The King in the Woods Edition>Resources:WFB: https://pastebin.com/qVGrgwwhWM: https://pastebin.com/EsDAgebaWFRP: https://pastebin.com/inbyBsR6Novels: https://pastebin.com/PFqPDr0H>TOW:https://gofile.io/d/fxFgXShttps://www.warhammer-community.com/downloads/warhammer-the-old-world/>Warhammer Chronicles:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/0xt777 (dot) zip>Time of Legends:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/q46ut6 (dot) zip>The End Times:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/j7d0t5 (dot) zip>Battle March General's Compendiumhttps://mega.nz/file/tP5STCAS#4yDuu8WLk-Mn4Ut2pe7x7AWwxJmEjXW5cvV0xtwMWD4>Alternative Models:https://pastebin.com/xPeM9szL>Previous Thread:>>98334111>Thread Question:Assuming the Wood Elf refresh is real and coming later this year, which units do you think most desperately need a refresh?
>TQ Foot knights need a defresh
>>98341068Your reading comprehension needs a refresh
>TQWardancers, Warhawk Riders, and Waywatchers.Maybe a GladeLord with a banner mounted and on foot kit as well
>>98341056Got a battle planned against Dark Elves this Wednesday! Kinda hyped, not only to play, but also to face them as I have only done it once before.
Today was a very productive day. Perhaps my warband will be under new management sooner than I thought.
>>98341068I think it's good that foot knights look like shit because bretonnia shouldn't have foot knights in the first place
>>98341090Kino, make flags from their skin anon.>>98341098Noooo you've gotta give Dehumanizer another chance
>>98341068These make Votann look good
>>98341095I'm surprise the baggage cart MTO has been so popular with people on /wfg/.
>>98341135I have a 5e Bretonnia army and the horse on the cart is a 5e horse. Simple as. Gonna use the Bugman's cart as a third since I have dorf crewmen on my catapult (trebuchet)
>>98341135Piggies love their slop.
>>98341056
>>98341109>make flags from their skin anon.Win or lose, my beasts shall have their fill of elf flesh>https://files.catbox.moe/wmdj91.mp4
>>98341148It was a bit weird that Orion Jobbing question was deemed worthy of being in the Q&A
>>98341160It's because Wood Elves are getting a refresh. Those Q&A's are just marketing panels for their products.
>>98341167Were any of the other questions about things that weren't in the preview?Even the Primarch question was there due to a pre-preview question where they said all the Primarchs were dead
I've just read the Battle March pdfs and it's literally just the matched play objectives with 3 optional random event tables.I don't know why that's supposed to be a big deal, it's literally just the regular game.
>>98341160Wood Elves vs Beastmen box.
>>98341179The objectives are a bit different and have had rule changes like the baggage carts getting proper statlines and the Objectives markers rule changing, probably for the better
>>98341179>>98341205>objectives I've never understand caring about the book objectives when anyone can make up way cooler ones by themselves
>>98341068Anyone know good alt models for these guys?
>>98341246There's a 50/50 chance that what you think is cool is actually retarded for someone else.
>>98341252I just bought foot knights from the wargames foundry medieval ranges for mine.
>>98341254There is a 100% chance GW scenario objectives are shallow and bland minimum effort
>>98341252My personal favorite because crusaders are the best:https://www.myminifactory.com/object/3d-print-crusaders-core-unit-highlands-miniatures-167929Otherwise these are also okay:https://www.myminifactory.com/object/3d-print-household-knights-on-foot-pre-supported-30mm-fantasy-354147
>>98341100> bretonnia shouldn't have foot knights in the first placeelaborate your reasoning
>>98340660is this true ?that sucks !!
>>98341292Why not just use high quality historical proxies like people have been doing since the 80s? If there is any army that is made for historical proxy it'd Brets
>>98341299not him but less options would make them have a stronger identity. I personally think that only high elves, I SUPPOSE cathay, and chaos should have access to dragons in their roster. We've reached the point where tomb kings can have a dragon and I frankly think thats beyond retarded and ruins the identity of the game.
>>98341292>My personal favorite because crusaders are the best:I personally prefer the other Highland footknights, the crusaders look really good but the scale is a little off and I have Autism. https://www.myminifactory.com/object/3d-print-knights-of-gallia-on-foot-highlands-miniatures-323868Extremely hype for his Norse line coming in August, I like the new GW marauders but I want less explicitly chaos barbarians.
>>98340058>now they were waged against Tomb KIngs and no longer against Arabyan invadersall soul has gone out of GW
>>98341320Those are low quality hand sculpted minis off by at least 3 centuries you retarded perrynigger.
>>98341330NTA but no, those are HYW men at arms, you don't know shit + you're fat and gay
>>98341329can't have poor brown people doing the colonialism in the game now, they must always be the victims of colonialism
>>98341330>off by 3 centuriesTell me, "century" is Bretonnia in?
Are there any good sources of cathay or chaos warrior bits? Maybe in AoS? Stls or plastic kits are good
>>98341313Yep, MTO's are always a limited-time thing
>>9834134615th with elements of 14th, the latter mostly in 6e+ nu-Bretonnia
>>98341357Kek dumbass
>>98341346>>98341337My crusading force is 11th-12th century, accepting some early 13th century design. What you posted is 15th century.Get fucked perrynigger
>>98341320These look like cheap dogshit
>>98341357>>98341395Bretoonians have historical elements stretching from Arthurian legend to the Crusades and all the way to the 15th century HYW era. Trying to pin them one specific historical period is idiotic
>>98341147Different scale + different style + sorry to hear $45 is a significant sum to you
>>98341400>these look like cheap dogshit
>>98341403When did I give you the impression that I gave a shit? I said I liked crusaders, my brets are early crusaders. Therefore if you're going to post shitty low quality 15th century hundred years war or war of the roses knights asking me why I'm not buying that shit I'm gonna say that's because they look off by 3 centuries.
>>98341418Post your Brets, larper
>>98341423Say please you dumb bitch.
