Chaos edition>Pre-painted Terrain:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgl0MBTWV3I>Box Reveal:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/x2allqya/warhammer-40000-armageddon-whats-in-the-box/>Community Links:https://www.warhammer-community.com/https://www.unitcrunch.comhttps://www.newrecruit.euhttps://wahapedia.ruhttps://40k.gallery/>3rd Party Models Pastebin:https://pastebin.com/Q33bkBUh >Alternative rules:https://www.starbreach.com/homehttps://nolimitswargames.wordpress.com/>Pre 10th Torrent:Info hash: d91d8b9daa9c5dc9105fc0ec09812cbc17a752b5>10th Edition Rules:https://gofile.io/d/9LvQTLhttps://mega.nz/folder/Em0Rmb7I#4GR-B7y4cu5nCB5QziXM4A>How to Make Wargames Terrain (2e 2003)https://gofile.io/d/s99zDV>Inferno! Magazine complete collection (1997-2004)https://archive.org/download/Inferno30/Inferno30_archive.torrent>Warhammer Monthly complete collection (1989-2004)https://archive.org/download/WarhammerMonthly0502001BlackLibrary62pminutemenAbaddonblackLibrary/WarhammerMonthly0502001BlackLibrary62pminutemenAbaddonblackLibrary_archive.torrent>Games Workshop/Citadel Miniatures painting guides (1989-2016)https://archive.org/download/games-workshop-painting-guides/games-workshop-painting-guides_archive.torrent>Previous thread:>>98052088>Thread Question:Which is your favourtite Chaos daemon?
destiny exo lore is just necron biotransference
I like grots (and squigs!)
I don't like
>>98055942The daemon prince Lorgar
>lore is what sells modelsSo then why do people buy tau
LET CHAOS IDOLS WARM THIS THREAD'S HEART!
>>98055942>TQ
>>98055947Necrons are cool and Destiny is gay however
>>98055942The one and only succesful couple of all the WH settings.
>>98055956can you go back to arguing with secondaries on twitter
>>98055956Some people want cool mechsSome people have consumed too much blueberry pornSome people want to play as the good guys
>>98055947Destiny can fuck off.Same with Votann.
>>98055956i can't believe this when primaris and imperium in general is so succesful.
>>98055970>good guysLol, lmao even
>>98055947Can you just become an Legend already?
>>98055970>Good guysSo... Space Marines? Imperial Guard? Those are your "Good" guys.
Is the Black Legion just Chaos' equivalent to Deathwatch?
Don't forget the best part of the official Warhammer Q&A today>who is the next loyalist primarch to return?>they're all dead
>>98055993>they are all deadwhy gw didnt add for now?
>>98055970>good guys6/10 bait, you got me to reply
James here, soon I will commercialize pre painted models for all of you, my lazy customers. Isn't this a great idea?
>>98055988No, not even close, where did you even get that idea from?
>Wargear points coming backI will buy some of your swanky new space wolves, even if a 1k list is like 50 marines now for some reason.
>>98055988Black Legion= Ultramarines
>>98055981i'm not destinyfag, i was watching a lore video while building a model the narrator started making it about tranny bullshit
>>98056010wait, I just got home from workis this true or are you fucking with me?
>>98056007They seem to be made up of volunteers from other legions. I'm moving over to CSM from Deathwatch so I was looking for something similar. >>98056012They're the main guys? I thought Word Bearers were the face of Chaos and the Ultramarines' rivals.
>>98056018Is true, though not everything will be pointed
>>98056006>James entertaining concept of selling prepainted terrain>the bad 40k table terrain got this badLads how do we restore our lost izzat from this?
>>98055988kind of yeah>>98056012not at all
>>98055993>all dead until gw wants moneyTo sell toys bros.
>>98055942did they day anything about psychic changes?
>>98056034We should devote ourselves to building really nice terrain.
>>98056022Word bearers are not but they should be.
I like orks :D got all the characters and scenery primed, so now all I got to do is paint them.
>>98055993You really think that is true?If James ever need fast money he is willing to bring both Curze and Sanguinius back.
>>98056045Gimme the best terrain speed painting tutorials you can link.I am going to 3d print and bad prints will hopefully be still usable as rubble.
>>98056022>volunteerssometimes, but abaddon and his generals have also been known to shanghai other legion or warlords forces, worlds, ships or facilities kind of against their wishes and press them into the black legions service, and nobody can really stand up to him since abaddon has almost complete hegemony over CSM. as much as people meme on him for being a jobber he is legitimately one of the biggest threats in the galaxy and exerts a massive amount of influence and power
>>98056034People will not make better terrain and i can see the corpos making the prepainted models, is the age we live in.
>>98056018Not really, only a few things are getting wargear with points costs, like main guns on tanks.
>>98056052Abandon is without a single doubt the most powerful and influential character in all CSM
>>98056054To think the bad 40k table terrain meme got so popular and hurt the izzat of the gw executives this much.Did gw ever address this problem of bad terrain like how they wanted to address greytide by having rules grant points to “tournament ready” paintjobs?
>>98056022Them being a hodgepodge of different legions is where the similarities end desu, but if that’s the only reason you like deathwatch, then black legion is perfect for you (unless you just make your own melting pot warband, so you don’t have to paint another black armored space marine army and you can make their lore closer to deathwatch).
>yfw someone gift you a 40k box for free
>>98056063Yeah and he SUCKS and is LAME and GAY
>>98056052I always thought that the black legion should fragment post cadia buck breaking.So the word bearers could be the new face of the csm as Abby runs around showing why nobody leaves the black legion without his approval.
>Making /yourdudes/ and painting them up is like 90% the gun of war gaming>People would rarther james do it for themI can see why people keep calling generic marine "ultramarines" all the time
>>98056072what's the expresion on bald guy trying to convey?
>>98056076>polish happy
>>98056075TikTok times, frend
What pokemon type each faction is.
>>98056072>henry cavill is PROTECTING THE LORE by REFUSING to acknowledge female custodes!>cavill in reality, accepting female custodes
>>98056076>his smile and optimism: gone
>>98056072The Egyptian guy from pic related will be my reaction.I hope pic related can be meme edited to be different warhammer boxes.I can’t do much photoshop on a phone.My fingers are too stubby as they are to type alone.
>>98056083shouldn't space wolves be in Dark + Ice?
>>98056085I mean it would be rude if he didn’t.
>>98056085A fan coming up to give you a fucking $80 box of plastic would clearly be excited, just rejecting him because he handed you the wrong plastic would be a cunt moveYou would know this if you were not autistic
>>98056085It has a dread and tank in it
>>98056085Henry knows that he can head swap the character.
>>98056085>NOOOOOO THIS BOX HAS FEMALES>*BREAKS THE BOX AND THE FAN FACE*Touch grass.
>>98056043Psychic weapons will ignore hit/wound roll modifiers.
>>98056089Why would they?
>>98056083Votan and GSC not being at least part rock or ground feels weird with all the tunneling and shit they do.
>>98055964Commisar Cain and Inquisitor Vail were a pretty cute couple. And maybe in another galaxy, Grayfax and Celestine could hold hands.
>>98056100Because space wolves are the highest melanated chapter.
>>98056006>more retard paypigs will fund xenos kits GW can make as prestige projects specifically designed to cater to meOkay, that's fine I guess.
>>98056095you can also just give a helmet but its true that he likely has 200 heads that would fit
>>98056095the character and half the custodes in the box have female bodies
>The Tau care about innocent lives and will strive to protect them>Their endgame is coexistence and peace between all the races of the galaxy under their guidance>(picture related)It's really puzzling why people argue that the Tau are bad guys on the same level as the Imperium and other 40K factions.
>>98056083Marines generic should be normalGSC should be bug/groundGray Knights should be steel/psychic
>>98056072Which faction would Henry play for real?
>>98056052>>98056069I've always liked Abaddon from a distance (his sword is sweet), I just admittedly didn't know much about him. But them having a hodgepodge in their makeup is what I am looking for, so thanks.
>30k custodes will be the models going forward in 40kOHNONONONO
>>98056127because you cherry picked one of the good guy Tau? what do you think if an ethereal showed up, put a gun in his hand and said "execute every child here as a show of power". and if you think the Tau wouldnt do that, you dont know the Tau.Same with 40k, there are plenty of not evil people in the Imperium, that doesnt mean the Imperium itself isnt a horrific brutal institution that is a plague on the galaxy.
>>98056127>this fragment of devious lore sustains my headcanon>therefore tau are le bad!!!truly schizophrenic behaviour
>>98056121knife
>>98056052The fuck are you talking about? The new Iron Warrior book shows how the Black Legion recruits. Champions and entire warbands have to fight their way through a gauntlet of daemon worlds. They must resist the temptations of the Chaos Gods and destroy their daemonic champions. Once they reach the finish line, they have to swear complete loyalty to Abaddon and the Long War.
>>98056157Sounds like it's better to be with the black legion then for them.
>>98055959what year is this from, 2003?
What are space marine dental hygiene practices like among the different chapters? How many hundred years of service do their dentures last?
>>98056010but will we be able to field whatever numbers we want so if I have 4 guys I can field 4 even if the current unit is 6.
>>98056157> They must resist the temptations of the Chaos Gods >legion most famous for including members fully devoted to other chaos gods and their demonic championsah yes, the new iron warriors book must be the final word in how black legion operates
>>98056141It’ll be lame if it was only the Custodes and the other Imperium factions don’t get their old shit. Though if they put Legends units in Codex’s (to reflect them showing up in the app when they release) I would be satisfied with that.
>>98056171I remember when that strip was freshly posted on TSOALR.
>>98056142????>put a gun in his hand and said "execute every child here as a show of power". and if you think the Tau wouldnt do that, you dont know the Tau.The exact scenario forms the story of the Tau campaign in Gladius.A fourth sphere ethereal told the Tau forces to wipe out the humans and the auxiliaries. The Tau chief commander told the Ethereal to fuck off and staged a rebellion against him that split half the Tau forces into civil war.The same storyline is repeated in other fourth sphere lore. An ethereal giving orders to do bad stuff will be met with resistence.
>>98056022>They seem to be made up of volunteers from other legions. I'm moving over to CSM from Deathwatch so I was looking for something similar.>>98056136Red Corsairs are lorefully supposed to be the Deathwatch of chaos.Black Legiom is like a reverse ultramarines, where most chapters are ultramarine seed while the BL absorbs random warbands who got tired of their parent legion screwing around on rape planet or angry plant or whatever.
>>98056075You can do your own custom chapter, it's a big draw but not everyone wants to. Some just fall in love with specific chapters or legions. That's when people just make custom units and steal named character's stats (like Cypher).
>>98055984>Space Marines?Evil.> Imperial Guard?Fodder NPCs.Try again?
>>98056157sounds like nu40k lore raping trash
>>98056179what was the other 40k webcomic that stopped years ago, i remember it having a similar look to the order of the stick.one of my favourties of there's was the Tau std jokes when they were friends with everyone on the 6th ed allies chart.
>>98056177Indeed, it is. Also, the 10th ED CSM codex, which features 4-5 Black Legion characters spread across the book, each with a general theme of not caring about Chaos and being loyal to Abaddon above all.Even the Black Legion Dark Apostle in the codex is said to be more loyal to Abaddon than Chaos.READ.
>>98056174The Emperor's whitest smile.
>>98056195That's so gay, even fucking ADB the hack had god aligned characters in his black legion book.
Why, unlike Archie, Abaddon seems weaker and struggling against big 4 even when he is trying his best to control all Chaos?
>>98056203Archaon is a demigod, a semi-divine being.Abaddon is a mere mortal who refuses to abandon his humanity.
>>98056203Abaddon is a loser.Archaon already won.Simple as.
>>98056195>Petty warlord promotes sycophants Shocker
>>98055993RUSS IS DEAD!
>>98056212>recruits and elevates those who share his drive and goalsMakes sense. Why would you recruit people who are more prone to sabotage your endeavors with their god slave behavior?
>>98056210>already killed one setting>is about to just fucking do it againHonestly how the fuck is abby even supposed to compete?
Dark Eldar refresh is coming. I can feel it.
>>98056220In your anus?
>>98055970>good guysWe’re not talking about craft world Eldar though?
>>98056195you're a ball snot gobbling queer if you buy any of that nulore they're trying to push. corposlop the lot of it
>>98056219>is about to just fucking do it againNot really. Sigmar and Archaon will have a final fight, but the outcome is unknown, with each side claiming victory. The only thing certain is that Sigmar's dream will come to pass. The Mortal Realms will merge into a new world. Archaon and Sigmar will both disappear afterward.
