Chaos Ascendant Edition>Resources:WFB: https://pastebin.com/qVGrgwwhWM: https://pastebin.com/EsDAgebaWFRP: https://pastebin.com/inbyBsR6Novels: https://pastebin.com/PFqPDr0H>TOW:https://gofile.io/d/fxFgXShttps://www.warhammer-community.com/downloads/warhammer-the-old-world/>Warhammer Chronicles:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/0xt777 (dot) zip>Time of Legends:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/q46ut6 (dot) zip>The End Times:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/j7d0t5 (dot) zip>Alternative Models:https://pastebin.com/xPeM9szL>Previous Thread:>>98264491>TQWhat did you think of the preview? What was your favourite new Fantasy reveal?
First for beastchads.Chaos won, bros New WoC look sick.Cathay a fuck
Chaos was meh. If they don’t have weapon options than this entire update was a waste of fucking resources.I liked the blood bowl stuff though.
>>98269872This is good bait. Those Minotaurs are one of the worst models I’ve ever seen come out of GW.
>>98269872Is that a chaos dwarf mino?
>>98269863Chaos looked great, love how they're a throwback to 5e Chaos.More than that though I was surprised at the scale of what they announced.New DragonNew Chaos Warriors New KnightsUpdated RulebookStarter SetBattle March boxes (2 of em)New Arcane JournalReprinted reference cards (including new ones for the new magic system)I think we got more than any other system yesterday.
>>98269863>What did you think of the preview?I liked it. I already have my chaos warriors/dragon, and frankly I prefer the AoS designs if I had to get new ones, but I might pick up some stuff for parts. Love the chaos sorcerer and demonic steed champion.The dragon is too big for my liking, and I hope they dont make its default base size 100x150 now. But the model itself is fine I guess. Looking forwards to the new AJ and its custom chaos character rules.
>>98269863Iam a 40k player but DAMN chaos knights look so fucking good. I think I get the chaos lord on horse just to paint it
>>98269905The King is back baby
>TQI'm glad people have realized how great the 1997-1999 chaos warrior/knight aesthetic was and is. I feel no need to replace the models I've spent the better part of a decade scrounging for, but at least there's a new arcane journal coming. Hopefully it's not as much of a waste of space as the last one.
>less models per boxI hope they're priced reasonably (by GW standards) at least. They do look good though.
>>98268659I'm with you. Historicals have been killing it recently. And not just historicals there are tons of great fantasy minis out there.GW hasn't given me much reason to buy their models over the alternatives. I will still play ToW, but unless they radically up their game my next few armies will have almost no GW models.
New chaos looks like a throwback to the old hunchback regiment box, especially in helmet style
>>98269872Those look like wow minis. They only look good compared to the old meatball minotaurs. I like pretty much every alternative more. Even Reaper's lady minotaur.
>>98269885Yes, the new BB big guys all have bits to represent the different teams they can play for.
>>98269872Oh what I would do for a plastic chorf range for TOw
>>98270228Just take the existing smith range and print the heads and weapons. Personally I don’t care for iron warriors but small.
>>98269863That dragon should take better care of its wings
>>98269872Hand weapons are the obvious choice now that the sword+board armor bonus is back. >>98270138I tossed out a couple units of those back when it seemed like WHFB was never coming back and I needed to clean out my parents' basement in a hurry. Feel kinda guilty about it.
Out of a whim,i did a random bid on a pile of Chaos Marauder bits and miniatures and now i got it. Around 60 built ones, and probably around 20 unbuilt. With the releases announced yesterday, this seems to be a sign of the dark gods.
>>98269954Dr Blaxill?
I swear I will be old and grey when GW will release new Dark Elf minis
>>98269954My man, your commitment to Chaos is admirable. The banners, the mix of old and new minis, conversions, its spectacular!While I deffered to Orcs and Goblins for a time, I played with my Khorne Chaos on a whim, fielding my general on foot in a mini Chosen block and I was very happy with how they did. Just like many here, and the new release, the Gods responded in kind and I feel I may rejoin the ranks of Chaos in ernest.
>>98270428he paints better
>>98269905>love how they're a throwback to 5e Chaosanother man of culture, i see.it's a really good release, though I think both warriors and knights are too chunky, but I'm still missing new Chaos ogres and trolls
>>982699055e was peak model design for every faction
>>98270532HEAR! HEAR!
>>98270328Poor personal grooming is how you can tell they're bad guys.
>>98269863I remember thinking the aracnarok spider was too big when that came out.
>>98270602What is each faction's biggest kit right now?
>>98270602How big is that dragon next to the old/current manticore with lord/sorcerer?
>>98269905I have a mild concern about where Old World seems to be heading, based on what these guys are implying. Assuming Chaos is the first faction getting a refresh (which seems likely), I have two main worries.First. It took roughly five years from announcement to release, and even then most factions only received a handful of new models. The factions that did get full support still saw a slow and incomplete rollout. Now, three years into the game’s life, Chaos is only just receiving a partial refresh. At this rate, it’s going to be a long wait for other factions to get meaningful updates and many of them genuinely need it. The long gaps also create ugly aesthetic problems armies end up with clashing art styles, and matchups are going to pit a freshly updated force against one that feels neglected and dated.Second, one of the big selling points of Old World was the chance to finally get models you loved or missed the first time around. Unfortunately, GW has done a poor job of actually making everything available. It’s pretty possible that many ranges will be replaced before some of the original sculpts even get a proper rerelease. I managed to get most of what I wanted, but I feel bad for people who were excited for a second chance only to see those models effectively discontinued or limited to Made-to-Order runs. Now they’re forced to chase inflated third-party prices on the secondary market.
>>98270602It still kind of is for its intended base size. It looks weirdly compacted and overly busy for what is supposed to be going on. The new dragon is able to feel more like it actively fits on its base because it’s able to stretch out vertically. But the dragon on all fours on its base instead of perched and it would look cramped.
>>98270428Unfortunately, no, though I'm a little proud that the inspiration for my foolish uses of paper, plasticard, paint, and freehanding was so obvious. His army is much nicer than mine. Hopefully with enough practice I'll be able to paint as well as he does someday.>>98270483I'm glad you had fun, anon. It seems as though we play in very different metas. Hopefully your success will continue.
In other news, that new TOWRPG book has been released.It's just a bunch of pre-made adventures, one of which seems to be a Siege vs greenskins
>>98270608Kingdom of Bretonnia – Royal Pegasus (Lord mount)Empire of Man – Steam Tank Dwarfen Mountain Holds – Flame Cannon / Organ GunWood Elf Realms – Treeman Ancient / Forest DragonHigh Elf Realms – Star DragonOrc & Goblin Tribes – Arachnarok SpiderWarriors of Chaos – Chaos DragonBeastmen Brayherds – Ghorgon / CygorTomb Kings of Khemri – Necrolith Bone Dragonbeastmen are seriously lacking a centerpiece model
>>98270817>stank>biggest imperium kitBro, your Imperial Griffon? Your War Altar?
>>98269954Based SOVL! >fully painted army >nice custom personal touches >not a rampant consoomer You've been very mean to me in the past but I admire your approach to the hobby, except when you play on that ugly battlemat >>98269872>Chaos was mehTo be honest, that sums up the entirety of new GW models
>>98270116The thing is, there isn't really much about TOW/Warhammer these days that makes me want to stick around. The models no longer have their classic appeal or aesthetic that oldhammer or middlehammer had. You will find better gameplay and more engaging rules in a plethora of alternative fantasy games. The models have all gone the art direction and sculpting style of AoS over the last decade, the lore has only gotten worse, the price hikes are constant and never ending, there is absolutely zero stability with constant rule changes, adjustments, supplements, etc. Really when I consider the pros and cons, the only genuine pro I can think of is that there is a larger pool of players so you have a higher chance of finding an opponent; but there are two things that cheapen this "pro." Firstly is that the quality of Warhammer players have taken a nosedive since Warhammer has become more mainstream, which means despite it being easier to find an opponent, the chance of finding a 'good' opponent is lower than ever - and secondly that you can completely negate this by having a friend or family member to play with. With all this is mind it begs the questions: why DO we still care about this game?
>>98270753Of course, seems like your meta is hard as hell. Granted mine has its fair share of hardies too, so I just arrange with other casuals.
>>98269863A thread or two ago an Anon said that WFB/40k would work better as a 10/15mm range. If this change was made, how would you do the bases? Would you use smaller squares, or would you have multiple models on a base? Curious to read other posters thoughts on this idea.
I prefer the previous warriors better. I was planning on getting the Warriors of Chaos Battalion Box in a half year, but now I'm worried it's gonna become a lot more expensive due to being OOP. Does anyone have a good guess for how long it'll take for the price to increase?
>>98271019With 15mm you can still use individual bases.
>>98270896>With all this is mind it begs the questions: why DO we still care about this game?I care pretty much completely because of Big Small Worlds and some other hobbyists. And that dude is playing 8th. >>98271019Definitely multi base. Most 10mm stuff comes in strips of minis using the cane base.
>>98270116What models are these?
>>98271090WGA's town guard minis
>>98271090Leak of the new Renegade Crowns models.
>>98270896Not gonna lie bro, if this is how you feel about this hobby, it might be time to let it go.
>>98271019Definitely multi base with 10mm. With 15mm you can do either/or. A weird Warhammerism that prevents players from multibasing is individual casualty removal. I like it better when casualties are counted with dice or casualty figures instead of removing models. I spent all this time painting all these models I'd rather leave them on the table until they are routed, and leave the thematic casualty figures laying on the board. Also with individual casualty removal you get the unsightly problem of all these giant exposed unpainted cardboard movement trays one you start removing a significant portion of troops
>>98271126I really do not want BPs to ever have their own models other than Dogs of War. I suppose it's too late for that since Sir Cecil Gastonne has an official model now.
>>98271145>Also with individual casualty removal you get the unsightly problem of all these giant exposed unpainted cardboard movement trays one you start removing a significant portion of troopsThere is absolutely nothing stopping you from taking a bunch of empty bases and putting casualties or "unit filler" style fleeing/wounded/dead doods to represent casualties. You could also paint your movement trays, or literally just use empty bases and put whatever you want on them, if the gaps are bothering you.
>>98271172The problem isn't me, the problem is everyone else not willing to do it as well
>>98271201Be the change you want to see, sculpt some poo and paint some pee
Need clear plastic movement trays desu.
>>98271258They're too glossy and look like shit
Are the Welf and Dwarf batallion boxes good if you want to start one of those armies and have a competitive list? Is everything usable
>>98271323WE one is the dwarf one is a good basis for a dwarf army, but it lacks anything with a punch like cannons
>>98271323Not sure about welfs but definitely so for dwarfs. I'd get one myself but I don't like gyrocopters aesthetically.
>>98271248Poet and a scholar.
>>98269863they look good but i hate that they come in 8s and 4s instead of 5s and 10s. that just seems really anti consumer shrinkflation disguised as memberberries
So these are our new mournefangs?
So, what do we think the prices for these battle march boxes will be?They have fewer spures of certain units than buying all the units separately outside of the Jade Warriors and Maruders
How do y'all play Kangs? I just run a ton of infantry and get bodied, the heroes seem really weak as well. Only the boner dragon seems to do any work.
>>98271413Ushabti bow spam.
>>98269863>broke af but really want to get into TOW and WH in general>save up for a bit and get enough money to buy this>1 month later all my warriors and knights are senescentFuck you Gay's Workshop.
>>98271413Tomb kings have the weakest hero line up I think. But all of their characters are basically unit buffs, and they might be the best at doing that other than dwarfs. Their skeletal horseman are heavy cav for super cheap, 25x50, and can be rezed easy. The tomb scorpions have killing blow, monster slayer. They have good tools and good units, but they take a bit of finesse to use. Reserve move pulls a ton of weight for the army
>>98271461They're still cool though, I'm picking up a box or two before they diseappear
>>98271461If you liked the models 2 month ago, and now you do not like them any longer, you are wrong here anyway.
>>98271426I never seem to hit a thing with those, do I just point them at elite stuff or..?>>98271503Yeah I got that impression as well, kinda sucks since I'd want my Tomb Kangs to kick some ass but oh well. Everyone says the horsemen suck ass and I haven't really found use for them either, any tips?
>>98271461I'm sure it was real in your head buddy.
>>98271461>>1 month later all my warriors and knights are senescentHalf the fun is playing with old, ugly models.
>>98271382They're pretty cool. Shame about the forced female ogres and gutplates now being breastplates
>>98271461Those models are better though
>>98271534how can you not hit when they always hit on 4+ and can possibly reroll 1s with a wizard closeby?
>>98271461Anon we knew WoC updates were coming out and the regular kits werent on the GW site. Thats your fault if you have buyer's remorse.
Anyone know if the Maggotkin mortal models GW made fit on square bases well?Want to make a Nurgle sub-army in my WoC
>>98271718
how would norsca be visually different from the new WoC units? or would they simply share models?
>>98271806they already got their modelsthey are just asking for a character model (on chariot) and a centerpiece (mammoth)
>>98271718>>98271792the lack of lips does affect the efficacy
>>98271806It wouldn't be any different. This Norsca stuff is nonsense. You don't need a separate army for just marauders.
