Titles? Who Needs 'Em? Edition>Resources:WFB: https://pastebin.com/qVGrgwwhWM: https://pastebin.com/EsDAgebaWFRP: https://pastebin.com/inbyBsR6Novels: https://pastebin.com/PFqPDr0H>TOW:https://gofile.io/d/fxFgXShttps://www.warhammer-community.com/downloads/warhammer-the-old-world/>Warhammer Chronicles:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/0xt777 (dot) zip>Time of Legends:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/q46ut6 (dot) zip>The End Times:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/j7d0t5 (dot) zip>Battle March General's Compendiumhttps://mega.nz/file/tP5STCAS#4yDuu8WLk-Mn4Ut2pe7x7AWwxJmEjXW5cvV0xtwMWD4>Alternative Models:https://pastebin.com/xPeM9szL>Previous Thread:>>98326507>Thread Question:What rules do you want to see change at the moment? Point costs, poison, magic, special rules, etc.
Renegade Crowns looks incredibly fun, will I be shooting myself in the foot creating a narrative force for them for ToW?
>>98334131In my experience playing against Renegade Crown lists, they're a jack of all trades but master of none sort of faction. They can be fun and give you a good variety of toys to play with but they'll never quite be competitive. And I don't mean just in terms of tournament play. You'll win some battles but as soon as someone figures out how to play to their faction's strengths, you won't have enough power to keep up.
>>98334131I would go for it but collect more of one (Empire/Bretonnia) than the other. Could do a fun Shadow of the Horned Rat-esque force with a primarily Empire army reinforced by some Bretonnian knight allies, or a Bretonnian force with some Empire mercenary gunners in their employ. Approaching TOW with a narrative in mind, it's hard to go wrong.
>>98334144>>98334145Thanks lads. I was going to play mercenary Empire , however the Renegade Crowns are dripping with narrative flavor and I love Bret knights.
>>98334148Go for it. You'll never truly lose if you have fun with something.
>TQMake them interesting >Elaborate I dunno just make them interesting
>>98334145How warm do you think that helmet gets with lit candles and wax melting on it?
>>98334152Why I oughta...>>98334172Not very, unless he lit them all at once and they were all getting short.
Alright fellas voting is completed for the August painting challenge and infantry won by quite a large margin, so we will all be painting a unit of infantry for our dudes. I was planning on having a poll to decide on a "theme" but I'll admit I'm struggling to come up with enough ideas to have specific themes for infantry. If anyone has any suggestions for themes let me know, otherwise we might keep it simply - just complete any unit of infantry. Let me know what you think Remember, the rules are simple >get a model or unit that matches the theme of the challenge (Infantry)>you have the entire month of August to complete it>post you completed project here, at the end of the month we will vote for the winner!>no prize, just glory and personal pride>winner won't be who has the strictly best painting technique, but who a combination of painting, adherence to theme, overall effort and SOVL, etc.Some infantry specific rules >must be full unit >don't forget the bases and associated tray are considered part of the model and should be painted as well!
>>98334211Challenge accepted.
>>98334211Painted..I got some half done stuff, would that count or od we need to build it new and get it ready for late August?
>>98334258It doesn't really matter I suppose as long as you have a completed unit to submit by the end of August! The whole idea of the painting challenge is just to give people a reason to get some more models painted
>>98334292Then count me in.
>>98334111Frenzy gives you the +1 attack always. You lose frenzy anyway if you lose combat so its self fixing.Change volley fire from firing in extra ranks to being a bonus to BS equal to the number of ranks in the unit even if moving. Makes hills super fucking good and fixes lots of problems with skirmishers.Add a few more low cost magic items that only champions can take like something that just gives +1 ld for 10pts, +1 battle rez for 25, or a pistol that lets you kill a friendly model to fbigo instead of flee for 10.
>>98334307>a pistol that lets you kill a friendly model to fbigo instead of fleeWrong setting.
>>98334307Those Battle March items are pretty flavourful, more fitting for unit champions that the usual 'common' magical items.
Maybe I should paint my old Skull Pass forces and try some BM for the first time. Just gotta figure out what to do with all the broken spear tips.
>>98334347>Just gotta figure out what to do with all the broken spear tipsOne of my 3e Bretonnians has a blunted lance tip and I'm wondering the same thing. Might be best to just sculpt a point back on.
A friend recently celebrated his 50th birthday so we bought him a "little" present. He plays whfb for more than 25 yearsy he was really happy with the castle.
>>98334516Sounds cool until you need to store it somewhere and it ends up at the dump
>>98334516Nice gift man. >>98334524No need to be so negative
>>98334526Just being realistic, the wife's gonna sperg til he throws it away.
We havo bought the 3d printer castle, painted it and made the hill (which is not finished yet, we miss the part to access the castle and the bridge).
>>98334524We have plastic boxes and our gaming group have a 50m2 room where we have shitton of wh terrain and board games. So no dump my positive anon
Castle greyskull POV :)
>>98334530As you can see in the backgorund here, we have storage shelves with plastic boxes. In that way dust do not fall on the terrains.
>>98334516it might be a bit big and thick for a game of regiments, but it would be a blast to have a skirmish scenario for it, like a nighttime assault
>>98334516Looks great, would storm and sack with my orcs
>>98334687The guy that made the hill is currently painting an ork army. Do not worry, it will be stormed by them :D
>>98334211Do people really need some random ass polls and an entire month to paint a unit of dudes?
>>98334516>>98334536>>98334554>No enclosures for the cows inside the castle.A fatal mistake: the beast herd will grow out of control, thanks to your cows.
>>98334516That's a hell of a birthday gift
>>98334111>three coats of gloss varnishjesus christ
>>98334111>TQ>Halberds should have fight in extra rank>Volley fire should allow two first ranks to fire, then rounding up the ranks behind them>No more partial hits on template weapons, if the template touches your base, you're hit
>>98334111Ensorcelled weapons should work on all nonmagical weapons, rather than just hand weapons.
>>98334880Good call!
>>98334307>+1 battle rez for 25Thats already a thing, its the banner of +1 combat res.
>>98334880I really dislike all the special rules that only apply to "hand weapons". I dont think it adds much and creates a lot of feelsbad moments
>watching yesterday's Q&A>only one question on the show that had nothing to do with the summer preview releases>It's a question about Orion and Krawlmaw and if Orion is coming back in the SpringWOOD ELVES NEXT UP, YOU HEARD IT HERE
>>98334886Its obviously going to be "Very strong" - not that WoC really cares, because its still the dragonlord army and no one uses their infantry still. But as it stands, you have four weapons options and no reason to use anything but HW+S ever, because you lose a special rule to do it. Halberds arent "Ap and strength but no shield" and instead become "same Ap, but you gain 1 point of strength in exchange for losing two points of armor". Its just not interesting and makes for poor listbuilding. Make EW work on all mundane weapons, maybe increase some points costs here and there if youre worried the knights would end up too good with Ap-3 lances. Itd also be nice if marks were fixed, because as is theres basically no reason to ever take one. Theyre such niche benefits that theres no point in ever taking one. Especially since MOCU is close enough to veterans, a rule that is fairly good and costed at 1ppm. So those niche marks are actually 3ppm and not 2ppm.>>98334898Yea, it just doesent make for very interesting gameplay and always "feels bad" because its a thing you lose whenever you upgrade. It punishes you for going extra. Its fine on some units, namely as a way to have some units (that are meant to only have hand weapons) to feel a bit punchier now that S and AP have been decoupled. But its not great design imo. Tbh im not a fan of the total decoupling in general. It feels wrong that an S8 great weapon and a S5 great weapon have the same AP.
>>98334906Halberds were changed last year, they're now Str +1 and AP1 always (with armor bane 1). But still no real reason to use them over great weapons.
>>98334944Yea, they were changed to be Ap2 on the charge. But is that conditional +1AP (over just a hand weapon) worth it? Idk.
>>98334516Looks great I love the cows and the drunken tree.
>>98334982Depending on the strength and base saves of the model, base 1AP and 1S is fine. Remember not all units get all weapon options. Tomb Guard do great with Halberds for example
>>98334111Lord, if you ever catch me gloss coating fantasy take me out and shoot me.
>>98334145why couldn't they design foot knights which look like that ?
>>98334903Timestamp? Big if true
>>98334148Why limit yourself to one?
