Cold edition>Previously, in the Mortal Realms>>98338857 >Official AoS website:https://www.ageofsigmar.com>Downloads, Rules Errata, and FAQs:https://www.warhammer-community.com/warhammer-age-of-sigmar-downloads/>Toolshttps://runebrush.pa-sy.com/warscroll/https://lordbaconbane.github.io/aoswarscrollcreator/>4e Booksgofile.io/d/JXpc9g>Anvil of Apotheosis hero creator (old):https://aosg.github.io/https://sigdex.io/>TQSo, ogors. What do we think?
>TQthey're ogres and pretty much the same as the last ones, can't say they're very exciting but i know a few people who want them.
>>98347119>TQThey're interesting. It's not that they're bad, but they're a bit different. Ironguts and Hunters are kino. Mawbeasts have grown on me. The rhippo is definitely paintjob dependent, because that mock up already makes me like it a lot more. But Morga is quite barebones for a named character variant, generic Tyrant is definitely better. Everything else is good, save certain design choices on Redd. It's not entirely for me, but I can appreciate them.
>>98347119If I was an ogre player I would be happy
>>98347119>TQMakes me glad I never bought into them when considering the faction a while back because I would have gone big into leadbelchers and... well, I wouldn't have bought any resin maneaters, but I'd have been waiting for plastic ones.
>>98347119>So, ogors. What do we think?The heads are too small to fit in with my current rather large collection of Ogres so I'm probably not going to buy them.
>TQ: Genuinely enjoy what they did with Ogors, aside from the named characters (they're bland, I don't give half a fucked rat they're women), but I already have 12 Gluttons, 8 Ironguts, a Tyrant (ugly model imo), and enough to make 2.3k points.I'm very on the fence about buying the FOMO box, as that's a lot of money to blow when the economy has been solidly fucked for some time. It's a good deal, I guess? I don't really care for the SUPER DUPER SPECIAL book that's just a fancier cover for the code.Anyway, pic unrel; just shade washed this lad and feel happy about a model I've painted since last year.
>TQThe models look good. I will enjoy slaying them.
>>98347119>TQI like em
>TQI like these models and I always like their lore. I might buy them when I'm done with what I have now, but they will have to compete with FEC and Sylv
>>98347293Mawseekers keep winning
>>98347119>tqI like the units, but aside from reddit the named characters barely look like characters, let alone named ones.Also I like the introduction of the mawseekers as a third subtheme of ogres after gutbusters and bcr
>new army set is going to be battleforce priced Lmao fuck off gw
They always are?
>>98347437Here battleforces are €200, army sets usually €180, the helsmith one was only €150.
>>98347437Looking at them all together I guess it's only the mawseeker side of the army I dislike. They look too nurgley instead of the fat but muscular, bear look I think ogors should have. Still, the rest of the new models won't fit with my old ogres at all so I don't see myself buying them. I don't like them enough to update my army.
>>98347534What'll you do for hunter proxies? Buy the sabres separately from eBay splits and do something like picrel?
>>98347556Use 3x leadbelchers and 3D print some sabretusk stand-ins.
>>98347534I don't see them as nurgly but I would say that it is only fitting that mawseekers are fatter while gutbusters are more beary
>>98347423wait for the spearhead I guess GW Jews fomo vulnerable people all the time with these
>>98347561Imagine getting snuck up on by a fucking leadbelcher
>>98347561stealthily appearing from the mists of the Everwinter in the middle of an encampment >BOOMDisappearing without being noticed "Must've been the wind"
>>98347569Ogre duck hunting with buckshot cannons, essentially."Oi! Gnob'mbubu, bring me shooty stick."
>>98347556Odd to see the new stuff entirely scrapped the mutilation armour patches ogres had
wish we got reindeers or something instead of lizard dogs
>>98347636Wrong faction
>new chatector is a womanLmao
>>98347119The basic Ogors are fantastic. The character sculpts are among the worst and lowest effort work done by GW, maybe ever. Genuinely baffling how bad the named characters are.
