"When It Rains, It Pours" EditionArchives & Other Resources: https://rentry.co/cyoagAllsync: https://cyoa.allsync.com/s/owWor64yLTngDk3Previous thread: >>98047079
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Rolled 70, 35, 11 = 116 (3d78)>>98057053>"Hey DM, give me a dungeons and dragon's game, but hold the blood, violence against animals, and military violence.">"Hold the Violence? Okay, you start in a tavern during a dark and stormy night-">"And hold the alcohol, and all natural disasters.">"Hey /tg/ this guy wants a D&D game with NOTHIN"
>>98057115>Native>Flood>Disability>ZombiesA great storm has washed down upon the Tablelands, and the clay soil makes it perfect for flash floods! To make matters worse, the flood has washed away the great stone blocking off the Necropole of Nolifia, unleashing a horde of the zombies within. Fortunately they are slow, but they are many, presenting an undead tide to contrast the natural one. Fortunately, (You) would probably be able to survive by yourself, but along the way you see a little girl who's fallen down and has trouble getting up. Judging by the way she's plaintively calling out for help, she's probably blind, and suddenly it clicks; she was a burden, and so she was cast aside as a distraction for the zombies. Being an elegan/tg/entleman, you grab her with your best Arnie impression (komm wiv me if yoh wan to lihv) and try to find a way to ford the raging stream ahead of you so you can use one disaster to ward off another.
Post Danmachi
>>98057156NoFuck offYou need to GO
how's it going today, fellas?
Rolled 73, 14, 21 = 108 (3d78)>>98057053
>>98057256All hell breaks loose as sewer gas lights, a holocaust throughout the city. Rats driven up from its bowels, manholes blown open, buildings join the conflagration. An amenable guard sets me free from the burning asylum
Hai u guise
Peak animation incoming
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>>98057049Red woman > blue guy > yellow guy > green woman
>>98056787Here you go: https://imgchest.com/p/5xy2m5wqn7l
>>98057270>An amenable guardI read that as amoeba guard, some blue and green guy with a spear and a concerned look on his amoeba face.
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>>98057763Extremely DnD coded.
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>>98057766Arcane II my beloved...
>>98057763How does the rolling for Sorcery powers work?
>>98057839It doesn't, so pick something else
>>98057839 You roll for a section (referring to the colour of the number in the bottom right of the school) and then roll for a school within that section.
>>98057763>PathWizardry>ComplicationsNotoriousDeathAssassin>PowersPlanescaping (I, II, III)Divination (Prophecy)Meta Magic (Blood Magic)Arcane Item (I, II, Artifact)Necromancy (I, II, III)Enhancement (Mental Buffs)>WorldA God Among MenPlan is to just disappear into my personal dimension, speed up time as much as I can, and don't come out until I've achieved unfathomable power.
>>98057937Humans can physically survive for decades in total isolation, provided they have food, water, and shelter. However, psychologically, severe isolation can cause mental deterioration in just a few weeks. Humans are profoundly social creatures, and severe long-term loneliness carries mortality risks equivalent to smoking up to 15 cigarettes a day.
>>98057946Lmao, okay normie.
>>98057946NTA but introduce magical internet to the world and just be a terminally online neet talking to other dimensional campers.
>>98057946If I really need to I can just bring a few undead in, or make an artifact for it, or potentially add some living creatures to my dimension directly.
>>98057998>>98058006weak wills for wizards
>>98057937>goon cave cultivation
>>98058063>gooning never once mentionedhungry man thinks of bread
>>98058063this is something you can do in my wip cyoa..
>>98058100>cyoag>not gooningtheoretically possible but very unlikely>>98058110cool, when will you release Be The Monke CYOA?
>>98058134Not for a long time, I've got alot of work to do on it
>>98058183Rafiki TribeNature vs Nurture (+1 VM, +1 J)Black Magic (+4J, -2 All others)Idol (+2J)Peace of Mind (+1 Ev +1J +1N)Sartere's Last Wish (+2 J)10 RitualistsAlistarPolyphemusThe Chosen OneGoing all in on Juju. We're sorcerer monkeys and we'll cast mass charm primates, then sacrifice them to blow up anyone who resists.
Gil…*sobs*
bweh
Anyone know if there are any fun cyoas?
>>98058879There arent.
I love adding visual gags to my CYOAs
>>98058899Very nice formatting. But are you making a cyoa or trying to make a tabletop game?
>>98058899I know this is gonna be a really well made cyoa but since it's set in a chaos flame world and not a Ranni after story I really can't draw out any interest for it.
>>98058908I will let my aside from the mystery box origin speak for me.>>98058911I have yet to hear an argument from someone about how ranni could survive or come back after her betrothed burned both of them in the chaos flame. Emphasis on yet.
>>98058879This one has "fun" in its name.
>>98058925Is her soul still bund to the erdtree? Is the tree still burning? If the rune of death was not used, i don't know if she still count as never ever.Her old body may still serve as a catalyst somehow? Man fuck you honestly(racking my brain ova ere)
>>98058950We have a doll carver in the game already who will restore her form, and use his knowledge to aid the player.>Is her soul still bound to the erdtree?She is as burned as the Lord of Flame, if there is any of her left, it is a charred thing.>Is the tree still burning? Yes, it's embers fall to the ash of the world and awaken adventurers of times long since burned away. >If the rune of death was not used, i don't know if she still count as never ever.All is expected to melt away in the heat of the Frenzied Flame, though the rune of destined death was used to access the Erdtree.
>>98058925>I have yet to hear an argument from someone about how ranni could survive or come back after her betrothed burned both of them in the chaos flameHer betroved wouldn't do that. He (I) love her more than anything in the world I don't care how many people she genocided
has the elden ring cyoa released
>>98058935When has a 1 page cyoa ever been fun?
>>98058989Apologies, work is slow but progressing.Tasks completed:Draft Outline.Build combat system.Create all class starting weapons.Create Basic Origins.Create Mystery Box OriginCreate all Non-class starting weapons options..Tasks to complete:Create all class armors.Create all starting talismans options.Create all Non-class starting spells options.Create all starting item options.Create all starting Spirit Ashes options.Create all starting Ash of War options.Create Class descriptions.Create Male/Female Descriptions.Create God in Concert/Consort Lord Descriptions.Compile all intro Origins, sex, goal, classes, and all items into first page.Create combat explanation page (presented as a literal page the crestfallen warrior hands you.)Create tutorial battle.Create Map page and area descriptions.Convert draft notes into specific area locations and choices.Convert draft notes into companions.Convert draft notes into field bosses.Convert draft notes into area bosses.Convert draft notes into final area/boss.Convert draft notes into all items for the above.Convert draft notes into Fort page and Doll Creation page.Create Elden Rune creation explanation/page.
>>98058985Sadly, this is a continuation of my first run through of elden ring, not yours.
>>98059002>He chose the chaos flame and became a slave of the 3 fingers like a retardlmao, this maidenless guy.
>>98058994knowing you're working on it is good enoughgood luck
>>98058990Is it funnier now?
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>>98059029No no no! "Fun" does not mean funny you fool! I want a fuhn cyoa, an enjoyable cyoa, something fun I want to play and adventure in not a joke!
>>98058899Question for origins. Would we be able to import our characters from other souls games? Ex. (You)r chosen undead from DS1, (you)r hoonter from booodborne. And if so, do we keep our equipment?
>>98059085 (me)I need to clarify. Im aware that the origin section does contain the protagonist from other games (bearer of the curse, ashen one, etc). Im just wondering if its (you)r chosen undead, or just a random chosen undead from another world if that makes sense
>>98057053This is just above a menu being posted as a cyoa and it's not even a cyoa it's ryoa crap. Here's a fucking cyoa for you.Open your fridge like the faggot you are.Close your eyes and grab something.That's your new waifu.Poke something and see what it is.That's the adventure land you're going to because you died of food poisoning.GG
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>>98059085>>98059090The implication is that it's (you)r hero from those games here to set things right. But no to the carrying over of items, you just tweak the character rules for that run.If there's something you want to find in the game though, I can find a place for that, so (you) can actually have something that (you) carried in yourself.
>>98058925>I will let my aside from the mystery box origin speak for me.Board game. Got it. Theres nothing wrong with that mind you, but its definetly a "stylistic departure" from most cyoa
>>98059111Aint nothing fun about posting a menu or a ttrpg table and shitting some numbers on it. Have some self respect.
>>98059123To me, board games require some kind of randomization element. This is a question of degrees, though I have strayed further into those murky waters, I will admit.
>>98059132>To me, board games require some kind of randomization elemenUsually sure (determinism is bad for replayability), so theres usually some sort of "randomness" to shake things up. But the resolution is usually deterministic. CYOA generally tend towards the hard "narrativist" approach, closer to something like freeform rp.
>>98059132Please spend more time learning what a cyoa is before attempting to make a cyoa, we play cyoas here
>>98059125Getting a random one of thousands of possible daydreaming prompts is fun, I think. In the same way that rolling for A Life's Chronicle and extropolating from there was- just far lower effort, but there too is a far lower investment from the reader.
>>98058968Is there even something on elden ring that deals in souls?
>>98059140>>98059141Fair opinions, but this is my home and the tradition I come from. Once I've made my 7-10 pngs, it will be over and if it's not liked it can be let go. This is also partially in response to a cyoa I played a few months ago where I spent a few hours optimizing stats on a team thinking the the last page was seeing how well you do in a tournament. But there was no payoff for tracking the stats.
