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>>98326261Anon what are you talking about?
>>98326495I mean those are very good paints for mini painting. Better than GW'sIf it isn't too much I would personally invest into that, you can use them for other minis in the future.
>TQTomb King vs Wood Elf AJ plus model releaseNo idea what would be in that release, but it's the most likely candidate going by previous AJ and the complete lack of Wood elf or Tomb King in the Battle March book.No idea what could be after that, though maybe more Chaos and Brettonia stuff or that rumoured Warhammer Siege book, but that seems unlikely
>>98326513What's in his pocket?
>>98326519There's never going to be a wood elf big box I don't know what you guys are somking, it's literally the least played non legacy faction.
>>98326584never understood this retarded logic.GW doesnt care for player numbers for their releases. especially when it comes to tourney fags
>TQWE and TK for sureAfter that it'll be plastic grail knights that are as big as the chaos warriors
Im not playing if wood elves ever end up being good. If either wood elves, ogres, or dwarves are good in your meta, then its likely that edition is a dogshit one. Id rather endure 8th edition chaos blocks before that.
>>98326590>gw doesn't care how many minis they'll selllollmao evenI guess that's why they keep releasing chaos content huh?
>>98326507Maybe they'll do more beastchad releases now that they can be souped with warriors. A new chariot, centigors, and a BSB/hero box would be great.
>>98326652Dude they’re souping beastmen so they don’t have to pay attention to them again.
I've got the goblin half of the AoS battle box "looncurse" sitting in my hobby room.One of these days I won't be able to resist temptation and they'll all be going on square bases
>>98326664This, and that's a good thing. We don't need new models for old units, that's what 3D printing is for. We need new factions.I want Kislev and Vampirates.
>>98326670>Vampirates.Sounds like Somalian pirates to me
>>98326673>somalian
Bring on the Kislev my body is ready
>>98326615What's wrong with ogres
>>98326695Ogres are the gigachad army so they naturally intimidate beta males
Does TOW really let you just awkwardly pile in three units onto the front of one enemy unit like this and everyone gets to attack? I'm thinking of cancelling my pre-order.
>>98326702No. That unit of chaos warriors can't close the door.
>>98326702Those knights kinda look like shit now that I’m looking at em
>>98326714Those are old knights and warriors
>>98326714Knights are Age of Smegmar ones so they're way too big and look janky ranked up. Warriors are the old early 00's ones. I'm an unc though so I like them.
i got the orc bosses box, is it better to build the bsb or boss on the boar? i don't have any boar boyz yet but i am planning on getting some eventually
>>98326670>I want Kislev and Vampirates.Cathay really was the most boring possible option for a new faction
>>98326702You’ve already posted this shitpost picture before Mr manlet
>>98326732Figure it out yourself and think. >>98326742Could be worse. Could be wood elves or tomb kings.
>>98326742It was okay, chink dragons, lanterns, terracotta soldiers, ying yang etc. It was a pretty good mix of historical and fantastical. I just want more.
>>98326649He means that GW don't operate on the basis of >does this faction have a sufficient playerbase to support them being a permanent and common presence in the scenebut rather on>does this thing have enough people who want to buy it to get as close as possible to selling out our initial production run of the new product once we factor in FOMOtacticsGW noticed a long time ago that they get ~85% of the total lifetime sales of any given product from the initial preorder and launch period, but being Marketing Geniuses rather than conclude this is a completely normal situation when your perfectly heathy business steadily recruits people over time and those people will buy whatever miniatures are available at that moment for the faction they're attracted to resulting in a steady trickle of sales spread across your whole range, whereas when you release an all-new product or range of products your potential audience is every single person who plays that faction, used to play that faction, or was considering playing it but held off due to old minis they disliked and so naturally you'll get a big sales bump, they decided it meant they had an audience of totally uncritical consoomers who'd buy anything so long as it was NEW and SHINY and LIMITED EDITION.They don't care if something is popular in an abstract sense, they care if there are enough people in existence at a given moment to sell through a production run. After that they don't give a fuck, if sales die off completely they'll just Legends the product line or drop it entirely - they made all the money they had to make from that initial run.
>>98326632Agreed. "Cathy" lore is shit. Second only to Skaven in shittinesss.
>>98326774You're standing here basically saying new dark eldar minis will sell as much as new space marine while GW sells yet another box of space marines for 400th time, proving you're wrong and kind of retarded.
>>98326756The historical elements were the lamest interpretations of it The fantasy was the worst of it Also I don’t think the ying yang element has been an element within the army at all
>>98326791Now you're just being a debby downer.
>>98326792No I just know that Cathay is fucking lame and is an ultimate disservice to actual sinophiless. Anyone who bought Cathay would have bought into it regardless of how it was executed, a true and bona fide slop pig.
>>98326791>>98326811Bro you could have just asked an employee at your FLGS for a step up or to grab the Cathay box off the shelf for you. This vendetta you have because you couldn’t acquire it is embarrassing
>>98326811I think you're projecting the fact your opinion about cathay wouldn't be different regardless of how they were made.
>>98326756The historical bits were okay. That fantasy bits were fantastic piles of shit.
>>98326811That's just GW customers in general.
>manlet samefagging spam Is it that time of day again
>>98326888I have a suspicion that he's the one organizing this monthly painting thing too.Not that that's a bad thing in and of itself, a painting event is great, but it's odd that he'd want to do something nice for this thread instead of shitting it up like he always does.Makes a fella wonder.
>>98326850Actually no.
Just release Kislev already
Kislev is coming with the 2.0 Great War Against Chaos release, Siege of Praag box with Engra Deathsword vs whoever the Tzar is.
>>98326724The knights are the AoS, not the older 6th edition WFB ones.
>>98327014Yes but do that now instead of in 3 years
>all that empirefag and grog seethe about cathayDelicious. You will never get kislev or legacy factions though lolNext release after TK/WE will be more cathay
>>98326563Wouldn't you like to know, American boy
>>98327014>Tzar Khan-Queen
>>98327080I don't call ig the astra militarum and I won't call the tzar/tzarina a kongkween
>>98326777>loreSkaven FLUFF is sublime.
>>98327036I want Kislev but I don't want a new edition now, they still have a lot to sort out before they tackle a new edition and the FAQ isn't exactly promising in terms of their awareness of the state of the game. It's like they work a year behind the community, still nerfing cav and handing out freebies to infantry despite infantry becoming viable with last years changes. Most of all they need a cohesive vision for the game and not just a big errata. At minimum I'd want to see capped static combat res, magic pools, a maximum of two saves per model and march block proximity becoming equal to the total marching movement of the unit wishing to march.
So how is your day considering canons auto hit and ignoring regens?
>>98327103I’m pretty sure the hell canon is still bad so it doesn’t matter to me
>>98327108The hellcannon is not a cannon. It's a stone thrower.
>>98326507>TQWood Elves versus TK box first, hopefully with updated Wood Elves because just fucking look at them. Then, probably a Bretonnia refresh but only for the knight units, and just like the Foot Knights, they'll be 150% scale, with bloated legs and retarded armor, it'll suck shit, and no one here will buy them. Nothing will ever top 5e BretonniSOVL>>98326702There is one (1) chaos warrior in base contact so one (1) chaos warriors gets to fight. Or maybe two, hard to see from this angle.
>>98327103Fat amerisharts are trying to ban it. There is drama going on.
>>98327098>FAQ isn't exactly promising in terms of their awareness of the state of the gameThey fixed peg knight faggotry and they made underperforming infantry more viable with Furious Charge + Press of Battle. I wish they'd do more to make the Magic Phase interesting and less shrimplified, but otherwise, they're doing rather well.>>98327103I only use one cannon because I'm not a faggot or a dorf, and cannons SHOULD auto-hit. We know the path they travel because of how they work, so missing is not an excuse, which implies somehow units were getting hit by fucking cannonballs, not taking wounds, yet also not stopping the cannonball which just hit them in the fucking chest. It just made no sense. And I don't care if you're a poncey elf, you're not dodging a cannonball mid-battle.
>>98327139>I'm not a faggot >or a dorfOne in the same.
>>98327139>the magic phaseThere is no magic phase, anon. That's the whole problem! Spreading spells out throughout the turn was a horrible idea!
>>98327160In some respects it's better, but it's made magic feel less special and more like artillery, just another tool on the field.
I think I ended up with a fairly okay way to paint those quickly while keeping the same color scheme as the infernal guard ones.
>>98326664>>98326670I sure hope beastmen will get a new line of models
>>98326702Yes, cancel your pre order faggot and kill yourself while you're at it
>>98327177Dwarf proportions just do not look good when they’re trying to brace a gun
In light of the recent FAQ, a struggle for dominance has erupted in my warband. The disgraced laughing stock of a sorcerer "lord", Alvis the All-Seeing, who was condemned and humiliated by the dark gods for failing to cast a single spell over five games, has returned from his long exile to attempt to unseat Dehumanizer, the terrible (pejorative) daemon prince, most famously known for taking three rounds of combat (while wielding the Ogre Blade) to kill a single measly empire hero and also getting sent screaming back to the Realm of Chaos by a single cast of Viletide, who ousted Alvis from power long ago.If only they could both lose!
>>98327114> Then, probably a Bretonnia refresh but only for the knight units, and just like the Foot Knights, they'll be 150% scale, with bloated legs and retarded armor, it'll suck shit,there is reason to hope that the new errant/realm/questing/grail will actually be good looking modelsthe lord, paladin and stander bearer that were released alongside the foot knights were actually well designed and looked like 5th/6th ed classical bretonnians that you long for
>>98327199I love the lore that comes from playing games.
>>98327199While I have no doubt Alvis probably buggered up a lot, the DP absolutely struggling to kill a hedo with the Ogre Blade is something else. I hope Alvis wins. Will you get them to duel?