>>98347657>generic dudes are great>named characters look generic or bad>players are railroaded towards playing with no named characters and just make fluff for their armiesI know that there is at least one anon here that should be thriller by this
>>98347667>players are railroaded towards playing with no named characters and just make fluff for their armiesYou and I both know the named characters will be auto-includes for their respective subfactions and builds. Just look at Helsmiths, there are no armies without Urak Taar.
>>98347119>TQGutplates too big, butchers shouldn't have em. All three characters suck. Big hippocerus needed something on the back of its neck at the very least. Mostly great otherwise.
>>98347639I think reindeer are probably a bit too slender to work for ogres but what other faction would even have them?>>98347640>chatectorHow did that even happen
>>98347119You know what? Gnashtooth is very in line with the new ogor hairless mammal look. Even the mouth theamed name fita in.I wonder if Killaboss stole a cub from the fat retards
>>98347701The head is entirely different but otherwise they're both hairless tough hide dogs
>>98347700Obviously they'd be AoS reindeers, something like a moose+elk+bear
>>98347677It's not a given, they sometime swing and miss with warscroll so much that generic variant is more valuable then named, like Skumdrekk.And HoH character is a clear update in visuals over generic
>>98347708I don't mean "it's the same species as 1 of the models". Just that the creature design is similar to both deathclaw and rhino
>>98347712Bears with moose horns would be decent for ogors
>>98347700>but what other faction would even have them?elves, nurgle
A few spoilers from WD>Lord-Veritant Keiser Ven Brecht and Jorvan Kreel make their play for the liberation of Anvilgard>it goes to complete shit because oopsie-woopsie they were mistaken about Morathi-Khaine being over in Hagg Nar>Keiser dies from a bajillion stab wounds while killing High Gladiatrix Yelena (of Arena of Shades fame) in a spine-snapping bear hug>Morathi-Khaine grants clemency to Jorvan and the uprising's few survivors on the condition that they all immediately fuck off>an exodus of ten thousand people get going to Hammerhal Aqsha>per Morathi-Khaine's edict anyone who didn't leave is expected to be extra compliant with all her cult's tenets and laws>in conclusion the liberation failed catastrophically but the city's non-asshole survivors were rescued, at the cost of Morathi-Khaine tightening her hold on the cityAlso it doesn't show in the pic but Keiser's weapon does d3 damage.
>>98347119I dont hate them, in fact I might even start them depending on whether or not I like khazalid holds, but I really gotta wonder why they are shifting to middle earth designs so hard. I felt it was odd when lumineth were kinda (lore wise) leaning heavy on tolkein shit but starting with third edition they really have just been letting that influence seep in the models.
>>98347556Just proxy leadbelchers because I'm a lazy fuck.>>98347564I get that it makes sense lorewise but I just don't like the look.
>>98347777>at the cost of Morathi-Khaine tightening her hold on the cityso does this mean the pegging sessions will be more fierce?
>>98347780Maybe some guy changed design teams?
They will be easy to convert compared to the older models. Closer to proper Mongoloid Ogor hordes. Tanner skin and some prayer flapping about for gibbley bits.
>>98347221He looks nice, anon.
>>98347790That's not easy to convert at all, you rot brained slop slurper.
>>98347719>And HoH character is a clear update in visuals over genericThey just gave him a giant lightning arc (which is optional), other than that he could pretty much be any other daemonsmith and the bull is the exact same. They really could've done more with the whole turning to stone thing besides a bit of skin texture.Bigger difference than the ogor characters but still lazy.
>>98347812nta but he's bareheaded aint he?either way I think redd is fine, it's only the leadbelcher and morga here who are kind of subdued for being named characters
>>98347790As someone that has converted over 20 ogres at this point, I have to disagree. The new sculpts are going to be much harder to work on.