>>98056230How is that slop? There's more diversity in motivation and background for the fans to explore as opposed to the cartoon villain writing of older editions.
>>98056233shut the fuck up u/shaskais
>>98055993>Lorgar won against CoraxWord Bearers rise up, we Bird Wearers tonight
I have got a few Foetid Blight-drone kits here on my desk, what's the preferred set up for them, mowers or launchers or a mix of the two?
>>98056238Lorgar saw that Corax was bullying his sons and was having none of it, Lorgar #1 Dad!
RETVRN and play 3rd11th cannot hurt you
>>98056131Normal marines feels wrong if Guard is also normal.
>>98056252They are both normies and vanilla
>>98056248Bas3d
>>98056244I watched my friends get aboslutly mauled by by blight launcher bloat drones at a the top table of a local doubles tourney, so if you list needs some long range power that's a good bet.
>>98056248ngl, i'm much more positive about 11th than i am about 10th, so i'll give it a go first then make up my mind, and if i don't like it i'll go back to playing heresy and legion.
>>98056200do you notice every common denominator there? Lords. Abaddon's army of middle managers might be sharing his "no koolaid" stance but they can't control everyone under them to not sell their souls so you still have god-devoted troops in BL
>>98056154so you aren't against chopping off tits?
I started a rhino model project to fit my dark commune and mutant cultists as kind of a corrupt noble's wagon, but I realized that accursed cultists cannot ride in a rhino and the model count would put it at 13 models. Would it still be lame or broken to run it like this in games? Would i be a dick for asking my opponents? I just really like the idea I had in my head for it and i don't want to feel like I wasted work.
so how good is the blaneblade detachment
>>98056271Probably shit but I want to play it anyways
>>98056263But even his lords that under him are also god aligned.Hell, in gathering storm there was a khorne pledge Chaos lord that commanded Abby's fleets, and after he decimated the cadian fleet he ascended to Daemon hood.Plus you these god aligned dudes in his inner circle from black legion novel.
>>98056195It’s lame that you have a Chaos faction that’s TOTALLY not into Chaos guys. It just seems like a cop out. The Iron Warriors loving Chaos cause demons sometimes make good batteries even if it pisses the gods off and you also get to literally become one with your weapons is a much better way to “subvert” serving the dark powers.
>>98056285None of these guys were loyal to the Chaos Gods. And for fuck sake, there isa w hole novel called "FALL OF CADIA" by Robort Rath that shows the story of the character you are referring to. Abaddon knew that he was compromised and was sabotaging the invasion of Cadia, so he got rid of him and replaced the master of the hounds with someone loyal.Why are you arguing about stuff you know nothing about?
>>98056083Nids are more than just bugs. They should be Bug + Dragon
>>98056288Aside from the Black Legion and the Night Lords, you have many different flavors of god cucks to play with. It's like complaining that one specific flavor of ice cream exists.
>>98056215It was a lame attempt at some dry humor and the announcer will probably be reprimanded for it.
>>98056314or ya know, you could buy actual D&D dragon models for 20 bucks off amazon>though daemons fit the theme better rules-wise
>>98056310>novel called "FALL OF CADIA"I only read the campaign books.>Why are you arguing about stuff you know nothing about?because fluff is fun to argue about it and it's the best way to learn.
>>98056323What the hell are you talking about? How does that relate to pokemon?
Took a crack at the cool one. Most armies are overall cool, with some not my style.But for some:>Custards are lore OP and should at best be imperial agents-type singleton allies.>GSC has cool models but the play-to-lose faction goal puts me off even though the idea of a death cult is still nifty>BTs feel like GW trying to sell Sisters to the Marine paypiggies. I'd rather just collect Sisters.>BAngels feel like they could probably be rolled into codex marines rulewise since there are already successor specialized detachments and characters there. Also Decal slightly ruined image of them.>GKs are special snowflakes who either have manlet models or offputting vehicles. Could be redeemed by refresh, but fall into Custard OC territory.>Space Wolves.
>>98056322keep coping, faggot
>>98056332>orks not in coolestopinion discarded
>>98056332What, does decal like Blood Angels too or something?
>>98056328It's a bot. They are a lot easier to see than normal when you use a keyword outside of the context the guy using them is expecting
>>98056332>meh tier world eaters and tyranids>positive opinion knights and marines>cool chaos knights and death guard>coolest night lordsa faggot kid opinion i guess.
explain why this wouldn't work.
>>98056349yes, though they’re clearly a side piece to his true love.
Counter-Offensive needs to be removed from the game. No, you shouldn't get an entire fight phase when I charge just because nuh uh 1 point stratagem. Make it 3 points or something. (I am seething because a charge of 10 plague marines mostly with melee weapons into Custodes Bikes. Said strategem killed my entire unit).
why did gw fail to capitalize on thousands sons becoming more popular due to their appearance in SM2?
>>98056338I like them, and have some models, but on the whole for 11e they aren't the coolest since they don't have access to big trakks and grot tanks. Plust I don't like the squig wrangler subrange.>But legends should countIf I counted those then Space Marines, Drukhari, Tau and Necrons would be also be higher.>>98056349Yes.>>98056354I like the Berserkers but don't like Jackals or the Eightbound. Also Lord of Skulls can be taken in CSM. So it has elements I really like but is sandbagged hard.Marines are positive because some of the models are fine and the rest mediocre. Knights look cool. It's just that playing against them sucks and is generally not that engaging. Death Guard are cool, though you need to bash them to be more decayed or fungal then whatever weird horn/mouth shit the current range has.CSM (broadly) is just the coolest though, aside from Hellbrutes and the old bikers. Also Night lords are probably the most reddit space marine subfaction out of the entire franchise.
>>98055942The old daemonettes.
>>98056226Well obviously not, insane murderrapists who spawned the elemental deity of degeneracy are not in the running for the title of "good guys.">oh but they're NICE now!Only because they'll be instantly anal vored if they aren't.
>>98056131>Marines generic should be normalNo, as they are engineered to be warriors and are no longer normal.
>>98056332>Custards are lore OPpowerscaling while fun to speculate on at times means absolutely nothing in a fictional setting like 40keveryone was laughing about Grey Knights being woefully underequipped to fight off custodes and sit the emperor back down if he ever got up but its easy enough for the writers to make up a magical ancient daemon mcguffin that they had hidden away all this time to do it
>The Imperium reconstructs Yarrick after Ghaz defeated him again>They restored Yarrick's shattered skull, but he keeps getting intense, perpetually persistent headaches that he has to focus his willpower to ignore Does the Imperium have no access to neurological surgeries and painkillers? This seems grimdark for the sake of grimdark.
>>98056425>This seems grimdark for the sake of grimdark.weird
>>98056423nta on the meta/narrative level they are the most normal and generic army of all.
>>98056423>80% of kits are space marines of some flavorYea, I'd consider that pretty fucking normal in warhammer buddy lol
>>98056425They probably don't work. If his head exploded and they put it back together that seems like he already underwent neurological surgery beyond what we have available today. Is probably on painkillers beyond what we have access to today. Maybe DAoT surgeries and meds would heal him perfectly, but that stuff would be lost to time.
>>98056444>Maybe DAoT surgeries and meds would heal him perfectly, but that stuff would be lost to time.where's Cawl when you need him
Which armies are AGP? Which are HSTS?
>>98056456TOW ones mostly
>>98056435>>98056441They're not normal for Pokémon though. They are designed to fight and nothing else. They train in warfare constantly when not actively engaged in it. Nothing about them is normal.
>>98056471space marines are the ratata and pidgeys and zigzagoons of the pokemon world.
>>98056456>AGP Thousand Sons >HSTS Space Wolves
>>98056471>They are designed to fight and nothing else. They train in warfare constantly when not actively engaged in it. Nothing about them is normal.that's like the most normal shit ever in this setting
>>98055942Give Cyberdaemons
>>98056471There is only war.
>>98056486here you gohttps://www.warhammer.com/en-AU/shop/Soul-Grinder
>>98056474>>98056480>>98056488Compare them to the Imperial Guard though. If IG are normal and space marines are also normal, then what the fuck? Come on, I get you guys like to pretend Astartes are nothing special because GW schills Ultramarines 24/7, but in the lore they ARE special. Not everything in 40k is built for war, your average guardsman certainly isn't, space marines ARE. They are psycho-indoctrinated to think in terms of tactics and strategy to the point of autism.The real question is if they learn Sludge Bomb because of their betcher's gland.
is warhammer merch cringe? I kinda want to get the inquisition hoodie
>>98056509imperial guard, are by the standards of warhammer, unique special snowflakes. marines are the vanilla niggers of the setting.
>>98056509>in the loreeven in "the lore" that vast majority of stories are about marines. kys secondary, >>>/lit/ is that way
>>98056514Not to wear around the house.You should just buy real clothes if you are at all worried about fashion.
>>98056509>but in the lore they ARE special.only in terms of how much they get jacked off, in terms of overall narrative position they are the generic fantasy humans of warhammer
>>98056522>>98056526>>98056515>popularity means they're normalSo Pikachu is the most popular Pokémon, does that make Pikachu normal? Use your fucking brain for five seconds retard. Remember to glue your models in a well ventilated area, kids.
>>98056398Its 2CP. Unless he has something that reduces CP costs, or was lying to you.
>>98056538holy shit tier list autist is crashing out for his faggy ideas LMAO
>>98056544I might be mad, but at least I'm not a retard.
>>98056398Plan your charges better, faglord. Charging player still gets first activation.
>>98056538pikachu is an electric type pokemon which is very specific and unique pokemon. pikachu’s are also not encountered every other step you take in any pokemon game or show. space marines are fucking everywhere and don’t have anything that makes them super special, so therefore they are normal.
Hello I need help, there is a tournament in my local game store, where I used to play YGO, and there will be a Warhammer tournament, friends and all are coming and I'd love to play with them.But I have absolutely no idea what to do. So I decided on Dark Angels. The tournament has 1.000 points.I have been paying attention here and there when I have free time and noticed sometimes rather than shove your ''deck'' with a ton of powerful units, using allotted points for weaker nimble ones to grab objectives could be better. But I'm an overall noob in this game that keeps missing opportunities to use skills and fail at strategizing.So do you guys have any recommendations for building a 1.000 Dark Angels deck? As well as stuff to do or do not while playing? The tournament is in 8 days but I have to pick my choices way sooner for the printing process.
>>98056578>don’t have anything that makes them super specialYou do know they have two hearts, three lungs, subdermal carapace armour, toxic saliva glands, etc. Right? Is that normal? Do you have those organs? Does every faction have those superhuman implants?
>>98056591having some sort of objective holder is good, but also 1k point games can be a bit skew.Is there a tournement pack for the missions you'll be playing, and is there any restrictions?
>>98056594>Right? Is that normal?by 40k standards yes
>>98056591start with a combi lieutenant, you plant him in your expansion (the objective in no man's land that closest to you) and have him hold the fort and do actionsgenerally you have three types of units, action monkeys, objective holders and target elimination, always keep one or two objective monkeys in reserves to Deep strike and do actions, scouts do this well in marines, some objective holders who charge into a point and are hard to dislocate, and some target elimination to deal with tough threats. Most marine lists play by placing as little as possible in enemy vision to still contest objectives and kill the enemy, so you end up sending waves to NML and winning by attrition. Obviously this changes depending on detachment, some want to charge turn one so the enemy never gets to leave their deployment, some go for a single big push to delete you, etc. As already mentioned, in 1000 point games, it's hard to get a good take all comers list so tanks and termies can win easily if the enemy doesn't have a good response.
>>98056594>throw stick of dynamite at him>dies just as easilyyes
>>98056608Then every faction is normal type because it's normal in 40k.
>>98056596Let me check, I can't exceed 1000 points total>must follow Core Rules: Muster Your Armies>must match the updated document Munitorum Field Manual most recent>can't have 2 copies of a given Datasheet with exception of Battleline and Dedicated Transport (maximum 4)>not allowed Toughness above 11Those are the rules>>98056613>combi lieutenant, you plant him in your expansion (the objective in no man's land that closest to you) and have him hold the fort and do actions>always keep one or two objective monkeys in reserves to Deep strike and do actions, scouts do this well in marines, some objective holders who charge into a point and are hard to dislocate, and some target elimination to deal with tough threats.>as little as possible in enemy vision to still contest objectives and kill the enemy, so you end up sending waves to NML and winning by attritionThanks for the detailed explanationI think this time I'm nto gonna be treated as a rookie. The reason I have rights over an army is because I was third place in the previous rookie torunament and they'd print armies for the top 3. I kind of kept leaving it for later which is why I have tomake the decision now.