>>98326652Chunky skeletons are better then the thinner ones. Those thin ones are a pain to get off the sprue and lean up; I shaved so much off them.
>>98326782You're standing here basically admitting you can't follow basic logic and/or speak simple English, I'm pretty sure I'm not the one coming off as retarded anon.Literally my point is that modern GW don't care if a Dark Eldar box sells more than Space Marines in-aggregate. They care if THIS Dark Eldar release would sell more than a specific Space Marine release at the exact same moment in time. Of course Marines outsell DEldar, they outsell everything, but there are still a finite number of times per year GW can release Space Marines in a given weekend and have THAT RELEASE make money, at which point they look at other things they could sell instead and at that stage, all that matters is whether THAT RELEASE will make money.Nobody's arguing there are enough WElf or TK players to make them a top-tier army for sales in the long term. Nobody's saying a WElf vs TK army box is going to outsell a 40K starter box. The argument is purely that once GW are looking at the slots between big releases, at the periods where they've already stuffed the paypiggies with as many little Space Marine men as they possibly can for the moment and they look at other things to sell in those slots, all that matters to them is whether Given Thing will make money IN THAT SLOT, not its long-term prospects, not its level of community engagement, not its overall playerbase. Purely whether any given box will make back what they spent to produce it plus their preferred profit margin. That's it.Do you understand yet, or do you need to me to find a pre-K youtuber to explain it to you in babytalk, you fucking cretinous buffoon?
>>98327180best you're going to get is some plastic kits for resin shit and maybe an aos reinvention around morghur
>>98327296I'm not gonna read all of that.GW release more products for popular armies because it makes them more money and that's all there is to it.
>>98327199How. On both counts.
>>98327199FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!
>>98327307>an aos reinventionlolAoS is on death row.
>>98327296Correct and smart>>98327308Ignorant and retarded
>>98327345sure thing buddy
>>98327307>>98327343Give each other a handshake and make up
>>98327291Then buy the chunky ones and don't bitch if they make new thinner ones. A lot of the people who argue against new models seem genuinely mentally retarded in that they seem to think that the new models will retroactively replace their old ones.
>>98327199First, if anyone else wants to re-create this (absolutely not historic) battle, Alvis is a Sorcerer Lord, level 4, riding a Daemonic Mount and using the lore of Daemonology with the Rod of the Damned, Lore Familiar, Power Scroll, 2x Favour(s) of the Gods. Spells: Gathering Darkness, Daemonic Familiars, Daemonic Vessel, Daemonic Vigour.Dehumanizer is a Daemon Prince, level 1, using the lore of Battle Magic with the Ogre Blade, Armour of Meteoric Iron, 1x Favour(s) of the Gods, Extra Arm. Spell: Hammerhand.Place both models 25" away from each other and roll-off to determine who takes the first turn.Now then, to recant this tale...With a roll of 4, Dehumanizer takes the first turn!The gods, deigning to watch this pathetic display (and secretly hoping they would at least be somewhat amused...), saw fit to bless Dehumanizer with greater knowledge of the ways of war, increasing his weapon skill by 1. Not fearing the pathetic creature daring to stand before him, Dehumanizer doesn't dally and swoops in close by flying double time. He fears not Alvis' sorcerous "might"!Alvis, for his part, begins by reciting nought but the foulest incantations. First, a prayer to the pantheon as a whole. A prayer that was met with a resounding roar from the heavens: The gods were with Alvis this day, and his Leadership and Strength values increased by 1! Following this fortuitous blessing, he attempts to cast Daemonic Vessel and barely manages to stir the winds enough to heed his call! Emitting peals of horrifying laughter, Dehumanizer attempts to dispel the paltry sorcerer's cast and fails utterly! Bolstered by the winds of magic, Alvis' mutated and deformed body bulges with newfound vigour and strength, but will it be enough?
>>98327362Once more, he shrieks out towards the sky in an attempt to curry favour with his gods as he casts Daemonic Vigour, yet his gods do not listen! Failure, so often the mark of his time in the service of the gods, greets Alvis once again! Enraged, he attempts one final expenditure of sorcerous power, a spell that will befuddle and slow his foe, Gathering Darkness... and fails yet again! Seething with barely restrained anger, Alvis does the only thing he still can: He barks a command at his daemonic mount, a reminder of when the gods he served still saw fit to reward his grim deeds, and bursts forward in a cacophany of beating hooves and hurled invectives. He will either send Dehumanizer back from whence he came and reclaim his warband or he will die trying! The daemon prince, who had spent the last several seconds shrieking his pleasure at watching this puny mortal fail again and again, stood his ground. He wouldn't even use this sorcerer's skull to drink the blood of a worthier foe, for surely to drink from the braincase of such an imbecile would sour even the finest claret.Despite being emboldened by the speed bequeathed to him by his (very bored-looking) mount, both slaves to darkness struck simultaneously! Half-whispering, half-screaming, Alvis called upon his gods one final time, desperately pleading for aid in this great battle. With a barely-perceptible breeze, minuscule daemons flit forth from the sleeves of his robe to harry and nibble on Dehumanizer's biomechanical form. Five daemonlings' teeth and claws find their mark, but only one bites hard enough to hurt, miraculously bypassing the dread daemon prince's chaotic protections and inflicting a single wound! For his part, Alvis swung, clawed, bit, and even spat at his foe: No effort was spared! Yet every last one of his pathetic flailings were either evaded or parried with little effort from the great Dehumanizer.
>>98327360temporarily embarrassed tomb kings players, essentially
>>98327362>alvis buffing up>pic related
>>98327343I doubt that, besides the two games sustain each other, unlike 40k and HHif one falls the other is likely to follow and viceversa, the success of one helps the other
>>98327370Now would be the time of Alvis' reckoning. All who stood and watched knew this: A daemon prince is not a foe to be trifled with. Despite Alvis' drawing of first blood, the minor irritation of a mere flesh wound was no deterrent to an immortal monster. Casually, without a care in this world or the next, Dehumanizer battered the pitiable (or perhaps not so pitiable, for Alvis was a villain in his own right) sorcerer. Six times, Dehumanizer struck with an oddly-shaped weapon. Thrice did his weapon find its mark and thrice did it draw blood. And what blood it drew, for the accursed blade struck with such force that each wound inflicted was cavernous and gaping in the extreme, easily bypassing any mundane protection Alvis may have had. He would have to pray for the gods to save him now.The only response to his desperate prayer was the hollow laughter of uncaring gods. Of the seven wounds Dehumanizer inflicted upon him, all but four were deflected by the mysterious energy that guarded the sorcerer. Alvis, born as nothing more than the blind son of a butcher from Altdorf, later earning the epithet of the All-Seeing, now saw nothing at all once more. Yet now, 'twas not merely his sight of which he was robbed. His last thought was not of the fleeting glory he had earned in service of the gods. His last thought was of the home, the family, and the life of sanity and happiness he had forsaken long, long ago.Alvis drew his last breath with a disgustingly toothy smile slashing across the amorphous white lump that was his visage, somehow spared the savaging that wracked and ruined the rest of his body, regretting absolutely nothing.
>>98327374>if one falls the other is likely to follow and viceversaHaha, once the diseased tick that is AoS shrivels up and dies TOW will become stronger than ever.
>>98327360I'm confused. I wasn't bitching, I was providing my experience with both kinds of skeletons. I'm not against new models, I'm against frail spindly bits that are a pain to work with.
>>98327381Poor Alvis. Dude deserved better. Well, a bit unfair too as Dehumanizer got a buff from the Gods of GW.
>>98327374>the two games sustain each other, unlike 40k and HHThe only reason that doesn't occur in 40k/HH is due to GW's own decision
>>98327390To clarify, I used the pre-FAQ unit profiles for this duel.
>>98327397Not a big deal, still a demi god facing a juiced up gooey humie. I hope Alvis returns and Dehumaniser decides to murder others besides his fellow chaos worshippers.
>>98327391No, it's different here, fantasy units are way more interchangeable than sci fi units.A good kit for human soldiers can get used just fine by an aos player who wants a proxy for a swordman, and viceversa, meanwhile the marines between the two games aren't as equivalent and there's much more autism regarding what a weapon can reasonably count as.There are exceptions, and if gw decided to heavily hit tow by not even granting it legacy rules it would definitely feel way tighter, but it'd still be way easier to cross pollinate the two ranges.
They won't release a digital version of the new Rulebook, will they?
>>98327103In what way do they ignore regens? and they only auto hit behemoths, that’s very dumb I’ll agree
Perry
>>98327199I believe in your Dehumanizer
>>98327424Nope, they stopped doing that before Cathay was released
So what model would be best suited to represent these Wandering Mercenaries?
>>98327468Free Militia with weapons from bowmen or state troops kits.
>>98327468Looks like Free Company.
>>98327480Free company kit on it's either doesn't have enough Shield or Shortbows, so you would need to kitbash some other bits together
>>98327491Pretty sure that's the idea anon.
>>98327468frostgrave's soldiers is a plastic kit with enough equipment for that kind of stuff
>>98327491>If a unit uses shields, every single model has to have oneDo people really?
>>98327541It's not hard to buy random plastic shields,Victrix sells a pack of 56 for £12.
>>98327541that's the general assumption of the rule, yeah, you can get away with much less, but does the kit even have shields at all?
>>98327554FCM kit doesn't I think the original Mornheim release came with shields on a separate sprue
Which named characters are actually playable and you're not gimping yourself by wasting points for an overcosted char?
>>98327381Press S to shit on this nigger's graveS
you can buy "screw caps" for literal pennies. Or use brass pins. Or ask any other hobbyist to mail you an handful of unused shields.they're literally the easiest and cheapest thing to add/convert onto a model
>21 pieces for 1 infantry sized modeljust...why?