>>98334989I am talking about chaos warriors. Who are S4 Ap-1 by default with EW. So the benefit of the halberd over the hand weapon is just +1S (and losing the massive benefits of a shield, and now the +2I for the chaos gift)
>>98335027https://youtu.be/_rvuS7Jq4YE?t=15m44s
>>98335100Considering this is an advertising stream I am now 100% certain wood elves refresh is coming as the next big thing
I don’t have it within me to pretend to care for wood elves
more cathay please
>>98334111I hate how autistic everyone's gotten. The nerds of the 90's realized OP image was a humorous and hyperbolic summary of the article preceding it. Now people think he was being 100% serious. Kinda like how when GRRM was making a point about how he wanted to do a realpolitik fantasy story and everyone thought he was actually annoyed that Tolkien didn't talk about Aragorn's tax policy. >TQI basically want the 6E/7E magic rules back. I don't want a level 4 wizard to be mandatory. Sometimes I want to just rock out with multiple level 1-2 wizards casting buff spells or go purely defensive with a level 1 wizard carting around two dispel scrolls.
I genuinely don't really care for the WElves.GW should instead dedicate their time into bringing the Druchii into TOW, with a new model range.
>>98335100https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rvuS7Jq4YE&t=944
>>98335155I'll care about them even less if they chicken out of the forest spirits because aos focuses on them by making bullshit like>the forest is eepy in this time period!
>>98335179Dark elves are worse than WElves and not a real faction though. tough luck.
>>98335194They are worse in so far as they never got equal attention as the HElves, WHEN THEY SHOULD!It's ridiculous that the High Elves are in TOW, and yet there's not a single mention regarding their darker opposite.
>>98335181>They also directly mention the War of the Three Emperorsintersting
>>98335208Well high elves are kinda lame too, just not as lame as wood elves. >>98335188Honestly they’ll probably do that and just expand on the hobo diplomacy or whatever wood elves have turning them into discount high elves.
>>98335178>Now people think he was being 100% serious.And you're accusing other people of autism? It's a bit you dumb cunt.
Alright anons I have a question.I'm now in possession of an elven bolt thrower, and was looking for ways to integrate it into my dwarf army.I could sell it and make a pretty penny but that's super lame and I don't know anyone who would be interested in trading it for some metal dwarfs.Since I have an obscene amount of artillery pieces in my collection (40+), including converted toys/ non GW/ scratchbuilt/ historicals etc, having an elven looking bolt thrower isn't something completely outlandish. I was thinking of making up some sort of fluff for it. I'm unsure if it should be a gift from an elven colony looking to trade, some sort of gift/peace offering or if it could be a captured machine passed down generation as some sort of trophy taken in battle.Perhaps during the war of vengeance, perhaps during a more recent and more localized battle.My dwarf also have a banking guild so maybe perhaps it's collateral for debt collection (perhaps not even taken from elves directly but from one of the nearby tilean princes who obtained the warmachine somehow)
>>98335208Dark elves get mentioned a lot in the core rulebook, along with lizerdmen
>>98335242>it could be a captured machine passed down generation as some sort of trophy taken in battle. Perhaps during the war of vengeance, Crew included ?
>>98335256Nah, just the machine. I do have the 2 crew and I'll paint them; but I don't particularly like elf miniatures, especially in my army.
>>98335256Sold to sausage makers generations ago.
1k Orcs vs Orcs, standard pitched battle today. Snagrog got the initiative and advanced steadily forward. The boar boyz and Mangler followed close to the big uns. The boar boyz on the enemy side failed impetious and charged at my big uns but flubbed! A counter charge ensued, the boar boyz and the big uns crashed into them. A fanatic killed some of my big uns and wiped the boars, only for the mangler to follow up!The boars were wiped out in the massacre, Snagrog killing 4 of them alone and was caught by the mangler in pursuit. The squig hoppers killed his squig boss and wiped out the enemy squigs, but things went pear shaped.The enemy big uns slammed in and killed the mangler, overrunning into Snagrog's big uns! Despite his best efforts, Warboss (!) Snagrog challenged the enemy big boss but was cut in two (4 hits, 3 wounds on 4+!)! His dead ard armour did not save him.The enemy night goblins also weathered the storm and broke the ramshackle orc boyz, eventually running them down.The remaining big uns fled the table as did the orc archers and the lone gobbo shaman was murdered by the enemy doomdiver. A loss for Snagrog's lads, only the hoppers left but was a fun game. A proppa good fight with the ladz!We will come back for anuvver go! WAAAAAGGGHHH
>>98335179From GW's POV it makes the most sense to just finish/refurbish all the releases for the core races. If they brought back even one of the legacy factions, people who liked the others would save their money in anticipation of a future release and they want purchases now. I can't imagine the Dark Elves and Vampire Counts especially being gone forever but GW has been very careful to temper everyone's expectations. All that aside I'm not sure why they're being so slow about Kislev since Cathay obviously did so well. I'd also do Vampire Coast for the TW fanboys and to cater to people who want undead but don't like TK.
>>98335308TWW has plenty of faults but I think they did a great job with the Vampire Coast. If GW brought those 3D models over in a 28mm format I would be ecstatic. A Necrofex Colossus mini would be really cool to see.
>>98335248Didn't GW removed (most) of their mentions in the updated Core Book though?
>>98335336Not to my knowledge, but I've not read the lore section of the core rulebook.
>>98335347updated core rulebook*
>>98335308If Cathay did so well they would have released a cross bow upgrade sprue for jade warriors by now for the starter box bare minimum. Honestly it just feels like cathay have lagged behind whatever initial hype they may have had. >>98335332>Necrofex ColossusFuck no, the entire range would be fucking ugly if adapted to a miniature line, but the rotting ships are the king of Kislev tier disneyfication. It wouldn’t even be good hobby wise to paint, and with scale creep I doubt it’s going to look like it’s gonna fit in at all table.
>>98335336Is there a pdf of that yet or are we just going by youtuber page flipping videos
>>98335397thatll be $70 plus tip
>>98335369>If Cathay did so well they would have released a cross bow upgrade sprue for jade warriors by now for the starter box bare minimum.Seems like a dumb bar to set desu
>>98335419It’s the bare minimum for them to do something for the starter set. They could have even released a pity hero or something and lock it behind the set to make it more interesting long term.
>>98335432>hey could have even released a pity hero or something and lock it behind the set to make it more interesting long term.SDS don't really do that It's not like Saturnine or MESBG boxes have exclusive minis
>>98335308it is incredible how this format of card sucks the absolute soul out of anything it touches like a banshee in a cold fog
>>98335551I also legitimately dont understand the point of it. Its not more information than the regular profile.
>>98335577the point is to just have a compact card you can lay out on the table in front of you when playing. with the smaller condensed format you can lay out your whole armies unit entries in front of you on the table edge without having to flip through book pages.its kind of a worse version of the warmachine cards which both had more information on a smaller piece of card, but also served as health tracking with dry erase health box markers. GW could totally do cards like these, especially since warhammer units tend to have a lot less information than warmachine units did, which often had full spell lores on their character cards. you could even have check boxes to note weather a unit has different upgrades like drilled, veteran, shields, great weapons, etc. but idk the 40k format of the large cards misses the soul of a codex but misses the utility of a proper game card since they're 3x the size.
>>98335332There already plenty of cool 3D printed vampire coast minis. What I want is supported rules.
>>98335597I guess. But surely just having the normal unit profile + weapon cards would be more useful? Especially since (for example) warbows arent just "S3" but are actually strength user, meaning if the skeletons become + or minus strength they will be affected.
>>98334890Yeah but standard bearers can't accept or decline challenges. Its an in game choice instead of pre-game choice.
>>98335597What would be the correct size for these stat cardsTarot sized?
Quick question (& request): Does anyone here have a physical copy of the 8ed. Dark Elves armybook?If yes, would you mind taking a few, good-quality, photos of the DElves' heraldry, please?I intend to upload them on the wiki pages - since the only crests & heraldry that one can readily find of the DE faction are the Total War: Warhammer assets.better than picrel, if it's not too difficult
>>98335609i made my own, they are 3"x2". stats on front, list of special rules and what the rules do on the back. just makes it easy to reference the statline or check what a rule does. saves a lot of time especially when you arent playing regularly
>>98335624>Does anyone here have a physical copy of the 8ed. Dark Elves armybook?Yes, but my phone is too shit to do high quality photos.
>>98335597Or you could just use a builder. Print your list and/or just use your phone.
>>98335663Cards look neater, I guess
>>98335669They really don't, they look fancier.