>>98271461Lmao broke ass bitch
>>98271806They may go the TWW way:https://totalwarwarhammer.fandom.com/wiki/Norsca_unit_roster
>>98271707Sell the female models single on ebay for 50% of the boxprice to soys who want female models
>>98271604He skipped his medication to try and save money, please understand
>>98271707They're so fat you can barely tell that some are supposed to be femaleThough idgaf if non human armies have women. It's like vampires, they get a pass.
>>98271707I don’t know about the sprues but I’m pretty sure you get extra bits to rectify that based on what I’m seeing on the gut plates. Personally I don’t care about the genders, they seem utterly inhuman all around which is more than I can say for the previous plastic models.
>>98271707Im going to use them as chaos ogre conversion fodder anyway so I can just cover crap I dont like with chaos shit, fur, or extra plates.
>>98271019I'm one of those anons; you keep existing bases and multibase. As far as the rules are concerned it's the bases that matter anyway, so by multibasing with smaller figs(I like 15mm purely because then I can use non-urban 15mm WHFB terrain for 15mm 30K tables as well) you can take smaller units without them looking so piddly. My plan is to stick to WHFB sizes for my full-size armies because I prefer to play 6th, but to use TOW basing conventions for my 15mm projects because they'll only ever be playing against other 15mm forces and almost certainly forces I've printed and wrangled someone into playing against me with, so it's not a big deal to have bigger bases even if I do end up playing 6th rules with them instead of TOW. Also more minis per base.All that really changes conceptually is that a lost base is a measurement of how much your unit has been degraded by the combat rather than a single lost warrior.
>>98271382Mournfang are mountain creatures, I imagine the new mounts are supposed to be environment agnostic.
>>98271856You don't *need* a lot of stuff. More variant stuff is better because options are cool and fun.
Is there any rumors past the WoC release? New WoC seemed like the only rumor for a long time, at least it was right lmao.
>>98271382>>98272051Nobody should be using the new pinhead fatties in Real Warhammer anyway. I don't mind GW switching from 5-head proportions to 6-head for humans, but it looks fucking stupid when they do it for nonhuman armies; tinyhead Ork/cs, tinyhead Dwarfs, now tinyhead Ogres, they all look dumb.
>>98272060from another thread>>>>98256026>Black Library book moving timeline forward 10 years and beginnings of chaos resurgent.>Larger Finecasts being replaced. Twin head chaos dragon, Giant chaos spawn and others>Dark Elves and Ogre Kingdoms leaving Legends>Both getting a new caster sculpt to replace a current resin kit>An arcane journal for Wood Elves vs Chaos with Tree Spirit Army of Infamy aka not-sylvaneth>An arcane journal focussed on Marienburg and a version of Dogs of War, but keep expectations realistic.>New Batallion Boxes with a shift to focus on new kits, one unit kit getting new sculpts per army eg Beastmen Brayherds getting a new Ungor kit and O&G get a new Moonclan Grot kit.
Do you think it's better to pick up the bret starter box now or just start with a box or two of knights and wait to see if they get a battle march box by the end of the year? I can keep using my friend's brets to play in the mean time
>>98272066>in Real Warhammer anywayagreed, same with the new chaos warriors and dragon. They have no place in 5th editon.
>>98271707>female ogresI'm still not convinced about this one. Looking at the preview photos, they're incredibly ugly women if they are women. Not exactly rocking titties or anything. Maybe I can see it on one or two if them if I really squint, but they genuinely read more as male than female to me across the board. Bald, square faced, etc. I didn't even consider that there might be girl ogres until other posters pointed it out. Maybe wishful thinking on my part. I really want to like those Cleaver infantry, the grotesque cannibal butcher aesthetic has some potential.
I will collect wood elves only if they get a new plastic dragonIs it worth buying and completing the battalion now?
>>98272162the WE one?it was one of the better deals of the battalion boxes, but we don't really know which minis are being updated when they get touched later on
>>98272162I’ll sell you my glade guard and my 4 tree lords bro. I don’t give a damn about wood elves anymore now that exodites are in the real game. Infinitely cooler than both wood elves and dark elves and lizardmen combined.
>>98271323I heard Wood elf one is one of the best discount sets they've made. I think you could get away buying 2x cav and glade bros are spamable
>>98272186Yeah but glade guard look effin awful.
>>98271409I’m going to guess sub 150 USD. All the current “game modes” that are blatantly just trying to encourage you to start a new army and comparable boxes are 150-220 depending on the system. The preexisting battalion boxes are already just under 200 dollars.Old World might go on the cheaper side simply because a lot of factions will have pretty old sculpts put into their boxes if GW doesn’t heavily pick up the pace on updating ranges.
>>98271806Probably just a range within WoC. They rewlly don’t need to be a fully distinct army that stands on its own because they really aren’t that in lore and it would probably just be to everyone’s detriment table top wise to arbitrary say they are two totally distinct factions. Just add lower tier chaos units into WoC with a journal or two focused on them and rules to help them run on their own and then it’s up to people if they want a chaos army that is all heavy armored warriors, a mix, or just basics norsca stuff.
>>98272186>>98272197You just don’t use the leaf mask faces. And use the heads from the rangers for 20 of them. Easy
>>98271927Wow they really are just marauders: the faction, except they also get a bunch of random forgeworld units thrown at them (fimir, skinwolves, curs'd ettin, ...)Why the fuck did CA make them a separate faction for the total war game again? And maybe more importantly, why did gw improve?
>>98272281>improveMeant approve, of course
>>98272281Great question. It’s been a while since I’ve booted TWW up, but I recall for a good long while it also really fucked them over as a faction since they don’t rewlly have access to anything really stand out until late game while also being stuck in a pretty harsh portion of the map so they get nothing done or die very quickly.
>>98272081>Ogre’s coming out of LegendsMan I wish, I’ve functionally given up on them getting official rules lmao. I was waiting for the refresh to continue my Ogre project and was hoping to steal a newer Butcher but they really toned them down (and gave them gutplates)
Brothers I think I found the paint scheme
>>98272317I think they were pretty ass in tww2 but the third game seems to have helped them out a bit.Also looking at the timeline again they were released in 2017, so at least on gw's side it seems likely to me they just didn't give a fuck, since tow wasn't even an idea back then. I guess they didn't really care how ca organized the factions as long as it made some logistical sense.
>>98272340Very Death Guard.
>>98270896I'm going to play with my gf regularly so none of this applies to me
>>98272340Go play HH
>>98272281>Why the fuck did CA make them a separate faction for the total war game again?They made WoC a nomadic faction in the first game, so they couldn't control any settlements, so CA made the Norsca faction to represent WoC, which controls Norsca settlements since those are integral to how Total War functions, and they then expanded it as an incentive to buy Total War Warhammer 2 on pre-order.
>>98272281>Why the fuck did CA make them a separate faction for the total war game again?Because they wanted to sell a new faction.Norsca was a half assed preorder bonus for TWW2,, they have a small and barely functional roster of random crap and no strong identity tying them together.
>>98272340Hmm... I think I'd dig it if the trim were a dark, deep bronze like Warplock Bronze.
>>98271534>horsemen suck ass8 heavy cav with light armor shield, cav spear, and counter charge for 112 pts is very efficient, especially since you can rez them, and 12 is 168. They only need to be 4 wide for rank bonus, close order, +6 pts for a banner to get 3 static battle res and just like basically everything else in the army hit on 5+. Most heavy cav are that price for 5, and 12 wounds is a lot harder to grind through than 5 especially since they can't break. And beginning of your turn, you bring em back. Under appreciated unit.
>>98272368Pro acryl Dark Bronze is what I am thinking
>>98271129There's way more to the hobby than consuming GW products.I miss the days when WHFB was "dead"
>>98272372And don't forget, 25x50 instead of 30x60. Those 4 wide fit through some very tight spaces in comparison,
>>98272393You don’t own any models tho Mr manlet. And all your effort has been washed away by GW.
>>98271813>centerpieceFuck off with this shit.
>>98272403Swing and a miss.
>>98272281>Why the fuck did CA make them a separate faction for the total war game again? And maybe more importantly, why did gw improve?Well, I won't say it was implemented in the best way it could've been, but I do think the idea has merit. NOT because I think they should be separate factions, not at all, but because Warriors as they are were overwhelmingly on the side of depicting the hellish warbands of semi-immortal psychopaths in demonic armor, rather than the demon worshipping vikings who get on longboats to pillage for a season then go back home. In the tabletop it would be too much of an investment to create a completely separate faction for them, with the risk of it flopping anyway, but in a video game it's (relatively) simpler and safer to do this so Norcan territory can be occupied by people who actually look like they live there (Warriors in the game was a faction that couldn't hold settlements), and much safer to believe people would be willing to pay a few bucks for the content rather than buy the plastic crack.
>>98272416In that case. Very good question you asked. Why do you care about Fantasy if you want what it was 30+ years ago. Nothing wrong with liking alternative games, but why are you here?
>>98272408Whether you or I like it or not, it's by now a near-constant consideration in GW's plans for armies and release waves.
>>98272111I started with the bret starter box and its a really good way to start the army as everything in it is both good and usable. I think its very unlikely that the battle march box will be better. I think the battle march box for the bretonnians will be very similar as most of the kits outside of the starter box are either metal or resin. the only real options for such a box are:Men-at-armspeasant bowmenKnights of the realmKnights of the realm on footpegasus knightsLord on Royal PegasusBSB on Royal PegasusOnly the KOTR on foot and the BSB are not in the starter kit, so if I could predict the future I would say the starter will probably contain some regular KOTR and KOTR on foot with one of the lord on pegasus (the BSB seems to make more sense) and a scattering of peasants.Personally I strongly dislike the KOTR on foot kit so I wont buy the battle march box if they are included but you are free to do as you please.As you are currently playing with your friend's army the optimal course would be to wait and see, but if you dont have the patience or if you don't want to take the risk of GW retiring the starter box I would recommend buying the starter box.
>>98272443I'm not the guy who originally proposed the question. I just agree with a lot of his sentiments. As for me, it's the Warhammer fantasy general. Not the "GW fanboys general." I don't feel any obligation to glaze bad models or bad rules. Imho 5-6th was peak Warhammer. Though I do like ToW for using bigger bases that make it easier to rank up.
Whats the ideal unit size and frontage for Chaos Ogres? Is it worth the extra rank but going narrow for the impact hit ap bonus?
>>98272519with the TK v Wood elves starter set rumors, im hoping that more of these sets will be released and each will feature new models for both sides.there are already rumors of new tk skeleton infantry and chariots, it would make sense to release another versus kit that has those models plus the character kit and release new WE models.then do it again for each of the other armiesorcs v dwarvesbeastmen v empirehigh elves v norsca (?)brets v ???not all of those make sense but something like that would be great
>>98269954Chaosanon, always love seeing your stuff.Question for you (and anyone else) how do I take good full army pictures? I can take decent picture of units, single/multiple models. But for my full (and growing) army I'm always kind of stuck.Is it even possible, past a certain size?
>>98272051unfortunately true
>>98272568Multiples of 4 let you cheese the system for stuff like being "over 25%" "under half" stuff, and is a pretty good frontage. Unless your opponent lets you use Monsterous Ranks from renegade rules, you're paying a whole lot for very little benefit of you try to go deep. It's 150 points for +1 static res and a +1 AP on 4 impact hits.
>>98272583I think that is a lot of might and maybe and with brets being one of the starter armies I wouldn't expect anything major for them until about 2030.
>>98272589Looks best with on nice battlefield with a scenic background.
>>98272583>brets v ???BRETS V VAMPIRESBRETONNIAN VAMPIRESIT'S FUCKING HAPPENINGLET'S FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>98272698That would be sick. It would be a good way to work VC into ToW given the timeline shit and it could be sick to get some refreshed undead.
>>98272652So doing a small or MSU is better if not going wide?
>>98272698>>98272730Would be a good chance to make a focus on another bloodline, with the Von Carsteins getting their shit kicked in.
>the aos thread is just constant seething over tow and schizo conspiracy postingmy sides
>>98272832Fuck off back to the 40k thread, faggot.
>>98272832>go into aosg to shitpost>get told to fuck off back to tow>>the aos thread is just constant seething over towDid you think we would applaud you for epically owning the aossissies or something? Retard.
>>98272845>shitmar baby is camping all the threadsyou people are vermin
>>98272853have not once posted in aos. You got called out troon
What can you guys tell me of Sudenburg?Doesn't matter if the info is from the Armybooks, the RPGs or the Total Warhammer games; I want to know.
>>98272832Just let them be man. Don't drag piles of shit here.
>>98272832go back, you don't belong here
>>98272770Yes. They hit pretty hard, but stack no static combat res. They work well in tandem with an infantry block that does. They will have a tendency to not kill enough to win, then be double outnumbered and break if they go in alone.
>>98270817>beastmen are seriously lacking a centerpiece modelDon't they have a moose dragon or something?
>>98272346>playing with a foidYou couldn't pay me money to do this. That sounds incredibly unpleasant and draining
>>98271461Bro just use both, now you have some sculpt variety in your ranks.
>>98272666I wish I had the space to store all my old terrain just so I could take staged pictures.
>>98272888The preyton? That thing is like the size of a demigryph. It's a lot smaller than you'd think.
do we like the new ogres
>>98272908Oh that sucks. They should just give them a model that's a cliff or a mountain with a giant mark of chaos on it that you just plop down on your side of the board and let it do shit to units within line of sight of it.