>>98341423Funny coming from someone who literally is incapable of showing a single GW model with a timestamp
>>98341427>no models As I suspected
>>98341431Beg for my models.
Goblin Bigboss Light armor, shield, BSB (da spider banner), Giant spider mount, and Da Akrit AxeGoblin Oddnob Wizard 4, Arachnarok spider, dispel scroll, idol of morkGeneral Goblin Warboss light armor, shield, giant spider, Backstabber's BladeNight Goblin Bigboss Light armor, shield, Backstabber's BladeNight Goblin Oddgit Wizard 2, Da Hag's Brew10 Spider Riders: Cavalry Spear, Light Armour, full command10 Spider Riders: Shortbow, Light Armour, boss and musician10 Wolf Riders: Cavalry Spear, Light Armour, reserve move30 Night Goblins, netters, 3 fanatics, spears, 3 fanatics, full command, Da angry Ladz bannerArachnarok Spider2 Doom Diver CatapultsWhatcha ya'll anons think of this goblins list, they're able to get a 10% point handicap for my local scene so that's why it's slightly over 2k points. I'm thinking about dropping the hag's brew and idol of mork for the stone thrower on one of the Arachnaroks. Not entirely sure which I'd swap, but one of em would probably be better off with the stone thrower, I think. Also, would I be better off using the wolves as the archers while the spiders are all armed with spears? Thinking 5 base wolf squads to have the most shots possible, and easiest job of moving em around.
>>98341473Also, the giant spiders for the bosses can be ranked up with the spider riders, right?
>>98341403>stretching from Arthurian legendLol no. They're HYW frogs with two (2) Crusade era models, unless you're talking 3e>t. Bretist
>>98341517>frogs Not even true. Their naming conventions are French, but they take a lot of influence from both medieval France and Britain.
Does anyone have a Dwarf Warrior and a Dwarf Iron Breaker/Drake model to compare to one another? I like the full plate look with the beard sticking out, but if the TOW box comes with enough bits to make 20 either or, I would like to mix bits to spruce up my Warriors too if th proportions are similar.
>>98341521Fair. The knights are 100% French, especially the 5e plastics. The footmen blend both.
>>98341521How are these generic medieval footmen "British"
>>98341544>bills>kettle helms>longbows/his/let faggot
>>98341552It's genuinely hilarious to see how anglos mystified bows and ended up believing their own hype lol
>>98341521Yeah I love how in twwh the peasants speak in english accents but the knights in french accents. its great.
>>98341544>classic longbowman tropes>quintessential English billhooks>Robin Hoodesque attire Come on breh
>>98341552You can’t act like the British were the only people who wore Kettle Helmets and had Longbows.
>>98341573>Robin Hoodesque
Beastmen are no different from Bretonia when you think about it
>>98341595God green bases look so damn good, I'm gonna do green bases on my painting event submission
>>98341580>You can’t act like the British were the only people who wore Kettle Helmets and had Longbows.No, but the English were the only people to maintain a strong core of trained Longbowmen on a relatively large scale for a long time, even beyond the Medieval period. The Assize of Arms and Archery laws were fairly unique, at least in how they were kept.
>>98341580The french obviously had bows, but it's pretty well know that the french in the HYW made it regulation to equip their archer corps with crossbows
>>98341573Only Halberdier 2 looks to be wielding the English Billhook, the other 2 seem to be wielding ones more often seen in Italy and France. Though that only reinforces the point that Brettonia is more a melting pot of Middle Age cultures than entirely French (at least in conception)
>>98341632Halbardier 2 and 3 are very clearly holding later medieval English bills, Halbardier 1 is holding a more glaive style bill, which was commonly used in England in the high middle ages a few centuries before the classic English later medieval billhook
>>98340089holy shit, I never thought about it but it's true
Is Brettonia the autism faction?
>>98341703yes
>>98341663it's not even really true in the fluff. knight errants serve in retinues of a senior knight in battle and only the ones who prove themselves capable are given tasks that let them become a knight of the realm. they aren't just sending them all off to their deaths with low completion rates. and since the tasks are set by their patrons, there's nothing stopping lords from giving their sons easier tasks and ensuring succession>>98341703after this thread the last few days I'm starting to think so. it seems like every other faction just gets to be as retarded as it wants with no issue
>>98341703it's definitely beastmen, I mean look at fag posting the same pic every day for 2 fucking years
>>98341710I want to embrace full retard brets, but everyone else pigeon holes bretonnia and treats their lore as sacred, meanwhile dwarf airships have gyrocopter hangar bays.
>>98341714Beastmen are a boring faction because there is essentially zero personalization for your army. What color are you going to paint them? That's right - brown.
>>98341727Bretonia are a boring faction because there is essentially zero personalization for your army. What color are you going to paint them? That's right - brown.
Well, bestigors still suck. Furious charge helps them, but they still ultimately work only as ablative wounds for characters. Did two games today and did 3 total wounds across both games. Unit of 10 and 11 in second game. I lost the first game cause they got charged (and some bad luck in other places), and in second game they got their extra attacks for 3 wounds but dwarfs are dwarfs and did 3 back. I won the combat cause my Beast lord did 6 wounds in the challenge over whelming his static rez of 5. I won that game almost entirely on the backs of the centigors, preyton, and razorgor.Minotaurs are just straight better for the same role. If bestigors could take hand weapon shield then they could have an interesting use in the army. Or if they could ambush, but oh wait, Warpgors can ambush and other than being open order instead of close order, are just straight up better in every way.Furious charge on gors is a fantastic change though, really helping them after the horrible nerf they got when charged units got 2 ranks to fight back with. If frenzy always gave the +1 in all combats again, it would once again make them a fantastic unit.
>>98341703It's the skub faction. 5e/6e/TOW are basically 3 distinct armies with wildly different aesthetics.
>>98341778That’s true for basically all armies
>>98341719is bretonnia seen as the least fantastical faction somehow? that might explain it. either that or it's just constant nitpicking by the small cult of empirefags who think the empire should be the only human faction
>>98341792Not to the same extent.
