elves in space editionDiscuss elves.Post elves.Love elves.All elf lore, games, stories, and anything else elfy is all appreciated.Previous thread: >>98322473
what are your favorite space elves that aren't from a market leading brand of space toy soldiers?
>>98342890They all kinda suck, often missing the elf-aspects or elfy themes, literally humans with pointy ears.
na'vi are elves (NAE)
>>98343007They're not, and frankly you have another thread to shitpost these non-/tg/ critters in. >>98302488
>>98342913Aa opposed to British posh gits and British post gits but 19th century.
>>98343018>tall>pointy ears>use bows>deep connection with nature>spiritual connection to their ancestors and goddess>have an evil inversion >in conflict with short greedy miners NAE.
>>98343039Are you the guy that says hylians are elves? The Cra?
>>98342882>The elves killed my family and burned down my village; now I am the Elf Slayer.
>>98342882Is that meant to be an Andorian? If so, heresy!
>>98343081no no, that's one of the elves from outsider
>>98343089Burn it like the rest!
>>98343063the elf slayer is an incel faggotthe elf layer on the other hand...
>>98343113There is already a thread for that.
>>98343120really? I can't see any
Here's a question (& request): Does anyone here have a physical copy of the 8ed. Dark Elves armybook, from Warhammer Fantasy?If yes, would you mind taking a few, good-quality, photos of the DElves' heraldry, please?I intend to upload them on the wiki pages - since the only crests & heraldry that one can readily find of the DE faction - particularly the 6 main cities of the Druchii - are the Total War: Warhammer assets.better than picrel, if it's not too difficult
>>98342890My own space elves from my own autism worldbuilding project. Not because they're particularly good, but because aside from 40k, good space elves (or space elves at all, for that matter) are a rarity.
Nintendo is dropping some new space elves.Rumor has it they will get the same treatment as most elves in Japanese media.
>>98343063Why would elves do that?>>98342890I don't like any space elves. I think elves belong in pseudo 8th-13th century classical fantasy
>>98343046He is not. Those Na'vi do check a lot of elf boxes though.Now why don't you try to give a reason that Hylians aren't elves so I can embarrass you again.
>>98342890Do Elerians count? What about Minbari?
>>98345085>pseudo 8th-13th century classical fantasyIs this even a thing outside of Tolkein, though? Most popular fantasy is like pseudo 14th-16th century with certain random elements backported into it and certain other elements erroneously pushed forward from the past.
>>98345136>why aren't the humans that call themselves human that are referred to as human by others not elvesThis is just like the Cra from Wakfu, whom like everyone else are also just human but they look different according to their god. Hylian is just an ethnic group, like Gerudo or Sheikah.The closest elf analogs in LOZ are the Kokiri and Zora.
>>98345050I call it the dragon age treatment
>>98345050XBis corpowokeslop now so who cares.
>>98345287Multiple people have explained to you that the Hylians calling themselves human is a localization issue. This is like arguing Elder Scrolls elves aren't elves because they are called a "race" in setting. I think you are just autistically fixating on a quirk of translation.Also the Gerudo are an entirely different fantasy race from Hylians. I don't think you know anything about legends of Zelda and should probably stop having opinions about its lore.
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>>98345485Are the Gerudo elves though?
>>98345485Except there is no "localization error" because even in Japan they are called humans and not elves.
>>98345706does Japan even have a word for elves. They use that ningen shit a lot.
>>98345485You have been coping that somehow them being human is not true because it just isn't.And Gerudo are just human. A human tribe with an esoteric curse where they only have one son a century and he's king chud every time as the incarnation of a demon lord.
>>98345740"Erofu". Aka elf.Pointy ears over there doesn't mean elf because this is a fucking dwarf.Succubi too have pointy ears, as do youkai.
>>98345599That's a tough one. I would say depictions where they have round ears are an obvious no. It's a harder call in games where they have pointy ears.Elves aren't clearly defined so people generally just decide what is an elf based on looks how elfy they seem based on vibes.Hylians look like elves and meet most elf tropes so its an easy call. Gerudo don't immediately look like elves and meet almost no elf tropes. I don't think of them as elves but I wouldn't object if someone else disagreed, at least regarding the BOTW versions.
