Chaos vs Cathay Edition>Resources:WFB: https://pastebin.com/qVGrgwwhWM: https://pastebin.com/EsDAgebaWFRP: https://pastebin.com/inbyBsR6Novels: https://pastebin.com/PFqPDr0H>TOW:https://gofile.io/d/fxFgXShttps://www.warhammer-community.com/downloads/warhammer-the-old-world/>Warhammer Chronicles:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/0xt777 (dot) zip>Time of Legends:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/q46ut6 (dot) zip>The End Times:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/j7d0t5 (dot) zip>Alternative Models:https://pastebin.com/xPeM9szL>Previous Thread:>>98269863>Thread Question:Do you think these latest reveals will sell well?
>>98278869Box would have been so much better with a shugengan
>>98278872yeah, idk, a shugengan would have unbalanced the box like crazy, but the gate master is just such a wet fart of a character, he somehow looks less exciting than even regular jade lancers
>>98278869>TQYeah, I don't think it will be sell-out crazy like when TOW initially launched but I do think it's going to be a popular box. It helps that it's not Armageddon or Saturnine-priced im not sure what the point of the play mat is though
>>98278875I wouldn't go that far, just look at his mount, it looks amazing. Great banner as well. I just really don't need a second one.
>>98278878>It helps that it's not Armageddon or Saturnine-pricedIt looks surprisingly decently priced. By GW standards. Box sets have been retardedly expensive as of late.
What a lame ass TQ
>>98278878if it were Kislev with 20 Tsar Guard, 4 Bear riders, A gun sled and a Boyar on foot or bear it'd be sold out forever.
>>98278749This is the most retarded and "let me tell you about your country" Europoor post I've ever fucking read. Astoundingly ignorant and stupid.>>98278872I disagree, boxes like this are better when they have intermediate level characters, so you can buy multiple and actually put them to use. What would you do with two shugengan or two dragon lords, piss people off at your LGS and never play with them again?
>>98278889No one cares about the TQ. Useless "tradition"
>>98278895GW just need to hire some more Italians then, since those guys made an entire RPG setting of that called Brancolania
>>98278897Why is the Shugengan in the Battle march box then?
>>98278897Not my fault Catholics and universalism were globohomo before globohomo. Anyway no need to bring this into the new thread, dummy.
>>98278878I'm hoping there'll be some decent splits on ebay. I've no interest in the chinks but I'd love the warriors, the issue being that if everyone feels that way the ebayers will end up charging 2/3-3/4 of the box price for the Chaos and dump the Cathay stuff cheap.
>>98278898It generates some form of discussion in the general, but /wfg/ was always going to discuss the upcoming Core box no matter what
>>98278884the armor looks good but his pose is so stiff. the regular jade lancers have these thundering careening gallops and the gate master is just at a slow trot like the really old school cavalry leader models from the 90s and early 00s, and his weapon is very unimpressive as well. its just not something i want to spend money on. they did a much better job with the astromancer and the shugengan lord
>>98278914>slow trotWell he's commanding his forces
>>98278914The gate masters look like they belong in middle earth but the easterlings have far more sauce than cathay does in general so I may have to take that back.
>>98278878>im not sure what the point of the play mat is thoughpresentation while to us it is effectively a bundle for already existing boards and collections, gw thinks about these boxes more and more as potentially self sufficient games in a box.Really, the only thing missing for it to truly be that would be glue, paints and brushes.
>>98278895>>98278899>"Issa stupido to builda a wall iffa you ain' agonna hide behind it."—Giovanni Marmalodi, extract A Treatise for de Deliverance of Cities>"Whena you are defending a castillo, retreat issa not a worda you canna use. You still gotta capitulation, surrenda, submitta, yield, crappa da pantsa, be a doormat, wava the white flag..."— Marmalodi: Ibid, pp. 525-579 and appendix>"There issa' nothing lika da siege for da true spirit of war! When I sit inna' the camp, watching the enginesa' shooting de great big rocks at the walls, and smashing de place up, itta' warms my heart. You canna keppa' your battles and all that noisy cavalry boom-boom stuff. Give me a ballista and plenty of distance, and I show you howa a real manna' fights!"—Giovanni Marmalodi, extract from A Treatise for de Deliverance of Cities, pg. 509>"It issa mucha disputed as to what are da besta weapons fora making de siege. You gotta de stona throwers anna de bolt throwers, anna alla kinda cannons. Gunpowder is a greata invention. Iffa you can getta holda of a few mortars or bombards, you canna make de big holes in de walls. But you gotta have de right ammunition. So a stona thrower canna be justa as good. For ammunition, you can digga uppa de rocks 'an de stones, our use de big balls, or you can shoot dayd peoples over the wall to make the place stink. You canna even maka de spaghetti and shoota dat, or de razor-edged pizza."—Giovanni Marmalodi, extract A Treatise for de Deliverance of Cities, pg 822>"You can'ta just ignore a castillo. De men insida might be naughty fellows and attacka you once you marcha by. De smarta-alek words for dis is dat dey remain a treat to communications. Dis is right. Anda iffa you don't get the letters from home, howa you gonna know how your mama is?"—Giovanni Marmalodi, Ibid, pg. 109
>>98278914i think it might be a problem with the format of the Banner Bearer foot and mounted boxYou tend to get rather static models
>>98278924easterlings look like ass. fucking masterlock on their shields and their helmets all making suprised pikachu face
>>98278933>the only thing missing for it to truly be that would be glue, paints and brushes.GW expect TOW/HH/Necromunda players to already have all of that.Straight up new players are intended to go to 40k or AoS, that's why those games have intro sets or paint and model sets
>>98278937Somehow never noticed the scorpion banner before. That's really neat.
>>98278944nah, shit taste m8. cathay looks something straight out of the most generic comic book.
>>98278937>steel weaponsI hate this even if nehekharans would probably have had access to it.
Any recs for 3D printed tree kin, dryads and treemen?How terrible are they in reality? I mean will I hate myself for playing with them?
>>98278952if you're going to defend those dog ass middle earth slop models i have absolutely nothing to worry about from anything you could say about my taste. i dont take criticism from retardium huffing contrarians
>>98278960>calling lotr slop in any metricYou should be ashamed. I hope mao pays you well, I know that micro penis isnt.
>>98278958are you shying away from the existing plastics for a particular design reason?because highlands miniatures is more or less a gold standard when it comes to 3d proxies with sculpts that aren't too flimsy or overdesigned and that match GW's style, but since it matches gw's style then you might not like them if you already don't like gw's dryads, and the plastic kurnouth hunters and treelord
>>98278954Since these guys are at minimum tomb priests or tomb heralds, you could headcanon them using meteorite iron, which is something the IRL Egyptian did do
>>98278983What existing plastics are you talking about?I just want to avoid the metal models
Oh shit I just found the treemanFuck I just put an order for 2 of them, hope I don't regret thisI love using treemen, both as lords and units, in total war
>>98278992Faggot. Coward. Buy a fucking $8 pin vise and some paperclips
>>98278878Wonder if not china got shoved in the box because they didn’t move as much as GW wanted so it’s a off load move or if it’s just because they are the only other modern range so they had to be paired with warriors of chaos?
>>98279098It’s likely both.
>>98279098Cathay apparently sold really well so I don't think it's the first one
>>98279098It's the latter. No one wants shit from 2005, the new stuff is selling well.
>>98279103Then where are its new units in the starter?
>>98278992sylvaneth
They have most of the Cathay models wearing plumes on their helmets yet the gunner teams and shugengan lord have long flowing natural hair? It looks terrible This model is just fucking shit as wellI've studied classical chinese for 2 years, have read romance of the three kingdoms and water margin, watched the 1994 and 2010 ROTK adaptation twice each and I am also half Chinese, I should be the perfect target audience for these guys yet I hate them
>>98279098>it’s just because they are the only other modern rangeit's thishonestly they should have launched with kislev so the start box would be about pragg
>>98279098Definitely the latter, it's the only totally modern range that TOW has to offer; I think the Cathay models are nice but they're a little too specific to be a first choice for a launch box otherwise.
>>98279118What the fuck are these? they look terrible
>>98279118Because plumes and top knots help making the kits and bits modular and posable while the gunners are monopose.>hapalmao
>>98279108Does Cathay have any meaningful gaps in its range? I don’t really care about the faction, but from what I know of them the only thing they are missing are mostly flavor units and not needed backbone units.
>>98279131An actually elite range, upgrade kits would have been the perfect opportunity and the BARE FUCKING MINIMUM to do for a space marine selling faction like Cathay is supposed to be. Where are the crossbows, where is the decoration to make them a celestial bodyguards, etc etc. same for the horsemen.
>>98279143>An actually elite range,But that's really something you can have in a starter set for a game
>>98279151>jade warriors versus chaos warriors
>>98278869Can someone help a 40tard get a tl;dr of fantasy?Is it move-shoot-charge-melee(add in magic anytime they can be used) with 2d6 for charge distance, and take LD checks after 50% loss and/or losing more wounds in a melee?All I remember is playing someone lizardmen, charging, doing nothing, getting unhurt in return, somehow losing to make a LD check and they all run, and he succeeds in scattering them with another roll. Making me dislike the game because nothing happened and I lost dudes to a bad LD roll.Is it the same and, is it better these days in comparison? IIRC it may have been 4th or so edition of fantasy. (Back when 40k was in 3rd edition)>image to be relevant
>>98279131with the last wave they got basic chaff, ranged infantry and a wizard on foot, which were pretty much the stuff whose absence was significant.technically they're still missing a light cavalry or some kind of skirmishing scout unit, and a hardier elite anvil infantry unit, I'd say, but for that kind of things I think they get away with special upgrades on the paesants and jade warriors.for the range to be considered truly complete I'd say they need a second dragon character with zhao ming, either ogres or tigermen as bulkier infantry unit, a smaller non-hero monster with the lion statue, and a force multiplier with a war drum/compass kit.