Decided to give ToW/WHFB a shot. Collected Warriors, Beastmen and Demons back in my youth but there was never any players due to 40k. Looking at starting Empire/Renegade Crowns and want to focus on blackpowder and missile shooting. How would I kit out Imperial Ogres. Cannons and hand weapons? Pistols and Great Weapons? Some combination I am unaware of considering how new I am? All help and input greatly appreciated, thanks Anons.
>>98335747Stop asking to be poon fed
>>98335308>>98335597>clearly explains what each special rule does>>98335663>does not clearly explains what each special rule does
>>98335775Every builder I know has the option to show special rules in details if you're retarded/too much of a boomer to use a phone.
>>98335747Try a mix and see what you like. The WGA box comes with 9 and you're probably not going to run all 9. Imo the cannons are a bit of a trap. Generally you want your ogres marching or charging instead of shooting. Heavy Armor and great weapons seems optimal to me.
>>98335775Just use your phone. Builder will have hyperlinks to do the relevant rules. Print out a copy for your opponent.
>>98335609the warmachine cards are standard playing card size and perfectly readable. its like 2.5x3.5"at that size you can easily half a whole army worth of cards in less space than a standard MtG playmat, or piled up in a tidy deck in the corner. they also fit all convensional card sleeves and deck boxes unlike other warhammer 40k cards
>>98335800>card shows everything you need at a glance>app needs you to click a hyperlink to a separate page every time you need to reference a different rule>and pray to god the store/event hall/basement you're playing in isnt a reception deadzonei'd take the cards every time
>>98335609>>98335624tarot sized cards to get more info on one side so the back can have army heraldry printed on it seems like a cool idea I should look into
>>98334516Nice gift. You really rubbed some salt into my wound dealt by the unfinished castle I started a few years ago
>>98335188I would be fine with the TOW team making forest spirits for the game that don't look like those of whfb 8th ed/aos : a more classical look like that of the 5th ed treeman/dryads, no dragonfly wings, actual fairy tales pixies instead of le heckin chungus wholesome giant bugs everywhere...
>>98335822>Spend hundreds of hours building and painting an army>Have no idea what it actually doesDo people really?
>>98335874you're right why do people even bring rules at all? just memorize your army bro, memorize every spell an weapon and artifact and all 200 USRs, and your opponent can just take your word for it they dont need to see your rules, they should have just memorized them too!
>>98335822I think the real benefits of the cards is also the was of showing your opponent. I know I'd love to take a quick look at a unit card rather than have to constantly ask my opponent
>>98335881There's no need to crash out like this anon. Take a deep breath.
>>98334733Post models
>>98334516This is so fucking sick, what amazing friends that old boomer has! My birthday was a week ago and even my wife and kids forgot to get me a gift. How much did that thing cost you?>>98334524If you are 50 years old and are still so poor you don't have space for a wargaming room, you have fucked up
>>98334211>months break due to vacation and work>get back to already started models>get back to unfinished terrain>how about you add something to the list?I guess...
>>98335242I like the alliance gift idea. It's neat exploring the non war aspects of warhammer.I can imagine the elves donating the ballista and the dwarfs gifting then a set armour or a collection of runed arrows Plus, at the end of the day, a ballista is a ballista is a ballista.
>>98336013Is you think of your hobby as just a checklist you should probably consider finding a new one
>>98335881I'm not saying you have to memorize everything but if you need to constantly check your own units to remember their rules you're fucking up. If nothing else it is discourteous to your friends. WHFB is already a multi-unit hour commitment, there is no reason to slow things down further by not knowing how your own units work.
>>98335949use your head.>Spend hundreds of hours building and painting an army>Have no idea what it actually doesthis nonsense applies to bringing >>98335663or a codex or anything to the table as much as it does to bringing cards. its astounding the length of drool strand dripping you absent mindedly maintain from your gaping craw while devoting your entire single braincell just to navigating a keyboard enough to smear your backside over this general in the form of a self contradictory dim bulb post.
>>98336013This is why I do EVERYTHING all together. I didn't start assembly until I'd finished collecting, won't start painting until it's all assembled, won't do basing until it's all painted, etc. Burnout happens when you have 16 projects all at different stages of completion. Full-ass one of them and finish the fucking thing.
>>98336022Nice dubs & obligatory post models.>Is you think of your hobby as just a checklist you should probably consider finding a new oneYou know Anon, I try to make as much as possible in the time available. And yes, many times I force myself to paint and build so that I can play with a fully painted army on a decent looking table with handcrafted terrain. It gives me a real joy, but I often drown myself in the amount of work planned. Also yes, I have a spreadsheet with a checklist.
>>98335966>If you are 50 years old and are still so poor you don't have space for a wargaming room, you have fucked upno need to rub it in
>>98335304Kino
>>98335304ORCS ORCS ORCS ORCS ORCS
>>98335640Damn, that's a shame.Thank you anyways.>>98335829Not a bad idea desu.
Wood elves update soon bros. My body is ready. I think I may pick up a wood elf battalion in the coming weeks to prepare
I need a sylvanian gf bros>baroque tiddies>loyal beyond death>shitty hungarian accentDoesnt even have to be a vampire. i'll take the village girl as long as the local lord doesnt think shes his reincarnated true love
>>98336388Better hope she doesn't get bored with you. Especially if she's a Lahmian vampire.
>>98336397giwtwm
>>98335865Ngl the old pixies (both artwork and model wise) have kinda been more Reddit to me than the bugs. They all look like cherubs that are pushed into a r/atheism filter and then come out looking like some shit from dark crystal. It’s never really been a range that has tried to claim that fairy tail vibe either.
>>98336388You've posted this gay /co/ fanart here before. Must you do it again?>>98336397Now we're talking.
>>98336472Don't be autistic, /tg/ is slow enough as it is.
>>98335010All of Axia's stuff really puts the new fantasy stuff to shame, I cannot believe the new footknights somehow made it to production, they are so fucking bad.
>>98336509Considering they were a launch kit I wouldn’t call them new. They were made probably 5-6 years ago considering that all the news sculpts look nothing like them.
Seeing people cope over tow models is hilarious
>>98336388Sorry bud we're out of vampire goth gfs
>>98336530TOW models sell out, unlike histslop. No cope needed when you can look at sales
>>98336549Anon is clearly talking about dying tranny "game" collectors skubbing out over our new releases. Not every anon ITT is PerryGOD my broski.
>>98336388Genuinely what compels a grown ass 30+ year old male to make this type of post. Like what actually is the purpose?
>>98336549>SELLING FAST
How bad would an Orcs and Goblins list that's all goblins be? Be they on spiders, wolves, or night goblins.I see the spiders for the goblin bosses get armored hide, but not the normal spider riders, is that correct?
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>>98336576When have you ever known GW to give product away FOR FREE?
>>98336576no one liked aos, the moment whfb came back it was over for age of sugma
>>98336613>warhammie piggies constantly jump ship for the latest greatest fresh product Imagine my surprise!
>>98336574>How bad would an Orcs and Goblins list that's all goblins be?Not very (it would be good).All the goblin units are pretty decent. Goblins are incredibly efficient for their cost, fanatics are broken because all their counterplay was removed making them braindead free damage, and your artillery and cav are still very good. Also the associated monsters are pretty decent too.Your big weaknesses would be "heavy hitting melee", without orcs you dont have the brawn to really win prolonged fights your fanatics dont deal with (unless you run some trolls alongside them) and you wont have wyverns which are great.
>>98336472You know the comet hit Mordheim specifically to avoid having to go to Stirland right?
>>98336650The comet hit Mordheim because otherwise no one would give a fuck about Ostermark.
Speaking of Mordheim, how many anon itt have PLAYED Mordheim??
>>98336663I'm slowly collecting a dorf warband for it, never played. That'll be my next project.
>>98336549>TOW models sell outYeh they sell out 8 times the same day. They just un-sell out whenever one of the Anons check
>>98336549>they sell out!You realize this means literally nothing, right? If someone makes 100 boxes and sells 75 of them, and another guy makes 5 boxes and sells all 5, do you think that makes his more popular?
>>98336576The biggest indicator for Dominion flopping was they actually put it on sale at 20% off. On their own website. GW has never done that before or since.
What are relations between vampires and fantasy and necromancers usually like?
>>98336663Used to play it for a year or twoGood fun but antiquated system and needs houserules
>>98336692Litterally popular kids and nerdsIts also why no one likes manfried
>>98336696>Its also why no one likes manfriedWhat?