>>98345772>meet most elf tropesLike human lifespan, human lifestyle, human bodies, and human society.
>>98345807Does that mean Vulcans are definitely elves?
>>98345752>>98345706They word they are using is a general term for sapient life. Its used in fantasy settings like the word people.https://japanese.stackexchange.com/questions/38481/the-cultural-meaning-of-%E4%BA%BA%E9%96%93-ningen
>>98345154maybe, post more examples and arguments as to why
Melniboneans aren't elves
how do you niggas generate AI elf portraits with no whites in their eyes
>>98345997SD models should recognize "black eyes" and "black sclera", Loras should help as well
>>98345991Strange, they are in my elf folder.
>>98344750No one?
>>98345246idk...I stated what I like, not what is general consensus
>>98342882>that cameo face on the bottom
I categorize some races as elf-like but not strictly elves. Like Vulcans, Na'vi etc, although Vulcans are pretty close to being space elves in all but name.
>>98346623I think they have too much archaic sci-fi gimmicks to be compatible.>no emotionslame trope IMHO
>>98346623>>98346637Vulcans are 100% Space Elves. Haughty, arrogant, ancient, long-lived, superficially similar to, and biologically compatible with, humans. They even have a Dark Elf counterpart in the Romulans.
>>98346108were you under the impression the people ITT play tabletop?
>>98345761>"Erofu". Aka elf.E-ru-fu, erofu sounds like a hentai pun.>Pointy ears over there doesn't mean elf because this is a fucking dwarf.>Succubi too have pointy ears, as do youkai.That's a visual trope that's not exclusive to Japan. Pointy ears apparently stem from Victorian depictions of fairies and elves and many fantasy creatures that were interchangeable.
>>98346030Post more then
>>98346108all my books are PDF's and it's not one of them sorry
>>98326057Sometimes I like to imagine what a buddy comedy between different types of elves adventuring together would look like
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>>98345991correct, if you consider Elric an elf then Kida is also an elf
Don't worry goonbros, it's soon over.
>>98347464They don't consider themselves human, they look down on humans, they're more attuned to magic than humans, aren't from this realmDon't remember if they're long lived though, or look any different from humans(Elric of course is the exception). They're descended from dragons but I think that's just what they tell themselves.
>>98347493Just realized I never seen that pic in such high quality before.
>>98347553their gimmick is not unique (to be fair mostly because people stole from Moorcock like it was a convivence store in the hood) and there are similar "high humans" both earlier and later. There's a real question there about what the hell the difference between that concept and elves actually is, but some would be adamant that they're separate. Clearly didn't stop GW anyway
>>98345287Sheikah are just a Hylian subgroup, they aren't their own thing. >>98345485Just because you're a retard and refuse to understand reality doesn't make it less true. Hylians aren't elves. They're literally nothing like them. They live as long as humans and they almost never have any natural magic affinity since magic users in Zelda are EXTREMELY rare and species doesn't seem to play much of a role there. They are humans, humans with slightly pointed ears. Round-eared humans exist (or existed depending on the game) as a distinct sub-group of general humanity, but Hylians are humans and are referred to as such in the English and Japanese versions of the game. Unless your contention is that literally the only thing necessary for elfishness is pointy ears.
>>98347732Don't know what to tell you, but the Kokiri are unaging thanks to the magic of the Deku tree, have fairy companions, live in tree houses, wear green, have pointy ears.Hylians themselves are stated to possess magical powers. Innately. I see them as the high elf variant of the Kokiri.Pretty sure an anon already mentioned that the series often uses the word "ningen" as an umbrella term for pretty much anything that isn't a monster or animal. Also, humans exist in this universe and are just ordinary humans. The Hylians have always something special and magical about themselves.The increased lifespan is certainly an important aspect of elves, but authors have been pretty liberal with it over the course of many decades of writing fantasy. And it's not always innate. Sometimes it's based on an external magical power.Honestly, Link isn't an elf, then that's very fucking sad for japanese elves in general
>>98347793>Hylians themselves are stated to possess magical powersThey don't. You need to have magic granted to you by fairies every game and only Hylia reborn has actual magic.Also having magic: round eared human girls(you see them in the oracle games and in Phantom Hourglass) and Ganon's moms.In Wind Waker there's nothing unique or magical about Hylians, they're just normal people and just happen to have pointy ears but aren't even referred to as anything separate from the other humans of the islands.Not to mention the ears are just a racial trait they say is to hear the voice of the goddess.