>>98327747'Cause it's cool and looks good. You a fag or something?
>>98327747Because people keep buying models designed like that.The model being 21 pieces, or expensive, or ugly or whatever is not enough of an obstacle to sales. So the company has no incentive whatsoever to change anything.
>>98327747Because that's how molds work.
>>98327747Why not?
>>98327618Miao Ying for one. Green Knight.
>>98326507>Units outside of core still can't scoreYou had one job, master James.
>>98327747Because like an onion she has layers
>>98327747to be fair you need a very high IQ to appreciate games workshop modelling techniques
>>983277471. To hide the mouldlines2. Minis have higher standards when it comes to detail nowadays
>>98327747>um my hero model character is infantry sized so it should be as detailed as infantry!!!a 2 piece mold can't create detail equally in all 3 dimensions
With resculpts of classic factions on the table how do you feel about GW inevitably adding woman models to the units?
>>98328173>my 700 point Timmylord on dragon can't score, fuck this gaem!Fag
>>98327618If you play Nuln, the one special dude they got.So you can get first turn to blow them up with hellblasters and cannon and your one unit of vet outriders
>>98328305it's a dealbreaker in most cases
>>98328305Do the new chaos warriors & marauders have women tho?Not counting the chainmaker lady she is a named character
>>98328317Cathay got models so I would expect the same for Brettonia and Empire when GW get around to updating those
>>98328317no, it doesn't seem like warriors have any helmetless head either, other than the sorcerer
>>98328305I mean lets be honest, SEXO
I have LONG said that a scoring unit must be the following> Above US 10> Close or Open order ONLY> Must have a banner (a unit with a BSB attached will count, the rare hero BSB on a monster that is somehow US 10 will count, I think it literally only applies to like a Stonehorn or something)There. Now your game is better.You want your min strength deck sitter to camp? Well you better position or protect them, because if something gets into them, you just lost 50 points (unless you are a Bretonnian player, who continues to have just about the best infantry in the game).Another one of my objectively correct ideas is that tOW needs to use the HH WS chart (so lower WS automatically hits on 5s). Elf fragility is almost instantly solved. Suddenly more elite armies feel more elite, and horde armies are more like hordes.
>>98328305Imagine what the beastmen would do to her if they caught her. Or the orcs
>>98328305New marauders not having women really gives me a lot of hope they won’t go full retard
>>98328345or dark elves, or other humans.
>>98328340The HH WS chart would skew the game massively at the moment, you'd need a lot of profile revisions
>>98328364No, the game would be fine as is.Every WS 4 infantry or cav model already massively overpays so it's fine.I might consider having vet state troops get WS4, and all gobbos need WS2.
>>98328331In the article in warcom describing the designing process of the chais warriors and knights, they used gender neutral pronouns to speak about the sorcerer/lord on dragon which I find very bothersome and not a good sign for things to come
>>98328372>marauders massively overpay for their stats
>>98326791>>98326811This is me but about lizardmen.
>>98328373The person writing their click slop is not the miniature designer
>>98326811It's fine. They had to Warhammer ize it anyway, they didn't do a bad job with the models. The fluff is horrific but the models aren't bad (to look at apparently they are hell to assemble and paint).
>>98328393The article was an interview with SDS members who designed the models though.
>>98328396The Jade Warriors are fine to assemble, but other like the Sentinel, are terrible
>>98328403The Sentinel is truly obnoxious to build from what I've seen, I have no idea what they were thinking.
>>98327409I hope Alvis returns as a disgusting Nurgle spawn for his failures. Kitbash him into a turd coming out of the Glottkin spawn's asshole.
I'm kind of tempted to buy a Tomb Kings starter for 170EUR and try to sell the old rulebook and Bone Dragon and keep the rest for Battle March. Is this reasonable? I know the units included are very basic but thanks to ancient sculpts it should be easy to convert and kitbash whatever I want.
>>98328423Who would buy the old rulebook?
>>98328305While id rather female models not appear in melee units at all, it might be ok if they want to introduce new all female units with rules that make sense. but adding females to all male melee units they can fuck off with that bullshit.
>>98328305The occasional witch is fine and flavourful, but women among frontline infantry destroys plausibilty even in a fantasy setting.
>>98328458Chud LARP in fake grogs is so funny xD
>>98328465I don't know what those words mean
>>98328345>Or the orcsthey have no penises tho
>>98328468nta>CHUDCannibalistic Humanoid Underground Dwellers but it mostly just means an insult of someone with rightwing poltical views online>LARPLive Action Role Player>Fake Grog aka Grognardold Grumbler aka someone who liked an older version of a thing
It vexes me greatly that daemon princes aren't allowed to use the lore of the shadowlands.
>>98326710That is legal though, they just get a disordered charge.https://tow.whfb.app/movement-in-detail/unable-to-align
>>98327381Poor Alvis, obviously all part of the the whims of Tzeentch.
>>98327173I think adding back winds of magic would probably help with that.
>>98328511Yes, but the entire rank doesn't get to fight because only one or two are in B2B contact and one or two more are within range for the categorically stupid way TOW determines who gets to fight.
>>98328488Doth it vex you, m'lord? Vexeth it thou greatly?
>>98328403They're pretty annoying if you go with halberds. You're juggling like 4 bits which only vaguely fit on the body.
>>98328586the halberds look ugly anyways. Just dont use them
>>98328403>>98328586>>98328595Is it possible to magnetize the jade warriors?
>>98328609Nevermind, I checked the instructions. You can indeed magnetize the arms, but you're supposed to cut off the sword handle for the scabbard if you're using the sword. It would look weird to have an empty scabbard with the halberd or a second sword, imo
>>98328627thye look weird anyways so what does it matter.
>>98328630It would bother me. I would rather just buy another box later on if I want the halberdsor print more bodies
>>98328631build 50/50 and the two front ranks or whatever will dictate whatever option the unit currently has
>>98328627Is it possible those are two different bits? One is a sheated sword while the other is just the scabbard?I'd ve very surprised if in a new GW plastic kit they actually make you cut/modify an existing component.
>>98328635nope
>>98328640From the thumbnail I thought we were sticking a head into the pelvis of somebody wearing a skirt
>>98328640Oh wow. Ok. Colour me surprised.But then can't you just build it without anything hanging from its side?
>>98328728It's part of the belt. You could cut the whole scabbard off I suppose.
>>98328742>It's part of the beltI always thought that the complaint against new GW models were mostly a meme. But fuck me if it isn't annoying to have such specific assembling requirements.
I have still yet to find a non legacy army i jive well with.I wish the legacy armies got any changes at all
>>98328859What are the legacy and non-legacy armies?
>>98328864Stop asking to be spoon fed
i hope they reintroduce skaven love those little rat cunts
>>98328902GW needs to reintroduce all the armies. TOW is just WHFB 9th edition, but they are afraid of it overshadowing AoS so they just treat it like a specialist game.
>>98328859So play legacy. With Renegades they are getting more support than GW provides. >>98328864Legacy are: Vampire CountsOgres Chaos DwavesLizardmenBasically the armies GW updated to 9th edition but has publicly stated that have no plans to support.
>>98328373It's not like female Chaos Warriors are a new thing. Gotrek and Felix fought one in, what, their second book? Not to mention Valkia
>>98328902I hope they reintroduce everything but Skaven.
>>98328902Just bite the bullet and buy the dying tranny game range and base them on squares. It's literally a 1:1 faithful update of the Warhammer models and they rank up fine.
>>98328909Yeah i do play Chaos Dwarfs but i feel like my army just doesnt square up to anything because the only things that are good in my army are Ironsworn and Iron Daemons. Playing with a 30 man Ironsworn brick is funny but not exactly fun especially when it costs the majority of my points.
>>98328345>>98328356chaos warriors are the only faction canonically confirmed to practice rape
>>98328916i already play a horde army so i am not buying another one, but i love their little machines
>>98328867Eat shit.>>98328909Thank you.
>>98328310>ProjectionYawn.
There are 60 peasants in the bret core box and 15 knights + 1 lord. Obviously the bulk of the peasants will be painted in the lord's colors. Half, let's say. I'm thinking I'll split (painting wise) the remaining 30 into 5 groups of 6 peasants with each group painted in a knight champion's colors, a knight standard bearer's colors, and one peg knight's colors.
>>98327200I don't understand why the quality of the models designing is all over the place in this gameBret foot knights look like thay could be sold as toys for 5 year olds but the lord on pegasus and the great banner bearer look fine and a good update to the traditional bretonnian lookCathay models look like something out of a Korean/Chinese MMO or even some gacha game but the Chaos marauders, warriors and knights are incredibly goodAre there really several teams with such different teams working on TOW ?
>>98329008Wait shit maybe I want some of the knights/knights command to be in the lord's colors. Obviously I'll need to draft a backstory on each dude before I can decide whether he's part of a retinue or has his own.
>>98329034>Cathay models look like something out of a Korean/Chinese MMOIt's the same with Helsmiths in AoS
>>98329034>Are there really several teams with such different teamssorry, meant : Are there really several teams with such different styles working on TOW ?
>>98329034The footknights and that one empire general are literally the only two new TOW kits that look like shit.
>>98329045> that one empire general the one on foot or the one on an horse ?
>>98329034>I don't understand why the quality of the models designing is all over the place in this gameI dont get why there is this perception of the aesthetics being all over the place. its been fairly consistent. Longma and bret peg both have the same design cues, the knights and the marauders both also share the same retardation, I think they finally reeled it in with the new chaos warriors for the weapon designs, but the armor design still looks fucking retarded, adaptation or not. Its all, been fairly consistent. I think people are just begging for something new/validation for their armies.