>>98336692Usually Necromancers are like creepy virgins who hang around chad Vampires, hoping to one day get a seat at the cool kids table.Guys like Kemmler are school shooters.
>>98336704>Guys like Kemmler are school shooters. Is that because he's also a chaos dude besides being a necromancer dude?
>>98336694>antiquated system And TOW isn't?
>>98336714More because he doesn't give a fuck. Him being a Chaos worshipper is like him being a school shooter who is also a satanist.
>>98336715I have found that rank and flank is the best and ONLY place for IgoUgo. its vastigial in 40k and sucks ass but great in whfbThe fact AoS, a totally new game, had a chance to finally try something new and refused solidified it as goyslop for consumerist pigs
>>98336703Mannfred respects and likes Necromancers more than other Vampires
>>98336742Isn't the average vampire in Warhammer fantasy a necromancer at the end of the day also unless you're the guy named comrade from the second vampire War because he's a stupid moron?
>>98336691Skaventide similarly (though not as badly) flopped but was handled more covertly; rather than publicly showing literal pallets of unsold boxes and handing them out at Adepticon, they were prolific in quietly dumping them on tourney organizers and anyone else who could ostensibly promote AoS for them.>skaventide_throne.jpg>>98336715What system would you propose instead? What does it do that modern games do better? Let's hear it, I want specifics.
>>98336756Most vampires learn necromancy post-embrace, it's a thing Mannfred did differently from Vlad is that he embraced technically competent magic users
>>98336769Okay, in Warhammer Fantasy, with its vampires, necromancy, and all that, how do you write good fanfic versions of Mannfred, Vlad, his wife, or even Heinrich Kemmler, the Lichemaster himself, set in a world where the End Times never happen?
>>98336764I personally like when different commanders are activated and issue orders to troops under them. Also the game LaSalle 2 has an amazing turn sequence where you're IgoUgo but players can interrupt the other players turn by using momentum points to change it to their turn. It creates a very dynamic ebb and flow like a real battlefield
>>98335966Sorry to hear that, especially if you were expecting something. I know that I will get nothing so I have no problem with thet hehe. For the castle we spent around 700/800 euro. Some 400ish for the hill.
So I wanna jump into ToW with the release of Battle March next week, am I shooting myself in the foot by playing Dark Elves? A ton of their stuff just doesn't actually exist currently, and I don't really know where to start. I have the old DoK spearhead so I'll use that, but even then only like half the box is even usable
>>98336790>players can interrupt the other players turn by using momentum points to change it to their turnI can see this being a problem in a fantasy wargame with hero characters that can put out 12+ attacks or instakill monsters in a turn. Sounds fun though. Why not just houserule in something like 40k stratagems that can only be used [X] times per game? That sounds like something that would be fun for a scenario or two but miserable if it were in play every game.
>>98336662>Menshenfresserhoffenwhy is empire so cringe?
>>98336806You could make DoK work just for Battle March, but you're going to have to eventually find some Dark Elf infantry, Cold One Knights, monsters, etc on ebay or FBM. Do they still stock the Hydra and Kharybdiss for AoS? A few of those would be a very good start.
>>98336818I thought Empire was cringe until TWW and Vermintide showed me Empire men speaking proper fucking English. I used to imagine them with faggy German accents, now I think they're pretty cool.
>>98336813You can still only use troops once per turn, so if you interrupted and used your hero that's his one action of the turn, then the other plays interrupts and it's back to his turn. They is also a "momentum" mechanic so players only have so much momentum generated per turn and use it to interrupt. Depending on what you did the previous turn that determines how much momentum you generate
>>98336840>germans speaking british englishthats a double cringe
>>98336827Doesn't look like it, atleast not in cities where it used to be, no regular DE infantry seems like its hurts to not have easy access too
>>98336840It's a shame that ze Germans don't actually speak like Till Lindemann, Hitler or Gigi.
>>98336840Kek britoids (jews favorite goy slaves) still seething about German BVLLS to this very day.
What faction has this vibe?On the table or in the lore
>>98336869200% Skaven, specifically Clan Skyre
>>98336638Sweet, cause this was what i was thinking for the listGoblin Bigboss Light armor, shield, BSB (da spider banner), Giant spider mount, and Da Akrit AxeGoblin Oddnob Wizard 4, Arachnarok spider, dispel scroll, idol of morkGeneral Goblin Warboss light armor, shield, giant spider, Backstabber's Blade Night Goblin Bigboss Light armor, shield, Backstabber's BladeNight Goblin Oddgit Wizard 2, Da Hag's Brew10 Spider Riders: Cavalry Spear, Light Armour, full command10 Spider Riders: Shortbow, Light Armour, boss and musician10 Wolf Riders: Cavalry Spear, Light Armour, reserve move30 Night Goblins, netters, 3 fanatics, spears, 3 fanatics, full command, Da angry Ladz bannerArachnarok Spider2 Doom Diver CatapultsI think I might drop the hag's brew and idol of mork for the stone thrower on one of the Arachnaroks.
Bros I’m so excited for the future, wood elves, tomb kings, then who knows. The latest chaos wave solidifies in my mind that the TOW team is one of the few producing non slop models AND rules in GW. I think if WHFB was never killed in the ET it would have been dumbed down and made comp focused like 40k. We’d be fighting over circles in pre determined board layouts. This is the best timeline where it died and was resurrected as a specialist grog game where it gets to keep the flavor and crunch in the rules. We even managed to dodge the 3 year cycle thanks to HH eating multiple bullets in the face for us.
>>98336871Everytime I think about wanting skaven I instinctivly want to go skyre but I know its the normie reddit option
>>98336881>Clan Skyre>normalFAG reddit optionThat would be Queer Headgiver's gay little fanclub.
>>98336896I'll just stick to painting my chaos dwarves orange and black with reddit monke faces on their banners
>>98336880>Bros I’m so excited for the future!!!
>>98336908Finish your chorfs and collect some classic Skyre. It'll fucking take a while with ebay prices being what they are now
Im genuinely embarrassed by this general sometimes.
>>98336925Dude... Didn't you know that literally every single post you don't like that is fucking up this general is all the works of one single troll!
>Saturday night>manlet is spending his free time hurling vitriol in a community he hatesSad existence tbqh
>>98336945finally get to use this. Thank you
Played 2 games of Battle March today using my Bretonnian's.Ate shit, but still had fun.
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>>98336955What did you run? I feel like Battle Pilgrims would be GOATed in battle march
>>98336970I brought 2 lists since I was just playing around with the system.I feel like the fact that Bretonnia needs to take a unit of Peasants actually kind messes them up in Battle March, since I couldn't take more Knights, and my friend was able to fit 2 units of Chaos Warriors and some Chosen Knights into his army. Army 1>CharactersBaron, Bretonnian Warhorse, Shield, Lance, Gromril Great-Helm, Virtue of the Joust>CoreKOTR x 6, Unit command, Biting BladePeasant Bowmen x 24, unit command, stakes>SpecialPeg Knights x 4, ChampionArmy 2>CharacterProphetess, Level 3, Prayer Icon Of Quenelles>CoreFoot Knights x15, unit command, S&B, Biting BladePeasant Bowmen x 24, unit command, stakes>SpecialPeg Knights x 4, Champion
>>98337001>>98337001I feel like a level 3 just isn’t worth it at such a small points level. Also just take a minimum sized units of KOTR, 3 iirc, and bring more peasants imo. Peasants are super good for the cost and at this points level more bodies is probably worth more than quality
How are High Elves? What units are considered must-have? Is focusing on blocks of spearmen and archers a bad idea? Despite the HE infantry being dated, I really like them and they remain my favourite HE models.
>>98337028>What units are considered must-havedragons.
Is there any hope for bretonnian lore being expanded upon? I'd love to see them get some For Honor knight faction styled units.Lawbringers being nobles whose entire job is to ensure the laws of the land are followed and wrongdoers punished. Be they noble, peasant or monster.Conqueror styled foot knights, wielding flails/ maces and fighting dirty because they're ex-criminals given a chance at redeeming themselves. Would be commonly made up of peasants who got too uppity.Peacekeeper styled masked and hooded knights who use crossbows and shortswords to track down and hunt elusive monsters, dark magicians and brigands.
>>98337048GW is only capable of being self referential so take that as you may. However I suppose they are prone to retconning bretonian crusades turning araby into just mass undead.