>>98347814>They don'tWell let's see what Mr. Nintendo has to say about this.
>>98346879I was certain that *someone* at least played tabletop games, with a bit of hope that there would be a random anon that had once played Fantasy, prior AoS.I mean, perhaps even this "Noldorfag" would have something related to help.>>98347075Eeh, It's alright. Thanks for answering anyways.
Got new favorite elves
>>98348226Picked up.After I worked on my backlog, so probably never
Have a doodle of Cute Redneck Elf back to her normal, everyday life.
>>98347779Hah!>>98347401https://www.irovedout.com/archive/Jokes aside, elf Dirty Pair would be cool.
>>98345136Hylians are treated as the setting equivalent of humans. Aside from pointy ears they don't really have any of the typical elf tropes, like long lifespan and affinity for magic or connection to nature. The Kokiri are a better analog to elves, being magical forest-people living in a hidden forest village. They're pretty typical wood elves other than being short, but that wasn't particularly untypical of elves until Tolkien made them 8 foot tall ubermench.
>>98347055>E-ru-fu, erofu sounds like a hentai pun that's the idea
>>98348767Tolkien's elves were close to the same size as humans from the "western" tribes. Galadriel was noted to be a tall woman at 6'4''.
>>98347832Implementation: none.Might just be folklore.
>>98348958The elves were generally described as taller but narrower of build. I can't remember if it was the Hobbit or Lord of the Rings but there was a scene where Gandalf was sitting next to Elrond at dinner and Elrond was nearly a head taller than Gandalf but Gandalf's shoulders were broader by far. A similar description was used to describe the difference between Aragorn and his tall Numenorean heritage and very human Boromir when they were attempting to cross the mountains through the snow. Boromir being broad was plowing a path through the snow while much taller Aragorn was steering him because he could see over the snow.Legoland of course was able to walk on top of the snow because elf.
>>98343018That thread devolved in to near-inchorent ramblings. A shame, really. It could've been good.
>>98347676>Clearly didn't stop GW anywayI think the fact that melniboneans and elric became the basis for a bunch of other elves really blurred the lines
>>98349175I have the book in hand, LotR Rivendell dinner scene does say Gandalf had broad shoulders but doesn't say how broad in comparison to others. Also Elrond isn't described as very thin, rather as hale as a tried warrior in the fulness of his strength and mighty among both elves and men.Boromir btw is also of Numenorean heritage as a Gondorian nobleman, probably one of the purest after Aragorn in fact, although his father and brother have the more stereotypical disposition for someone with that pedigree.
>>98347732I hate to break it to you but there is no actual definition of elf. They are a nebulous concept that is associated with a wide variety of tropes. A long lifespan is just one of many tropes and not a requirement. >>98349089>The canon lore doesn't count actuallyHoly cope. Also you didn't play the games.>>98348767What elven tropes do santa's helpers meet?
>>98349749>I hate to break it to you but there is no actual definition of elfNTA, but it's clear from the context of the thread that we are talking about fantasy elves here. High fantasy, to be more precise (and differentiate from urban fantasy elves). The elves we tend to play in our games. Nobody needs to define what an elf is in order to be able to talk about them in these threads.Nobody is playing Santa's Little Helpers.
>>98349175>>98349745Guys... I was looking for evidence that old elves folklore described elves as having long ears so they can hear messages from the gods so I could point out how that is a perfect match for Hylians and I remember reading that in a few places and... Well I found something shocking...An article claiming that elves in Tolkiens works DID NOT HAVE POINTY EARS!https://ardarediscovered.substack.com/p/did-tolkiens-elves-have-pointedpointyI read Lord of The Rings years ago but I don't specifically remember it actually mentioning the elf ears. Has society been collectively hallucinating the Tolkien elf ears this entire time? Can anyone refute the claims in this article?