I don't really get it... why choose a setting where everything is literally destroyed or about to be destroyed with basically no way to stop it? Did you understand what the frenzied flame ending was about?
>>98059183Everything getting destroyed and fighting through the ruins it left behind is Dark Souls in a nutshell. Voidsoul is making a what if Elden Ring was rendered Dark Souls CYOA and I'm excited to see it.
>>98059183Melana rides away saying she will bring Dustined Death to the player character. I am making the sequel to that outcome which I know they never will. The Frenzied Flame is the wage for the original sin of the world. Every other character is trying to mend the world, to suppress it. Perhaps there is hope in letting it burn. something whole may arise From the Ashes.>>98059183Yeah he put it better than I did.
>>98059204There's a difference between the gradual decay and rebirth from the ashes of the world Dark Souls and the utter anihilation and exctinction of all life in the world in its entirety in Elden RingThe frenzied flame leaves no ruins left to save, its a choice nihilistic retards chose
>>98059222You are going into the cyoa.
>>98059250You can't make me, if you dare try I'll just sartre myself out
>>98059255too late, see you in the Albinauric Rise
>>98059262No! No! Send me back! Lady Ranni!! Lady Ranni save meeee!!!!
>>98059266ranni backwards is innar
>>98059262would probably be more thematic for the doll carver to be a marionette maker than some random dollfag
>>98059291>random dollfagrude
>>98059291they are a two man team. one carves, the other animates.
>>98059182What youre making sounds closest in spirit to those cyoa books. "go to page 5 if you turn left, page 12 if you turn right" where everything is quite deterministic. It sounds interesting, but the risk of determinism is that it can be therefore "deterministically solved", theres an objectively correct in such situations (and books). Whether thats because "going left has you die to an ogre" or "the scimitar has the best numbers mathematically and is therefore simply superior to the greatsword or axe". This is also where randomness comes in (or in a game "the gameplay"). You can have the "objectively correct" build in a game like elden ring and still lose, or have a subpar build and win. Because fights in games are NOT deterministic. Likewise in games theres randomness introduced to have it be that even if theres an "objectively correct" way to do things and solve, the game, you might not have access to the pieces to make it happen and working with subpar tools is what you have to do. In CYOA books its about a lack of information, you dont KNOW that picking left leads to an ogre that kills you. In a cyoa, where you are generally assumed to have perfect knowledge and have by necessity "perfect access" (thats the "choose" part after all) its rather dangerous. But lets see how you manage, it might be a really novel maybe even "genre defining" work, it certainly looks pretty. Although I would drop the 4th wall breaking aside, I personally find them distasteful and distracting, nothing takes you out of a cyoa/setting like the author wink wink nudge nudging you through the screen to remind you its all just fake pngs on a forum.
>>98059183>>98059250Kek. The concept of a Frenzied Flame denials is funny as hell. Encountering some man claiming that everyone else is wrong about the apocalypse, and when pressed to see what his insights on its meaning are, he just says all of the people you've met are delusional about it being the Frenzied Flame because the real Frenzied Flame would've erased everything. I'm not sure if it would be funnier if he was disappointed it wasn't real, relieved it wasn't true, or paranoid that it's still out there.
>>98059401Hes right though, the frenzied flame is basically evangelion instrumentality. The dissolution of self on a global scale.
>>98059391I like playing CYOAs blind, to me it's most fun when it's an optimization puzzle with the pressure of not knowing what's next - the star wars 1000 years of war one that came out a few weeks ago was fun going through it that way. I'm building it so that the bar is low enough that most builds can make it so long as tools are used wisely, but high enough that it's not a mindless experience. As for the wink wink, the mysterybox option will explicitly say that it will take you out of the experience a bit, as a warning, when the hint about it pops up after the other origins. I may yet take it out, but the frame used for it had a lot of empty space and I wanted to put something there.>>98059405>>98059405Clearly he isn't a true Lord of Frenzied Flame, the REAL Lord of Frenzied Flame would have melted the world away instantly. REAL Frenzied Flame has never been tried.
>>98059424>Clearly he isn't a true Lord of Frenzied Flame, the REAL Lord of Frenzied Flame would have melted the world away instantly. REAL Frenzied Flame has never been tried.The player character is meant to be the true lord of frenzied flame that Midra wished he was...
All starting armor sets are done, now tine to make talismans.>>98059446And yet Melina escapes. I understand the metaphysics of what you're describing, that the in the FF utopia all blends back together. But we aren't show that. Things just get worse, everything is on fire, and that idealized dream is stopped so long as there is will to oppose it. I have not come here to praise the LoFF, but to bury him.
>>98057558Thanks. Don't forget to put a title.
Midra wasn’t a lord of frenzied flame until the very last second. He endured it until you barged into his house like an idiot.
>>98059486"I'm gonna be the lord of frenzied flame and destroy everything! O-oh but all my friends will be fine, and I won't actualy destroy the world like the entire philosophy of the frenzied flame entails, I'll just destroy it alittle with the uncontrolable flame that's already wiped out everyone in the lands between. I did if for my waifu after all, my waifu who despises me because In was to stupid to understand what being marked by the 3 fingers meant and just blindly followed their commands. whoopsie teehee~">>98059486>that the in the FF utopia all blends back togetherBrother... pay more attention to the lore there is no life after FF, it 'ends all births' becasue life is suffering so all life must end
>>98059508Brother do you not understand the kabbalah?Of course everything stops, it's about re-uniting with God to become God.
>>98059519The kabbalah? What does kabbalic mysticism have to do with Elden Ring? I thought its roots were mostly Buddhist, as per the sustained shirikodama allusions in the Loathsome Dung Eater.
>>98059424>the REAL Lord of Frenzied Flame would have melted the world away instantlyYea, kinda, thats why that ending has you crumble away when the flame is released.
>>98059505>Midra wasn’t a lord of frenzied flameYes>until the very last secondNo.Midra was never a true lord, he was too weak and couldnt handle it.
>>98059424>the mysterybox option will explicitly say that it will take you out of the experience a bit,That itself already does that though. "hey this is going to get meta so avoid if you dont like it" is itself getting meta. The allusion to immersion and the breaking thereof breaks immersion.
>>98059578I interpreted different inspirations in different portions of the game. Perhaps due to the instrumentality project being rooted in kabbalah.>>98059580You know, I hadn't watched the ending in years since I beat the game. In my brain she was riding the yak, not picking his burning charm.>>98059596Fair.
>Everyone shitting on voidsoul's cyoa for being set in the dead frenzied flame world.Heh, me and my beloved wife Ranni 1, Frenzied fools 0being a doll chad is just one easy win after another
>>98059614based and dollpilled
>>98059614I will not kneel, but I recognize your strength.
>>98059607Its funny you mention instrumentality. Because thats also very much "the end of the end of the world".
>>98059614>>98059665Ah, but such is thy folly would-be Ranni romeos. In the end, as you hold your toy turned more in your arms and she holds you in her doubled limbs, you will not be able to look into your lover's eyes, for she only has the one.
>>98059614Can't they just recreate a custom companion that's exactly like their waifu? If I understand it correctly Ranni is a doll.
Starting Charms done.I've worked on this for 5 hours. How is time passing so quickly with so little getting done?Oh well, back to shitposting.>>98059680It's the only ending where things get worse. If I wanted to re-use elden ring assets, it's the only ending I could use. The Player gets to create an order to place before the flame.>>98059698The dollchads have even psyoped me into giving them doll companions.
>>98059691Are you seriously implying one should just make a false copy of Ranni and be be satisfied?
>/v/ waifufagsShit thread.
>>98059716Never. That would be sacrilege, even for thou deviants.
>>98059712>It's the only ending where things get worse.Age of poo? Goldmask ending?"things get worse" in the age of chaos ending, but thats because you just erased the boundary of self, ending everything as chaos takes the world and everyone shares in suffering together. Enjoy your fanta, it comes in grape.
>>98059712>psyoped me into giving them doll companionsyayayayaya, there is only one doll fren >>98059614 got the gist of it.
>>98059719Eh, they're bumping the threads. It reminds me of that cyoa Beri once did, about the eldritch entities having multiple partners AND being wholly devoted to them. I guess that's the nature of a waifu.
>>98059747>>98059712Yeah, desu even with doll companions I still wouldn't play your cyoa. There's simply no way I, as Lady Ranni's consort, would have ever allowed the frenzied flame to emerge. It's just a completely impossible thought.
>>98059757Make a DLC yourself about coming from an alternative timeline ala Nightreign.
>>98059767Ignoring the theory that Nightreign is set prior to the events of Elden Ring and thus I would have joined Ranni to usher in her Age of Stars with my nightfarer doll wife Revenant and again would not let the Frenzied Flame come about, I might be willing to play if that were the situation. Somehow bringing back Ranni so we can run off on a thousand year journey and leave the lands between to burn
>>98059750When you think about it, waifus are a quantum superposition of cuckoldry. On one hand, dozens of anons are cucking you every time they have sexo with your waifu. On the other, you are cucking dozens of anons every time you have sexo with their waifu. It is an ouroboros of intimacy turned to an all-anon-encompassing spiral twisting, contorting across the span of space and time. Unless you go by the assumption other anons and their adventures do not exist, which is a solipsistic albeit sound approach. That is one of the subtler brilliances of EntropistAnon and, I wager, the brunt of the reason why his waifus were spoken of so fondly for so long. Despite being explicitly mass-produced through a template, by a brief few dozen words of exposition, EA rendered them individualised for anons. In one fell stroke, the Gifts went from abstract, waifus as-choice to visceral, waifus as-chosen. Such depths of yearning fulfilled so deftly won him the loyalty of myriad many anons. And where has it gotten us? A status quo, shifted. A dry once floodland, given a trickle of rain. Precious downpour the sweetest of succour for anons dying of thirst- not for base water, but condensation of the heart.