>>98279158those are both Core choices
>>98279163>picl-lewd
>>98279173Tows definition of core is retarded so not a valid argument.
>>98279158Tbf unless theyve updated them Chaos Warriors arent great.
>>98279179Oh yeah I kinda forgot about that. Well I guess you have a point there. Still it’s pretty lazy to not introduce an upgrade sprue with this set. Especially if warriors aren’t really allowed to have options with their current sprue.
>>98279143Not sure if upgrade sets would sale anyone on the Cathay half of the box especially if it was more expensive overall because of the added “value” 40K space marine boxes get shit on pretty frequently when they include upgrade frames and decals sheets to justify why two infantry squads and a character should be 170 USD.
>>98279118You can very, very easily put a Jade Warrior helm on the shugengan and then use the topknot as an extra long plume if you like. You could do the same with the gunner teams and the peasant heads. Headswaps are the most braindead easy fix ever, I wish Bretonnia's plastic dogshit was so easy a fix. Bretonnian peasant plastics are only suitable for a Mousillon army, and Bretonnian knight plastics are only suitable for sprue goo.
>>98279191Then cut out the templates and dice and shit. I don’t need dollar store material that I already have. You want to sell battlemarch then sell it for its customization, otherwise in its current presentation it’s no more worth playing than combat patrol. The sets are already shrinkflated from battalions.
>>98279118Use the helmeted version then?
>>98279209That helmet option looks pretty bad imo
>>98279233Which one is the woman variant
Looks kind of cool in the artwork but not good on the miniature
>>98279205GW puts a pretty penny on their stupid little upgrade sets my man. You could take the whole rule book out along side the dice and templates and with GW’s math adding just two or three upgrade sets and they are justified to actually ask more for it. You want a box with upgrades you better start giving up entire untis from the box if you don’t want something pushing saturnine prices
>>98279163No. We're all busy.There are youtube videos that will give a broader breakdown, the abridged rules are free and the full rules are ((((free))) if you check the OP.
>>98279237I believe both are, you need to get your male head from another kit.They added a male and female option for the animal though, there's an alternative head with smaller horns.
>>98279242Holy kek, I was going to say GW's female face sculpting is beyond redemption but it's more likely to be the painting, people have performed miracles on the sisters of battle before.
>>98279233Snip the stupid crest off of it and use the topknot as a plume
>>98279254My foid has promised to paint my female faces for me and basically use IRL subtle makeup techniques on them. I don't want them looking like makeup shotgun Napoleonic whores.
How are the treeman kits? They seem to be posable? Do they come with decent bits?
>>98279270Look at them yourself you stupid naggerhttps://www.warhammer.com/en-GB/shop/wood-elf-realms-treeman-2025
>>98279275I've never built a warhammer kit in my life so I don't know if it's good or bad based on the sprue
>>98279120The Old World’s timeline and GW’s apparent total lack of interest in actually sticking to it is pretty amusing. >Set the game during a very specific period and insist it’s just a “creative choice,” >Totally nothing to do with AoS already cannibalizing half the factions for its own setting.>So a bunch of major characters and factions are conveniently absent. >I guess those perfectly good molds just weren’t worth printing money with.>The chosen era is one where Chaos is only just beginning to stir. The biggest threats are seasonal chaos raids, beastmen doing beastmen shit, and the occasional greenskin incursion. >Meanwhile, the Empire is in a semi civil war with three different self-proclaimed emperors.>Except Chaos is also somehow raising massive armies and launching huge invasions. >So massive, in fact, that Cathay has decided to send a full army along with what amounts to its head of state to help the Empire fight them.>But heaven forbid we actually commit to one of the big, well-known Chaos invasions. >Nah, we’ve got so much nothing to do with the narrative first.At this point Old World could have just been an alternative timeline that diverged at pretty much any point before the end times and it would be as meaningful of a change.
>>98279143>where is the decoration to make them a celestial bodyguardsI don't think headswaps are enough to make them look the part, they will keep looking like jade warriors as long as they have the gorgets
>>98279282I think it’s a fun kit.
>>98279267lol getting a girl to do it instead of learning youself
>>98279282NTA, but if you are totally new to this I definitely wouldn’t start with a relatively big metal mini like that. If you want a tree man picrel was the metal minis successor sculpt in plastic and can still be found in the AoS in the syvaneth range.Model wise GW has minis all the way back to their late 90s at least in production so the quality sculpt and build wise is all over the place and not even particularly linear since a lot of modern kits are annoying to build because of dumb design ideas, but look great.
>>98278869I like big blocks of minis slogging it out with one-another. Scale creep and having large minis so common place ruins this.
>>98279295Man, I really don't like Cathay.
>>98279267>>98279308I don't doubt she knows the theory but applying that theory to a 1:50 head is a different can of worms.I think we have to lock in and learn makeup skills bros... at the very least just don't emphasise a huge scrunched forehead and nasolabial folds as deep as the mariana trench and you'll already be doing better than the 'eavy metal team.
>>98279267I did think it was really funny how similar a lot of makeup and mini painting techniques are. It makes complete sense of course, but still.
>>98279327Me neither, thank god my faction doesn't like them either.
>>98278903Those Battle March sets are clearly conceived as the next step after you get the starter.
>>98279098I'm guessing you're new to Warhammer, because Cathay was very hard to get a hold of for a couple months after release. If there's one thing we can be pretty sure sold well for TOW, it's Cathay.
>>98279267I mean when people say you should use makeup techniques for mini faces, they don't usually mean painting lipstick and eyeshadow. It's about using highlighting and contouring to create the illusion of angles and shadows where there are none, changing how your perceive the face.
>>98279406>because Cathay was very hard to get a hold of for a couple months after releaseLmao no it was not. By the time Miao yings wave came by the battalions were fully restocked. The statues had trouble being kept in stock but even the meta balloons were free to purchase.
>>98279406To be fair the second wave with peasants seems to have done a lot worse, though all the shit they put in the starter set is wave 1 anyway
>comes with like, 7 less models than armageddon>comes with a full hardback rulebook>minis are also pretty much brand new>costs £35 lessyou cannot convince me that they dont charge more for 40k just because its 40k
>>98279419>comes with like, 7 less models than armageddonDoes it actually? I can’t help but feel both sides barely feel like a 1/10 of ann army for the tow starter set. Though I guess the 40k box is littered with heros.
>>98279419There aren't any big minis like the land speeder or the Ork Walker so that probably impacted the price
>>98279422armageddon has 61 models, 23 space marines, 38 orksnew old world box has 54 models, 32 cathay and 22 warriors of chaos
>>98279433Models do not really matter. How many individual sprues is it per box?
>>98279433I need to get my eyes checked because it feels like there’s more girth for space marines than it does for both sides of the box, and I don’t even like primaris marines.
>>98279442the promo photoshoots for armageddon put both sides quite close to each other, and the models are spaced apart, so because it's all one big "clump" of models it looks like it's bigger than it actually is
>like chaos warriors>like cathay>want to get into TOWthis is the set for meLooks like it's going up for preorder on Saturday. Do we know how much it will cost?
>>98279419counting it by models is rather daft. my main complaint would be the inclusion of horsemen into starter sets over the years.
>>98279459The rumour is 150£/190€
>>98279459£150€190don't know the US $ however
>>98279419TOW is always a bit cheaper per model but we also use more models in our armies.
>>98279465>>98279466Well that's not too bad I guess. GW is fucking draining me between this, armageddon, and exodites.
>>98279472With Gayos you can go pretty elite running things as chosen, giving them marks/dark gifts etc
>>98279476You have to be into findom to be a GW customer
>>98279483I suppose yeah, they're a bit of an exception, but my point is just that comparing cost per model between different games doesn't really work.
>>98279419>you cannot convince me that they dont charge more for 40k just because its 40kMarinepig tax
>>98278878>have to buy some chinks or wait 4 months for a standalone chaos boxgod damn you, james
>>98279525eBay.
>>98279524I mean, $60 for a box of 5 aspect warriors or 3 jetbikes is pretty bullshit too
>>98278869Is it possible GW is assuming Cathay are more popular than they are because the Sinoboos went out and bought the new releases in a short span of time and there weren't older collections floating around to scoop up on Ebay? I just feel like if they'd had new High Elf or Empire sculpts it would been very iconic. >>98279524I should really make one of these for the types of Necromunda players I hate.
>>98279554Those really bring back memories. The starter sets had such great value and were a great selection of models. I dredged up my old box of High Elves from Island of Blood and were painting them. These models are pretty danged detailed for a starter set, I would've made done such a shit paintjob when I was younger if I tried.
Why weren't Skaven a launch faction?They had new AOS scultps all GW needs to do is resize them a bit to fit svale better (if even that can just plop them on TOW bases)
>>98279568>Why weren't Skaven a launch faction?Because AoS has them, you'll never get them in tow.
