But that is your rather unpopular view of OSR.
Nope, it is the only and universal view of OSR, particularly among people who actually play games.

>I'll post a second shitpost thread when mine folds despite this shitpost thread existing already
Good luck with that, dipshit.

>>98054376
>It's not our fault you were lied to by someone else somewhere else, and it's not our problem either.

Buddy, friend, pal, amigo.

Compadre.

You got initiated into the dumbest cult. And you're doing your best to get everyone to fall in step with it, despite all the evidence that contradicts you. You haven't even figured out how to get around the Matt Finch thing.

It's not our fault you were lied to and now are stuck with it because you're that kind of retard. We're so far past caring about trying to convince you or fix your cult-mentality, that your /osrg/ has been left to itself. You can think whatever you want in there, indoctrinate as many poor idiots who fall into it as much as you want.

But you're not going to ever convince this board that your definition is anything more than a really dumb idea pushed by even dumber people.

>>98054417
we dont want to "convince" anybody, we want /osrg/ to be left alone.

>>98054421
And the /osrg/ is left alone. No one posts in there anymore except the ACKS guys.

But, apparently, even just saying that OSR means pre-2000 is an attack on the /osrg/'s fragile echo chamber, which means that the /osrg/'s "war' is against truth itself.

>>98054417
>muh cult
Your frustration is showing, Fishfag! You're repeating your old saws instead of the new stuff!

>>98054417
>But you're not going to ever convince this board that your definition is anything more than a really dumb idea pushed by even dumber people.
It's funny how you think you can trick us into believing that we're fighting some sort of a desperate doomed rearguard action when we keep winning and you've been BTFO again and again and again.

>>98054421
It is left alone. Barely anyone posts there anymore. Everyone is here in these”OSR Threads” flinging shit at each other. You can just go talk in OSRG right now and not have to deal with any of us

>>98054428
>the /osrg/'s "war' is against truth itself
its a children's elfgame, ya fucking goof.
stop acting like some persecuted warrior of light o algo
>>98054442
>It is left alone
good

>>98054439
Let’s be clear about a few things.
The mods erroneously gifted you the /osrg/. Not the people within the /osrg/, the majority of which who have stopped posting in that thread, but the mods stepping in and deleting any efforts to restore the original /osrg/ OP.

They have allowed you to flood and troll without any repercussions. You have, in the current climate, an incredible advantage that, were it flipped, would have resulted in this having been solved months ago with the /osrg/ returned to its open status and your trolling left to just crying “2e/NuSRs are not OSR” whenever people proceeded to discuss those topics.

To the people who can see the others who disagree with you, or even just people who can recognize trolls when they're making absolutely no effort to hide what they are, whether or not you're ultimately doomed is just a question of whether or not there's any lingering faith in the moderation.

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>>98054502
>insane asshurt just spewing forth in torrents

>>98054509
>posts one of his "I lose" images
Thank you for the endorsement.

>>98054520
>"I lose" images
Unbelievable that you still think this is somehow going to work, kek

Then again, I guess you also still believe that you can beat /osrg/ somehow, KEK

>>98054527
I'm not going to beat anything. I don't have to. You're really up against the forces of nature.
You ruining the /osrg/ is just the natural result of you being there. No one had to flood it, no one has to do anything. Your version of the OSR is just naturally unpopular.
People wanting to discuss the full OSR is also just natural, just like people making threads to discuss what they want to discuss.

The only unnatural part is the moderation at the moment, which enables you to also be unnatural.

Even just enforcing the rules against flooding would likely lead to your rapid demise, since threads that allow the actual definition of OSR would just naturally prove more popular.

You're aware of all this. Hence the flooding.

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>>98054421
osrg is left alone, factually

what you want is to have A MONOPOLY ON OPINIONS through [a pathetic attempt at] bullying

fuck you, you don't get to tell me what my opinions should be
though anyone can try convincing me by voicing their arguments, which I asked for
and you either presented retarded arguments I can never agree with in good faith, or plainly refused to present those

and now all that's left to you is childish shit like
>last for ...
posts or whatever kindergarten tricks like
>>98054376
needles to say, I take it that you are never going to produce better arguments so just fuck off

>>98054117
You could also be from the global south, but I don't even bother considering them.

>>98054620
>what you want is to have A MONOPOLY ON OPINIONS through [a pathetic attempt at] bullying

He really comes off as someone with a lot of experience getting bullied as a kid. A whole lot of "I know this got under my skin, I bet it will get under theirs" logic that leaves him throwing insults that don't really fit and otherwise acting like a child.