>>98347780I've seen this middle-earth design thing mentioned a few times now, but I don't fully understand what people mean with it?
>>98347790No way, old minis were blocky and plain but they were easy as hell to convert. Dynamic poses and more details on new ogors will make them way harder
>>98347905Nu ogors are more of a canvass thoughbeit.
>>98347790Convert with what? This is just cogfort sloppa all over again please neck yourself
>>98347744Right on
>>98347119Troops and generic heroes look really good, characters are meh, Red the Maw is kinda boring but still the least bad character somehow. I like them, but if it's true the army box is like $260 then I'm just gonna pass and wait for the spearhead because that's absurd. I already have a fully painted Ogre army anyway, so technically I don't need new models to get started.
New CoS thingy
>>98347780They probably realized their in house sigmar design style is ugly, overdesigned shit, and went looking for actually quality stuff to copy.it's a tale as old as time with GW
>>98347895Probably a poor choice of word to express the usual old gradient between "high fantasy/stylised/wow" and "low fantasy/realistic/lotr", with the pendulum apparently swinging back towards the latter
>>98347953Or Sisters of Battle
>>98347953Either a decoration on the wizard cogfort or some new random End of Edition character I'm guessing. You'd think censor means priest, but we literally just got a generic Warpriest and already have Zenestra for a named priest. Maybe a flagellant unit?
>>98347965Wasn't there some rumor about new flagellants?
>>98347953Fyreslayers
>>98348045>>98347963Fire symbol on the side
>>98348059True
>>98348045It has a random keyhole, so either them or Nighthaunt
>>98348045>>98348059>>98348064
>>98348125Interestingly the maulbeast looks a lot shaggier and beastclawy in this art
>>98347954Get the fuck back in your hole
>>98348125Don't hate the furry look for the Maulbeast.Pity we get the smooth skins.
>>98348162New look must have grown on me, since I think this are worse
>>98348125What're those little green men? Odd
>>98348162Not bad for sloppaDoes it work for the hipporhino?
>>98348154Yeah, the heck?>>98348162I gotta PROOOMPT
>>98347806>>98347836Looks ideal for press moulds
>>98348177Not as nicely, keeps generating woolly rhinos.
>>98348162>>98348171They're better, but less meme worth. Those ugly bastards are the soul of the releas and this dims their light
>>98347953>>98348059The new aqshy wizard has a very similar shaft, with what I think is the same keyhole (=aqshy) motif
>>98348209it would make sense for the whizzfort to have a whizzard
>>98348209could be
>>98348213place your bets, is it going to be a whizzfort or a niggfort
>>98348218no negromancy allowed on the bus, realms policies are clear about it
>>98347777>High Gladiatrix YelenaWho?
>>98348243
>>98348162>Pity we get the smooth skins.Just speculation from me but I'm guessing the sculptors' rationale was that the new maulbeasts & glutthorn should be hairless in order to create visual cohesion with the new ogor models, who are themselves sculpted with craggy thick hides and wearing curved horns. Basically it establishes a basic vocabulary for what the mawtribes' creatures look like, so going forward even if you have riderless beasts, you may be able to intuit which army they belong to simply from glancing at their basic morphology.Still not quite my cup of tea but it's fun trying to figure out the thought process behind the end result.
Seraphon book fucking when????!My poor dinos are tired of sucking, and they even took the ghyran Carnosaur from us.I swear after this long waiit there better be some new size creeped huge dinos coming.
>>98348245>>98348250Isn't that just the high gladiatrix model? Is this a case of a named character model becoming a generic character model, or a generic character model just having the option of being used as a named character?I was under the impression that DoK only had two or three properly named character models.
>>98348279Anon I swear to shit you are not allowed to be this slow
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/dse1gbw5/ogor-mawtribes-rules-eat-smash-and-bellow-with-the-best-of-them/
>>98348250Didn't the Gladiatrix in this story died and her soul got sent to be tortured forever by the writer ghost?