>>98279568Why go through all that effort when people that like Skaven will just buy the AoS models as they are?
>>98279530Eldar/Tau/Necron players have brains and thus are much more likely to get recasts, a big reason why other Xenos sell like shit compared to the Nid/Ork duumverate. Obviously they're also just less popular.
>>98279568There's no scale difference.
>>98279284The whole thing reeks of seethe that people liked the WHFB setting more than AoS setting.
>>98279594There are plenty of recasts and prints for orks and nids, way more than for necrons and eldar, they just sell more because they're a more popular concepts, no need for mental gymnastics.
>>98279594cute ayyyy eyes
>>98279554>older collections floating around to scoop up on EbayYup, did this as soon as I could. I more or less mopped up the last of the 5e Bretonnia stuff. Big clusters of classic infantry are nonexistent, and you can't find a classic Questing Knight for under $200 these days.>inb4The ones with lances, pre-6e lore.
>>98279284There's a simple reason why they haven't done any actually important shit with the old world timeline yet: you don't waste your big pivotal events with the old and busted models and without significant model releases, so all this time they've been selling the old kits and a pair of literal who resin characters in unimportant narrative battles was just filler for the "beta" of tow.Only now that they've definitely proven to the suits at gw that the project sells and can grow they're picking up steam on the realase waves, and will eventually reach the moment where TOW can actually have its triumphant narrative beats with associated fresh models, and it's inevitable that they do that, they have not redesigned chaos warriors around the design cues of adrian smith's artworks for engra and asavar for nothing.
>>98279633Has Horus heresy done anything with its narrative since its inception
>>98279613It is very, very easy to find Eldar 'casts. Necrons not so much. Tau stuff is mostly limited to the characters and big FW things like the $2100 fish ship.
>>98279636HH doesn't need to do anything since it has the space marine buff to sales
>>98279611Who would be seething? All the people involved in aos' creation left long before that.
>>98279636Horus heresy had its narrative already laid out in unnecessary depth, but the model releases, especially the plastic ones, have followed pretty major moments every time; the burning of propsero, the betrayal at calth, the dropsite massacre
>>98279554>I should really make one of these for the types of Necromunda players I hate.do it, what would even be put on it?
>>982796362.0 had some pretty good new campaigns like Cthonia & Beta Garmon- they weren't on the level of the black books but they were easily a solid 8 out of 10 that felt like they were building towards Siege because they were the last few big campaigns. Now in 3.0 they've devolved into retreading campaigns from the start of the Heresy the black books have already done better, with a pitiful 20ish pages of narrative shit, and Siege of Terra never apparently because they'll just be recycling old battles the next edition and a half at least. Sucks ToW basically gets the same treatment with Arcane Journals because they are fucking garbage, but it stings a hell of a lot less because whf's narrative was always a clusterfuck with so much random shit going on at the same time, rather than a focused central narrative like Heresy has.
>>98278903Probably to pair with the core set like the other anon said
>>98278869>Local event next weekend>It's 2kWhy the fuck do people still arbitrarily copy 40k's point limit for events? This game is clearly meant to be played at 2.5k and playing with 4/5 of an army is miserable for some factions.
>>98279696I remember when fantasy was played at 2000pts and 40k at 1500ptsit was tourneyfags who pushed for 2400pts and beyond
>>98278869>ebay 'scalpers'I wonder what the warriors of chaos will go for, because I can't wait to convert them into space marines. They must be fucking huge since they keep upscaling shit for everything lately.
>>98279527i would guess you won't get many on eBay with just WoCCathay will be way more common
>>98279723It's a r&f wargame not a r&f skirmish game- everyone wants to play with the point value that makes it feel like an ACTUAL ARMY. The only reason people played with low points back in the day was because painting's a bitch & armies were hard to put together- now that shit is easier than ever.
Do you think TOW will get it's very own Mordheim equivalent? Doesn't even have to be set in a city can just be a flexible Skirmish game. So we get unique sculpts like 40K gets Kill Team stuff that can also be played in main game, these here don't have to be new units like in KT just new sculpts for existing stuff.
>>98279773Maybe to the game mode, definitely no for the new sculpts.
>>98279773>it'sits*And no, the Mordheim community is alive and well as it is. It's model agnostic, but you can find the actual classic metals for reasonable prices on ebay. I'm also using the Mordheim warlock as an Outcast Wizard. There's nothing stopping you from doing so, too.
I managed to fight a 1000 point battle with my Khorne Chaos agaibst Dwarfs. For a change, I fielded a new general over Korgoth and his Daemonic Mount.Malagor the Dread, Exalted champion of Khorne and his loyal and deadly guards of Chaos Chosen. The Dwarf King lead a unit of Hammerers and was followed by a Thane with the explosive ranged rune (2 shots, 2d3 hits per hit) with Thunderers, Longbeards and Rangers. It was refreshing to say the least and we played a very standard Open Battle. The Chaos received the first turn. Blood was to be spilled.
>>98279329I actually dont like the left, it looks like its trying to be animeWomen without makeup, surprise surpise look somewhat more plain
My local wfb social media group is getting a post every hour or so from people trying to offload the cathay side of the box and I've only seen 1 succeed so far.
>>98279832Isn't the cathay side all existing models?anyone who wanted a cathay army would have them already
>>98279797The battle devolved rapidly with the Dwarfs gunning down the hounds. One unit was wiped, the other broke and ran. The Chosen Knights attempted to charge the Thunderers but flubbed the charge but took a volley, losing only one.Similarly, the Thunderer and Thane blasted Malagor and his Chosen, killing only one!The regular Knights wiped out the Rangers and attempted to flank up the left.The Marauders and Knights crashed into the Thunderers, wjo held after receiving terrible losses. The Hammerers after pursuing the hounds, rammed/overran into the chosen knights!The Chosen Knights were torn limb from limb, skulls bludgeoned by the king and his bodyguard, who reformed and crashed into the marauders!Malagor and his guard charged into the Longbeards and went to work, ripping them limb from limb. However, the Longbeards miraculously held, suffering terribly but refusing to budge, the sight of their king emboldening them.
>>98279838The previous box was definitely superior for Cathay. I'm sure there's some latecomers but no way did 90% of Cathay fans miss their initial introduction
>>98279842The Marauders and knights were forced to FBIGO but not before skewering the gun Thane on a lance. The hammerers caught the knights and the thunderers the marauders.The Chosen and Malagor had cut down the Longbeards to a man but still refused to flee! Inversely, the Knights were crushed, with the King reforming with his hammerers to slam into the Chosen. The Chosen finally killed the Longbeards, only to overrun and fail to reform! However, the most epic fight was in the middle. One Marauder and one thunderer squared off, neither able to deliver the killing blow. After 3 sequences of combat, we came to the conclusion they abandoned their weapons and were wrestling in the mud!Malagor reformed his chosen and received the charge from the hammerers. A ferocious combat ensued, with tje King and Malagor duelling. Malagor managed to wound the king, his armour wittholding any strikes from the dwarf king.The Chosen were pressed against the very edge of the table. After losing combat, i rolled and...gave ground. 1" from being forced off the table.Game ended in a draw. Was very happy with how hard Chosen on foot were and using the Exalted Champion. That said, I hope to bolster my chaos army with the new releases.
>>98279284Miao isn’t the head of state she’s the head of the Northern Provinces. She’s a regional ruler, the head is the Dragon Emperor, then Moon Empress, then whatever dragon child rules over the region in question. She’s like a Governor of an American state.
>>98279414Yeah…two months later when she released. Get your timeline straight.
>>98280010>the head is the Dragon Emperor, then Moon Empress,who are currently missing from Cathay for some reason
>>98279805>attractive women can only exist in animeI almost pity you
>>98280010Isn't Cathay in a semi-permanent Warring States era with the dragon primarchs constantly squabbling? And they have the Tzeentch cults, Ogres, Skaven, and mystery Wukong god(?) constantly fucking with them. Noblebright my ayass
>>98279773I could see it happening pretty easily, but I would also expect it to be a pretty cynical cash grab system that launches intentionally DOA snd exist just to move models since that is basically all Warhammer quest dark tide and several other game systems before it have been. I would also assume if they ever wanted to introduce little odd ball units and one off sculpts they kind of just can with journal releases or just decide to release some thing and just give it PDF rules to download.
>>98280063Whom actually makes anime figures at 1/56 scale?
>>98280093Kinda. But dragon blood is a good excuse as any to have your characters air juggle people and summon lightning with fans.
>>98280093No, there's no disharmony in grand cathay.
>>98280133There are some people at hobby conventions in japan who make and sell them. Licensed characters are quite rare but original characters are much more common.
>>98280143at least post the image
Do we know the prices of these yet? Core set seems tempting but this plus separate chaos champions might be a better deal
>>98280253How much is a spearhead box, $145?Probably more than that, either $150 or $160.
>>98280253Well those individual boxes aren't coming out for a while now sooooo
>>98280267I can wait since the core set will not be FOMO apparently
>>98280250There are two of them and I don't have the uglier one on me, which I would prefer if I were to post one.
>>98280093>And they have the Tzeentch cults, Ogres, Skaven, and mystery Wukong god(?) constantly fucking with them>Noblebright my ayassI don't really know what being besieged by forces of, if not ontological evil, as close as possible has to do with how noble bright you are.