>>98337048>Is there any hope for bretonnian lore being expanded upon?Yeah, we should hopefully see the affair of the false grail at some point, and there's lots of stuff they could do with that.>I'd love to see them get some For Honor knight faction styled units.No, that's dumb.
>>98337048a roving The Carroccio to the lady would be baller
>>98337048Brettonia getting justicars is most likely since the next king of Brettonia's epithet is "The Just"
>>98337028High elves are kind of suffering right now. Lothern Sky Cutters are quite good, dragons are ok, sisters of averlorn are probably your best unit. Overall the army is weak right now. Definitely weaker than Wood Elves
>>98337048>>98337065Your ideas are bad and you should feel bad
>>98337048These all feel like things you can already do? >knights who seek out wrongdoers and punish themHow is that not just a paladin or whatever who decides to do that?>Conqueror styled foot knights, wielding flails/ macesHow is that not just a footknight with a morningstar? They already have those options. Put him in the border princes.>Peacekeeper styled masked and hooded knights who use crossbows and shortswords to track down and hunt elusive monsters, dark magicians and brigands.This is the only thing they dont have. But the peacekeeper isnt a knight, shes an assassin or whatever, so just use brigands for the same role.
>>98337149So change nothing, let the faction languish in the same shit it already does, repeating the reason it died in 8th edition. Please kill yourself. Immediately.
>>98337159None of the shit you proposed "changes" anything, it just adds space marine lieutenant tier one note characters that represent things covered by the faction already. If you wanted to expand on bretonnia, you would pick things they dont already do/have represented. Flesh out their navy - still largely existing as a carry-over from manowar - or expand on their sheperds and social structures outside those immediately relating to knights. Focus on their relations with the empire and conflicts with the southern realms rather than insular "and then they killed some monsters" adventures. You know, actually expand shit and give them more nuance and depth instead of flanderizing them.
Has anyone ever designed additional alternative bodies for Ogres to be compatible with original arms and heads? I'm snipping 20 Bulls out of their sprues and the number of spare bits is simply insane. On the other hand I just don't get how GW could sculpt only 2 bodies and think that's enough. I was hoping some sculpted and sold alternative bodies at some point or designed printable files at least.
>>98337169Another excellent area of bretonnia to expand on would be their "scholarly class" for however much they have one. Expand on the nuances of their religion and social structure, do they have wise scholars and solomonic types in charge of interpreting the will of the lady and foul portens? Do they have old crones advising kings as grail-seers? How does the chivalric ideal of their religion - as no doubt interpreted and believed by the maidens - interact with the often more selfish and brutal whims of the various nobles? Theres a lot you COULD do with bretonnia to help them feel more like a living breathing faction rather than monty python/jabberwocky larp. One note "flail knight" and "law knight" guys are not it.
>>98337159Changing nothing would be preferable to your cringe For Honor memes
>>98337192>Another excellent area of bretonnia to expand on would be their "scholarly class" for however much they have one.maybe in WFRP, but I'm not sure that would really work for the wargame
>>98337187that's a very sleepy gnoblar.
>>98337205I thought we were talking about expanding the lore? If you want to give them more things for the tabletop (for some reason, the AJ gave them enough via the exiles list) you still have other areas which can be explored more. Carcassonne Sheperds or other more elite infantry (maybe some more elite archer types, take some from robin hood). Maybe bring back some of the old style artillery they had once upon a time, or flesh out the pilgrims some more with variants. Or bring back grail guardians in some way.
>>98336908>>98336924I think they're both very good factions
>>98337242The old artillery doesn’t make sense in the new lore of Bretonnia. They explicitly don’t use gunpowder. Plus that would risk watering them down to generic late medieval histslop.
Do I need more than one artillery dice and one scatter dice?
>>98337367One of each is enough
>>98337357>They explicitly don’t use gunpowderUnless theyre exiles. Then they do. >Plus that would risk watering them down to generic late medieval histslop.Which is kind of what they are/were. Their modern iteraction is "Late medieval histslop" refined down to just "knights: the faction". Expanding them in any real way requires doing things that arent their core faction identity but rather more fringe or situational units. If you want to be really pedantic you could just have the cannons be placed in water basins, since the laws of the lady only apply on land. Or invent artillery that isnt gunpowder based (greek fire maybe? some sort of holy water hot-pot thing? Weaponized boiling oil?)
>>98337192>Do they have old crones advising kings as grail-seers?according to the bretonnia splat book for wfrp 2nd ed, grail damsels don't age at all and remain young fo years until they either die in war or by accident or they suddenly decide to retire to the forest of Loren where most believe they go to die of old age
>>98337405It’s not just knights the factions but it’s definitely not gunpowder. There’s lots of other directions you could take it that would be much better, some of your other suggestions for example. But gunpowder to make it more generic is not the way.
>>98337428Sure, if youre worried about them becoming too similar to empire you could try something else. But ideally it would still be "in that ballpark" of medieval inspired units that are not knights, that allow bretonnia to be less "one note" as a faction both from an aesthetic/thematic level and also from a gameplay perspective. Ideally also not a monster, because I feel like that clashes with the whole "monster slaying knights" theme.
>>98337436Yeah absolutely no monsters I agree. I like leaning into either the religious aspect of Bretonnia or the commoners being expanded upon.
>>98337048surely bretonnia will get another AJ sometime soon
>>98337436>>98337453Sons of Bretonnia on magic water horses and a merchant mercenary subfaction using cannons because they are dishonorable but you can't use knights if you use merchants.
>>98337048everybody here hope that they will eventually get new realm/errant/questing/grail knights who will look better than the hideous foot knights of the bretonnia versus TK box
>>98334111>TQ Omg so many, where do I begin? My biggest problem with the rules is how unit types are used completely differently than they should be intended. Cavalry are the most notorious. In TOW cavalry are basically just fast infantry. Why should a squadron of cavalry charge head into a fully formed, full strength block of infantry? No real cavalry would do that because everyone knows the biggest danger to cavalry is well prepared infantry, and they would get mauled. Cavalry should be more incentivised in the rules to attack rear and flanks, and should be heavily punished for charging the front. Also, cavalry should NOT be able to stand and trade blows with infantry, rolling off for several turns. This is so unrealistic. Cavalry should smash into the enemy, and then immediately pull off. ie. They should either route the enemy on the charge, or have to retreat disorganized. Also, when your cavalry charge, any enemy cavalry that are nearby should be able to immediately counter charge. Again, this is what cavalry are for. TOWs rules make it so everyone just walks all of their troops straight forward into the enemy, but cavalry are a special tool that were always held back until the perfect moment for that game changing charge. I just wish they were enabled by the rules to be used that way instead of just being slightly faster infantry. I won't bother going on about my problem with skirmishers.
>>98337485with their rumored knight refresh even>>98337498they might also lean in to TWWH's Alberic and let you take knights that pledge to Manaan and have different vows and rules due to being sea-based, or expand on it further with a mix of merchant-class mercs and commanding knights
>>98337498I dont know if water cavalry is a great idea, simply because most maps/tables dont feature water and I think doing some sort of "they bring the water with them" thing would be dumb.Maybe as a white dwarf equivalent unit, tied to a specific mission where a river/water feature is guaranteed. A merchant-themed list could work, something similar to exiles I guess? Maybe give them some more "up-jumped peasant" units. Let them equip peasant yeowmen and some peasant levy units with heavy armor and give them +1WS. Give them some funky crossbowmen units and whatever else too.
>>98337521There are unironically some good ideas in here but most of these fags will just dismiss it as histslop
>>98337521>. This is so unrealisticBuddy, the cavalry that can stand and trade with infantry are things like chaos knights, blood knights and demigryphs. Superhuman monsters or things riding big (well, small) monsters. Cavalry areadly cant "sit there and trade" with infantry, and relies on winning decisive engagements rather than getting bogged down and losing due to low/no static combat resolution. They do what cavalry does, break the enemy on the charge or die.
>>98336517>They were made probably 5-6 years ago considering that all the news sculpts look nothing like them.I've already seen several anons on /tg/ claim that they when these models got released back in 2024, their style was already outdated compared to other modesl but I've never seen a single actual proof they were a repurposed set from designed years before the actual launch of TOW, just claims
>>98337521>>98337546That's how cavalry has always played in Fantasy, idk how you'd mechanically change it. If you don't like something that fundamental that has been unchanged since nearly the start maybe the game isn't for you?