>>98272909I do but I've been getting into bronze age china since like last week so that was a very nice surprise
>>98272909Think for yourself you cockroach
>>98270817The Herdstone, anon.And no, the beastmen don't need a dragon-equivalent. That completely goes against the point of the army.
>>98272956>That completely goes against the point of the army.Cough jabberstlyhe cough
>>98272925Explain the connection
>>98272996not him but the cauldron and I think the plates are the obvious tell signs.
>>98271461Mix them together, mix the parts (if you can) make something cool and unique.
>>98272909i find it really funny how every iteration of ogres is somehow fatter and more retarded lookingThey are much better than the WoC they revealed i have no idea why they made them
>>98272964Fantastic, so you do have a centrepiece. Glad that's been settled.
>>98273172I wasnt him, but I did think its funny how functionally every army does have a (potential) dragon. I guess orcs have wyverns though.
>>98271129T. Consoomer
do beastmen forge their own weapons or just scavenge and loot? do they engage in diplomacy and coordinate with other chaos warbands when the need arises or do they just hate everyone and everything that's not a beast or mutant of chaos?
>>98273308The never forge. They do make some weapons, but tying a knife to a stick is not hard to do. Most weapons are scavenged.They do heavily coordinate, way more than any of the other chaos factions besides maybe chaos dwarfs, but they don't do diplomacy unless you call fuck parties diplomacy. The only time they tend to fight each other is for leadership of a herd. And yes, they hate everyone.
>>98272909Their heads are a little small like the new Orks but I like the bulls and two of the ironguts.
>>98272863Start with the location and linking or uploading maps that show it's position in the world.>>98272909I like that they're more asian. Even the segmented armour the irongut guys have on one arm seems like a retard-version of some chinese armours I've seen (I think it was from after 1200s but before Qing dynasty)I don't know their scale, so they might be good or bad on that front.They seem to be very sparse on greebles, opposite of new Chaos Warriors. I'd have to see them next to other human-sized models to understand their scale and then decide if I like the level of detail.>>98273452GW are just moving to truscale everything, everyone will have tiny heads. Heroic proportions are too complex for people to handle.
>>98273308The art and models imply they have at least some degree of metal working, but probably nothing beyond heating metal around a fire and forcing it into a shape they want at most. They do work with other chaos groups, but pretty much only off the grounds of shared hatred of the enemies of chaos then any diplomacy. They basically see themselves as the true servants of chaos so to them it’s probably the equivalent of a lesser race offering it’s own neck to you while convinced it’s the real big boy in charge.
>>98273471>GW are just moving to truscale everything, everyone will have normal human headsBased. I will not be sad to see bobblehead proportions go. For humans anyways.
>>98269954hunchback chaos warriors look like shit and new chaos warriors don't look anything like them
>>98272340Looking good
I like them.
>>98273553I can see the complaints as to them looking a bit too "plain" but I dont really mind it. Props to gw finally learning how to make pants though. and scars, I guess.
>>98273553I see what they were going for, but I didn't like it.
>It's Ma'am!
>redditThe post was low quality enough to begin with.
>>98272281Norse were one of the OG Warhammer factions and have more right to be in the game than Empire does.
>>98273553They're pretty much perfect. They're exactly like fantasy ogres. Although I think their gut plates are a tad too big
>>98273553I'm curious what they'd look like with the smaller gutplates.
test
>>98273630you probably dont even need to kitbash it for that, just shave it down and maybe green stuff it to smooth out the flesh.
>>98273553>>98273622>>98273630I was thinking the gut plates were too big as well. Hopefully they can be easily trimmed down.
>>98273553>>98273622i like how they actually look like the art finally and i like the realismbut part of me misses the classic ogres orc like faces and classic fantasy aesthetic
>>98273553I actually prefer the new proportions. But I don't like the look of their new armor, especially the helmets. The butcher and mini-butchers are great.
>>98272996That's a ding pot, which are usually decorated with an abstract depiction of an entity called the Taotie that embodies gluttony. The big pot on the new Slaughtermaster seems to be based on them.
>>98270896TOW models not having the classic appeal/aesthetic is odd to me since 90% of the range is the old models and these new chaos models are meant to look like 5e
>>98273698thats really interesting anon
>>98273702it makes sense when it's a really old shitty kit like the marauders, they were closer to the original warrior regiment which was that period of unfathomably shit designs like monkey skaven (though i still have a soft spot for these kits probably because of nostalgia)
>>98273291People not buying the models is how WHFB died in the first place, retard.
So what's the speculation on when the Ogres come out? Next month right? Because next month there's gonna be a Spearhead tournament at my Games Workshop and I want that Army Set as my first AoS army.
>>98273767This hobby and general were in a better spot when WHFB was dead. You nuhammer trannies wouldn't get it though , so no point trying to explain it to you
>>98273767thats a lie and has never been proven. It was axed because it was too european and problematic. they wanted to release DEI he-man hammerThey brought it back because DEI hammer doesn't sell and WFB is beloved by all and sells.
What's stopping GW from adding back male Dark Elves, Wood Elves, and Beastmen into AoS?
>>98273795better question why cant they give us back our missing armies Also ogurs is ours
>>98273787You post is a good example why this general is dead.>>98273793Take your meds schizo
>>98273799Because GW is allergic to cross compatibility between their game systems, especially in recent years. At the start of 10th Edition 40K they got this shitty little notice that full rules support for Horus Heresy units was being dropped despite GW having actively advertised many of those same units as refreshed options in 40K just months earlier.A lot of these models had strong rules and had been common sights on 40K tables since at least 8th Edition. Some even originated as 40K units before GW reclassified them as Heresy only, essentially telling players too bad.The approach probably even hurts GW’s own revenue. Instead of buying a cool model that works across systems a lot of people probably see the lack of official support for their main system and simply walk away.
>>98273799>ogursJames just called, they're actually called 'Oh-Gorez™' now. With a 'Z'. And make sure you buy some Fyreslayurz™ while supplies last, they're selling fast! Just like Skaventide™! No, really! Please? Please buy some. Just one box. Half off? No? Okay, just take them! They're free! PLEASE! I'll suck your fucking dick! You want me to eat shit? I'll eat your fucking shit!
>>98273793True, all the evidence points to it. The reptilians felt Warhammer Fantasy was a threat to their OWG plans.>>98273854It's certainly this, but it might also be they're stupid and don't realise that Dark Elves don't sell for ToW because... you know. So then they think "well there's no point updating that line".Also, it's been revealed over time that in the past (like 2000's, mid 2010's) employees had their own biases and some simply loved one faction and just hated other factions and didn't want to work on them. So I suspect that may be going on now as well. Maybe it's less a strategic decision of "we need Cathay vs Chaos" and more that someone just likes Chaos Warriors so they're getting replacement models when they aren't desperate for an update.
Skevuns
>>98273867Skayvun McDaniel
>>98273854I think they might be slowly turning around on it.They openly advertise the recent Custodes released as cross-game compatible.
>>98273863https://www.instagram.com/reel/DYt4liXP2hF/
>>98273870Nah, custodes are a one time deal. Gw has actively reshaped both 30k and 40k around them at this point. Too demonstrate how much they want to separate the other ranges, they’re making whole new knight kits so they can’t use 30knolastic knights.
>>98273863The funniest part is it’s all because they won’t stop trying to shove their poster boys down peoples throat. >Skaven players loved skaventide >Also stormcast I guess >Skaven players buy it and then the rest just sit >11th edition 40K box is tired forced marines and orks >Ork players buy the shit out of it >marine players pissed they didn’t get their 220th ultra special unit >everyone else disinterested in loyalist space marines >Armageddon box is probably going to shelf warm after ork players grab what they want of it
>>98273870Custodes tend to be the one exception because there's no way in-lore to differentiate the Custodes from the Heresy and the current ones in 40k. Until they decide to make Primarisized Custodes.
>>98273878>>98273874New Journal for heresy has a Daemons of Tzeentch armylist though. I think there's more to it.
>>98273854>GW having actively advertised many of those same units as refreshed options in 40K just months earlier.Not even just that, the Kratos was completely brand new, and not just a plastic port from Forge World before 40k mothballed them all entirely.>>98273878Imperial Knights as well, but the Bellatus chassis they introduced is seemingly trying to step on the same toes as the Cerastus ones made for 30k. And unless they make some Chaos equivalents, those guys could just straight up lose many options with no equivalence. On the other hand, they got way more Armiger equivalences already.>>98273903Ruinstorm Daemons and Imperialis Militia to be fair allow some room for self-expression, like Renegade Crowns, and also Venators in Necromunda. Something that 40k and AoS are way more anal about letting players have.
>>98270896We are just waiting for them to squat The Old World and replace it with a overhauled post Storm of Chaos setting.Only the Video game is doing that, weirdly enough.
>>98272081>Dark Elves and Ogre Kingdoms leaving LegendsFucking called it. TOW is functionally a repository of old sculpts and now that they've completely squatted/replaced the old DElf and Ogre ranges in AoS, it's only a matter of time before they come back for TOW. As long as the kits themselves aren't pulling double duty, GW doesn't seem to care about keeping AoS and TOW armies exclusive to each other. Except for a few flagship ones the AoS devs seem to want to keep exclusive to AoS as part of its "brand identity" like Skaven (cf new AoS Skaven vidya), I think we'll eventually see the return of every WHFB range as it was left in 2014 to TOW, unless sales happen to tank so dramatically it kills the game beforehand.>An arcane journal focussed on Marienburg and a version of Dogs of War, but keep expectations realistic.I'm going to assume this means no DoW MTO but an AJ that gives you rules for assembling merc armies? I think it would be cool if we got a few units with no models, like idk, mounted xbows, and a hobby guide showing how to kitbash them (from official TOW kits of course).>new sculpts per army eg Beastmen Brayherds getting a new Ungor kit and O&G get a new Moonclan Grot kit.Don't give me hope anon...
>>98273870The new HH journal will also have rules for Tzeentch demon army so that something that TOW might get down the line
>>98272159>they're incredibly ugly women if they are women.Well yeah this is GW we're talking about.
>>98273956>weThe two of you, I guess, in your head.
>cool chaos warriors>cool ogres>cool eldar>decent orks>no massive blunders at allRare GW reveal win
>>98274006>WoClook terrible like ai>Ogursyeah ok they are cool>eldarlook gay>orkslook like cartoons
>>98273793>whines their is no proof>makes outlandish claims without proofRetard lol
>>98274028i use my eyesi look at wfbi see it is europeani use my eyes againi look at aids of shitmari see sassy afro bitches in cities of shitmari wash my eyesI have all the proof i need you are gay
>>98274032>It came to me in a dream
>>98273553God damnit they're growing on me.
>>98274032>i see it is europeanUghh...herro?
>>98273622>>98273666>>98273667They're bigger to hide nipples (family friendly game plz)
>>98274006Yeah, GW is still the best in the business
>>98274024>>eldar>look gayThen it's correct.
>>98274032So no proof then?I accept your concession :)
So are the old Ogre Kingdom models RIP or are they gonna be reboxed for TOW? Seems odd they would alter their design but continue with the old ogre design for that Cathgay cannon. There's no hard plastic ogre kit that works well as generic any-era ogres. I like the WGA ones, but they can't work as anything other than Imperial Ogres so they can't double time as ogres for my Oathmark army and aesthetically match.>>98272909Not really. Pinheaded, and they're gonna be so overpriced and annoying to build, like all of GW's output in the last decade.
>>98273553I don't like them at all. Out of everything they've shown only the butchers look decent to me and if you could snatch one of those elites that come in packs of 3 they could make nice generic btucher hero. I hate the helmets, I hate the gutplates and I am not big fan of new proportions. Faces look dorky too. Luckily for me I pretty much have all the ogres I may ever need, besides maybe needing to stock up on some leadbelchers.
>>98273767nta but WHFB died because GW shat the bed hard. The end of WHFB was full of shit rules and centerpiece models.
>>98274063Buy the second hand models is all I can say. The sooner those are gone from the market the sooner gw might consider bringing them back officially.
>>98274006Necromunda was fucking murdered but OK.Also Exodites were blundered and the execution was pretty shit.> Not enough units to make a full faction but feel out of place in a CWE army> Dino arms are too long/muscular> Riders look identical to CWE and don't convey low-tech at all
>>98274071And yet 8th edition is still more fun than anything tow has tried to achieved. And this isn’t even because of all the options/non legacy stuff. The game at its core is fun, unlike tow.
>>98274073>Buy the second hand models is all I can say.I (thankfully) don't need to buy any currently. I just don't want those old mini lines to go away until someone else produces an appropriate replacement. Bad enough we've lost the old marauder minis.
>>98274087This looks embarrassing.
>>98274075>> Not enough units to make a full faction but feel out of place in a CWE armyIt's just a first release>> Dino arms are too long/muscularIt's just one dino type and who cares>> Riders look identical to CWE and don't convey low-tech at allexodites do have tech though, they just don't let AI and robots do all the work for them
>>98274090At least they have milk on tap, fresh from the source.
>>98274092exoshites are suppose to be fur clad barbarians in leather with lasguns
>>98274087Where do these things happen? Always so confused when I see them, It's like another reality.