>>98059823The reality I am with my waifu in is unique, nobody can step over the barrier one's own personal conscious reality. When I speak of "my waifu" I speak of my personal conception of her, my personal connection based in my own mind which nobody else can access.
>>98059614Least delusional dollsimp
>>98059823>sucking off EA this muchgay
>>98059962I can fix her.
>>98059962IIRC people simped for the cancer patient too, so that body isn't a drawback.Unless she has no vag.
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>>98060018>cancer patientLMAO
>>98059962Clearly she hasn't trusted anyone to get close enough to do maintenance on her body. You could be that one. You know how to fix up a doll do you?
>>98059121Sorry it took so long to reply>But no to the carrying over of itemsI figured. I was hoping that depending on how we ended up in Elden Rings world, our equipment could be used as starting armor as it could be weakened enough to serve as starter equivalent.>If there's something you want to find in the gameNothing really aside from the broken sword, I think it could serve as a starting item, like if you picked [none] then that would be the item. Like it doesn't do anything, its just there for sentimental purposes. Would I be allowed to do that?
No but really how the fuck do you fix up a soul in elden ring? Is there a way?
>>98060222Maybie, Miquella seemed to partially do it with Radahn
I downloaded a cyoa to repost it but realized after that it was all webp files. I wish 4chan would modernize its code
>>98060313just search "convert wepb to jpg" and you'll find websites that can do itI personally use this one: https://convertio.co/webp-jpg/ It's like complaining about ads on youtube when a simple search would let you find a free popular adblocker to use
>>98060313Webp is ass and I don't like it4chan isn't "Not modern enough" It's actively lost featuresI think you could still post it on 8, if you wandered so far
>>98057056>Empire:Orion Hegemony>Emperor:Princeps>Emperor Traits:Archetype, Standardization, Warlord, Family Man>Homeworld:Name: ArchonTitle: The Throne WorldType: HomeworldEnterprises: Unidentified Flyng Objects, Spacefleet, Mass Destruction (Planet Killer Weapons)Archetype: OverworldWorld: Woundrous Technology, Lost Age, Open Book, Prision World (Magnetic Storms)Border Realms: Orbit, Overlapping Plane 3Biomes: Forest (Monsters, Cliffs, Rivers, Tech), Sea (Monsters, Tech), Plains (Rivers, Monsters, Cliffs, Tech)Mortals: Northlanders (Knack (Informatics), Violent), Seasteaders (Knack(Contraption), Violent), Southlanders (Knack (Sythesis), Violent)Traits: Warrior Culture, Roman Disease, Heroic CombatLegends: Legendary Institution, Engineers's Guild (Enterprise, Teaching, Research, Forbidden Knowledge, Sages, Professionals) >Vassals:Name: Kenoma Title: The Barren MoonType: MoonTaming: OccupationEnterprise: StarmapArchetype: OverworldWorld: Flooded (Desert), Open Book, Woundrous TechnologyBorder Realm: Void OrbitBiomes: Desert (Cliffs, Arctic, Poison (atmosphere), Vulcanic (Tech), Highlands (Tech, Launching Spot))Mortals: Kenoman Humans (Many, Violent, Biome Adaptation (Highlands))Legends: Legendary institution, Alcyon Inc. (Peacekeepers, Registry, Syndicate, Profit Motive, Enterprise, Honor)Name: Keter Title: The Paradise WorldType: Alternate TimelineTaming: OcupationEnterprise: Standing ArmyArchetype: OverworldWorld: Woundrous Technology, Prision WorldBorder Realms: Void Orbit, Overlapping Plane 3Biomes: Forest (Cliffs, Tropic, Monsters, Tech), Sea (Monsters, Tropic), Marsh (Monsters, Tropic)Mortals: Keter Humans (Many, Simple, Violent, Acrobatics)Legends: Academy of War (Martial Art, Bases, Bloodletting, Border Control, Professionals, Sages)
>>98060431The Orion Hegemony is an expansionist and highly militarist stratocracy that emerged after the colapse of law and order across the worlds of the Orion Spur, with millenia of genetic isolation many pockets of mankind across the void have grown into different subspecies, the hegemony seeks to unite all human descended species and cultures under one banner, one rule an eternal human age. The throne world of the Orion Hegemony is a Terran class world known as Archon, it is the industrial world that produces most of the warfleets of the Hegemony along with planet killer weapons, it's renowed Engineer's Guild teaches the new generations on shipbuilding and technological manufacturing, one of the cornerstones of the Hegemony's interstelar power. Kenoma the moon of Archon is a mostly cold barren world bar the mountainous regions where life endures, it is ruled by Alcyon Incorporated a megacorporation responsible for administring the world and it's resources but for as long as Alcyon Inc continues to keep the peace, provide stellar charts and tithes, the Hegemony overlords meddle little in domestic affairs.Keter is a Jungle class world terraformed during the early days of human expansion, it is the jewel of the hegemony and it's greatest recruiting ground for armies, the world is renowed for the quality of it's regiments, the result of the local culture that gives a great emphasis on physical fitness and the academy of war an institution that teaches recruits on combat, strategy and teamwork, the institution is famous not only for the quality of it's soldiers but the exploits of some of it's greatest students.
>>98060372I do it pretty regularly but it's an extra layer of tedium that doesn't need to exist.>>98060376The hell are you on about? WEBP is great, it's got all the storage of JPG and all the permanence of PNG. Between the loss of PDFs, almost a year after they promised a quick return of them, and the inconsistent moderation of spam, in particular by a commissioner whose name I will not mention, I have lost faith in 4chan as a website. I only come here for the quests and CYOAs, these days.
>>98060442Webp is annoying and I refuse itLossy compression being forced on the consumer
>>98060216I will work these in. I have a funny idea on how to do it. What name do you want to go by, if these were to be delivered to you?
>>98058925You know how Torrents ring is still around in the frenzied flame ending, whistling faintly? Have something similar happen with Rannis doll. With her charred soul still faintly wispering in the doll. She's alive only by pure force of will.>how to bring her backTheres a few ways you can do this: The simplest -and easiest- way to do this is take her soul and place it into another doll body. However, the soul placed into the doll is a far cry from Rannis full strength, and is a hollow shell of her former self. This is the bad ending.The real way to fix her is to use a (VERY HIGH LEVEL MOON SORCERY) illusion spell to conjure a version of Ranni from the past, and attach that to whats left of Rannis soul. Like attaching a prosthetic for example. This is the closest version of Ranni the anon can make, what the player does with this soul is up to them.
>>98060599Approved. I like the synchronism with her mother. I was looking for a quest to culminate in getting the moonlight greatsword. This will be worked in.
>>98060599Thanks anon, now i know.
>>98059614The twin moons aren’t actually the full and dark moons. They’re entirely unique moons.
>>98059586He is literally called Lord of Frenzied Flame. The inconsistency is meant to show you what he was holding back: Lord status. He was willing to endure absolute agony instead of becoming that. God you people have zero media literacy. I bet you think Rennala was the first Carian queen.
>>98060222What is a soul in Elden Ring is left up to debate. Consider D and his brother. They share a single soul. It could just be poetic though.
In the Elden Ring cyoa there better be a way to advance and ascend to Buddhahood / sage god status
>>98060744Give me a story and I'll work it into the side quests. I've already had an option of going full crystal on the back burner, but I haven't fleshed it out.
>>98060554I told the painter girl I was nameless and nameless Ash he shall be. I thought Last Lord of Cinder I think would be appropriate. As by linking the first flame he became a Lord, but the first flame isnt around anymore, so no other lords can be made. Thus he is the last, and final, Lord of Cinder.
>>98060770We'll be looking for you in Limgrave.I might not be able to do this for every Anon, but I can do this for (You).
>>98060744>give me a way to ego death myself into neet statusok anon if you insist.
>>98060798>Ranni's Dark MoonHeh.
>>98060867Transcending the human condition involves no longer caring about earthly matters. Those two are also old as fuck and have probably seen all there is to see.
>>98060949AI is a tool. You’re meant to have tact with tools. AI is the laziest artistic tool, as you can always tell it’s AI slop. Nobody tries to minimize the sloppiness. They do not sift through images. They just plaster what was generated the first time.The bar for detecting true soul has risen to concerning levels. “I made this”. Sure, in the shallowest of the sense. You used the data from people who actually worked hard on something, while you just clicked a fucking button. Most people forget that AI uses pre existing artwork as fuel. The slop created by AI is fuelled by creativity that existed decades beforehand.
Not everyone can be like Surinical and blend ai slop seamlessly together either
This classic exemplifies ai art perfectly
>>98060959I agree with what you're saying, although I find that it's easier to get better results if you specify unusual art styles and media. I do feel kind of conflicted about that though, because it allows the model to colonize even more ground as opposed to just generating one million anime images. Ultimately I hate the tool but I can justify using it for the relatively minor purpose of generating CYOA art. I am hoping to balance that out with some shitty physical media CYOAs that I do myself. There are a lot of ideas that I could not actualize if I was restricted to my own art or that of others
>>98061005>although I find that it's easier to get better results if you specify unusual art styles and mediaYou can do this using AI but for some reason everyone uses the same schlock as seen in >>98060949Uniqueness is what adds soul. When everyone is exposed to every kind of art imaginable, the art becomes taken for granted. It’s exposure logic. Like magic. People once invested themselves into the uniqueness of the author. But now no one knows where the uniqueness even came from, and uniqueness quickly becomes diluted.