>>98341778>>98341792Which is why you're encouraged to pick what you like, ignore the rest, and not argue about canon in the background fluff of what is essentially just an advertisement for plastic toys. Lore autism and worldbuilding obsessions exploding in the last 1.5 decades hasn't really meshed well with warhammer imo.
>>98341793I've had some ideas involving Tarasque...
>>98341802>pick what you like, ignore the rest, and argue yours is the bestFTFY
>>98341068when I see the quality of the recent chaos warriors/knights, I can't believe they fucked up these models so much, all they had to do was to take inspiration of the 5th ed models and update the design language exactly like the designers of the new chaos warriors did but instead hey chose that weird designI can only hope that the quality of the new chaos models point to what will be eventually future bretonnian mounted knights
>>98341100during the late medieval period, a lot of knights fought on footwhy shouldn't that be the case for bretonnians ?
>>98341822>when I see the quality Do you mean the lack there of? The Xbox huge space marine pauldrons are somehow more embarrassing than the knights.
>>98341808I fundamentally disagree with bretonnia having "big monsters". They are the knight faction, the antithesis of monsters. Its not that they arent fantastical, they are, they represent a higher sort of heroism than what the empire has. But they are fundamentally meant to be the guy opposite the big monster. Even what passes for a monster of theirs (the hippogryph) is part horse, small, its basically an angrier version of a pegasus. I would sooner accept some sort of divine manifestation of the lady's wrath (you know, sort of like the green knight) than "they have a dragon". And miss me with that st marta shit, she killed the fucker.
>>98341320Yea these look like trash. There might be good historical proxies, you sure as fuck havent posted any.
>>98341822Brother I wish I was this easy to please. Indeed, if only I was content with goy slop my life would be so much simpler
>>98341837The whole mythos of the tarasque was that a maiden was the only one who could tame the beast. So for me it would be a prophetess mount that is more of a way of giving armor and unbreakable at the expense of large target.Meanwhile the peasant version suffers from stupidity and impetuousness, and frenzy, but is only stubborn, but does get poisoned longbow attacks. neither would involve the knights, knights are beneath such things. but peasants and women......
Ooooh can we post ai images here? I have a couple ideas I want to share for my empire-skaven homebrew
>>98341848>>98341837Is also my opinion of models within a faction. >>98341802You don't have to police a whole faction to have the army you find aesthetic.
>>98341848>The whole mythos of the tarasque was that a maiden was the only one who could tame the beast.>which is why theres a peasant versionAnd you have still missed the point. It doesent matter if a knight is literally riding it or not, it clashes with the fundamental themes of the faction.
>>98341853All posts welcome :)
>>98341752>runs 10 man units of 10ppm(?) infantry>is shocked they dont win combats on their own
>>98341862I disagree, the king rides a Hippogryph. They invented monstrous cavalry with the pegasus knight. And having alternate themes like Exiles make the faction more fun while not forcing you to commit to units. I hated the idea of foot knights, since they were just boring and didn't solve anything, but it didn't stop people from getting them. I'm not going to complain, I'm just not going to get any myself as they don't fit my play style.
>>98341837>they represent a higher sort of heroism than what the empire hasBut not really. This was taken from them. As was their hippogryphs. Bretonnia COULD have been a cool monster knight cavalry, with knights taming exotic beasts as part of their quests and tasks, but they were robbed and not even left with a moral highground. They're literally just dumb assholes on horses: the faction.
>>98341837>I fundamentally disagree with bretonnia having "big monsters".What about a very large pig?
>>98341808>>98341848all your ideas are trash
I still think brets should have giant snails in some form. But maybe it'd be too whimsical for most bret players.
>>98341923What about the questing beast?
>>98341930Seems like they'd be late to every battle
>>98341878>They invented monstrous cavalry with the pegasus knight.Chaos with juggernauts.
>>98341936>Questing Knight on Questing Beast characterI need it...
>>98341930No... That is pure KINO
>>98341949Sorry but that clashes with the faction identity
>>98341930Fuck off unfunny bong
>>98341930Anthony Reynolds typed this fucking post.>>98341936I want it, but only for a single named Pellinore-esque character. Some kind of quirky, mad old knight who's hopelessly pursuing the Grail, to represent that some never achieve it.
>>98341949>>98341955>Sorry but that clashes with the faction identityI disagree>>98341973>a single named Pellinore-esque character. Some kind of quirky, mad old knight who's hopelessly pursuing the Grail, to represent that some never achieve it.that would actually stick to the faction identity as something straight out of arthurian mythos like the Green Knight
>>98341973Id make it a little less fantastical and more grounded
>>98342060That's a giraffe
>>98342064Some say the questing beast is an interpretation of a giraffe
>>98342064some think the questing beast was inspired by a giraffe
Idk if I'd ever play a roleplay game again but the idea of bascialy playing Donald Duck as a knight of the everlasting light seems fitting
empire newfag here building a battalion box i got on sale before they get pulled, going to build x30 halberds and 2x15 handguns for a nuln army. would i ever want more infantry than that? i was considering getting another box of cc state troops to run with swords and shields.
>>98342060
Hey ya'll, I main Cathay>Your cannons are overpowered3 for x165 is 495 points. We have no engineers, so I hope you survive our alpha strike>Your shooting is overpoweredI laugh at dumb shit chaos who are only melee. I pray I kill enough of you to make it irrelevant, because you outclass my melee in every interest>That's what makes it balanced!No, the fact that I lost in every melee engagement to you, so I try to delay as many turns as possible shooting the shit out of you, is called balance.>But I'm very angry and salty, just let me kill you with meleeNo, lol, eat my fucking cannonballsGod I fucking love cannonballs. I fucking love bringing your 500 point dragon to half health. I love removing swiftstride. It feels so fucking good.