>>98274098I just wonder if Jes was involved at all or if these are the first Eldar/elves where he wasn't involved.Not that that's necessarily saying much.
>>98274101larpsI went to a "historical reenactment" a long long time ago when i was a teen.It was like a football match with medieval gear, very dangerous and everyone doing it was insane
>>98274101There is a MASSIVE larp scene for Warhammer Fantasy, Anon. Especially in Germany, since larpfags there already have landsknecht/tross outfits out the wazoo. Naturally, there is a need for baddies.
>>98274105they don't look like any exodite art to me. I've been arguing with the people defending them all day.
>>98274112
>>98274114There's official exodite art?
>>98274087Shame she looks like 300 lbs of cottage cheese in a burlap sack under that dress. Look at those fucking knockers! Boiyoiyoiyoing!
>>98274116etc>>98274119>she looks like 300 lbs of cottage cheese in a burlap sackYou don't have to sell me, I'm already sold.
>>98274117yeah blanche and some other stuff even recent animations like The Exodite.
>>98274116>BY SIGMAR! TALKING RATS! — ACK!
>>98274117Jes Goodwin and Blanche both drew em, they've also been on a dogshit HH BL book cover
>>98274124Not even the worst animal encounter they had that day.
>>98274126Same vibe
>>98274122>>98274116>>98274112>>98274087These look like great fun. Love the colours and costumes. I do historical reenactment, English civil war with the Sealed Knot Society. Never done medieval, but like >>98274106 says. The pike pushing gets pretty competitive, split faces aren't uncommon with everyone wearing helmets. It's a sort of extreme sport in itself. We do go in 'at point' as well, but that just ends up a tangled mess to the point (pun unintended) where you can't really do anything.Fucking reformatting post umpteen times because it thinks i'm spamming.
>>98274063>So are the old Ogre Kingdom models RIP or are they gonna be reboxed for TOW?RIP for the time being, and the time being will stay so for a long while.
>>98274075Not to mention the names coming straight out of AoS> Clanblade on Redmaw Drakesteed> Stonesinger on Venomcrest Drakesteed> Leystalker on Darkscale Drakesteed
>>98274024>look terrible like aiDid you look at the literal AI painted pictures of the WoC in these threads, by chance?>>98274070>Faces look dorky tooCan you please elaborate on this? I would have described the old ogre models as having "dorky faces" due to their fat-head scale and exaggerated facial features like noses, eyes etc. Kind of like an ugly cartoon face. The new ogres I think are ugly, but not an ugly cartoon, so I think they look less dorky.Maybe we have different interpretations of the word.Also the helmets: I think they're comically large, and would like the "horns" smaller but I sort of like them as a visual element that suggests an ogre culture and style.>>98274105There are some old Jes concept sketches, and they look almost identical. To the point it's indicative that GW has no new ideas. There is One Guy who refuses to accept this because he has coomer headcanon and it's probably >>98274098>>98274114
>>98274182kys you shitposting tard, its nothing to do with "coomer" anything
>>98274081I could've agreed with you if you said 6th edition, but this is just pure delusion.
You know I did call that all the secondary faggots would latch on to 8th ed and 6th when ToW came out.Your utter pathetic complaining about everything to do with a tabletop you "do really play" doesn't mask your nomodels.
>>98274205These people want to desperately see this general dead.
>>98274215It's not that. It's just a inbuilt cope for why they do not do the hobby. Fantasy was easy to latch on to since they killed it. but with ToW they need a new cope.
>>98269863For those that don't play and have collected models on/off over their time in the hobby, how would you explain to us the differences between the rulebooks 5th through 8th and ToW? I notice that 6th has the most expansive amount of army books (which is probably where I'd head if I were to start playing), but beyond that I'm not really clued up on the nuances between the editions. Interested to read Anons thoughts on this (whoever has an answer).
>>98274189So just the regular kind of retardation where someone can't let go of their headcanon that was always wrong then, gotcha.
>>98269863You ever think he just sort of misses his horse sometimes?
>>98274246go back idiot
>>98274125>they've also been on a dogshit HH BL book coveJust scrolled through a million shitty power armor covers to find this. If anything it looks even more like just a guardian on a cold one.
>>98274233For a moment I thought you meant you only wanted the opinion of people who don't play but have collected models.My memory of 5th is weird as I barely played it but read and talked with vets a lot about it. I remember the magic system was via cards and 6th pivoted to cards.Compared to 5th, 6th also had a vibe of larger armies of more mooks, and less powerful heroes. IIRC that was a combo of force organisation rules (you had to have certain numbers of troop types and couldn't splurge on a gigalord) and something else... because that wouldn't enough for the change. I can't remember.6th through to 8th were on a continuum, in that they were quite similar in basic principles but just tuned to be increasingly bigger and louder and dumber. 7th had bigger units than 6th, 8th had bigger units than 7th. Monsters and 'monstrous infantry' became more common. Magic got more powerful due to miscast simplification, I think. Psychology and other kinds of randomness were watered down, which also contributed to bigger units of soldiers: numbers of dice became more important over time.My knowledge of ToW is frankly bad, I have played it only a few times against 1 (one) opponent.I'd say ToW compared to others is similar to that 6th-8th continuum. It feels smaller like 6th, but heroes are more powerful (and often the lynchpin of how you win) and cavalry are more powerful (hate bretonnians)At worst, people will be enraged by my post enough to post their own Correct opinions.
>>98274246Apparently. I have no other explanation for why he doesn't see the similarity of the models to stuff like >>98274274and is also so angry.
>>98274293can you stop and go back to 40kg
>>98274286Cheers for the input anon.>For a moment I thought you meant you only wanted the opinion of people who don't play but have collected models.Yeah, I certainly could've worded my post better to be fair.
>>98274294Can fakegrogs fuck off from this general?
>>98273793I know this is a low effort shitpost but 1st edition AoS wasn't more dei than fantasy if you look back. Esrly stormcast, khorne, fyreslayers ... all dudes, unlike their recent kits.
>>98274233The differences are both smaller than you'd think and more impactful than they appear. Fundamentally if you understand the core rules of 5th you'll understand the core rules of the others, to the point you actually have to pay attention so you don't accidentally fuck up and use methods from another edition by mistake.In the broadest terms:-5th focuses a lot on characters. Many armies can build single characters that can dominate a whole game functionally on their own unless their opponent has something specifically designed to either go toe-to-toe with such monsters or at least to bog them down. Army building was based on percentages. Magic is card based, with spell cards you select or generate for your wizards and a Winds of Magic deck that gets shuffled and drawn from during the game to actually power the casting of spells. It was really fun, providing everyone agreed not to build ludicrous characters - but in any group of more than two people there was always at least one who built ludicrous characters.-6th focuses more on armies. Characters are still impactful, but almost none of them can rival a whole enemy army alone. Armies tend to be slightly bigger than 5th, but that's largely due to people now spending less points on characters and so having more for everything else. 6th moved to a slot-based system for army selection, with certain permitted numbers of various unit types(Lord, Hero, Core, Special, Rare) depending on the points level of the game and/or quirks of a given army list. Magic moved to a dice-based system for both powering and dispelling spells. 6th got a lot of supplementary content that's pretty fondly regarded.(cont)...
How do I start High Elves?I have the old island of blood starter set from ages ago and I'm trying to get back into warhammer
>>98274233>>98274345...(cont):-7th is the red headed step-child. It's more of a 6.5 edition in terms of its core rules with only a few updates, some good some less so. Armies got bigger but this time not naturally, the core rules expanded the basic rank width of units from 4 to 5, so if you wanted to maintain the same rank bonus you had to make all your units larger. GW also started using "organised play" in this period to encourage larger standard game sizes. At the same time on the business side, lots of stuff ended up reboxed with fewer minis for the same price, or went up in price, or were replaced with new sculpts that did both at once. Then the army books started coming out, and the imbalance between newer and older books was legitimately comical. The studio seemed to be in a competition to see who could write the most OP armies, and if you were using a 6th list and your opponent showed up with High Elves, Dark Elves, or Undead and hadn't deliberately and significantly crippled their own army list the game wasn't even really worth playing the conclusion was so foregone. All of these issues big and small together tanked the playerbase, and you rarely find people who want to play 7th now - some play the 7th rulebook with 6th armies, or even just use the few decent changes 7th made as houserules for 6th, but the edition as a whole is pretty abandoned.(cont)...
>>98274340dats bullsht, first of all Stormcraps have masks but they were off the bat being given dyke women onesThen the first iteration of cities of shitmar with the legacy mortals were given dei paint jobs.Then they repeatedly released DEI headed miniatures with DEI paintjobsand it has only ever been increasing ever sinceForgot to mention the chaos warriors which are all dei, female in equal amounts. Same thing happened to 40k
>>98274233>>98274350...(cont):-8th, we now know in hindsight, was basically a deliberate fleecing of what was left of the WHFB fanbase while GW was busy setting up End Times and AoS. It made multiple further tweaks to the core rules all designed to push even bigger unit sizes and larger armies, then added some genuinely heinous magic spells that could delete or debilitate whole units at once in a desperate attempt to make sure games didn't last for ten hours. New large "centrepiece" units were the main product of the studio for armies at the time - big, powerful ingame, and expensive IRL - both to make money and to provide a way for people to eat up points in their army without buying yet-more huge blobs of infantry. Cavalry got a huge nerf as well, instead of the modest nerf they actually needed, further cementing the BLOB meta. Some people still have nostalgia for it, but IME & IMO you have to escalate from the gentlemen's agreement of 5th to a full-on UN summit negotiation to create a framework for your group where 8th is fun, and collecting armies for it is a fucking chore.Look if you've got a couple of mates to play with you can have fun with any edition of Warhammer, but your instinct to at least begin with 6th is correct IMO, it's the version of the experience that requires the least effort and knowledge to get to the having fun stage, and the basic principles will carry forward or backward if you decide you want the more character focused or XBAWXHUEG army experiences of other editions. /fin
>>98274246he's been shitposting nonstop about it for hours now
>>98274360please please kys autist
>>98274352>dats bullsht, first of all Stormcraps have masks but they were off the bat being given dyke women ones...no? 1st edition stormcast were all made bodies, with the exception of a chick in the underworlds warband which came out in 2017. Female stormcast in regular units had to wait until 2nd edition, which is also where the "dei paintjobs" for cos come fromCathay also shows they're perfectly capable of adding "dei" to fantasy without having to blow up the world, so this whole argument is moot anyway
>>98274375lol anon cathay is used as an example pf them avoiding dei, since they are depicted as homogenous.The most dei thing they have done i think is adding random females to a Bret unitAt least last i checked they stopped the practice of swarthy chaos marauders
Core box and WoC stuff shouldn't be too far away
>>98274112>dont come a knockin' if you see the tank a rockin'
>>982743751st edition core rules book has a literal dyke on the cover lol fuck off you liar
Where is paperhammer anon, how goes the progress
>>98274417Do not summon him. He sickens me.
>>98274385probably won't be this week, Sunday preview though
>The box also includes everything you need to play, including rules, dice, templates, a playmat, and more.>a playmatthey've not showed it, have they?
>>98274393What the fuck are you talking about schizo
>>98274430No. I'm guessing it doesn't look great.
>>98274430It's a shame those are all the cathay models I don't actually need more of, besides the cannon. Would have been a GOATed box otherwise. And the chaos standalone box isn't great either because of the shitty sorcerer.
>>98274431Do you not see the big boobs on the Stromcasts armor?
>>98274393retard
>>98274473They showed the one for Necromunda, and that doesn't look great either, so why not show the TOw one as well?
>>98274473Sometimes they come out cheap enough on the second hand market, but yeah, usually they're shit, I was hoping one made for TOW would be less overdesigned.I see the 40k one they've shown is made after the old realm of battle board, if they do one with the same skull pits but grassy for fantasy I might pick a pair.
>>98274478Based retard
>>98274032Inner Cities of Sigmar
>>98274071Centerpiece models are the biggest money makers for GW. That's why they turn everything into one. You have to be realy shit to not sell centerpieces
>>982740818th is fun after a decade of fan comp, rules updates, and errata.The 8th of today is not the 8th that heralded the end of our world, anon. You would know that if you actually played 8th.
>>98269863How can they even make asavar kul stand out when the dragons are going to steal the spotlight?
Think GW will surprise us with an early release announcement for this new stuff tonight?
>>98274656yup, the battalions are gone so no doubt they'll be out soon. Not sure about the other battlemarch sets though, depends if they have anything new
>>98274393That's 2nd edition genius
How do you sell your soul to Chaos Undivided? It can't like speaking to tempt you, and if the Gods are tempting you, why wouldn't they want your soul for themselves? The mark of Chaos Undivided is lame rules wise, Chaos Undivided is usually saturated with Bloodletters instead of having a daemon army actually representing all four gods off the tabletop.
>>98274032Lizardmen and Tomb Kings are iconically European flavored
>>98274689Read the Realm of Chaos books from 3rd edition.
