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Thick, meaty dark elf thighs: we could turn this whole franchise around if we just focused on the important aspects of the setting.
I just got some Harlequins, but I know a full 2,000 points of just Harlequins is gonna be not great. Looking at my options, the coolest other Eldar stuff I could mix in would be either Corsairs or Wych Cult.Elf enthusiasts, should I go Harlequins/Corsairs or Harlequins/Wyches?
I like or-ACK
>>98212227i dont think the wych models look very good, so i'd say corsairs, unless you want to do some work converting daughters of khaine models or something
Honest question: why don't they update every model/army to the larger Primaris scale?
>>98212251the kit's a bit old but I think it looks alright. Isn't it basically the same age as the Sisters of Slaughter kit
>>98212215>>98212232Black Templars have so much SOVL and should have been the posterboys of the 9th edition box vs Necrons
>>98212215>>98212232The reward won't be as nice this time around since it's just a difference of probably a couple weeks for who gets their reveals first, but I still look forward to marines proving they're the eternal side dish for each edition starter again.
post models and/or armies
>>98212257They already have, what are you talking about. They've been doing this for like 8 years now.
>>98212215>TQnot so much "job" as suffer horrific loses (of those deemed expendable) making every battle a pyrrhic victory at best.anyway, post models.>ultra early WIP first coats of paint blocking in two whole colors.
>>98212267space marine game btw
>>98212215>do /yourdudes/ generally job more often than not?I play cadians, so that answer is obvious
>>98212261idk about the age but i just dont think the wyches look good. plus the DoK stuff unironically looks more like it belongs in the same army as Lelith than the wych guys do, they're too clothed and not acrobatic enough
Let Chaos Idols take this thread!
>>98212267>>98212275>Believing that that result was real
>>98212215What makes the Deathwatch the coolest fighting force in the Imperium?
>>98212269Haven't painted anything new in like half a year now...
>>98212307Nothing, they're lame compared to the chapters that comprise them.Rather than having a character of their own they just lean on the tired old trope of "diversity is our strength" while having the marines be caricatures of their chapter.
>>98212307That GW hates them as much as the fans love them because most of their lore wasn't created by GW
>>98212294pls shut the fuck up you stupid retard
>>98212352nta but it's wild how people absolutely froth of a low effort ritual post
>>98212358you should also shut the fuck up retard
>>98212352he owns models, so he’s chill (even if a little retarded).
>>98212227Why not both? They kitbash together really well.
>>98212360Hmmm....no
>>98212307I mean, they have the "im putting a team together" thing which means they have everything cool about every chapter + neat storytelling about the culture shock.
>>98212269
>>98212307>>98212365imagine a marines malevolent begrudgingly teaming up with “square” chapters like the ultramarines and salamanders, but eventually warms up to them and slowly convinces them killing innocent women and children is fun what’s not to love about them?
>>98212215>TQI’d say both factions have about a 50/50 rate of glorious victory to debilitating fuckup.
oldfag here. my lasguns can now wound toughness 7 and above? crazy. Back in my day, if you were toughness 7, or you were armor value 10, you were simply immune to S3.speaking of which, vehicles have toughness now. how crazy is that. I don't even know what to think. I'll have to get some games in
>>98212269WIP First Claw from the Night Lords books. Mercutian, xarl, uzas, cyrion, variel. I have yet to make Talos.
>>98212423Also some WIP black legion chosen. I mainly used legionary heads on chosen bodies.
>>98212419I came back 6th months ago from 5th.So ya lots of things are crazy, like you decide which melee weapon to fire now, but fire every ranged weapon even on infantry. Its honestly good though. You can fire 20 lasguns at a predator, and maybe chip a 1-2 wounds off if you are lucky, so you as the predator owner arent afraid of them unless its down to 1-2 wounds, but as the guard squad owner you no longer find yourself in situations where a unit is literally fucking useless. 10th gameplay wise feels really good, and the meta level stuff like zero wargear costs, and every map just being identical city fights they made sure to fix for 11th.
Give me advice, I'm new to this hobby, and bought some Sisters. I decided I want multiple units of the same models (like I bought two Battle Sisters) to each have slightly different poses, so I gave the second set different boltguns and grenades, etc, same with a Seraphim Squad. But I made this decision only after already assembling two individual models of Battle Sisters that now look identical to each other (same pose, same gun, same head, etc). Is there a way I can try to spruce things up after they're already assembled to make them look a little more distinct?
>>98212215>TQIn my Homebrew dudes' lore, they are huge jobbers and lose all the time but usually manage to take trophies or compromise things that twist the knife a bit and make any new hope found in victory a sour and Pyrrhic one.In actual gameplay though I usually have one of the highest win rates of my local group for Crusade and casual play, but that comes from decades of playing a super technical Army.
>>98212430so many chain weapons, Sad.
>>98212265It's hard enough to get past the "what kind of BT fan are you" bullshit, they'll never get the limelight while chuds live rent free in certain people's heads.
>>98212438Nobody will notice. Don't loose sleep over this.
>Khorne cares not from where the blood flows so long as it flows>His brass throne sits atop a pile of skulls the size of mountain rangesHere me out anons>Khorne champion is the last survivour of a massive bloody melee that destroyed everyone in his army and also killed all of his enemies on the field of battle>He's so frustrated and angry that his blood isn't spilled for Khorne, that his Skull doesn't prope up his throne he simply cuts his own head off>Khorne is so pleased by this act of devotion he resurrects him as like a wraith-like Warp entity, but remains headless>This headless daemon prince-like thing hunts down and kills those khorne worshippers that fail or blaspheme khorneLike the things the hounds of khorne do, but a 40k version of a nazgul
>>98212362That better be oil paint, otherwise how the hell...
>>98212442I can only see it happening if the BT fanbase somehow magically got reformed into something more like Marines Malevolent fans
>>98212438You could always just paint them differently. A slightly different paint job can do an awful lot to distinguish between models. Just take a look at these pox walkers here. There are three identical versions of each model here, but a slightly different paint job does a lot to differentiate them.
>>98212226Eldar can't get fat, so their thighs can't get thick. They're eternal lankoids.
>>98212459>reformed into something more like Marines Malevolent fanselaborate on that thought, what makes them different, and how would having a marines malevolent mindset help?
>>98212460Forgot pic
>>98212459>fans of the factions with one of the coolest gimmicks in 40k just need to be self-hating and enjoy it ironicallyWe got one!
>>98212467MM fans know that they're playing a faction of bloodthirsty murder psychos and revel in it and joke about being comically immoral even for the Imperium>>98212472How is it "self-hating" to enjoy the fact that you're building an army of savage murder freaks? That's like 80% of the factions. That's the whole appeal of the setting.
>>98212479You're right, it's not self-hating to hate European knights if you're not European.Noticing.
>>98212495You aren't a European knight little bro; you're some dude sitting at his computer. You are not the 40k faction you play, you fucking freak.
>you enjoy playing as the asshole faction? >you must secretly hate itimagine being this mindrapedgood goy
Oh my god marinefags are embarrassing
>>98212459>reformedI can just tell you are a flaming faggot homosexual
>the upgrade to the plasma cannon is only 10 points for the Redemptor DreadI wonder what would the strength difference be to require more of a points jump. The Redemptor’s strength is its defensive profile after all. Also my Assault Termies are absolutely going up in points….
>>98212269Got my killteam raveners done enough to play with em.Couldn't bring myself to make the Red Terror not red.
>>98212499So what's the good guy faction? Think carefully.
>>98212269Beautiful army
>um actually my faction are the real good guys of 40kbro I don't fucking care my deldar is going to turn you into a skin curtain
>>98212555Checked. I don't know if anon was the original poster of that but they posted the secret sauce originally, it's Golden High Flow diarylide yellow.
Anyone who argues over "good guys" should fuck off no matter what their opinion isThere is no response to the good guy argument except telling the people who participate in such discourse to blow their head off with a shotgun
>>98212270I know they up'd Chaos Marines, but who else?
>>98212269Damn, that is a really nice yellow
>>98212586IG, Nids sorta. I would be surprised if the new Orks weren't a little bigger.
>>98212585Sounds like something a person who plays a bad guy faction would say.
>>98212594IG haven't changed model height in 27 years
>>98212598
>>98212555>>98212589Thanks! I like it because it's the exact colour of McDonald's processed cheese. You've gotta varnish over it because painting anything else because paint doesn't like to stick to it, which I'm told is a common thing with Golden paints
>>98212609Oh it really was you, you never know.
I'm looking forward to a HUGE tournament next week. Anyone else have something recent?
>>98212363But those two are tau necrons actually thobeight
>>98212464I didn't say fat thighs, I said meaty. You better believe wyches and banshees are built like slim-thick fitness girls. You think they're so fast with little toothpick legs? No way.
>>98212626The image has to be ragebait.
>>98212626I genuinely believe images like this are why GW decided to do pre-painted terrain. This shit is not good for the brand
>>98212626played my first game of 11th yesterday, tables look way better.
>>98212586Literally fucking everyone that got updated
>>98212626>>98212701away with you perrymanlet
>>98212701>tables look way better>he says, as he shows a table in autistic esports perfect symmetry with angled buildings facing towards the corners of the central building, no reasonable street layout, unfitting volcanic wilderness mat with urban terrain on topThis still looks like shit, bro
>>98212734stop samefagging your zero effort bait
Do not reply to him.
>>98212752Schizophrenia
>>98212651No shit
>>98212423Doesnt talos wear mk5. Are you 3d printing it or buying 3rd party?
>Guard battleforce>Based>Based>Based>Based>Basilisk>A FUCKING BASILISKI DON'T NEED MORE GODDAMN BASILISKS
>>98212789I do. I don't want an ugly rogal dorn though.
>>98212789>he thinks he has enough basilisksBro do you even Apocalypse?
>>98212796Ok we can do swapsies :)>>98212798I already have two Basilisks and a third would be a waste of space
>>98212809>he doesn't even have the full 3 and says another would be a wasteBro what, complete the battery
imperial guard is a special kind of autism. i cant imagine ever wanting to spam more than 1 or 2 of the same kit
>>98212609Makes me think of the yellow they used to paint streets with way back before cadmium was banned/heavily frowned upon
is there a mega of novels? i didnt see it in the OP
>>98212823>I can't imagine a military force made up of machines rolling off of factory assembly lines having multiples
kill team sororitas costs more than a battle squad...why?o though kill team was supposed to be the foordable option to play a game of 40k
>>98212809>2 basilisks is enough :)You are not a guard player, you're just wearing the skin of one.
>>98212850>kill team sororitas costs more than a battle squad>...why?because it comes with a bunch of kill team shit>o though kill team was supposed to be the foordable option to play a game of 40kwell it is, if you want to play 40k kill team
>>98212809
>>98212813>>98212854I don't want a third basilisk I want.... I don't know what I want from a battleforce really... maybe a hellhound? An oops all tempestus box would fuck I think. Or an abhuman auxillia.
Painted my second Goremonger, not as good as my first one. Took me 3 hours this time.
>>98212879hell hounds r cool, do that
>>98212898Here's the back. I was trying to do a half tank thingy where the other half is leaning bit forgot to do the other side.
Is there a bigger jobber than Ferrus Manus?
>>98212910All HHfags/Primarchfags are jobbers since they spend so much time talking about background lore of a sidestory to the main 40k timeline.
>>98212914That's the main story, actually.
>>98212920Lol, lmao
>>98212914seconded
>>98212923You're still free to enjoy your inconsequential "omg look tyranids/orks are coming again and it doesn't matter" tidbits but the main story will forever be about the emperor, chaos and primarchs. In case that wasn't obvious enough with the return of gulliman, lionel and fulgrim.
>>98212938>story40k lore isn't a story, it's a sandbox to explain why your little plastic men are fighting your friends little plastic men. You and your opponent make the narrative, not some hack BL author.
>>98212959It's obviously both you retarded autistic fuck
I can't decide on silver, light bronze, or gold trim for my Night Lords. Trying to not make the models too complicated.I've got dark blue, red, flesh areas, silver for weapons.Silver looks dark and stealthy, bronze or gold creates nice contrast.
>>98212215I'm looking to make some not-catachan themed brood brothers. I'm considering using an Escher upgrade sprue for arms/weapons, but what should I use for some shirtless/partially armored rambo-esque bodies?
>>98212978space nam
It always confused me that tau aren't said to be easy to paint, maybe it's my autism but I love the minimal details and the big symmetrical armour panels.
>>98213004that probably comes from contrast sloppers which tau models do not respond well to
>>98212390MM and Salamanders bond over their dedication to "women and children first!">>98212215/Mydudes/ don't job. They support the local Imperial Guard very effectively (a lot of ideas that are good when you're fighting squishy humies with flashlights become bad when you get landed on by a bunch of power-armored screaming maniacs with chainswords). The exception is when shit gets really bad, in which case the whole Abbey gets together into one force and probably gets fucking shredded by whatever made things get this bad in the first place, which is NOT jobbing, so SHUT THE FUCK UP, they're GOOD GIRLS and they're TRYING THEIR HARDEST.
>>98212938>but the main story will forever be about the emperor, chaos and primarchsIt literally never was, all of that shit is backstory that was summarized in like 2 paragraphs in a side panel in an expansion book.