>>98348279some generic characters were introduced alongside a small narrative attached with a named example of one such characterso it's a named high gladiatrix, but not the only high gladiatrix, and not special enough to be an actual special character
>>98348284I wonder if it's easy enough to use the small maw-shapes on the banner to give her a toothed bra.
>>98348284I'm so glad we're past the "Roll a D3. On a +2..." stage of rules writing. That first year was rough.
>>98348284>come back tomorrow when we’ll be looking at Armies and Regiments of Renown.Redd is definitely getting his own AoR, but I hope there's a second one for BCR.
>>98348295I'll throw 3 people into the nearest Mawpit for that idea, anon.
>>98348271we have the name and general description of their pity hero, so they may come out sooner later than later, I say 2 months to release, less for reveal, obviously
>>98347119It's so weird for these beasts to have so little fur on them.
>>98348045It's possible.
>>98348295they look a little too big for that
>>98347953Could it be?
Between an all-troll and an ogre armies which one is funner to play?
>>98348394Ogres are a lot less one-dimensional than a troll horde, though the benefit of going Trolls is that if you get bored there's an entire huge army range you can expand into for variety.
>>98348296>>98348284Yeah, nothing looks bad
>>98348394Come on anon you know the answer to this
>>98348284Grell seems really tricky. Medium range at best, most of her abilities have even shorter range and she has no shoot in combat to let her escape
>>98348394Trolls are boring, but fun. Rockguts are durable and sometimes they deal a ton of damage. Dankhold Troggoths and bosses can also spike insane damage sometimes. I really like the trogg models, they are fun to build and easy to convert. I also had a great time painting them, so if you like the hobby aspect, I can absolutely recommend them. New ogors also look nice though, we gotta wait and see how the kits go together. Helsmiths were pretty good according to a friend, so I hope the new ogors will be nice too!
hey, /aosg/ have a good day :D
>>98348474Generally every kit since the 4th edition Skaven been pretty good from what I both seen and experienced. Was very impressed with their Rat Ogres when I bought them to build a Bloodbowl Rat Ogre.This was same experience with Cities of Sigmar, every kit felt great except the bardiche troops. The Gallant kit especially was so nice and clean.
>>98348394troll models are kino, ogres are boring.
If running a brute heavy list of IJ’s, would a big pig make sense in there? Or even a boss on maw krusha? Or should those be saved for a monster mash list with kragnos?
>>98348486You too anon :)>>98348519I feel like a little bit of speed would be nice yeah
>>98347895see >>98344676
>>98348383Makes sens
>>98348546What does that have to do with middle earth?
>>98348546your schizo delusions weren't real last thread and they still aren't in this one, shitposter-kun
>>98348486>(you) too
That poor skaven in the bottom right
>>98348125Anybody got the ep?
>>98348595I saw the guy eating the rat and thought the tail is some eldrich tentacle going OUT of the ogor's mouth rather than into it
>>98348125>>98348595where's this new art from?
>>98348635Datamined from the War-Com source code
>>98348657Kek
>>98348492
>>98348714What lazy CAD sculpting does to a model
>>98348714what am I looking at.
>>98348714Troggoths can change shape based on their surroundings, so maybe he just has death-grip induced fucked up finger morphology
>>98348781Clipping.
>>98348657a daring synthesisalso, they should have red hair and mustache
>>98348781The thumbs clip with the fingers, piercing them. >>98348741It's actually just plastic injection moulding space saving. You can't have undercuts unless you accommodate them with parts: the hands are just two pieces in all instances iirc but they should be three to accommodate the separate thumb.
>>98348714>>98348741isn't this just the result of how their moulds work>>98348829yeah exactly
>>98347119They're fatter, uglier and bastardier than beforeSo all in all, the perfect update.