>>98274689pantheons are based
>no boots ruinedabsolute WoWshit. they belong in AoS
>>98274733Post your Warriors
>>98274689If you ask the modern writers you can't sell your souls to chaos undivided, only to one of the gods, with the caveat that if you are truly steadfast, strong-willed and badass then you can slowly but surely amass gifts and favours which they try to give you as entry drugs into their clutches but without ever actually committing to them, and using the attentions the other gods also have in you to make the other gods jealous so they all redouble their gifts in their respective attempt to win you over for themselves alone, but that's so difficult that normal chaos warriors rarely stay on this path for long before falling for one god, and only everchosen-like figures and their retinues get to walk the path to glory this way to legendary end results, and without ever truly losing ownership of their own soul (regardless of whether that's just a technical cope).Of course this is all lame new shit, previously you could simply be a zealous servant of all the gods and reap the fruits of your dedication without having to play feminine mindgames with overly anthropomorphized eldritch entities because they used to be conceptualised as something way more distant, schizophrenic, and even possibly just aspects of one great undivided beast, which could absolutely spawn undivided daemons and create undivided princes.If you want to represent undivided demons you have to rely on furies and proxies, mantic has a few serviceable plastic kits, and the chaos roster has more than enough unit profiles to have whatever kind of freak from infantry, hound to monster, even though you'll lose on some flavour for not having the "proper" chaos demon rules.
>>98274760Can't you see who is climbing the walls?
>>98274760bro?
>>98274784Thats clearly not a black person
>>98274638Bitches love a sick-ass chariot
Well at least he let him keep the beard. Chaos officially more respectful than orcs.
>>98274784GW's retarded libshit interpretation of Averlanders to basically be non-German ethnic doesn't make that man a pygmy negro. He's basically a Warhammer Turk. Just like the Ostland Freelance Knight guy is a Warhammer H*ngarian.
>>98274852With Chaos, it's more about proof of the kill of a formidable foe. With Orcs, it's more about "FUCK STUNTIES LOL"
>>98274881Isn't that guy one of the PCs for the TOWRPG?They state his parents are not from the Empire, so he's a first or second immigrant from somewhere else>Frederick Clauser’s parents were not born in theEmpire
>>98274656The 40k starter stuff is next month so they might slip the battle march stuff in before then.
>>98272863You'll find almost nothing about the city itself in the books. As far as I know: 3ed.WRPG details an expedition beginning from Sudenburg, but not much else; there's an item that Franz Lohner received from defending the city; and there's a map showing the city the 7th ed. Rulebook. Any further information on Sudenburg you can find in Total Warhammer 2 & 3.Even Leopoldheim got more attention
>>98274881Just seems like you're ceding way too much ground, anon.>well he might be brown but at least he's not a nigger!
>>98274852You know, that kind of looks exactly like a stormcast leg.
So are Battle March boxes gonna be part of a format with premade armies like Combat Patrol and Spearhead or is it just mini lineup for 500-750 point level army?
>>98274942yeah looks like it, and the format for the boxes seems to be>1 character either mounted or on foot>1 full box of infantry>1/2 box of Calvery, >1/2 box of either more cavalry or special units(crane gunners/ iron hail gunners)
>>98274921At this point we take what the fuck we can get. At least we're not at AoS levels... yet. >>98274592
>>98274941>anon learns what greaves are
>>98274984knights did not just leave the backs of their knees exposed with a bit of cloth like GW seems to think nowDon't even @ me if you're gonna cope with the cloth covering mail or something
>>98269863Overall nice minis but I don’t like the barbute looking helmets.Cheese-grater and death knight looking helmets have been iconic parts of the look for a while and toning it down to differentiate the kits from Sigmar feels stupid.Now we got one overturned and one understated version rather than one proper look
>>98274430It'll be paper like the ones they've started releasing in starter sets recently.
>>98275022can't you use the aos ones for normal warriors and these ones for chosen?
I'm disapointed the starter set doesn't come with a little booklet discussing the lore of the fight in the box and a mini campaign like they used to do.
>>98272589I wish I knew, anon. I usually just stand pretty far back and set my phone's camera to multi-focus and even then it's a total crapshoot. A real camera, like the ones photographers use, would probably be better. As a matter of fact, that's probably more of a question for /p/!
>>98274353Cheers for taking the time to post that Anon, sheds a good deal of light on how things developed and declined for me.
>>98275034They gotta milk the chaosVScathay content for the arcane journals prs underestanduand this isn't even the end of it most likely
>>98275034That could be what's in the muster list, since what they showed it seems to be AJ-sized, and you can't really justify that page count with just the stats blocks for all the units in that box.
>>98269863it looks cool and all, but actually painting and storing and transporting this would be hell.
>>98274993Nobody cares, loser.
>>98275052I like the direction they went soft-splitting WoC into Norscan marauders and full-blown Chaos Wastes WoC murderchads.
>>98275034because the lore was already in the chaos journal, it's just the battle in Westerlund under Frydaal Chainmaker. Still the lore has been a fucking mess they've thrown together as they've discovered the release schedule and budgeting so it's hardly worth reading.
>>98275058I was thinking the same, playing aos must be logistical hell
>>98275058Probably would just get a box specifically for the dragon and fill it with bubble wrap.
In TOW, do Orcs and Goblins still play similarly to how they did before? Lost animosity but they seem similar as back before?
>>98274941boss baby comment
>>98275179I'm too old to get this
>>98274770>but that's so difficult that normal chaos warriors rarely stay on this path for long before falling for one godThat doesn't male sense because Mark of Chaos Undivided is the defualt option on chaff unitsAlso since Beastmen are claimed by Chaos from birth, where does the soul of a beastman who was stillborn or get smothered after the rape victim they came from sees the abomination they birthed.
>>98275165They aren’t nearly as unpredictable for better and worse, but they feel really solid arguably a little over tuned since they still have statlines like they will randomly handicap themselves, but orc players seem more interested in playing funny green little guys then winning since tournament data shows they are pretty much a coin flip winrate faction.
>>98272066I thought I was the only one noticing the head shrinkage.Even Space Marines with helmets on have super tiny heads now. The Ogors bother me, they could have almost won me over but not only are their heads tiny, they have small bad teeth, and all have sameface. Generic fat guy triple chin face. And no tusks. Idk just huge fat humans.
>>98275187the vast, vast majority of beastmen hate the chaos gods. Only a couple of the strongest or most warped ones get given gifts from the gods and even those almost never follow a god.The khorngors, tzaangors, etc. are closer to humans who follow the gods than beastmen who are owned by the gods. They chose the god, not the other way around.
>>982751846 year old meme BTW
>>98275199I wasn't watching movies for babies 6 years ago either
>>98275165They play similarly, just better. The only reason they aren't doing top winrate is because greenskin players mostly play to have fun or play the gobbo or savage orc lists like this said >>98275191And those lists are competitive if not amazing, which should tell you everything you need to know about how strong they are currently.
>>98273471>>98274852So cool to see a skull that ISN'T A HUMANS. More of this pls GW.
>>98275191>solid arguably a little over tuned since they still have statlines like they will randomly handicap themselves,I thought Orcs stats were seen as across the board mediocre. I never did tournaments but I thought most other melee races had them beat.>>98275206Might make a return then. My main concern was their core gameplay had changed. But if not, great!
Tzeentch's gifts are beginning to make themselves manifest.
>>98275254The factions still have their character. I'm a Dwarf player, if anything we feel even more Dwarfy in TOW than 8th ed.
>>98275265Sovl potential
>>98275205You don't need to have watched Boss Baby, "Boss Baby" is an arbitrary example.You don't need to know who Chekhov is, or understand what it feels like to shoot a gun to understand what Chekhov's gun means.
>>98275289Bro really thinks boss baby has any kind of cultural relevance on par with chekhov's gun
>>98275294Not that guy, but boss baby has more cultural significance than Chekhov.
>join local wargaming club>members get discounts for a whole list of hobby shops>discover that there's been a miniatures shop 15 minutes from where I live for years, with a well stocked and reasonably priced catalog of wfb stuff including old metals and out of print shit, as well as a bunch of 2nd handWhat the fuck. I half expect that it'll turn out to be a scam when I go visit the place next week.
>>98275294It doesn't have to have cultural relevance to be understood. You (probably) understand non-litteral sentences daily that will be forgotten by the person who said it.I'm not the one who said "boss baby post" and I don't blame people for not knowing random twitter memes.After you saw the context, you either deliberately misunderstood the point or outed yourself as a retard.
>>98275191Orcs and Goblins had good statlines?
>>98275316keeps up posted on your finding that cryptid LGS
>>98275329I'm sorry no one watched your dumb movie anon but it's really not my problem.
>>98275335us posted*
Don't know if I'm being retarded, but is the book for greenskins not in the gofile?
>>98275187>That doesn't male sense because Mark of Chaos Undivided is the defualt option on chaff unitsThe point is that starting as undivided is very easy, but becoming a powerful champion as undivided is extremely difficult, so most warriors start undivided but only a few stay as such.Canonically nobody cares about beastmen so it's not even a sure thing that their souls go to chaos as a rule.
>>98275254Naw, their stat lines are in the top 1/4 of the game for most of their army in the roles they play. They're pretty much the only aemy outside of maybe woodelves where the archers are ok with taking a charge then stand up fighting. Their heavy cav is deadly, their light cav is amazing, their heroes are great, and they have maybe the best seige with doom diver. They just too much options.
>>98275379>Canonically nobody cares about beastmen so it's not even a sure thing that their souls go to chaos as a rule.It's the opposite, their souls are worthless because they already belong to Chaos.
>>98275376seems like it I'll give you a catbox linkhttps://files.catbox.moe/yhekjc.pdf
How do I win as cathay if I only play 0-1 lanterns?
>>98275435Superior generalship.
>>98275409That's something people take for granted, but it's possible they're not as irredeemably chaotic as people believe, especially if we want to take into consideration tigermen possibly being beastmen who broke away from the influence of chaos, or the imperium having dutiful beastmen abhumans in 40k.
>>98274770>>98275379You know, I wonder if someone out there got the absolute poorfag idea of only collecting trash blessings from minor deities like Mermedus, Zuvassin, and others too irrelevant to even be mentioned in lore. Just scrapping the bottom of the barrel for crumbs, all under the assumption that these entities are likewise begging for scraps of worship, and not one of them is big enough to make a serious claim for his soul against the other losers.Naturally the end result is complete impractical and underpowered, but I get a laugh at the idea of Varg, Dollar Store champion of Chaos.
>>98275417Thank you fren! :)
How many characters am I looking at for an all slayer army? Need to know roughly how many guys I'm going to try and source for my characters. Doesn't matter if it's for WHFB or Old World as I'll be basing on 20s and then getting base extenders to play if needed.
>>98275443Off to military school I go.
>>98275206>>98275191I've heard this on here a lot and never seen O&G even come top third in an event even with competitive lists. Their leadership, low armour and shit magic fucks them plus unreliable monsters that can't compete with drogres, giant spawn etc, I think the last bit of competitiveness for their lists died with the changes to poison.
>>98275452Can't speak to any videogame fluff, but the beastmen in 40k are the product of genetic tampering and not evil magic.In Fantasy it's absolutely certain that beastmen are born tainted.
>>98275452>TigermenAs I understand it, their case is something of a reverse-Hashut situation where it took the intervention of an outside deity to adopt them and stake a claim on their souls, with their agreement to form a covenant. It's also a bit of a 40k Eldar-Slaanesh siituation, where it was implied that if the covenant is broken and someone turns away from Kamau, their souls will inevitable drift back to chaos as rightful Tzeentchain clay, because as a race they're still marked and all they can do is seek refuge under their tiger god.This is all taking into account that apparently the good tigers are but a small offshoot while the majority of the species still belongs to chaos down south in Ind, which would track with the limits of a minor deity trying to steal from a much bigger fish.btw I do find it weird that they went with Tzeentch as the former tiger patron. With their great feline predator biology I would have gone with Khorne. Tzeentch fits something like primates better as they're more associated with intellect and trickery.
>>98275401>light cav is amazingHow does one use wolf riders anyway? Thought they were just cheap screen fodder
>>98275521>This is all taking into account that apparently the good tigers are but a small offshoot while the majority of the species still belongs to chaos down south in Indno? the split is not between the good tigers and the chaos tigers, all tigers got liberated by their racial god, the split is between the ones that follow the prophecy of the white tiger, who moved to cathay, and the ones who stayed in ind, who are still followers of their racial god even if they're not followers of the white tiger.
It's out next week>https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/4o8ihwtm/sunday-preview-claim-the-old-world-with-a-new-core-set/
>>98275316my lgs used to stock red boxes before TOW. It was 2018 or so. I played AoS but would pick up some stuff every now and again. A tournament play area opened up down the street and it was cleared in a day, all up on ebay getting scalped. Scum.
>>98275589At last I consoom again
>>98275589But I just got Armageddon and bought the Maximus battle group...I need a little cooling down period.
>>98275589The box seems like bad value but that’s just me. 4 cavalry seems hilarious.
>>98275614that's how they get ya
>>98275614It's not a FOMO box, so I think you can wait it out until the Battle March boxes come out if you just want the new WoC
>>98275628Yeah no this is just hilariously bad, the dice are in there too to spike up its costs I bet. Same with the templates, rulers, etc etc.