>>98279314What a bum bum.
>>98280253>>98280265I assume it’ll be between a combat patrol and a Spearhead. Probably a combat patrol price wise considering how much you get in terms of kits. Looks like it’s 2.5 „ full price „ kits plus the character for chaos, and 2 kits plus the shugengen for Cathay. I’m going to guess around combat patrol price as then you’re getting the shugengen for free or .5 kits and the sorcerer for free. If it’s cheaper than a combat patrol then the deal is really good.
>>98280280Chaos Warriors aren't even that evil until an Everchosen or a particularly powerful daemon shows up to lead them on near-world-destroying campaigns. Your average warband is no worse than IRL Vikings or Mongols were.
>>98280253The Cathay kits on their own are like £140 so i would guess it will be £100 or so
anyone know what kit this head comes from?
>>98278869I'm not into cathay so I've just realised I haven't even looked at their side of this picture yet. No infantry units larger than 10 models in a core set is pretty lacklustre.I like that the armies are arranged like an old WD photo though.
>>98280265I think they used to be 145 but got price hiked to 150
>>98280327Might as well get the core set at that point then. If not both.
>>98280312Bro I love Chaos Warriors as much as the next guy but they are far more than"not that evil" beyond Everchosen stuff.>maim, kill, burn for Khorne>atrocities for Slaanesh>spread disease ala biological warfare>subverting shit hard for tzeentchVikings and mongols fought for resources and necessity. Chaos Warriors do it to feed their evil gods.
>>98279878Thank you for the battle report, anon. Running fighty characters on foot with a retinue of infantry is always a lot of fun. I wish that was a viable choice in larger games. Nevertheless, I'm glad you had fun.
>>98280332Shadow Warriors/Sisters of Avelorn
>>98280355While I agree, aren't you basically borderline batshit insane by the time you become a chaos warrior?
>>98280333Combine the units, then. You have the ability to do that, anon. Run one unit of 20 cathay mongrels or 16 chaos warriors.
>>98280357thanks
>>98278935You could just Marmaoldi ibid all of those after the first one
Did they at any point mention if sprues for chaos warriors have halberd and GW options? I would assume so, given that it appears there will be half the model count compared to 6e ones, but who knows.
>>98280253290 canuck bucks, apparently.
>>98280355>maim, kill, burn>mass rape and torture>biological warfare>subversion and political intrigueYou're right, no army has ever done any of this before
>>98280312>Warriors of Chaos aren't that evil>Murder, steal, rape, enslave and sacrifice others in the name of evil gods so they can become more poweful to commit more atrocitiesThey aren't the same, Mongols made empires and built things like farms and mines and kept the areas civilized even as they committed atrocities.Chaos worshipers are all parasites and places like Norsca and The Eastern Steppes, are in a self futilling prophecy of the Chaos gods draining their civilization of all function and the desperate people in a collapsed state are forced to chaos from desperation.
>>98280360Its a very fine line. Batshit insane like a gibbering braindead idiot? No. They fight as preficiently as the best of mortal warriors, even immortal. They are heavily brainwashed by going all in on their new life of Chaos and yes some go proper crazy. But they still have some sanity in them, if only their martial pride and focus.Could take up a whole thread, but you find the weaker followers of Chaos who rapidly slip in their sanity. In contrast the strongest excel. Sigvald is downright articulate. Arbaal loves killing but is also coherent and a martial genius. >>98280356Thanks man. Ah ya, but im not fighting top of table stuff. Bloody loved seeing my Chosen push through the stupid gun thane and rip those lomgbeards apart.
>>98280380What is this in real money? 150?
>>98280370>Did they at any point mention if sprues for Chaos Warriors have halberd and GW options?They have not, and no model photos have shown any
>>98280253I'm just going to assume the worst-case scenario is the same Battalion Box pricing for less models, or the higher end of Combat Patrol/Force boxes.
>>98280388like 200-210 USD
>>98280380Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck leafbros we're so screwed>>98280388Shave off 30% to get a rough idea
>>98280388150 is the price of the core set, so those Battle March boxes have to be cheaper than that
>>98280382Other armies absolutely have done that. I mean just in the statement of "not that evil" is a gross understatement. Every evil army is evil, but Chaos is absolutely above average evil.
>>98280365Someatimes ibid, butta someatimes I no bid.
>>98279766If they actually wanted to feel like they were commanding an ACTUAL ARMY they'd be playing Warmaster.People played with "low" points because that's the amount of points the game was designed to work around, and the idea that only forces of literally FIVE GORILLION MEN ever fought in formation is retarded post-hoc bullshit bandied about by paypigfaggots who just wanted to put more of their unnecessary purchases on the table at once(because they're all to fucking autistic to collect more than one army).
>>98280388Oh, no, sorry, 290 was for the core set, not the battle march ones.
>>98280387They basically have the same rules as Space Marines. Some are batshit insane but so martially skilled it doesn't matter (Khorne), but most are just very skilled and disciplined warriors.
>>98279461>my main complaint would be the inclusion of horsemen into starter sets over the years.Really now? It honestly makes sense to me.>Starter box>Infantry>hero>Cav.Even ranged units feel more optional.
>>98280399What are we thinking in terms of timelines for the battle march boxes?Months? Weeks?
>>98280435August at the eailerist I would guess.
>>98280363I get what you're saying but 1(one) infantry unit in a core set army for the rank'n'flank wargame ain't it either
>>98280401>Every evil army is evil, but Chaos is absolutely above average evil.I would put them just below Skaven. They lack the genuine stupidity of Orks or the genuine emotions some vampires feel. But they aren't quite on the level of self serving evil trash that are the Skaven. Not sure how they compare to Dark Elves though.
>>98280450>>American and British armies raped and killed civilians and PoWs an amount of times>>So they were EXACTLY the same morally as the German and Italian armies who also raped and killed civilians and PoWs an amount of timesYes. There is no moralfagging in war. You win or you lose.
>>98280450>moralitymade up
>>98280391Might be a jade warrior situation where they'll obviously get crossbows at some point but it takes an oddly long time
>>98280475Yeah why the fuck are jade warriors with crossbows taking this long? We've known of Cathayan crossbowmen far longer than DW shotgun dudes and they're nowhere to be seen.
>>98280391Yeah, the pics don't even show 2handed options, which is a tad concerning. but if so then what do the sprues house even? Marauders are pretty dense and good with their options.
>>98280475Jade Warriors don't have crossbows in the rules for TOW but Chaos Warriors do have rules for Halberds and great weapons
>>98280419More or less yes. But you have to have a certain check of sanity to continue as a Chaos Warrior / Chosen. Stupid evil and full insanity is for spawndom fodder, cultists, forsaken or marauders. Yes there are looney Chaos Warriors, but their "bottom line" is far higher than the cultist tier insanity.>>98280449Skaven are self serving, selfish psychotic evil. Malicious? Yes, but out of desperation. Like thinking of our worst modern societies and pump it up by 100. Chaos do it with intellectual/religious intent, why I put them as more evil than Skave. There is intent and brains behind it, not desperate survivalism.Dark Elves might take it, but they're also the biggest cunts. Pic related depicts Orcs, Chaos and Dark Elf views. Dark Elves are by far the most treacherous and evil, to the point it borderlines parody.Everyone betrays each other. Ironically the orcs don't have a betrayal and Chaos, outside the sorcerer, are quite honourable, if bickering >>98280450This is Warhammer anon, not RL.
>>98280485NTA but by the faggot-ass UN's own definition, yes. Are you done derailing yet?
>>98280391Do we know how many are in a box and what it costs yet?
>>98280495>boohoo!
>>98280499Almost all plastic non-character TOW boxes are £54.50, so I would expect that to be the same for the new Chaos WarriorsJade Warriors came in boxes of twenty, so I would again expect the same for the Chaos Warriors
>>98280380290 CAD for the core set, we don’t know battle march prices
>>98280502New kits are usually $90 for 20.As they only show 2 sets of 8, I'm guessing they'll be $90+ for 16.
>>98280499>how many are in a boxi count 16>How much it costsI'd assume $90 like other infantry boxes, maybe $70 for the Knights. Could be less since that'd be >$15 per model.
>>98280446>AugustI certainly hope it's that quick.
I can't wait for the Bretonnian plastic refresh with their battle march box
>>98280520I think TK and Wood elves will be next if we go by rumours
>>98280515Man, elf women have me replying unwisely. It's for >>98280
>>98280522I guess I can wait a little bit after all
>>98280449Dark Elves are horrifying, but their bullshit generally makes sense within the context of it’s usually related to what is functionally an ongoing civil war which is clearly their top concern. They are still evil awful fuckers, but it has the context of their conflict with the high evils. If you want a scale of like 1 being evil when necessary and 10 being beast men and skaven tier of a species that deserves to be extinct dark elves hover around like a 5 and occasionally cross into a 7
>>98280494>This is warhammer not IRLand the chaos gods are all substantially more evil than Hitler.
>>9828049916 chaos warriors in a box for the same price as all the other infantry kit boxes in your region, $90 if American
Reminder that Chaos are the true poster boys of Warhammer fantasy and the equivalent of Space marines.
>>98280534Dark Elves have sexy women so it's ok!