>>98348714literally who cares
>>98348869STOP BULLYING THE BILLION DOLLAR COMPANY It's a flaw, compromised for cost reduction that isn't passed on to the consumer. No complaints will matter and there's hardly a plastic alternative but have some self respect man
I do not like her measly little mace. It's fine enough, but not on a cavalry model, let alone a fucking overtyrant. Sidenote, but what tyrant model did gw sell before the 2019 remake? Was it the finecast one?
>>98348987Consider the comically large spoon
>>98348987>>98348996Big trident that's actually a fork
>>98348987Wasn't it these two?
>>98348987This doesn't look practical to swing on a steed and with such a big contraption behind
>>98349014
>>98349014Yes. Before the plastic Tyrant, literally all Ogre foot characters were resin, it was the most off-putting thing about the army, since the troops were plastic and relatively inexpensive.
Anyone has today Loremasters episode on Ogors to share?
Remember...
>>98347895I see it with the character mount. It's something to do with the sculpting style but it's hard to articulate.
>>98348854>uglierI find them less grotesque now actually. Liek they moved pass the bottom on uncanny valley and started climbing up
>>98349067Seconding request. I want to see if lore is interesting enough to jump into this faction.
>>98349098I would rather this get forgotten or dismembered and then remembered differently.
>>98349104I think it's the texture of the flesh.
>>98347953People will see this and instantly say "CoS" because of the 45-degree-tilted squares, but the moment I say "CoS is littered with 45-degree-tilted-squares as a motif" I get called a schizo
>>98349098if it was hand drawn this would be considered kino on par with the various WHFB WD campaign maps
So is the fomo box no discount at all if I'm not interested in the rulebook and the cards (I download them instead)?
>>98348595Rat rat, eatin' rats
>>98349014The sculpts are kind of janky (especially the one on the right), but compared to mogra or whatever her name is they're decked out. They really should've gotten her some shit to distinguish her from a normal ass glutton, let alone from other tyrants a cool sheath like these guys, some pilfered armour, horns on her gutplate or helmet, ... ANYTHING. Right now the only thing she has going for her is her crown.>>98349031A lance of some kind would probably be a best, but it's not very ogre.
>>98349125Yeah pretty much. At best you might also get a discounted Tyrant. GW got greedy with this one. I was planning to pick up the box, but not at that price. Might as well just x2 the spearhead instead.
>>98349134Unless they plan to up the spearhead price and the individual sets prices. And the fomo box is just the taste of what's to come.
>>98349132>A lance of some kind would probably be a best, but it's not very ogre.The stonehorn rider has one just fine.
>>98349132They were massive next to Gluttons and ofc Maneaters were for sale so I often saw kitbashes and conversions for them as Tyrants Plus the whole range had bits, whereas the accessories in the new range are part of the models (sacks are attached to the legs and such) The new tyrants are regular sized alongside Morga. Only the maw heroes are bigger
>>98349125Not at all, it's fomo taxed
>>98349147GW is free to slap their new army with unsellable pricetags, like they did with Gitmob, but it'll probably go about as well for them as Gitmob did.
>>98349125If you were to buy the equivalent in ogre units today you end up with like 1 euro discount without the book lol.I suspect that new ogres are going to get a significant price increase compared to the old ones, despite the shrunken unit sizes. For example mournfang are currently €64 for 4, I wouldn't be surprised if that's the price for just 2 maulerbeasts. In fact that's exactly what the stormcast dracoths are priced at...>>98349154Always thought that was a javelin but looking at it again you have a point.
Legit question not trying to stir shit. Why are all the Ogors white? Why do they not have the same skin color diversity that humans, Duardun, Chuardin, and Aelves have in the setting? The obvious chud answer to me is that they are portrayed as brutes so it’s ok that they are all white in the DEI mind. But I am open to hearing actual lore reasoning.