>>98275521GW goes with tzeentch whenever ANYTHING has to happen>belakor's entrapment? oh it was tzeentch*>the father of chaos dragons? tzeentchian of course>sigmar tripping into the azyr wind? you can guess it>chaos cults in cathay? why not tzeentch here too>draigo tripping into the warp? deja vu, innit>indian tigermen? no other option but tzeentch I'm afraid>we need a chaos plot twist for total war?yeah, lets go with tzeentch>how did the slann get lethargic?tzeentch did it>the fall of the dwarfs in oldhammer?it tampered with the doomstones*later they made it a group effort, but in 6th it was very much just tzeentch who fucked him over, after all of them withdrew their gifts from him
>>98275628This does not look like a very fair matchup lmao
>>98275655It's going to be Saturnine priced 100%
>>98275655its a box you can buy and play immediately, no additional purchases necessary. its exactly what TOW needs.I am hoping to see more versus boxes like this for the other factions.
>>98275672Because tzeentch is the only competent and interesting chaos god
>>98275601There was a guy who used to post in the local warhammer facebook groups about his scalping escapades. Not about actually playing, or even assembling and painting, just bragging about buying stuff cheap off people who didn't know better and reselling them. Occasionally also blogging about how his stocks were doing. I don't think he understood even up until he was eventually kicked why people hated him so much.
>>98275672"If we make it so that Tzeentch is involved in every single plotline across all of our games, will you finally buy Tzaangors?" -GW, probably
So would buying the core set + the two battle march box be a solid chaos and cathay army or nah?
>>98275679You don't see the vicious cycle of attributing stuff to one god because he's successful, and it being successful because it got attributed stuff?
>>98275700Yeah for WoC but I'm less sure for Cathay
>>98275676Do they come with basing trays
>>98275672>Tricksy scheme god is the most likely to get involved with tricksy schemes
>>98275700Solid core, but you need stuff like forsaken, dragon ogres, hounds/horsemen for cheap skirmish or for cathay sky lanterns and pesant archers.Cathay does run at least 2 canons in most lists so that's good.
>>98275717Most of those weren't even particularly tricksy.You would think the god of excess could be involved in the pinnacle of dwarfs' creations.You would think the god of stagnation could be involved in making sure the slann are sluggish.You would think the god of bloodshed could be involved in letting one of his greater demons suffer a bloody death so that a dragon becomes an uncontrollable monster.You would think the god of war could influence factions so they wage total war on each other.You can view a lot of things from different angles if you apply that tiny bit of attention.
>>98274430>Fantastical battle>12 guys vs 12 guys
What is the price gonna be?
>>98275754$322.00 in the US£200 in the UKyour soul in Korea
>it's not actually a FOMO boxGuess I'll just wait for actual FOMO then
>>98275768>skull pitsIs GW bringing back the Field of Battle table?
>>98275776probably not
>>98275768This thing is only a fomo box if you really care about tbe special edition battletome (you shouldn't)Otherwise it'll release as a semi-permanent spearhead box without the tome in a couple months anyway
Do I add the new stuff to my old Warriors of Chaos army or do I start Cathay?On one hand I hear the gods in my dreams telling me "retvrn white man", but on the other hand "Dragon lady Poontang".
>>98275792Well geez anon at this rate I'm not gonna buy anything at all!
>>98275589No one gonna talk about the merc ogres and baggage train MTO
>>98275458pls help frens
>>98275805We already did when they announced them. I'm picking up the orcs for sure.
>>98275799chaos is for black people. Cathay is for people who like having a vibrator on their nips and dick hole.
>>98275799You can convert the dragon lady into a chaos dragon lady
>>98275805A lot of people will buy the Orges since they been increasing in price on the secondary market for ages now
>>98275768How easy will it to put them on squares?
>>98275825Looks doable assuming those are still 40s
>>98275825It seems they stay on 40mm bases, so fairly easy
ogres already look pretty empty on 40s.
>>98275655Are you new to warhammer or something?
>>98275344>Retard doesnt understand a meme is different to the source material>Cant just admit he's wrong/naive and has to post cope replies
What are your thoughts on the BM box unit lineup? Would you buy multiples of any of these if you were starting the armies? The Warriors of Chaos Battle March set includes:1 Sorcerer of Chaos5 Chaos Marauder Horsemen20 Chaos Marauders8 Warriors Of Chaos4 Chaos KnightsThe Battle March set for Grand Cathay has the following miniatures:1 Shugengan Lord on Great Spirit Longma20 Jade Warriors 5 Jade Lancers 6 Iron Hail Gunners4 Crane Gunner Teams
>>98275803Only looking out for you fren
>>98275908was this box scrapped?
>>98275908No, Gw have structured these boxes so that it's probably cheaper to buy the separate boxes rather than the Battle March boxes
>>98275908Wish they made new forsaken and made them available in the Battle March set instead of 8x warriors.Peasants are more cost effective than jade warriors, I wish they had some either in starter set or Battle amrch box, since you're rarely gonna run that many Jade warriors if you buy both.
>>98275917Yeah, probably I do wonder what the other factions' Battle March boxes would look like
>>98275908The chaos warriors one would be good if it didn’t contain that horrendous sorcerer model. Please just put this one in
>4 horsemen
>>98275742>You would think the god of excess could be involved in the pinnacle of dwarfs' creations.Why? Tzeentch is the god of ambition.>You would think the god of stagnation could be involved in making sure the slann are sluggish.It was a side effect of magic, of which Tzeentch is the undisputed master.>You would think the god of bloodshed could be involved in letting one of his greater demons suffer a bloody death so that a dragon becomes an uncontrollable monster.Tzeentch makes more sense, because it's a more elaborate and convoluted plan. Galrauch is also not some uncontrollable monster. >You would think the god of war could influence factions so they wage total war on each other.Scheming really isn't Khorne's forte.
>>98275941No can do, anon, that's an Aos model you're just going to have to deal with the 8th edition until we get a Chaos Sorcer on foot and on horse box like the Liche Priests did for TK.Or buy the Chaos Dragon and use the Sorcerer on foot.
>>98274726>>982746892nding. It even gets rules for creating your own chaos gods.Its literally PEAK Warhammer, only the 3 Ork books for Rogue Trader can even compare to the shear SOVL it has.
>>98275967Everything about this model is awful.
>>98275967Honestly looks like a marauder shaman. Chaos warriors should not have their helmets removed
>>98275976He works as a Norscan Vitki Chaos character, but he doesn't really fit as a rider of a Chaos Dragon
>>98275452>especially if we want to take into consideration tigermen possibly being beastmenI don't understand how Tigermen could be Cloven Ones. It's a homonym that doesn't need to exist, but Beastmen became the primary faction name for the Cloven Ones, when there are other tabletop armies of things that are "beastmen"
For me? It's gotta be Tzarketh, Bane of Law.
>>98275989he just looks like a lazy kitbash with detail smooshed on it for no reason, and the most important reason for my ire - the staff is boring!
>>98275685What baffles me the most about this isn't that people do it. I understand why it's done. But I really don't understand why they'd share let alone brag about it. It's so counterintuitive, especially at the local level you're just feeding and encouraging your own competition and making your future endeavours harder/less remunerative.If I were to do it, at the very least I'd say nothing, or maybe even pretend it's actually losing me money.
Which army needs new sculpts for existing units the most?
>>98275986He's got an optional helmet.
>>98275976>>98275989nerds mad now that they're accurately portrayed instead of a ChadSorry but Tzeentch works out in the library.
>>98275998the lord looks good on foot at least I hope that isn't a tactical skull pile though
>>98276008I can't imagine building this and going with the sorc instead of that baller Lord
>>98275458Dude especially with slayers, each miniature can be run seamlessly as a character or as a troop. All you've got to do is just like the miniature enough for your to promote him to hero or lord level.
>>98276007Tomb Kings.
Valrak says the price for the box is £150
>>98276038What's the discount overall
>>98275965>Galrauch is also not some uncontrollable monster.it's his defining trait
>>98274820Damn that sounds fucking rad
>>98276038Which box
>>98275967I do the exact same thing with my hand when I pretend to be disabled to use the handicapped stall in bathrooms or get the handicapped seats on the subway/bus.
>>98276051Incorrect. He's occasionally loses control is in fact a cunning Lord of Change.
>>98276038The BMs or coreset?
>still no new BL book for TOWbros
>>98276046So the Cathay side alone is>Gate Keeper on foot and on horse £32.50>20 Jade Warriors £54.50>Five Jade Lancers(half of a normal kit £54.50) £27.25>One Cathayan Grand Cannon with Ogre Loader and three Crew(half of a normal kit £54.50)£27.25So if it's similar to Chaos in pricing, it's like half off + books, dice, shitty play mat, and measurement stick, something like £125+ discount
>>98276055the core set box>>98276068The BM boxes aren't available yet, so the prices aren't known
>>98276070Don't want any if they're like the last one.
>>98276007I long for some nice new generic skeleton kits.
>>98276085Graham McNeill is a shitty fag and it should be easy to deliver a better story than he did
>>98274430Shiit. Why don't the Warriors of Chaos also get an artillery piece?That's discriminatory.
>>98275941The shit you posted is equally bad. Both from the late 8th/early-to-mid AoS uncanny valley.They really should have made a new sculpt, what they put in sticks out like a sore thumb.
>>98276099We have to keep pretending the hellcannon isn't hideous
>>98276096Funny now McNeil technically has an Epstein link due to this guy kek
>>98275976Like>>98275989said, would be completely fine as a Norcan shaman. I could even picture this guy as a necromancer, but no way leading chaos warriors.
What do you think of the Lord on foot?
>>98276141Dunno why they keep doing the exposed neck thing, but generally very cool.
I'm thinking of getting that box, how would you anons recommend me building the Chaos Warriors and Jade Guard regarding weapon choices from a standpoint of how useful they are in battle on average?
>>98276141That weapon seems unwieldy
>>98276152We don't even know if the new Chaos Warriors have weapon options anonJade Warriors is between hand weapons and halberds
>>98276152warriors dont get build options
>>98276109Love the crew though.
>>98276141I've been reserving my comments on it but he looks retarded. The skirt is just dumb enough to make me dismiss him entirely.
The new chaos models look like they'll be nightmares to paint.
>>98276162Probably because it's mostly meant to be a lance for on dragonback
>>98276179The skirt's the best part.
>>98276186I'm not sure it will fit the dragon mount
Looking at competitive lists, there's too much hero hammer and skew for my tastes
>>98276031Thanks, you make me feel a bit better and I don't have to be as rigid with things especially as they are all metal. I guess all that really needs to be done is I need to paint the runes I'll be using on my guys.
The box is 190 pounds. Valrak is a liar and I need to sodomize his ass with my cock and then stretch it out with a dirty dish.
>>98276186The guy on dragonback is using a toothpick in comparison
>>98276186There is literally no monster rider that can hit anything in the entirety of gws cata logue.
>>98276204Do you have proof?
>>98276216
>>98276225Those look like Euros, not pounds.
>>98276225Those are Euros retard
>>98276248>>98276230okay my bad.
>>98276263for future reference anon£ is a pound sign€ is the Euro sign$ is a dollar signI don't know what the difference between the Yen or Yuan sign are thougn
>>98276263You were too focused on looking for an excuse to post your gay sex fantasies bro. Just post them next time, we won't judge.
>>98276225240 burgerbucks in gw exchange rates I think.Skaventide was like 210 euros/ 265 usd if I remember correctly
>>98276192>>98276206It's the same model thoughbeit.
>>98275941Then put him on a 30x30 and use him.I got hold of that limited edition Chaos Sorceress and I use her as a Sorcerer Lord on foot.Remember; AoS is not for playing. It's for ridiculing and stealing the good models from.
>>98275673why, they are both about 650 points exactly? Are you nogames or just unfamiliar with the factions?
>>98276017That helmet looks familiar.
>>98276109But it isn't hideous though.It's fine Dawi-Zharr craftsmanship.
>>98276445yuck, shame this was made before FW fixed chorfs.
>>98276141Hideous Aos-slop.
>>98276104>early-to-mid aosAnon he's from late 2024, barely a year and a half oldThough I prefer the commemorative versuon that came out around the same time
>>98276339Yeah, but im you can fit the character with that spear while on the dragon feels like the dragon will get in the way
>>98275967Man it's been a while since a non-skaven model had warpstone on it
>>98275673Apparently it's point matched.So I guess chaos warriors remain not particularly impressive if they're matched by manlets.
>>98275714Movement trays? That's a want, Not a need
>>98276216>>98276225Well I guess I'm not buying the core set.Haha, 3d printer time!
>>98276572I really doubt they won't make all weapons compatible for both builds
>>98275917I hope so. Any new battle march boxes should be all new models except maybe characters. For TK it should be the rumored new skeleton infantry, new chariots, new horsemen plus a priest or herald from the newer character kits.
>>98276007I quite like the new Orks, I'd be interested in them doing some new Orcs.
>>98276007None. Modern GW sculpts are ass to assemble, shit to convert, and end up just being photocopies of each other without the benefit of cost savings and ease of assembly. If any other company were doing this I would say the high elf spearmen, as while I love them the yaoi hands are to goofy and they need women in the unit being elves and all. But this is GW and fhe dark elf refresh was awful from a modeling perspective and they've only gotten worse.
I think Cathay being the pick for core set was a waste.They should have taken another Good faction and given them new scultps like with Chaos, increasing the desire for people to play them. Cathay already has new scultps that mog everyone else's. Wasted opportunity to update another faction's chunk of minis.
>>98276641>they need women in the unitLmao maybe if you're a gay boy playing with Barbies.