>>98061038>the uniqueness of the authorLOTM reference
>>98061049I have not read that bing bong crap. Don’t attribute it to me. Or I will end you.
>>98061049It’s the Matterjeeta. Notice it said “exposure logic”, “like magic”, and this is proof of its presence.
>>98061065Someone post the .gif
>>98061065But dearest Anon, everything is magic.Science, love, friendship, geometry, that weird thing on your dick - all emanations of the same wonder.
>>98061065You should have caught it at:>Most people forget that AI uses pre existing artwork as fuelA typical anon wouldn't make such a mistake
>>98060704"The Lord of Frenzied Flame shall take their torment, despair.Their affliction. Every sin, every curse. All melted away.Yet Midra, like others before him, was too weak to become a Lord."Hes CALLED the lord of frenzied flame, the mantle to which he aspired and which was thrust upon him, but he was not. The lord of frenzied flame brings utter oblivion of self, the dissolution of all and with them all sins and burdens. Thats what the player does in the lord of frenzied flame ending, where they - a true lord - embrace the frenzied flame and spread it to all the land. Midra failed, he did not become a lord (a title earned through strength). He could not do it.
Jeets love AI thoWhy would she be anti AI
Do we have a steak cyoa?How the fuck are we /cyoa/-anons supposed to lord over the lower classes without a fine steak and whiskey?
>>98061121>weOnly one of us can become THE STRONGEST
>>98061086The typical anon is an Indian who eats AI for breakfast so you’re wrong there buddy
>>98061084this one?
>>98061101Yes I read that text the first week SotE came out you faggot. You’re coping because I corrected you. He is called the Lord of Frenzied Flame in his fight. That’s all there is to it. You cannot deny this. Not unless you want to lose the argument.
>>98060934>anon does not actually know the lore of the game>wants the lobotomy pathmany such cases
>>98061122Prepare to be derealization mogged, Anon.
>>98061101Anon his face got replaced by a black hole sun. He IS the frenzied flame. >>98061138If you actually payed any attention to the lore you’d notice that embracing glintstone opens your third eye.
>>98061123The typical anon is a white male between the ages of 20 and 30 whom I pretend is a cute teenage girl
>>98061136>He is called the Lord of Frenzied Flame in his fightYes, and he is explicitly not the lord of frenzied flame. Its explicitly laid out to you. Hes CALLED that, but he isnt that, its a title he was given but failed to attain.
>>98061147>Anon his face got replaced by a black hole sun. He IS the frenzied flame."yet Midra, like others before him, was too weak to become a Lord."Some random hollows in liurnia can summon the eye of sauron. The aesthetics arent all of it.
>>98061101By too weak, he wasn’t willing to give in to the Frenzied Flame. He warns you to turn back. He only becomes Lord when he gives in. He had more strength than you, for enduring what he endured. He’s wiser and more noble than you are. You straight up embrace the Three Fingers. You gave in to your pain and you wanted it all to melt away. Midra actually held himself together until you attacked him.
How are you all so knowledgeable about this game lore?
>>98061151>>98061154You’re proof that ER fags have zero media literacy, kek. His boss title is quite literally Lord of Frenzied Flame. He did not want to become Lord, mind you. He outright asks you to leave his ruin. You forced things by attacking him. You’re not winning this argument.
>>98061147And by 'opening your third eye' you mean collectively going insane and ending up miserable at the (singular) revelation you get from looking at the cosmos, sure.
>>98061154Anon his head is gone and replaced by a black hole sun. I’m not talking about what the people in the tower summoned.
>>98061159Anon he literally shoots eye lasers at you after being too weak to endure and succumbing. Thats exactly it, Midra couldnt bear the frenzied flame and gave himself to it for release, while the player - if successful - carries it unfailingly. He was weak in body and spirit, and died as a miserable wretch. This is literally the description of his giant frenzy spell, so so much for restraint there.
>>98061166Autism.
>>98061169Nah. Azur is levitating in zen meditation the way those crystalians are. He’s fine. He’s just so enlightened he barely if ever responds. The crystalians are like this. The two grand masters have third eye medallions placed over their foreheads.
>>98061159No the tarnished is stronger than midra by not losing their sanity when embraced by the three fingers, like what happened to Vyke. The tarnished has so much sanity that they can even reverse it with Miquellas needle.
>>98061177Anon you’re having a meltdown. You’re not as lore literate as you think you are. You straight up ignored the title of the boss. D’oh!
>>98061186Nope. Midra was wiser than you. Knew it wasn’t worth it. Agony was preferable to being Lord. You and Vyke are fucking retarded. Sorry.
>>98061168>His boss title is quite literally Lord of Frenzied FlameDamn thats crazy! Anyways it then tells you he wasnt actually a Lord in his item descriptions. weird!Almost like ones title and what one really is arent 1:1 or something....
>>98061177>He was weak in body and spirit, and died as a miserable wretch. He was so strong in body and spirit he could resist it for as long as he did. The lore makes it apparent he didn’t want to be Lord. He resents the Frenzied Flame. Everyone else is embracing it. I don’t know why you suck so much at environmental storytelling.
>>98061197Yes. The tarnished can be embraced by the three fingers and be completely fine, even reverse it if they want. Unlike vyke who lost his sanity, and midra who only endured because a woman told him to.
>>98061166It was a worldwide sensation that empathize freedom of choice. Of course it'd be popular with this crowd.
>>98061192>You straight up ignored the title of the bossYes, because its irrelevant.
>>98061200>Anyways it then tells you he wasnt actually a Lord in his item descriptions. weird!1. It says he wasn’t Lord. 2. His boss title says he’s a Lord.3. The lore points to him resenting the Frenzied Flame.What does this inconsistency mean? Him being “too weak” means he didn’t want to be a Lord until you fight him. His ambition was lacking. That is what it meant. Dear lord anon.
>>98061205>The lore makes it apparent he didn’t want to be LordExcept he did, even if solely for the sake of others its what he tried to accomplish and become. His weakness is explicitly stated (and shown) to you.
>>98061213Yeah because the Tarnished has the Grace of Marika and the player’s status has always been ambiguous (similar to Bloodborne where you’re unsure if you’re under control of a parasite or not). “He’s built differently” only applies so far.
>>98061223He outright says for you to go away. He has all the contempt for it. You didn’t even play this game. Wow.
>>98061218>Him being “too weak” means he didn’t want to be a Lord until you fight himLmao no you deslusional moron. Him being "too weak" means trying to become a lord and failing. Its the description of his frenzied spell, that thing he gets once he "decides to become a lord" as you put it and enters his 2nd phase. Even after giving in, he was never a lord, he was weak.
Honestly I did forget this is /cyoag/ for a hot minute
>>98061216>in my opinion the lore is irrelevant except when I say it isL m a o>>98061223His weakness? You mean when he becomes a literal frenzied abomination? He was holding that back. He was not a weakling. He was probably a powerful wizard or something. He was clearly an intellectual. Described as a sage.
>>98061213>and midra who only endured because a woman told him toAnon that woman is the reason hes trying to become the lord of frenzied flame. Shes the one who put him up to it, he apologizes because he cant bear it, he cant follow through on doing what she wanted and becoming a lord.
>>98061229You’re outright ignoring the lore that is told to you. He was not trying to become a Lord, and he was actively trying to resist it. You’re either a troll or someone who wishes the lore were different. Hm.
>>98061235>""""""the lore""""">literally just "a title"lmao>His weakness?Yes, his weakness. His failing to become a lord. his dying like a bitch. Weakness. His giving himself to the release of frenzied flame IS weakness in of itself, its him being unable to bear his own suffering.
>>98061233It gets like that when franchise or certain topics are involved. Someone once said this place was a mix of /a/ and /v/.
>>98061237Nah. She told him not to. Unless you’re suggesting her intent was for him to stew and pickle in his own frenziedness rather than embrace it. I honestly have no idea what Nanaya’s intents were. The inconsistent writing is likely intentional to start and steer arguments like everything else in their games. If you think they don’t do this you’re retarded.But Midra did not want to become Lord.
>>98061244Nah, what’s weak is being a lazy suicidal bitch and taking the Frenzied pill. He’s not weak for not being a bitch.
>>98061239>He was not trying to become a LordExcept he was."Yet Midra, like others before him, was too weak to become a Lord."He tried and he failed (because he was weak) and then he died. Your headcanon of him actually trying to avoid becoming the lord of frenzied flame has no basis in the game or its lore, its something you invented from your shallow observations and inability to actually read.
>>98061244>its him being unable to bear his own suffering.The alternative is embracing total ruin. He did not want that. The entire point of his character is that he has mad strength of will to resist the frenzied flame. >>98061254That text clearly shows he wasn’t up to Nanaya’s standards. She is holding the skull of a previous failure before him. He warns you not to enter his manse, and it is telling. He doesn’t like the Flame.
>>98061254>Your headcanon of him actually trying to avoid becoming the lord of frenzied flame has no basis in the game or its lore, its something you invented from your shallow observations and inability to actually read.So you’re just pretending that Midra is pro frenzied flame eh? Okay. Keep writing fan fiction in your head I guess.