>>98213004flat clean panels are actually way harder to paint well than organic textures or lots of gribbly details. there's nowhere to hide bad technique or uneven coverage, and a shade or contrast wont save you either. it leaves nowhere for an unskilled painter to cover their tracks or let the model do the talking for you
Remember that the creator of 40k personally has disavowed modern corporate GWs retarded slop version of the Heresy. None of it is relevant lore or even canon to the real author's setting.
>>98213053that's not what that quote says
>>98213062That's exactly what it says you just have no reading comprehension or ability to infer meaning from wider context.
>>98213053yeah fleshing out the horus heresy as a minute by minute historical breakdown has really ruined a lot of the mystique and mythology of 40k. it was best when it was a half alluded to fever dream of rambling priests and corroded broken murals and nobody had any idea what actually went down save for a few paintings with the reverence of a church mural
>>98213053he doesn't disavow anything in that quote? He just says he's disappointed in how it was developed from the tiny scrap of lore he wrote that started it
>>98213067
>>98212227GW didn't make enough datasheets to have 2000 points of quins.
>>98213067Nailed it
>>98213070Are you zoomers seriously so bad at reading these days that you cannot understand someone is disavowing something without them literally saying the exact, explicit words "I DISAVOW THIS"?
>>98213067It might have worked if the writers were good. Unfortunately...
>>98212962No. Fags whining about the "story" are the reason we got dogshit like Primarchs coming back primaris lore. The setting does not need to progress and battles like Armageddon and Black Reach can and should merely be vignettes, glimpses of what's happening around the galaxy in the 41st millennium.
>>98213081Even if the writers were twice as good as they are it wouldn't have worked. The whole idea was fundamentally bad.
>>98213066>>98213079uh oh illiterate larper melty
>>98213048The sharp panel lines of space marine armour or tau armour are much easier to work with as a novice painter than the soft round organic shapes of say tyranid or kroot bodies or the flowing robes of sisters or something like that. Soft round shapes need you to know more about what you're doing, whereas the sharp panel lines are very simple. Of course you can do more with that armor in terms of colour modulation and shit if you really want to but at a basic level it's simpler.
>>98212307When I was a kid I had the hereticus and malleus codexes with an inquisitor leading a bunch of grey knights and a singular sister of battle canoness model that went off into the ether and I never saw again. Wanted some Stormtroopers too. But what I really was stoked for was the upcoming Alienhunters codex that kept getting teased. Then I grew up and mostly just played TWW for years without paying attention to the models. Years later getting back into 40k I thought it was strange Deathwatch and to a lesser extent Grey Knights and Agents get all this hate. Like there is a hatebase of autismos. that dislikes the Inquisition for some reason. Anyway I finally assembled my custom kill team of random models, my inquisitor and then a corvus blackstar and the new kill team.The biggest fuckup GW did is that there is no option for a Deathwatch Kill Team on tabletop because the Kill team doesn't seem to have supported rules. There are rules for Phobos and Gravis and Tacticus kill teams but not for one Expendables style squad of fucked up rude dudes, which was the big appeal. Also alienhubnters having alien weapons the way Daemonhunters had daemon weapons sometimes.
>>98213081yeah i gotta agree with >>98213086its a bit like eldritch horror, take something like one of lovecrafts iconic monsters, or john carpenters the thing. the monster and the ruins are terrifying and interesting because a lot about them is unknown, you only catch brief glimpses, offhand acounts, vague descriptions and loose ramblings. the more you explain it, even if that explanation is well written, the more you erode the fascination of the unknown and just fill it in with details and close the chapter. oh well, now that i know what happened there and exactly what that looked like, there's nothing for me to wonder about anymore. no more speculation, no more imagination, the mystery has been solved.
>>98212423I see some bits from the Iron Warriors upgrade kit, bolood angels upgrade kit, got a little dragon head on that heavy bolter from the chaos rhino, apothecary bits and rounded out with upgrades from the nightmare kill team.
>>98212609>You've gotta varnish over it because painting anything else because paint doesn't like to stick to itEven with an air brush? I was going to pick up some golden high flow white for my next project.
>>98213079anon I don't know why you want that to be a disavowal so bad, but it's not
why are blood angels players obsessed with putting stormcast eternal wings on everything? don't they know it looks bad and not good?
>>98213123If they cared about something looking good they would be playing space wolves and demons instead
>>98213128>If they cared about something looking good they would be playing space wolvesLOLLMFAO
>>98213123because the blood angels packs look like absolute ass compared to the stormcast. the stormcast even look better than the old sang guard packs which themselves were worlds better than the new ones.the only ones in 40k that are comparable are like the sanguinor himself and that living saint lady for sisters
>>98213133I will say, though, I've been constantly thinking about this post someone made showing what Wolves would look like converted from the Red Corsairs and it's fucking amazing.
Sanguinary guard should have had actual wings as a mutation. Them having fake wings was gay. >>98213140I hate mk3 so fucking much it’s unreal.
>>98212651No way, Warhammer 40,000 is the greatest miniatures wargame in the world.
>>98213143two dogshit opinions back to back, impressive!
>>98213143You might have terminal shit taste, dude
>>98213144Well it *has* to be ragebait because I am definitely raging right now.
>>98212701only thing I don't like is there's not a lot of spots for chunkier units to pass through.But overall I like it, and objectives going from stupid circles to terrain feels cooler. Gonna miss payload race though.
>>98213150>>98213147I don’t respect the opinions of those who defend mpreg.
>>98213144i legitimately cannot tell if those knights are actually painted like that or just unpainted except a few plates
>>98212269reposting untill she gets the love she deserves
>>98213144There are "people" who played on boards like that and saw no issue, and some of thempost in these threads and think their opinions on anything actually matter. Insane.
>>98213161What's to be upset about? The Warhammer Hobby is an exquisite synthesis of craftsmanship, generalship, and immersive storytelling.
where is the best place to mount a custodes head on my harlequins?
>>98213201Harlequins wouldn't keep the head, they'd put it where somebody would find it. For the laughs.
>>98213144>>98213197post height. perryfag
I’m actually not gonna post the rest of this comic
I have an imperium & chaos faction, which xenos faction should I pick? I'm thinking Votann but I feel like I can be convinced otherwise
>>98213245Orks are perfect to start right now
>>98213245Get yourself a gene stealer cult army.
>>98213249zamn wtf?
>>98213249This guy was 4 different niggas in 12 years
>>98212752how is he wrong?
>>98213257>>98213214
>>98213259how is this an argument?
>>98213245Tau.they are the coolest
>>98213264>debate meeestay in your containment general, perryfag
>>98213269NTA but I don't think anyone here even knows what you're talking about, go have a schizophrenic melty somewhere else please
>can't play without points>can't listbuild without points>can't decide what new thing to buy without knowing how I want edit my lists, which I can't do without points>can't paint because I'm all caught up on painting
>>98213272>I’m all caught up on paintingare you really though
>>98213245It's time for a good krumpin.
>>98213280Do you think we'll get a new Ghaz model in a few years? Trying to decide whether to buy one or not since I got the 11th box.
>>98213285Absolutely not dude that model is still practically brand new in the lifespan of xenos stuff
>>98213245nah idk if you're the same person who was asking earlier, but votann are not what you want if you want a xenos. they look, paint, and play like space marines. if you want a capitol X xenos army you are looking for something like tau, necrons, tyranids, eldar, orks, maaaybe GSC although they are arguably imperial guard lite. orks are also kinda imperial adjacent since shootas sort of feel like bolters and they have dreadnoughts and a lot of their troops feel like knockoff imperial troops like storm boyz and kommandos and meganobz. in my opinion at least, if you're looking for something xenos, you want something alien, weird architecture or exotic weaponry or bizarre creatures. orks are fun dont get me wrong, but they feel like a fantasy army more than an alien army. eldar dodges this because their shit is technically elves but its also weird. cone shaped guns, strange bone constructs, crescent shaped flying saucers, teleporters and fusion rifles. you get that strangeness, while orks feel very familiar plucked somewhere out of the wild west, mad max and the great wars. but, all that said, the #1 rule when picking a 40k army is to go with your gut and pick on aesthetics and visual appeal, because if you're gonna spend $800+ on a warhammer army you damn well better like the way it looks.
>>98213285that one is only a few years old. also it has a second pose
>>98213245I second this anons opinions >>98213292Orks are a safe bet for familiarity, but it really comes down to how you like to play and what faction interests you most.
>>98213269so you are conceding to him? guess he is right then.
>>98213303no, (you) aren'tyou get laughed out of here every time you try this manlet
>>98213183Using this model with the 3 Neurolictor strategy to force constant battleshock in nushock era is going to be nice. Makes tyrant guard worthy of something with +1 to hit.
>>98213309assuming the new points dont completely destroy that idea. they said anything that does anything with battleshock is going up up up
>>98213241good>>98213249conflicted boner>>98213280>>98213293Cool model. Hopefully Flopgerdom can deliver some cool Orks too
>be nightmare hunt CSM>take daemon allies: 2 units of (3)nurglings, 2 Skull Cannons(that cause battle shocks)>take 3 units of 10 possessed for munching>110 cultists to abuse +1 hits and wounds+sticky objectives>3 war dog executioners(units killed cause battleshock within 3" of them, gunline armies)>force battleshock on everything every turn, get +1 to hit and wound when they do80pts Nurglings190pts khorne cannons390pts executioners550pts cultists720pts possessed70pts warlord(idk yet)This list sounds fun. Do or pass?
If space marines from different chapters from different primarchs call each other cousins, does that mean that space marines from successing chapters are step-brothers?
>>98213345No because same geneseed
>>98213345No, they are brothers because their geneseed is derived from the same primarch. There is no functional difference between an ultramarine and, for example, mortifactor geneseed.
>>98212269my CSM armyforgive my shitty camera
>>98213245Destiny is dead. Votann might look like it will appeal to you but it will never fill that Destiny-shaped hole in you. That is why you should move on and not buy Votann.
>>98212972AK has a nice duller, cooler gold called Old Gold, and if you do an oil wash over that with raw umber (most people use burnt umber for gold,) and highlight with silver afterward, it makes a pretty good muted sickly gold trim. You'd have to use a less saturated blue than the typical night lords blue to go with it though.
>>98213387Snagged the wrong swatch, this is raw umber.
>>98213394and forgot the pic, holy shit I'm retarded.
>>98212448Perfectly viable in the fluff, especially in 40k.
>>98213292>>98213245>he doesn'twant to play chaos imperium, xenos marines and imperium chaoslollmao
I have questions about Sisters lore.>How do their faith powers work? Is it just Warp/psychic shit, and they're in denial? Because I know Celestine is actually just a warp entity like a daemon, and is vulnerable to anti-daemon technology>How do penitent engines and mortifiers work? As in, how is the person being tortured by them useful to the machine?>Who actually maintains their equipment? Are there Sisters who are just mechanics behind the scenes, maintaining their tanks, or are there tech-priests seconded to the Sisters, etc?>How large is a Covenant? I know a standard space marine chapter is 1000 marines, but how large or small can a Covenant be?>Why can Sisters Repentia, who are normal humans wearing underwear, use chainswords larger than what space marines use? How can they even lift that shit?>How do the Sisters rectify in their minds that space marines are the Emperor's main tools, but that space marines usually deny his divinity?
>>98213446>How do their faith powers work? Is it just Warp/psychic shit, and they're in denial? Because I know Celestine is actually just a warp entity like a daemon, and is vulnerable to anti-daemon technologyQuite literally the only real Religion in 40k, their belief is actually real and they really are blessed by the Emperor. Not a God, but might as well be. Its his Psyker nonsense. Celestine is a Emp greater demon, but not a "demon" as we know it.>How do penitent engines and mortifiers work? As in, how is the person being tortured by them useful to the machine?Their torture fuels the machine spirit and makes it more wrathful; the person's anguish feeds the spirit.>Who actually maintains their equipment? Are there Sisters who are just mechanics behind the scenes, maintaining their tanks, or are there tech-priests seconded to the Sisters, etc?Same way anyone in the Imp does, Admech and kisses on the barrel of the gun to make it fire more.>How large is a Covenant? I know a standard space marine chapter is 1000 marines, but how large or small can a Covenant be?Probably infinitely large, same as the guard, but there aren't that many sisters. So many will only be a couple of hundred thousand each. That and the fact there's not enough relics and power armor, so less then that. Theres no set limit, but not aenough gear or faith.>Why can Sisters Repentia, who are normal humans wearing underwear, use chainswords larger than what space marines use? How can they even lift that shit?Faith and Built different. >How do the Sisters rectify in their minds that space marines are the Emperor's main tools, but that space marines usually deny his divinity?Space Marines are Failures and Mutant Freaks, they at best tolerate them the same way Custodes do but to a lesser degree then even them.
Dark Eldar refresh is coming. I can feel it.
I really hope the next Eldar Combat Patrol and Battalion box are just Craftworld units. Aspect Warriors and Harlequins and Corsairs are all fantastic and I love how much variety there is in the army. But I feel like the humble Aeldari taking up arms to protect their home is also super iconic and it's been kinda sidelined in recent years.