>>98276646No GW is feast and famine. Equitable treatment doesn't happen
>>98276646The rumored TK v WE core set may still see the light of day with all new models. The rumor Monger who predicted it was right on all of their other predictions.
>>98276007There. Are. Still. No. Models. For. Forsaken.
>>98276668That would be a weird pick both in terms of lore and in terms of army popularity.
>>98276589>Outnumbered on infantry and cav>The Chinks brought a cannon
>>98276688There’s a reason why they aren’t in the new book.
>>98276141I really don't like him. I'm already predisposed to not liking "big fuckoff two-handed weapon and one-handed weapon", and it's made worse by just how comically big the glaive is. I also don't like the contrast between the ornate, possibly chorf-made (the scales) armor and the glaive looking like it was some piece of scrap metal an orc banged into shape with a rock.
>>98276007I remember getting my first warhammer fantasy miniatures in 2004. I remember thinking "wow those skeletons look kind of old and shitty, I'd like to collect undead, but I'll wait for them to get some new models." I never thought I'd still be waiting 22 years later.
>>98276690Lore is already set up in an Arcane Journal.
>>98276715Just build him with the sword then.
They should have swapped out the Chaos Warriors in the new Battle March boxset for new Forsaken models. Would get people to buy multiples EZ
>>98276007>skeleton warriors, archers, chariots>grail knights, pilgrims, pegasi>centigors, minotaurs, chariots>dwarf warriors, thunderers, slayers >elf spearmen, elf archers, silver helms>state troops, handgunners, knight orders>normal goblins, big uns, normal trolls
>>98275344I'm really enjoying how dumb this anon is
>>98276727Nobody cares for the lore. Tow is stupid.
>>98276756>Responding to hours old post just to be cattyBig troon energy.
>>98276688They also didn't make the jump to aos despite being like 2-3 years old at that point.Rumour is that something happened to the mold and the unit sold like shit anyway so they just didn't bother fixing it.
>>98276758But it has the most interesting warhammer fantasy lore we ever got. Especially since the empire is completely irrelevant
>>98276768>This never sold wellNo way, for real?!
>>98276646It makes sense in the fact that they are both modern ranges, so the box is more appealing to newbies.But it would have been better if the box contained new Chaos vs new Kislev
>>98276761You're still mad lol
What if the first thing O&G get refreshed is the spider goblin side?
>>98276668I can not imagine a less likely match-up, High Elves vs Bretonnia, I guess for very different reasons.High elves or Lizardmen against the other forces of order is also hard sell, doubly so for High Elves vs Lizardmen against each other.Votann vs Tau is probably the least justifiable fight in the Warhammer extended net, but Votann aren't real to me.
>>98276730we don't even know if GW is making those anytime soon
>>98276797China has more appeal than Poland
>>98276801>Votann vs Tau is probably the least justifiable fight in the Warhammer extended net,I think you're just low IQ.
Genuinely can't imagine how someone would want unit refreshes based on what we've seen of the models GW have added/refreshed in TOW, monopose, cluttered details and less options for things on top of being harder to kitbash. Some of these complaints ring true for a lot of the 8th ed plastics as well.
>>98276801>doubly so for High Elves vs Lizardmen against each other.lizardmen have asspulls to fight whoever they want whenever they want, wherever they want, there are even convenient elven colonies near lustria and the southlands
>>98275628Battle March contains a lot less of the new Warriors and Knights, but instead has Marauders and the scuffed old sorcerer
>>98276801We went over this, it's true that it's not a traditional matchup but the TOW novel, Bret, TK and Renegade AJs have been building up the lore for Settra's armies to enter Athel Loren. Like it or not, it's absolutely been justified by the lore. Like come on, would you also have shat on GW back in 4th for setting up Grom's goblin waagh vs HElves storyline because goblins sailing to Ulthuan is not loreful?
>>98276801>High Elves vs BretonniaSome dumb damsel is meddling with a runestone.>High Elves vs Lizardmen Some tablet says the elves have to die.>Votann vs TauThey stumbled across some rare mineral and are fighting over it.
>>98276837It doesn’t matter what’s been set up, the justification is boring. There’s nothing the two factions have to provide for each other on a philosophical level that could warrant the two factions clashing with each other. Hell the armies both still lack a proper identity to begin with.
>>98276855death vs life isn't good enough for you?
>>98276855>on a philosophical levellife and deathtranshumanism by blending with naturetranshumanism by distancing from naturereforestation and desertification being lost in a timeless presentbeing lost in an undying past
>>98276808Maybe, I spoke in ignorance and I was definitely over simplifing. I know nothing of AoS. Between Warhammer orginal flavor and Warhammer cherry, Votann vs Tau is probably the least likely match-up excluding certain [Faction] vs [itself].I also forgot Custodes are a table top faction for some reason, so Custodes vs [non-admech] Imperium is a whole set that is worse than Tau vs Votann.I still think Votann vs Tau is hard to justify.>>98276822>>98276851bup bup bup Most factions in 40k and fantasy have Esoteric powers with absolute authority. "You can't prove the Old Ones wouldn't want the Lizard Men to decimate High Elves" is only a little bit better than justifying Custodes vs Deathwatch with the Emperor sending a psychic signal telling the Custodes to just do that and saying "You don't know the Emperors true plan"
>>98276895>justifying Custodes vs Deathwatch with the Emperor sending a psychic signal telling the Custodes to just do that and saying "You don't know the Emperors true plan"That's a perfectly valid reason for those two factions to fight.
>>98276895>I still think Votann vs Tau is hard to justify.How is it even slightly hard?They're two separate polities whose goals do not always align, that makes conflict easy.
>>98276792Goldmine for bits though>>98276799I would be very happy as a gloomspite player
>>98276895I think you just don't know shit, lizardmen can and do appear out of nowhere to do shit for arcane reasons.for example they once decided all of a sudden to attack a bretonnian colony because it happened to possess an artifact that belonged to them and which they needed to perform a ritual, except the bretonnia have had that artifact for a long time and the lizardmen knew they had it for a long time, and they knew they needed it for a ritual at a specific date, but decided to attack to get it only when it was time to retrieve it, not one year before.Similarly they 'let' the high elves squat on nodes of the geomantic web for the time being, but the moment the plan says they need to ritually cover the entire site in honey they'll march up to them, slaughter the elves, and cover the site in fucking honey without skipping a beat.Also I think you heard the wrong things about the votann, they're not allied to the tau, not even the one subgroup that the tau have encountered and know as the demiurgs is actually allied to the tau, they specifically reject absorption into the empire and just have good enough relations to trade, but otherwise the votann are aggressively expansionistic, practice piracy, and won't let morality get in the way of their profits and mineral acquisitions.the only hard matchups in 40k are imperials vs imperials and specifically well known and good imperial groups like say salamanders and ultramarines, because gw will never write one of them as being in the wrong or as intolerant and overzealous as the imperium should actually be.
>>98276747Empire and High Elves need rebuilding from the ground up, their entire Core selections are both complete ass.Elves can sort of get away with Sea Guard and Reavers but Empire is just fucked.
>>98276792This guy though... I wish I had that helmet.
>>98276863wood elves arent high fantasy enough to embody life like that, most of the time wood elves are more death related than they are about life depending on the edition. Really though all around they are about perseverance, and yes, there is a difference. Also tomb kings aren't wholly death which is probably why they are so unpopular, at least compared to vampire counts. the reason why the are all undead is because it ties to their religion but their religion isnt fleshed out at all, so it just places more emphasis on their (hollowed out) characters which just makes them seem weak. Also the trope has been done better before, by gw no less. >>98276875ngl senpai but aside from >being lost in a timeless presenttheres no sauce to any of these. nothing lasting anyways.
What would have (You) put in the Cathay and Chaos Battle March boxes?(up to 750ish points ofc)
>>98276969>and High Elvesyou can't genuinely argue that the plastic kits they got from 7th and 8th are close to being a priority
>>98276984not some fuck ass marauders ill tell you that. certainly not 4 (four)(( 1 2 3 4))(((cuatro))) chaos knights.
>>98274638Him riding a fully sick new Manticore sculpt?
>>98274638Inb4 they give him some dorghar bullshit
>>98274638They'll give him a tactical rock with some cathay bullshit idk.
>>98276984Up it to 1000 points per side and double the number of cavalry and core infantry in the box.
>>98276984Swamp marauders with 8x more warriors. 5 Chaos KnightsNew sorc sculpt10x new forsaken sculptCathay swap the iron hail with peasant archers
>>98276984Cathay is fine, I'd just slot in new Forsaken instead of marauders, since it's retarded they have no mini while being an EXTREMELY POPULAR unit in tournaments/competitive lists.
>>98276965>I think you just don't know shit, lizardmen can and do appear out of nowhere to do shit for arcane reasons. I know, I think it's lame. I think that despite knowing it happens. It only happens with Lizardmen and Tzeentch, but my point was it could happen to a lot of factions and you wouldn't like it if it happened to your faction, suddenly doing things because your factions esoteric authority told them too, but you can't desirn an actual reason why Sigmar/Ursun/whoever would want that. Just because Tzeentch and The Old Ones are poorly characterized previously doesn't mean they should continue to be.>>98276965>>98276922They are both small fish in a comedically large pond. They don't need to be offical allies to recognize every missle/plasma bolt/whatever fired at each-other is one *not* fired at the practically infinite waves of Orcs, Tyranids and Humans that constantly try to earase them from existence. The civilizations they are either smaller than, or relative to are the (non-harlequin) Eldar and the Necrons, and in a numerically equal fight those four stand head and shoulders above Votann and Tau.You also have the "geographical" problems of Wood Elves vs Tomb Kings. But Wood Elves are a very hostile faction that doesn't like to negotiate and Tomb Kings vary wildly. Meanwhile the Tau are the most reasonable faction in their setting, and the Votann are definitely on the podium.
>>98277085>you wouldn't like it if it happened to your factionmy faction is lizardmen, I do in fact like ityou shouldn't know why the unknowable things do things
>>98277085>They are both small fish in a comedically large pond.That's never stopped anyone from fighting, they wouldn't be in the large pond if they couldn't be aggressive towards small fish.
>>98277097The most recent Chinese Civil War had an intermission where the Chinas stopped shooting at each other and started shooting at the Japanese together, before all the Chinas that were still enough of a country to perform war got right back to deciding who was the real China.
>>98277085>They don't need to be offical allies to recognize every missle/plasma bolt/whatever fired at each-other is one *not* fired at the practically infinite waves of Orcs, Tyranids and Humans that constantly try to earase them from existence.That's hugely stupid. Suppose there's a thing that both factions want and no Orks, Tyranids or Humans around. Are you not going to employ your weaponry because they could in theory be used somewhere else? >Meanwhile the Tau are the most reasonable faction in their setting, and the Votann are definitely on the podium.The Tau have conquered numerous planets, and both are known to take what they want through force of arms.
>>98269863>https://gofile.io/d/fxFgXSThank you very much for sharing anons, my brother and I are going to pick up the new Core Set when it comes up and will hopefully enjoy TOW and maybe even return to WFB in the future.
Perhaps more of an /awg/ or /wip/ question, but are there any hobby stores in Paris interesting enough to merit stopping by? Currently visiting and I'm taking tomorrow off to do some shopping and such, but looking at the webstores of some of the bigger LGSs like Œuf Cube and Starplayer, it seems like they don't carry a particularly impressive breadth of ranges, and the prices aren't that attractive either. Is this one of those situations where they CBA to add all of their stock to the webstore because they rely on foot traffick so much? I remember an absolute gem of an LGS from back when I worked in Brussels that still sold 6th ed metal blisters and obscure historical ranges, but if you only knew about them from their web presence you'd think all they carried was the latest 40k and Magic. Or do those big 2 german online retailers really just completely mog any actual EU brick and mortar FLGS and I should continue ordering from there?For context I'm generally looking for stuff like non-citadel painting and crafting supplies, the newly discontinued Ogre ironguts or leadbelchers, various Reaper adventurer minis, Gripping Beast dark age stuff, that kind of thing.
>>98275589It’s going to take every ounce of my will to not consume and to wait for the chaos solo releases.
>>98276799I want a forest goblin subfaction, so spider rider refresh with some new bug monsters would be great. Just like I think an interesting new army would be Hobgoblin Khans that are able to take a few chaos dwarf artillery and a few ogre units like the Hunter, Yheti, gnoblar stuff, but otherwise have a whole new a new army list focused around mobile units. Make the forest goblins a subfaction of the Khans based in the vietnam area. That way its still all Cathay area like they seem to want to keep doing.
I'm not sure which armies to collectIf tomb kings got updated skeletons and maybe plastic ustabi, they'd be number one on my list
>>98275967>let me use my strong hand
>>98276141Looks great overall. Dabs on most of the older sculpts.
>>98276204>>98276225Based retard
>>98276721Was the VC skellies sprue not agnostic enough that you couldn’t glue the TK shields on them? I have some second hand VC Skellies and there’s quite a few of them that are just skeletons with a bandage/strip of cloth hanging on them.