>>98061251>Unless you’re suggesting her intent was for him to stew and pickle in his own frenziedness rather than embrace it.Yes. Literally yes. Shes been trying it before too. "A torch made by attaching a dying flame of frenzy to a small spinal column.In a distant land, in an age long past, was born a man who failed to become the Lord of Frenzied Flame. All that remains of him is cradled gently by Nanaya."Frenzy is born from suffering, so by forcing midra to sufferingmaxx she was hoping to create the lord of frenzied flame, thats why she told him to endure, to keep suffering.
"Leave now... Come no closer... No closer I say—the madness wells!"“The depths of your foolishness!”Yeah he totally loves the Frenzied Flame and totally isn’t trying to keep people safe from it.
Elden Ring was a mistake.
>>98061264>That text clearly shows he wasn’t up to Nanaya’s standardsYes, he was weak and too failed to become a lord. But he was trying to become a lord for her, thats why he apologizes to her when he can no longer bear it and releases himself to oblivion.>The alternative is embracing total ruin.Which is what he does. Thats his 2nd phase. He gives in, embraces the ego death of chaos and fails to become a Lord. >>98061270>>So you’re just pretending that Midra is pro frenzied flame eh?He was literally trying to become the lord of frenzied flame. This is explicit. Hes doing it under a promise to a woman who has tried and failed to create a lord of frenzied flame before. He tells you to stay away because he knows he is too weak to fight you and not give in (and hes right, when you fight him he gives in).
>>98061271The pain was actually inflicted by the Hornsent inquisition. It wasn’t Nanaya’s intent. Everyone in the manse was then executed by the Hornsent. You see their headless corpses lined up outside. They got beheaded. Nanaya seems to have just died in her chair. I don’t know what else to tell you. You could consider his pain to be a coincidental last chance resort, but, he’s clearly preferring the pain to embracing it.
>>98061288Wow. You’re still going? He’s called a Lord. He’s a Lord. Derp.
>>98061127Yes. It's not /cyoag/ without it.
>>98061288He promised Nanaya not to become a Lord, actually. He outright begs for forgiveness when he becomes Lord. That you can’t parse this small piece of vital information is telling of your IQ.
Please stop using your headcanonhttps://eldenring.fandom.com/wiki/Midra,_Lord_of_Frenzied_Flame
>>98061296>The pain was actually inflicted by the Hornsent inquisitionThe sword of thorns, yes (well, possibly, maybe the blasphemy of self torture was what drew the inquisitors to the manse). Although even that seems to have been in line with Nanayas task for him."Enough, I have endured enough. I ask that you forgive me, dearest Nanaya"He was told to suffer, and he suffered, until he could bear it no longer and released himself from it.>>98061302He is explicitly stated to not be a Lord, therefore he is not a Lord.
He failed because you killed him. Many such cases.
>>98061283No, the mistake is arguing about the lore of a game where the developer won't answer lore questions, and intentionally make things such that they are meant for the players to come to their own conclusions. Hell considering that the way they do lore is inspired by Miyazaki reading stories in languages he didn't know and having to make shit up to fill in the blanks, coming up with lore that is directly contradictory to things in the game is something fromsoft is in favor of. You're supposed to come to your own conclusions from what you understand of the story, and you're never wrong to do so.
Im going to go into my gallery to find a cyoa, I'll be right back
>>98061309>He promised Nanaya not to become a Lord, actuallyLmao. Yea, the girl who tried to make lords of frenzied flame made him promise to NOT be a lord of frenzied flame. You got it anon. "A torch made by attaching a dying flame of frenzy to a small spinal column.In a distant land, in an age long past, was born a man who failed to become the Lord of Frenzied Flame. All that remains of him is cradled gently by Nanaya."
>>98061315He is explicitly stated to be a Lord, therefore he is a Lord.
>>98061328He is explicitly stated to not be a lord. He is simply CALLED a lord. Learn the difference."Yet Midra, like others before him, was too weak to become a Lord."
>>98061327Anon for all you know she just has strong crazy aura and couldn’t help causing her lovers to spiral downward into madness. But he was still preventing himself from becoming “the lord of frenzied flame” (this is literally his boss title) as a “promise”. How you interpret this inconsistency is up to you, but, he clearly didn’t want it.
>>98061330Ah. You’re coping. I get it now.
>>98061330He was strong of will and contained the madness until you slapped him and he gave in to it. It’s that simple.
>>98061338>she just accidentally kept getting involved with frenzy cults and carried around a failed lord of frenzied flame's spinal column as a little keepsake for innocent reasons
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>>98061346Yea, he was too weak to bear it for long enough to become a Lord.
>>98061348That she died in Midra’s manse implies it wasn’t her goal to wander from man to man. We have literally zero information on her personality other than her request for Midra not to embrace the frenzied flame.
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>>98061357He didn’t want to be a Lord, period. Just going from his few lines. He calls you an idiot for coming to such an awful place. He outright tells you the madness “wells”. For all we know his death would unleash something worse and he didn’t want that. For all we know Midra was a deluded simp who thought a crazy lady really loved him. For all we know Nanaya had smugly said “endure” as an ironic statement (he would have gotten tired of the pain eventually). That Nanaya died instead of moving on to another person also says something.
>>98061360>That she died in Midra’s manse implies it wasn’t her goal to wander from man to manIt implies she died waiting for Midra to ripen sufficiently (or the inquisitors got her, but that one is less likely). That shes carrying a previous failed lord suggests it very much WAS her goal to wander from man to man, trying to make the lord of frenzied flame happen.>We have literally zero information on her personality other than her request for Midra not to embrace the frenzied flame.Other than her carrying around frenzied flame with her everywhere you mean?
>>98061371>It implies she died waiting for Midra to ripen sufficientlyMaybe. Or maybe she just died because she had nowhere else to go. >That shes carrying a previous failed lord suggests it very much WAS her goal to wander from man to manNah. If she found a successful one she wouldn’t need to wander. >Other than her carrying around frenzied flame with her everywhere you mean?We have crazy frenzied and sophisticated merchant frenzied. She could have been a slutty frenzied. We have no idea. She was stable enough to stand still for a portrait to be made of her and Midra. This implies it was probably a slow progression.
>>98061370>He didn’t want to be a Lord, periodHe did, he explicitly tried and failed to do it. To fail to become something you have to try and do it.
The impossibility of discerning Midra and Nanaya’s goals was been discussed to death on Reddit where you faggots belong https://www.reddit.com/r/Eldenring/comments/1g9ycaq/whats_the_general_consensus_do_we_think_nanaya/
>>98061360That was not her request, her request was to endure. I.e. endure enough pain and frenzy to become lord of frenzied flame. You breaking in to beat his ass pushes him to his suffering breaking point to become a lord. Him apologizing to her is just him being a simp because he's doing exactly what she wanted him to do.
The real question is of the lore is written vaguely or shittily
>>98061382For all you know “tried” simply meant not realizing your lover was bad news. You’re not juggling all the possibilities here. That, or maybe Nanaya relented in the end and didn’t like what she had done. If she loved Midra she wouldn’t ask him to suffer eternally, however. Not unless they both foresaw something worse.
>>98061381>If she found a successful one she wouldn’t need to wander.But she didnt find a successful one. Both whoever ended up becoming the torch and mydra were too weak to do it, as were many others besides them. There is ample evidence that Mydra is not the first (or rather second) guy to try and become the lord of frenzied flame. Countless others have tried and failed to do it before him. The first and only successful lord of frenzied flame, if you do that ending, is (you).
>>98061388>her request was to endure. I.e. endure enough pain and frenzy to become lord of frenzied flameThat’s possible. It’s also possible that he simply didn’t want to give in, and her words were spite.
>>98061388>You breaking in to beat his ass pushes him to his suffering breaking point to become a lordRight here you admit he’s a Lord. Lul. He didn’t want to endure the agony any longer so he finally embraced Lordhood. Derp.
it's pretty bananas that these long asides don't get deleted more often. I think it's fine for people to talk about marginally (or totally) off topic subjects here, but it's been 60 or 70 posts in the last few hours. When it's like 20% of the thread in that short a time span, it's probably too much. I'm surprised the jannies don't care; I guess we're an island unto ourselves
>>98061392>If she loved Midra she wouldn’t ask him to suffer eternallyVery big "if" there.But it also assumes she didnt see the suffering as noble. Remember, the frenzied genuinely long for their lord of frenzied flame, the great liberator who will bear all their sins and wipe the world clean. It is the highest honor in their eyes. Whats a bit of suffering if it means becoming the messiah?
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>>98061405Not the same anon. Derp.
>>98061395Nah. He succeeded. You just stopped a rival. That’s basically it. A Lord is just someone with high potential. Enough to be paired with an Empyrean. People with enough runes are considered Lord. But a Lord married to an Empyrean reaps all sorts of advantages through them, being host to the Ring.
>>98061412Nah. You fucked up. You don’t even know what a Lord is. It’s just a more souped up Numen. Numen are just rune-people, and runes are power/experience co-opted by the planetary parasite (but it sponsors evolution so how could it be bad??) that is the Elden beast. Miyazaki copies from all sorts of games and the beast is literally just Lavos from Chrono Trigger.
>>98061413>He succeeded"Yet Midra, like others before him, was too weak to become a Lord."Nope. He explicitly did not. Whether because he didnt stew and suffer for long enough, or because he was simply too weak to ever succeed even if he suffered for eternity. He failed to become a Lord. You could say "he had the potential to be a Lord", but he never ended up becoming one. A Lord isnt just "someone with potential". Its "the guy who wins". Midra lost. Godfrey was lord because he kicked everyones ass. Placidusax was Lord because HE kicked everyones ass before godfrey came along. The player becomes lord because they kick EVERYONES ass. Midra is not a lord.