>>98056645>not allowed Toughness above 11>can't have 2 copies of a given Datasheetbunch of carebears
>>98056238>Bird WearersKek
>>98056456>AGPSisters, Deldar, Tau>HSTSDaemons, Tyranids, Genestealers
>cover will now affects the hit roll and not the save roll>the math used to be to spam a ton of attacks to brute force the odds on the save when it came to high toughness low save units>now hits are harder to scoreI feel like beefy units are gonna be meta in early 11th
>>98056665rerolling hits is far more common than wound rerolls remember
>>98056655cool you can still bring two primo dreads, a whirlwind, a vindi
>>98056425Yarrick is in his Red Baron arc.
>>98056645>can't have 2 copies of a given Datasheet with exception of Battleline and Dedicated Transport (maximum 4)Can anyone that plays dark angels recommend a big brick that Anon could build around, last time i played in a tourny like this i took a brick of 10 scarabs termies and built around them being a problem my oppenent had to deal with which allowed the rest of my army play the game, so maybe that's an idea,
>>98056425ahh hell nah they gave yarrick the butcher's nails
I'm that Iyanden guy from a few weeks back, I painted my third Iyanden. Rate it.
>>98056684>Red Baron arcHonestly seems more like an Adrian Carton de Wiart arc. Unless Yarrick got his own custom Valkyrie I'm not aware of.
>>98056697My second Iyanden from a few weeks ago by comparison.
>>98056697I'm reallu licking the yellow, how did you do the blue helm was that with contrast or normal paints?
>>98055959>turn signals on a land raiderholy god that's a blast from the past
>>98056697marge simpson
>>98056363can't land on terrain like that
Have to say, Helsreach was pretty lackluster. Started interestingly but the ran out of gas and ended up in really sad slog of the last 20-30 pages. The marines were the worst written with the side human characters being the most interesting.
>>98056770>with the side human characters being the most interesting.>space marines being emotionless killing machinesthis is why I hate black library and buy only marine armies
>>98056785The marines are written like petulant, autistic children. Aside from Nero. I have read plenty of BL novels and Marines can be written as emotionless killing machines, not melodramatic autists. Grey Knights Omnibus and Ahriman Omnibus both are such better examples.
>>98056770ADB is extremely overrated, he's a fucking redditor who has occasional good prose.
I'm struggling between choosing world eaters or thousand sons as a new army project
>>98056813Paint your backlog first
>>98056813Heh, you would.
Lets say I wanna build Outlander Claw GSC as my next army for 11th Edition. Would a combination of the 9th edition and 10th edition Combat Patrols + another set of Jackals be a solid starting point at 1k points? It'd look something like this>Magus>Jackal Alphus>20 Neophyte Hybrids>10 Acolyte Hybrids w/ Flamers (2 squads of 5)>5 Acolyte Hybrids w/ Autopistols>5 Aberrants>10 Atalan Jackals >1 Ridgerunner>1 Goliath RockgrinderAltogether it's a little under 1k with just the extra Atalan Jackals. Only change I'd make outside of that is maybe take the Aberrants out for another Jackal Alphus + 5 Jackals.
>>98056811I can attest to that. Loved the Night Lords after reading the Battlezone Cityfight narrative battle report and was told to read the NL Omnibus.Excitedly, I bought the book and cracked it. I was unable to finish the first book because of how dull and boring it was.
I have pic rel and I'm getting ready to glue and paint it but it made me think - if the styx and despoiler (I enjoy carriers) are post-heresy Imperial designs then what did Chaos ships in the heresy actually look like? Do Chaos marine ships look like battle barges? I know Typhon's ship at least looks like the Despoiler class with the insinuation that the design is the same, does it make sense then that I could run with my Styx being a Heresy era Night Lord vessel along the same argument of a shared development history? Chaos Grand Cruisers are the closest in appearance to the Vengeful Spirit, are they all Heresy designs? I'm probably overthinking this but I am a big fan of Battlefleet Gothic and want to have my own Night Lord fleet to go with my main models.
>>98056697>>98056707I’m quite fond of eldar, and I appreciate anyone painting a yellow dominant army, so I like it. did you end up switching any colors or is it purely lighting? as a suggestion, I think you should make a shitty lightbox, so you can get some consistent lighting and background on your minis. just grab any box you have, and put some white paper on the sides.
>>98056813odds world eatersevens thousand sons
>>98056827the nightlords did not take care of their toys and they have no chaos influence over their toys. so do with that information what you will. Space marine ships are generally larger than your average rogue trader ship.
Why are imperium-fags always so mad about Tau? Especially nu-fags.
>>98056813Join us brother!
>>98056869Taufags are annoying and exaggerate the Greater Good aspect. The better ones just like mecha and more straightforward alien aesthetics, but they're still a pain on the tabletop if you aren't equipped to rape them before they rape you
>>98056869Secondaries sperg out because they think if you play an army you are a 1:1 representation of the factions ideology, this isn't exclusive to tau though. just look at the lorefags arguing on the birdsite
>>98056841>>98056871rolled a six so thousand sons it is. Saw that I can make it to 2k points with the two battleforces too so it's definitely cheaper than WE even if the army made from those probably isn't very good
>>98056836>I’m quite fond of eldar
>>98056836>did you end up switching any colorsI did, I used Grey Seer Primer over White Scar. It helped tremendously to see differences in yellow.
>>98056917Stop ban evading pedo
>>98056934Get some new material already
>>98056941Find a new site to plague already
>the rubric marines becomes like 10 bucks if you buy the combat patrol and sell everything else in itis this worth doing?
>>98056946>Still trying to pull this demand without posting timestamped models alongside it fuck off pedo, you still don't know how this site works
>>98056945If you like rubric marines that much.
>>98056951I don't like Tzaangors but like rubrics
>>98056945buy one of theseget a box of rubricsget a winged demon princeget a terminator sorcthere you go 1k points
>>98056948I just like to remind you every now and then about how much of a coward you are for not associating your models with your opinion of me.
>>98056960>Says the pedo too cowardly to even sit out his entire ban
>>98056962Nothing more cowardly than making false claims and lies about people.
>>98056962not the retard but who the fuck actually waits out bans outside of people already wanting to take a break from the website and using it as motivation
>>98056967Not a single falsity was posted, you even cried about a three day yesterday you fucking retard >>98056968Pajeet behavior
>>98056971>Pajeet behaviorlmao
>>98056931Has my painting improved? I feel like it improved a ton IMO. I just need to work on the eyes, problem is I can't fucking see the eyeholes.
>indirect fire is worthless in 11thjust fuck my artillery based kriegsmen army shit up
>>98056987Hey buddy, Reddit is two blocks down.
>>98056991He can't post there they actually ban or delete his shit on sight like we should be doing The only reason he's still here is he has nowhere else to go
>>98056827Heresy era ships looked pretty much like M41 era ships. Some Chaos ship designs are post-Heresy and some Imperial ships designs are pre-Imperial. For BFG they just split the difference (with a few exceptions) for thematic reasons. Like why all CSM are sporting Anvillus pattern backpacks, rather than a mix.In BFG, Chaos fleets lack a good source of carriers and torpedo ships. I think the idea is that early Imperial ships were more like ships of the line, relying on tons of guns, while later they began to implement carriers and torpedoes (various Imperial carriers are mentioned as being modifications of existing hulls). I guess you could always just make a ship of your own design and pretend it's a pre-existing design from the Heresy or just a modified hull of another ship design. Like how the Jovian class began life as a one-off carrier modification of the Mars class and later became a class of its own.>insinuationIt's outright stated that they recovered the blueprints for the Terminus Est and made the Despoiler based on those.Man, digging through old BFG PDFs does bring up interesting stuff. Like how Vengeful Spirit was just a battle barge, based on a design similar to the Despoiler class, rather than a unique Gloriana class hyper battleship. Similarly Endurance didn't exist and Terminus Est was the DG flagship. WE Conqueror seems to be the only flagship next to Vengeful Spirit that kept their name into modern HH fluff.
>>98056987Thank you for proving me correct once again. >This site belongs to all of usWe do not recognize you as one of us, and never will.
>already had the Captain and Chaplain Terminators when I bought the Crux Terminatus box>if I don’t paint the ones that came in the box, I just have the Ancient and two Hammer Termies left to paintI’m torn between taking the easy way out on a box I already procrastinated hard on or having them as alt builds and finishing the whole thjng….
>>98056987Judge Dredd would hunt you down and shoot you after declaring you guilty of disturbing the peace, this guy just rationally explained how you're an annoying retard. These are two different things. Take your pills schizo.
>>98056994I know, but Gachimuchi is a divine ritual that must be observed. Praise Aniki, PBUH.
>>98056486Mossa captures the general small details of 40k in a way that modern GW artists don't
Any announcements on new combat patrols or bundles coming out after 11th’s launch? I want some eldar shit but a box of 10 guardians for $60 is really steep.
>>98057036nonce artist
>>98056998Thanks for such an in depth reply, that has essentially answered all my questions.>Like how Vengeful Spirit was just a battle barge, based on a design similar to the Despoiler class, rather than a unique Gloriana class hyper battleship.I really like that design for Chaos battle barges compared to the blockier Imperial concept. I think I will run with that lore when imaging heresy era ships whilst having the styx align more with its bfg story. The Despoiler and Retaliator will be the mainline, the lance and carrier combo really is my favourite. Do you have any more interesting BFG content?
>>98057044>Hey buddy, Reddit is two blocks down.Is a spin on:>Hey buddy, the leather club is two blocks down.This is one of the lines in the video referenced in the image of >>98056972I think he showed you who is the boss of this gym.
>>98057064I can't take that word seriouslyIt sounds like something a 9 year old would call you because he can't curse
>>98056986Just get some spotter units
>>98057074Do people here really hate the space wolves or just that poster?I’m not sure if we have an izzat or izzat-like system but for warhammer 40k model armies on /tg/.
>>98057102people hate furriespeople hate marinespeople really hate furry marines+ this is a tsons general and the shadow wizard money gang fucking hates those cunts
>>98057036I like his tau.
>>98057126Idk why you keep trying this angle, it's a lost cause
>>98057126you are guilty of being a gay furry
>>98057102It's mostly the poster but wolves in general have a bit of a bad reputation in general post flanderization to Wolflord Wolf Wolfborn riding a thunderwolf, wielding wolf claws and leading a pack of fenrisian wolves
>>98057071Space Marine battle barges and strike cruisers come in a great variety of styles and designs. Especially in the case of battle barges the ship can be any sort of large ship design the Imperium has ever fielded. It does seem the "blocky" design is post-Heresy, modifying the vessel to serve more of a carrier and orbital support craft over a traditional cruiser. I think it was the Nova frigate's fluff that mentions it being made specifically to fight other ships and the Navy got mad that the Marines weren't sticking to their lane. But, like always, Marines ignored them and kept making the ships for their fleets.
Aspect warriors are cooler than muhreenz.
>>98057133It’s not an angle you puke, it’s a reality because people here act like children looking for amusement by hook or crook.
>98057126>innocent
>>98057143delulu af
>>98057126>2 or 3Try almost 40.
>>98057143Sounds like you hate it here. Maybe you should leave?
>>98057145>act like children >delulu af Case closed
>>98057155you know that people can form opinions based on how you reply to others right? people aren't going to like you when they witness you calling other people vile evil subhuman scum
>>98057155>peer pressure>on 4chinslmao
Real fagville hours
>>98057186>>98057016
>Video called Every 40k faction's MUST READ bookAeldari:>VoidscarredDrukhari:>Lelith Hesperax>Da Big DakkaI see these people don't fucking read.
>>98057036>bolter>meltagun>plasma pistol>pair of (bolt?) pistols>bayonet>bone swordWho let brother into the 2e wargear list?
>>98057205someone based
>>98057196It's 1AM on the east cost bruv, sorry, I think this one's on the euroqueers.
>>98057222Could also be Aussies or SEA.
>>98057222its like 6am in the UK rn, most are still asleep
>>98057205He's a tyrannic war vet, who's gonna stop him?
>>98057036He's so fucking good it's crazy. He gets 40k like few artists have ever gotten it, up there with the greats in terms of design even if his technique isn't there yet.
Is the Cawl cylinder on space marine weapons a trade mark design mandated by gw?Has any lore fluff been made about it?I’m just curious about it.Lastly are plasma and power weapons now common again in the imperium thanks to Cawl?