>>98329050The one on foot
>>98329045Id argue the only decent thing to come out of tow so far has been the retooling of that one high elf unit. Maybe the resin orc black orc boss too. Aside from that im not impressed with anything that has came out of these amateurish sculptors.
>>98329057what's wrong with it ?too cartoonish with the big bushy mustache ?
>>98328997You know that's what would happen if non-Core could score, you're not fooling me Buster Brown
>>98329065It's more that it looks like his proportions are all fucked up in general
>>98329065his pauldron is straight out of wow.
>>98329072People would actually play stuff like greatswords or flagellants. Keep your lord fantasies to yourself though, lil bro.
>>98329075>>98329077that's also what I meant by "cartoonish"also this >>98329040I would have said WoW rather thatn an asian MMOI noticed that some 40k characters are new showing the same proportions problem like the new Huron Blackheart modelSeriously, why and when did GW sculptors started using this style for their models ?
>>98329008>Obviously the bulk of the peasants will be painted in the lord's colorsThis is gay and lame. Paint them whatever color you—>6e plasticsOh... oh. Uh... sorry. Have fun, man. :)Poor bastard.>>98329034The design philosophy is all over the place. The Bretonnian Foot Knights look like shitty Fisher-Price toys, but the Chaos Warriors are a 10/10 faithful rendition of the classic 5th edition sculpts. I blame GW not taking TOW seriously at launch and then realizing later how feral grogs and TWW secondaries were for Warhammer Fantasy's return, that's why our first few batches of new sculpts were shit done by noobs.
>>98329110>e Chaos Warriors are a 10/10 faithful rendition of the classic 5th edition sculptsI mean they look like an AI upscale of them, maybe. Just being faitfhul doesnt mean they are good, just like how the og models were never good.
>>98329084>elite infantry and literal rare units like flagellants should be coreYou're gay and stupid
>>98329116tbf, orcs and goblins have that as an option for some reason.
>>98329113>the og models were never goodSacrilege! 5e chaos warriors best warriors!
>>98329110> I blame GW not taking TOW seriously at launch and then realizing later how feral grogs and TWW secondaries were for Warhammer Fantasy's return, that's why our first few batches of new sculpts were shit done by noobs.The necrolith bone dragon is awesomeAlso the Cathay line was a big investment end the first complete line for the game and yet they have that WoW style we complained about in the thread > I blame GW not taking TOW seriously at launch and then realizing later how feral grogs and TWW secondaries were for Warhammer Fantasy's return, that's why our first few batches of new sculpts were shit done by noobs.This is what they should have done with Brets, taking inspiration from the classical 5th/6th ed lookIt really feels like that since the beginning there are several teams or sculptors with wildly different styles working on the game
>>98329113>the og models were never goodOG Ogres and (some of) the OOOOOOOOLD Bretonnians from 3e are the only classic models I dislike compared to later renditions. Golgfag and the Mordheim ones were the best Warhammer Ogres imo, and Bretonnia came into its own in 5e under the tender, loving care of Stillman-sama (PBUH).>>98329121I greatly enjoyed your humiliation of Alvis the Blind earlier, Chaoschad. I await his spawndom eagerly.
>>98329130BEHOLD! SOVL!
>>98328924Where is this confirmed?
>>98329128>This is what they should have done with Brets, taking inspiration from the classical 5th/6th ed lookI hope GW gets its shit sorted and actually do that with mounted knights models when they release a complete line for Bretonnia
>>98329144this is literally Archaon's origin story
>>98329150qrd ?
>>98329146I've abandoned all hope of nu-GW not being retarded when it comes to new White human (redundant) sculpts. They pay top dollar for a "cultural sensitivity team" for Cathay but can't get fucking plate armor right for Bretonnia? Fuck this kiked company, don't give nu-GW a dime if you can help it.
>>98329153His mother was raped by a norscan
>>98328924Fimir, Beastmen, and Dark Elves as well.
>>98328924>canonically confirmedEvery faction including O&G rapes, they just do it for different reasons, and O&G might have to use tools depending on whom you ask. Orcs not having testicles doesn't mean they won't violate a captive in every way possible.
>>98329183>O&G might have to use tools depending on whom you ask. Orcs not having testicles doesn't mean they won't violate a captive in every way possible.I think there is an AoS novel about Gloomspites/Night Goblins which implies such a thing
>>98329171>Fimirthis is why they were squatted back in the 80s> Beastmen, and Dark Elves as well.I don't remember a single lore book or novel stating or implying such a thing
>>98329195Wrong thread
>>98329128you're exagerating for the Cathay modelssome models are actually quite good like the Gate Master and the lizard horse thing
>>98329217let's say the quality is rather random for the Cathay models
>>98329217>some models are actually quite good>Gate MasterThese models look and feel like they were designed for Middle earth. This is not a compliment. >lizard horse thingIts a hideous model all around stop talking please.
>>98328428People do for some reason. It seems that 10-15EUR is a valid price to ask for it. Asking for 50EUR for a Necrolith Bone Dragon doesn't sound insane either.
sorry for re posting from an old, long-dead thread but since everyone has been dissing the foot knights on this thread and others>>98284629>now that we know the foot knights were a weird fucking flukedoes anyone know what makes him think that ?do we have any inside info from a GW employee about why these models are so shitty ?
>>98329334No one here knows anything. We don’t even have any dedicated rumor mongers. It’s mostly a feeling that anon has which is more of a delusion.
>>98329150Also a detail in multiple of CL Werners' Chaos POV novels. He doesn't shy away from them being proper bastard Raiders when they're out on campaign.
>>98328924Really nigga, HUMANS don't rape?
>>98329381names of the novels ?
>>98328924Are you the goober from a few months back that was saying Slaanesh daemons don't rape?
>>98329344Did you guys know that one of the only somewhat reliable rumourwhores for TOW is from Québec?
i got an orc command set, how bad is gw resin nowadays? i've heard it's gotten better after forgeworld disappeared
>>98329477i haven't had any problems with it aside from one bent part i had to heat up
>>98329477Its pretty good, 100x better than finecrap
>>98329397No, no, you misunderstand. Humans don't PRACTICE rape. We know in our hearts how to do it properly. Chaos Warriors have to practice on each other. They throw their sweaty, muscular comrads to the cold ground, practically bare and bulging with muscle, then practice it with each other.
>>98329110> The Bretonnian Foot Knights look like shitty Fisher-Price toystrue, this also applies to these hideous dragons GW made for AoS a few years ago
>>98329084based
>>98329202Tyrion & Teclis books.
>>98329413Well, I definitely remember it from the Warriors of the Chaos Wastes compilation book, which contains Wulfrik, Palace of the Plague Lord, and Blood for the Blood God. From what I remember there's a relatively graphic description of a town getting sacked in the Wulfrik novel, but specifically for rape I remember that one of the other two novels, Plague Lord of Blood God, had that explicitly mentioned in the main character's dialogue, "helping ourselves to southling women" or some such. That's as good as I can do without flipping through a few hundred pages. Out of the three, Wulfrik is the worst. The other two are both pretty good, and are some of my preferred depictions of Chaos-worshipping humans in Warhammer. CL Werner does a remarkably good job with his Chaos POV novels, in my opinion. I know it's genre lit of middling quality, but he gets it right. The Chaos societies that he describes actually feel like real cultures, with traditions and laws that are despicable but not cartoonish. They have artisans, marriages, festivals, and they also happen to worship Chaos. His characters have emotions, and act like people, just very cruel people in cruel societies. (Which might make their cruelty all the worse, compared to a dumb fucking orc or whatever) It's the kind of evil that feels more real, compared to when I read Malus Darkblade or something that seems too impossibly pants-on-head retardedly evil of a society to stay running.
>>98327381Guess Alvis' soul will have to wander the Chaos Realms until he can concot another scheme
>>98327381Just as planned.
>>98329214Actually he's thinking of the skarsnik novel.
>>98329729Not him but nice to see another person who read CL Werner's Chaos novels. He is by far the best writer for them. Blood for the Blood God was my favourite with the best ending. Though supposedly there are two endings, but the one I read saw the MC face off with the antagonist. Just wish the Plague Lord novel had a better ending. Tzeentch is a prick. The rest was amazing, showing the limitless geometry and geography of the realm of chaos.
I want Dechala mini.She grew on me after seeing her make funny faces in WH3
>tfw the Australian James Workshop is so insane I can buy the new core set from a UK discount seller at current exchange rate and import for $50 aud and this is still my cheapest option by about ten bucks.Being Aussie is suffering
>>98329861Deserved
>>98329861Invest in a 3d printer imo
>>98329858The Dechala mini is old but not a bad representation of her current TW3 depiction. She was also quite ferocious on the tabletop.
>>98329861Nice, thanks for a reminder to check wayland games for the ripoff we getGuess I won't get into warhammer again>>98329879I 3D print napoleonics but idk if people tolerate it with warhammer?
>>98329858reaper miniatures has this model amongst its snakemen
>>98329934Depends on the army probably. Brettonia there is literally no reason to support GW. High elves, Cathay or Chaos might be more of an issue.
>>98329858It's just a generic D&D monsterhttps://duckduckgo.com/?q=marilith+stl
How soon is "coming soon"? Asking because WFRP's Sylvania guide was "coming soon" three weeks ago.
>>98330100between 1 day and 1 decade
>>98330100They announced the Core rulebook for 5e last year, and that still hasn't come out.Neither has Marianburg nor Wreckers point booksso it could be next week or it could be next year
Each army should be 500 point contingents led by a character. That way you pool them together into a grander host.Source: I made it up just now.
>>98330165The minimum contingent should be one unit, either led by a hero or by the unit's own champion that needs to be upgraded to champion+ in the absence of a hero (it gets one extra wound and +25pts in magic items allowance)
>>98330227Not the anon you're replying to, but the unit should be an infantry unit with a hero/characterful officer as core for the rest of the army to form around.