>>98054297
>I think the issue is, this view of theirs can't exist with opposition.
This is the problem that has been held by both fish and the Brosr trolling. Neither of them could let go and no go into a thread they dislike and here we are.

>>98054681
Don't even bother trying to equate the sides or pretend that both are just two sides of the same coin. The /osrg/ has been left to itself, while the open OSR discussions have been routinely flooded.

And, at the core of all this is that the BrOSR trolls are pathological liars who need to fight as hard as they can to try and defend their lies, lies that are fundamentally flawed. The open OSR discussions accept that people can have different opinions on what OSR means, while the BrOSR deny it to the point where they need to say everyone who has a different opinion is just one person, a lie so strange that it's become part of their dogma that the first game they accept as OSR was actually made by the one person who disagrees with them.

>>98054725
>fishfag repeating the same autistic rant for the thousandth time

>>98054770
If we accept the BrOSR's troll statements as true,
>>98054259
Only their fishfag believes 2e is OSR, and since Matt Finch explicitly says 2e is old school,
>>98054180
that means the game the BrOSR say is the first OSR game was actually made by their fishfag.

>>98054681
It's not just two people, the timezones don't match that, but it is two sides

>>98054095
Here's my read on it:
These guys are making some weird attempt at "pushing the OSR Overton Window". They're trying to have somewhere on the public internet with a little grognard Potemkin village that they can point to as an example of "TRVEOSR", that operates according to their ahistorical 2e-excluding definition of OSR. These guys want to be able to go "You want to learn about the Real OSR, and not this nu-tranny bullshit? Check out /osrg/ on 4chan," rather than just circlejerking on Discord and their blogs.

Presumably the hope is that when newfags wander in and ask what the OSR is, they can talk about Gygaxian D&D and its spirit, OSR is only AD&D 1e, OD&D, and B/X, ACKS, etc etc etc. Then the newfags wander away with this understanding in mind, none the wiser, or, hey,they even might stick around to build a community of 2e-free OSR fans! This isn't what actually happened, instead their thread is slower than ever with no OC, and they just cope with "Ackchully it's comfier this way."

And, as of fall of last year, they succeeded at building their Potemkin village! Despite the protest of people in the thread (triviably easy to check in the archives), they were able to create a false consensus and change the /osrg/'s OP to explicitly exclude 2e, whereas before it was merely just outside of the era the thread was more commonly focused on. I think they figured there would be some pushback, but they'd just wait it out, get some trolling in, and then finally have their TRVEOSR to gradually shift people's understanding of the OSR to their own. Scapegoating is useful to this sort of scheme because it allows the creation of an overarching other to justify their shit behavior all over the board and group together everyone who disagrees with them. Hence the creation of Fishfag, the never-sleeping eternal samefag who is behind everyone who pushes back against the /osrg/'s behavior.

>>98054095
>>98054856
Here's where I think they went wrong in their:
1. They didn't expect how dedicated that one autist against them would be.
There is kind of a Fishfag, as there does seem to be one particularly dedicated (probably autistic) poster who fucking HATES them. It does seem like he's been around since before the /osrg/'s OP change and has consistently pushed back against the current crop of /osrg/ posters when they tried to redefine the OSR to exclude 2e. I think he's the guy that's constantly monologuing and armchair generaling in these threads about the looming doom for /osrg/ and the ACKSfags. Say what you will about the guy, he's dedicated. Mostly because of him, the /osrg/-squatters have had to spend the past half year trying to troll him off the board in an attempt to get free reign over their general. This has not worked, it only made him more autistically angry and dedicated. The constant flame war has drawn a lot of attention to them, so now instead of people getting into old school D&D blundering into the /osrg/ to get brought into the fold, I get the sense most fa/tg/uys just think OSR fans are angry retards obsessed with definitional minutae. I think there would have been pushback eventually, but it would have taken significantly longer to build up were it not for this autist.

>>98054856
>They're trying to have somewhere on the public internet with a little grognard Potemkin village
And this self-isolation bothers you...why?