I hope Cathay gets more releases
>>9834186713pts - 30mm WS4, S4, T4, I4, A1 Heavy armor, Great weapon.7pts - 25mm WS4, S4(on charge), T4, I3, A1, Two hand weapon.Both have primal fury, warband, furious charge, and blood rage. Gors still out perform them for their cost. Especially if they recieve the charge instead of charging themselves. Gors do win combats on their own. Hell, 10 Gors out perform 10 bestigors cause at least I can run the Gors in skirmish for the ranged penalty and 360 vision. Also compare to Minotaurs.44pts - 50mm WS4, S5, T4, W3, I3, A3, light armor, HW+Shield(2pts per). Also has all the same abilities as the gors, but also has one higher movement, impact hits 1 (AP1), Foe Render (AP2 on HW if primal fury), cause fear, and Blood greed (A+2 instead of A+1 on frenzy). 3 Minotaurs with champion - 14411 bestigor with champion - 15118 gors with champion - 151Gors outperform against chaff, minotaurs outperform against everything above chaff. Bestigors still suck because they don't have a purpose in the army. Gors make better ablative wounds for characters, can have static rez without blowing a ton of points, and spike harder.
>>98342113Who cares my dude, you’re losing bestigors for chaos warriors once they both soup each other and even then warriors will still be woefully mediocre.
>>98342115An aoi soup list won't eliminate bestigors from beastmen aoi's
>tourneyfaggotryStillman-sama weeps for you
>>98342141
>>98342145I'm happy you got to use this yesterday and all, but you being a newfag and not knowing STILLMANIA does not make my post vague.
>>98342115After just looking at Chaos warriors I can see why they aren't great, but at least they have fucking options. Also, empire greatswords are 2 pts cheaper than bestigors and have platemail and stubborn. They lose the reroll 1s on primal fury and possible frenzy, but god damn, greatswords are much better.
>>98342151>No argument, not even trace of a well-developed opinion>Scam-mania Like a clockwork, the most iconic duo.
>>98342189>argumentThere is none, just calling you a fag.
>>98342151At least post the real one
>>98342220Anyone have the other "tick tock"/Night Goblin pepes? I like 'em.
>>98342218>youHoly cope, expected nothing more from a Stilltard.
>>98342151It's funny that so many autistic slop enjoyers get so worked up over this pic. If literally says it's just his opinion, but the autists try and litigate it like it's a rigid legal code. Like, you can still enjoy The Spirit of the Game without following Stillmans personal opinion religiously
>>98342233His opinion (the correct one)
>>98342233I had two guys at my LGS get visibly upset when this guy was brought up in a conversation once and i said i did not care for him. Tribalists are weird
>>98342151>Always give your opponent the benefit of the doubt I am able to do this when playing with /awg/ folks, but when playing Warhammer every faggot tried to WAAC and swindle every single game
>>98342257>I said I did not care for him Are you able to articulate why, or are you just a special snowflake contrarian?
>>98341056>Assuming the Wood Elf refresh is realWas anything said about a potential refresh or is this copium?>which units do you think most desperately need a refresh?All of them
>>98342271Apologise and try to articulate your question without thinly veiled seething and i might consider it
>>98342279I don't actually care enough for all dat desu
>>98342151Everything but handmade terrainI enjoy the board I 3dp and crafted
>>98342287the hills are hand made
>>98342287>>98342292Is this AI?
>>98342292my board is inspired by nagraand from warcraft but I tell my friends its the plain of tuskers since its the only tropical savanah in warhammer
>>98342300nah I got the same hills and plants in my ghost archipelago board
>>98342300what makes you think its fake and gay?
>>98342304Very nice >>98342287Why no printed buildings?
>>98342306But I do have 3dp buildings
>>98342301Big lad
>>98342316>we have Warhammer Fortress at home
>>98342071>go to the merchant district to see the forgieners>see some from ind>they are selling tapeworms>a tasty gravy comes with it for some with itSerious question. What is the ethnic make up of a town like pigbarter? The human town on the coast of the gnoblar country? It has this weird mix of central asian and the town from labyrinth feel since its the only place where greenskins and humans co-exist (kinda)
>>98342316What purpose?
>>98342378Anon printed castle >>98342316 has much more soul than the GW one desu.
>>98342441Honestly just for the scenerio. In my imagination its the remains of the crumbling walls>>98342436They are very very rare irl but I have seen like 2 in my life that are genuinely beautiful. But yeah most are uggos
>have made a nice little stash of boxes with that smooth cardboardI’m feeling pretty Chinese. Any suggestions for Cathay themed terrain?
>>98342420>what is the ethinic make up of Pigbarter?Apparently, dipshit Youtubers>>98342454Walls with a gatehouse. Almost every chinese town had walls.Rice terrecesa river and a fancy round bridgea big fucking bell
>>98342454>>98342460>ancient chinese people made miniature buildings tooDamn wtf. Do you think they played war games with them?Anyways I like the wall and gate idea. Might do that and a watchtower. Maybe put a big bell in the watchtower?
>>98342498Does current WHFB have good siege rules? I remember them in the 6e book but I never played it
>>98342498Probably architectural models.
>>98342504If you mean an actual siege with engines and ladders, just use the Warhammer Siege book from 6e. TOW just has rules for building combat. For a proper siege, either use the classic rules or write your own.
>>98341476Yes
>>98342511Apparently they are architectural models meant as burial items
Sketching ideas for chaos mongolian style conversions
>>98342530
>>98342530Neat. I think Chaos Mongolians are called the Hung (lul)
>>98342530>>98342536The Cathayans are going to have some serious mongoloid beef with these guys
>>98342539It is literally correct (pre-kike hegemony) sociological syntax to refer to azns broadly as mongoloid, just as wypipo are caucasoid and negroes are negroid. You didn't need to spoiler that to hide from janny. Speaking of which, what do the Chinese and Japanese think of Cathay? Is it actually selling well in Asia?