>>98280450https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjbsD-TYi3s
>>98280555As was said by I forget which oldhead GW Unc, space marines are the chaos warriors of 40k
>>98278869Hang on, the chaos horses have bigger bases than the already 30x60 cathayan horses, and the chaos warriors look to be in a similar frontage. Just how fucking big is GW going to keep making base sizes?
>>98280573The Chaos Knights seem to be on the same bases as the Jade Lancers but the Chaos Champion is on a Demonic mount, which is on a bigger base in the Raging Hordes list
>>98280559Stop lusting after evil women!
>>98280590Ravening Hordes list*
>>98280559Sexy women debauched enough they may actually fuck you, unlike the high and wood elves.
Is the updated core book and new starter a sign that we shouldn't expect a 2nd edition any time in the next couple years?
>>98280596Make me.
>>98280590it looks like it'd fit on a 30x60mm to be used as a chaos steed no?
>>98280516>Could be less since that'd be >$15 per model.People obviously do, because otherwise GW wouldn't keep on growing constanlty. But I really can't bring myself to spend north of $5 per infantry sized plastic models.
>>98280543That’s just kind of generically true for most fictional villains. The empire in just a new hope causes more death and destruction then pretty much every real regime in human history combined when they blow up an entire planet just to flex their muscles.Hitler who is technically also a Dragon Ball character wouldn’t even be noteworthy evil in the setting when super alien people showing bad leveling entire mega cities to introduce themselves is a common occurrence and Frieza‘s empire had small squads and occasionally single dudes killing entire planet populations off in hand to hand combat. Most fictional villains either are directly stated to or just through how they are written implied to be more blood soaked then all of humanity could ever hope to be. These goofy fucks from invader zim probably claimed literal trillions of lives because of how their empire operates
>>98280624The preview says it's a demonic mount but it could fit on a 30x60 just might be a tighter fit
>>98280605Not beating the allegations.
>>98280624>>98280650Might be possible. I assume the daemonic mount will be updated to no longer be a range of base sizes like in Ravening Hordes but rather only the base size that the new model sits on, 50x75mm I assume.
>>98280672>50x75mmI think it's a 40 x 60mm base it doesn't seem longer than the other mounted units, and the Gate Master, just wider.
>>98280609Old World might become a sort of evergreen system that just doesn’t fully acknowledge it’s technically in a new edition. Like it gets enough rules changes and updates over time that you could market it as a new edition, but instead of a reset it simply continues through updated books, new journals, and kits.In the end, the system may not get an official new edition until sales start to dry up, the design team randomly decides it’s time for a shake up. or until some executive decides that Old World needs to step up and compensate for another system struggling to pull its weight. Which at the moment looks like it might be Heresy since 3.0 seems to be kind of struggling.
>>98280689Oh might be. I wish GW would just tell us the base sizes in the previews.
>>98278958I thought these looked pretty good. "Durthu" comes with optional arm without sword and I think the tree kin need to be scaled up.
>>98280698New editions are always a sales boost. It might not need it, but there's no chance TOW isn't getting more editions down the line. A system doesn't need to be struggling for sales to have the potential for even more sales, after all.
>>98280698Ironically I think the Heresy 3.0 debacle and overall shrinking of the HH playerbase might have been what saved us from the edition churn. They saw how poorly that was received, and going off online engagement and registered tournaments HH has fallen off a cliff in terms of activity. They saw that and didn’t want a repeat with TOW, so now we are being treated more like MESBG in terms of core rules. Which is great considering MESBG is almost 25 years old and only on its third edition. I highly doubt GW would release this core set with the revised rulebook only to launch 2.0 a year later. But who knows, maybe they are big enough to justify that now.
>>98280698When did they update the Necromunda ruleset for the Hive Secundas box?
>>98280312don't conflate norscans with chaos warriorsnorscans can still be multifaceted human people chaos warriors are irredeemable soldiers of hell
I'd like a quick opinion from you, in this matter.I've tried to squeeze as much information about this city as I could, yet I only came up with this. I've even taken a couple of liberties with the given sources. The only info bits missing are the ruler of Sudenburg (which is only given by the viodegame), and sword description that a character from the Vermintide videogames obtained; these I couldn't find a way to properly include them in text.What do you guys honestly think?
>>98280534I think of the dark elves as being trapped in their own form of rat race, constantly enforced by Malekith's demented idea of 'cultivating strength'. Their extremes of evil and cruelty make sense in this context, it's the Standford prison experiment, which was proven not to work unless someone at the top is actively pushing for the worst possible result.What I do find fault in is the impracticality of their treatment of slaves once owned. Supposedly, Naggaroth works as a rough parallel with Sparta, where true citizens mostly working military roles and the slaves doing all the menial shit that keeps the people fed and the economy running. That model by itself proved unsustainable, but add the elves' cartoonish cruelty and the whole thing becomes brittle as glass. Sure, peons in the mines and cargo haulers are interchangeable, and you can theoretically keep replacing them like used batteries, but it becomes more of a pain in the ass if you slit the throat of your skilled baker because he sneaked crushed glass in your bread, and now you have to acquire or train a new one only to starvehim and lash him into collapse soon enough.
>>98280760>picrel the sword in question
>>98280760Seems fine, the sword I think was original not from Sudenburg originally anyway, since it's was made by an Arabian
>>98280714I assume it’s pretty much what this guy said >>98280719GW might be acting a bit tactical and realize they have a player base that doesn’t particularly trust or like them and at least some have been playing long unsupported system regardless of what GW is doing. 3.0 collapsing may have been a catalyst or an extra encouragement, but I wouldn’t be surprised if the general fatigue of edition churn mixed with GW knowing who the kind of people playing TOW has made them be less aggressive in churn here. Wouldn’t be surprised if we do get a 2nd edition in a few years time, but I wouldn’t be surprised suspect it will actually be a meaningful one or because GW absolutely needed to make it happen instead do trying to get a big start of edition cash flow and then the repercussions of a burnt player base
>>98280792I think your analysis is quite sensible. I for one greedily hope for 2.0 as soon as possible, not because I want 2.0 but because I believe that Kislev is being saved for 2.0 and I desperately desperately want Kislev.
>>98280760>I've even taken a couple of liberties with the given sources.please don't, if you're redacting lexicanum stick to what the sources actually say.
>>98280826Same. Give me 2nd edition with kislev and then leave us there for a bit
>>98280792It would make sense if the time between editions is longer than most other systems, I just think it's inevitable that it'll happen.
>>982807923.0 is hilarious because for 2.0 they had extensive community testing with big groups and GW turned sour on it because they leaked rules and also pointed out everything wrong with the edition but GW refused to rewrite the rules. In 3.0 they instead did internal testing and they did manage to release probably the most balanced iteration of heresy but also made so many changes and added simply un-fun systems and mechanics it tanked the game. TOW won't increase their confidence given that the errata basically walked back most the new features so I doubt they have any confidence writing a new edition anytime soon.
>>98278944>easterlings look like ass.rope
>>98278944>the man with brittish taste
>>98280752that's AoS not WHF in AoS they are an anti-racist body positive faction resisting colonialism
>>98280951They’re actually more racist there, like full on comanche.
>>98280633What a strange morality system. It doesn't even take into account time.In Hitlers 9-year reign, he is probably responsible for more deaths than any Warhammer Fantasy chaos god over any 9 year period, barring the end times because they aren't real.If I lived for a billion years and killed a person every century, I would have killed more people than the number of people who died in the holocaust. If I lived a half billion more, I would have killed more people than the amount of people and jews who died in the holocaust.Would I be more evil than Hitler.
>>98281000>people and jews
>>98278903I can fucking belive they killed battalion boxes for this shithopefully they cost less than 50€
>>98281077retard
>>98281077>hopefully they cost less than 50€
>4 chaos knights
>>98281077They'll cost more than battalions.
>>98281083>>98281091>>98281103I was fucking joking I know they will cost more than battalions, they are called gee-double jews for a reason.
>>98281097The separate box release will have eight
>>98281115That isn’t much better, maybe it if I touch myself the cock in my mouth from gw won’t be as bad and won’t question the 2 missing knights.
>>98280951No, I'm talking about whf, where norscans can be mercenaries, traders or neighbouring settlers, like in the artwork behind the image I posted
>>98280778>the sword I think was original not from Sudenburg originally anyway, since it's was made by an ArabianThat is true, as is in >>98280775 but one bit of lore to note is the Undead attack to the city, and a successful defence of it. The Sword was given as a reward.>>98280849The thing is, the sources don't say much, and leave some things implied. For example: I know for certain that multiple expeditions occur from Sudenburg only thanks to a passing quote from the 4ed. RPG Altdorf book, with mentions the latest mass of goodies acquired by the "Sudenburg Brute finders". If it weren't for that, I'd only have the 3ed. RPG book to go on, without knowing if it was a customary practice or an exception. On my previous pic I'd written "highly-funded", but that was just the one expedition case, and so yes I should remove it.A side-point: the Wiki.fandom version of the page has no problem in detailing the entire expedition from said 3ed. book, but I think it sidetracks the topic on the city and focuses instead on the expeditionary group itself.
>>98281000>In Hitlers 9-year reign, he is probably responsible for more deaths than any Warhammer Fantasy chaos god over any 9 year periodGod, I wish.
>>98281142I never really liked that aspect of norsca. It felt like a jab at “justifying chaos”.
>>98281175>It felt like a jab at “justifying chaos”.it's really not it's more of a justification for having Norscan PC in WFRP
>>98281175Got to have (not)vikings somehow.