>>98054095
>>98054863
2. 4chan has no real influence on RPG culture at this point
We are currently posting on one of the slower boards of a gradually dying website. This got especially bad since the hack. During the late aughts and through the 2010's, /tg/ could be said to be actually influential on broader RPG culture, but that kind of died with Covid. Even if the current crop of /osrg/ posters are successful in permanently setting up shop in the general, nobody will give a shit because nobody really cares about /tg/ anymore. RPG fan culture isn't even centered on Reddit anymore like they sperg about, it's more centered in Zoomer platforms like Discord, TikTok, and Youtube. If they wanted to try to popularize a different definition for the OSR, then they'd be better suited evangelizing on Discord or making TikTok/Youtube accounts. Trouble with these strategies (other than lacking the charisma to succeed on video platforms) is that means you have a permanent identity associated with your argument, that people can then counter argue against or challenge the credibility of. If you're not just some random anon, eventually some guy with way more OSR/grognard cred than you is going to roll up and say "What the fuck are you talking about, of course 2e is OSR." Also 4chan has a lax enough mod team that they can just get away with trolling anyone who disagrees with them. I get why they went with 4chan for this endeavour, I just think it was always kind of doomed to failure.

Eventually posts were going to notice, get pissed off, and push back, fa/tg/uys aren't retarded. It just probably would have taken a couple years without the constant flame war.

So yeah, that's what I think their "agenda" is.

>>98054792
>Matt Finch said something once
Yeah he also said that races are racist and that rulings over rules. He's generally wrong about many things.

>>98054856
>>98054863
>>98054872
>mucho texto

>>98054863
>There is kind of a Fishfag, as there does seem to be one particularly dedicated (probably autistic) poster who fucking HATES them. It does seem like he's been around since before the /osrg/'s OP change and has consistently pushed back against the current crop of /osrg/ posters when they tried to redefine the OSR to exclude 2e. I think he's the guy that's constantly monologuing and armchair generaling in these threads about the looming doom for /osrg/ and the ACKSfags. Say what you will about the guy, he's dedicated.

No, that's just a lie these guys have been trying to push from the get go. I've seen them throw it around at every post, probably in the hope that a human like you, who naturally tries to see patterns as just an instinctual behavior, will begin to assume that maybe, just maybe, there's an ounce of truth to what they're saying.

All the long-winded posts? One fishfag. All the short, curt posts? Another fishfag. All the posts of this type or another? Perhaps a new fishfag.

Certainly, some of the posts do come from repeat individuals, and you should trust your own innate ability to see patterns, but you certainly shouldn't be influenced by people who've been throwing about lies with no evidence but a strong motivation to make their opposition seem smaller than it is while making themselves seem larger.

To genuine 2e fans who are not fishfag.

Do you still not see how autistically fixated fishfag is, repeating the exact same rants over and over again, reusing even the same rant multiple times within the same thread?

Are you still in denial that he exists?

>>98054863
>when they tried to redefine the OSR to exclude 2e
You've been lied to, and you've gobbled it up.

The /osrg/ thread has can saying "first decade" for 800 threads. The recent rewording just made its meaning clear because there was one troll who was constantly equivocating on how long a decade is to claim that somehow it must include 2e.

Check for yourself on 4plebs:
https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/search/subject/osrg/text/first%20decade/
Look right at the top. 800 threads. EIGHT HUNDRED. How is that a "recent change"?

>>98054975
>has can saying
Has BEEN saying
t. phonefag

>>98054856
>These guys want to be able to go "You want to learn about the Real OSR, and not this nu-tranny bullshit? Check out /osrg/ on 4chan," rather than just circlejerking on Discord and their blogs.
That's pretty obvious, but also pretty hilarious that they actually think any board or even thread on 4chan could reach a natural homogeneous status about anything even mildly controversial or debatable.

It's like the guys who show up to /pol/ thinking it's an alt-right haven, when it's just trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls on every side of every spectrum.

>>98054864
A Potemkin village isn't an isolated settlement, it's
a false settlement with the appearance of a real one.

As for why it bothers, it's because I want to talk about retroclones and 2e on 4chan in a decently active thread without trolls fucking it up. These threads inevitably devolve into fights between the autist (Fishfag Prime) and the guys who took over /osrg/. I think they're both at fault, but, after following these threads for a couple months and doing my own research, I've found the /osrg/'s arguments for their definition of the OSR highly suspect. As a result, I've pretty much fallen in with Fishfag Prime by default.

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>>98054994
Being isolated isnt exlcusicve to your example. Why does /osrg/ having a definition you dont like bother you so much?
Do you do this in real life, screeching about how things aren't names what you want them to be?