>>98061425Again. Not the same anon. Derp.
>>98061395If she didn’t find a successful one in Midra, then she would have moved on to another prospective lord. She would have wasted her time waiting there to see if Midra stewed well enough (the ripening idea is fitting, but you don’t really need to ripen in pain to become frenzied, it’s just a form of depression/pain cope/medication). Clearly she couldn’t leave. Or she had her own reasons that we don’t know about.
>>98061429He was too weak before that point, anon. That’s what it was referring to. He didn’t want to become a lord, until he couldn’t take it anymore, and thus you fight the lord of frenzied flame. >You could say "he had the potential to be a Lord", but he never ended up becoming oneHe quite literally did. His spell is referring to his past, the same way Rellana’s twin moons spell is referring to her childhood youth when she invented the spell (although it’s possible they simply saw the two moons and created the spell later in their adulthood).
Perhaps the real Lord Of Frenzied Flame was the friends we made along the way
>>98061430Do you even know what a Lord is?
>>98061450You dont know what an anon is thats for sure. Derp.
>>98061435>you don’t really need to ripen in pain to become frenziedIts logical to assume that "more suffering leads to a deeper frenzy". And Midra is "above average" certainly, his pain has made him VERY frenzied and tainted the very land around him. Its also illogical to assume Nanaya has perfect information in universe, the world is filled with failed attempts at creating Lords and rituals that didnt work. Whether its the Dragonkin or the Eclipse. She tried (as she had before) and her attempt failed even if she did not know it, and she died waiting for a lord that would not be.
>>98061429Your notion of a Lord keeps shifting. Is a Lord someone who kicks ass, or someone who is fundamentally in line with their goals? The lore implies it’s just someone with high enough potential, often in the form of runes.
>>98061446I'm putting everyone who's arguing about this into albinuric's rise with the one anon. Congratulations we have an entire town hall debating about it.
>>98061455Midra isn’t above average. He is by far in the most agonizing state in the game. His strength of will resisting the frenzied flame is like no other. He only becomes the lord of frenzied flame for a very brief moment when he gives in.
>>98061444>That’s what it was referring toNo it isnt. "The Lord of Frenzied Flame shall take their torment, despair.Their affliction. Every sin, every curse. All melted away.Yet Midra, like others before him, was too weak to become a Lord."The spell is talking about the prophesized role of the lord of frenzied flame, and how Midra failed to become him. Not "but he became him later" not "but he was too weak before doing it". He was too weak, period. Even with his frenzy on full display, he was too weak.
>>98061455>Its also illogical to assume Nanaya has perfect information in universeWhat’s illogical is assuming you or I know anything complete regarding her goals or needs or actual frame of self/personality
>>98061458A Lord is someone who kicks ass, who wins the day and imposes their Order upon the world. The Lord of Frenzied Flame is the guy who destroys the world with instrumentality to release everyone from their suffering. It is a title merited through strength, strength Midra lacked.
>>98061463>No it isnt. Yes. It is. The fight has him called Lord. Then the text in his spell says he failed to become Lord.Are you really incapable of assessing the inconsistency? This either means he failed because you killed him, or he failed because he never wanted to be Lord in the first place.You keep ignoring the text. Or you just can’t put two and two together.
>>98061461>He is by far in the most agonizing state in the gameSo "above average" then? Since its not the norm and its not below the norm, it is by definition "above the norm (average)". >He only becomes the lord of frenzied flameHe doesent. Despite all his suffering he was too weak to become a Lord.
>>98061470The host of the Elden Ring is who imposes the Ring’s current order. Lords are just sex objects since men are less important in this universe. Godfrey wouldn’t be a demigod if it weren’t for Marika giving him power boosts.
>>98061458I like Earth. Sure, fire has nukes but Earth is lasting. Sell me on the mixed elements?
>>98061472>or he failed because he never wanted to be Lord in the first place.Then he wouldnt have failed, because he wouldnt have been trying to become a Lord in the first place. The fight has him called "lord of frenzied flame" because that is what he aspires to be, it is the mantle he wants to claim for himself.
>>98061470>It is a title merited through strength, strength Midra lacked.By strength do you mean weakness to give in to something so retarded? That’s the point of his character. He’s rather endure total agony than accept the frenzied flame. That tells you how awful and evil the frenzied flame is. Torture is better than that.
>>98061477>. Godfrey wouldn’t be a demigodGodfrey ISNT a demigod. Hes just some guy Marika liked. Grace isnt divinity, the tarnished are not demigods.
>>98061474Nope, anon. He is called Lord, so clearly this is referring to his “weakness” (strength of will) in giving in. Sorry. You failed the Riddle of Steel. It’s willpower.
>>98061481>That’s the point of his character. He’s rather endure total agony than accept the frenzied flameThe point of his character is that the torture was something he accepted to try and become the lord of frenzied flame.
>>98061479>The fight has him called "lord of frenzied flame" because that is what he aspires to be, it is the mantle he wants to claim for himself.Cool headcanon. He successfully became a Lord in his fight. You just stopped it.
>>98061487Nope. He outright tells you to flee. He doesn’t like the frenzied flame. He wasn’t trying to marinade. Sorry. Although from Nanaya’s perspective this might have been just the case for him.
>>98061484Godfrey is a demigod because its a title, not a genetic lineage. The Renalla kids only became official demigods when Radagon married Marika.
>>98061484Godfrey has been called a demigod. He is a demigod because he won’t die as long as he has Marika. That’s all that makes them special, lol. You don’t need to be a demigod to be as powerful as one either.
>>98061344This always seemed like such a dogshit cyoa I never understood why people played it so much when it came out.
>>98061481No anon, the point of his character is too show you FRENZIED FLAME = BAD.Midra explicitly tried to become a lord, failed, suffered agonizing torment for however long he's been there. Then he finally became lord after being pushed to his limit, and losing himself because becoming lord means you are a puppet of the (NOT)king in yellow.Thats what the frenzy flame is, a reference to the king in yellow. Fromsofts been doing this since demons souls.
>>98061485>He is called LordHe is specifically stated to have failed to become a Lord, his titles and monikers are irrelevant.>so clearly this is referring to his “weakness” (strength of will) in giving inLmao.This doesent work even in your retarded loony land. He is called "lord" when he embraces the frenzied flame (gives in), that thing that makes him too weak to become a Lord (in your version of events).In reality "strength" in relation to lordhood means there the same thing there it means everywhere else, literal "strength", power, might, force, the sorta shit Godfrey was about, the sort of thing that earns a crown. >>98061490He, very explicitly, did not. You can cope about how "oh he didnt actually want to become lord which is why him being too weak to be lord means that he became lord but it was on accident", but you will remain wrong and retarded.
>>98061484>Grace isnt divinity, the tarnished are not demigodsI think you missed the whole point of Grace / the monopoly over life and death Not everyone gets this luxury, and some just die at the roots of the Erdtree to keep it fuelled (those jars also function as this).
>>98061507>>98061503really? It has its flaws but it's a pretty versatile monster maker
>>98061504>No anon, the point of his character is to show you FRENZIED FLAME = BAD.Thanks for agreeing with me. He would rather prefer agony to accepting the frenzied flame. >Midra explicitly tried to become a lord, failedDebatable. He clearly doesn’t like the frenzied flame. He tried to keep it in check and he warns you to stay away.>Then he finally became lord after being pushed to his limit, and losing himself because becoming lord means you are a puppet of the (NOT)king in yellow.Yes. Precisely. Although the other anon doesn’t seem to think he’s a lord. >>98061508>He is specifically stated to have failed to become a LordAnd yet he is called a lord. >irrelevant Nope. Clearly it is referring to his lack of ambition. He didn’t want it. His weakness was his strength of will. >This doesent work even in your retarded loony landAre you saying you’d last longer than he did? >In reality "strength" in relation to lordhood means there the same thing there it means everywhere else, literal "strength", power, might, force, the sorta shit Godfrey was about, the sort of thing that earns a crown. I think you’ve watched too much Dragon Ballz Pee.>He, very explicitly, did not. Then you can’t read. He is called a lord.
>>98061508If he did not become a lord, why did his head explode like the Frenzied Flame lords do?
>>98061508Power is relative. There are no hp bars in the lore. Radahn got taken out by one sword jab by Malenia, with an additional sprinkle of scarlet AIDS on top. This implies a glintstone pebble to the face by a sharp enough sorcerer should one shot a demigod like Radahn. Radahn wouldn’t win against an entire army.
>>98061529Because that anon is retarded and doesn’t seem to grasp the intentional inconsistency of the text. From does this all the fucking time.
>>98057056I can't find the spirit world option. Someone please tell me where it is.
According to the lore you become a lord, numen, etc, if you accumulate enough runes; runes progress all the way up to Marika’s rune
>>98061533Radahn is overhyped since he has gravity magic to do anime flips in the air and he got fucking btfo by Morgott in the concept art This is also typical of George; he loves to exaggerate the accounts of the past; and Radahn didn’t actually literally halt the stars if you squint
>it’s another late night episode of anon arguing with gilberts i g h
Worth noting that it's the HUD that actually bestows him with the title of "Lord of Frenzied Flame." It's not an in-universe dialogue, but an abstraction communication solely between the developer and the player.