>>98330165Isn't that just a mode called Sub Commanders?
>>98329940>>98330034Ik, but I want her James to do justice with her actual appearance
>>98330313You won't get that, so you better look for other options.
>>98329034I disagree on the Cathay. They don’t look like something out of a Korean game at all. You should look at the actual designs those games use. Cathay is very much historically inspired. The only really shit aesthetically releases for tow have been the foot knights and the half ogre empire named character
>>98330344>You should look at the actual designs those games useThe designs are still horrible and do not run parallel with Warhammer. Historical influence or not, it does not mean it’s good. The turtles necks for example, are just about the ugliest fucking things about jade warriors. Maybe you could get away with them on the lancers, but for the infantry they just look like shit. The weapon designs are also forgettable, although maybe that’s a side efffect of being true scale while every other releases has attempted to be heoric scale for tow.
>>98330352I really don’t think they look like shit, but to each their own. Clearly your opinion is in the minority with how popular Cathay is, I and many other appreciate how the design team mixed cultural, fantasy and historical elements in the designs.
Sexy model, never saw it before.
>>98330404you’re a sexy model anon
>>98327468Warband it is!
>>98330352>The designs are still horrible and do not run parallel with Warhammer.I'd say they do. There is no one design brief for warhammer. All the factions have their own looks.>The weapon designs are also forgettable, although maybe that’s a side efffect of being true scale while every other releases has attempted to be heoric scale for tow.They look pretty heroic scaled to me.
>>98327468>>98330434And the fucking picture.
just getting started with empire, do i want to assemble empire state troops and missile troops in big squads of 30 or squads of 15? i got the old battalion box
>>98329202>>98329709It's much more explicit in the Malus Darkblade books. That first book opens with Malus having his crew rape a Bretonian lady just mind fuck a captured knight before throwing him overboard.
>>98330468Sounds dark as fuck, especially for BL literature.are they good or just shock value?
>>98330479Not him but i personally found the books boring overall. Malus is just a wannabe Eric.
>>983304452x15 for the ranged and 1x30 is what I’d do for the cc state troops. But you do you
>>98330492How were they boring? Genuinely curious. I found a lot of BL novels hit or miss, especially fantasy.Do you mean moorcocks Elric?
>>98330479Abnett does GW's best writing. Which isn't amazing but if you like grim dark adventure it's good.
>>98330492>wannabe ElricThat's like half the characters in the setting.
>>98330479Haven't read the others yet but I enjoyed the first book.
Hello, does anyone happen to have a good quality version of the 7th Edition Dark Elves Armybook? Better-looking than picrel, at leastUnlike the High Elves, where you can find easily their shields and heraldry in detail and more offen, the DElves are much harder; so far I was only able to find anything decent in their 7ed. Armybook. (picrel)
>>98330587Only really half the elf BL characters since it's kinda hard to be an Elric clone if you're a human or a dwarfElric clones were Abenett's speciality when doing WF stories since he also did those Gilead books
>>98330344I've read a lot of posts criticizing the foot knights but none so far about the Gastonne special character which has the same toy-like quality
>>98330506cheers
>>98330706>Gastonne special characterhe really does. I can't pin point what it is, but it really does have a bit of a toy vibe.
Any reason why vampire lolis/shotas couldn't exist in setting?
do you think we have to wait another year until we get a new release?
>>98330879Kill yourself.
>>98330895Nah, I think TOW is picking up steam. We've already heard rattling about Tomb Kings and rustling about Wood Elves.
>>98330879No reason whatsoever.
>>98330879Vampires in warhammer don't get their age frozen at the time of being turned into vampire, the vampire curse instead enhances their physical bodies so they effectively are in their prime for eternity.The little vampire would mature and then stop aging, if properly fed.
>>98330879>>98330895Kill yourself
>>98330913i don't think we will get much more this year outside of the Chaos release and TK/WE stuff.GW will focus on the rest of the year on 40k codex release
>>98330895No. There are rumors involving TK v WE battle march box and more chaos releases (chimera, giant, trolls) and older rumors about more Cathay releases coming. I think we See a stream of releases over the next year.
>>98330998I don't remember trolls being mentioned for chaos, only chimera, manticore and giantalthough that's all dumb
>>98330920Source
>>98330879Because it's not a mentally ill coomer setting.
>>98330913>>98330998anything about new bretonnians ?
>>98331077new stuff at some point according to rumourmongers but no details on what that would be so basically just guesswork on their part
>>98330781dresses are for damsels
>>98330916can love bloom between a loli vampire(1000 year old dragon) and a man?
>>98331092this is Warhammer, not an Anne Rice novel
>>98331082could someone repost a pic of these rumors ?
>>98331182
>>98331177Warhammer Vampires are pretty inspired by VtM Vampires, which are heavily inspired by Anne Rice's Vampires
>>98331092I doubt it. She'd mostly likely rip said man's head off.now a shota on the other hand...I'm kidding
>>98331092In Warhammer? No.Love cannot bloom ever, this is a wargame setting everything has to service the retardation needed for endless warfare.
>>98329110What's wrong with giving the lord the biggest retinue? And what's wrong with painting 6e plastics? Serious question
>>98331200>2026>javgoro as a source of anything other than bullshit
>>98331240It was the guy below him that mentions the Brettonian, Javago comment si just guesswork on upgrade spruces.
>>98331200nothing else ?
>>98331214Life is unfair in John Warhammer's world.
>>98331249Yeah, that's it. I guess Valrak said he heard something about Brettonia getting updates, but again, that is rather useless and vague as well
>>98331247Yeah and I somewhat rate curse too which is good news. I just wanted to spit on Jav given the chance. Attention seeking lying bitch.
>>98331200>>98331264>new knights come out>they double down on the foot knight look
The funny thing is, there's many pairings of human dude and vampire woman. Vampires are the closest to a waifu race in Warhammer since apparently all you have to do to make them happy is write erotic fan fiction about them.Worked for Kattarin and Genevieve.
>>98331335probably done since the writers want to avoid male humans with female elves
>>98331332don't jinx usbesides as that anon said >>98327200 there is reason to hope due to the fact that not all models in the original bretonnian release had that look and that with the recent chaos warriors, they clearly took inspiration from 5th ed, they might still do it as well for other releases in the future
>>98331067A khorne warrior was raped into following Slaanesh once
>>98329858My money's on her being introduced as the Slaanesh character later on in the games life.
>>98331398Yeah, but that's in line with the setting. loli vampires is just coomer hentai trash, not Warhammer
>>98330781He's acceptable, nowhere near as bad as the other Foot Knights. Main problem with him, just like the QK Paladin character, is the scale.
>>98331092Only if you're a shota vampire
>>98331332Yep.
Will that Warhammer Q&A have any TOW stuff or will it be just be 40k and AoS?
>>98331332>>98331448Considering Cathay and Chaos have both been fantastic, especially chaos, I am not worried at all. The foot knights were done probably years before TOW by someone who obviously doesn’t do the sculpts anymore
>>98331398what novel/book ?
>>98331485>The foot knights were done probably years before TOW by someone who obviously doesn’t do the sculpts anymoreI've heard that theory several times, but no actual proof to itthough i hope it's true
>>98331472What Q&A?
>>98331494GW is doing a Q&A in an hour. They have been collecting questions since the preview
>>98331497Well my guess is that if you ask a question about TOW, they will answer it.
>>98331485Don't care, already went all-in on 5e sculpts a year ago. If the new ones are actually good, I'll be pleasantly surprised and might even use both, but I'm telling you they won't be. I'm expecting 150% scale totally rancid shit with bad armour design, 6e mule-horses, stupid fucking shield motif FUCKING EVERYWHERE, and foids on horseback.
>>98331493The proof is all the releases we’ve had post launch, as I literally said
>>98331502I think the horses will probably be different The resin banner bearer model has a decent horse
just some simple chivalrous drip
>>98331493>>98331511you can add that bretonnian special character with the same fisher price vibe mentioned by other anons earlier in the thread >>98330781it was almost certainly designed by the same person who hopefully no longer works for them
>>98331398What???? This could make a funny comic if done right
>>98331493It's just cope (in the traditional sense)
>>98331531>total slop
>>98331077There are rumors about new Bret's that i saw was a "not brets" for gayos rumor that dropped when it was said gayos isgetting a full retcon of the lore
>>98331630>fun game bad because... just because okay!
>>98331531it's funny how even in total war bretonnia was largely ignored for so long
>>98331724That's the problem with being a FLC faction
>>98331740they are a FLC faction because they have jack shit to add to them, which is the same reason why they were ignored over the editions bretonnian fluff wrote them into a corner and bretonnian fans are worse masochists than empirefags
So they basically confirmed Upgrade sprues for the Chaos Warriors, then while saying they didn't know if it was happening
>>98331747>bretonnian fluff wrote them into a cornerIgnore the 6th edition lore rape. It's literally that simple. STILLMANIA Bretonnia is sovl of the highest order and rife with cool, non-retarded fluff.
If I'm playing Warhammer Fantasy, then I'm basing for Warhammer Fantasy. Goblin green and thicc flock. Flowers to taste
Continuing to finish my backlog.Up next(probably) chariots.
>>98331852very nice anon
>>983318175th ed bretonnia still doesn't give them enough freedom
>>983318175e bretonnia fluff is literally iredeemable trash
>>98331817I also preferred 5e bretonnia fluff. Reading the 5e and 6e army books back to back really gives you whiplash>>98331882Maybe not directly, but I think 6e fluff added a lot of harsh rules (lorewise) that shackles the faction's expansion.For better or worse I think TOW has already moved in the direction of ignoring what they don't like. Lords of the Lance had the female pegasus knights use bows, for instance. And on the topic of the total war version, it still doesn't have skirmishers or exile units. And wasn't there a rumored/canceled 8e book that added Questing beast knights or knights that went abroad to find exotic mounts? That's something, at least, unless I fell for a shitpost.