>>98213446>How do their faith powers work?It used to be hinted that it was similar to warp stuff but they seem to be retconning that after 8th.It's now separate from the warp, as evidenced by the sisters not being affected by the warp dampening fields the necrons use.>How do penitent engines and mortifiers work?The person inside it is piloting it, the helm they wear causes them to feel pain and anguish if they are not killing enemies and just slightly less pain and anguish if they are.>Who actually maintains their equipment?This is actually really interesting imho, the sisters and the admech have quite a close bond because one of the people who helped found the sisters made a deal with the admech leader in exchange for part of an STC. It's why they get power armour and sweet rides. They renew the bond every time either gets a new leader. The admech get any STCs the sisters find and then give the girls first dibs on the new shit. It's called the Writ IlluminatSisters train to look after their own equipment but there are tech priests everywhere in the imperium just to look after things.>How large is a Covenant?iirc a preceptory is about 1000 sisters and each order has tens of them.>Why can Sisters Repentia...They are just strong and powered by faith and shame.>Space MarinesIn old lore the sisters despised the space marines and saw them as abominations, new lore is that they see them as beautiful angels of death created by the emperor. The lack of faith is just seen as a quirk usually and they just sort of gloss over it in their minds because they are the emperors creations.
>>98213475How do you feel about the rumor that it will happen next edition but it will only be for the Kabalites, no Wych or Coven stuff?
>>98213085We've got primarchs coming back for the same reason we have anything, to sell plastic toys, you dumb faggot.
So is Lotara a ghost that has control of Angron's ship or something?>Red Angel book has this lady going about issuing orders>MC of the book has enough of this shit and wants to take control>Finds a second command room he's never seen before and finds her mummified corpse>But her corspe is able to move as she turned her head towards Angron coming backSo she's somehow alive but not alive? The fuck is this?
>>98213503Read the heresy books
>>98213503She's merged with the machine spirit. It's not very different from the way long-serving Titan princeps begin to lose their sense of individuality, or Knight pilots imprinting on their Thrones. It's just taken up a notch because of Chaos.
>>98213503Unsurprisingly, the daemon primarchs ship is full of wacky chaos bullshit
>>98213491>It's now separate from the warp, as evidenced by the sisters not being affected by the warp dampening fieldsRetcon that was only made because GW is retarded and shoved sisters into the Pariah Nexus without thinking, and then made up some bullshit so the sisters wouldn't instantly get BTFO by necrons, and hoped the fanbase wouldn't notice.Also we still have 100% confirmations that sister shit is just warp shit.Celestine lost her powers when Cawl and Trazyn activated the pylons on Cadia.And everytime Celestine wants to ressurrect, she finds herself back in the Warp and has to climb a mountain of her own corpses to the top so she can ressurrect. And that mountain of corpses only gets bigger everytime she dies in real space.
>>98213515Yes anon, those are things that happened before the retcon as you are clearly aware.
>>98213465>>98213491Thank you sisteranons.
>>98213491I always thought that Sisters being resistant (but not immune) to the Pariah Nexus stuff was about how powerful their faith was, that their souls were like lights in the Warp to the Emperor so even when everyone else was smothered, they still had a tiny link to the Emperor's power.
>>98213534I would prefer that to be the case but it doesn't seem to be.Hell, the Ephrael Stern book is about her leaning that her powers are not warp-based in any way and that it comes from faith somehow.
>>98213507So she's both the Machine Spirit but also somehow alive?
Maybe faith is supposed to be mysterious and unexplainable because otherwise it wouldn't be a miracle. It is divine and beyond explanation.
>>98213503Honestly it's weird we don't have MORE ghosts in 40k considering how souls and the warp work.
>>98213541Remember that the soul and the body are separate but linked things. Her soul is now of the ship, but she also has her old body still sitting desiccated in the ship. These aren't contradictory. And I doubt her body is in any meaningful way "alive" even if she can make it move a bit.
What are the views on speed paint here
>>98213571Like anything it's a tool that can be used well with intention or can be a sloppy mess if you're lazy with it. I personally haven't gotten very good results with it but I won't say you can't because I've seen some people do good work with it. Someone with more experience might be able to give more specifics.
>>9821314013th Great Company.
>>98213488>aspect warriors are not craftworld units
>>98213571The official stance:1. Using speedpaints on cannon fodder is based and ethical.2. Using speedpaints on leaders is cringe and onions
>>98213588You know what I mean, just regular ass Craftworlders wearing Craftworld colors.
>>98212269I really need to finish the second land fort and sagitaur I have in my backlog.
>>98213571I always paint within the speed limit.
>>98212499And you're not a woman
>>98213099Good eye.I wish i had a deeper bits box though. I wanted some crypt ghoul heads and hands for mummified trophies, i wanted a csm havoc body for the heavy bolter guy. I wanted a even bigger eviscerator for xarl. I wish i had more skin capes from dark eldar or NL upgrade kit.
>>98213515>And everytime Celestine wants to ressurrect, she finds herself back in the Warp and has to climb a mountain of her own corpses to the top so she can ressurrect. And that mountain of corpses only gets bigger everytime she dies in real space.Kinda kek that Celestine jobbed more than avatar of Khaine or Skarbrand
Theyve made new art of mk5 but its stull unreleased.All i wanna do is make some Badab War squads in mixed m5/6/7
>>98213488>box show webway>webway not in box
>>98213652The difference is that Sisters love dying for the Emperor
>>98213044>>98212938If that was the case you'd be in Reddit Hearsay General instead of begging and sneeding for us to acknowledge your precious pissarchs and cuckstodes.
If GW were to lower their prices a ton to the point a box of 5 space marines is $15 or $20, would GW end up making more money?
>>98213571Depends more on the model/army.I strongly think speedpaints work better for fantasy than sci fi on average. Things like skaven, crypt ghouls, goblins, skeletons can look great with just brow primer, bone drybrush, 5 speedpaints/washes, and a steel metallic.
>>98213663No.
>>98213571A symptom of a deeper illness.
>>98213653>new art of mk5This is actually the old FW mk5Yes nu mk5 is still unreleased. Give mk5 for space sharks plz
>>98213663Minimal at best. Let's assume that would double the demand for their miniatures: they would have to massively increase their production capacity too, otherwise they would run out of product. This is a massive initial investment, while also lowering prices. Not gonna happen.Also, the market for little plastic space marines is limited. There is simple not an unlimited amount of greasy autists around.
>>98213304but he is right though. those maps look unrealistic and gamie.and you seem to have not counter argument.so I guess you lost.
>tfw just about everything i have probably wont get a points increase, if the hints are true>a few units will most likely get a points decreasehow do you think your army will be affected by the points changes, /40kg/?
>>98212701holy fuck those baseplates are fucking huge. that midfield objective is going to be a shitfight
>>98212358>>98212361is it the same posters that defend ratfag in every thread? remember theres also a poster that owns models that no one likes so that isnt really a defence
>>98213689>300+ point rogal dorns>200+ point leman russes
>>98213571some models are great for it (nids) while it looks awful on other models like tau and anything with lots of smooth / flat surfaces. personally i think they are great for painting heaps of chaff, ill most likely be using them for all the boyz and grots in the armageddon box. in saying that seeing an entire army painted with speedpaints makes me a little sick, like land raiders covered in blood angels redalso speedpaints at large have huge variance of quality, some are amazing while others are just terrible. this general has a massive hatred for them but that most likely comes from people who dont paint themselves
>>98213695+ the penalty for taking multiple of the same unit, i forgot about that
>>98213689I don't care, modern rules don't tickle my kind of autism
>>98213683The legs and helmet look like the new design.
>>98213689Some things will go up, some things will go down. Such is the way of things. If armies get a bit smaller I wouldn't mind, 2k currently gets you so much fucking stuff.
I think Blood Angels are the funniest space marines. Space Wolves definitely rival them, because taking all the baggage of Space Marines as roided-out space warriors in a crumbling sci-fi dark age empire and saying >"... but they're also VAMPIRES!"or >"...but they're also WEREWOLVES!"is just really funny.But I think Blood Angels take the cake because we're told they keep discplined by mastering cultural arts relatable to us, like traditional painting or playing the violin or whatever. That's already absurd. But then we see the standard Space Marine daily diary and it has like 15 minutes of free contemplation time amidst the drills and prayers and workouts and shit. So they master these arts in those 15 minutes.But THEN also they need to fucking drink blood, so they master those arts in those 15 minutes while also snacking on some poor chapter serf's carotid. Like>4PM: Learn "Paganini's Caprice No. 24" and drink 3 pints of blood>4:15PM: Back to the bolter drillsIt's great. The vampire image really just does not work when you think about the detail, but they have this superficial overlay of both being perfect tortured artistés and inhuman beasts all the same.
>>98213714Ok.
>>98213661What are you even yapping about
>>98213714seeing shit like this makes me think blood angels are indeed the gayest chapter
>>98213711I have no idea why theyd bother remaking mk4, when they could be making mk5 or mk7 for the scouring.
>>98212215Considering coming back to 40k after not having looked at it since late 7th or early 8th. What do I need to know about how deldar are these days (or will be in 11th)?
>>98213769Great, just what this places needs, another DEfag
>>98213772isnt it just the one ritual poster?
>>98213711Looks like yes but if you count the studs on the leg you'll see that old FW mk5 has>3 2 3While the nu mk5 has>2 2 2Now this is rivet countingHelmet is similar enough, so since the rest of the armor is clearly FW mk5, it's safe to assume the whole of the artwork is based on it.
>>98213747>horus heresy 2.0 game>heresy mark still not available after 4 yearsThe problem of mk5 is that the studs are a nightmare for plastic injection unless you make a lot of tiny parts (which I wouldn't mind, let me build warhammer like gundams and ww2 vehicles you cowards) AND that it's only for absolute based patricians, the pleb can't into the studs.
The general has been cozy lately. I wonder why.
>>98213689I play CSM and don't run any defilers so I'm assuming units will change in cost by such small margins that they'll balance themselves out and my list will likely stay the same or have minor changes at most.
>>98213689It'll probably still suck just like 10th.
>>98213833Because I've been singlehandedly replying to baitfags and focused their attention on me, then destroyed them with impeccable logic, boring them into silence.
>>98212910Curze >I'm so edgy waaaa>I have visions of edgy things waaa>Does absolutely nothing of value>Gets frozen>DiesAt least Ferrus tried to get shit done and end the HH before it got even worse. Failed miserably, but at least he tried.
>>98212910Jobber implies the point was to show how powerful fulgrim was by killing ferrus, while the actual point was the betrayal and corruption.Ferrus therefore isn't a jobber.
>>98213833that’s cause this entire thread has been me samefagging all the replies, and I’ve been in the mood for my “characters” to act nice for a change. the only two posters in this are you and me :)
>>98213123I suppose you could look at it like this: there are loads of references to the Blood Angels being skilled artists, but there are virtually zero examples available to us, the outside observers, that demonstrate not only the Blood Angels' artistic skill but also their refined sensibilities. We're told these things as a matter of fact, but we don't actually get to look at it and judge for ourselves.
>>98213810Since you want to get into literal rivet counting: Grill is new MkV. Knees are new MkV. Shoulder pad is new MkVI, rather than old or new MkV. The rest is old MkV or something shared by both designs. It's an amalgamation of designs, since the final product probably wasn't fully decided on yet, so they did what they could.
>>98213873Thanks babe.
>>98213689Eldar will some minor decreases that probably won't amount to much. New transport rules suck for them.BAngles, well they said that fast melee will get points hiked, hopefully things they're bad against will get points hiked harder, wonder if Sang Guard will be hit with the 3 unit tax.Custodes I have no clue, they will probably nerf jetbikes despite the fact that they've been never ever played because with the fly rule they actually are faster than infantry.
>>98213885Good catch on the helmet, knees and pauldron.I'm not sure if we can say the "final design" isn't fully decided on yet, but then again GW changes small things before release, like with numk2.I'm baffled by how unreliable GW is, it's not rocket science.
>>98212269slopping out some basecoats
>>98213683You should check out Tortuga if you want space shark stuff
>>98213714>But then we see the standard Space Marine daily diary and it has like 15 minutes of free contemplation time amidst the drills and prayers and workouts and shit.This is actually the silliest part of all that. Way dumber than the cannibals and furries.
>>98211849If you establish STCs to look a certain way, across multiple eras, factions and circumstances. And then some dudes who use a near perfect STC suddenly use a completely different aesthetic, EXCEPT for the weapon gubbins (muzzles & mags mostly), it's not good design. Especially when it's a remake of models who didn't have this problem before and were thus in line with the established look of the STC tech before the redesign.You can like nu vansaar, that's okay, but to me, a big autist, it's gonna stick out like a sore thumb.I like Jes Goodwin's style of tech, you don't have to share my tastes.
>>98213900They're cool but they lean too much into the maori thing, which I was never a fan of.I'll just learn blender to make custom bling inspired by tyberos & stuff.
>>98213104That's all I use for white, and black. Work great as a base layers.
>>98213891Sometimes GW can have designs ready almost a decade before the final product is released (like with the current Eldar jetbikes) and sometimes they can make changes to the design between the pre-production models they give to their team to paint and photograph for the store/box art and what they ship to customers (5e Russ plasma sponsons come to mind).
>>98213936If there's one thing I've learnt from trying to understand GW is that they're winging it all the time
>>98213936The Russ plasma sponson comparison between what's in the box and what was showcased on the box/store images.