>>98342548it was to cover the pun of mongolian beef. beef being a slang for quarrel and mongolian beef being an ironically taiwanese style of cooking
>>98342548I was going to paint my cathay dudes black red and yellow/gold, but maybe I should do black, white, and yellow/gold…
>>98342570>I should do black, white, and yellow/gold…It would be impressive but make sure to find a god paint scheme that doest crush your soul if you do those colors. Especially that combo
>>98342548The Japanese don’t care for it because it looks nothing like dynasty warriors I don’t blame them, even the mobs in that game looked cooler than the majority of Cathay.
>>98341528Minicompare.com
Started painting this piece >>98342306Not sure what to do with the roof color
>>98342755Sun-bleached red.
>>98342755How did you make the mortar?
>>98342784Your stupidity angers me. Stop being
>>98342530Check these miniatures, anon.Wraith Knights from Frostgrave.>>98342536
>>98342536
>>98342808>Stop being
For people looking for ideas for Cathay terrain, perhaps you can take inspiration from the Easterlings "scratchbuild" terrains from the old LOTR board game.
>>98342904
>>98342808What?
>>98342904>>98342908easterlings are so much cooler than cathay slop. I hope they get remade so I can play mesbg
>>98342904lol this one is just "castle but with Asian tiles"
>>98342912Horrible taste.
>>98342927>>98342908>>98342921You will obviously need to paint them in Cathay colours, add dragons figures, Harmony symbols, and pieces of shields from your Bits Box.
>>98342784Coated the whole thing in weather powder and then rubbed it off
>>98342946Kinda weird how GW will just make little terrain like that and feature them and not tell anyone how to recreate it.Assuming they don't just 3D print everything.
>>98343086They do 3d print a bunch, but even if they didn't why would they tell you how to build terrain when they're trying to sell you their own overpriced terrain kits?
>>98342454Maybe go for some of that TWW3 Cathay concept art So floating prayer wheels or a Fujian Tulou farm, Rice Fields ect.
>>98343086They do in the MESBG books, which have tutorials on making River Fords or destroyed housing using the Rohan house kits
>>98342808>Stop being-ACK
>>98342109The ogre loaders are essentially engineers. Also, you have no right to complain about being outclassed in melee. You have access to shugengan lords, remember?You wish you were even 1% as cool as Chaos. Quit chirping.
>>98342109based
well lads got the other half of my monopose boys done (sans base which will be done soonish)now time for the 30 regular double choppa boys
How necessary are lvl4 mages at 2k? Can a lvl3 mage do the same job? And 2 lvl2 mages?
>>98341936I’m confused why people think a questing beast would be some kind of ally or mount. In Arthurian legend it was something that was hunted by the knights.
>>98343276Level 4s suck now. You never take them unless you absolutely need to be able to cast 4 spells per turn. Level 3s are the way to go.2 level 2s is a horrible idea. Never do that. Bring 2 level 1s instead and use them solely to cast magic missiles at small units.
>>98343293First and foremost because warhammer fantasy isn't bound by rules implied by arthurian legend. They can write their version however they want.
>>98343293>>98343330And secondly because if you can tame chaos mutants like hippogryphs and flying lions then you can tame whatever the fuck the questing beast is. Also pretty sure it becomes friends with palamedes or whoever is some stories.
>>98343231Good job anon, it’ll all be worth it in the end
>>98343330>>98343357Sure, but by that logic a bretonnian monster could be anything, but people have specifically latched onto the concept of a “questing beast” like its an existing unit in fluff or something.
>>98343471its just a cool idea anon. gw could release a qb (short for questing beast) tomorrow and now its an existing unit in fluff who cares
I prefer it when we were talking about beastmen than Bretonian nonsense
>>98343471There was actually some leaked concept art for a hypothetical 8e bret book that had knights riding questing beasts.
why can't we split bretonnia in 4 regions instead of arguing about what direction bretonnia as a whole should go?>cartoonishly noblebright region>cartoonishly grimdark region>pseudorealistic coastal region>over-the-top magical woods regiondo you want mudcore and hypocritical tyrants? suit yourself do you want trained peasants and unwavering knights? take that subfactiondo you want a non-reinassance army with early firearms? alright go for itdo you want monsters and magics and sparkling water? there's a corner for you
Personally I think Bretonia should just be souped with the empire at this point
>>98343549Same with kislev, dogs of war, and cathayone book of menone book of chaos
>>98343554True
Bretonnia should have a giant beanstalk unit.
>>98343536That would have been smart. It has so many different regions that they could easily differentiate them enough
Any ideas on color schemes for dwarf clan warriors? I've started painting them green and gold I'm not satisfied, everytime I see a different scheme I think about stripping the unit and starting all over. There's not a uniforms and heraldry of dwarfs like the one for empire and skaven right?
>>98343732no there isn't any direct guide for Dwarf herledy. Maybe give some of the RPG books a look since those go into detail about Dwarf Culture more than anywere else
>>98343494Not necessarily trying to crap on the idea or anything, just seen it a lot here. For a centerpiece I’d be more partial to some kind of mobile chapel/shrine carried by a horde of peasants, like a super version of a Reliquae that works better.>>98343513Is there an image of this?
>>98343732their clothes are too small to be where you add colour without them also looking like cheap toy, keep their clothes in neutral grey and brown, and only add color to the shield
>WGA is finally planning to release that Warring States Han infantry kitwonder what took them so long
>>98342109>Plays most overpowered army>Still losesBased
>>98343752
>>98343880Looks like they wanted bretonnia to pretty weird. Is that a landship? And a flying castle?
>>98341329>>98341341Does araby even exist anymore or did all it's territory get given to tomb kangz
>>98342109The loader is an engineer. Don't lie I think Renegade Crowns, Brets, and Ogres are the only cannon factions that actually have to LIVE with the outcome of the misfire die.And the Sky lantern shooting is still bullshit for the cost.I also don't like Jade warriors getting reroll ones to save for ... Reasons.Also duel Shugengan is bullshit.But yeah the rest of the army is (now) fine, generally, especially in German Comp.