>>98349787The argument is about whether Hylians are elves at all. Not whether that are the elves from some table top game setting specific fantasy work. If you weren't a tourist you would know this argument has been going on for at least a month and the discussion has included everything from old folklore elves to the house elves from Harry Potter.
>>98349793The pointed ears aren't mentioned in Silmarillion or LotR or Hobbit but it isn't a mandela effect, the source is just very obscure. In his etymology writings (that Christopher published after his death) Tolkien wrote: "the Quendian ears were more pointed and leaf-shaped than Human."
>>98349793They likely had pointy ears. Tolkien probably didn't deem it necessary for him to state that (and he was overall pretty lazy when it comes to describing people and fantasy races, except when he wanted to tell you about the hairiness of hobbit feet).Artists of the 19th century and earlier already depicted elves, fey and other magical beings such as fauns with pointy ears. Furthermore, hobbit ears were described as leaf-shaped like the ears of elves.The actual point you should make is that high fantasy elves having pointy ears doesn't mean that other types of elves before the fantasy genre not having them is some kind of argument against anything.
>>98349793>old elves folklore described elves as having long ears so they can hear messages from the gods
>>98349823>Not whether that are the elves from some table top game setting specific fantasy workI also said high fantasy. The Legend of Zelda is a high fantasy setting.Nobody here is playing Santa's Little Helpers. Nobody here is playing little fey faggots (well, you can in some systems, but usually they are different creatures and not elves).Bringing up entirely different contexts that have different, often contradicting understandings of what counts as "elf" doesn't help when the context is clear. It's high fantasy. Hylians are high fantasy elves. Nobody says they are Nisse, Ljosalfar or Hulder. You are just muddling the discussion and making it more complicated than it is. Words have meanings, and they can meanings based on context.
>>98349856Keep your kids away from elf rapists!
>>98349856I like the idea that elf ear cartilage grows throughout their lives but extremely slowly, so it's a marker like beards on Tolkien's elves and you only see Night Elf style ears on extremely old individuals.
>>98349919the scale of reactions in this always amuses me>doing elves, yuck>we didn't do it because it was easy, but because it's right crazy money>Take me! Make me, feel the Force!
>>98349858Ok then. Lets see if any of the "Hylians aren't elves" people can agree that they are a type of non high fantasy elf. If the answer is no then we are not, in fact, arguing about whether they are high fantasy elves specifically. If the answer is yes then I accept their concession. Anti-Hylian fags, what do you think?
>>98347489Appreciated
>>98345829Ningen is specifically used only in regards to "typical" humans, the Gerudo, the Sheikah, the pointy-eared Hylians, and "The Hero of Men." All other sentient peoples are referred to typically only with their tribe name (Kokiri-zoku, Zora-jin, etc).
>>98348357More like this, please
>>98350136The humans called humans aren't elves anon.It's like calling manaketes elves because you don't like that the actual FE elves look like this.
>>98350136if Hylians aren't elves even though they look like them, but don't have the extended lifespan, by that logic: the dragon age elves aren't elves either
>>98350488>The humans called humans aren't elves anonStill ignoring the "ningen" discussion, huh.
>>98350488Cute fairy elf. I don't actually call Manaketes elves. Except once in one of these threads to troll. That said they meet all of the tropes anti-hylian fags are asking for in most of the FE settings except they can also transform into dragons. ... So in those games they pretty much are elves.Also multiple souces I have looked up about the word you keep saying is "human" specifically call out how it is used in fantasy settings to refer to other fantasy races along side human. Apparently it is even used to refer to Piccolo in DBZ. That fact it is used to describe Hylians is meaningless. See >>98345829>>98350319I haven't played the game in Japanese so I have no idea how true this is. I doesn't really matter anyway. Even if they were canonically the same species as humans that would still be the same as elves in most settings. Including Lord of The Rings. Don't believe me? Look up the definition of species.>>98350496Good point. Anti-Hylian fags, your rebuttal?
>>98350136That "elf" fucks her human brother
>>98350496>the dragon age elves aren't elves eitherCorrect. They're elves in name only.The elves of Hyrule are the ancient the Sheikah of the pre-Skyward Sword.
>>98351803Dragon Age elves are cursed elves, basically. They were originally immortal and theoretically could be again.