>>98281175They're a ton of Norscan tribes though. I don't think it's much different than Ogres sometimes being mercenaries.
>>98281175They're nondenominational Christmas and Easter Chaos worshippers who think the Raven loves them. They still rape and pillage for normal human reasons, not to exalt the dukes of hell.
OK, but as someone who has grown sick of 40k and Aos, and is interested in starting ToW, why are chaos warriors and knights sold/played in multiples of 4 with this new, rather than 5 like most other armies, and by the looks of it, their previous models? Is this a balancing thing?
>>98281175It's less about justifying chaos and more about saying that there's a gradient of chaos.The problem is that the miniatures cannot show this gradient and must instead stick to a point of it where they look fine next to the extreme chaosfags that are the armored warriors, the true center of the faction.
>>98281229they are this settings' space marine, they are supposed to be more elite than the other factions
>>98281229They're an elite army with low model count, high point cost, and larger bases than most armies. Also bigger models require more plastic sprues.
>>98280449Dark Elves rape and torture for the lulz, enslave for pragmatic reasons, and ultimately just want their fooken island back (same). Chaos Warriors want to chop enough good people up that they can become a daemon prince and ultimately blow up the world so they can suck Satan's cock in hell for eternity.
>>98278878It's $239.99 retail.Not a good deal.
>>98281229They are heavy cav which has a mininum rank bonus of 4 instead of 5 like light cav
>>9828122999% it’s just GW nickel and dimming you, but they are also a faction where you usually won’t want, need, or be able to field a huge number of any unit more elite then the basic marauders. The old regiment box of 32 warriors was probably about as many as you would want possibly even more then you would want for a while army. Think of them like custodes in 40K.
>>98281260So 204 with the 15% discount?That's a pretty great deal considering the core rulebook will be $50, you get a playmat, and two starter armies.
I'm looking for art, lore, and general inspiration for a Lahmian Vampire Counts army. Got my hands on several female vampire models, which is all the excuse I need. But from what I've seen in lore and such, Lahmian vampires seem to be more "power behind the throne" types, individual characters maybe, but not the sorts to raise armies and lay sieges. I don't know if I've ever seen a real painted Lahmian vampire counts army, while all the other bloodlines are pretty well represented. I'm conceiving my project as the inhabitants of a former Priory, nuns who went bad and turned the building into their own coven's haven. That would give them an excuse to have some kind of standing army to defend the territory, though they probably aren't expansionists by any means they'd be ready to kill any interloper in their small corner of Sylvania. In terms of what's THEMATIC, though, I want to get the list right. Lots of bats, wolves, maybe? One thing that I'm planning to have is a unit of wannabe vampires, basically mortal prospects who are allowed to live and learn necromancy in the Priory, a small percentage of them eventually "graduating" to be granted Vampiredom while the rest perish by violence or intrigue. I'll stat them as whatever. (?)
>>98281229Chaos warriors have been sold in multiplies of four for a long time. They used to come in units of 16, and I imagine they will again.
>>98281274The playmat is just going to be a paper poster anon. It's going to be a bit crummy at best
>>98281275>I don't know if I've ever seen a real painted Lahmian vampire counts armyBecause that's not how Vampire Counts armies work maybe?All the units are the same, except for the vampire models themselves.
>>98281229>sick and tired of GW shit >let's move over to some other GW shit insteadYou guys are actually mentally unwell. So pathetic
>>98281229it's shrinkflation, but also fantasy used to have kits in multiples of 4 instead of 5 for big guys in the past, and they can get away with it because we have points per model here, and the number of total models, or models per rank, is up to you.
>>98281274An outdated book when you can just use a pdf, a shit playmat you won't use....
>>98281275Carmilla is probably a good idea to read since that is the main piece of Gothic fiction that inspired the Lahimans, like how Dracula is the main inspiration for the Von CarsteinsRequiem for a Vampire is also probably another good one for you to watch if you want to make Vampire Nunnery a focus.
>>98281290>>98281317It's for new players anons, they absolutely need a playmat the proper size and the hardback rules to reference while learning.You're falling into the classic trap of looking at it through the lens of an established player which is why people often shit on the 40k starter sets too.
>>98281275Lamians have stronger ties to the egyptian past of their bloodline, so you might want to have some skeletons and grave guards with distinctly ancient exotic armors and weapons.
Why can't GW stop being Jewish with the prices at least a little bit? If you wanna get more newfags into TOW, just cheapen the range by a bit, 10-15%40K paypigs will always eat up the releases, TOW needs new bloods
>>98281457because theyre new sculpts and so need to pay more whereas 30 old state troopers is cheap
>>98281457>why won't the publicly traded company make things cheaper and reduce profits for their shareholders???>are they stupid???
>>98281484Wouldn't they profit more if they got a larger playerbase by makingit more accessible + getting more sales from existing users? The markup for these is already huge, plus a lot of people using proxies might buy GW stuff
>>98281320Oh, I'm badly remiss for never having read Carmilla. I'll start it tonight, you're right. Books and movies are the best inspo anyway. This whole thing probably started with me watching too many 90s edgekinos. Evil women are cool. Dracula was a knockout novel. These older books are always interesting because they provide these accidental windows into the past. Like when the characters need to get from Transylvania to Britain or whatever, but they have to wait for three months because it's winter and there's no way to make the trek. Noticed that reading Frankenstein too, all the little differences in lifestyle which I retardedly never even considered. Logistics being a huge pain, particular materials being unavailable with no way to get them, all these inconveniences of pre-modernity. >>98281336That's a really cool detail - Egyptian bits could add a really killer touch, even if it's as subtle as jewelry pieces and stuff. Probably add some Ankhs.
>>98281457>Newbloods want new models, it's not a price issue. The battalion boxes were cheaper per model but mostly went to established players. Why? Because non-WHFB simply want new sculpts which is what this box is all about
>>98281508Woops, didn't mean to add a > to the front of that
>>98281502afaik most hobbies are carried by whales
>>98281531You matter too, buddy.-James
>>98281275Read Warhammer Army Project Vampire Counts armybook. It has all the flavorfull options for different vamp subfactions, including mind controlled simps for Lahmians.
>no models>no games>no WIPsJust another day in /wfg/.
>>98281565>no gamesanon>>98279797>>98279842>>98279878
hmm do I watch the 10 or 25 minute video for the faction I have 1.2k points for, where a hobby night is 2+ hours long
>>98281573Damn, that must be the first game in like 5 threads
>>98281575Watch some joi video for 3 hours long Bonus points if it can sissify you to playing bretonians (the real lady’s army).
>>98279797I know it’s only 1000 points but there could be more effort for the board
>>98281275
>>98278958Find some sticks and sculpt your own tree dudes. >>98281477>cheap
>>98281601yeah cheap, look how much 30 guys would cost you in 40k or sigmar
>>9828145740kfags already pay premium for their models
>>98280614I miss the times when GW models could show nipples. ( Too bad most female sculpts were so ugly. Well, at least they werent fat.
>>98281575watch the 11 second protein bar ad and then hit the gym instead
Is it possible that warcry got canned because james wants to make a new version that rolls it in with mordheim/TOW for one squad game for all fantasy lines?
>>98281614You know, I don't think I will.
>>98281649Warcry is a mainline studio game, not SDS like TOW so I kinda doubt it
About a month ago I converted Lady Malys onto a cold one chariot to be my dreadlord for a slow grow league. A bit ago I finished simple kitbash for her to be on a manticore to lead my 2k army.
>>98281649Absolutely not.
>>98281577Post YOUR games NOW
>>98281670That sword needs to be blood red and that fan needs some green ink. Otherwise breddy good, me likey
>>98281601State troops are $68.56 USD/£51.85 GBP here.
>>98281670>ethought that was shadowheart for a second
>>98281767I'm pretty sure its what they modeled her after. Like how the model of The Lion they did for 40k is just Charles Dance>>98281713NTA but I play weekly at my LGS but they have pretty shit terrain so I don't think the pictures are worth sharing most of the time.
>>98281825>NTA but I play weekly at my LGS but they have pretty shit terrainIktf. I would donate some terrain, of I coffee guarantee the 40k players wouldn't get their cheeto fingers on it.
>>98281825>The Lion they did for 40k is just Charles DanceFuck I can't unsee it now
>>98281582I get you man, but our nerd store is toght on dynamic terrain besides buildings sadly.
>>98281649I can see them doing a relaunch with the theme from City of Ash to essentially be Mordheim for AoS
>>98279233GW dragons are all ass. This one has a good pose but a stupid horse face. All the good looking AoS ones are evil, if you want a good one you have to have a stupid cartoon smugface dragon. The other Cathay one where she is changing between between dragon and human form looks ok, but it doesn't have nice wings like this one. GW just can't make a decent dragon. Decent pose, big wings, not evil, not stupid smug face. Where is it?
>>98280760>>98281151Anyways, it's done. Thank you for the input.
>>98281587>>98281722>>98281813Much appreciated!>>98281565Here's some WIP. I got excited and started gluing some skeletons together. I own the Cursed City box, but the skeletons in there are too fucking big, so I opted to build a unit of WGA skeletons (God they're fiddly to assemble) and used a couple extra metal models I had as unit command. Added some helmets, beastman heads, etc to make it look like they've drawn from a variety of dead soldiers. The poor bastard skeleton struggling to carry the giant fuckoff banner is borderline silly, but I guess undead don't get tired, and I wanted a massive banner. I've also bought a bag of "goth nail charms", which I'm going to paste on and use as shield bosses after I paint them - they look pretty Lahmian to me.