>>98057260afaik its just a power cell
>>98057260>Is the Cawl cylinder on space marine weapons a trade mark design mandated by gw?Considering it's not on bolt carbines and various bolt pistols, who knows?>are plasma and power weapons now common again in the imperium thanks to Cawl?Don't know how plasma and power weapons were ever rare, considering civilians could get their hands on them and Guard regiments could specialize in plasma weapons. Plasma warheads are like the standard big warhead on various WMDs and plasma reactors provide power across the Imperium.
>>98057260>>98057271IIRC it was labeled as "gyroscopic stabilizer" or somesuch on Jes's initial primaris sketches.
>>98057260This is one of the annoying things about primaris design I was thinking about recently. Not specifically the "cawl cylinder" but just the fact that they are so obsessed with re-using pieces of design language in general, it almost comes off as insecure that they don't think their range will look cohesive enough without doing this very unsubtle, brute forcing of using EXACTLY the same piece because they lack a more sophisticated understanding of design language.Like LOOK LOOK ITS THE POWER CIRCLE THING, YOU'VE SEEN THAT BEFORE YOU KNOW WHAT THAT IS. LOOK ITS THE GRAV PLATES. SO YOU KNOW THIS IS A PRIMARIS SPACE MARINE VEHICLE. Older models didn't need to do this. They were okay experimenting, playing around, making everything feel a little different and a little more cobbled together, that's how we ended up with the different marks of power armour. Nowadays the designers are too timid and amateurish to play around like that, they have to colour in between the lines. Just shows how the new guys don't have the chops.
>>98057271Sometimes it spins too like in sm2 which made some people say it is a recoil compensator but I’m no gun expert.Have current 40k artists on gw’s payroll started making the iron sights of the bolt rifles look like the iron sights from sm2?Sm2 really fixed the scope’s view blocked by the iron sight on the models but official artists kept going with it.
>>98056999>>This site belongs to all of us>We do not recognize you as one of us, and never will.It's funny how tourists come here thinking this is some gay lolbertarian "free speech" site like Twitter then have a meltdown when they're met with any sort of moderation.I won't say mods/jannies are exactly fair arbiters of what is and isn't allowed on the website but if you can spur them into spawncamping your posts for weeks on end then you probably aren't the one in the right here.
>>98057278>plasma and power weapons actually not more or less commonSo maybe they were just more expensive all along?I don’t know if true or not.>>98057289Thanks!>>98057291I think it is more so gw doesn’t want to designers to deviate from what makes money.Whereas the models in aos clearly have more allowance for deviation, experimentation and creativity.Maybe the primaris desolators models with the comically by 40k standard rocket launchers was an example of permitted creativity that didn’t work out.
>>98057291I doubt any of the sculptors they have are allowed to go outside the lines. GW very very clearly has a set style they want their models (not just marines, or 40k, but everything) to follow and all their sculptors are expected to follow it. It's like with animated cartoons or whatever. The sweatshop koreans aren't allowed to add personal touches to anything. They're expected to match the style they're given exactly.
>>98057222>1AM>On saturdayIs it past your bedtime lil bro?
>>98056578>>98056615>>98056608you realize you are arguing with some fat neckbeard who masturbates to horus heresy novels right? this dude thinks the guys who make up 90% of the setting are all rare special snowflakes
>>98056770I liked it quite a bit, but its simply a matter of taste. Did Andrej ever find his love? No she's fucking dead and was raped by orks.
>get home from work at 11 at night>through my boots in the corner, take a shower>log on to 4channel.org to shitpost about my favorite toy line>daily autistic mutant beast sperg outI can't even be disappointed because it's just 50% of this threat at this point.
>Defiler is a Daemon engine>Old model all mechanical>New one has Flesh for some reason???
>>98057298>what makes moneyPrimaris didn't make money, that's why they keep making them closer to firstborn again (Terminators, Scouts, Mk7 helmets, old Land Speeder) and are squatting some of the primaris designs (servo turret, invader, suppressors) after only two editions.
>>98057318It could have been decent, but the pacing and the fact the story ended up bloated with subplots that all had to be resolved in the final part of the book ruined it, imo. Andrej deserved his wife.
>>98057324Chaos was always supposed to be fleshier and more biomechanical, 3rd edition models strayed too much from that. New Defiler is better.
>>98057318
>>98056770>one of the said better BL books turns out to be bad.Is this just BL writers being themselves or is there something more to the way things are given that there are things to be followed and barriers that can’t be crossed and what is or isn’t allowed by gw execs?By chance were the Star Wars novels suffering the same problems as the black library 40k books?I’m scared that books i enjoyed reading when I was a kid were bad.>mortal engines >leviathan trilogy>incarceron >warrior cats might have turned to slop
>>98057323could be worse.. not sure how, but it probably could be.
>>98057337>Is this just BL writers being themselves or is there something more to the way things are given that there are things to be followed and barriers that can’t be crossed and what is or isn’t allowed by gw execs?That was a really annoying way for you to write that, but no, it's not executive meddling, it's just the writers are fucking bad. Their prose is bad. There's no amount of GW meddling that would have anything to do with that, it's not about story decisions (although those can also be terrible) it's just the fucking WRITING itself. It's slop. Internet fanfiction tier.There are exceptions, Fehervari for example is an incredible standout of real talent among the rest of these hacks. So was Ian Watson, rest in peace, although he's an acquired sort of taste I think and most modern readers can't handle how outdated his material is.
>>98057328Primaris are said to have saved gw.Not sure where the undeniable proof is but I don’t think your saying that primaris don’t make money is true either.I think marines make money and keep the lights on at gw though.>designs squatted after two editionsWhat was the fastest release to squatting a model ever had?Special cases like anniversary models probably don’t count.>>98057340It will get worse.Something worse will come around and make the previous cringe more tolerable by being worse.
>Venomcrawlers and Helbrutes always sold outJust fucking put them in stores already, same with Chaos Spawn.
>>98057337I have been re-reading my various Omnibus editions from 20 years ago. A lot of stuff still holds up quite well, while others do not. Gotrek and Felix by King still are a delightful adventure, but the Space Wolf trilogy was far less interesting compared to when I first read it. Ultramarines Omnibus is a very interesting read and not bad at all, but Nights Lords is a painful slog. I will be curious to re-read the Soul Drinkers trilogy next.
>>98057352>That was a really annoying way for you to write thatSorry anon. Wish I did it better but I’m glad you pressed through.>writers are bad bad prose ideas etc.Like my annoying writing or worse or close to it?>exceptionsHow common are these exceptions generally?And if you could make a layout for what makes for proper BL book writing done right to fans of warhammer what would the list look like?It could probably work for Star Wars novels too as I’ve heard the canon novels aren’t very good compared to EU novels I know there are some real bad jobs there. And nostalgia and wanting to be better for liking older thing is at play here.
Are Dire Avengers an old model? Why the eyes so fucking tiny compared to the other Eldar heads?
>>98057335She was a fine Armegeddon Rose.
>>98057377Yes, they weren't updated in the refresh for some reason. Hopefully they'll get to them in 11th.
>>98057337I feel like it varies. The Dark Imperium Trilogy was good when the plot was progressing and had chapters about the main players in that plot. But it also had plenty of chapters where it spends paragraphs having Firstborn inspecting a Primaris Bolt Rifle and going “WOW these are SO cool!” or having Space Marines go “If we always had these (Primaris) tanks we would have defeated all our foes already!” Like the story would be getting good and then it’d hit you with an ad for the new at the time Primaris units. Felix was cool though.
>>98057329pacing didn't bother me. I read it in one sitting on a flight 10 years ago. Not sure how a writer could convey "we sat there without sleep fighting giant spiky green supersoldiers for weeks" without time skipping to relevant anecdotes. The book is primarily about Grimaldus inner conflict from his Emperor's Children indoctirnation and not being a retard so you can actually win, because winning is more important than glory because of all the humanity that he is forced to witness and he has almost no experience with. His relationship with andrej, his chapters bad relationship with the Salamanders, and the final desperate battle where a bunch of civilians sentenced to death stood up to die beside him do a good job of having the main character actually have some sort of meaningful journey. Could be wrong, you just read it and I read it 10 years ago but those bits really sank into my brain meat and were the context for a lot of my initial descent into the 40k rabbit hole
Does 40k have scalpers?
>>98057430Absolutely, but Kill Team specifically has it way worse for team releases
is a Hekaton Land Fortress too much at 1,000 points?
>>98057439Probably not. It's a powerful vehicle but it's also a big points investment.
>>98057439Your army is slow as fuck and lacks anything like walkers and other tanks. It's superheavies and highly elite armies that are significantly harder to deal with.
working on the interior of the titan head i've given the princeps to the guy who runs my LGS to paint. he's the princeps of the store so i felt it would be fitting and so he can say he painted a titan
>>98057454this giant fucking mold line on the front i somehow missed will fit in pretty well after it's weathered
>>98057452at least they got trikes
>>98057469That is true, but if deployment is long-ways then it's a long trek without a Kapricus or Hekaton for his infantry.
>>98057457looks honestly like believable battle damage
>>98057457Even reality has mould lines and bad paintjobs, so don't sweat it.
>>98057259Totally. Like this WE artpiece is what the eightbond wanted to be, beyond a berserker but even more mad and dangerous. Obvs there is far too many details on here to be a model, but golden nails across the head, blidning him, the tangle of butcher nail cabels, the black suit mesh across the arms so hes not just bare armed like the models. Its all so good and captures the feel of a WE.The ornate detail it also so khorne, mad and blood driven but dripped the fuck out. I also just noticed his chainaxe is a gun like a custodes spear, which would suit WE perfectly. The mini WE on his backpack is peak 40k as well
If I am in the market for a very psychic-heavy army, what are my options?
>>98057524>what if the butchers nails were LITERAL nails guys i'm getting chills and goosebumpsthat looks absolutely retarded
>>98057525Thousand Sons, Grey Knights, Eldar, and also Tyranids
>>98056486here you go
>>98057533It looks cool and could be used to seperate WE from other Khornate marines if GW ever bothered to not flanderise them. It's distinct and different
>>98057533Some retard khornate would entirely misinterpret his primarch's suffering/angst
>>98057533NTA but no it looks sick. You are a tasteless faggot.
>>98057525In 10th/11th? None because psychic is barely even an actual thing anymore. Play an edition with soul if you want good psychic mechanics.
>>98057557He had a lobotomy before the nails>>98057555>>98057560It looks like absolute shit creepypasta slop
>>98056486
>>98057567>creepypasta slop>with all that ornate filigree and such in the weapon, slopYou don't even know what these buzzwords mean retard. You have ZERO taste.
>>98057574Overdesigned garbage that makes no sense at all. You're stupid.
>>98055956Multiple things can be true at once, retard-kun
>>98057036Mossa puts some life in a modern 40k that is bland and boring
>wargear cost coming back>flyers aren't squatted, they work like in 30kBased. Just need modular statlines, FOC and USRs back.
>>98055956The whole "40k is lore first" argument that's been circulating on twitter is just so funny, you can tell that larping secondaries who only got into 40k because "XDDD PURGE 4 DA EMPRAH" are feeling let down.The single two biggest events in Warhammer 40k lore (Expansion of the Horus Heresy, Fall of Cadia and the subsequent Indomitus Crusade) were created entirely just to sell more types of Space Marine models. They don't even hide it that much.
>>98057590>>wargear cost coming backI wish
>>98056220
>>98057612They confirmed it. It'll still be worst than 9th but at least stuff like heavy weapons won't all cost the exact same.
>>98057642Link? I believe you but I want to see what GW says exactly
>>98057588that guy should be a model
How many vostroyans are you buying?
>>98057644Will we see a return to granular points?A: Yes, a bit, not to the extent of points for bolt pistols. Big pieces of wargear will have costs, example is Riptide's weapons options will have different costs. Battleline boys probably won't.https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer40k/comments/1te3qlh/your_new40k_questions_answered_warhammer_40000/
>>98057675>not to the extent of points for bolt pistolsI hate these retards because this is disingenous as fuck and they'll use it to still make point costs suck.>Battleline boys probably won't.So a multimelta will still cost the same as a boltgun for SoB, fantastic.
>>98057671Got a friend who wants two platoons, snipers and mortars. May Emperor have mercy on his wallet.
>>98057682Those are the old prices. Comparing them to the new ones in 10 minutes is going to be depressing I can tell.
>>98057588>>98057651We need more sword monks and shotgun priests.
>>98056371Maybe I should do a blood angel under the other foot
>>98057704Made me think of this. https://youtu.be/LuwNn-3Esb8RIP Ellen Page
>>98057671>>98057691Told ya lmao
Yeah... I think I'll skip Vostroyans after all
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwsPI36OV9Mholy shit how can we apply this? some chrome looking massive titan or knight would look so good
>the kog fortress is 160€phiew glad Iam not a shitma enjoyer. And I thought 40k is expensive
>>98057691>>98057710Yes, we were aware of the prices going up.