>>98061562There are no beds in Caria manor. This means the Carians didn’t sleep.
>>98057056In-Between Homeworld + Alternate Timeline = infinite vassals. This ought to be fixed.
>>98061567The only way those two are equitable is if there's a pop-up explaining that the background of Caria manor and explicitly stating the Carians do not need beds because they do not sleep, the same way the game explicitly tells you he is the Lord of Frenzied Flame after you start the fight.
>>98061478Wind tier 4. Wind is, as always the best element.
>get taken over by frenzied radiation >become an insane retard>get taken over by glintstone radiation>become a motionless genius
>>98061504>Thats what the frenzy flame is, a reference to the king in yellow. Fromsofts been doing this since demons souls.Apparently the Old Monk (mummy in a yellow robe) is his favorite boss in the series. Funny how you expect a wizard fight and then NOPE its actually the robe that controls the wizard (and then whoever you fight). It’s also cute how the robe stays with you, if you successfully get summoned by it and kill the player.
>>98061589Personally, I've never been impressed by the speech or accomplishments of David. Michaelangelo, on the other hand, had something to brag about.
>>98061596>It’s also cute how the robe stays with youI think it’s left ambiguous if you’re under its control or not. Kind of like how you’re probably being controlled by parasites in Bloodborne (milkweed rune replaces your dodge animations with doll-like motions ther point to you being a puppet).
Even ignoring Nanabriri (which is also pretty likely in my honest opinion), Nanaya had the remains of a former failure on her. She had tried this before. Nanaya wanted Midra to endure because enduring would make the madness grow stronger, conveniently. When the Hornsent came, he wasn't strong enough to become a lord, meaning he failed. But when we arrive, potentially hundreds of years after the fact, he is ripe and ready to become a fully realized lord. The reason Midra apologized to Nanaya is because he thinks holding on would've been enough, for reasons, but he obviously didn't know her true intentions. He didn't want to become a lord, but he did anyway because he believed the one he loved.There's a lot of room for interpretation about the details of the manipulation, but he was likely manipulated. The love wasn't real. It was all a lie. The frenzied flame takes everything from you. Even that. If you want to make it an extra layer of fucked up, just imagine Nanaya being Shabriri the whole time. He possesses corpses. Quite gay, quite gay…
>>98061576I prefer Earth 4 largely because I can make permanent change, but WInd 4 is definitely powerful too.
>>98061527Im not agreeing with you on saying he'd rather endure pain rather than become lord, im disagreeing because he's enduring the pain for the express purpose to become a lord. Because he DID want become a lord, it was his AMBITION. Then he FAILED.
>>98061628I like wind because it's invisible and everywhere, it's basically discount telekinesis. That said earth would probably be my second choice for the reasons you said.
I wish you guys would realize that the fun in souls lore is in entertaining both the Yes and the No. Even the theories I don’t like are still fun to think about. They are just narrative ideas to fill in the void. This is how these games were made.
>>98061637Looking closer at wind, it's really fucking powerful. You can cut through steel with air pressure alone AND fly. That shit is gole. And like you said, TK is great.
>>98061633We don’t have enough evidence to say whether he wanted it or didn’t want it, or if he realized it too late. He might have been an intellectual who simply wanted to study it. It’s possible he only relented in the very end of his torment. I don’t really know. We only know that he seemingly didn’t approve of the frenzied flame in the end, but he still embraced it to escape his agony. Makes you wonder if there was any way he could have killed himself, without becoming… that.
>>98061642yep. I do think its tier 4 is the weakest though.
>>98061562Yeah like Gwyn lord of cinders vs lord of sunlight
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>>98060431Awesome. Very cool to see an empire go all-in on technology.Is there a special reason every core world has the open book trait?
>>98061541Bottom right in the world traits. It's the last one.>>98061573Not enough space to add a restriction. I should probably just remove the "can take multiple times" line.
>>98060431I just realized every single race in the Orion hegemony is innately violent.They look like stormtroopers, but really they're reavers.
>>98061500Inspired by the werewolf thread currently up?>Starting perksDaywakeEmpathy IEmpathy II>ProgressionBond IBond IIPheromones IPheromones IIShapeshift INightwakeInsightLunacy ILunacy IIPrecognitionControl I (Ravens)Control II>True becomingTornIngenuity IIngenuity IIWeather IWeather IIWeather IIII tried to make a build without beastform. The host experiences it as a sort of flow state they reach during the full moon, not as a separate personality. We're a super being that can control nature and see the future.Didn't have the right perks to completely melt into one however. But daywake and nightwake come close.
>>98057052>Doesn't select doll or milk>Dies of sodium deprivationExcellent trap
>>98061576I would go with Fire, the land have a lot of resources, the Tier 3 powers are great for crafting, you can control anything that is above 50°c, the last point is a lot better when Tier 3 allows you to make something hot enough to control, and all Tier 4 can take control of something inside the body.
>>98062348For the last point I'm assuming Fire 4 can make their own body hot enough to control and fight the other Tier 4's control.
>>98060431How would the Orion empire a lush forest were to start encroaching on their moon?
>>98061478Earth and water tier 2 because i like them. Also they balance themselves out.
>>98057056Image build!Based on >>98056058 . I made it more coherent and less zany, eg I removed Tourism.
>>98062537Mild fix.
>>98062537>>98062545couldn't the treants just drive the birds to extinction by destroying their nests?
>>98062634The treants are primitive wildlings while the birds aren't. Birds have (fantasy) tech, the Princeps has three golden crowns on his three heads so at the very least they have metalworking.Also the treants are too nice to do that.
So who won the elden ring debate I wasn’t paying attention
>>980626880/10 bait, literally just scroll up.
>>98062694Nope not doing that
>>98062705Then you shall die in ignorance.
>>98062688Ranni chads
>>98061529Because he has frenzy magic? >>98061527>And yet he is called a lord.Yes, he is CALLED a lord, as in "it is an in universe descriptor of him". He is however explicitly not one. Do you understand that names are not how reality is shaped? His objective item description states he was too weak to become a lord, ergo he isnt one regardless of what people decide to call him.>. Clearly it is referring to his lack of ambitionYou cannot fail to do something without trying to do it. If he didnt try to become the lord of chaos (he did) he wouldnt have failed to become the lord of chaos. His being too weak to become a lord wouldnt be relevant because he would have never been tested in that regard. So no, that doesent work even if you ignore all the other contexts for strength and lordship in the game.>Are you saying you’d last longer than he did?Yes, but thats besides the point (which is that your supposed account of the situation isnt logically coherent and fails to function even if you grant it its premises - in your version of events he is a Lord, and he is called "too weak to be a lord" because he showed weak will (by doing the thing that leads to him being called a lord) - because you have no idea what youre talking about. )
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>>98062730Anon the lord of frenzied flame is one who successfully torches the world. That is it. Midra was a ticking time bomb that you put a stop to.
>>98062783>Anon the lord of frenzied flame is one who successfully torches the worldYea, so not midra then. Because midra was too weak to do it.
>>98062730>Yes, but thats besides the pointLook out guys we got a badass over here
>>98062788No. He was certainly powerful. You just fought him and put him down the moment he exploded. To say he wasn’t a god level threat is pretty retarded when all the other bosses in the dlc are that.
>>98062788We don’t know. He never got the chance to. He defied the frenzied flame until you break into his house. Had he beaten you, perhaps he would have tried burning the Scadutree.
>>98062796Plenty of people are "powerful", that doesent make them strong enough to be a Lord. >>98062796>To say he wasn’t a god level threat is pretty retarded when all the other bosses in the dlc are that.Yea, like Gaius, or Relanna, or the dancing lion, or the saint of the bud, or the putrescent knight, or the scadutree avatar. All those are definitely god tier threats right? The "canonically strong" dlc bosses are Bayle (arguably par with Placidusax back in the day), Metyr (possibly par with the EB) and PCR/Miquellester.
I’ve always assumed he was considered a failure because he refused to give in and pull the spike out. What if he’s holding it back because he’s changed his mind about becoming a lord of frenzy and only pulls the spike when we get there because he believes the tarnished is strong enough to put him down?
>>98062805>He never got the chance toBecause he was weak. >Had he beaten youBut he didnt, because he was too weak. You may as well speculate as to whether Mohg would become a true Lord and make his dynasty happen if you didnt stop him. It doesent matter, he was weak and therefore died before he could manage to make it happen.
>>98062809Anon. If you gather enough runes you’re considered a Lord. You didn’t play or follow this game well enough it seems…
>>98062809Gaius was considered a peer of Messmer and Radahn lool. The saint of the bud did what she did without being an Empyrean, and embraced the Rot which is why it’s so vivid in color compared to Malenia’s washed out denial. Rellana was a peer to a lady who could fight off a god/demigod. What is a god in this game is quite open to interpretation, so too.
>>98062817>Because he was weakNah. Just weaker than the player. It’s a game, anon. He was probably stronger than Vyke, another prospective lord.>But he didnt, because he was too weak. How would you feel if you hadn’t eaten breakfast this morning?
>>98062824>Gaius was considered a peer of Messmer and Radahn loolSo "not god tier" then? Because neither of those are god tier. Or are you some sort of retard who looks at any modeately strong dude and goes "wow they must be a God!" when in ER "gods" are a very specific thing that stands at the apex of power Did you miss the "god slain" message when you beat radabeast? Or have you simply not gotten that far?