>>98213914>If you establish STCs to look a certain wayyou are a goddamn nigger retard. you have TERMINAL autism. I would pray for a soul, but you dont have one
>>98213955I'm still correct, thanks to my autism, which also shields me from your anger as I am unable to grasp your emotions. I just can't stop winning.
>>98213962>I am autistic, I live in a delusional fantasy land where the "best" GW is the one that is a perfect crystallization of all its components, exactly as I first learned about them (and understood it,even if wrong), and any new information fails to insert into this headcannon matrix makes me uncomfortable. I have read countless wiki articles, but read maximum 1 actual book a year. Autism is my superpower.I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you actually assemble and paint models, as your disability does make you decent at repetitive monotonous tasks.
>>98213962
>>98213962kek Based
>>98213974All I'm reading is>I refuse to acknowledge my own mental gymnastic around the fact the nu van saar were not designed to fit with the existing STC technology. Since I am a fan of that design I will see any perceived criticism of it as a personal attack. Since I feel attacked, I will attack you instead, as to shift the issue onto you and not my own inability to accept different opinionsI do wish you a nice day, you seem to need it.
>>98213896Your style is somewhat uncomfortable minimalistchad
>>98213962You aren't right, you're just an autistic spazzoid shitting all over the walls thinking you're a painter.
how do I git gud with eldar? friend I play with is a guardfag, we're both new, and he constantly kicks my ass every game. I have nothing over him constantly sitting out +1 buffs to every single one of his units, and even when I kill his infantry I don't have enough stuff to kill his tanks. wat do.
>>98213992>nu van saar don't fit the already existing STC stuff!>look inside>they just look like the original designs and ape off the old designs Jes made decades ago
>>98214033more wraithguardmore dragons
>>98213992>>98213962autistic "people" should have their own internet. or not allowed on it. when are we getting the JFK farms.
>>98214035>t.
>>98214060Autists built the Internet. Normies can go and have their Balkanized little safe space internets where they don't have to fear being disagreed with.
>>98214073Thats true, but like jokaeros in 40k they should be kept in safe little colonies and allowed only to work on network architecture without shitting up the rest of human civilization
>>98214033What's your list?
>Go into a 40k thread>complain about autism and attention to detail>get madDo people really?
>>98214073>Autists built the Internetyou didn't build shit, you're just a sperg, not the kind of functioning autist that can actually build anything, you don't belong anywhere but the asylum.
>>98214033need to see your units. whats your anti tank look like? Guard are pretty good into eldar because while you can slaughter their infantry they are better at having junk to hold points than you and their tanks will stat check you. maybe you need more disposable guys to hold points? or more anti tank to actually have an answer to vehicles.
>>98212227Banshees
>>98213882>go into the blood angels museum vault of artistic masterpieces>it's a bunch of crayon scrawls
What's the best way to get into 40k that gives me just enough knowledge to know what people are talking about without reading every single BL book? I've only played the vidya and read some of the books. Are the codexes the best next step?
>>98214143Codexes all serve as great primers into the faction with tons of random tidbits and a short story or two. Beyond that, there are some games but 40k games tend to vary wildly in quality. You could also be a tertiary and just go cons00m the wiki
>>98214143Passively existing in 40k related discussions and absorbing the knowledge through memes and shitposts.
>>98214143Yes, codices are good, start from the first edition and go up from there, you'll also get a feeling of what has changed and where it's going.
>>98214143you can get all the info you would ever need from reading the codex and rulebooks and supplementing with lexicanum pages whenever you find something that needs explained further.ideally you want older rulebooks as they have more extensive and dense fluff pages, like 5th edition.
>>98213446penitent engine -> mortifier -> anchoritesthe agonies of the heretic bound to the engine drive them to charge the engine into the most violent part of battle and and attract as much enemy fire as possible, while doing as much damage as possible, with the expected result. The anchorite is a special case because the 'operator' of the anchorite is inside an armoured capsule - the operator is stuck inside the anchorite until it is utterly destroyed or they die - years or even decades of continuous agony
>>98214094The seething posters are the ones with a collection of Easy to Build Primaris Marines
>TQMy dynasty has a pretty even record so I portray them in an endless grinding stalemate on all fronts
>>98214150>>98214153>>98214154>>98214158Thanks anons. Codexes and rulebooks are my next stop
>>98214061This shit is just the fucking nu van saar.The only blind retard motherfucker over here is you and you Trisomy 21 having ass.
>>98214189Forgot image
>>98214195Holy soul
>>98212362Love these. Where did you get the ponytail on the top left model? And the ones on the right and the center bottom?
>>98214120I like to imagine that they are very technically competent and might avail themselves of luxurious materials, but are completely lacking in taste or originality. Basically, if they have a museum gallery, it holds ten thousand years' worth of very expensive kitsch. Because I don't expect originality comes easy to a bunch of guys who already have a limited emotional range and who all live in the same place, all doing the same monotonous things, and have all been hypnotized and drilled to think the same way.It's been ten thousand years and the only artistic motifs they seem capable of even contemplating are abs, blood, and angel wings. They're only gonna be able to put so much spin on that before it gets trite.
>>98213376Very cool WB, grats
>>98214192Whatever helps you cope with your disabilities.
>>98214192>arr rook same
>>98214189>>98214195Fukin noiceI need to get my hands on some planetary/mighty empire tiles
>>98214223>"Commander Dante, Brother Sforza has sketched a touching portrait of domestic labourers in charcoal. There's not a wing or a breasplate in sight.">"Confine him to the Black Tower immediately."
>>98214083>>98214110We've been mostly playing 1k point games for practice since we keep forgetting unit abilities like retards.>2x autarch with fusion gun and banshee blade, one with defender of the paths (warlord), other had ethereal pathway.>2x guardian squads with brightlance>2x5 man DA squad plus 1x10 man DA squad, exarchs are all using twin avenger shuriken catapults>2 falcons, both loaded with one of the 5man DA squads.one falcon started in reserves to deep strike, second deployed on the field with the ethereal path autarch attached to the DA squad. Warlord was attached to the 10man DA brick, both guardian squads were infiltrated onto table edge objectives in cover, crucible of battle deployment zones.
>Sigvald gets his own bespoke army list with a unique respawn abilityThe 40k team should take notes
>tfw lost my last 7 gamesI might as well just stick to painting and leave it at that
>>98214305Army? List archetype? Some armies are just hard maybe you'd be happier with a stat check list that doesn't need any skill
>>98214305Play OnePageRules, actual 40k is a humiliation ritual
>>98214293forgot to mention my falcons have shuriken cannons and brightlances. opponent was running siege regiment with 2x20man bricks of cadians, one with attached command squad and castellan, a rogal dorn with pulveriser and oppressor, and a taurox carrying a 10man kasrkin squad with attached castellan and ursala creed.
>>98214321Orks / gsc, just playing odd datachments atm. Im going to stick with it even if it means a lose for a while, might be different in 11e>>98214324Thats interesting, never seen that before
Cute!
>>98214195>making your own homebrewbased>writing down a map of your homebrew with pencil double based>referring to the tau by their slave namecringe
>>98213769Well if the last time you played was the end of 7th then DE have had a massive glow up competitively since then. They were a terror for a while in 9th and have been kept largely in check since then. Our characters went from worthless to total monsters in melee, our transports have actually been reasonably effective now thanks to some additional rules, and our shooting got better so we can still always fall back on Dark Lance spam. GW now proscribes specific terrain layouts and they are usually dense enough to give DE good place to hide and stage for counter strikes to punish greedy foes. Also the way scoring works now with secondary missions really favors the DE style of many small mobile units to cover the board. But the game has become a lot more durable recently and Dark Eldar have kind of been left as one of the most fragile armies in the game, only when moreso now. They're still fun and technical and can donate lot of damage but misplays or one bad roll or being caught out of position can be extremely punishing and make them hard to do well with. That is only going to get more apparent in 11th edition with new cover and terrain rules too.Also they got rebranded to "Drukhari" to make them more copyright friendly, but everyone still calls them Dark Eldar.
>>982143057 games is nothing. I went 13-0 against Votann last year, same guy, same army.
>>98214357Everyone in my group who played Tau stopped playing them so I don't respect them enough to call them by their real name
>>98214371I think I lost 12 games in a row in my crusade league with AdMech at the start of 10th edition
>>98214354Next put an ordnance battery on top.
>>98214293You need to have some trash units like rangers or corsairs to sit on objectives or run out and do stuff/provoke reaction without worrying about them dying/not participating.You only run big units so losing even one is a massive blow.You're kinda fucked, you need your entire army to hit dorn at the same time and even then you might not kill it. If you play on a smaller table (for a 1k) this seems pretty winnable. If you play on a bigger table you need to avoid dorn shooting at the falcons as long as possible while getting the infantry at same time.Btw all your unitts other than falcon are really terrible right now and falcons aren't taken for the anti-tank prowess.
>>98212227as a cwe/deldar combo chud, it dependsI think from a “competitive viability standpoint” serpent’s brood with the new ranger detachment is a good choice. your quins can fight in the midfield while the rangers screen for deep strikes. shroud runners, the bike rangers, are durable for elves (9 wounds at t4 for 80 points counts as durable) and add some speed to go grab points. with the current detachments and rules, corsairs with a quin splash is viable, but not quins with a corsairs viable. meaning, your “corsairs” will have more strats/enhancements/rules than your quins in that combo. that being said, they pair together well. corsair voidreavers and skyreavers are cheap and expendable, you can use them to do objectives while your clowns focus on fighting. the corsair detachment that gives advance and charge is big money for your clowns. the other corsair detachment also affects ranger and shroud runners, so you could rock rangers, pirates, and clownsOn the subject of deldar, reaper’s wager is a fun detachment. sweats will either run just a solitare or no quins at all, but it’s really fun to run that army properly 50/50 deldar and harlequins
>>98212269my Deldar in progress
>>98213692The thing that gets me is that Bae is probably the Holomem that's least interested in 40k. It's like posting a pic of Jeff Goldblum because his Jurassic Park character talked a lot about Chaos Theory.>>98213689Grimnyr going up in points a lot because it affects battleshock and has psychic weapons.Hekaton Land Fortress going up a lot because it's a heavy tank.Pioneers and Kapricus going up a lot because they fly.Kapricus Defender will get a 10 point discount if it takes the rotary cannon instead of the railgun.Beserks not getting any discount because GW thinks melee is good.Earthshakers staying the same because even though Indirect Fire sucks now the shells no one takes cause battleshock.Dogmata going up because it penalizes Battleshock tests. (Even though it can't trigger them on its own.)Paragon Warsuits, Redemption Engines, Castigators all going up.Discount on Exorcists.Kill Rig going up because it has a psychic weapon (Even though the psychic buff does nothing) and because it's technically a strong melee vehicle.
>>98212215>bro shows you some kitbash/conversion work he did>immediately zero in on how he absolutely fucked something up on a basic conceptual level>not even petty 40k specific lore gripes, but basic a misunderstanding of something even orks would get correct>it's already painted and shit>tfw being supportive because he's so happy and proud about his workThankfully it wasn't something on the level of putting a leg on backwards, but damn it looked rough.
>>98214419>sweats will either run just a solitare or no quins at allYou run 1 solitaire and 1 boat with troupe and troupe master with scout enhancement to flip twice.
How are you supposed to screen out your backline if you play a melee army? Just 20 grots for orks?
>>98214449What's the conversion?
>>98214373no, I change my mind, this is kino of the highest order.
>>98214449the fact you don't say what's actually wrong is suspicious.
>>98214354>pulled up the side skirt to expose the suspensionOh, you little slut...
>>98214453>>98214471Some minor shit that set off my /k/ autism. Almost splitting hairs if I'm keeping it 100. Even though it was a few days ago, I don't want to be specific about it. I won't be the one to tell him that he did some really dumb shit when customizing his non-ork gun.
>>98214350Yeah those are pretty hard to play armies. Having played Orks for a long time they struggle against tough elite armies at a casual level mainly Custodes, Death Guard and Knights which are all very popular, from what I've seen GSC is similarIf that's what is happening you unfortunately need to either build to meet the stat check (ghaz, wazdakka, breakas, bustas, snaggas, beastboss, tankbustas, SAGmek) or present a stat check of your own with a horde, fast attack jail, or high toughness spam (battlewagons, nauts for example)
>>98213571I genuinely don't know what makes them faster than normal painting, considering you still have to shade + layer + highlight. On top of that, they are less forgiving and not beginner friendly at all (despite being marketed as such).
>>98214437>Bae is probably the Holomem that's least interested in 40k.I'd say that's the twins, Rizzler, or Liz, andthat's a shame for the only britbong.
>>98214489i’m gonna be real with you.It can’t be worse than what abominations gw has already put out.
>>98213355>>98213350ok then
>gw is awful at balancing>lets just add another layer of balance with DISPOSITIONS (forced scenario missions) >also were going to be nerfing melee and blood surging units, two units that are only in armies with 40% win rate and have never been competitively viableIt is like they genuinely do want people to play their game.
>>98214476>PoV: you're about to be inspected by the Techpriest
>>98214525they don't care about the game being good, it doesn't have to be for people to buy their shit, they just need to make the pigs delusional enough to think stuff is moving and eventually improving
>>98214350Orks are fucked, but gsc is going to be S tier. Purge the foe with a rr1's detachment wehre they can 6" deep strike in a game where coherency rules makes screening them impossible? Yeah 11th is going to hand them wins on a silver platter. People testing against GSC dont even deploy, they just say the GSC player wins because it is genuinely spending 3 hours of watching someone slow roll deep strike shooting they cant avoid and die.