>>98331946Female knights is fine, doesn't bother me, it's fantasy, not historical.What DOES bother me though is that bitch on a Pegasus using a bow and arrow.
>>98331843Excellent greenery anon
>>983318825e Bretonnia is nothing but freedom. The only concrete lore they had was>Gilles and the Grail Companions>The Lady and the damsels>The Grail and the different chivalric vows/ranks>The Green Knight (later)>Louen is king>Couronne is his seat of power with the best horses and horsemanship>Mousillon is the evil shithole province run by his unacknowledged bastard and a bunch of disgraced ex-nobility (WFRP 2e—Barony of the Damned)>Lyonesse is the most martial/crusading one which hates Mousillon for a "mysterious" ancient grudge between two Grail Companionshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marguerite_de_Carrouges>Parravon is the rocky pegasus one>L'Anguille is the naval Man O' War one>Montfort is the "FUCK THE EMPIRE" one>Artois/Gisoreaux are the hunting/Beastman slayer ones>Bastonne is the dragonslayer one>Bordeleaux is the wine and mercantile trade one>Brionne/Aquitaine/Quenelles/Carcassonne are there too, I guessAnd a bunch of lesser known characters like the named dukes, Repanse, Henri le Massif, Tristan le Troubadour, Odo d'Outremer, Bertrand the Brigand, etc.
>>98331962>Female knights is fine, doesn't bother meSpace Marine rules. Fuck off tranny
>>98332002>foreigners, women and peasantssavage
>>98331511Your proof kinda proves otherwise cause Cathay and warriors look like absolute dogshit that I wouldn't want to touch. Fire forge Japan models have more character than the both.
>>98332002No one is talking about grail knights
>>98332010Only the thickest, solidest, tightest WHITE MEN of purest stock shall receive the Lady's blessings.Chad ONLY.
>>98330605What is Anvilguard iconography doing there
>>98332023the girth, imagine the sheer guuuuurth
>>98330515>MoorcocksSettle down gay boi
>>98332023ENTER
>>98332022Ironically female grail knights would be easier to justify than regular soldiers and knights, because they literally get superpowers from the Lady. Of course you'd kind of need to rewrite how Bretonnian society works either way, and probably end up with something much more bland.
long shot, does anyone have the original spell text from the Ice Magic and Slaanesh Magic cards from 4th/5th edition?I've found all the other lores on ebay, and whfb.app only has abridged versions of the spell text with none of the flavor.I'm putting together a full set of printable magic cards from that era and want to keep them as faithful as possible hence the question. happy to share them in here if anyone can help out.oh and if anyone knows of an official symbol for dhar (dark) magic, that'd be great too
>>98330605Actually, I may not need help anyone.Looked at the m3gå link and found the Armybook in question; it's in Russian, but the scan itself is better quality.>>98332026I don't know. I'm not familiar with AoS hackery.
>>98331224Humans in love produce a higher quantity and quality of children.
>>98332050>Ironically female grail knights would be easier to justifyNo. There are no female grail knights, and what few female warrior "knights" there are have to keep VERY hidden or risk >>98322335I think you're a TWW secondary who thinks Repanse is a Grail Knight. This is not the case. She is not a Grail Knight, she is the exception that proves the rule, a brazen woman knight, who is allowed to openly be a knight because of the Lady's personal blessing.
>>98332002Your argument only applies to Grail Knights. Female KotR make sense, not everyone can marry a Lord, someone might have ugly daughters, or only sons.Grail Knights being all male is fine, makes perfect sense that the Lady only grants this blessing to men, she only makes women Damsels and Prophetesses. Also not a tranny, you massive gimp
Question for 6e grogs: what's a better unit to take with a demonic mount chaos lord - a 10 block of normal chaos knights or a 6 block of chosen knights? More generally, are chosen knights and warriors worth it?
>>98331865Thanks!
Maybe we could make my dog a knight as well while we are it.
>>98332098There are no female knights who don't hide their sex. Go play Oathmark or whatever other lame shit, faggot
>>98332111Look anon, just say you've never touched a woman and move on. Female knights exist, we can agree none are Grail Knights. Now post some models or move on
>>98332002>>98332010whfb fluff used to be so basedI miss the 2000s so much /tg/
>>98332133>just say you've never touched a woman reddit argumentthe only female knights that exists have to hide their real sex if they want to keep living as knights
>>98332133>we can agree none are Grail Knights.So far, GW will probably end up doing some when they get around to doing more Brettonia content
>>98332133>s-say you've never touched a woman>post m-modelsexcellent arguments anon, truly the mark of a good-faith community participant with absolutely no agenda whatsoever
>>98332089That's not what I said retard.
>>98332157pic related >>98332002 and other similar proofs must be conserved at all costs to get sure that when the lore is changed beyond all recognition, secondaries can never gaslight anyone into thinking their version was always the norm
>>98332149That's fluff older than most hobbyists. The new kit literally has female knights, the newest fluff mentions them. They exist, I've given you very plausible reasons they can exist.>>98332157I doubt it. They threw a bone to the alphabet people with female Custodes and saw the fall out. Grail Knights are like Space Marines, they wouldn't risk it.
>>98332149>the only female knights that exists have to hide their real sex if they want to keep living as knightsthis is exactly what is stated in the book this pic >>98332002 comes from
>>98332002>>98332010>foreigners, women and peasantswhat would The Lady think of the alphabet movement ?
>>98332185It doesn't say that though. It litteraly says Grail Knights and then says there are knights that aren't Grail Knights
>>98332200gay males could potentially drink to the grail if they behaved in a manly way and remained chasteall trans categories would be ignored by the Lady and excluded from the Grail; those born female because they are women obviously and those born male because they don't behave as proper knights
>>98331852Lovely.How did you do the gold?
>>98332205other passages of the book mention iti don't have a screenshot of the lore bit but it say that women aren't allowed to be knights and must pass as men if they want to have a military careerevery once in a while, among dead bretonnian knights on a battle field, there is one who is discovered to be a woman in disguisethe book also say that bretonnian knight are very ashamed when they lose to foreign female mercenaries or when even when they won a victory to themthis is the most sexist society in the Old World
>>98332211D...D...DELETE THIS !!!!
>>98332228>when even when they won a victory to themsorry meantor even when they won a battle thanks to female allies
>>98332133Still assembling so not much to see. Forrens and foids >>>/OUT/
>Have a game of Battle March tomorrow.>Still don't have a proper transport case for my Bretonnians.>Realise I have to drive over and hour with them stored in the big stater box like a mook.
>>98332260And the knights
>>98332260Stillman would paint his models!
>>98332002Girls weren't even forbidden from taking knighthood until some wfrpg lore that led into 6e so unfortunately it falls under a gay and lame source and is not canon (to me, who is based)
>>98332296If wfrp doesn't count then warhammer barely has lore at all.
>>98332304>anon comes this close to learning the truth
>>98332294Stillman would finish assembling them first. Wot are you some kinda subassembly poof?
>stillmanninekhe was polish all along
>>98332296you're wrong anonthe 6th ed army book came before the wfrpg book and inspired it
>>98332002Grail Knights =\= knights
>>98332314Yes yes, you're such a cool fake grog.
>>98332345You seem to be suffering from PDS
>>98332401Must be some butthurt zigger. It's not the first time I've seen him whine about poles.
>>98332296WFRP1e lore was still on the assumption that Brettonia was 17th century france and not Chivalric romance Matter of Britain land.That only changed when WFRP2e came out in 2004 which then later got the Land of the Grail splat
>>98332200There's no modern chemistry producing genetic deadends so there wouldn't be any alphabet movement
>>98332401
>>98332098Female soldiers have never made any sense no matter how hard you try to push it. Female knights even less so.
>>98332503WFRP1e/Warhammer 3e lore was that the King of Bretonnia was some despotic maniac but otherwise the kingdom was noblebright. WFRP2e/Warhammer 5e lore was that the kingdom is fully noblebright but hinted at some repression of the peasants by (rarely) ignoble rulers. Warhammer 6e lore was that Bretonnia is a Monty Python / Medieval Times / Midwest Ren Faire stinking shithole populated by illiterate filthy inbreds. How hilarious! So funny and engaging that it killed the faction for good and it was never touched again for 20 years.
I'm okay with female soldiers in more outlandish settings or when judged as the exception, not the norm. I'm not okay with female soldiers when long established lore is against it. I'm am against female anything when its obviously being done as an ideological move and nothing else, which is 9/10 times these days.I am okay with waifu foxgirl shortstacks holding axes x5 their size.
>>98332571wfrp2e is post 6e and has some supplements full of that retarded stuff. But then again 6e is giga grim with everybody, the empire too.
>>98332595I'm okay with female chaos marauders.
>>98332603They're fine I guess
>>98332603only if they is fit
>>98332598Barony of the Damned is kind of borderline and its lore is isolated to Mousillon, which *is* the Monty Python shithole of Bretonnia. That's the only one I have experience with.
>>98332603No. Girls have cooties.
Im okay with female soldiers or whatever because im not dumb enough to have an army thats composed of boring humans.
>>98332634No one asked you, knife-ear.
The biggest distinction that I remember is that in 5e any nigga with some valor and some balls can take the knight's oath and in 6e they have the strict noble/peasant divide which I personall think is big gay and wildly less heroic. And the heraldry guide in the 5e army book is leagues better than anything after it
>>98332661>I remember is that in 5e any nigga with some valor and some balls can take the knight's oathYes, and thats retarded. "anyone can just become the landed nobility if they want to" does not work.