Go to Reddit you faggotshttps://www.reddit.com/r/EldenRingLoreTalk/comments/1gtx9cy/midra_was_not_a_failed_lord_of_frenzied_flame/
>>98062826>He was probably stronger than VykeVyke, who also failed to become a Lord (and specifically the lord of frenzied flame)?
>>98062828I guess Malenia isn’t a god tier threat then, since she doesn’t have god slain. Rennala in per prime wouldn’t have god slain either despite being as powerful as one. Radagon was a god because he’s being possessed by one.
>>98062828>when in ER "gods" are a very specific thing that stands at the apex of power Not really. The point in the game is that what is a god is quite nebulous. This is prime George writing, similar to exaggerate accounts that don’t actually match up (Radahn halting the stars). Malenia is considered a god/goddess. She doesn’t have ‘god slain’. Marika considers herself a god, but she’s certainly not a god compared to the Beast, who is not a god compared to the Greater Will.You’re a god to an ant, anon.
>>98062839Yes. Malenia is not "god tier". Renalla in her prime is also not "god tier", even if she was par with Radagon back when he was acting "independent".
>>98062832Vyke, like the Player, had all the potential and power to be a Lord, but, like Midra, relented in the end. The only difference is that Midra re-embraced it. Thanks to you.
He’s either a failure because YOU killed him or because he didn’t want it until you forced his hand. You guys are fucking dumb as bricks.
>>98062849>Malenia is considered a god/goddess. She doesn’t have ‘god slainYes, in the same way that Mohgs cult consider him "The Lord of Blood" despite him not being a Lord. Marika however, is a true divinity, she became an immortal pillar of the world, a vessel of the elden ring. Theres a reason you ultimately change the world "through her">>98062857>potential LordVyke, like midra, failed to become a Lord because he was weak.
>>98062854Malenia is absolutely a god tier threat. She is the host of the outer god of rot, and is capable of taking out an entire fucking peninsula just from sperging out. Miyazaki also said only one boss in the dlc is strong enough to beat her lorewise. He was probably referring to Radahn.
>>98062859You kill him because he was too weak to become a Lord in any of the preceding millennia. If he was strong enough to be a Lord there wouldnt have been a game, you would have had instrumentality happen when he became the lord of frenzied flame.
>>98062861>Vyke, like midra, failed to become a Lord because he was weak.Weak in will/ambition, or weak in power? There’s a difference here. Malenia was powerful but she didn’t want to give in to the Rot. Or she did, like three times, if we read the text. I guess she’s a weak bitch too then, eh? It’s not like her text says she becomes more powerful and more godlike with every bloom… oh wait…
>>98062862Malenia wasnt even strong enough to win the shattering.
>>98062868>or weak in powerWeak in power. Because to "fail to become lord" you need "the ambition to become a lord" in the first place. You cant fail at something you arent trying to do. >maleniaWas not strong enough to be a Lord either. However unlike Midra she didnt even try.
>>98062865>If he was strong enough to be a Lord there wouldnt have been a gameYou don’t seem to get these games. It doesn’t matter how powerful something is. You, as the player, still get to kill them, because you’re built different, since it’s a fucking game. Even a successful lord of frenzied flame in a hypothetical “omg the world is on fire” dlc/timeline would be subject to dying at the hands of the player. There’s very few enemies that Miyazaki won’t allow you to fight. The only enemy in ER who is (probably) more powerful than the player is that giant jar in Caelid, or maybe even those two ascended arch wizards, etc.
>>98062880You can’t do the necessary nuance, it seems. Vyke and Midra were certainly powerful enough to be Lords. Vyke just changed his mind. Midra did as well.Whoever melts the world is an idiot.
>>98062869She’s still considered one of the two most powerful players in the shattering. Take it for what you will.
>>98062880Nah. Just because you’re powerful enough to do a stupid thing doesn’t mean you should do a stupid thing anon.Sounds like you’re a yellow commie who thinks anyone who doesn’t give in, is a failure faggot. Even if it’s a literal super human who resisted it. “He was WEAK”.
>>98062908>Sounds like you’re a yellow commie who thinks anyone who doesn’t give in, is a failure faggot. Even if it’s a literal super human who resisted it. “He was WEAK”.It’s Gil
>>98062901>She’s still considered one of the two most powerful players in the shatteringYea, shes one of the stronger demigods. That doesent contradict what was said. The whole point of the shattering is that all of the demigods, whether they were radahn or malenia or morgott werent strong enough to overcome their peers and claim their shards of the elden ring. No side had enough power to overcome the others. >>98062892>Vyke and Midra were certainly powerful enough to be LordsExplicitly not the case. Vyke was the closest to becoming a lord from among the tarnished prior to the player, but he still ultimately failed. He faltered, embraced the frenzied flame and was then imprisoned in an evergaol. Midra tried to become the lord of frenzied flame for Nanaya but was too weak to do it, he failed, suffered in the manse, and was then put out of his misery like a sick dog.
>>98061921I choose it because it's almost a free point it's just that your worlds become interdimentional traveller bait>>98061949Yes, violent felt more appropriate than most of the other drawbacks>>98062399what?
>>98062908>Nah. Just because you’re powerful enough to do a stupid thing doesn’t mean you should do a stupid thing anon.Midra, who was explicitly trying to do the stupid thing, was simply too weak to successfully do it. Hes a failure faggot.
Frenzied fags are just so low iq You can suffer without being retardedThe nomadic merchants are completely sane Except for maybe the ones stuck underground - although they’re certainly aware enough to retain their violin skills!
>>98062915>Explicitly not the caseVyke and Midra failed because they chose not to continue. Vyke in the Gaol doesn’t use any frenzied abilities. He did not want it. Midra would rather endure total agony than embrace it. I’m convinced you didn’t play this game.
>>98062915Vyke was the closest to becoming Lord other than yourself. By default he is one of the strongest characters in the lore.
>>98062937"Yet Midra, like others before him, was too weak to become a Lord."No, they failed because they were weak. >>98062940He is/was one of the strongest tarnished, yes. The one who went the furthest before you come along. And he was still too weak to become a Lord.
Anon is having a meltdown because he can’t grasp why someone would rather suffer eternally than give in to the yellow king and assumes this strength of will to endure it is somehow weakness
>>98062949>"Yet Midra, like others before him, was too weak to become a Lord."Weak in the sense that, like Vyke, they regretted their decision in the end. That’s basically it. If you interpret this as weakness rather than strength, then go right ahead, be a semantic dingbat, and o yourself as a yellow commie.
>>98062950>person explicitly stated to be too weak to achieve their goals failed to do a thing>actually it must be because they never wanted to do it (the thing they tried to do and died trying to do)! They were resisting it all along! Its STRENGTH to fail to become the thing they tried to become!
>>98062949You keep citing that passage while ignoring the title of the boss. “Midra, Lord of Frenzied Flame”
>>98062952>if you interpret explicit weakness as weakness rather than strength youre a communistthis is performance artMidra tried to become the lord of frenzied flame and failedVyke tried to become the lord of frenzied flame and failedThey were too weak, they couldnt manage what they tried to do.
>>98062937>I’m convinced you didn’t play this game.Most people are too stupid or just not invested enough in dark souls/ER lore to fully understand it, one should expect nothing less
>>98062956>the titleBecause titles are things people call themselves. Mohg is called "lord of blood", its an epithet he is given by countless characters, he is not actually a Lord.
>>98062954Anon I think you’re an insane retard who sees weakness as not giving in to ruinous powers. Your idea of strength is hilarious. The irony of you calling the people who could successfully resist (even in eternal agony) the king in yellow is hysterical.
>>98062965Again. As another pointed out. A Lord can be someone who just has enough fucking runic power. Numen are people with high runic potential.
This is why I will not play the ER cyoa
>>98062957>>98062965Nah. You’re calling someone weak for not giving in to a literal cosmic horror. Oh and they’re in eternal torment for it. And they STILL don’t give in. That’s weak to you?Bahahaha.
“That guy over there? He’s been suffering the barbs of hell for a thousand years. A fate worse than death they say. And if he gives in even for a moment, he will then be taken over by an even worse fate! Oh what a poor wretched individual.”“What a weakling.”Kek 10/10 loretard
>Elden cringeTake that shit to /v/ faggots.
>>98062920>what?>>98055720
I just want a big strong lady to hold me when my body is bruised and broken and tell me things are going to be okayCan the Elden Ring cyoa give me this?Perhaps a Night maiden or Ancestral Follower.Maybe a Knight of the Cuckoo that resented turning against the Carians and fled rather than fight. We're both broken. Perhaps we can find solace in holding each other together.
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>>98062971>A Lord can be someone who just has enough fucking runic powerNo it isnt. But also: Even if you go with this retarded and lax definition of "Lord", Midra was explicitly too weak to become a Lord "like countless before him". Whatever the criteria, he failed to meet them. >>98062967>try and become chaos satan>fail because youre too weak>akshuallly its strength! failing to do the thing you tried to do is what the STRONG do! Midra didnt want to become the lord of frenzied flame despite trying to become the lord of frenzied flame!>>98062978He literally gives in. He becomes a mindless frenzy monster because he cant bear it and succumbs. He was too weak to bear it and become the lord of frenzied flame nanaya wanted.
>>98063085The Hegemony would consider it acceptable for as long as the expansion of fauna and flora still allowed for resource exploitation of minerals, agriculture and human industry, after all the Orion Hegemony wouldn't automatically consider an invasive ecosystem as an imediate threat to their empire unlike a spacefaring alien civilization or competing human interstellar empire unless the invasive organisms started organizing against human infrastructure