>>98214532>Purge the foe withalready failed, GSC have no damage. rr1s is not that great.They are going to be broken because they have enough trash to max out recon comfortably though.Although Nobody learned to play Outlander Claw in 10th, maybe they won't in 11th either. As you showed people have trouble conceptualizing not winning by tabling.
>>98214532Tbf i was running final day before i stopped playing them, and im fairly retarded so it wasnt working for me. Are you talking about stacking host of ascension with a 1 point detachment? I thought host was already 3 points
>>98214525They're trying to make it more narrative and fun. Comptrannies should be hung by their pseudodicks and pelted with rocks
>>98214525I think dispositions and the mission matrix are great. I think locking each detachment to 1 disposition or forcing each army to have access to all five even if it’s terrible (take and hold/purge for deldar) is bad
>>98214557final day is purge, host is take and hold, he's talking about Final Day + Killers
>>98214567Take and Hold + Purge both make perfect sense for Deldar>Need to capture an area from the enemy military for long term slave catching>Want to kill a bunch of fucking people for fun
>>98214567I think 3 pointers should have 2 dispos, it's what they did for kill team when they moved from multiple fireteams to exclusively one fireteam per team
>>98214584That or change the number of dipos from 2/3, to 3/4
>>98214525Isn't blood surge terrible now anyway? Since they get to hit you first now, whereas in 10th the defending player hits first.
Exodites!
>>98214606No. Fuck off.
>>98214606You think jes won't give them anemic lizards?
>>98214606New engine of the gods for aos lizardmen
>>98214611>he specified the dinosaur nameit's over
>>98214562Is the narrative in the room with us now? Dispositions are railroading playstyles, it isnt narrative.
>>98212307I think it takes a bit of work but they can be the coolest.>psychos forced to work with straight laced normie marines>led by an Inquisitor so have to submit to mortal authority>Inquisitor at the lead means Marines having to adjust to social situations and grey areas of Imperial morality instead of the simple shoot everything lifestyleIf you bring those factors together it's cool.
>>98214618>new engine of the godswhy the fuck would it be that lol, that model is fine.
>>98214567Have you actually played them? You either have baby's first primary scoring or you have CHOREHAMMER the board game. I played against a disruption disposition and they killed 0 of my army but performed actions the entire game and scored 93 points. I scored 100 by killing them. The entire time we enjoyed the game simply by making fun of how fucking awful it was and how retarded unfun it is.
>>98213689>thousand sonsdas it mane
>>98214606it seems either very very very small, or sculpted badly like some oldhammer metal brought back for old world.seraphon feathers are a lot more smooth and well sculpted.
>>98214532>Orks are fuckedHow so? I'm thinking of running green tide + more Dakka to have 120 tough Boyz pumping out shoota and choppa attacks on objectives while tankbustas and lootas take care of beefier stuff. Seems like a pretty fun combo.
>>98214605Correct, active player chooses combat first, so blood surge units that are in remaining combats will be hit by an opponent just so long as they dont actually charge another unit in your army. This is even more hilarious becuase world eaters, who had it first, have no durability so the only way you can use blood surge is by taking a 360pt+105pt leader brick of bezerker, which is fucked by the new coherency rules. 20 berzerkers charging a 10 man of termiantors cannot actually get in engagement of the enemy without getting out of coherency. The average unit with anti infantry will kill 14 of them. You will go blood surge into them and they will not charge you and then punch you first and then you die. So of course, GW says "lets nerf blood surge". The design team is actively a threat to anyone who wants to enjoy the game and are mentally retarded.
>>98214606at this point I don't even want exodites to come back since they will get either botched or be just three totally overpowered units. can't have anything nice anymore
>>98214525I'm 100% convinced all the bullshit they add/change is to make extra garbage for people to buy.
>>98214195gigabased
>>98214645>coherency 9" for hoard boys is dead on arrivalGo ahead and play around with 20 boyz with 32mm bases and a leader on a 40mm or larger (or Ghaz for that nightmare) and see how impossible it is to engage something like a land raider or a 10 man marine squad. You will have about 5--7 boys sitting their with their dick in their hands unable to attack.
>>98214195Do you really have someone playing lizardmen in 40k? or is that just a nod to an aos army of yours?
>>98213865>>98213870I suppose you're right, Curze is objectively a bigger loser.
>>98214532>GSC S tier>when they're about to get bilked 5 ways to sunday on new points increasessure. get ready for 250pt neophyte squads
>>98214577purge the foe auto loses the mirror match. deldar is hyper fragile min size units, you will very rarely if ever be able to kill more units than your opponent kills of yours.
>>98214645fuck lootas, they never hit anything. now flash gitz are my bread and butter. also 40 shots with sustained is just mad funny
>>98214634Yeah, from what I have seen of play test games, it is a very high scoring game for everyone since everyone is always picking a primary that's easy for their army.
>>98214679>run flaah gitz last game>20 shots>2 hits on average, mostly 5sIt was fucking torture
>>98214661this literally never was a problem since Boyz pack such a punch. remember it's still a horde army basically. if all your models actually fight, most likely something has gone sideways
>>98214661Genuine quiestion: do the new rules make it so you can't you risk it and charge your unit so they're out of coherency and then consolidate after you kill the target?
>>98214687half squads are always torture for orks. especially when focusing on ranged, shot volume is the only thing that counts since orks just shoot for the funny sounds it makes
>>98214697Yes, you cannot be set up or move out of coherency. >>98214691Basic stat math on boyz in melee would greatly disagree with you. If you are paying for 20 boyz and you can only reliably swing with 14, then you might as well only play with 10 mans. Orks kill via volume, so Im going to assume youre just talking out of your ass without having actually done the math on their melee output
No army is going to benefit more or less than any other army due to the rules changes, because everything will be balanced by points costs. Stop worrying.
>>98214701sometimes i wish orks were more like the aos versions
>>98214715>"""balanced""">he already forgot the start of 10th lol
>>98214681Okay, Ive tested 30+ games up and its basically chorehammer vs killhammer and most people are picking worse detachment combinations simply to get kill hammer since chorehammer is for cuckholds. This effectively made armies who were waiting for a refresh in gameplay basically play the same thing they were doing before becuase they cant do anything else and armies who were already S tier in the meta having even more options. There are about 6-8 factions that are always "good and fun" and have synnergy and the rest are basically antagonists for the design teams headcanon narrative.
>>98214679Won't lootas have a better time hitting now that objectives are easier to tag, giving them full rerolls more often? If I'm moving I'm hitting on 6s anyway so cover doesn't mean anything to them, either.>>98214661I don't think it'll be that hard. It's within 9", not wholly within. Sure we'll be blobbed up but if 20 Boyz are still alive by the time I've gotten into melee then the opponent has already lost. My plan with the Boyz is just to hold the objectives, they're not my main damaging force. They're the wall the opponent has to break through while my other shit kills them.
>>98214715>because everything will be balancedLMAO
>>98214714>mathhammer>arguing dice odds with an ork play especially either you're stupid or just not fun to play with. it's minmaxxing faggots like you that made the hobby unbearable. go pay to argue with the judge about your "battle ready" models, tourneyfag
>>98214723What are the armies that are always good and fun? Asking for a friend.
>>98214724>Won't lootas have a better time hitting now that objectives are easier to tagmight be, don't hold your breath tho. I'm convinced most units get updated data sheets to account for such stuff. either the wording gets changed, effectively nerving them via rules or the get nerved through points increase
>>98214634Things That Happened
>>98214715>because everything will be balanced
>>982146689e was so bad we switched to Grimdark Future, buddy of mine plays the Saurian Starhosts using his lizardmen
>>98214716I wish grots were more like AoS. kills me is die that we still didn't get a grot specific detachment
>>98214715Yeah because GW has a really good track record of balancing points as eightbound are 45 points per model with 4a ap-2 d2 each and NO abilities other than +1hit. Custodian Guard are 40 points a model, can be lead, reroll wounds, shoot with damage 2 guns and can SHOOT TWICE with access to better army rules than world eaters. Is the point balance in the room with us now?10th proved that point costs mean nothing when your datasheets and army rules suck balls.
>>98214759necrons vs lizards must be fun
>>98214738Just because I can rotate an apple in my head and breath while chewing on food doesnt mean Im a minmaxxing faggot, retard. Im explaining to you that you cant even use 20 boyz in combat with the new rules as you are arguing about using 20 boyz. You cannot use all 20 of them, so the design is bad. If youre playing orks, which suck, its all about flavor but now you cant even use a hoard of green orks properly without breaking the rules.
>>98214489>complaining about /k/tism on 40K gunsOkay, so you're just retarded. Got it.
>>98214739Necrons, Space marines.... Just look at who we know is on teh design team and what armies they play.
>>98214800...who do we know plays what on the design team? ELI5
>>98214627>Dispositions are railroading playstyles
This is absolutely new Exodites and couldn't possibly be Seraphon and I won't accept any arguments at this time
>>98214816what if it's a tzeentchian spawn?
>>982145843 pointers should absolutely have 2 dispositions and its probably the first thing they'll patch. Especially since some armies literally only have 3p detachments so they are hard-locked to 1 disposition.
>>98214794And I'm trying to tell you that never have I seen a full squad of boyz make a charge and all of them fight. the situations for this to happen are so rare and your opponent has to set themselves up for it. so literally nothing changes and orks either get the short end of the stick (as per usual) or we will see a change in rules/data sheets (also very likely). at this point getting upset about something like this is just plain useless. we WILL see adjustments and eratas almost weekly in the near future until all the kinks have been smoothed out. let's talk again in a year when they managed to fuck it up in a whole different way
>>98214807>play world eaters>get demonkin detachment/>get another detachment that buffs heroes or terminators>dispositions are locked into doing objectives to score primary and secondary and not kill anything>summoning hoards of demons of the literal manifestation of wrath and anger alongside termiantors who are labled "butchers">they do chores to scoreIm going to hold your hand when I say this, but forcing someone to score via doing actions and not killing when playing a killing demon army is in fact forcing a playstyle.
>>98214790I haven't gotten to do that matchup yet, we did a big 3v3 game of Guard vs Lizards though. Autocannons ripped through all the lizard cavalry but good god the Carnosaur was hungryThe current ongoing fronts are the Necrons vs Orthodox Black Templars on Karick IV, as well as Necrons vs Orks. I wanna get my buddies who I placed in the south back into the game again, but they've been infected by the Magic the Gathering virus
>>98214827>ive never seen a full squad of boyz make a charge and all of them fightOh so you are actually retarded, nevermind.Let me guess, playing the game properly to hit in melee with every model is "minmaxxing comp faggotry"? Please elaborate
>>98214827>just wait for a point change>wait for a faq>wait for the codex>wait for the new faq>wait for the new point change>wait for the new missionpack>wait for the new faq>wait for the new point change>wait for the new edition>wait for the new edition FAQ(you are here)>wait for the new point change>wait for the codexand so on....
>>98214807I love when WAACfags pretend detachments are so sovlful and narrative in order to demand GW make sure their go-to detachment should remain competitively viable.This system is great because you can actually make a list you think is cool and doesn't skew any one way and have a way better chance to find a good combination of detachments to make it work compared to 10th.>>98214828Same mentality that resulted in Knights getting 100 OC. If you'd rather throw a tantrum than set aside 200 points of action monkeys better play a different game. If not doing actions is so important to you take the same list and play a purge detachment. "you reroll hit rolls of 1 and have access to a stratagem to give your guys a +5 FnP" is not actually a fundamental part of your army identity.
>>98214816It's lizardman shit for TOW.
>>98214842>lizardman >TOW
>>98214841>This system is great because you can actually make a list you think is cool and doesn't skew any one waythe whole point of the new detachment and disposition system is to skew lists. cynically, it's to make balance easier so that there's only a handful of meta lists for each faction.
>>98214833literally wtf do you mean? I played like a dozen games as orks myself and the big squad size is best utilized as canon fodder. Boyz are your chaff unit so it's totally expected of them to loose models early, essentially wasting your opponents shooting phase. what do I care if you kill five models, I still have ten that gonna make the charge. that's where pain boys or kff come into play. I genuinely think you're baiting right now
>>98214837always has been
>>98214855>the whole point of the new detachment and disposition system is to skew lists.Have you ever played a game of 10th? In 10th every army had one or two good detachments and a majority of them buffed only a handful of units. This whole system exists as a response to that.
What you'd think the rumor engine is for:>gauging demand and finding new ideas for what people might wantWhat the rumor engine actually is for:>cheap advertising to generate hype
>>98214749>>98214724Im guessing lootas will get a refresh and the entire datasheet will change, a smaller more expensive unit where everything is 2 wounds each and different guns, wouldnt be surprised if they lost the reroll on objectives and we got some sort of suppressed debuff instead
If the van saar gang in Necromunda has a fancy STC that shits our their cool gear, why don't the boys from Mars or the Imperium at large kick their shit in and start getting better gear for the war effort? I can't imagine the gang of dudes with super cancer and loads of high tech shit have managed to go completely unnoticed.