>>98342112They need the longma riders, the temple lions, the crow men. Then I think the list is fine and well rounded.
>>98342279Not that anon, but explain your position.
>>98342287A LOT of AoS on this pic.Like.... Every elf is an LRL model
>>98343513>>98343880Art style does not really looks 8th-editionesque
>>98343948I think you're mistaken anon
>>98343880capital k KINO
>>98343880woah based. empire shouldhave hippogriffs/griffons. bretonnia gets these beasts.>>98343905>>98343950its a Blanche piece probably from oldhammer times.
Any tips on playing Kangs? Have gotten my shit kicked in playing tons of infantry and chariots but I'm having fun. Heroes seem really weak though. Is BSB just useless on Kangs?
Say something nice about your new ogre queen.
>>98344002Hippogryphs and griffons are from different regions. Hippogryphs should stay with bretonnia. Although I do think they should have more monstrous cav options. Empire's demigryphs are already cool enough and their mechanical mount options are a great flavorful equalizer
>>98342113>10 Gors out perform 10 bestigors15*1/2*1/2*1/3 = 1.25 wounds into t4 3+ (like dwarfs)10*1/2*1/6*1/6+10*1/2*2/3*2/3 = 2.36 wounds into t4 3+. Nearly twice the damage. The damage output if gors DONT charge is much lower because they lose an attack AND strength. (damage for both would be slightly higher since primal fury or whatever)
>>98344057That looks like a shitty 3rd party. That rhino hippo thing looks fucking atrocious.
>>98343963All the HE are. The WE are WHFB
>>98344057Damn I didn’t know middle earth got a release
>>98344057She looks like she exclusively fucks black ogres
>>98344078Retarded mounts are pretty on brand for ogres though
>>98344137>All the HE areI really don't think they are. Take another look at the lumineth Infantry. They don't really look like that
>>98344073Yes thats correct, but I said out perform due to skirmish and 360 charge. 10 bestigors are stumping up in a straight ass line getting peppered with no recourse. 130 vs 70 for nearly the same kill potential means they are outperforming.And if they dont charge bestigors lose so much more killing power from wounds lost than gors, but if charged with units usually straight crumble either way.
>>98344149The Rhinox was very based though?
>>98344046bsb allows you to re-roll all leadership tests, so arise and mwbd and also reduces crumble for nearby units. its an auto take honestly
>>98344164It absolutely wasn’t. That thing is fucking hideous. You can’t even attempt to pull revisionism on that dogshit design. You’d think it’s a pig but it’s actually supposed to be a bear but it’s actually a saber tooth with a monkeys ass. All while carrying an awkward ogre on top of it.
>>98344149The issue isnt "its retarded", I dont mind the practicality or impracticality. The issue is that it looks bad. Its too smooth and round and "textureless", the entire new ogre range is.
>>98344175It has actually texture and detail unlike the abdominal female Ogre thing they released today that looks like an unironically etsy proxy
>>98344194>too smooth >too round >the fat ogres are too smooth and round Mmm.
>>98343934Daemons? I don't think the skull cannon gives rerolls or anything.
>>98344202If you like fur so much you should kiss your mums mouth, she has a bad habit of letting “texture” stay in between her teeth.
>>98344057All these beasts would have been better if they had fur
>>98344202>unironically etsyThose usually look better. >proxyYou're using that word wrong.
I know they wanted to make the new Ogre mounts environment agnostic, but they look like they belong on a savannah.
>>98344232You thought you ate with that one, huh?
>>98344057
>>98344254Not as much as your mum did apparently.
>>98344207Yes anon. Too smooth and round. Look at the older models. Yes, theyre fat, but they ooze texture and "roughness". Theyre big, but they feature the same strong features and hard outlines that warhammer has for an aesthetic. The new ones look like mierce rejects. Smooth metal, smooth skin, smooth ogres, curved bone.
>>98344194I know I just wanted to shit on all the ogre mounts
>>98343732Dwarf Warriors themselves are mustered from the general population of the hold, so they can in theory wear different things just fine if they march under the same banner. Irondrakes/Breakers/Hammerers are the regular standing army, so you definitely want to figure out your scheme before painting them.
>>98344263Forbidden techniques lost with the fall of Forgeworld
>>98343732Consider blue and bronze, that’s how I did my MESBG dwarves and I am quite happy with how they came out.
Why is this place so sane compared to 40kg?
>>98344057I really don't understand the decision to make ogres grim and bland.
>>98344301Mournfanghs filled the same role and more or less the same aesthetic. They just wanted a new mount (probably for marketing reasons) which is whatever. But ogre mounts always looked rough, among other things it helped with the idea that theyre barely tamed primal monsters.
>>98344312Slow posting starves shitposters
>>98344312>compared to 40kgTheres your answer.But WFB is a smaller community, we have our own shizos and shitposters (perryfag, bizzaro carnac back in the day) but its a smaller number of people posting, which means you get less responses if youre in it for the attention and theres less of the casual new blood that shits up 40k.
>>98344324We only really have the one, and he just talks to himself if no one takes the bait so overall that helps this place be calm as well
>>98344263That's the scraplauncher rhinox
>>98344312have you not been here for the past few threads
>>98344057I don't dislike it, but why are all their beasts hairless now?
>>98344402Have you been outside lately? It’s been hot as hell.
>>98344402They're trying to go the opposite of their stupid Forever Winter idea by going into the opposite extreme of Forever Summer.
>>98344057Does it really matter? Can anyone even tell it was a woman ogre? The male ogres have tits about the same size
>>98344170"To represent the Battle Standard's steadying presence, unless your Battle Standard Bearer is fleeing, friendly units within the Battle Standard Bearer's Command range may re-roll any failed Panic or Rally test. In addition, friendly units within the Battle Standard Bearer's Command range may re-roll the 2D6 when making a Break test. However, you must accept the result of the second roll, even if it is worse than the first."So no, not all leadership tests. Undead automatically pass all these.