>>98337557>single actual proof they were a repurposed set from designed years before the actual launch of TOW, just claimsWell yeah, because GW doesn't make that info public. So we can speculate, based on things like the aesthetic being completely different.
>>98337048I love For Honor, but leave it in For Honor. Bretonnia is its own thing.>Is there any hope for bretonnia lore being expanded upon?Check out the pastebin in the OP. I personally recommend>5th edition army book/old White Dwarf articles>Perilous Quest>Sir Dagobert's Last Battle>Barony of the Damned (WFRP2e)Anything written by Anthony Reynolds is VERBOTEN except maybe Rest Eternal, that was pretty good.
>>98337521I was going to add it to my post >>98334307But I also have a problem with Cav like you do for essentially the same reasons. I'd make it so if Cav wins in combat and the enemy fbigo or flees it changes the order of battle resolution. Cav always gets to choose if it will pursue or hold before the enemy. It then rolls for pursuit first and pops out the other side of the enemy unit before measuring and moving distance, followed by overrunning into enemy models or just reforming once it's finished movement. Give ground and draw would blunt the charge and stop the cav from doing this.
>>98337521>Cavalry should be more incentivised in the rules to attack rear and flanks, and should be heavily punished for charging the front.There are already ample benefits to charging the side/rear, something cavalry is good at doing because of its speed. There are already reasons you would want to charge the side/rear rather than the front if possible. What you are looking for are arbitrary benefits and drawbacks. Because you are stupid.>Why should a squadron of cavalry charge head into a fully formed, full strength block of infantry? >No real cavalry would do that because everyone knows the biggest danger to cavalry is well prepared infantry, and they would get mauled.Cavalry has and did do that, especially heavily armored cavalry. >Also, when your cavalry charge, any enemy cavalry that are nearby should be able to immediately counter chargeIt is known that cavalry charges provide a temporal warp effect after all. The enemy cavalry can countercharge when it is their turn, because that is how the game works. If you are still bogged down/there you will be punished by a countercharge, if you sweep the enemy before they can respond? Sucks for them. >>98337572Thats retarded.
>>98337567>Barony of the Damned (WFRP2e)>Anything written by Anthony Reynolds is VERBOTEN except maybe Rest Eternal, that was pretty good.Reynolds and 6th lore introduced the Wood Elf conspiracy which is an important part of Barony of the Damned
>>98337578>Cavalry has and did do that, especially heavily armored cavalry.Yeah in Hollywood and video games. Not in real life >because that is how the game worksYeah no shit, which is why I am answering the TQ about rules I think should be changed, you jackass
>>98336869Night Goblins desperately hoping their fanatics go the right way.
>>98337578The only time cavalry would charge head on was against very disorganized and broken infantry, or against other cavalry in which case they ran through each other like a massive jousting match.
>>98337594>>98337613as explained by that anon >>98337552, in a fantasy game with literal magic and demons, you must made allowances for chaos knights, vampire knights; etc... literal superhumans riding huge beasts to whom the usual problem faced by real world cavalry charging head-on and getting bogged don't applythese type of fantasy cavalry charging in the front would actually shred the best infantry
I've been digging through my photo albums from events and tournaments long (well, not too long) past and I'm starting to think I really am cursed when it comes to rolling dice. It seems like I only have pictures of when things go horribly wrong.
>>98337339>both sides claimed victory.Kek
>>98337633Not at all. All of these things mentioned die to a well aimed spear like anything else. That is a shitty cop out to explain poorly designed rules
>>98337633>dude... My SUPER HUMAN Mary Sues SHRED your infantry just no
>>98337633>Chaos Knight charges head first into steadfast wall of infantry >his mount plunges half a dozen lances into its own chest and stops dead in its tracks >Chaos Knight is launched from his steed and hits the ground >fully surrounded by footman, he is bashed to death with hammers, mauls, daggers, etc. before he has time to stand up
>>98337656>>98337659We are aware you like historicals and not fantasy. Go play with yourself or someone else( if you can find some anyone willing to play your dead games) and leave us Fantasychads in peace.
>>98337685Warhammer Fantasy is a game for InfantryChads. Seethe cope and dilate, tranny
>>98337048I have some ideas for Bretonnian units, I'm sure you'll all agree they're very well thought out:Some skirmishing bowmen and dashing rogues.Cruel sheriffs and their underlings that help keep peasants in line, but also give them a morale boost if they end up being destroyed.Taalite monks who fight with quarterstaves as a short of roadblock unit.A unit of hunting hounds. The Sons of Bretonnia, some fey magical knights.A unit of honorless blackguard knights, maybe they can have pistols or additional bonuses for charging in the flanks and rear or fleeing units.Also maybe some cool wizards, because I feel they're really missing a beat with the Merlin thing. A peasant riding a really big pig.
>nearly finished 20 monopose double choppa boys>still have another 30 ordinary double choppa boys to gothe grind of being an orcGOD never stops
>>98337790>The Sons of BretonniaLileath would never part with her harem
>>98336613I find that hard to believe when our rules team is literally 2 guys and we get new models maybe once every 6 months
>>98337831Ignore tribalist shitposters
>30 ungors almost done>Next up: 30 gorsInfantry units are so boring to paint
>>98337898Imagine how a dwarf player must feel.
>>98337898>painting infernal guardsmile>painting hobgoblinsgrimace
>>98335178dave taylor literally made armies exactly how stillmania outlined
I might sell my beastmen army if the rumors about them being forced to merge with warriors is true.
>>98337951The rumour is that they will be able to via an army of infamy set of rules, but otherwise maintain their own faction lists.I wouldnt get all worked up
>>98337951>forcedAoI
So how many of us actually plan on participating in the monthly painting event?
>>98337979Me. I was planning on doing lots of hobbying this month anyway
>>98337979Was going to but I’m probably passing. Maybe if it’s for something more unique I’ll join the next one.
>>98337979When does it start?How do I submit my entry?
>>98337997Anytime something is left up to a democratic vote it will always revert to the most basic and bland result. Anyways, what is stopping you from painting something unique?? The topic is broad enough surely you can add a unique spin to it
>>98337979I already started.>>98337951Why would you get rid of something you spent money and a ton of time on? Like, even if they do merge beastmen and WoC, what's stopping you from only using Beastmen? Or from still using the current army book?It's your hobby anon, don't even let a company dictate what you do with it.
>>98337979I'm thinking I will. Deciding on what unit to do though.
>>98337951>>98337960It's not even a rumor; it's what they directly said is coming in the AJ. It's just rules to soup them in an AoI.
>>98337979I already started on a big batch of 27 gall goblin archers
>>98337979As stated earlier I am.
>>98337979I was reeeally hoping for terrain, but I'll participate nonetheless
>>98338002Go read this here >>98334211 and that one too >>98334292
>>98337979I got gors to paint so may as well >>98337898
>>98335881Unironically yes. How the fuck do you think we used to play games before all you lazy faggits came along and soulless corporations started catering for your tiktok-addled asses?You get the books and you play a game. Then you do it again. By the third or fourth game anyone with an IQ higher than a fucking brick should have learned most of the core rules and USRs and be adequately familiar with their own army. By the time you've played a dozen or so games you shouldn't need to check your books more than a couple of times in each match. Seriously how the shit do people like you function in your day to day life? Like if you're cooking a meal you've cooked many times before, are you so fucking retarded that you've still got to have the recipe right there in front of you to check every. single. step. of the process?
>>98337931They made their choice
>>98337979If I can finish my Ghorgon in time I may participate in it for a few Ungors I have that are unpainted.
>>98337898Post pics of your goats beastbro
This question has probably been asked, but I'm just recently looking into Fantasy again after a long break. But how is TOW compared to previous editions?I've played a fair amount of 5-7th, skipped 8 because of the dumb massive infantry blocks and random charge distance. Would I enjoy 8th?
>>98338417It's 6.5e with shrimplified magic
>>98338417I'm not sure how most people feel, but 8th was terrible where I lived. We lost around 50% of the players after 3 months, myself among them. I can't even remember why so much now its been so long. That said, I also found 7th the best edition. I think ToW is pretty close to being just as good, but 7th beats it out.Basically what this guy said. >>98338431
>>98338431>>983384356th Edition magic was already pretty simple. How can you dumb it down more?
>>98338457Magic is pretty much synonymous with artillery.