>>98214878>What you'd think the rumor engine is for:>>gauging demand and finding new ideas for what people might wantWhat? Why would I think that?
>>98214841>This system is great because you can actually make a list you think is cool and doesn't skew any one way and have a way better chance to find a good combination of detachments to make it work compared to 10th.Thats great anon, please perform 5 actions on terrain every turn and then do 2 additional secondaries a turn as well to win. Are you having fun?
>>98214828>Picks the detachments that support different playstyles>Noooooo I'm locked into these different playstyles, why are you railroading meeeeePlease let go of my hand
>>98214841>just take the purge detachment>" way better chance to find a good combination of detachments to make it work compared to 10th."you contradicted yourself in the same post, lol.Yes people are actively choosing worse detachment combinations just so they can play the disposition they want because dispositions are railroading playstyles. >200pts of trashyou do realize there are dozens of armies who dont even have access to that, right? or people who dont want to play that way? What do they do?
GSC bros, what units / detachments are we expecting to be strong in 11e? Ive seen outrider claw get mentioned a fair bit so far
>>98214863Aw man he keeps replying like a retard. the original topic was "using all 20 in melee". the "5 not being used in melee wasnt them dying! darn reading comprehension just shit itself haha keep replying though I do like a good ork retard
>>98214412I was attempting to focus his infantry and taurox and leave the dorn so I could just camp objectives while he ran around wasting time, but he got first turn and annihilated one of my guardian squads turn one and charged the second with a brick of cadians. It was fun killing them in melee with the blades of asuryan strategem, but yeah not having anything to deal with the dorn fucked me over. Would a wraith list or aspect list with fire dragons have been better or is eldar just really hard at 1k points?
>>98214882Because they don't know that. Necromunda is just one world, and van saars are just one gang that's keeping it as secret as possible.If the dark angels and blood angels can hide their secret for 10k years, I can believe some gangers in the depth of some hivecity can escape the mechanicus' gaze.>>98214884Because that's exactly how it's been used elsewhere and people love trying to guess what it is, exposing their own wishes.The fact you are confused or even offended at the idea explains very well why it's not used that way by the retards at GW.
>>98214880I think this is fine. I don't like the suppressed debuff but rerolls have been a major gripe this edition so I would understand that decision
>>98214887>pick demon detachment and terminator detachment>pick blood angels "assault group" >dont get to kill maim or burn>dont get to "assault"Its like people want to play a different mix up of their army since 10th was so bland but the options are now choosing between playing how you want or playing something new how you dont want to play. People will just choose a worse detachment so they can play how they want, thats dogshit game design if your player is actively picking a detachment that doesnt buff any units in your army just to play the way they want. you clearly havent played a single 11th game, lmao post models
>>98214833>>98214827I'm very interested in this subject, units of 20 Boyz being able to all fight or mostly fight would really change how I play my favorite list, green tide.When I go on lunch I'll take some example pictures and measure out how easy it is to get all 20 Boyz into combat while remaining in coherency when fighting a small infantry unit, a large infantry unit, a small vehicle, and a large vehicle.My theory is that it should be rather easy to get all 20 or at least more than 15 into combat provided you're not blocked by terrain. I'm basing this off of old game photos where I have a good number of Boyz in combat while looking like they follow current coherency rules.
Will infantry be worth anything outside of combo memes and action cucks this edition or will vehicles continue raping?
>>98214648you vill walk the dinosaur
>>98214914yeah being deliberately obtuse is winning the argumentyou still didn't give any examples to the contrary btw. you claimed orks got fucked, I claimed nothing changed since you don't get all of them in anyway. just name one (1) scenario where you're likely to get all boyz in fighting range and I concede. but you won't since your a fucking brainlet
>>98214926First time ive seen someone run a painboss desu
>green tideMy back couldnt handle moving that many models in one game, im getting too old
>>98214922>People will just choose a worse detachment so they can play how they want, thats dogshit game design if your player is actively picking a detachment that doesnt buff any units in your army just to play the way they wantAlternatively they could just pick units and detachments that support what they're trying to do with their army. If that's too difficult, no worries, I'm sure you'll be able to find a list online you can play with!
>>98214947its the only reason my games take that long. one movement phase takes almost 20 minutes of just moving models and measuring distances
>>98214947>>98214963Would movement trays help?
>>98214878>>gauging demand and finding new ideas for what people might wantwho the hell would think that? they already know what people want
>>98214970>they already know what people wantis that right?
>>98214970>More tzaangors for thousand sons
>>98214926Ive already tested it. the charge target has to be a in 3x3~ formation otherwise you will get cucked.
>>98214898Gsc are gonna live and die based on how hard they get fucked by the pts increases so it's impossible to say until then
>>98214985Everyone would love the Tzaangors if they had tits
>>98214940>low WR army>20 mans cannot get into full melee>staging in NML is non existent okay retard lol
>>98214916I am confused and I need you to provide examples of other companies doing "retroactive teasers" where they, if I'm understanding correctly, post a teaser and then decide what it's teasing after seeing the response to that teaser.
>>98214842>>98214853Hey, if Cathay is a thing, Lustria can be too
>>98214953>Alternatively they could just pick units and detachments that support what they're trying to do with their army.thats the point, they fucking cant you braindead retard.
>>98214878How would that even work? Genuinely. Would it be like:>Here's a zoomed-in picture of a spider>Oh nobody got hyped about the spider; let's never release it
>>98214982Yes, they just don't care about delivering what people want, they would rather do what they know is convenient, like putting into production the half assed shit of a pink quota hire.
in purely speculatory way - would deldar be better off long term if they weren't mooching off druchi vibes back in 3rd and were just chaos corrupted eldar? Still edgy, still venerating slaanesh in denial just with chaos label and maybe some demon access
>>98215003>Lustria can be tooBut isn't, and won't be.
>>98214916How active IS the Adeptus Mechanicus on Necromunda anyway? I don't see them at ALL in the lore. You'd think the Spyrers would get their attention.
I havent painted anything in like a month. Coming home from work and I feel like a zombie every fucking day, and on weekend I always have other shit I need to catch up on.This shit is genuinely killing my will to live. I have more money than ever before to get all the stuff I want but I cant enjoy any of it anymore.
>>98214999>if I'm understanding correctlyYou're not.You make productYou tease productYou look at people reactionYou are now informed on OTHER PRODUCTS you could make which people have shown interest for.Why the fuck would you think they'd change the teased product is beyond me>>98215015Same goes for you.>>98215015
>>98214898Final mass, Final heroes, Outlander anything, Bio Mass, Pure Xeno Heroes. We feasting.
Whatever happened to 40kg server Still around? Nuked?
>>98215019No, they would be worse if they were just chaos, because chaos has the tendency of diluting and shadowing everything it touches, both in themes, aesthetics and plots. But I say dark eldar who are either unapologetically chaotic or at least in deals with chaos forces should definitely be subfactions, just like the tau can have a subfaction about rebels to their own empire, the dark eldar can have subfactions about groups that challenge their current status quo and taboos.
>>98213446The amount of SoB is complicated since they're one branch of the Ecclesiarchy, and the actual fighting Sisters are also one branch within the Sororitas.Supposedly the major orders have numbers of SoB in the thousands, while minor orders can have a single actual SoB to their name.I've heard that there are fewer SoB than SM because of this, and I've heard there are more SoB than SM because they're easier to produce. All I know is that actual sources put the Orders Majoris in the low ten-thousands in terms of total soldier count AT MOST and that the Orders Minoris are all way smaller.Repentias can weild mega-chainswords because the Emperor favors half-naked young women above all.
>>98214998>still dodging the questionI won't engage with you any longer until you either be true to your homosexuality or come up with an actual point
>>98215061>at least in deals with chaos forces should definitely be subfactionfor a faction that supposedly is hard into mercenary work with whomever can fit the bill that aspect is suprisingly untouched
>>98215037that's wage cuckery for you. I tasted 40h week and I tasted unemployment. my recommendation is massive credit fraud
>>98214896>you contradicted yourself in the same post, lol.You see most people understand this is a miniatures game, they get minis they like, build and paint them, and then play with those dudes. For a majority of players, the hobby follows this flow. 10th messed with this a bit, as before, an eldar or T'au or whatever player would get told "yeah, these kits are cool, but if you want to have anything close to a decent game, choose one of these two detachments and buy these kits first". Now, this system isn't perfect either (make sure to get that combi-lieutenant!), but for any balanced combination of kits, it's more likely that you'll have a combination of detachments to facilitate it. "I want 5 of my points to come from having destroyed more units each turn than my enemy" isn't actually a fundamental part of the hobby for a majority of players, they know they'll get to kill dudes and roll dice nevertheless. Now IF this is such a big deal for you (a minority of players, remember) you can take one of your detachments to gain a new dispo, now this isn't ideal either, and I'm sure many of the detachments will get their dispositions changed. But for most players, this isn't a big deal either because choosing one of your detachments for the dispo still leaves you with another one to choose for its abilities. This is called being flexible and not demanding everything bend to accommodate you. I would bet top dollar it won't have more than a few percent impact on winrate and even WAACfags will regularly take dummy detachs for the dispo (and we all know most of the winrate differences will be dominated by bog standard terrible balancing decisions early on anyways)>you do realize there are dozens of armies who dont even have access to that, right?No, all armies have access to action monkeys, WE just got the jackals, Even knights have access to agents.Or people who dont want to play that way? What do they do?This is a nuanced question. gonna answer this in another post.
>>98215044>You are now informed on OTHER PRODUCTS you could make which people have shown interest for.Social media comments are not representative of actual customers.Especially in the era of grifters, discords and youtubers cults.
>>98215044I don’t necessarily believe they care enough to gauge interest that way, but as an example of how this might work. at one point pic related was released, and a lot of people were hyped up thinking it was meant for a catachan refresh because of how long they’ve needed it, but it ended up being used for yarrick’s would be replacement. through this they may be able to see that people’s thoughts immediately turned to catachans, and so start designers on new kits for them.
>>98215015Now that they design minis via CAD, they just need files, no minis, no production lines.
>>98215044>Why the fuck would you think they'd change the teased product is beyond meBecause you made a weird fucking post talking about how the advertisement shouldn't be used to advertise
>>98215075It's because GW has some morbid allergy to proper systems of allies.I don't buy the idea that allies create combos more overpowered than any bullshit that normally goes on, or that it somehow make people buy fewer miniatures, because I know for a fact that convincing people to get a taste of a faction works as a gateway drug to get them to expand on that faction completely instead of keeping the factions so separate that most people just get into one and stick exclusively to it.
>>98215083>Social media comments are not representative of actual customers.And yet GW is listening to it enough that they announced steel legion after the backlash.Your logic is backwards.Last reply, cretin. Be as upset about it as you want.>>98215084>I don’t necessarily believe they care enough to gauge interest that wayThat is exactly the OP post
>>98214964Not sure desu, unless they are packed real close it might make it hard to sit them behind cover or keep the entire squad within 9" as per the new rules
>>98215075They're in the same boat as the Tau there. Should be loads of minor xenos for both, with the deldar ones being creepier/crueller/creepier than the Tau ones, like the little crab engineers they have.
>>98215108>And yet GW is listening to it enough that they announced steel legion after the backlash.The point is that they shouldn't. How many of those commenters who were clamouring for steel legion you think will actually buy any steel legionnaire?People preferred the bog standards cadians and the edgier kriegers, steel legions will give diminishing returns.
>>98215060I can’t say for certain because I left the server, but I’m pretty sure it fully died. it turned out a few of the people who joined were underaged, and the ultralesbian and a few others tried to openly groom them which led to a massive backlash and later exodus of users.
>>98215108Yarrick too.I bet they were dead-set on replacing him with Graves, panicked when they saw the memes about Angron and Ghaz, a quickly made a Yarrick. It's why nuYarrick is very close in appearance to Finecast Yarrick
>>98214869but it doesn't change that
>>98215133>It's why nuYarrick is very close in appearance to Finecast Yarrickand worse in every way because weightless unlike the hand sculpted model.
>>98215125I think their redesign looks promising so far.I'd have them over Cadians or Krieg.It all depends on how the models look, and how they go together.
>>98215054Would final day and broodswarm be any good? Looks like fun with purestrain uppy downy. Also for a second there i thought that strat in the heroes detachment gave an entire unit (the killer character) is attached to dev wounds but it looks like its just the killer model that gets it. Could be good with a sanctus
>>98215133>>98215136seriously wtf gw
>>98215103>can have allied traitoris titan1100pts for wolfhound>can have 500pts of daemons, 1:1 battleline to non battle line ratio500 pts that's 5 units of daemonettes(to be easy)>can pack 3 wardogs or a knight390pts in cheap wardogs>1990pts taken up before warlordYou can pack a 2k list of CSM without any CSM and that's the cheapest titan/wardogs.
>>98214964When I played green tide, I found movement trays slowed me down. Even cloud ones. They create awkward movement situations on dense boards. I gave up halfway through a game with them and just pitched them.
>>98215139>I'd have them over Cadians or Krieg.But you won't, and neither will the absolute majority of the retards who were asking for the steel legion in the comments, most of those aren't even people who will ever buy miniatures.
>>98214953>Alternatively they could just pick units and detachments that support what they're trying to do with their armybut you can't do that. if you don't have a detachment for the units you like to play that doesn't have the disposition you want to play, you're shit out of luck
>>98215144Nu yarrick is worse in every way and yet he was glazed even here. Disgusting.