>>98344435The new cats seem to contradict that.
>>98344435Is this why we don't have kislev
>>98344435Uh, no? They didn't say that anywhere.
>>98344046bruh wtf are you doing, bsb is literally the best unit in undead armies>>98344456Have you tried reading your army book?
>>98344447Really lame strategy, mr Workshop.
Would you prefer:>A: vampire counts return as they are>B: vampire counts return with a bretonnian vampire theme>C: vampire counts do not return but we get vampire coast
>>98344546Which option lets them just be a souping possibility with empire like all the other human factions
>>98344546Vampire Counts with additional ranged skeleton archer/crossbow/handgunner option.
>>98344546Jade Vampires
>>98344591Horrifying.
>>98344321TOW will get Ogres eventually so they cannot share design elements. Sabretusks were redesigned despite an updated design existing
>>98344546I don't want vampiresif undead pirates have vampires then I don't want to see them
>>98343787Why are they doing Warring States and not like, I don't know, Three Kingdoms or Five dynasties, 10 kingdoms, or just Tang?
>>98344057I love the mount, it actually looks like it could be a real animal instead of a retarded WoW mob, the decoration on the saddle are also 10/10.The fact that it's a ogress AND that she covers her boobs is beyond retarded.
>>98344546Mousillon vampires would be my top pick but I am also very much down for Vampire Coast.
>>98344773It's meant to be Han troopsIt's been a kit in development for years at this point
>>98344780I don’t think she’s covering it unless you consider a rather lewd bra a cover.
>>98344818ok retard
>>98344822ive gotta be retarded with my boner rn man.
>>98344809THIS IS WHAT I WATNED FROM CATHAY HOLY SHITCOULD I NOT HAVE THIS INSTEAD OF JADE WARRIORS BUT IN 32mm SCALE?
>>98344818>a rather lewd bra
>>98344835you see that hole in her bra? You know what its for.
>>98344809>>98344831Im convinced that you have holes in your brain if you think this somehow looks better than Cathay
>>98344831This looks like complete trash
>>98344849The swords alone mog whatever trash jade warriors carry around. The armor not eating up all the space also offers more personality too.
>What the guy calling new GW models slop thinks looks good AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>98344851>BAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHSHAHAHHSHSHSHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHA holy shit you made my day histslopper. Thank you sincerely.
>>98344851lollmao even
WGA is also doing a mutation sprue, so it will probably be easier to make Forsaken and more distinct warped Gor now
>>98344885I don't see anything cool in here though
>>98344057Somehow more attractive than the average female Stormcast model.
>>98344809I like WGA, but I don't like most of these the arms seem incredibly stiff and at awkward angles in some of these poses.
>>98344935Who is this Hudson regard?
Are Vampire Coast zombies sapient?
>>98344885Good fucking idea, ups to them. I don't know if I'm crazy about the bits that I see there, but I really like the idea in principle.
>>98344981faggot atlantic ceoAlso a guy who stole 2 kickstarter campaign money under the Tony Reidy alias.
>>98344989No I don't think so. The vampirates just have to put a little more effort into reanimation so they can perform more complex tasks while sylvanian vampires do the bare minimum. I don't think coast zombies are meaningfully more intelligent, no?
Niggas will maintain cannons to a functional standard for hundreds of years without taking a break and people will still have the gall to ask if they are sapient
Do we get the updated rulebook pdf this weekend?
>>98344057>every faction MUST be led by a nigger, a woman, or a nigger womanAge of Sigmar is nu-MtG level at this point. How exhausting.
>>98345023>>98345144They're not sapient, they're just zombies with more retention of their past human memories letting them perform a set of tasks within the skillset of their past life - they're not adapting to new circumstances like human beings, they're running on autopilot
>>98345199This is why I'm developing my own setting and game at the moment (incidentally with D10s for better granularity)Anything that gets big and corporate inevitably sells out and decides its chief aim is to run the DEI gauntlet
>>98342227Have one from me.
>>98344057Clown faction so it fits
>>98345212Cheers.
>>98345176Use https://tow.whfb.app/ , it's always updated.
>>98345241Thank you but I'm interested in being autistic over changes to lore sections
>>98345212>>98345217Finally found the one I was looking for image searching the archives.
>>98345211I've often thought about writing my own setting before discovering Warhammer, but I've come to realize Warhammer is everything I want in a fantasy setting. I don't want War of the Roses ASOIAF humanslop, I want warhams.
>>98344447They actually don't. All the female ogre minis have sideboob where the enlarged gutplates squish their chest. Still five minutes with a hobby knife & a little spruegoo to smooth it out and they can be fixed easily enough.
>>98344057Very nice of GW to add your mother to Warhammer.
Ran some trolls for the first time.>took 3 turns to get near the combat due to stupidity, immediately ran away due to another unit breaking next to them>failed stupidity again the next turnThese lads..
>>98345443When the swamp sends its trolls, it’s not sending its best
>>98345479Big dumb and smelly, but at least they look cute.To be fair, they did get charged in the end and went absolutely mental in the combat, so I see the potential. Just need to somehow get them in there.
>>98342227
>>98345443Man, you do know you can put them near your general to use their leadership right?
>>98344546A
>>98344546C for now.At some point later on in the timeline, after the Affair of the False Grail and the first Bretonnian civil war, I want B, as a Blood Knight/Red Duke/Merovech/Maldred Mousillon AoI. Abhorash and the Blood Knights in general seem to have had an enduring interest in Bretonnia in lore, probably because of the martial knightly culture.
>>98345657I did
From out of the Chaos Wastes bursts forth a great lord of slaughter and death. Blessed by all the gods, Lurch-Burn of the Hung is terrible (meliorative) and mighty indeed.Or maybe he isn't! Maybe he really is just terrible (pejorative)! I'll have to see how he performs on the table before casting judgment. Also, taking a nice photo of this model from the front is extremely difficult.
>>98345835Tharts a very big base for a chaos steed.