>>98057715Imagine a GK army painted up in this
>>98057651Could always commission a guy to make it, would only cost 500 dollars but you can print it forever>>98057675Cheers. That's an acceptable start. It's still missing the point a bit but I could see it work.
>>98057712Update soon.Trust Vostroyan spirit.
>>98057704>baby armkek>>98057715Tau stealth suit optical camo
>>98057671>25 € for the command squadThis is very tempting ngl
>>98057591Like lore is important and things shouldn't go against it, but the way they're caring on about it's the only thing people base their choice of army on.
>>98057671>>98057751It's actually 43.50 € now and you don't get the grenade launcher guy.Fuck you Games Workshop, eat shit.
>>98057743Update no time soon, haven’t even done steel legion yet.Buy wargames Atlantic, recast or prints
>>98056177That's what's up.
>>98057758>picHell yeah
>>980577573rd parties look nothing like the real designs and recasts are stupidly expensive for some reason.
>>98057770>stupidly expensiveBecause there is demand and is illegal, so they ask for the most possible in preparation of when they get shut down. Imagine you made a living out of milking cows in other people's farms; you'd get in, milk as much as possible and then gtfo, hopefully before getting caught.Alternatively, you're just a greedy bastard who knows he can't be touched so you milk as much as possible because you think people are sucker for buying your cheap garbage in the first place. Like in China.
>>98057138God BFG was do cool. The ships, the art, the rules, the graphic design... Everything is perfect.
Should I trust BLM for big models? I kinda want to get one of these to proxy a Prince since they're basically the same size but the only experience I have with them are weapon bits that were just OK.
>>98057142Aspect warriors nowadays get more weapon options than marines.
>>98057777I get it but buying copies of old models that get worse detail due to recasting for such a price is a big ask. Especially for a horde army.
>>98057782i don't know why people buy from BLM when WTG exists
>>98057710HAHAH I'm not getting them fuck GW
I bought the vostroyan skin for darktide instead.
>>98057807Doubt it.
>>98057710>that much for a single fucking flameroh my fuck
>>98057821None of it makes sense. It's a single guardsman. Pic rel is also a metal model you can buy right now(and a more detailed one) at less than half the price.And then a heavy weapon team which is 2 dudes with a big gun is just a few bucks more than a single mini.
>>98057815What now?
>>98057830>no chainmailI fucking hate fatshark
>>98057807>>98057830>buying costumes in a video game I'm an old man yelling at clouds but this is retarded.
>>98057826MTO is for milking suckers. It's not intended as an actual avenue for building an army. They want you to buy new shit.
>>98057843I don't usually buy cosmetics for games but I liked those, costed me like 5€ and I have put more than enough hours into the game to make back the 20€ I bought it for.
>>98057787I completely agree and I always roll my eyes and ignore anyone who recommends chang and ivan. I'd rather scour the internet for free scans and print it myself.>>98057807Same, also bought the lasgun skin. The two costed like 5 bucks and I sold some counter-strike boxes.
>>98057710Yeah, fuck those prices.>29 fucking dollars for a single flamerFucking why though? What makes this wanker so special that he costs more?
>Celestial Lions are on Armageddon againDid they forget Spear of the Emperor or something
>>98057905No, they are afraid that there will be yet another "ork sniper" incident orchestrated by the inquisition if they don't go there.
>>98057710>going to be even more expensive in burger dollarsI don’t think I like vostroyans THAT much.
When 40k switched from 7E's All-or-Nothing AP in 8E, it breathed new life on otherwise ignored weapons; now there wasn't AP3+ vs "Useless AP"......but it triggered AP inflation: now everything had -1AP at least, which is the most important point of AP (extra is extra).The excessive amount of AP cheapened Invuln saves because there was so much AP now everyone needed invulns...which in turn made "rare" Mortal Wounds much more common than originally advertised. Which in turn made FnP common.Tl,Dr; did 10E fix that?Do you guys still have rampant AP, invulns on everything and a MW infestation?I see lots of former Wargear and abilities got simplified into "Does X mortal wounds when Y happens".
>>98057826You should probably compare it to TOW's MTO prices. IIRC thise were pretty high as well.
>>98057916>...but it triggered AP inflation: now everything had -1AP at least, which is the most important point of AP (extra is extra).It wasn't the system switch that caused it. It's specifically PRIMARIS that caused it. They had to give primaris special boy +1 everything which meant default weapons with -1AP
>>98057916No, 10th fixed nothing. I can't think of a single thing 10th does better than basicaly every other edition. And old AP is still superior.
>>98057905i thought that scythes are disbanded and stragglers are either in deathwatch or went chaos?
>>98055942Guys, I'm obsessed with this image.I'm a sword fanatic and I can't stop thinking about the proportions a rapier would have if it were made for an 8-foot-tall guy.>Total length155 cm>Blade length120 cm>Handle35 cm>Blade width5 cm at the base>Weight3.5 kg
>>98057927
>>98057927I understand why you're obsessed with that imagine, it's exactly the kind of stupid I want in my warhammer. SavedI love weapons with power supply cables.
>>98057850I disagree in this case. You have the entire Vostroyan range here (save for the casualities). Its not intended as an avenue for building an army for newbie little timmy who just started yesterday.
>>98057938>I disagree>repeats the postNtab wha?
>>98057922I remember primaris, with their 2W troops, triggered a damage inflation that made vehicles feel too frail vs anti-infantry despite having a dozen wounds, and was so severe many models were given -1D and limits on how much damage they could be allocated.>>98057924>old AP is still superior.I come from 30k and I can tell you it's not. If a gun doesn't at least have Breaching 5+ (5 to wound are AP2) then nobody bothers with it. Like bolters.
>>98057671If they're gonna be resin anyway I may as well pirate them.
>>98057948Little timmy isn't going to start a vostroyan army but your friend john the engineer who was a teenager when Vostroyans first came out and missed out on them then but now actually has the money to buy them will
>>98057958They're metal these days
does someone here actually has a full army of homebrew Space Marines or some obscure chapter?
>when you realize Forgeworld Krieg which used to have a reputation for being horribly overpriced are just on par with regular kits now
Guess who's back?
>>98057964>but your friend john the engineer who was a teenager when Vostroyans first came out and missed out on them then but now actually has the money to buy them willAnd my friend john the engineer is just going to look at>29 USD for a single flamerAnd say "Fuck that, not worth it."
>>98057972Regular kits are still better quality at least.
>>98057972SadAlso to think FW krieg had 3 different kits for the same squad>standing>running>shootingI wish we had that still.>>98057973Not reading that, QRD or gtfo
>>98057973KINO IS BACK ON THE MENU BOYSWhere is that from? The new Yarrick book?
>>98057973>>98057984Release d-d-d-doomrider for EC and my life is yours.
to this day I really dont know what Forge World is or why it exists
>wazdakka>ork bikers>ork trakk>primaris outriders multipart>ravenwing refresh>Doomrider>FINALLY CSM bikersI see the vision
>>98057997you're not very intelligent.
>>98057927>RapierIt's probably the ultimate sword type, even if they were a civilian weapon that was never actually used as a primary weapon at war.Maximum reach. Subpar cutting ability, but that's what the power field is for.A dedicated duelist (SM Champion) would also have a buckler or energized gauntlet.
>>98057997It was for faggots that wanted to turn 40k into a historical rivet counter setting.Thankfully it's gone now.
>>98057799I agree with you 100% but WTG don't have the old LoC.
>>98057997It was another specialist studio that focused, typically, on vehicles, vehicle upgrade sprues, super heavies like Titans and other niche things GW wasn't making themselves. They made few books like Imperial Armor and such. Most of their stuff was resin and exorbitantly expensive.
>>9805801130k is big on counting rivets
>>98058011That remains with SM armour marks.
>>98058016kys
>>98058021I didn't say anything bad about forgeworld.Other than that it was expensive (which it was).
>>98058028Why are you explaining shit that could easily be found on a search engine in 2 seconds.
>>98058005>ultimate sword type>basically never used in war>only exists for duelingIt's shit. Especially marines who engage dozens of enemies at once even in melee.Generic long sword/greatsword is better because the marine can use it to cleave through multiple enemies and use it to hack into enemies like an axe.And since it has a power field stuff like thrusting and stabbing works too.
>>98058029Who the fuck made you thread police? Go fuck off and paint a mini
so many angry retards today
>>98058020Only with faggots.99% of marinefags playing 40k, mix armors and kitbash without giving a fuck.
>>98058033Yeah, you're so fat that you counts as 10 retards by yourself alone.
>>98058029the first non-GW google result of 'forgeworld' is a reddit postbut if that's how you'd prefer anon to learn perhaps i'll just let you link it yourself for the free karma or whatever the fuck it is
>>98058038Honestly yea I would prefer retards who like/need spoonfeeding to go elsewhere.
>>98058037I don't know how I'll ever recover from this epic burn.
>>98058033FUCK YOU I’M NOT RETARDED JUST ANGRY
>>98058045Mad
>>98058011>>98058019Tell me you're a newfag without telling me you're a newfag
>>98058045From now on I will spoonfeed people purely because it annoys you.
>>98058031But a power rapier was designed for dexterity and maintaining distance from enemies (we all know how Sigismund died).
>>98058059And all of that is pointless for marines.And if you really need to maintain distance and dexterity just use a pistol.
>>98058056I shouldn't spoonfeed you like this but you responded to the wrong anon.
>>98058066Misclick on my part
>>98058059In addition, you will always have the option of using a secondary weapon (another sword, a bolter, a shield, etc.)
>>98056486They have all these stories of Xenos (former human most likely,) cyborg psyker societies they ran into and wiped out, and it’d make a cool objectively evil chaos leaning Xenos faction to just have this vicious amalgam faction out there of all the sins of the Dark Age of Technology that the emperor was trying to wipe out in the crusade.
>>98058075>In addition, you will always have the option of using a secondary weaponMarines already do this with their regular power swords without needing a rapier.
>Dude likes rapier vs Dude who hates rapierThank you for bringing me back to recess
>>98058065>And all of that is pointless for marines.Anon, most marines fight hand-to-hand, many use combinations of melee and ranged weapons, combat skill is the most important thing on the battlefield.
>>98058080A power rapier would make it faster, and speed is always an advantage.
In favour of space marines having whatever the fuck weapon they want because they're going to swing, stab or poke it hard enough to obliterate whatever they're facing.
>>98058090Let me give tacticals and devastators rotor/assault cannons you cowards
>>98056456>AGP (autistic power gamers obsessed with winning, why they cheat at multiplayer video games all the time.)Custodes, Knights, Chaos Knights. They crash out if you have two or more tanks>HSTS (the raped, obsessed with aesthetics.)Sororitas, Tau, Imperial Guard, Deldar. Will feign sadness you beat their girls, hits on you.
>>98058090the bow is too on the nose.
Did someone say "rapier"?
>>9805795230k is a separate case because it's even more marine heavy but maye regular ass tacticals with boltguns are still great there. Almost every weapon is usable. Old AP is just better as it makes armour worth something. In 40k I'm paying for terminators whose 2+ save never works.
>>98058011Fuck you 40k was always better in Imperial Armour.
>>98058031Even an axe-type power blade has difficulty cleaving through a power armoured marine; they are just that thick. No way a longsword-type power weapon cleaves through multiple.I'd be against rapiers the same reason I'd be against anything longer than an arming sword: they're too long for indoors use. And indoors/urban fighting is like 75% of combat.Custodian power polearms are the pinnacle of power weapons, too bad they don't fit indoors
>>98058117I do wish rapiers were a thing in 40k. Marines have fuck all for artillery and rapiers were a 40k unit first.
Are these things made of gold or something?
>>98058120Legion tacticals are useable because they get extra bolter shots on the cheapest bodies available to the faction. You don't get better than 3 bolter shots for 10 pts.Meanwhile, it's a complete waste to have expensive Veterans use "mere bolters".Doesn't mean bolters are good, just that tacticals are cheap.
>>98058129Cawl's got you bro
>>98058135lel
>>98058135That's a pretty good price for a character model>It's a basic infantry modelOh...
>>98058129I know marines "shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best them", but I don't think marines should have much artillery, from a game balance perspective. Assault Guns yes (Vindicators), but nothing heavier than mobile Whirlwind missile artillery.Marines are lightning attack, decapitation strikes. A scalpel.Let big slow guns be the purview of the Guard, the hammer of the Imperium.