>>98332661>any nigga with some valor and some balls can take the knight's oathnext thing you know any nigga can be a women, too
>>98332620Aye. Cannae be the fat AoS kind.
I'm genuinely amazed how there's not a single digital version of the 8th Ed. Armybooks roaming around the internetThe fuck happened?
>>98332661>>98332675This applies only to Errants and requires them to go on a Slayer-esque suicide quest to defend an undefended barony against a significant threat, like a dragon, or in Bertrand the Brigand's case, a "Great Flapping Monster" (giant Chaos spawn)
>>98332690If they're anything like those 7e 40k books you don't want them anyway.
>>98332693Then it should end with a 100% fatality rate, and the system would be abolished because its just feeding untrained and poorly equipped peasants to dragons.
>>983326615e bretonnia has always been superior, yes.
>>98332675Knights aren't automatically landed just from earning knighthood in 5e or real life. It's a stepping stone. I think the 5e fluff also spoke about there eventually being too many knights and not enough castles so they'd go on quests to earn land
>>98332706That's the "so noblebright it gets dark" charm of 5e Bretonnia. Like the other example I posted of two honorable men planning to duel to the death because they won't accept credit for an accomplishment. 6e/TOW Bretonnia is stripped of all subtlety and nuance and is just this raped low IQ parody of medievalism.
>>98332718>Knights aren't automatically landedIt is however a higher status to peasant. 5e also did actually have the local landed lord and lady be randomly chosen from among the peasantry at tournaments, which is so retarded I genuinely wonder if it was supposed to be a bit "we can put anything we want in the book and retardes will buy it"
>>98332723>6e/TOW Bretonnia is stripped of all subtlety and nuance5e bretonnia does not have any subtlety and nuance to lose. It was the flattest and least interesting element you could have in a setting, outdone in complexity and grit by the generic kingdom from any given disney fairy-tale
>>98332675Giving a small keep and land to a guy who took up arms and defend a village against orcs or a troll so he can keep defending the village works very well. That's how things worked in the first place.
>>98332741>That's how things worked in the first place.Yes, back in the early post roman-collapse when europe devolved into warlordism and "guy with armor and spear" was enough to make yourself the local ruler for a village. And then these guys with armor and spear established the feudal system and things got much more stable. It does not work once you have kingdoms and established hierarchies in place, and the local peasant armed with a stick and a bucket for a hat isnt going to be made the local governor. Villages do not come with empty castles theyre just struggling to fill. Land is not just sitting there waiting to be claimed. If there is a castle somewhere its because someone built it, that someone lives in that castle, and has clearly got a LOT of resources because castles are fucking expensive to build and maintain. That guy has those resources because he has a position of authority, and his family have likely had that position of authority for a very long time. And he isnt going to be interested in handing it over because the local harlot decided her boyfriend should go kill some wolves for her.
>>98332767I hate people who half think shit and force me to spell everything to them. Especially when it has already happened in history so it's already all there to read and understand.
Imagine how cool it must be to see trolls coming out of the woods to fuck your people's shit up and then you get to signal a bunch of knights to ride out and charge them.Peak Bretonniacore.
>>98332788and then they die because lances are the worst thing you could possibly use against a troll
>>98332767This is without even getting to things like>the fairest maiden in any given village is one quest away from becoming a landed lady Which is just fucking hilarious. This power of station isnt even something like "the king has placed a bounty on the dreaded beast of chateau-giscard, the man to bring him the monsters head will be allowed to keep the castle".Emma the 7/10 butchers daughter can just decide that whoever retrieves her stolen underwear is now a minor noble in the feudal hierarchy. You could of course "steelman" the whole mess by suggesting that this knighthood is functionally purely ceremonial, and that it means fuck all and confers no lands or proper authority. But even that is ridiculous. And the alternative, where it isnt just one big farce (in universe, its one outside of it regardless) is unthinkable. "sorry lady suchandsuch, but the new lady is darcy the weaver because she was voted most fuckable by the villagers and she asked that someone kill the local troll, so theres now a new local knight and lady and they kinda need your castle, do you mind moving out by the fortnight?"
>>98332767You're screaming at clouds. The fluff those anons are talking about is from 5e's early knightly history, before there were any real lines of nobility. The first peasants who became knights would become landed. Castles would eventually be built. The landed knights are tasked with defense of their land. If they died with no heir, a new peasant could rise up to knighthood. The villages chose the peasant defender by giving him portions of their food so he grew up big and strong. In later years of history when the land was all carved up this process would just make knights errant, not immediately landed lords, and the newly knighted would have to prove themselves before taking land or higher title.Or at least that's the gist of it. Been a while since I read the army book. Maybe I'll reread it later tonight, inspired by this thread.
>>98332788wrong pic btw
>>98332826Anon I am talking about the lore in the image, the one that says they still practice that stuff.Yea, obviously in the days of tribal villages the first knights would simply be the primitive warriors capable of enforcing their will through "I have weapons and armor".
so i take it we didn't get anything from that Q&A
>>98332826>In later years of history when the land was all carved up this process would just make knights errantSo, which villagers feel like donating the armor? Theres a reason people didnt just decide they were knights actually irl. Being a knight is expensive.
>>98332842They find it in secret shrines dedicated to The Lady out in the wilderness.
>my minis have been sitting in my town's USPS distribution center for two days with no other update on tracking info>if they don't get delivered tomorrow then I lose the entire weekend of hobby timeI'm going to go back in time and beat benjamin franklin's ass
>>98332681ze lady willz in ze mysterious wayz
>>98332849Why would the shrines be secret? Surely the location of the metal-dispensary would be widely known and remembered.
>>98332838Bad/neutral news for Ogre fans is that it seems they won't be making new Maneater and Leadbelcher models
>>98332883the new hunter unit with crossbows presumably gives you a suitable ranged unit to run your leadbelcher or maneater models as proxies if you need to, so its not the end of the world as far as aos goes. and obviously it has zero impact on whfb unless you somehow missed out on the ogre models for the last 20 years. but even then, the secondary market is loaded with them for cheap because they've been around forever and came in several aos deal boxes
>>98332767I don't know how big you think castles were in the middle ages but the overwhelming majority of them, for the local nobles, were just a small wooden tower. And most nobles were just living with the peasants.There's been an infinity of nobles because the vast majority of them were just poorfags who just had priority on what game to hunt in the surrounding woods and some food/money from the nearby village of 50 people, part of which he had to send to an actual ruling noble.
>>98332933>ages but the overwhelming majority of them, for the local nobles, were just a small wooden tower.Which was still expensive as fuck. Even a primitive hillfort required insane resources to build and keep, and the bretonnians are not living in primitive hillforts.
>>98332868'Cause magic makes them move around, silly! It's not a quest if you know where to go!
>>98332959>a few trees>expensive as fuckbro nobody's buying anything, people are just building a tower the same way they built houses in the villagesyou're so fucking retarded I swear, you're literally unable to even understand what's life outside of modern days
>>98332972>people are just building a tower the same way they built houses in the villagesDo you think houses were free? Yea dipshit, people "built towers", guess what, getting a load of people to gather resources and then work those resources to construct a thing is an intensive and time-consuming process, and guess what, that means its expensive. Chopping down trees, digging moats, working the foundations. getting stone. All of that stuff costs something, castles are not free you retard. Real life isnt minecraft.
>>98332838mostly stuff we knew already>Chaos dragon kit can be separated from the Chaos lord, Sorcerer, and throne, so you can just use it as a dragon on its own>Battle March boxes are all designed around 600 points, and I think they said they will come with a basic muster list in the box >something about Orion and getting more stuff about him at some point(they kinda waffled though that one)> They noted the new Chaos Warriors are "very suitable" for upgrade sprues but didn't outright say they were getting anyi was surprised so much time was spent on Necromunda, but considering how everyone panicked about it being streamlined and mass squatting, I guess that's to be expected
>>98332989Completely brain washed.
>>98332972What a low IQ post
>>98333014>t.low IQ
>>98333023>no you!How embarrassing. Anyway, processed building materials are time-consuming and expensive to make, and you need to hire engineers and big teams of people to build a big structure, just like today. Even if the work is done by your soldiers and you just need to keep them fed and boozed, that's not cheap, even if it's just a big wooden fort you're building. Now make it a stone structure like a castle and you're looking at decades of labor by highly skilled craftsmen. >inb4 "but that's just rocks, those are free, just stack them up cuh"
>>98333042Listen you fucking mongoloid, there's no notion of fucking expensive or time consuming because nothing is fucking competing for people's time, there's no productivity, there's no industry or giant permanent market. Peasants do fuck all the majority of day AND a third of the year.Nobody's fucking paying anyone. In a fucking village of 50 people, a few people are just going to chop wood and build a small tower within a couple of months with all their free time and free labor that nothing is competing for BECAUSE IT'S NOT AN INDUSTRIAL CAPITALISTIC ENVIRONMENT YOU RETARDED CUNT
>>98333073>the economy didn't exist until the industrial revolution and materials and labor were free before then because... BECAUSE THEY JUST WERE OKAY?!You have fucking sent me with this. Thanks for the laughs man
>>98333082That's a sad attempt to save face but it's also not very surprising.
>>98332853What minis? This will decide whether I empathize with you or laugh at you and call you a fag
>>98332807>slam into its heart, weakening it>dismount and chop its fucking head offEZ
>>98332729Nah, it was there, it was just lost on (You).>complexity and gritYeah, no shit. If you want that, go for Empire. Let Bretonnia be its own thing without this 6e flanderized Medieval Times faggotry.