I played a 5 way free for all king of the hill game with some friendsI look a mostly peasant force, and my peasants managed to sneak in a win at the end, even though my knights fled the field. (guess that's why they're exiles).The highlight was the vampire lord that dueled 3 other generals and just kept fighting his way through first some knights of the realm, then some chaos knights, some lizardmen saurus with an old blood only to get crushed finally by two stegadons. mvp would go to my mounted yeomen, but a special moment was when my yeoman guard dragged down three dragon princes in combat and made them fall back in good order. what's fun about these retarded 5 ways is that its not serious enough for anyone to care about really needling rules. since half the shit is made up and democratized for rule of cool.
>>98338417Massive infantry blocks were the best part about 8th, you are just lazy
>>98338189what is the source of that pic ?
>>98338520The world may never know.
>>98338520A common search of 'fimir' in some search engine from a while back if I'm not mistaken, I also gotten that one.
>>98338501And yet you didn't post a an 8th edition infantry block, interesting.
>>98338417i have embraced the infantry block.
>Middenheim>city of the wolf>loves the wolf god ulfric>has wolf knights>Count is devoted to their wolfly identity>choses the knights dressed as kitty cats as his guardPoetry
>>98338566>Space wolves are bad but wolfenheim is ok
>>98338626I hate both. The fact that Middenhiem goes full kitty cats for their knights is based as fuck
>>98338566Not to lore dump, but the Knights Panthers were allowed to establish their Chapter Houses in Middenland first, dus being endebted to the Elector-Counts of Middenland, which was for long in Carroburg, and is now in Middenheim due to the Grafboris Todbringer's double titles.
>>98338566>>98338631I think the Graf likes them because they are sworn against Chaos, specifically beastmen
>>98338656Well that too, but the loyalty to the Graf dates from the Crusades era, since the Elector-Count allowed them to settle in his city, which was Carroburg at the time, thier hatred of Beastmen and secular nature only hepled them in the current timeline (252X)
>>98338566It is not related to the story about Cult of Ulric and self-declared Middenheim emperor got angry with each other ?
>>98338531I've seen the wfrp in the jpg; but I would have liked to know which rp book>>98338544are you the author of the >>98338189 post ?so you don't know which book the pic come from ?
So what going on in Drakwald? Like where the old province used to stand? Are there any villages left out there or is it just a lot of beastman on beastman gay sex out there?
>>98337613Not quite true. Two examples come to mind. >HastingsNorman Knights constantly charged headlomg into the Saxon lines, wearing down their Huscarl and infantry numbers. In that same battle, a unit of saxons seperated from the main army and were slaughtered my a feint retreat of knights.>DyrrachiumNorman Cavalry charge straight into the Varangian Guard Vanguard. The initial charge was both held and repelled. The second charge hit their flank and the slaughter was so bad, the Varangian routed and pursued them.
>>98338686nta but the point of cav is maneuverability and speed. If you aint flanking, you better be charging something light/prone to fleeing. Otherwise whats the point?also a well done hammer and anvil hits dopamine better than crack
>>98338682>Beastmen mentionedRARROOOOOOO! BEASTMAN UNO NUMERO!
>>98338674Yes and no. I was more inot the RPG than the TT, which I only entered in 8th, 6 months before the End Times and AoS.And do not fear, my WFRP campaign keeps going after the Storm of Chaos, with no End times in sight. (Currently playing the enemy Within).
>>98338686Wasn't there also a Crusader battle where 700 knigths (using the whole of the remaining horses form the army) constantly charged the Sarazins from atop a hill until they broke?
>>98338751My crusades knowledge is not as strong but if it involved Bohemont from Antioch, there is 100% chance this occurred. In many of his battles against the HRE, his majority cavalry based army would constantly route and massacre Alexios' armies of infantry and cavalry, either by just ramming into them or dual flanking. Then when entering the first crusade, his army of knights was easily the most well armed, armoured and experiemced and emulated their success in the Crusades. They likely had the best arms and armour possible at the time mixed with hard combat experience.
>>98337979I'm painting my first warhammer army right now so I've got a lot of infantry to paint anyway. I've got a colour scheme, just need to figure out how to do my bases.
>>98338770Correct, there we go, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Lake_of_Antioch700 knights versus 12000 Sarazins, Crusader victory.
>>98337979I'm constantly working on something, so why not? Maybe with these guys, maybe with something else.
>>98338893>Mfw they gave you the poop cloak at rollcall
>>98334211I think we should skip the voting part. /40kg/ does it right imo - having a collage with all the minis collected is a fun community activity. /40kg/ struggles a bit because they have a huge number of autistic spergs that hate having fun but the concept of community giving each other push by participating together in casual challenge is good.
>>98338566They really should be in Middenheim at this point since the Todbringers aren't the Grafs yet
>>98338995>Joined at the hip for thousand yearsGay sex confirmed
>>98337048You'll get women, faggots and blacks and you'll like it.
>comp fags crying for Cathay to be nerfed even moreWhy are they like this? Shouldn't they play 40k if they like soulless competitive games so much?
Haven't done much lately due to moving (and now going on holiday) but here's a couple almost completed WIPs. Will just need to finish applying grass and flowers.
>comp fags crying for Cathay to be buffed even moreWhy are they like this? Shouldn't they play 40k if they like soulless competitive games so much?
>>98338520It's AI shit
>>98337989do grail knights all have magic swords
>>98339081Looking good fellow bretchad
>>98339671in the rules, all their attacks count as magical attacks, so technically yes
>>98338189>>98338544am I wrong or the fimir original concept was ripped from the seksis from dark crystal ? I know irish mythology heavily inspired their fluff but their looks definitively come from the seksis, right ?
>>98339762>am I wrong or the fimir original concept was ripped from the seksis from dark crystal ?no not really. There was an awesome Lies article about the creation of the Fimir, Zoats, Snakemen, etc. but it appears it was deleted at some point.this interview with Tony Ackland goes into detail>https://web.archive.org/web/20240423230053/http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2014/04/07/bizarre-bestiary-fimir/
>>98337594>Not in real lifelmao. No you pseud, heavy cavalry have and did charge infantry head on, and then subsequently win. They were among the most powerful tools any army could have for a reason. The normans repeatedly just ran people over with their knights (which were the reason the normans were so successful). The french tied to bulldoze the english in similar ways during the 100 years war (with some high profile failures), the hussars at vienna. Cavalry were a dominant force in war for a reason, that reason was not "they can only serve as supporting elements to the infantry". >>98337613>The only time cavalry would charge head on was against very disorganized and broken infantry,Nope. This is just wrong. Cavalry could and did charge head on, it is less advantageous than charging a disorganized formation or hitting them in the side, but it was both possible and something they did do. >>98338709A knight on horseback with a couched lance is a fucking wrecking ball anon. There are very very few things that take a charge from that guy and dont fall over.
>>98337668>his mount goes through flimsy southern spears like matchsticks>the rider ends the battle with a kill tally straight out of Dynasty Warriors
>>98339762I believe dark crystal was mentioned as a partial inspiration but it was mostly this art and the general atmosphere of northern/irish folklore
>>98339810Sorta. Knights and heavy cavalry dominated the battlefield until the rise of professional armies. Like that anon said, if the infantry that are getting charged don't break, the heavy cav is fucked. But for most of the middle ages infantry that got charged usually did break. Weirdly, TOW does a pretty good job of representing this. First charge means most infantry that get charged will break or fbigo. If they only give ground, the cavalry will get fucked.
>>98337498>>98337530Yeah that just sounds like Exiles to me. They get canons and Yeoman Guard are +1 peasants.
>>98339762>rippedWhy is there such an obsession among dorks with the idea that "warhammer ripped off everything". Is it just seething that -niche media- isn't popular and warhammer is?
Shame they didn't do a intro set for TOW or even include paints + some tools in a BM box. This would be pretty great to ease new players into the hobby. Since in the context of 40K, this is a combat patrrol with extra paints, brushes and spreader tool for no price increase. I think TOW needs good deals like this for newbies more than 40K, since 40K already has a much much larger player base.
>>98339993GW doesn't expect SDS games like MESBG, HH or TOW to be a customer's first game like they do 40k or AoS those games are meant to get new customers onboard the GW pipeline.Games like HH or TOW are meant to retain them instead of going off to other game systems.I wouldn't be surprised if GW renews Warhammer Historicals at some point in the future to try and take a slice of the historical market
>>98339993Agree on the cheap paints + a few minis intro set, but imo including paints in a bigger set can be counter productive if someone has a different army color scheme in mind. A cheap intro set with a few minis and paints to gauge wether a player likes building and painting is good thing.For the intro paint sets, they could have done 5 chaos warriors + paints to make them look like on the box art and another one with 5 Jade Guard + paints.