>>98058139Gay and lame.
>>98057927dildo sword
Why is GW so fucked up when it makes rulesDeath Guard are supposed to be slowThe fastest Drukhari vehicles are 14 inch movement.Death Guard vehicles are 10 with an advance on every weapon, so 50% of the time they are as fast or faster than the SUPER FRAGILE GLASS CANNON armyNothing in Drukhari has advance
>>98058147Marines do seem to have the problem of slowly creeping in scope to have the identity of every other Army too so that there's nothing unique to other factions.
>>98058117>>98058129Rapiers WERE a 40k thing. Most HH marine stuff started as 40k stuff. The thunderfire cannon was also a remake of the thudd gun rapier>>98058139This model looks so fucking shit, anyone could make it in zbrush
>>98058129They used to be way back in the day
>>98058086It wouldn't be faster and if you need to be faster they'd just use a boltgun.
>>98058153Everything about Nurgle is OP, I'm guessing devs love him
>>98058151>dildo sworda dark eldar wrote this
>>98058128>Even an axe-type power blade has difficulty cleaving through a power armoured marineOnly if you're a bitch made weakling.Same with a longsword.
>>98058153Drukhari is secretly only a medium speed army outside of, specifically, Wyches.A lot of their speed came from the fly keyword which doesn't let any of their monsters, vehicles, or mounted units get through walls anymore so they got waaaaay less mobile for everything except infantry.They don't really have advance and charge anywhere anymore either (again, besides Wyches) because the army wide advance and charge in 9th was just too oppressive and they were scared to give it back to them.Even their bigger stuff is surprisingly slow, with their Talos weapon platforms plodding along at 7" Mv speed and a lot of their stuff actually getting slower in 10th than it was in 9th.
>>98058128>Even an axe-type power blade has difficulty cleaving through a power armoured marine>Rule of power weapon: ignore armor saveHuh?
>>98058137Why the fuck would you even want veterans with boltguns in the first place? The point of veterans is they have access to other guns. That's still a far cry from every weapon that isn't AP3 or breaching being worthless.
>>98058150Just like real rapiers.
>>98058147I don't want them to have field artillery guns but rapiers should be fine.
>>98058163>A lot of their speed came from the fly keyword which doesn't let any of their monsters, vehicles, or mounted units get through walls anymoreWhat does FLY do now? Do they even have it still?
It would be funny if a space marine used his glove to challenge a normal human to a duel of honor, but the blow accidentally killed him.
Marines shouldn't use rapiers because they are power armor knights.Long swords and maces + shields are more fitting and thematic.Also rapiers are french coded, aka mega gay and for fags.Only marines who should use rapiers are EC and DA because they are the dedicated faggot chapters/legions.
>>98058166And your father
>>98058178FLY currently gives two advantages: You may move through engagement range and over units and you may measure diagonals up and down from terrain.It no longer ignores vertical movement distance.
>>98058179If the marine's intention was a duel, he would not make the mistake of killing his opponent like that. Though that seems like something a chaos marine might do.
>>98058164No, not cleave *into*, cleave *through*. A power axe will puncture a space marine and reach their vitals, but they don't go through several of them in a single swing.You can't just whirl a power blade around and delete everything in your path. Goes through metal like a kitchen knife goes through leather: it pierces, but not with a bad strike.
>>98058179It could happen
>>98058190>but they don't go through several of them in a single swing.Why not?
>>98058179robin hood men in thighs moment
>>98058180>Long swords and maces + shields are more fitting and thematic.That shouldn't even work, but we're using magical materials from the future; the rapier is just as functional.
>>98058180>Needs all the reach they can get>Made in an era when swords were sidearms and main weapons were guns, and nobody wore any armour worth a damnThe Rapier is a guardsman officer's weapon
Fuck, so am I still retroactively made a fool for not having equipped every Sergeant with a power fist? Second edition in a row skipped if true. This was the biggest thing I was keen to find out about 11th
>>98058180>rapiers are french codedGuess Spain just doesn't exist, marines espaciales del chaos
I would never accept a duel with a fucking superhuman that fights toe to toe with demons and giant bugs
>>98058217Some units, probably not for all units.
>>98058217That Riptide is using a rapier stance!
katana>any other sword you can think of.
What keyword would a power rapier have to differentiate it from a power sword?
>>98058208Maces worked on steel armour, why can't power maces work on Ceramite plate?
>>98058233>a soft peasent killer blade that folds like a straw against any other weaponweeb please
>>98058227Coward
>>98058180>Also rapiers are french codedRapiers are from spain
>buy some models>oh yeah, I have no one to play the game withhow do I solve this problem?
>>98058252suicide.
>nurglings are 40 points and good>pink horrors are 140 points and shitHow is this fair
>>98058238Power rapier
>>98058227>Fighting a power fist marine is actually him just repeatedly trying to challenge you to a duel with his powered glove
>>98058252You paint more models and look up solo wargaming rules.You can also write your own rules and have /yourdudes/ fight hordes of enemies while defending NPCs and performing suicide missions.
>>98058227Krak grenade, go!
>>98058252Use your imagination to create your opponents.
>>98058117
>>98058252Go walk into traffic fully nude
>>98058257>>98058273>>98058280>>98058282I think I'll just try and get good at painting instead
>>98058252Check Poorhammer's Horde mode
>>98058252paint them and make little scenes like you did with action figures when you are 8 years old. duh.
>>98058252Buy more models and play with yourself
>>98058213Rapiers are literally pussy dueling weapons, long and heavy, meant to draw first blood and nothing more. I will take a saber every time, you can skewer my hand while i split your head open.
>>98058217Absolutely fucking nothing is changing. They're just going to have some split datasheets for "X with Y" like they already do.
>>98058226Sp*in is just southern France, I don't consider them separate
>>98058318You'll die without even making a cut, that's sad.
>>98058226>>98058245Spain needs better marketing.
>>98058324>0 geography knowledgeBased American
>>98058324Bitch, everyone knows that France is just the north of Spain.
>>98058342Alatriste was a great movie i wish Viggo would live enough to make a good paper at 40k
>>98058318>I have depicted myself as the calm and elegant duelist and you as the screeching barbarian therefore your argument is invalid
>>98058324Based Bourbon poster
>>98058340Even in your example he must lunge at the first leg in range and simply hope it is enough while the saber user is open to go right for his heart. Truly a nobleman's mistake of a weapon.
>$220 US Dollarydoos for 20 Vostroyan Guardsmen, a Command Squad, and a HWTI get the bullshit reasoning that the bundle is priced to match how much that same squad would be in plastic (2x10 Cadians at $53 each, a command squad at $48, and a HWT at $53 comes out to $207) but how the fuck do they think they can get away with charging $40 for a single HWT (Not a group of 3, one model)?I was gonna get a squad of 10 but even at $70 that feels egregious for 20 year old models that are a single part each.
You guys think if we'll get updated ogryns in 11th?I hope they take some design cues from Darktide, it'd be fun. Also hoping they'd get some weapon options based on DT, twin-linked stubbers and rumbler grenade launcher would be nice.
>>98058370i rather see every single regiment update rather than updated ogryns
>>98058180You're right. We need these back instead.
>>98058372Real guard players love ogryns, ratlings and rough riders
>>98058372Ogryns are cooler and have more soul than catachan.
>>98058376Im not saying i dont like them but regiments seems better.>rattlings I dont think we ever get those
>>98058367I spent close to a 1100 on them
>>98058382What about Vostroyans? And Mordians?
>>98058386Show me your games workshop webstore receipt
>>98058383Some were released this very edition.
>>98058117>>98058139>>98058373>Space marines do old Adeptus Mechanicus better
>>98058387Boring and useless shit we don't need.If you want them so badly, but 3rd party figures and then proxy the rules.
>>98058410They're way more interesting than cadians, yet here we are.
>>98058424Don't care.If you want your vostroyans so badly either buy 3rd party or the overprived the MTO resin crap.The choice is yours.
>>98058428Ofcourse you don't care. Since you're a newfag.
>>98058370The current Ogryn kit is still pretty modern by GW's standards, it's not going anywhere soon
>>98058238Precision or breaching.
>>98058410>>98058428Self-appointed hall monitor behavior
>Yarrick ostensibly dead at Ghaz's hands when his body was retrieved by Space Wolves and brought to their Wolf Priests>miraculously recovered and filled with vigor he hasn't known in years>at the same time he looks more sickly than ever and has a nagging feeling of unfamiliarity with his body>Space Wolves keep their distance from him, go quiet around him, eye him from afar, and refuse to explain his recoveryBruh he might be actually be a zombie
>>98058474Space wolves used xenos help
>>98058474Wouldn't be the first time a corpse bailed out the Imperium afterall.
>>98058474Runes
>>98055988>>98056039>>98056157>>98056177>Is the Black Legion just Chaos' equivalent to Deathwatch?>*S-tier renegades crashes their ship and plunders you in their path*Now you listen to me,James dub-ins anon. You got the makings of greatness in you, but you got to take the helm and say fuck chaos and emps and chart your own course. Stick to it, no matter the squalls! And when the time comes you get the chance to really test the cut of your sails, and show what you're made of... well, I hope I'm there, catching some of the light coming off you that day. Nevermind me weird chaos pet,
>>98057973Doom Rider is not "wreathed in warpfire".
>>98056486I have only a toaster and no money left for the foreseeable future, does og doom hold up and can I pretend that I'm the lion on a sekrit speshul mission to annihilate or does it not invoke 40k feeling at all
>>98057973If Doomrider drops with a new set of CSM Bikers I will Probably just get the Bikers for my Iron Warriors and get Doomrider as a painting project. Fuck Emperor's Children.
>>98058527Doomrider's model is over twenty fucking years old. It's probably changed a little since.
>>98058527The bikes of his wheels are described as being on fire.
>>98057036This is so fucking cool. Deathwatch should have more ayy trophies like this, it's weird you don't see it more.
>>98058545spic shit
>>98058555trophies are spic-coded now? what
How big will doomrider's tactical rock be?
is there a specific reason as to why Eyes of the Emperor wouldn't be joining the inquisition beyond "there is enough donut steel OCs and we don't want the inqusition to be TOO competent"?
>>98058576Has to be as big or bigger than this. I wonder if they say he's still a daemon prince. I can't remember the last time they made a man sized daemon prince.
>>98058597I'd say there's a good chance he's gonna be as big as wazdakka and be posed in a way to fit in a duel with the warboss.
rate this team
>>98058373Tried to find this earlier but I forgot the name and I only got pictures of videogame slop
>>98057260>Is the Cawl cylinder on space marine weapons a trade mark design mandated by gw?It's just there as a design choice to separate the newer models from older designs. Like they look very similiar, but it is a small detail to give cohesion.>Has any lore fluff been made about it?No. It's just there to look like a fun scifi greebly.In SM2 on some of the guns the cylinder thing spins, like plasma gun or auto boltrifle with the box magazine. For other guns it is just a static cover.I think making it spin in the game was kinda a meh choice. I think it's cooler as a static cover.
Are they really doing Armageddon with Yarrick and orks again as center piece to the new edition, how fucking boring can you get
The dark angels are here
>>98058609Cool/10I like how wide the ogryn is.
>>98058609>thx so much again for helping me find my bike, brothers-I mean mortals, sorry, force of habit
>>98058626I know this is an Invincible meme but I have no idea what it's supposed to mean.
>>98058609Boring techpriestGeneric tempestus scionle primarisle womanI bought the darktide arbites DLC so I put it in the artworkgeneric darktide ogrynIt's fucking garbage.Change the techpriest into a technoarcheologist or an imperial automataMake the guardsman into a rare regiment or even an afriel strainMake the WS into a mk2 veteranChange the SoB into a questing paladin palatineBounty hunter > arbitesGive the ogryn a personality, for fuck sake.
>>98058597I its pure fan shit but I do hope he'll have that fanart pose, surfing the bike and not riding it
>>98058609beret scions look awesome when not limited by squatted proportions
>>98058623Don't worry anon, GW will focus on Armageddon (still only the 3rd war btw) for few months at the start of 11th edition, and then quickly move onto the next Imperium vs Chaos fight that doesn't matter and nothing happens. :^)
>>98058626probably the most boring rendition of this meme I’ve ever seen.
>>98058636You sound annoying to be around.
>>98058626who's the artist?
>dark angels are supposed to have access to dakr age of technology weapons>that just means they have more plasma weapons
>>98058650It annoys you because it reminds you of how boring and empty you are.
>>98058652Mykyta Vasilchuk
>>98058659No, I just find your personality, or what simulacrum you have of it, grating.