>>98054994
>I've found the /osrg/'s arguments for their definition of the OSR highly suspect
>I need objective proof to start considering that these trolls might just be lying about that thing, but I'll still believe their claims about things with no evidence

I guess this world has all sorts of folks.

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>>98055000
Further reminder:

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>>98055023
That's pretty funny you bring that up, because that poll had the admin switch a bunch of the "Yes" votes over to "No" just to make that screenshot.
I know this because I was one of the yes votes and had my vote switched, which gave it a red X.

>>98054725
I see how fish earned it, but the ACKS stuff is getting obnoxious at this point too.
The deflection about the finch primer was a good example.

>>98055053
I dont understand what this image means, but I also dont believe you.

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>>98055053
Ha, twins, I also have one of those screenshots! I'm the one labeled "lol", you can tell it's me because of the edit pencil next to it. From what I saw, all the ones with X's on the left and the checkboxes on the votes that were changed by the guy who made the poll after the fact. Mine is the opposite because I changed mine back before taking the screenshot.

>>98055068
It means that originally the vote was actually leaning in the Yes direction, but then the admin who made the poll switched a bunch of votes in order to pretend that it was actually heavily No.

That screen shot was with 20 replies, and originally it was 12 yes, 8 no. But, by switching 5 of the yes's, including mine with the name "How is this in Question?", the vote switched to 7 no, 13 yes at the time I took the screenshot.

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>>98055089
I also took another screenshot later on, and you can see way more votes where yes votes were replaced with no's. By my math, the actual vote for "Is 2e on-topic for the /osrg/?", before the poll operator stuffed the ballot, is 15 Yes, 11 No. So a majority saying 2e is allowed.

Not that these results really mean anything, this sort of poll is hilariously easy to make multiple votes on. However, the blatant vote editing does show just how willing the guys in /osrg/ are willing to just openly lie about the popularity of their position.

>>98055094
>>98055053
>>98055089
Holy cope. You're a reddit tranny. Face it.

>>98055089
They might have been trying to rely on the idea that 4chan doesn't have a memory.
One of the oldest adages about 4chan is how it doesn't forget.

>>98055122
>>98055089
>>98055053
this looks like you just achanged some HTML to make it look altered

>>98055123
...not really the best response to getting caught red-handed.

>>98055123
>>98055155
I came from the front page to laugh at you.

>>98055159
>I came from the front page
...what?

>>98055123
Please keep spamming buzzwords instead of actual counterarguments, it only makes me more erect.

>>98055155
This looks like you hoping to find any way to save your skin after getting caught in a lie.

>>98055167
not really, I didnt make it

>>98054975
Nah, I've seen the thread where the discussion on specifying no 2e in the OP was made. The post where it was suggested (https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96775865/#q96778252) has tons of replies disagreeing with the proposal.

You can say it's all one guy samefagging, but I'm disclined to believe you because I saw one of you guys change my fucking vote (see >>98055089
) in a poll posted in /osrg/. This tells me that at least some of the guys who currently make up /osrg/ are extremely willing to lie in order to present a false consensus.

>>98054975
>How is that a "recent change"?
As can be seen from simply checking "oldest first" on your own search, that only goes back to 2019. It may not be "recent", but it is still quite far from demonstrating originalism.

>>98055194
Everything they do really is some form of deceit.

>>98055123
I think you're quite fortunate you're not dealing with actual Redditors.

They outnumber us significantly. Not only that, they have a much stronger sense of groupthink. Throw in that they hate ACKS more than anyone here probably could.

Be happy you're just dealing with individuals on 4chan.

>>98055207
okay, so why change something that was ratified almost a decade ago?

>>98055281
There's very little argument that /osrg/ should change back, only that /osrg/ posters should stop pushing their definition of "OSR" into every thread on the board.

>>98055298
4chan will post on 4chan. Complaining will not change this.

>>98054856
>>98054863
yeah, this pretty much sums it up

>>98055281
>ratified
... do you have any idea how 4chan works?
Also, the "first decade" bit was only broadly encouraged, and how a game was tonally aligned with early D&D is also an incredibly subjective article of discussion.

Meanwhile, here's the first line.
>Welcome to the Old School Renaissance General, the thread dedicated to TSR-era D&D, derived systems, and compatible content.

That means 2e as a TSR-era D&D,
a derrived system from other TSR-era D&Ds,
AND with compatible content.
That's 3-for-3.