>>98277193I would buy into hobgoblins so quickly
>>98277093I don't think the unknowable should be giving commands that amount to putting bannana peels under their own feet justified with "you don't why they would do that" reason Tzeentch is viewed as clown god only in shit stories
>>98277303>Was the VC skellies sprue not agnostic enough that you couldn’t glue the TK shields on them?Yeah I don't think soThey don't give you the impression that they're a well supplied, drilled army made undead
>>98277357>I don't think the unknowable should be giving commands that amount to putting bannana peels under their own feetthat's not what's happening
>Battlemarch boxes are just significantly worse deals than battalions Wow who could have predicted that? They feel even more awkward as a first time buy than if you bought them seperately too. It’s even worse if a monkey paw than I could have imagined.
>>98277415Surely it will depend on the price of those boxes?If the core set is £150 they can't justify any price above £80 for those Battle march boxes
>>98277153>Are you not going to employ your weaponry because they could in theory be used somewhere else? Opportunity cost is a thing. Conflicts have been avoided because weapons were being stockpiled for future conflict. The Soviet Union never destroyed the Finnish government in WWII because the Finish army was destroyed, and the forces nessicary to finish off the Finish were thought to be better served, bringing a swifter end to the Germany.In fact, Finland was guaranteed by the United Kingdom, under normal circumstances the Soviet Invasion in the Winter War would have been cause for war against the USSR, or at least support for Finland. However the looking threat of Germany at the time, stayed the U.K.s hand.I have more examples of conflict being avoided due to opportunity cost in WWII alone.>The Tau have conquered numerous planets, and both are known to take what they want through force of arms.So have the UK and the USSR, and the Tau are the relatable faction (most of the time). I'm not saying war is impossible, just hard because the leaders of the Votann and Tau should be asking questions like"What is the expected value of claiming [thing] compared to the men and materile that will be expensed""Is there a solution that gives us each part of what we want without the risk of walking away with less than nothing"This doesn't make war impossible, real nations do this all the time and decide on kinetic conflict. If you don't care about fluff it's no skin off your back and if you do it's an interesting challenge. Factions of Order (that aren't dwarfs) in fantasy have to do this too (unless you pull a deus ex machina). It's made worse for the Tau and the Votann because of simple geography and the forces of evil are more present and constant threat.
I’m not reading that. Someone give me a tldr
>>98277182I cant help you in regards to your question. Just stay safe amongst the monkeys. There was a recent category 5 chimp out.
>>98277437a tldr?Beastwomen's greasy tits nonconsensually entering your mouth.
>>98277415How about you wait until the prices are revealed to start dooming. Otherwise you sound retarded. I assume they will be priced between a spearhead and a combat patrol, at which price they will be very very good deal.
>>98277430>I'm not saying war is impossible, just hardNo, that's just you assuming everyone has perfect military intelligence and a shared sense of reason.The Tau are an expansionist empire driven by a sense of manifest destiny, the Votann are greedy super-capitalists who make a keep grudges easily. Those two traits produce an easily combustible situation.If you're keen on historical examples consider the USA vs the empire of Japan.
>>98277471No, fuck you. Battlemarch will be the bane of this games update.
>>98277472Of course existential threats don't always force cooperation, the rebeling Afghanistani forces had a civil war while at war with the USSR.>No, that's just you assuming everyone has perfect military intelligence and a shared sense of reason.If everyone was perfectly rational and had perfect knowledge every war would be objectively rational. Semi-rational people with limited knowledge make semi-rational descions within their frame of reference.Mostly, rational factions (Tau, Votann, Empire, Grand Cathy) are harder to make go to war than irrationally violent factions (Wood Elves, Skaven, Imperium, Tyranids).But NOT impossible, Imperial Japan and The United States of America were if not mostly rational, were at least somewhere in the semi-rational category, and they went to war. But it was hard to justify war as there was an extended period of peace and they didn't have to consider how war with each-other could effect their efforts to survive three hyper evil factions more powerful than the two of them combined.
>>98277430You really just have a strange lack of imagination.>The Tau and Votann are fighting over a crucial dilithium mine on a border planet.>After failed negotiations with an Imperial world, the Fire Caste have been tasked with assimilating the world via military force, the Imperial Governor has hired the Votann as mercenaries to help repel the invasion.>Things go sideways when a Kahl visits a new Tau trading port on the edge of frontier space, only to discover that the local Fire Caste commander killed his brother during a piracy suppression raid. He is honour-bound to take revenge. >The Votann super dementia AI demands that a Tau Ethereal be captured and brought before him for some unfathomable reason.>Earth Caste scientists have successfully petitioned the local Ethereal council to study the Votann's advanced AI, but the Votann will not hand over members of their kindred.>A joint task force between the Votann and the Tau are investigating a seemingly dormant Necron tombworld. The forces part ways to investigate areas of particular interest, but when the Votann fail to meet at the agreed rendezvous point thet Tau go searching, and discover the Votann have been enslaved via mind-shackle by a Necron Cryptek, and now work for him to awaken the tomb.
>>98277550>But it was hard to justify warIt wasn't. Japan needed oil, and America had an embargo. Japan attacked America, hoping that they'd roll over, but instead America decided to clap their cheeks. None of it is hard to justify. It all makes logical sense. >they didn't have to consider how war with each-other could effect their efforts to survive three hyper evil factions more powerful than the two of them combined.The Japanese were already at war when they attacked America, they needed oil to continue their other war efforts.
>>98277477Lmao seethe more retardkun. It’ll get a lot more people into TOW. Which is a good thing.
What are the cheapest armies and which are the most expensive armies?
>>98277665>. It’ll get a lot more people into TOW. Which is a good thing.idgaf, its not catering to me. In fact its ruining it by shifting battalion boxes. >>98277674>What are the cheapest armiesused to be warriors of chaos. Probably wont be anymore with the shrinkflation. >which are the most expensive armies?all of them if you arent 3d printing
>>98277611The Chinese United front was not an existential threat to the Empire of Japan. The strongest China was capitaled out of Chongqing. I am fairly certain that by 1941, there was no chinese government in control of coastal land in China. I have no idea how you compared a nation set reduced to mostly guerilla warefare to the Imperium of Man and the Tyranids and the Orks.>I think your accounting is innacurate, but the important core is correct, so I'll ignore it. Yes, in that moment in 1941, it made sense to go to war, but that doesn't prove justifying war is easy it just proves it is possible. There were decades of non-war between Japan and America, and war only happened once.In the moment, America and Japans descions were simple, but they were only put into the position where peace was not a rational option (to them), through years of context and subwar conflict.You can contrive a senerio where the Votann and Tau go to war for semi-rational reasons, but it requires context in a way that most faction conflicts don't.
>>98277697Any recs for 3D printing?I've seen Highlands Miniatures but their models are pretty awful
>>98277746Im not into 3d printing, I had a guy who could do it for me, but I no longer have that guy.
>>98277720>The Chinese United front was not an existential threat to the Empire of Japan.And at any given time there are no existential threats to the Tau or Votann given how space empires work. Not that it really matters, surely it would be a more pressing concern to get oil if the Chinese threat was existential? >that doesn't prove justifying war is easy it just proves it is possible.The justification was easy given the circumstances.>You can contrive a senerio where the Votann and Tau go to war for semi-rational reasons, but it requires context in a way that most faction conflicts don't.All the factions have context and reasons for going to war. For Tau and Votann you can just use the old fighting over resources excuse, many wars come down to just that.
>>98276984Simple, I replace Cathay with Ogres and then add>1 Ogre Butcher>no upgrades>4 Ogre Bulls>look out gnoblar + rest of the command options>iron fists>war banner>56 Gnoblar fighters + groinbiter>40 Gnoblar fighters + groinbiter>40 Gnoblar fighters + groinbiter>40 Gnoblar fighters + groinbiter>40 Gnoblar fighters + groinbiter750 points. You could sacrifice some of the Gnoblars if you wanted to kit out your Ogre Butcher, but that's cringe and retarded so don't do that.
>>98277765>The justification was easy given the circumstancesbut the circumstances weren't.>For Tau and Votann you can just use the old fighting over resources excuse>Not that it really matters, surely it would be a more pressing concern to get oil if the Chinese threat was existential? The Tau aren't horrifically resource poor like Japan was. For its size, population, and industrial capacity, the home islands of Japan are dirt poor when it comes to raw resources. The nations natural disadvantages allowed Japan to put itself into a comdeically desperate need for oil. It-I don't know what we are arguing about here, the major factions in 40k are playing flaming bumper cars in a warehouse filled with fireworks, but the fire works are wars. Tyranids, Chaos, Orks and the Imperium bump into each other and generate a chain of wars extending well beyond the initial incident. I don't know how Tau vs Votann isn't significantly hard to justify than any combination of the big four.
>>98276984whatever, the new ones seem fine. Aside from that fuckass Sorcerer.
>>98277193A khanate army that's mostly AoS Gitmob, new Ogors, and Chaos Dwarf kits would be pretty sweet
>>98277285Wait until the rest of the Battle March sets are revealed and then pick the one you like the best.
>>98277746Reptilian OverlordsAvatars of WarClaybeast CreationsLast Sword MiniaturesLost Kingdom MiniaturesBeholder MiniaturesCrab MiniaturesMonstrous Encounters
Thoughts?
>>98277830>but the circumstances weren't.What does that even mean? The circumstances were also entirely justified given the differing foreign policy aims of the two nations. >The Tau aren't horrifically resource poor like Japan was.It's a space fantasy setting, you have no idea what kind of resources would be available and/or what the Tau have or need and in what quantity. >I don't know what we are arguing about hereYou said conflict between Votann and Tau would be hard to justify. It's not. In fact it's very easy to justify.
>>98276984Honestly would leave both as-is except change the old sorcerer for the new one in the Chaos set.
>>98277285The rumor longer who leaked this reveal show content said new TK skeletons are on the way (no ushabti yet sadly)
>>98277866You just know she has a massive 6 inch cock that she’s going to regret losing when she finishes her transition. Man t-girls are so hot, especially the ones in the hobby. >>98277920Perry bros we stay winning. I think victrix also has some options too.
>>98277920The Perry one is clearly too big for the baggage train base in TOW. Anyone who buys that is just faxing their cash to hell
>>98277950>You just know she has a massive 6 inch cock lmao 6 is average for males and HRT knocks at least an inch off, girls with a dick bigger than 4 inches are rareYou're right about girls being hot tho.
>>98277950>massive 6 inch cock>6 inch>massiveHoly fuck, perrynigger is such a dicklet that he thinks 6 inches is massive. Not only is he annoying as fuck and off-topic 99% of the time but also reveals he has a micropenis.
>>98277959>girls with a dick bigger than 4 inches are rareIn fact, they don't exist, because girls don't have dicks.
>>98276580I think the last time was the Mordheim warlock
>>98276792desu the mutations on them always felt like they're the kind of thing more at home on a chaos cult for 40k, rather than for big beefy badass chaos warriors
>>98277936Fuck well I might buy a necrosphinx and tomb guard then. Or do you think they could get packaged with it?
>>98276452Chorf engies having a different look to either classic metal "average" chorfs or FW "elite" chorfs makes perfect sense
>>98277978Necrosphinx I think is slightly too expensive for BM so it won't be in, Tomb Guard are almost guaranteed I'd say.
>>98277950Kill yourself NOW
>>98277994Well would 30 tomb guard be too much?
>>98277951>NOOOOOO THAT THEMATIC OBJECTIVE IS NOT TOURNAMENT REGULATION SIZE!!!!!
>>98269863I just realized how fucking big the new model is. It’s giving the balloon a run for its money, this isn’t for me.
>>98278013Absolutely not, they do great at that number
>>98277951This one is $9
>>98278020If you're buying it off the shelf I question how thematic it really is.
>>98278055Tbh pretty much any Perry wagon would work, if you remove the limber, or aren't a twat any base sizes. One day I'll get their carrocio.
>>98278220God I love being Catholic
Do ogres have any relations with tzeentch
>>98278220this one feels like something i'd see in tilea's troubles
>>98278289He does use a lot of the Perry bros stuff. I think Biagino and the Arch-Lector are both Perry.
>>98278353biagino and arch lector are MED547 from casting room miniatures. he was my favourite character, RIP
>>98278370You might be right in Biagino. I was thinking this dude.
>>98277959>girlsNo
>>98278226yuck
>>98278269not specifically, no
>>98278289"Tilea's Troubles. Episode 928479234. "A post on a board".Luv' me that series.
I love Tilea as a setting, need moar Border Princes/Tilea WFRP content and WFB models. It's fun having a place that is canonically a chaotic war-torn shithole full of political strife and murder. The based part is it's not even that far off historically, there are just dragons and wizards on the battlefield. Estalia I could take or leave, since GW is too cowardly and pozzed to touch Araby or Lustria in any meaningful way.
>>98278664I concur.But I just love pikes.
>>98278602Hello rabbi
>>98278745ironic considering catholcucks are the most cucked of christians and paved the way for the modern golem states of america.
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>>98276646But if they did that, they wouldn't be reinforcing the idea that Dragonfuckers are the new Default Human Goodguys. It's 202026 anon, you can say whites are the protagonists anymore.
>>98278664I agree, but only if they keep the extremely over the top >Ehhhh, Pizza de Pasta its'a me, Mariostuff the region used to have in old fluff.
>>98275976faggot
>>98275976Oh cool a retard
>>98278749Says the circumcised proddy slave
>>98278269Tzeentch directed the Great Maw down instead of a regular meteor.