>>98345879He's riding a daemonic mount by the name of Fomelhaut.
>>98341068The sword and shield option looks great, it's just the shitty great weapons that look awful. And when they're painted properly, not like space marines, they're fine. They're probably my favourite unit. The banner is shite though, it's not even a fucking banner.
>>98345888>He's riding a daemonic mountIts cute that he named his pony, but thats not a demonic mount. Look at it! Its dinky! Its like someone dressed a chaos warhound up in a dress!THIS is a demonic mount!I would take an up to date picture but I havent painted it yet, blame horus heresy and other hobbies
>>98345835Kino. Make him fight dehumanizer
>>98345292getting this tattooed across my back
>>98345939I will concede the point, that is a mighty daemonic mount indeed. But not all is always as it seems when it comes to daemons. Any chaos lord worth his salt should know that!
>>98345981I think, if you have the parts for it, you could benefit from doing what I did once upon a time when I tried to pass a chaos steed off as a demonic mount. Add some warhounds on the empty space in the base to fill it out more. it helps with the sillhouette and sells the "this guy is a bit extra" thing rather intuitivelyBut I know youre doing the whole "5e models" thing and those warhounds are probably even more of a pain to get than my beloved 6e warhounds
>>98345989>>98345981Also your horse is "posed" wrong, or at least "in a way that makes it look even smaller". Its mid gallop, and having it faceplant like that makes it seem even less imposing. Id try have it rearing up (or at least head on). Maybe with a bit of a "basing rock", this is exactly the sort of situation that could warrant oneBut keep up the good work anon, your army is shaping up really nicely.
>>98344935Weird how any unmoderated internet spaces become right wing
Why are they erp texting? They're talking about /theirdudes/ models and lore.
>>98344546I'll take anything that isn't fucking Von Carstein again. Literally the worst bloodline.
>>98346147I dunno, people shouldn't be ashamed of posting their models.
>>98346233kys troon
>98346323Tranny has a meltie when others don’t validate his heckin fetish in public :(
>>98346374Fuck off with this off-topic bullshit.
>98346380Go neck yourself faggot
i understand having a problem with excessive dei shit but constantly complaining about it when it comes from an unrelated game system is just as annoying and the amount some people do it in here is verging on /pol/cancer territory
>>98346233From the way you paint I can tell you can give a good chud like me a mean old handy. And by handy I mean helping me paint my models after an invigorating hand job, my queen.
>>98345211>D10sBased. I prefer d6 but if you're going to change to d10 is nice. I am still mad KoW: Vanguard choose d8s.
>>98346323You're allowed to be as much of a cocksucking faggot as you want on here, but I'm not allowed to be hetero on the fag sites you favour. That's gay and makes you a fag.
>>98345443They do kinda suck. But I love them.
>>98346493But you’re here?
>even Duncan posting about Vampire CountsIs there new rumors or is it wishful thinking?
>>98346323Weak faggots can't handle truth or a little ribbing, they have to either censor or run away like the damaged little faggots they are
>>98346540Dunc just misses the good ol' days. Feels bad man
>>98345747Oh. Well im going to use some trolls myself this weekend so, wish me luck.
>>98345443>>98345747Ouch. I hear ya. I play lizardmen and stopped running Cold Ones because of Stupidity and that now in TOW it makes them stand around instead of stumbling forward. GW fucked Lizards hard when they fucked up Cold Blooded. It was formerly 3d6 drop the highest on any Leadership test; TOW made it only work for Fear, Terror and Panic. But didn't bother to fix the low Leadership most Lizardmen had to compensate for their 3d6 rolls. My general had a Leadership of 8.Luckily there are any number of fan rules like German Comp or Renegades Legacy that revert it back.>>98346699Good luck, anon. Hope your trolls are only moderately retarded.
what chapter should the muhreen be
>>98346766Smurfs
>>98346766Space Wolves.
>>98346766Put it under a little burrow/hollow/rock/inside a hollow log so it's more subtle of an Easter egg.>what chapterMarines Malevolent for memes, Ultragoys for recognizability, Grey Knights for plausibility (Kaldor Draigo literally appears in the Realm of Chaos in one of the End Times books)
The more I examine the new Ogre models to see if there is anything worth stealing, the less I like them. It’s just little things that add up into a lot. Like the regular Ogres and Ironguts being so similar visually, the Butchers (and related units) having gut plates when the lack thereof was once the sign of their faith, and how all the gut plates are so big without seemingly any consideration of how gut plates are a status symbol in Ogre society. Like why is a Tyrant gut plate and regular Ogre gut plate basically the same? I know AoS has different lore and the models are made for that system, but it just feels like a subtle downgrade.
>>98346772this one sounds the most interesting. i’ve yet to paint a furry.>>98346781>Put it under a little burrow/hollow/rock/inside a hollow log so it's more subtle of an Easter egg.thats completely genius, but i didnt think that deeply about it I just got excited at how silly it was and glued the helmet on
Greater demons are cooler than a chaos dragon, there I said it
>>98346844Easier to build whatever you use to obscure it around the helmet anyways.
>>98343948Every high elf in that image is a highlands miniatures 3d print
>>98341252>Anyone know good alt models for these guys?
Looking for rules clarification:"Should a Monarch of Nehekhara model suffer a hit whilst within 3" of this model, you may choose to transfer that hit and all of its effects onto this model."So, does a hit count as when an opposing model succeeds in a to-hit roll? Or is it when when you're allocating wounds?
>>98347454I think they changed how this works in the FAQ recently. Take a look
>>98347270Highly recommend Monstrous Encounters. Don't know about the rest of Highland's range but Gallia specifically is fucking shit
>>98347693>>98347693>>98347693SCATTER-SCURRY
>>98345292My setting is basically prehistory / ice age combined with select aspects of bronze / iron age europe and stuff the old testament (especially re a great flood, Nephilim etc).Kinda Conan-esque but very indo-european focussed, with demigod-like figures and their descendants roaming the earth and enthralling swathes of mankind