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>>98054864
>self-isolation
>flooding any other thread with OSR in its name

>>98055306
>I have no free will, I am forced by circumstances to troll threads with similar topics to my own because I'm a shithead automaton
Complaining and trolling also won't make the rest of us stop pushing back against you.

>>98055319
>... do you have any idea how 4chan works?
obviously, bozo. by "ratified" I mean "was formally changed without upset, and consensually accepted".
>>98055325
Go back to whatever site you're from.

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>>98054975
let's see how your claim holds up using your own link
current OP
>Welcome to the Old School Renaissance General, the thread dedicated to first-decade, Gygaxian D&D, its faithful modern clones, and content created for use with them. Later editions (2e and newer) should be discussed elsewhere.
page 13 lucky number - 2023
>Welcome to the Old School Renaissance General, the thread dedicated to TSR-era D&D, derived systems, and compatible content.
>Broadly, OSR games encourage a tonal and mechanical fidelity to Dungeons & Dragons as played in the game's first decade—less emphasis on linear adventures and overarching meta-plots and a greater emphasis on player agency.

LOL
what a fucking lying piece of shit you are

>>98055281
I don't think anyone cared about the OP enough to argue about it, because no one predicted that anyone would try to use it as an excuse to attempt to remove several games from the general, especially considering the text as it was didn't exclude those games and those games continued to be discussed in the general.

>>98055354
a detail for clarity
>current OP
meant
>vs current OP

>>98055194
Damn
not that I'm surprised

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>>98055346
> formally changed
I think you mean "changed". Nothing formal about it, not even any declaration or discussion, just someone changed it and no one cared enough to bother getting into specifics because it was just broadly speaking anyway.

Also, here's a post from that first 2019 "first decade" thread that is recommending 2e and even explicitly calls it old-school, and no one was upset about it, so I guess we can say it was consensually accepted as being included in the scope of the new OP.
https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/65034464/#q65039813

I think the irony inherent in almost all discussions of the OSR degenerating into shit-flinging over what counts as OSR is pretty rich. Just start separate threads like we did in days of old instead of fighting for one general for some insane reason.

>>98054559
>You're really up against the forces of nature.
lmaoooooo this kanigga has the most grandiose self image possible

>>98054620
>what you want is to have A MONOPOLY ON OPINIONS
It's not a matter of opinion, retard. OSR is 1974-1983 D&D and close clones. That's a matter of fact, that you keep trying to slide.

>>98054665
>A whole lot of "I know this got under my skin, I bet it will get under theirs" logic that leaves him throwing insults that don't really fit and otherwise acting like a child.
>no u
>again

>>98055340
Sounds like a forever war.

>>98055426
That's literally what we've been trying to do. Most of the 2e fans are fine /osrg/ staying what it currently is, they still come in here to shit up any thread with "OSR" in the title.

We're pointing out the changes in /osrg/'s OP not to try reclaim OSRael, but to point out how flawed their arguments are.

>>98055438
Declaring something is a fact and expecting everyone is just forced to accept it is not how facts work,

>>98055426
Apparently this is impossible. Some people here would rather spend their time arguing then just hanging out in their own threads

>>98055438
You have no proof other than your own declarations..

>>98055451
Generals were a terrible idea because they defeat the point of having threads in the first place, and generals inevitably degenerate into discussion of and policing of the general itself rather than discussing the thread topic. What you guys want is called a chat room and they're easy and free to set up.

>>98055438
I'd love to see a source for this definition that isn't just those two blog posts by Melan and that literally who blogger starting from a dubious prior. Thanks!

>>98055438
Not even Matt Finch thinks that.

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>>98055438
stfu retard, a fact needs to be verifiable
so that's just your opinion, which ironically enough is a verifiable fact, because so many people in the hobby not only disagree but do and would find your arguments not convincing

>>98054725
>The /osrg/ has been left to itself
Lmao, Fishfag trolled it for literally years trying to force himself in.

>>98054856
>triviably
kek
yeah, it's eaby

>>98055516
Thier y'all go fishing for replies again huh son

>>98054856
>>98054863
>>98054872
>local definitely not schizo writes 5000-character screed about personal conspiracy theory
Very normal. Extremely not obsessed with /osrg/.

>>98055194
>The post where it was suggested has tons of replies disagreeing with the proposal.
Tons of replies from the same person, yes. If you can't tell they're all the same guy, assmangled that he's about to lose what he retardedly believes is an opening to rules lawyer the OP text, you have whatever the textual equivalent of face blindness is.