>>98058661didn't she get stabbed on a train
>>98058656>We have more plasma weaponshellblasters lololol>We have the last imperial jetbikes*Shits out Antigrav tanks and jetbikes*Modern 40k is a farce and only retards think/pretend otherwise
>>98058626this is the single most astroturfed meme i've seen since pickle rick
>>98058668It wasn't a question.That's why you can only speak about how annoyed you are rather than be interesting in the first place.Like a boring little pond who abhors even the tiniest of waves.That's also why you shitpost on a mongolian clay sculpting forum. Nothing of value, not even to yourself.
>>98058656GW lacks creativity>>98058636100% agreed.>>98058609Generic >le epik team of one elite person from very different factions. As bland and dull fucking concord character line up.Arbites should be in a hive or at least a city doing his job. Admech priest tending to some vital machine like water purifiers or something. Sister should be praying and the space marine has a million better places to be than there. the scion and ogryn are the only two that should be aimlessly wandering through a battlefield,I hate how the space marine has a lens knocked out for the generic scar over one eye look. So generic and boring
>>98058671Jetbikes are just antigrav shit, and anti-grav has never been rare.
>>98058670Really?
>>98058678You getting heated about me calling you annoying and grating already tells me my post got under your skin.
>>98058661>Mykyta Vasilchukthx, this one rocks
>>98058683I don't care what you say, everything around picrel shows you're a fucking cretin.You are free to waste your breath I will give you nothing in return.
>>98058690I don't think "u mad lol" is showing me wrong.But thank you for showing everyone how easily upset and feeling attacked you get.It's not even you have nothing better to do, it's that you cannot do anything worthwhile. Frankly disgusting, it's like a parasite that can't even feed itself.
>>98058692that wasn't the only jetbike model because the jetbike tech was rarethe jetbike tech was rare because that was the only jetbike model
>>98058703Yup, mad.
>>98058692Jetbikes being rare was a retcon.Jetbikes not being rare is a return to tradition.
>>98058692That is a jetbike. And jetbikes work on anti-grav tech.
>>98058703NTA but this started with you excessively harshly criticizing a normie teamYou do suck and you are cringeIf you go so far down the pipeline of nerd shit that you can’t hang with normies any more it means you’re gayThat team is the type of team my boys would come up with and you’re like “umm ackshually the techpriest is generic and he should be a rare exotic technoarchaeologist from the poopieweenie system” like you’re just gay bro lmao
>>98058726I don't care if you think it's harsh, if you like garbage I don't want to be coddling you. You are a grown ass adult, you are not my kid.If you think anyone being "too harsh" to faggots online means something bad about them then you're exactly the problem here: petulent boring people who want the world to cater to them. You do not deserve it. You bring nothing to the table. All you want is to protect your own shitty little peace.Shut. The fuck. Up.
What a table
>>98058740Glub shitto mad.
>>98058752The GOATS. Back when Warhammer was still for straight white males.
>>98058740No anon you’re just a faggot and you’re taking make-believe way too serious lmaoIts weird how combative you are about this
>>98058740>petulent you do see the red lines when you type, right?
>>98058752AI slop, you can see that man has no arm.
>>98058752These war-loving boomers were never creative, they were just psychos who wanted to play war and pretend they were sending millions of kids to their deaths for their amusement. They don't need miniatures anymore, they can just play board games and hear the screams of dying innocents in their head.
>>98058767very good
>>98058756>>98058762>>98058764>u mad>lmao>spelling mistakeBehind the screen isn't even a man.
>>98058767:^)
>>98058776>hes still goingLmao
>>98058776>You are a grown ass adultbtw
Someone in this thread says that Pink Horrors suck. Why? Just not fielding enough of them?
>>98058781And you're still milking it. Like a kid trying to annoy his unloving, uncaring father to get his attention.Last (you), I'm bored.
>>98058656I wish their lore would move from just being about hunting fallen to cleaning up disasters of having used their dark age tech. Them basically taking it upon themselves to take on the most bleak and suicidal missions like they used to do when emps gave the orders directly, choosing to continue this on their own with the idea that "that's what he would have wanted", but the lost knowledge of how to properly use these weapons means there's chernobyl shit being left in their wake and they have to deny shit. >two hive cities engulfed by living fire, one moon engulfed by the warp fucking up the mother planet permanently, rising Ecclesiarch Hong Xiuquan figure crisis averted with plausible deniability, not great, not terribleWith the Lion back, this makes total sense that they'd be doing a personal secret war to change the imperium to what the emperor would have wanted and fighting their greatest enemies with radical means, where Gulliman is going for a more gradual diplomatic approach.For personal weapons though, is there anything really stopping them from giving them some unique unit equipped with radiaton weapons like admech but better or phosphex weapons or something
>>98058740Put the trip back on.
>>98058776>get called annoying>have a multiple post long meltdownYup, you sure showed OP
>>98058793>tfw a nigga rolls up to the function and his techpriests arent even technoarchaelogists
>>98058769you know, when people say "please think of the children", I used to be sympathetic, imagining elementary school-aged kids who deserve to be protected, but now I think about high-school-aged kids who deserve to be beaten until the only way they could possibly laugh like a cretin down the street at 2AM is by typing onto a keyboard.
should I play 3rd ed or 4th ed with 3rd ed codexes?
>>98058813Neither, both are meme formats. 5th edition codices with Horus Heresy core rules are the way to go
>>98058692never noticed the(storm)boltersDude's got some dakka
>>98058794I know phosphex weapons are basically extinct since the pattern got destroyed, but I wish they'd bring it back. Be it with Cawl reverse-engineering it or someone rediscovering the STC on some random forgeworld or in some administratum archive.Phosphex always sounded super cool and I liked how insanely destructive it's described to be.
>>98058813The latter. 4th rulebook is a bit clearer and terrain rules and rapid fire rules too
>>98058793>i'm boredYou lost.
>>98058808You sound pretty mad anon...
>>98058769I think the blue hair dye has leaked into your brain, you marxist scum
https://wahapedia.ru/wh40k10ed/factions/chaos-space-marines/Cultist-Mob-with-Firearms>Cabal of Chaos>Psykers near them give +1str to guns>all 'imperial guard' now have bolter equivalentswell, I found something>no mentioning the 6 special weapons per 20 have +1str
>>98058835I want to know what colony had such need for phosphex that they made enough hard copies of the schematics to survive to be discovered by the Imperium. I bet they spoke German there.
>>980588134th ed core, first 4 codexes of 4th (easy number to remember) which is Space Marines, Tyranids, Tau Empire, Black Templar. Then the rest use 3.5 codexes.>>98058819Absolute fucking faggot response. 5th had some of the worst codexes, both most annoyingly broken OP and most butchered and raped UP.
>>98058835It always becomes a bit of a problem with niche protection, DAs having a few of them left in ther cache would make sense, but if they use it then salamanders look like total jobbers when they should have the best fire stuff, and same if you give it to everyone else, then it's like they don't ge be uniquely good at it anymore...unless you give them super phosphex.
>>98057675It’s a good start. There’s no fucking reason that the redemptor with minigun should ever cost the same as redemptor with plasma cannon. The points were costed only at the most optimized wargear so it left so many wargear options and loadouts in the dust.More importantly it can cut the amount of datasheets in half now that every loadout can just cost different and coexist on a single sheet.
>>98058835just need to find that one intact STC.
>>98058636>Bounty hunter > arbitesThis is the lamest 90s edge I've ever seen kek, shit taste. Should have known from how buttblasted that post was though.
Does anyone have noise marines STL? i goon to slaanesh
>>98058860>Absolute fucking faggot response. 5th had some of the worst codexes, both most annoyingly broken OP and most butchered and raped UP.if you're playing older editions a codex being OP shouldn't matter since no one is being a WAAC fag, simply identify what is OP and either don't use it or use it in moderation. That is the intended way to play warhammer
Hot take: Ultramarines and Grey knights being mary sue is okay because they are the in to the grimdark for the 14 year olds out there and that corner is relegated to them
>>98058920if you aren't arguing you aren't going to be responded to, I've tried 4 different topics>TQI like Screamers. They have a cool rule of cool and they munch tanks.
>>98055956i buy tau because cool robots and i want a kroot mommy to pin me down and rape me, is that too crazy
>>98058953kroot are bred with kroot cum on their back from their palmsso basically a male puts his hands on a females back and jizzes on her>old original tau lore I do not care to find again
>>98058907>if you're playing older editions a codex being OP shouldn't matterThat's not how it works anon, I can tell you have barely ever played this game. Balance still impacts casual players when it's so completely out of whack that one codex is raped (like 5th ed Tyranids) and another is retarded strong (5th ed greyknights). You dont need to try to be WAAC to for one guy to get totally fucked over.5th ed codexes were also generally less flavorful too, like Grey Knights is not just OP but its bland ugly faggot shit next to its 3.5 predecessor Daemonhunters. Imperial Guard had a similar issue with OP leafblower shit while losing their 3.5 doctrines.No one should ever play 5th, it was the beginning of enshittification. Literally every problem we have today stems from GW breaking things more and more while trying to fix all the problems they made starting in 5th edition.
>>98058769>go play a board game with lads on weekend>someone on Internet calls you a Hitler
>>98058769Why are you even here
>>98058962let me have a FANTASY man cmon bro CMON please i NEED this
they should make a deldar boat that has no real guns but a really big prowand have the 'side gunners' be massive grappling harpoon gunsand the boat does an unreasonable amount of damage on the charge and lets the guys embarked within hop out at the start of combat.
>>98058576>>98058597I said it last week but I sincerely believe they'll have his bike coming out of a massive swirly portal that retards will say counts for line of sight.
>>98058991they are rapidly evolving though>that just means they ate a lot of humans, however
>>98058998Don't give GW ideas, that sounds like an idea for a new Primaris Land Raider variant
>>98058767kek
>>98058998It's still crazy to me that they lost shock prows and boarding ramps rules, both of which are modelled onto their ships, and have them to spacemarine and guard vehicles instead
>>98059053>some fag at GW (probably Cruddace) removes upgrades from xenos THAT HAVE BITS IN THE KIT which now do nothing>gives those abilities to Imperium shit that DOES NOT HAVE THE BITSSame as it ever was... same as it ever was...
Was there a correction posted from GW for the controversial statements made during the Q&A yesterday?
>>98059070>controversial statements made during the Q&A yesterday?Wut?
>>98059070All of the loyalist primarchs except Guilliman and Lion are dead, anon. It's now directly out of GWs mouth. Seethe and cry about it.
>>98059073Even if that were true was a disastrous statement to make. Oh well guess they don’t want money.
>>98059073>All of the loyalist primarchs except Guilliman and Lion are deadNah.
>>98059076Primarchs are losing them money because for every Timmy that buys one (and only one, no one buys multiple copies of the same unique character) you have people who get put off Warhammer and stop playing entirely who would have bought entire armies, because they're sick of seeing fucking Primarch slop every 2000 point game.
>>98059008they can eat as many as they want as long as i get my big titty kroot mommy bro
Me n da boyz just play xenosThis game is so much more fun without marinepiggie slop every game
>>98059102Does GW make xenos-only or xenos-focused side games like gorka morka anymore? When was the last one?
>>98059106Anon they hardly do specialist games AT ALL anymore, let alone a xenos one.
>>98059102Bro story, cool...
>>98059108I'd love to see them make a fun/silly side game in 40k like bloodbowl.
>>98059116We have too much unexplored space for serious cool sidegames to waste it on a 40k bloodbowl. I'd much rather have Battlefleet Gothic or proper Epic (not the horus heresy garbage of Legions Imperialis) or bring back Aeronautica or do Commorragh Undercity spin-off of Necromunda or any of the other old ideas they had for games.
>>98059082That is the 3rd edition mainline lore though. So you're in the "cope you're honestly just screwed" stage.
>>98059070>controversial statements made during the Q&A yesterday?>clearly a jokeIt saddens me that you managed to find two a ons retarded enough to fall for your b8
>>98059142No you’re just too stupid to recognize how controversial his “jokes” were. They need to retract his statement but they seem to be trying to just move on quickly and ignore it.
>>98059127>proper Epic (not the horus heresy garbage of Legions Imperialis)Words cannot describe how quickly I would have pulled out my credit card if they announced this with xenos factions at the start.
>>98059070>>98059073Niggas they just teased perturabo like last month
>>98059157Daemon Primarchs have always been around you dumb shit, the post you're responding to literally says LOYALIST
>>98059151>They need to retract his statementThey don't need to do anything. (You) are the only one taking an obvious joke seriously.
>>980591283rd edition mainline is cope. It challenges my preconceived notion of 40k, therefore it is not canon.