>>98214896>or people who dont want to play that way? What do they do?Depends. for every list, these are actually many questions: Should GW make sure this list is allowed by the rules? Should GW make sure it has ways to deal with most opponents? Should GW make sure it's balanced and has decent winrate?The more skewed your list is, the more of these questions are allowed to be answered with NO. a player who wants to play exclusively with the Calgar in Terminator armor datasheet because in his head canon he should be able to take on a whole army on his own should not be allowed to do so by the rules. A player who wants to play exclusively with tanks in guard with zero infantry should probably be enabled by rules but he's asking too much if he wants his list not to have obvious counters and weaknesses. A player who wants to play with a very specific but otherwise fluffy composition of World Eaters and daemons and wants to have their mission be "Purge the Foe" so they can play out the WE fantasy AND also not feel like they're missing out on points and losing too much? Sure, I agree. But you have to admit this is a long series of requirements and it isn't unreasonable to ask you give up a tiny bit of competitive optimality. Just a tiny bit, I would totally agree with you if such an army composition was unplayable, but it's a matter of degree and I promise it won't.
>>98215144He should of stayed dead. GW needs to kill characters off more. Each century of the imperium should have its own cast of characters. I get all the current ones are just the ones around in M41.9999 or M42.0001 but still
there are people in this thread that are arguing about disposition choices and points resulting in balance btw
>>98215144not going with the straight arm killed the pose. modern GW is afraid of their own product
>>98215145Knights and Titans were a mistake that should have been left in Epic/Apocalypse.
>>98215148What are you basing that off of?People do in fact buy Warhammer.
>>98215145can you field kroot/ork/eldar/votann mercenaries?You're listing other chaos forces, not allies.
>>98215159GW should stop being auistic about having rules only for one particular timeframe. It's a SETTING not a story. I should be able to field Solar Macharius against an army led by Solar Leontus.
>>98215155If youve paid attention to win rate or balance with shit codexes vs good codexes or ctan not being nerfed, youre genuinely fucking retarded. This isnt a question of winning tournaments, this is a question of FORCED PLAYSTYLE or even wanting a fighting chance to win versus knowing you auto lose. I want to play the models that arent meta in a way that give me a 50% chance at winning, but I cant even do that because the disposition locks me into a play style I dont want to play. So then I am forced to play the same utter dogshit Ive run for 2 years straight because my codex fucking sucks
>>98215164Wait can marines mix detachments from different chapters?
>>98215166They should shed more of a spotlight to titan/super heavy battles. Allowing smaller units of IG tank platoons, knights/chaos knights to join. Give models(smaller tanks/knights) with anti infantry loadouts something like scouts and critical hits with their guns.
>>98215177yes
>>98215170When GW is dead and buried (pbuh) we will make a historical style ruleset for 40k with extremely strict force compositions. List building is for fags
>>98215179I think the Superheavy craze started with the Baneblade.Just like the flyer craze started with the Valkyrie.We Guard are actually leaders in innovation.
>>9821516640k's scale was destroyed in 6e when they allowed Apocalypse units and Aircraft into normal games. Before that most people played 1000-1500 points of mixed composition armies.Nu-40k troons may tell you this never happened but I can confirm it absolutely did. People would also play wacky little pickup scenarios at LGS's all the time. The current 40k playerbase is total cancer
>>98215188It started with warhound titans back in 2004.I played against one back then. You can blame forgeworld.
I have a certain playstyle, so I pick my disposition based on that. you shouldn't do it the other way around.
>>98215164That list is wrong, GSC have 5 2-pointers, 3 1-pointers, that's 15 combos, plus host, plus all 3 1-pointers together that's 17One of them is bound to be blocked by keywords, so that's 16.And he did indeed count 3 pointers because he put agents at 5.
>>98215192This. I love baneblades but they are apocalypse units.
>>98215202Nta but the craze didn't start with resin FW titans, get the fuck out.
>>98215177RAW yes, detachments are chapter-locked by units and nothing else. So you can have a Space Wolves, Blood Angels and Black Templar 1dp detachment as long as you only use units without a CHAPTER keyword.
>>98215188nope, the baneblade and stompa were made and then quickly ignored and didn't lead to an escalationwhat actually broke the dam was the riptide, even though it was never given the superheavy rules, it was what led to an arms race and was quickly followed by the knights.
>>98215060Still kicking. Ultralesbian is working on a sisters army now but seems to be having glow or based sperg outs every so often. Something about “government blood money” it’s mostly slow aside from that.
>>98215188>flyer craze>valkyrieThe valkyrie existed for years before the flyer edition that introduced>stormtalon>plastic ork planes>nephilim fighter>flying croissant>spiky chicken>eldar fighter jets>the tau also got somethingEven the storm raven didn't start the flyer craze.
>>98215206No you don't understand I have to take the poopflingers detachment not the shitlaunchers detachment so my main datasheet gets sustained lethal hits, this is merely a playstyle concern, I am not a waacfag.
>>98215225That's not right is it? units without a locked chapter keyword still have a <CHAPTER> keyword you have to fill out and can't have two different values.
>>98214842Lizardmen are still unsupported in legacy and I don’t think ToW will see Lizardmen for another 3-5 years.
Did GW release the rules for 11th yet? I still can't find how heal works.
I feel like there is going to be a supreme about of JUST posting tomorrow when the points are released
>>98215275These could be the best points ever and this thread would piss and moan for months.I expect them to be broken, but mostly because they'll change too little. The real MFM is going to be the next month's one.
>>98215252No, any unit that has "ADEPTUS ASTARTES" as their faction keyword and does not have a second CHAPTER keyword is a free agent. They don't gain a CHAPTER keyword even if your army ultimately includes units from a specific chapter. This is why you rarely see rules apply to a specific CHAPTER keyword even in their own codex since it would leave out Intercessors, Tactical Marines etc.Black Templars do replace ADEPTUS ASTARTES units' faction rule with Templar Vows though, even if you only take a detachment and none of the BT-specific units.
>>98215286>These could be the best points everThey won't be and absolutely nothing, especially the dev's team track record, should lead you to believe that for even 1 nanosecond
>>98215238Did the Tau? I can only think of the Tiger Shark and the Manta and those are YUGE and are probably Fogeworld. Sunshark Bomber?I'd say the Valk (plus Vendetta, and to a lesser extent the Vulture) opened the door.
>>98215319No it was the Necron flying croissants that started that horseshit.
>>98215275>>98215286they promised me 20 man blobs were going down in points. As both an IG and Nid player, they better deliver.
What are useful and colorful ways to build a CSM Pactbound Zealots army? So far I see:>tzeentch bulletspam with chainguns>nurgle vehicle Defiler/lascannon/demolisher spam for sustained hits>khorne Helstalker lord with talisman of burning blood to mass attacks>khorne cultists to make them(lethal hit) hurt anything, add a dark apostle for +1 to wound and superior LD>nurgle raptors with plasma/melta spam deep striking>slaanesh possessed with master of possession with elixir for sustained hits and FNP against losing wounds to his ability>tzeentch firebrand with cultists with eye of tzeentch in back objective generating 1CP every player turn(losing a few models, can try it twice a turn shooting and combat phases)>khorne chaos bikers with flamers, chainswords max flak removal for cheap>nurgle traitor guard to max their firepower sustained hits>nurgle prince with wings, fly over a unit to cause mortal wounds, and orbs of unlife for more mortal wounds (get behind them, charge where you're within 3" of 2 units)>5 nemesis claw of slaanesh with 5 chosen of slaanesh+warlord in a rhino together, preventing strategems in melee and causing unit-split attack nightmares(getting sustained hits)>master of executions of slaanesh in a unit of nemesis claw for rerolling hits to generate more sustained hits, synergetic when enemy is below half strength!>tzeentch/nurgle rhinos with all 3 guns are surprisingly shooty for 75ptsotherwise I'm considering a chaos terminator/mutilator/obliterator army using Fellhammer Siege Host to give their awkward toughnesses 5 and 6 very hard to outmatch with a couple of princes on foot to give +1sv when matched with high AP weaponsAny other combos with Pactbound Zealots or Siege Host to consider?
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>>98215323suddenly, i remember Daemons Flying Circus. Was that worse than current Ctan spam?
>>98215148>source: my asshole
>>98215333Far worse, because it was a summoning list that just shit out free points
>>98215308See? The new points aren't even out yet and this guy's already bitching about them
>>98215319Sun shark & razor sharkThe valk and to an extent ork bombas are in the same category as the thunderhawk & manta, believe it or not: they're vehicle that makes sense for the faction.Of course the imperial guard is gonna have flyers, they are inspired by army shit.Of course the orks are gonna have their own flyers, they are also inspired by army shit (trust) and already have plenty of vehicles.In comparison, the flyers from the flyer craze were just>how can we sell flyersThe storm raven is an exception because its whole point is an affordable thunderhawk, and came a few years prior.So no, the valkyrie didn't open the door, and most people don't even know the vendetta/vulture.
>>98215346Stop glazing those faggots. We give the benefit of the doubt to people who have earned it. Not to monkey brained devs who made it their job to get it wrong for the past few years.
>>98215170I think GW should have>generic profile for important dude (Lord Solar)>profiles for specific dudes (Lord Solar Macharius, Lord Solar Leontus, etc.) Which differ in interesting ways from the base profile.It's how it should always be, because it's fun to play as existing characters in existing settings/time period, and it's also super fun to imagine new characters in unexplored/unspecified time periods.
>>98215352personally i think the solution to flyers is to just remove flyer type from the game. make all the flyers just very fast, fragile skimmers. so like 20" move, but maybe the whole archetype caps out at T6 and 10w with only a few exceptions for the super expensive huge ones. the special flyer rules are always either game breakingly good or utter garbage with few inbetweens. its not worth the trouble for the simlation aspect, plus people like actually putting their models on the table, not having them show up for 5 seconds and then immediately zoom off the board. if i spend 20 hours painting a big aircraft model i want to actually see it on the table.
>>98215352>most people don't even know the vendettai dont know anyone who built a valk as a valk. Vendettas were in the codex at 130 points. it was very easy to stick lascannons instead on the rocket pods.
>>98215367that flyer you spent 20 hours painting isn't going to last long on the table with T6 and 10 wounds, hotshot
>>98215371>3 Twin linked lascannons for 130 pointsFair and balanced. Thank you Robin Cruddace!
>>98215367i disagree, make them "fire support squadron" so they attack every turn, forced to arrive and placed in different spots each timevery rarely a jet goes out alone and when they strafe a target, they do it one at a time until one jet goes down and they all abort the target>one aircraft equals 5 aircraft, when you finally destroy one they all leave due to being too dangerousAnd thus, you make them super fragile because they will have full wounds each time they return. HENCE THEY'RE AIRCRAFT and shit that hurts air easily now has a better purpose. forcing all comers lists to include their AA options.>tl;dr all aircraft very fragile, fresh wounds every 'attack run' until one dies and they 'abort the attack run', they arrive from players table edge without the player picking when they arrive
>>98215376snap shots only unless your weapon is anti-aircraft
>>98215364just flesh out crucible and make it legal in all formats
twin linked and the designer who brought it back both need to be removed from warhammer permanently
>>98215395just make it rerolls to hit like it used to be
>>98214989>>98214926Said I was going to test out some scenarios to get 20 Boyz into melee to see how easy it is to follow the new coherency rules with a big unit, so here are my results.The first test was a small infantry unit, 10 yeagirs. I could've done 5 models instead but decided it would be way too easy to just wrap the 20 Boyz around them, in fact you'd be struggling to get all 20 able to fight regardless of coherency due to filling the engagement range and then having leftover Boyz.
>>98215398just make it TWO FUCKING GUNS
>>98215401but that way they could have each gun shoot at a different target
>>98215399if 40k just adopted aos's 3" combat range based around the tournament widget i feel like it would solve this problem instantly
>>98214500If you dry bush you won't have to do any of that shit though for great results
>>98215367I'm not opposed to flyer rules. You either have flyers too high to be seen/interacted with, or flyers doing runs, entering and leaving, or you have hover types.Personally I think flyers should be kept to specific scenarios or campaigns.>>98215388Isn't crucible still restrictive?
>>98215409i dont care
>>98215395Twin linked should always be 2 shots or re-roll.The whole point of twin linked is a better gun for the slot of a single one.The same way that the whole point of combi-weapons is having two weapons in a single slot.
>>98215399My next test was a larger infantry unit. I just threw 10 hearthkyn into the enemy unit to make it a 20-man, since most horde armies are going to be a unit of this size.This one was a little challenging to get them all able to fight, but assuming you had a good charge and then made a pile-in move you can get all 20 no problem. Remember, coherency is within 9" of all other models, not wholly within 9".Overall in a real game you wouldn't be fighting to keep your dudes in unit coherency, you'll be fighting to get as many dudes into engagement range as you can. This is already the case with 10th edition. If you make a charge but it's not good enough you're stuck fighting with around half the unit because the back models can't fight. This is unchanged with the new coherency rules.
>>98213754damn, those are some fucking clean 1ksons
>>98215431Next test was a small vehicle. Similarly to the small infantry unit you can wrap around these rather easily and remain in coherency assuming you had a good charge and pile-in move. You're not fighting coherency here, you're fighting the engagement range limitations.