>>98281988You tasteless fucking ape. GTFO this thread forever.
>>98282044Noodle dragons have always looked like shitSomebody post the fisher price looking asarnil of whatever he's called
>>9828160130 dudes for $90 is an actual steal, it's $53 for 10 guardsmen over in 40k.
>Two heads>Slug>A fucking wyvern >Dragon ogre>Tortle> FrogThe one at the back looks ok, but he looks like he's taking a walk down the shops to buy some fags. Where's the real juice?>>98282044>GTFO this thread forever. Shan't
I'm brand new to this, so excuse me my apparent retardation. I want to tlay the Empire of Man, where do I find their stats and unit profiles etc?
>>98281457The core set is going to be priced very reasonably for what you get, much cheaper than the other games starter sets. And when you look at what you get for the money. TOW is basically tied with HH for being the cheapest game
>>98281601Could be worse.
>>98281665Yeah but what if people are ok with spending a bit more to get nice minis instead of that hist slop?
>>98281531Yes but as many F2P games learned to their cost, whales need people that aren't other whales to show off to or they stop buying shit.I remember a discussion thread on a Star Trek Online forum once that made the perfectly rational argument that it would be more fun to play an Era-specific crew if the game automatically "skinned" everything in the appropriate aesthetics - TOS people only see TOS ships, TNG only TNG, Current Year of the game's setting only that, etc etc - and all the regular free players and casual Dolphins who buy the odd marketplace ship or Lobi uniform for their fave era thought it was a brilliant idea, but the *real* Whales, the retards who blow hundreds of IRL dollars on gambleboxes to get some megaultrarare snowflake ship *shat their pants*, because unlike the regular players they don't make purchases because those purchases gratify them personally, they make them because they get to strut into a lobby dressed like Pimpdaddy Goldencock 5000 flying an ultra-rare solid platinum Globerflorbian Wangmongler Supreme and know that everyone knows exactly what that cost them.So it's a balance - Whales need expensive shit to buy so they can show off to everyone that they can afford expensive shit, but if there's nothing *but* expensive shit then everyone else fucks off and they have nobody to show off to and eventually they bugger off as well.
>>98281565>He posts, while showing none of those thingsFag.
>>98282169ngl, I kinda wanna get these because greatweapons don't fit chaos warriors for some fucking reason??? the polearm has to be bent in the middle for the hands to fit into the sockets?
>>98282128You talking about this guy? This is the smug git I was talking about. I just want to slap him.
>>98279773>Do you think TOW will get it's very own Mordheim equivalent?Maybe but not anytime soonThe name change for Necromunda to Warhammer Skirmish: Necromunda(pic) for that recently announced new edition makes me wonder if SDS would make Warhammer Skirmish: Mordheim using the Necromunda ruleset as a basis, as the name change to Necromunda feels like a superfluous change otherwise unless they were planning to expand that ruleset to other settings outside of Necromunda
>>98282210This is genuinely one of the worst dragon miniatures I have ever seen. Maybe ever.
>>98282210I hate these Dragons! They're the 3rd edition AoS Dragons, right? I hate their faces.
>>98282210Close, those are the pixar dragons. Probably sculpted by a genuine furry.Anyway, the only good dragon gw has ever sculpted is the new aos zombie dragon. Aside from maybe some mesbg stuff idk.
>>98282180Perry shit looks way better for a quarter the price. Liking "heroic" shoeless apes more is criminally bad taste.
>>98282147Wild. I remember needing like 100 dudes for a mechanized veteran list I played back in 5-6th. I can't imagine dropping $500 before even getting to the tanks. >>98282169Damn.
>>98282277Perry sculpts are mostly generic hist slop that lack any and all Warhammer soul. If I wanted to save money and use ugly models I’d buy sword and sorcery green army men.
>>98282271wrong general anon
>>98282300Shit, oops
>>98282295You've got bad taste. I'd pay more for Perry because they look better. That fact that the visit less is a bonus. >green army menBetter proportions than GW desu. Given how old they trooper molds are, probably less clean up too.
>>98282300What was it
>>98282377Necromunda question>>98282308
>>98282269Yeh that dragon looks good but it's evil and I can't be doing it. Carnosaur is good. No wings though, but Lizardmen have a lot of great models. New Slaan and aggradons are sweet. Plus primaris saurus.Anyway, I am hyped for the new box and add some bodies to my Khornite horde, that I never rebased. The only problem I have, are these new chaos warriors going to dwarf my old ones? Are they primaris chaos warriors?
>>98282328You’re entitled to shit taste but damn you have bad taste. There’s a reason why the historical market is dead, because the sculpts are boring/shit
>>98281152Usually in these :who is worse" debates I have to consider the difference in culpability between deaths as a part of war and intentional killing of civilians, however the Chaos Gods (and their followers) definitely kill civilians in malice so I can just start counting all bodies equally.~13 million from the holocaust (7 million of which weren't Jews) ~12 million allied soldiers died in Europe and Africa, being generous to Khorne (or Slannesh, or Nurgle, or Tzeentch, or the Horned Rat, or Hashut, or...) and generous to the rest of the axis, I know that Germany contributed ~1/2 of the troops in the European and African theaters, so we'll assume German troops caused half of allied casualties even though they were certainly over contributing. Giving us ~6 million allied soldiers dead because of germany~30 million civilians died from non-holocaust causes (in Europe and Africa) directly tied to the war, we'll assume Axis and Allies contributed equally to this and again assume Germany contributing half the men of the Axis, contributed half the work, a quarter of 30 is 7.5, which well round down to ~7 million civilians blown away in the cross fire by German handsThat all adds up to ~26 million, and to be generous to Khorne and for a nice number, we'll assume they were all previously rounding up and remove a million for ~25 million dead in a way Hitler is partially responsible for.I'm ignoring that X% of the Allied soldiers died of illness and starvation, but I am also ignoring famine and other deaths related to logistical failings caused by the war, and I think that more than obliterates the first category.How many people does any individual Chaos God kill in just short of a decade
>>98282458There are four major chaos gods and a slew of minor ones, and Chaos undivided, no major god is supposed to be the best, we will also assume that any given Chaos God is responsible a fifth for undivided kills (each major god projecting a portion and all the minor gods getting one poriton for themselves). That means each Chaos God would need to be killing 20 million people every 9 years to combine that with their partial credit from undivided to match Hitler's kill count. 125,000,000, 20 mill from each major god, 20 mil from all minor gods together, and 25 million from unspecified Chaos.Numbers are hard to grasp without context.Let's start here, the Holy Roman Empire at the peak of it's population had ~21 million people, by the time of the first industrial war 40-60 million was considered a major population for a nation to have, the ~90 million people in partially industrialized Russia had the other fully developed European nations afraid. Humans. The Empire of Man is begining it's industrial revolution but is a long way from WWI, other human nations are technologically backwards compared to the Empire. Araby, Kislev, Bretonnia and Nippon all have to be pretty small compared to the Empire of Man, the human nations of order, Grand Cathy and Ind have real life equivalnets with huge population that they have through shear land mass, however geography has been altered to make it a more far land comparison, between west and east. They are going to be relative to the Empire, maybe slightly larger. The Southlands are filled with completely savage, low population cultures that are essentially tribes and have populations matching that. The America equivalents don't have solid human populations.I don't care to calculate specific populations of all the races of order, I just think you should consider these things before you act like it is so clear cut who kills more people every 9 years, in Hitler vs (fantasy) Khorne.
>>98282462>>98282458I can't leave well enough alone. The other races of order are slow to reproduce and generally geographically isolated. The combined numbers of Lizardmen, Dwarfs and three types of elves aren't rounding errors (like the ogres), it's not going to double or more the numbers humanity provides for order.While considering if it feasible for 125,000,000 people to die every year from Chaos, you should also consider that the forces of order engage in large-scale war with themselves, sometimes and the Undead and especially Orcs exist.For mortal races, prime fighting age is generally just after prime breeding age and they overlap heavily and humans generally take more than nine years before they are able to reproduce at all.
So wait. Prince Pavel was Kattarin's biological son?Wasn't aware that vampires could procreate.
>>98282660adopted son maybe
We’re never getting a Minotaur that doesn’t look retarded.
How do we not have leaks on any of the new rules
>>98281988>>98282269Nick Bibby begs to differ
>>98282269MESBG has a few dragons, can't say they impress me to much so far.
>>98282741What the fuck.
>>98282769I expect we MAY get something in regards of what the WoC units are statted as in the book, could be a change thats expected in the next AJ (e.g full plate)
>>98282741Hahahaha .... so motherf*cking UGLY XD
>>98282741Face like a Tauren. Lower torso made of hotdogs.
>>98282660There is absolutely no mention of Pavel being Kattarin own son page 18 of Realm of the Ice Queen.I checked the whole Realm of the Ice Queen (and Night's Dark Master) because it's also quoted a lot in wikis sources) and there is no mention of him bieng her son.Maybe it is from Drachenfels or Silver Nail books ?
>>98282194Might want to consider these since they're about the same price and have more options.