>>98333073>there's no notion of fucking expensive or time consuming because nothing is fucking competing for people's time, there's no productivity, there's no industry or giant permanent market.Oh god youre a moron. No, people did not sit around doing nothing under Samuel P.Jobs invented the concept of "work" in 1873. Peasants spent their time working, because everything was work that needed to be done and they lacked the modern time saving tools we have to do it for us. Even once you finished doing your "job" (the thing you are obligated to do for your lord and which is your main source of income) as we would understand it (farmwork for the most part, which isnt easy no matter how many idyllic fantasies you have), your work was not finished. You would chop firewood for your house, clean, do the laundry, fetch water, feed the animals, repair the fence, repair the roof, fix your tools, move your produce, do whatever you did as a "side gig" to support yourself because youre a dirt poor peasant, rest (because - and this may shock someone as brain rotted with revisionism as you - farm labor is hard work). The medieval peasant did not sit around with literally nothing better to do, to the point that he would willingly build enormous structures for free on his off-time. There is a reason villagers lived in hovels and huts and not towers. There was ALWAYS something that would and could compete for their labor, and there was ALWAYS a motivation needed to provide this labor. Castles were not built on goodwill.The construction of a keep or tower or whatever "small" fortification you want to try and move the goalposts towards was also not "a couple of guys got together and did this in their free time". Its a planned top down project that requires skilled craftsmen and lots of different tools, resources and planning. You would get engineers and architects, land surveyors and organizers. These skilled workers would in turn require compensation for doing their job.
>>98333130>Yeah, no shit.>if you want complexity go to some other faction, I want bretonnia to be flat and gay and lame! They should be as one note and flanderized as possible!
>>98333141No.https://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/users/rauch/worktime/hours_workweek.html>moving the goalpostAlso no. I literally only every talked about a small wooden tower.>>98332933
>>98333165>No.Thats cute. You pointed to their legal required time of work as if it matters. Because you fundamentally dont understand what is being talked about. And think that peasants have nothing to do outside their jobs like modern people do. Because your understanding of the world is so stunted that you see "they had a bunch of holiday on paper" and think thats the same as modern paid time off.
>>98333191> legal required time>bro thinks peasant had shiftsYou might be extremely retarded but at least you're funny.
>>98333207Anon what do you think "holiday" means? Do you think peasants just worked whenever they felt like it and those days were just days when they didnt feel like it? I know youre retarded, but surely even you arent that stupid. Peasants had to work for their lord, and there were limits on how hard a local lord could work his peasants.
akchually villagers in rural areas would be expected to help out with town projects, with the most obvious example being the harvest of the farms in the area. they would often not be paid money for this aid, but they'd get some of the harvest, goodwill, and the help of the neighbors for harvesting their own fields. similarly they would also help with construction projects in town. this doesn't mean everyone in town would be expected to be a mason or carpenter, but they'd help out in a way they could so that the town could rest easy knowing that the construction would finish before harvest/winter/whatever seasonal deadline they had. but the point in this post >>98332933 that I think should be highlighted is that towns would put up what defenses they could or thought was necessary with poorer or less capable towns ending up with shittier and less sturdy towers or palisades. in warhammer world they'd definitely want something up and it seems like the knight in the village would be in charge of manning it even if it was not a structure he could live in. while trying to be objective i don't think this is an unreasonable interpretation at all
>>98333227>with poorer or less capable towns ending up with shittier and less sturdy towers or palisadesHow can that be? Theyre free!
>>98333219Hahaha you're the gift that keep on giving. Bro literally thinks holiday means vacation from work and not a holy day dedicated to religion.
>>98333232Less people.
>>98333232fewer people and less money means less access to knowledgeable tradesmen
>>98333233>Bro literally thinks holiday means vacation from workIn this context? Yes you retard, thats literally what YOUR position is. >holidays arent mandated time of work, but im going to bring them up in context of "peasants worked less because they had holidays" anyways because reasons!
>have a degree in medieval history>Watch two anons on 4chan argue past each other about peasants
>>98333250>he can't even readBased retard, god bless anon.
>Burger hours>Thread IQ plummets
>>98333121gyrocopters
>>98332623>Barony of the DamnedI loved that bookMallobaudes the black knight was a better Archaon than Archaon himself
>>98332992>something about Orion and getting more stuff about him at some point(they kinda waffled though that one)more details ?
I wanna include a spider or spiders in my spooky woods themed vc armyWhat are my best counts-as options?
>>98333604Wga or slthe goblin side riders
>you can build the Chaos Dragon without either rider and just have a big DragonThat’s neat.
>>98333665I don’t understand what that means, does it mean galruch is replaced?
>>98333670They seemed to have said counts as Galruch being an option, I suppose if you want your brick of Lead you’d better buy him soon.
>>98333604>What are my best counts-as options?Arachnorok would make a sick base for a mortis engine, though you'd have to get creative getting if down from 100x150 to 50x100. But prety much any giant spider from any manufacturer would work for a unit filler, or for crypt horrors.
>>98333650I mean unit profiles to let me include a spoider, hence counts-as
>>98333789You could use them as dire wolves or a spider engine or a corpse cart or even a vampire lord.
>>98333156If your idea of adding "depth" is turning them into shit-smeared Monty Python retards, then fuck off.>>98333252What is your favorite Bretonnia iteration O learned man of letters?
>>98333289My condolences Dawichad. May they reach you safely and speedily.>>98333348Archaon lacks any depth whatsoever. Mallobaude meets the bare minimum baseline of "kind of interesting with understandable goals." But yes, a fantastic campaign/lore supplement. Also, apparently pretty well known. Mossa has done a bunch of pieces of the mad damsel from it, they're breddy good, picrel.This is not a loli btw, just a very underfed and sickly foid.
>>98333845Mossa ?
>>98333861>he doesn't know
>>98333348>better Archaon than Archaon himself
>>98333816I'm more of an Empire man desu. I leaned more towards late middle ages and reformstions. Personally, I think pretty much any interpretation of Bretonnia is valid. The middle ages and feudalism covers more than a continent and over a thousand years of history, and wood look very different depending on the place and time. Bretonnia is a mash up of all those elements with fantasy and pop-history thrown in. I would learn more towards the psuedo-historical Authurian stuff personally. The grimmer Monty Python stuff is a bit too silly to me. Like if there was some dark god of mud and fucking over peasants deliberately making things shitty it would make more sense. But it seems kinda tonally discordant to have a faction based on chivalry, honor and knightly virtue be more oppressive and cruel than the real world analog.
Archaon is lamer than Skeletor. His artifacts make him so overpowered that nothing in the setting is a threat to him, he's like Hot Topic faggot Superman but without even the Kryptonite element to give him some suspense. He just auto-wins no matter what. He never makes plans, he never has to strategize, he just walks in and murders everything and wins. Fucking Grimgor is more interesting of a character, at least he's entertaining sometimes. Rey from TFA level Mary Sue faggot. I wish Storm of Chaos was canon just so Archaon could be humbled for once and have to lick his wounds, reassert himself over his hordes, or otherwise re-strategize, just SOMETHING to give this lame faggot some depth.
>>98333908Still better written than Abaddon over in 40k.
>>98333885>I would learn more towards the psuedo-historical Authurian stuff personally.Based.>But it seems kinda tonally discordant to have a faction based on chivalry, honor and knightly virtue be more oppressive and cruel than the real world analog.All of it stems from bong-frog animosity. Stillman handled it tactfully by blending the HYW "proud French knights with professional footmen" background and aesthetic with Arthurianism as you pointed out, but Anthony Reynolds fucked that all up in 6e and went full retard with "LOL the French R smelly xDD," which—what a surprise—does not make for an interesting faction. I have no idea how or why GW would sign off on making what is effectively an /int/ shitpost into the official lore for a faction they are actively trying to sell, or allow it to inform the design of those models by actively making them shittier. It's no small mystery Bretonnia shit itself and died after 6e.
>>98333940Just look at the difference in the art between these two editions, and you'll see my point.5e...
>>98333948...and 6e.
>>98333948>>98333949The shift from 5th to 6th was pretty dramatic for the whole franchise. The 5th ed rulebook was full of these bright, colorful little illustrations showing silly things happening in the margins, marginally related to the rules on their page.
Then 6th ed came out and it's like GW hit its edgy 90s phase just as the 90s were leaving and it was all gritty, dirty-looking art all the time.And I don't hate it. I got into Warhammer in 6th ed, so Karl Kopinski's art is the most defining to me. But I can see how that huge shift in aesthetic from silly and colorful with a slight edge to Tolkien but GRIMDARK would put some people off. Alas, 40k was outselling Fantasy and GW thought by going as grimdark as the 41st millennium they could catch some of those sales.
>>98333604Spider rider spiders fit on the same bases as dire wolves and it doesn't take much to cover up where the rider would sit with greenstuffI really like WGA's spiders but they're a bit too wide so you'd have to use them as swarms or unit fillers
>>98333984My feelings on this are mixed. I love 5e cartoony Warhammer and feel it's the trve spirit of Warhammer (>>98333972), but I also enjoy Mordheim and Vermintide and Barony of the Damned, which are Blanche-esque grimdark to the max. I think I prefer the grimdark tone but the cartoony style, if that makes sense, which I think Vermintide specifically does a fantastic job of getting across. My main issue with 6e-TOW Bretonnia isn't that it's dark and edgy, it's that the models look like total fucking shit.
>>98333604giant spiders that count as vargheists, the fly rule and the ability to crawl over obstacles is kinda equivalent
>>98334111>>98334111>>98334111Now with title!
>>98334013>I think I prefer the grimdark tone but the cartoony stylea daring synthesis
>>98329116>Reading comprehensionKill yourself retard.
>>98333908>Archaon is lamer than SkeletorSkeletor isn't lame at all so yeah
>>98332133Found the performative male