>>98059164There are no loyalist primarchs, they are all warp entities of somekind. Aka they are daemons and all daemons are traitors + heretics.
>>98059170Plenty of people had a problem with what was said just check the comments you dumb ape.
>>98059192>THE CHAOS GODS ARE BUT FAKE GODS, TRAITORS TO THE ONE TRUE CHAOS GOD WE CALL THE EMPEROR>AS YOURSELF WHY IN SPITE OF ALLEGED CONFLICTS, THEY ALWAYS TEAM UP AND WHY EVERCHOSENS AND ABADDON/HORUS MANAGED TO GET THEM TO WORK TOGETHER AGAINS THE EMPEROR? WHY THEY'RE ALWAYS THE SAME AND UNCHANGING IN AESTHETIC OR VIBE DESPITE CALLING THEMSELF "CHAOS"?>IT'S BECAUSE THEY ARE BUT GODS OF ORDER, WHO BACKSTABBED OUR ONE TRUE CHAOS GOD-EMPEROR AND KEPT HIM IMPRISONED IN TERRA>ALL THE PRIMARCHS ARE TRAITORS, THE ONES OPENLY SERVING THE FALSE CHAOS GODS OR THE PRETEND LOYALISTS KEEPING HIM ALIVE AND UNABLE TO REINCARNATE>SEE THE TYRANIDS COMING TO TERRA, THEY ARE THE EMPEROR'S ATTEMPT TO DESTROY HIS MORTAL PHYSICAL PRISON AND RECLAIM HIS RIGHTFUL PLACE FROM THE USURPERS>WE MUST EXTERMINATUS TERRA IMMEDIATELY IN THE NAME OF OUR BELOVED CHAOS EMPERORI always knew that the High Lords were all secret heretics keeping him from reincarnating.
>>98059070Russ is confirmed dead
Any ideas if the old warbosses are closer to the new sculpt or the bigboss? Do I need to buy a replacement for my Black Reach boy or no?
>>98058717This was changed by the OGs though so it's a proper retcon, not a "female custodes" nuGW fanfiction retcon.
>>98059116I've seen a fun suggestion here of like a Commorragh Arena Teams/Mercenaries kind of deal where all the factions can have a competitive gladiator blood sport team of some form. Maybe something like that cancelled Dark Nexus MOBA but in tabletop form.
>>98059232Closer to big bossYou can always rebase anyway.
>>98058145Your joke is nonsensical because the price is rape even for a character.
>>98059116They should just keep expanding blood bowl by adding to the roster of teams 40k stuff as well.
Anybody know places with the old-style armoured sentinel still in stock? I have a few already and want them to match
>>98059070For me the most controversial statement was how they want to stay away from soups.
>>98059310
>>98059310I like soups a lot :(
I really don't understand why people are overreacting to this detachment so much. It gives Assault to blight launcher drones and myphitics. That's sorta nice, but people are pretending this is the most gigabroken shit ever and it's just an extra d6'' movement on two units, that already are reasonably fast anyway. The HBL will still have to contend with Hidden and Myphitics in my experience didn't have much problem getting in range to shoot at stuff.
Where can I get recast Vostroyans if I don't want to buy from russia and would prefer to avoid buying from China if possible?
>>98059333That's my take as well. Helbrutes could use the speed but they want to be getting into melee so this isn't super helpful. Overall doesn't feel like I'd bother with this one. In general, the DG stuff felt either bland or off-theme.
>>98059341you're in luck nigga:https://www.warhammer.com/en-US/made-to-order
>>98059327Why is it bait?
>>98059348Because its a retarded statement. Soups were fucking terrible, and the only way I can imagine someone liking it is if they never played in an edition where it was common.
Holy fuck the Vostroyan MTO is expensive.What do I need to buy to get 1 of each sculpt?
>>98059333it makes them faster than existing fast armies
>>98059355Please elaborate.
>>98059367No.
>>98059346Recast.
>>98059367Soup led to a lot of oppressive nonsense combos and GW is already bad enough at balancing within a faction.
Wondering what will happen to these ugly niggas now
>>98059357The industrial might of the east.
>$410 for a platoon, a squad, 2 snipers, 1 mortar team, and 1 heavy bolter team>this is the cheapest price to get all the sculptsI don't know. I was excited for the MTO but I'm thinking about skipping. On the other hand, I could sell them if I don't end up painting them and probably even make a nice profit.
>>98059355nta but maybe they should just have fixed the synergies and abuse potential rather than nuke a fun thing
>>98059423See>>98059397>GW is already bad enough at balancing within a faction.
Bring him back you cowards
>>98059357buy them or shut the fuck up about them
Fuck vostroyans. Give me Ultramar Auxilla.
>>98059436I think your lord should get chaos gifts and ascend/get spawn'd in the middle of battle/campaign
>>98059439Sure, but you get a Lord Calgar as the supreme commander
>>98059239That's cope and you know it.
Are daemons just a really unpopular faction or something? It feels like they're even less supported and updated than most xenos despite being usable in a whole extra game system. Kinda feels like no one wants to play them as a pure faction and they should have just stayed part of Chaos Marines.
>>98059438>is that warhammer discussion?>In a warhammer thread?!?!?What's with the seethe lol
>>98059436
>>98059439ftfy
>>98059457>no official base size kino
>>98059453been spamming every thread about themeither buy them or fuck off
>>98059448Not at all, it was literally changed by the time 2md edition released when all the real original 40k creators were working there and it was their own idea. Factions had been really rough and still finding their identity in the first 2-3 years (harlequins had fucking land raiders, guardsmen could take shuriken catapults, etc) but as things started getting locked down they decided it made more sense to make jetbikes as primarily part of the eldars more advanced tech identity and tale them away from imperials.
>>98059468Decal...
>>98059436Shame they got rid of this iconic sculpt desu
>>98059463>tactical rockRubble of Calth*
>>98059463We have a competitor
>>98059439Genuinely kill yourself >>98059468>Why are people talking about the most requested MTO now that it's close to release???Fuck off mutant
>>98059468uh oh, anti-guard schizo meltie.
>>98059463>Crying about tactical rocksPerformative faggotry, indicative of /v/ermin invaders
>>98059470>>98059480Or maybe im not that guy maybe I dislike every thread being filled with the same shit
>>98059439>>98059463I'm surprised they didn't give us a ultramar auxilia kit, maybe in killteam
>>98059480I want to play space romans though.
>>98059485shove a tactical rock up your ASS
>>98059488>I'm not him I just impotently seethe about discussions not being my approved topics like he doesMaybe you should go back to r*ddit then
>>98059436Profile is still there and the model is on the ToW section whats stopping you from playing it? My demon list uses two.
>>98059499People who try to use Legends at my LGS get raped in the ass
The only people who cry about tactical rocks are people who have no creativity in basing
>>98059497you're never getting a new vostroyan kit LOL
>>98059447
>>98059506literally the opposite, I have a plan for basing that doesnt include the boring rocks they always include that take up extra space on the sprue that you pay for instead of getting extra head/other options
>>98059507I don't want new ones, the old ones are perfectly in scale with modern guard and will look better anyways, that's why I bought two of the platoons and several more boxes of infantry for them and will be buying more singles to fill out my halftrack
>>98059485extra head sculpt or even a weapon option could have been used instead btw
>>98059439I mean it does look pretty goddamn cool
>>98059524As someone who doesn't care for either Guard or Ultramarines this would be a pretty cool and easy aesthetic for them to support.
>>98059524Looks like a kid trying larp as a soldier in his dads uniform
>>98059504I don't play at a LGS I play with a small group of friends so I guess I'm blessed
>>98058252Join your local facebook group
just put magnets in my dorn proxy
>>98059562>dorn proxyNah nigga I'm running the malcador annihilator as is, fuck the dorn
>>98059506I don't care so much about basing not to be annoyed that I have(want) to waste putty on removing stupid-looking tactical rocks
>>98059506>creativity in basing>it's just a different rock or rock stand-inwow
what is everyone working on today? I'm continuing my admech conversions while farting like a mexican, not sure what is going on down there.
>>98059569are legends surviving the jump to 10.5ed?
>>98059588we warned you about indian food
>>98059611They better
>>98059359assault on 2 models isn't what makes an army "fast", it's wide access to advance + charge, high base Movement stats, uppy downy, reactive moves, etc. DG still has extremely limited access to that
>>98059611Well they'll uh, stay legends, if that's what you mean.
>>98059510Looks blood bowl ready
>>98059640don't death guard have 6 inch deepstrike + charge and many, many ways to get infiltrate
How are Cadians still breeding
>>98059729They fuck on the ships between deployments.
>>98059729
>>98059524>>98059439Fielding Ultramar Auxilia should be Ultramarines gimmick, their niche which would truly make them an unique subfaction. And not a codex defiant unique Marine units like Victrix Guard
>>98059729Because Cadia stand?
>>98059729>theory 1actual cadians are borderline extinct, and many regular guardsmen have been shoved into cadian regiments as a morale booster to make them appear invincible. >theory 2the imperium has given habitable planets over to the cadians british-israel style in order for them to have land to recover their population. >theory 3 cadians are secretly running breeding farms or using cloning to fast track their population back to pre-13th black crusade numbers.>theory 4 GW doesn’t give a fuck about worldbuilding lol.
>>98059764wtf is this guy complaining about? who is ferran areios?
>>98059772The one, the only.
>>98059771Theory and is probably the biggest reason.Though I think cadian now just means a guard training standard and I think gw said a lot of guard regiments around the imperium mimic the cadian training and uniform/gear so they didn’t have to sell too many different guard models and keep pumping out space marine stuff.
>>98059778okay so hes a black ultramarine? what did he do before becoming a marine that this dude is tripping about. all you did was post an image with the word nigger and told me nothing.
>>98059771There was a return to Cadia book, and at the end it confirms Creed has founded a New Cadia and is starting to rebuild.
>>98059771every single cadian that survived the fall of cadia got told that breeding is their #1 job and they colonized like 50 New Cadians
>>98059771Are you a fucking retard. There have been like 2 books and 5 short stories about Cadians resettling new worlds or having new generations not raised on Caidia in the ranks. It's even mentioned in SM2, it's literally like one of their 2 character traits as a faction. Holy newfag.tl;dr some cadians are losing the purple eyes on the new planets and others aren't. there are multiple "new cadias". the ones without purple eyes don't have the chaos resistance of the ones that do.
>>98059795literal reddit /r/40klore sóyjak over here
>>98059785>all you did was post an image with the word nigger and told me nothing>implying there is more to say
>>98059772>my zealous, indoctrinated, child soldier space knights created by megalomaniac dictator to genocide species and conquer galaxy... are evil? How could this happen?
>>98059771It's all of them probably.
Why blow up cadia in the first place when it's such a nothingburger
>>98059807the post I was originally replying too literally had more to say, and I was asking for context about what he was screeching about. You probably dont actually now and are just masturbating about saying nigger online
>>98059815Because Abaddon is a redditor.
>>98059815it was kind of cool. "THE PLANET BROKE BEFORE THE GUARD DID" etc etc
did i not mix it enough, the temperature or just distance/motion?
>>98059771>>theory 2>the imperium has given habitable planets over to the cadians british-israel style in order for them to have land to recover their population.It's actually this in the fluff currently. Imperium did give them a new planet so they can continue their culture and keep creating soldiers for the Imperium.Also it just makes sense. Cadia was a very important and prestigious Imperial Guard homeworld that was very often the first line of defence against the encroachement of Chaos during the past 10 000 years whenever there was an incursion from the Eye of Terror. This also meant that Cadia held a lot of political power within the Imperium too.So the Highlords/Guilliman/whoever the fuck, giving the surviving Cadians a new planet to settle on after the old one turned to gravel makes sense.Also also, most people never think about it or even realize it, but it has been stated in the lore that there are MORE cadians OUTSIDE of Cadia itself, then there were actually on it.And this has been stated before, it also makes perfect sense again, since Cadia as a fortress world still paid the Imperial Tithe. And they did this in the form of manpower and sending regiments out into the rest of the Imperium to fight Imperium's wars.And they have done this for like 10 000 YEARS probably.So yeah, no shit there's MORE cadians outside of the planet of Cadia.
>>98059771>>98059794Commissars in the Adeptus Breeditorum critique Cadian breeding maneuvers on the New Cadian colony worlds among the Eugenic Stars.
>>98059878>>98059878>>98059878
>>98058924I'll be sure to ragebait next time.
>>98059439>>98059524a bit more greek, but I always thought these could be a cool ig honor guard
>>98059611yes, explicitly confirmed