>>98283179They just don't look as cool
>>98282226I figure adding Warhammer to the name was a simple “This is Warhammer too please buy it,” from GW.
>>98282160Forces of Fantasy
>>98283191I don't like the leather tummies but the rest looked neat.
Question for the thread:If I have a Shugengan Lord w/Monkey King's Wisdom and I cast Spectral Doppelganger in combat with her, does that mean I get 2d6 auto hitting monkey staff hits?Friend and I were playing today and this was the thing that baffled us by how strong it ended up being. Basically one shot his Chaos Dragon by rolling 10+ auto D3 damage hits in combat.
>>98283464They definitely forgot that mixing leather and plate only works if you balance the ratio right and I think part of the reason the new models look good is because they went with full plate instead of giving someone in 95 percent plate leather boots.
>>98283503Spectral Doppelganger can be resolved with magic weapons, yes, including weapons like the Ogre Blade or something with Monster Slayer. I forget whether they autohit or not thoughbeit
>>98282741GW never made a minotaur that lokked good
What do I need to buy get started with empire? I want to play 1.5k asapI heard they're shit but I don't care.
>>98282824It's not terrible but a few issues. The pose. This dragon looks like it is sniffing for truffles or something. Just search "Dragon Miniature" on Etsy and you have so many great dragons.Like this.Great pose. He looks fearsome. Not a smug git. Not a cartoon. Not an evil caricature, but not a pet either. He is a dragon. Why can't GW do it?
>>98278914>>98278937>ctrl+c, ctrl+v, ctrl+c, ctrl+v...
>>98283840Also, remember when the Empire was the central nation in Warhammer instead of some distant expeditionary force of a distant empire ruled by dragons.
>>98283886Nice art fren
>>98278937i really like the mortuary priest one
Why are people saying wood elves are getting new models?
>>98284040Couple months back there was a big rumour which included tomb kings vs wood elves as starter set factions for a new box in summer with updated core rulebook etc. Seemed crazy at the time but then everything else in the rumour turned out to be correct. Then like 2 weeks ago rumourmongers suddenly pivoted :) towards cathay vs chaos, and lo and behold, we did get a cathay vs chaos starter set in the summer.So that makes people wonder, was there ever a tk vs we starter set? And if so, did that include new miniatures we might yet see after all?
>>98282678Maybe.>>98283111I'm not sure. It seems certainly assumed that Pavel is her son (whether adopter or not), perhaps because of his title."Tsarevich" would be a title normally given to the crown-prince, a direct male descendant of the Tzar/Tzarina. (at least in accordance to its irl equivalent)
>>98284061They haven't done it for TOW yet but other systems get fomo vs boxes all the time so could be
>>98284090TOW got reinforcement boxes for the new maruders and a second wave of Cathay which were FOMO
>>98284095I did specify versus boxes
>>98284095He specifically meant "vs boxes" which are a different thing entirely.>>98284090They've actually moved away from those pretty much entirely. Only exception in recent years has been the skaven vs cities box, and that's somewhat of an exception because it's a starter set for spearhead
Hey guys I went to my local game store to ask what kind of miniature wargame I should get into. After letting the shop owner know that im a white chad conqueror that pounds thr native pussy in foreign lands to spread my seed they said this is the game for me, how do I get started?
>>98283553Wearing leather boots and gloves over your armour in the frozen north makes perfect sense - have you ever done that thing where you lick a fresh-out-the-freezer icecube and it sticks to your tongue? Yeah now imagine what would happen if you were in steel plate and you tried to take your cock out to piss...
>>98284114WoC sounds like your army. They're getting some new boxes with brand-new sculpts soon, one of them comes with the rulebook. Use Old World Builder to make your list in the meantime.https://old-world-builder.com/
>>982841486e and AoStranny WoC aren't wearing armor on their feet under the leather boots. That's not how armor works. Their big hairy Nordic grippers are vulnerable to attack.
>>98284105>They've actually moved away from those pretty much entirely. Only exception in recent years has been the skaven vs cities box, and that's somewhat of an exception because it's a starter set for spearheadTrue, come to think of it. Due to price hikes I guess they can only justify it for starter sets now
>>98284148Tfw your nipple tongue mutations keep sticking to your frozen armor
confirmation that the new WoC will only have hand weapon option
>>98284243Lmao what the fuck
>>98284243Hah! WoC upgrade kits à la Horus Heresy coming soon.
>>98284243This is the prime example of why you should be 3rd printing
>>98282147>30 dudes for $90 is an actual stealIt is a steal if you accept that GW is stealing money from mentally handicapped people.
>>98284243They had one fucking job
>>98283553Wearing leather boots actually makes more sense if you're an infantryman. Makes marching about much more easy and comfortable, and it's hard to actually hit someone in the foot in combat. Steel sabatons where mostly the providence of cavalrymen, because they didn't have to walk very far, and their legs were more vulnerable to attack since they were raised up on horseback.
>>98284290Marauders can wear boots but these are chaos warriors we're talking about.
>>98284274>Wargames AtlanticGross.Proonting is the only way.
>>98284321I will NOT give a single fuck about yet another episode of Americunt racial civil wars: the show, and most certainly I will NOT let it affect my toy soldiers purchases.
>>98284330Shalom!
>>98284330Sure thing, faggot.
>>98284336>ShalomThe last time I check it is not me worshipping a child-eating, heretic cult leader.
>>98284330Based beyond belief.
>>98284243Eh. This means they'll make moar kits with arms for 2H and dual weapons, maybe some helmet and weapon arm upgrade kits for mono-god. It sucks, but for how great the new models look, I'll take it. And no I am not a raped kikeslave, I just don't catastrophize over $30
>>98284321Based. Only bots and retards left on X.
>>98284290>providenceLul. Doesn't mean footmen didn't wear sabatons or, earlier, maille on their footsies. And there were some knightly orders during the crusades which mandated sleeping in armor, so it's not unthinkable Chaos Warriors just keep that shit on 24/7. A suit of IRL armor only weighs like 60 lbs and is weight distributed and articulated in such a way that it can be pretty comfortable to move around in, and Chaos Armour is quite advanced.
>>98284392Try marching about in metal shoes, see where that gets you.
>>98284383>>98284346Kys troon.
Man, when did /wfg/ turn into /40kg/?
>>98284290aren't actual warriors of chaos often basically bound to their armours to the point that it's basically their flesh?I don't think they'd care at that point whether they have leather or plate boots
>>98284418lol loser
heres my WoC sorceror, I need to rebase himwhy yes the Tzarketh, Bane of Law model is the best sorceror model they've ever done
>>98284440Yeah, I don't mind, I'm just refuting the idea that it's somehow strange for a guy in armour to be wearing leather boots.
>>98284431it got a release announcement after 6 months
>>98284431When was the last time 40kg talked about boots?
>>98284458He does look nice, I was thinking of picking him up, but I wasn't sure if he'd fit on the square.
>>98278878It's weird, I've got a guy who's been interested in Cathay for ages and keeps talking about how much he wants it but hasn't got the cathay battalion. However as soon as he saw this he got really excited and is planning on pre-ordering it, I even explained to him that it's just way better value if he gets the currently available battalion box but he just doesn't seem to want to. I really don't get the average consumer sometimes, it just seems to him the fact it's labelled 'starter box' makes him want to get it more.
>>98284243Apparently the javgoro discord guy is saying they'll bring out an upgrade sprue later down the line
>>98284402No one marched in armor at all if they could help it, that's what the baggage train is for. What a stupid gay retard point to make
>>98284483Isn't he full of shit?it makes sense as a guess, even some anons made it, but until we see how sprue is designed, we won't know for sure
>>98284476he's on a 25mm in that photo, he fits great on a 30mm
>>98284480Did he really want the rule book to go along with it or something?
>>98284500It was actually very common to march in armour. Baggage trains were for things like food, camp supplies, additional ammunition, boots, and so on. Each man would be expected to be able to handle his own equipment and be ready to form up in good order at short notice.
>>98284458Did you really butcher Sayl the Faithless to make this, you crazy nigger? God damn, that's so ballsy I can't help but respect it. Can't argue with results either, looks great.
>>98284544it was a recast sayl.
>>98284483His rumour is kinda worthless imo since he leaves too much room for it to be anythingAnother rumour someone posted about new Brettonian knights
>>98284456Lol faggot.
>>98284587Too late, I already painted my knights. Although I might wait for some grail knights.What I want is more rules and items though.And cav buff. Cav's been shit for a year now.
>>98284587I would love some plastic questing and grail knights. The questing knight paladin on foot is one of my favorite minis from TOW so I'd be excited to see what they do in the future now that we know the foot knights were a weird fucking fluke
>>98284573Thank God. Not that it matters much with r*sin
>>98284587With how the Foot Knights came out I'll stick with my 5th edition metal chuddies. Maybe they'll take cues from the new WoC and imitate 5e knights, but I doubt it.
>>98284587why do you keep posting this worthless faggot?
>>98284686>>98284686>>98284686
>>98284663Stop with that retarded cope, new chaos warriors look nothing like those scoliosis 5e warriors. They just look good because they look like the peak WoC artworks.
>>98284663Those models are beauts mate. The new knights look silly.
>>98284726They're iterations on the 5e design concepts, you mongoloid.
>>98284836No they're not, you coping faggot. They don't have the same stance, they don't have the same silhouette, the same armor or the same details. You're fucking sad and desperate.