>>98352020seriously if I was filthy rich, I would hostile-takeover the IP and fund a game where elves rise, grab back their ancestral homes and finally restore their immortality.you'll only be able to select a hot female dalish origin or hot female city elf origin s protagonist
>>98352113>hot female city elfimagine the rape
>>98352610Very brown-coded post.
>>98352113AGP-coded post.
>>98345154Damn i remember reading all of that comic ten years and periodically hacking for updates. Is it still going?
>>98352113Also have them develop extreme pronatal society so all race traitor faggot urbanite scum like Sera could be burned at the stake and/or hanged on the square and left to rot for a week to teach by example.
>>98347553>Don't remember if they're long lived thoughThey do Kida is over a century old.
How do duck/elf relationships look like in your games?
>>98352847>How do they look likeSomething like this.
>>98352857That's a human and a swan (god)
>>98351734>So in those games they pretty much are elvesNo anon, the dragons called dragons that turn into dragons aren't elves.Even if you never turn Alear into a dragon you can tell s/he is a dragons by the context clues of the other dragons existing. Hylians are never treated apart from the round-ears, some like Malon are round-eared on occasion. Would be very easy for Nintendo to say "Hylians are elves" and treat them as apart or separate.As for the DA elves, that's the point of their existence. They're there as a fantasy stand-in for an oppressed and colonized people trying their hardest to hold on to their traditions and heritage, it's why half elves are just human in those games: to show the erasure of people and culture over time.And then they ruin it by saying their history was actually fake and the world is actually very young.
>>98352984Better version.
>>98352731Yes although the pace is kind of glacial. The appendices have been updated a lot since though, we even know the sub-ethnicities of the space elves now from their appearence (the three here are in order Beleri, Barraid, probably Barraid).
>>98352860Emphasis on "Something like". Use your imagination.
>>98353261duck on elf would be much more violent rape
>>98353275Gnome leave.
>>98352689lies, I have had a PCIe graphics for 8 years
>>98349749>What elven tropes do santa's helpers meet?They're pretty typical folklore elves. You know, like the little guys who fix your shoes if you leave some food out for them, or for a more recent example, the house elves from Harry Potter. They're very much distinct entities from the Tolkinesque/DnD fantasy elves, even if in English they share the same name. That's not the case in all languages, though. Like in Finnish the term for Santa's helpers and Dobby is "tonttu" (gnome) and for Legolas and Galadriel "haltija" (elf, or originally a kind of nature spirit similar to Japanese kami).
>>98352985We should have a modern-themed elf thread at some point, I need some more modern/industrial elves
>>98354280If you want the most literal humans with pointy ears, sure.
>>98354280>tacticool slopno thanks
>>98354280Who is we?
>>98354345It's actually extremely easy to make modern elves with cultural distinctions from humans, but most artists don't bother and just put them in basic bitch human clothes and stuff. Very annoying. I wish I had the artistic skill to rectify this, but I don't.
>>98354455Yeah, I actually like the idea of "modern fantasy" in the sense that it was once a regular fantasy world, but with actual (magical and) technological progress. While the fantasy races retain their themes and aesthetics, but adjusted to their modern times.But nah, just slap some pointy ears on some anime office lady, because they add 20% more likes.There is also this shitty trend on Xitter of "landsknecht elves" where it's a regular (of course female) landsknecht but now with pointy ears. Nothing else changes. It was cute for the first three images, but now it's getting soulless.This great fantastic race, entirely reduced to a cosmetic detail.And you have the same faggots in these threads that eat that shit up.
>>98354494I also like modern fantasy of that kind but it's sadly extremely rare. Science fantasy with elves and magic is more common, and even that is relatively scarce.For some reason, most people think "modern fantasy? I have to make it like Harry Potter and have some trite, cliche 'masquerade' thing going on that is completely derivative and serves no purpose in the story." I hate that trope. It was interesting the first couple times but now it's just dry and boring. The Shadowrun route of "making Earth a fantasy world" is fine I guess, but why rely on the real world at all? Why not just have a fantasy setting that progressed magically and/or technologically?I've been trying my hand at making modern fantasy stuff but being artistically limited makes it rather difficult. I suppose some would find it hard to make fashion, culture, etc. for fantasy races, but if people do it all the time in pseudo-Renaissance fantasy settings, what makes it so difficult in modern ones?