>>98215346>this woman's abusive husband hasn't even come back from the bar yet, and she's already worrying about getting smacked around
>>98215420>Isn't crucible still restrictive?Not really, its pretty free form. Maybe just need an extra archetype or two per faction but its a pretty good start overall.
>>98215447I haven't checked it out, I just don't see the point when we have that by default.
>>98215127>Doakes.jpg
>>98215441Last test was a larger vehicle. Again, slightly more challenging than the small vehicle, but still very doable. When you have large units of Boyz you can simply wrap them around the enemy unit in order to ensure you remain in coherency easily. The only restriction during a game here is that there might be a terrain piece or other unit blocking your way to surrounding your opponent, but that has always been a restriction and remains unchanged with the new coherency rules.Overall, I can conclude that keeping a unit of 20 Ork Boyz within the new unit coherency rules in combat while getting as many of them able to fight as possible is extremely easy. It's only slightly more challenging than it was before.I can't stress this enough either, you will be fighting to get as many Ork Boyz into engagement range to be able to fight way more than you'll be fighting to keep them in coherency. Tight corners, other units, and terrain are way bigger issues when it comes to horde melee fights than coherency will be.
I think I'm gonna paint something today instead of playing vidya and gooning
>>98215475why not all 3? just save the gooning for last
>>98215462we dont? custom heroes is not default in 40k by any means. maybe you should ready the rules before you say that.
>be daemons>have 6 models out of 10>move models out of coherency on purpose to force LD checks each turn>get models back as a result of beating a LD checkcheckmate
>>98215144GWAAAAAAGH!!
>>98215493>lorebook in the box set has an army section at the end for all the factions>there is no chaos daemon entry in the chaos sectionYeah... checkmate
>>98215202But that's Armourcast.
>>98215497he kind of looks like the coomer guy.
>>98215259Heal is definitely missing from the core rules. There's definitely more to come when they drop a Designer Commentary like they did with 10th.
>>98215275I played a game last night with 10th's points but 11th rules everywhere else. We plan to re-examine our lists when the MFM drops and see how much they were off by.
>>98215355>>98215442>>98215453"Battered housewives" is right, you hate the game so much that you're offended by the idea that the updated points even COULD be good, but you keep coming back and giving James Workshop your sweet sweet dollarydoos anyways.>>98215512He spent one too many crusades power-jackin' it two-handed.
>>98215509There is a connection.
>>98215144I genuinely don't understand how the right is worse than left.
>>98215520what do you think of the 11th rules?
>>98215468all of your posts are backing him up that it is more challenging and more restrictive. what was your point here?
>>98215398>>98215401>>98215409Bring Twin-linked back to 2nd Edition. One hit roll for both weapons. Basically just say every successful hit with a twin-linked weapon scores two hits instead.
>>98215490>we don't?Not in 10th nor 11th
>>98215526The model on the left is better.Maybe you don't think the model in the left is better.Maybe you think both models are pretty good and have no preference.But you have to ask yourself, is this worth being shat on by contrarians on 4chan?The model on the left is better.
>>98215534I would save that for monstrous/vehicle/titanic because if the twin linked weapon 'hit' and they're co-axle odds are one is missing the smaller targets. If it's a huge target, a hit should double the result. making them more valuable against the bigger stuff.
>>98215522You're paying for the rules?You're paying for kits you don't like?
>>98215523That literally proves that Armourcast is not Forge World, lol
I want to start a new army but I have no idea what I should go for. No idea. I just have the need to start a new army. I have no backlog.
>>98215468>its simple, just roll 3 extra inches on the charge!
>>98215442>dis grot’s dead ‘ard runtherd hasn’t evun rode back frum da pub after a good pint wif da boyz, and ‘e’s already whinging ‘bout da runtherd pullin’ da grabba stikk on ‘im and givin’ him a good kickin’. ftfy
>>98215554Tell us what allies your armies could have.>got SM? we might suggest some knights or som e fun assassins to add>got daemons? could run a shadow legion list with possessed to make it thematic>got tau? done a kroot based list before?that shit
>>98215555if you can roll quads you can roll 3 extra inches on the charge, simple as.
>>98215527An improvement on 10th for sure, but that wasn't terribly difficult to accomplish. The 2" engagement range can make maneuvering more difficult for larger models. Terrain is much better but I'd still like to get rid of TLoS entirely. Using stealth units to charge and tie up vehicles/monsters is funny if they need to shoot their way out of it.
>>98215530Kek somehow that shit looks like a chihuahua.
>>98215554What do you mean by army? That could clue you in towards what you're truly looking for.
>>98215562That's a good idea.I have Dark Eldar and Grey Knights. I suppose I should find another cursed and forgotten army?Looks like the perfect fit would be Inquisition?
11th is just 10.5, the edition still isn't worth playing, I don't know why you fags are getting hung up on points. Go pirate old rulebooks and play a good edition instead.
>>98215576Do firstborn Lost and the Damned. You basically said it.>it will be legends but it will nostalgia bomb the fuck out of people
>>98215554never start a new armydouble down on a retarded skew listpick 1 unit you like and make it a mission to own an autistic amount of them
>>98215547No, I steal them, unless it's a kit, then I just don't get the kit that sucks.Because my goal is to have a good time, not to be a "real fan" that spends a lot of money on Grot Sweatshop's newest imbalance patch.
>>98215554orks. it’s always orks>barbarians>pirates>mechs>mad max vehicles>big guns>cyborgs>big monsters>disciplined soldiers >mercenaries>jungle fightersall can be together in one big army and it won’t be weird.
>>98215555>>98215530The issue presented was that Orks were fucked, not able to get their units of 20 Boyz into engagement range due to the new coherency rules. Anon was saying it was basically impossible unless your opponent was in a 3x3 formation. I tested and showed that not only is it possible without that enemy formation, it's very easy. Me saying "slightly more challenging" is in reference to the smaller units. Obviously it'll be harder when charging larger things. It's still easy.And I'll repeat, you're fighting to get Boyz into engagement range far more than you're fighting coherency. That's my way of saying "if you don't roll a perfect charge like in this example, coherency is even less of an issue"
>>98215581Which edition is the best? Cite sources and explain your rationale.
>>98215592>No, I steal themNo you don't lmaoFucking called you being some stupid kidNot reading the rest
>>98215590What's the unit you can field the most of in a game? 120 boys? Guardsmen blobs? Some kind of Tyranid swarm?
>>98215581
>>982156033rd edition was easy to play for me it just needed more terrain, it ran on a possible 6+ turn structure so on the basis of that; you could go without shooting for two whole turns and still table someoneit was more fun that way
>>98215581the larp never ends
>>98215538use crucible rules
>>98215622I'm not playing these gamer editions, I'm sticking to the autism editions
>>98215616>Why are you here(sy)?
>>98215627once again autism proves inferior
>>982156035th edition was the best edition because it was my first edition and I played the most of it and I definitely wouldn't have played so much of it if it was bad and I wasn't just young and easily impressed and had a lot of friends to enjoy it with
>>98215646I think you're just upset & jealous. Just a hunch.
>>98215650why would I be jealous that you intentionally refuse to use rules designed to give you the thing that you are asking for? are you genuinely retarded?
>>98215648Based and real truth-pilled
>>98213714GW being bad at logistics really isn’t helping matters here. It’s one of those things where something looks peak until you start asking about the nitty-gritty.
>This game is stale and lacking flavor.>no, I don't play crusade, use legends, homebrew or do narrative driven terrain set ups. Why do you ask?
Based off the army im trying to build and the detachments I want to take, ill be using either Recon or Take and Hold force dispositions.Im okay with this. Nurglings will be good for actions.
>>98215613Probably Genestealer cultists if you count the fact you add a copy of a unit when it dies.
As a side note, I'm a little mad that GW has just thrown in the towel on Crusade and didn't try to actually fix it. Their new little card game scenario generator for three game acts is absolutely not the same thing, nor does it at all support the fantasy of a growing army.
>>98215682this is strictly a reconnaissance chad only board
>>98215681because none of those are casual activities
>>98215613Guardsmen 320 man 2k lists. Fill out the cadian+catachans first then fill the rest with kreigsman. Cheap Warlord.
>>98215697Its a narrative scenario without any back story! And you get to do it EVERY GAME!
>>98215554you know what you must do
>>98215707Can you physically deploy an army like that on a normal playing table?
>>98215699Ill be running recon if i take warp tide detachment at 1k points. I plan on having a lot of battleline demons. I could also run cavalcade for bloodcrushers but not sure how i feel about going for disruption.
>>98215493>unit falls into chaos>it makes it strongerholy fuark...11e kino....
>>98215716g'day cunt
>>982156034th was the best as long as you were still using mostly 3rd ed codexes. It was the culmination of all the fixes and improvements to 3rd over it's long 6 year lifespan and came out just a little before GW went full corporate (or rather it had already been developed before that point). There were still real wargamers who gave a shit working on 4th and late 3rd.
>>98215714They're 25mm bases still. Thats 320 square(not cube) inches. 48"x12" can handle 576 models.>melee is good if you can get lots into melee range, basically three guardsman per marine in combat range
>>98215681Crusade fucking blows, legends is just more units, why would I homebrew a dogshit edition, and if you do narrative terrain everything ties T1
>>98215235Link if it still exists? I was there a few years ago
>>98215235>UltralesbianIt's a tranny isnt it
>>98215742I played crusade against my ex in 8th. It was fun. She also had giant full milkers, no sag, all pale.
>>98215712Really? Why does my army only ever perform recon against every foe? Why do I have to run a different army on a different detachment to wage a war of destruction or holding ground?
With the changes to cover and battle shock will gsc players start using magus in their lists?
>>98215767nah, her purchasing decisions are too woman coded to be a tranny.
>>98215767Surprisingly, no
>>98215771because thats the only disposition you get in a lot of combos! are you feeling the narrative yet?
>>98215776>>98215778And she plays Ultramarines? Wild
>>98215704>all the casual game modes are casual>the only real casual game mode is net decked waacfag lists played on 11th edition approved terrain set ups with the best coast pairings tournament supplement
>>98215776This must be some new or different server from the one I remember from 3-4 years ago, there never was a woman or tranny mod Invite link?
Is the best way to play a spam army list at 1k?>not as numerous as a 2k list>opponents won't be so annoyed at my turns taking forever>elite armies will have fun facing them without fear of specialists nuking their units>punish titan/vehicle armies by score-and-ignore tactics
>>98215775very likely
>>98215666But I already use rules designed to give me the thing I'm asking for. In fact crucible isn't even what I'm really asking for.Are you retarded? I'd say yes.
>>98215816are you not >>98215364
>>98215681Name one such anon
>>98215797>>opponents won't be so annoyedbut this is half the fun of playing infantry spamsit down faggot its time for my movement phase
>>98215783it makes sense when you realize she only got into the ultramarines because that was the first army she saw (literally on the poster), but she’s since sold the ultramarines and has gone for custodes because they have women in them, so she’s not even really ultralesbian anymore.
>>98215825Think your next post very carefully.
>>98215835Spam lists seems to be more effective against tank lists when they can't spam 10th, 11th and 12th vehicles all capable of killing 15 guys a turn. If they have just 5 or 6, its easier to score too much before they gain momentum.>spam lists are battle line based>battle line spam lists cap at about 1200pts before paying for more expensive units to spamI think 1k is best.
>>98215836>has gone for custodesShes got eldar, sisters of battle and dark angels, not custoded
>>98215787Yeah it formed this year as a way to talk without having the mutant disrupt everything but thankfully he's gone nowthe model posting channel is pretty good but some of the women are off topic a bit. just yell at them and they stophttps://discord.gg/64WWuGkcC
>>98215848Is it bad to bring a greater daemon at 1k?
>>98215864>women
>>98215785>net deckwhen theres dozens of factions with low model ranges that are >pile of dog shit>literally the most overcosted piece of shit to ever exist>thing that doesnt synnergize or have any stratagem or army rule support >3 bretty gud units that kind workpeople like you see the guy running the 3 bretty gud units and go "Ah what a netlisting waacfag"theres dozens of armies with 0 ability to respond to meta changes or even mission detachments lmao
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>>98215785keeping a track of a whole fuck load of datasheets and numbers for crusade isn't casualhomebrewing isn't casuallegends aren't actively balanced so they aren't for casual playersnarrative driven terrain sets don't work because the game isn't balanced around them. to make them balanced requires more work which isn't casualhow is this so hard to understand? why do you think matchmaking is so popular in online games? because it's not casual?
The point of huge ork squads shouldn't be to throw huge amounts of attacks in melee, it should be to bubble wrap cheap models around expensive models. For some reason 1st, 2nd, and Epic all did this really well and every other edition fucks up. Lootas, Burnas, Tankbustas should all be able to join Boyz as Support. Wartrakks and buggies should be able to join Warbikes as support.
>>98215523The really bullshit thing about Forgeworld is that GW started it by buying a British company that was itself recasting Armorcast's models without permission.
>>98215192Its obnoxious how GW is pushing for 1500 points to use the limited detachment and enhancements of 1000 points when really 1000 point games should be getting 3 detachment points as well. Who cares if players are getting rules to buff three different things when they're taking half as many things?