Why do you think it is that the actual pastebin maintainer went with the change right away, as soon as the new text had been hammered out to general satisfaction?

>>98055319
...Yeah, this guy, basically. See, he pull this exact illiterate horseshit probably a hundred times without exaggeration in /osrg/. Each time a unified chorus told him to fuck off and shut up.

>>98055298
Why should you be allowed to push your fake revisionist definition on the rest of the board unchallenged? I don't see a global or /tg/ rule that people aren't allowed to challenge you when you lie. Either we should shut up about OSR and its definition outside /osrg/ and then you should too, or else you'll simply have to accept that whenever you push lies about what OSR means, someone will object. You're not allowed a private echo chamber.

>>98055426
>Just start separate threads like we did in days of old instead of fighting for one general for some insane reason.
We've told these faggots a million times to just start a /2eg/ if they want to discuss 2e, but they're fixated on trying to create a rival OSR general. You're preaching to the choir on one side and a ditch full of shrieking schizo hogs on the other.

>>98055438
>five asshurt seething replies literally 1-2 minutes apart
Holy samefag, Fishman!

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>>98055564
>fake revisionist definition
rewind just a couple of years back
>TSR ERA D&D
L M A O
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>>98055564
>Why should you be allowed to push your fake revisionist definition on the rest of the board unchallenged?
That's a good question, but try directing it at yourself.

You've been really struggling with why we should be listening to your definition and not someone like Matt Finch's.

>>98055521
Yee haw git along li'l dogies, straight to the Hamburger Thiergarten! Y'all rootin' tootin' fish-smookin' podners gotta git fishin' y'hear I ain't a newfag no sirree bob

>>98055581
even less than a minute apart! can you imagine?
WOW much samefagging

>>98055564
>Why should you be allowed to push your fake revisionist definition on the rest of the board unchallenged?
It's yours that's revisionist, DEMONSTRABLY, per the people who actually make OSR games disagreeing with you and the early years of OSR general threads on 4chan having no such bugbear. At literally no point has your narrowing been simply accepted, it has ALWAYS been opposed as a LATE-COMER to the board's OSR culture attempting to exclude those previously accepted.

>>98055448
It is and it's a war mostly in the minds of the osrg trolls.

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>>98055023
>>98055053
>>98055089

>>98055604
lmao look at all this garrulous seething, it looks exactly like in that thread where the clarification was proposed
precisely the same nervous energy
>>96796812 is a great post from that thread incidentally, cracked me up

>>98053250
Oh, but it's just a small, vocal minority that wants to change the OP to exclude ACKS.
We can't allow that, they don't speak for everyone. In fact we should talk about ACKS more to make sure they know their trolling isn't welcome in our wholesome, Christian thread and if necessary start arguments over it constantly.
For several years.

It's pretty clear at lest one mod is adding the trolls. They are far too bold and folks get earned for reporting thier self admitted trolling

>>98055728
>thier

>>98055564
So, no actual answers to why people shouldn't be allowed to openly disagree with your lies, huh?

>>98055728
>lest
>adding
>earned
>thier
please learn english properly, nogames ditch shitter

>>98055547
>completely avoids addressing why I don't trust your evaluation of the situation
Funny how everytime some gives you an argument you can't squirm out of, you avoid addressing it entirely.

>Why do you think it is that the actual pastebin maintainer went with the change right away
Because he's part of the group that keeps trolling other threads? That doesn't actually prove anything. I haven't said anything about you guys being newfags, I said you guys are dedicated to presenting a revisionist history.

>>98055789
>I said you guys are dedicated to presenting a revisionist history.
>t. Guy who's frothing at the mouth to sell a revisionist history

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>>98055516
>>98055743
>>98055772

>>98055794
>Continues to fail to address the direct evidence posted of /osrg/ trying to create a false consensus

>>98055833
>direct evidence posted of /osrg/ trying to create a false consensus
lmao
There's nothing of the sort, the consensus is real and durable. The fact that you're assmad about it is delightful but not germane.

>>98055843
Please provide proof of this very real and durable consensus then.

>>98055843
NTA, but wanna gamble on that? There's actually a way we could test whether people prefer your new OP or one that maintains a semblance of the original context of what OSR means.

>>98055661
Okay, corncob, doesn't matter that you don't accept it, it's still you who is owned.

>>98055856
>Please provide proof of this very real and durable consensus then.
The OP change went through completely smoothly with total agreement and has stayed without any problem.