>>98354553>but if people do it all the time in pseudo-Renaissance fantasy settings, what makes it so difficult in modern ones?Two ideas: most people's understanding of pseudo-Renaissance fashion and in general art, culture, technology, spirituality etc. is limited and superficial, so you can get by with an equally superficial treatment or taking inspirations while doing your own thing.Most people don't detect errors or inconsistencies, or don't care because they know it's not supposed to be accurate.On the other hand, we are surrounded by modernity and can compare directly.The regular 4chan-nerd is proably not very well versed in fashion either.
>>98351794Corrin isn't an elf. I just wanted to post her.>>98352916I see your autistic struggles with language include a failure to comprehend the common usage of "pretty much" to mean very similar to. >some like Malon are round-eared on occasionThe fact you think this is an argument is only further proof you know nothing about the franchise.>DA elf copeSo now elves don't need long lifespans? Aren't DA elves just humans with pointy ears at that point?
>>98353963Tolkien's Letters of Father Christmas written for his kids do have Santa elves, incidentally.IIRC he eventually started to mix more actual fantasy stuff into it later on, like goblins rebelling and Father Christmas having to fight against them. The need to put in his high quality OC content into what started as a fanfic, heh.
>>98352847>HowWHAT, ESL-kun. "What do duck/elf relationships look like in your games?"
>>98355195Because it would matter. They're not elves, as much as this upsets you.As for the DA elves, that's their narrative purpose. They were supposed to be immortal once upon a time before human oppression rendered them so weak and stunted which plays into their role of a colonized people. Same with them being erased and becoming human over time.Then it turns out this was always Fade bullshit and the history was fake so they ruined everything I hate Bethesda so much.
>>98355195DA elves have some elvish characteristics, even if they're subtle. They see better in the dark than humans do because their eyes are different, and their blood is more magical which is why they're often used for blood magic, for example. They can travel in the Crossroads easily, while humans feel slow and fatigued, and can see colors humans can't. Veilguard ignored this of course because Bioware was too cheap to make the Crossroads different based on race, but the lore is there in novels and Trespasser.
>>98355794*Bioware but you know what fuck Bethesda too.
being a tall, long-lived amazonian warrior doesn't mean you can't do your part for the economy
>>98355647No hick in rural ohio who only knows English is gonna give a shit about that
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>>98355949Precious!
>>98352847Ducks cut down trees for tools and shelter, and also attract trolls who find both them and elves delicious, so elves hate being around them just like how they hate most non elves already. No love lost because Ducks usually hate everyone else too.So literally Glorantha.
>>98355949>Not a single man offered to help her The absolute state of the elven men jn that village.
>>98355794What are you saying would matter? >as much as this upsets you.Projection. This entire debate started because someone, presumably you, feel the need to chime in saying Hylians aren't elves everytime anyone calls them one on every board. You have never been able to provide a definition of elf that excludes Hylians without also excluding many other popular types of elves.The reality that you cannot accept is that to a normal person an elf really just any fictional person that has pointy ears and no other major fictional element.Want proof? Consider the new Xenoblade elves. Everyone everywhere is already calling them elves yet literally all we know about them is that they look like humans with pointy ears. Why don't you start telling everyone everywhere about how all the other elves that don't meet you specific requirements aren't elves?
>>98342890Vulcans, duh. The OG and syill the best space elves.
>>98347608Have you gotten the recent-ish Elric BD's? They're gorgeous.
>>98343146maybe he meant the elf thread on /aco/
ancient egypt is a perfect elf civilization
>>98356129Hylians aren't elves because they're called human. It's not hard to grasp.>ningen doesn't mean thatIf it didn't there'd be something to make them elves like being called elves same way Piccolo is a Namekian.But it simply is not there.
>>98353020>the group commander with a chip on her shoulder, semi-disgraced due to connections with dissident party>the Emperor's niece who took frontline duty to dodge nepo baby accusations>the second in command of the battlegroup tired of this shit, best frenemies with aboveWish the story moved on from the bug ship so we get more space elf political drama.
>>98357637as long as they wear Akhenaton era fashion