I just learned that the War of Settra arcane journal changed the lore of the crusadesnow they were waged against the Tomb Kings and no longer against Arabyan invaders as in the older lorefuck corporate GW and its rule against having brown people as the bad guysthe worst thing is that when they end up actually doing Estalia for the Old World, I'm sure they will have them mixed with Arabyans just like real history Al-Andalus but without the invasion part; instead it will be just peaceful exchange, immigration and mixing
>>98339917>until the rise of professional armies.Cavalry remained a dominant force even then. Yes, the progress of technology eventually saw the end of knightly dominance (guns, pikes, larger armies and greater costs required to provide countermeasures - this is the real kicker imo, knights just became less and less economically viable) but they remained a significant force. Once again, the hussars at vienna. Janissaries were not random rabble; they were a professional and disciplined military force. >If they only give ground, the cavalry will get fucked.Well yea, thats kind of how its always been with warhammer. If the cavalry can deal enough damage to force a rout they can steamroll, if they cant they will be bogged down and die (unless theyre chaos knights, who at least historically were actually specialized sloggers rather than shock cav, with multiple but consistent S5 attacks).
Does anyone have the image of crudely drawn Bryan Ansell having a picture that says "It's pronounced Zo-ats" on it?
Are there any good sources of bits for kitbashing chaos warriors/cathay in the new core set? I like to make my dudes my own but I don’t own any old world stuff
the lore for the knighthood rules in bretonnia makes no senseif all young knights must fulfill a dangerous task before becoming actual knights or inheriting their father's estates, then it would throw a wrench in most successions; too many of them risk dying over the course of their Errand and most bretonnian noble houses would be in disarray over the lack of heirsI know that historically, most young male nobles would be exposed to the dangers of war early in their life, but they would be part of a larger army, surrounded and helped by other fighters and it wasn't mandatory to inheritbretonnian Knights Errant have to fulfill high risk tasks alone in the wilderness, on their own otherwise they can't advance at allthis is true as well for the Quest for the Grailwe know that most knights who take up the quest die or gibe up before finding the grail and that only a tiny minority get to drink from it, the trouble is that per the lore, the King of Bretonnia must always be a grail knight, however the quest is even more dangerous that the task of Knights Errants, the knight doing it must do it alone and it can last years or even decades the history of bretonnia should have hundreds of prospective heirs to the crown dying or disappearing before being able to become king unless we assume that the Lady of the Lake willingly makes it easier for the heir apparent (unlikely)I know that this is a fantasy game and that we shouldn't think too deeply about the numbers and the inner workings ("it's magic and shit !") but I still find it hard to accept
>>98340089>5th ed grogs will read this and will still tell you that Stillman wrote the best warhammer lore ever
I wonder if when GW do release their rumored Wood Elf box they'll make a soup regiment of renown, like a Laurelorn mixed Empire/Wood Elf army to mirror the Chaos one
>>98339810>>98340073>hussars in Vienna You keep mentioning them, but it seems your understanding is based entirely on the mythologicized version and not the actual history. The cavalry didn't charge in head first, the Ottomans saw 18,000 cavalrymen coming their way (at this distance the cavalry were moving at a trot, not even charging) and they started retreating in a very disorganized fashion, which left easy picking for a massive cavalry unit.
>>98340102Which Chaos one, anon?
>>98340102why would you ever think that would happen? It is pretty obvious that they didn't include the WE and TK battle march forces in the book because both are getting new models and that those models will replace the old plastics. Doesn't take a genius to work out what kits will be in the battle march does it? Wood Elves will get glade guard and some kit like a treeman and maybe a new glade lord kit on foot and mounted, TK will get plastic skellies, archers and chariots and a chariot prince.
>>98340150The main thing being replaced on the WE front is metal anon not plastic
>>98340102>Empire/Wood Elf armyBretonnia/Wood Elves would make much more sense. Or Empire/Dorfs
>>98340089No one ever said that Bretonnian knights had only one wife.1 wife = 5 children.2 wives = 10 children.3 wives = 15 children.
>>98340102>like a Laurelorn mixed Empire/Wood Elf army toew, fuck off.
>>98340085No there is none. warriors barely get any fucking bits in there besides maybe some heads.
>>98340162>No one ever said that Bretonnian knights had only one wife.their lore don't mention polygamy anywhereand even if it was true I don't think it address my point which is the inherent danger of the bretonnian advancement system
>>98338674Holy shit he's actually retarded. Glad I didn't help you
>>98340089Having too many sons was historically a problem for landed nobility, so sending a bunch to off to die in wars or get eaten by monsters is probably beneficial to the Bretonnian order.The Lady probably does make the grail quest easier for the royal heir, because Bretonnian society is her creation. Beyond that it's up to the Lady via her proxy the Fey Enchantress to actually crown the King of Bretonnia, so in theory any Grail Knight would do.
>want to bring trolls to the game tomorrow>don't want to talk about regenerationuhhghghh
>>98340243please tell me oh most enlightened one, what sort of dumb thing did I say exactly to anger you ?
>>98340089For the king part it's pretty clear that the Fay appoint a new one (from the Grail knights i guess?) herself if no heir available.
>>98340266What's happened with regen?
This mounted chaos lord is really starting to grow on me. For some reason, whenever I paint these 5th ed models, I start off absolutely despising them and then slowly come to love them.Maybe it's the trim.
>>98340089>I know that this is a fantasy game and that we shouldn't think too deeply about the numbers and the inner workings ("it's magic and shit !") it reminds of when years ago, some player asked Gavin Thorpe how it is possible for the Druchii to have viable reproducing population given that is a canon fact that elves have a low reproduction rate, that Dark elves are constantly at war and they regularly murder each other in american purge style murder parties in the name of KhaineGavin's answer was basically that one shouldn't give too much thought about this and that there were literally as many elves as GW writers needed for the need of the storyline
>>98340578Why did you put him on such a large base?
Less than 12 hours left on that MTO
>>98340194I mean bits from other kits I can stick on the new warriors
>>98335881How about you actually learn the game you lazy faggot. You shouldnt need the rulebook to play the game after a while outside of weird exceptions or using obscure units you rarely know. Do you also need to look up the wound and hit charts each time by any chance?
>>98340633Because daemonic mounts are cool and fun and also really strong despite everyone, even competitive players, ignoring them. Technically, they're supposed to be on 40x60mm bases in TOW, but screw that. 50x50mm 4 lyfe. Especially now that daemon princes were functionally removed from the game, chaos lords/champions on daemonic mounts are going to be up in a big way. Still utterly worthless in comparison to dragon lords (on that topic, my chaos lord of Tzeentch on dragon project has hit a major snag and will need to be delayed), but that's the way of things.
Something big is on its way
>>98340972grail chapel?
>>98340972I tried my hand at 3d printing terrain like 5 years ago and that shit was so hard to get right. Constant misprints, constantly struggling to level the bed, it was such a hassle
>>98341056>>98341056>>98341056>>98341056New
>>98337790>A peasant riding a really big pig.So, just how big a pig are we talkin' here?
>>98341018Printers have come a long way, you essentially press start and wait nowadays
>>98340660Thanks for the reminder
>>98340058I just choose to believe that there were two crusades and that GW writers suck on cocks in their spare time
>>98340073>a dominant forceThey remained important up through the ACW, but they were no longer the dominant force on the battlefield. >>98341095>$200 for 12 minisOink oink
>>98341095>77 for a fucking wagonPlease tell me these are AUS prices
>buy some cork on a whim>put some on my dude’s base cause he’s supposed to be a “kitbashed” character>making him ever so slightly taller does make him look betterDamn I gonna restart my Dwarves too at this point to make an easy Thane and maybe Rune Priest.
>>98341275>>making him ever so slightly taller does make him look betterthis is the path to primaris state troops
bafflingConstant baffling ebay sellers, unwilling to accept their preassembled model is not worth as much as a new in box model.
>>98341499I used to be even more surprised. What's baffling isn't the seller selling. It's the people buying it.
>>98341499Ebay sellers are literally more expensive than buying new from an LGS or even GW half the time. Its bafflifg how this works.
>>98341219>Poor "people" squealing
>>98334516A kingly gift