>>98349226>actual lore reasoning.because they were originally mongolian themed, there is no other reason except that they didn't take the leap yet. For now it's only women.
>>98349226There's no lore reason Ogres were white because fantasy was whiteThen warhammer made ogres somwhat mongolianThen aos kept that general design direction going, even without the asian placement because there's no asiaIn a faction where bare skin makes such a large part of the model it's harder to implement variations in skintones without some issues with the color scheme or its coherency You're also right that there's stigma against painting brutes and savages as brown skinned Finally there's the fact that lighter skin is easier to paint in a convincingly natural way that also highlights the detailsFluffwise you could argue that the beastclaw riders should be predominantly light skinned because the everwinter would significantly reduce the amount of sunlight they can get, assuming they source their vitamin D the same way we do
ogres were actually grey and Id prefer it if they were depicted as such, otherwise you just end up with humans.
>>98349307They're jsut another mutation of elf/human/halfling line why the fuck wouldn' they have the same skin as them?
>>98349314Because they have thicker skinDo you think normal people's skin has pink pigments or something?
>>98349307trvth nvke
>>98349226>chuardinThere's one black chorf and he's in the warband>elvesI just checked the two last DoK and Lumineth unit releases (blood hags and ydrilian riverblades) and they're all white. I don't think I've ever seen a "coloured" idoneth or sylvaneth either (for fairly obvious reasons). CoS are multiracial because the cities and armies are mainly populated by a giant melting pot of local reclaimed and diaspora from all over the realms returning from azyr after fleeing during the age of chaos.Chaos humans are similarily descended from various tribes that fled all over after the age of chaos destroyed uncountable human civilizations, thus again creating melting pots of survivors banding together. Ogres have always been nomadic, I don't think the age of chaos affected them that much in that sense. Their armies are generally meant to represent single tribes, which would be pretty homogenous all things considered.I think in-universe most armies actually have a pretty good explanation for their diversity or lack thereof. The only exception I can think of off the top of my head is fyreslayers, I think their whole deal was shutting the gates during the age of chaos which would make them pretty insular and homogenous. But idk their lore too much.Anyway, AoS is a post-apocalyptic setting. Shit makes more sense once you remember that.
>>98349307they were white before they were grey
>>98349338Are your heels grey?
>>98349226They're Asian and white, but yeah it's because they're evil. Any nappy haired Darkoath? Nope.
>>98349373MUH ANCESTORS
They're so cool bros....
>>98349235White Scars got a black skinned member now though. That’s not a barrier anymore
>>98349307>ogres were actually greyFor 6th edition only and it was fucking stupid but I do love Underguts as a nod to it
>>98349382If they aren't greyer than the rest of your then you're just a thinskinned faggot.
luv me caves luv me cannons simple as
>>98349422>For 6th edition onlywhich also means they were like that through 7th edition as well
Now that fatfags are all revealed can we move on to the better oversized humanoids?
>>98349487Feels like they’re gonna save them and seraphon for a reveal show if only because they both are going to be big enough highlights to not just waste it on a Monday article
>>98349495Speaking of which I wonder when the next show will be, I know we had one just a few weeks ago but still
>>98349504LVO most likely.
>>98347119>So, ogors. What do we think?I think the new infantry is fantastic, the named characters all feel like they're missing just... a little bit more pizazz, like one extra detail to make them feel unique. Otherwise I'd say a very good outing though I'm a bit sad they dumped a lot of the snowy theme and "mercenary" theme to just become a more consistent overall faction.I am glad I get to keep my stonehorns and cannons. I think I should be able to get a full ass list with just my 2 vanguards, new army box, and reddit the maw. (Also got a metal recast of Greasus for 20 bucks I'm trying to figure out what to do with)
>>98349098Those maps were peak, and none of you miserable fucks will convince me otherwise
>>98349366The only black Lumineth I know of is from a book, he's a head scholar in charge of small outpost that is besieged by Nighthaunt.
>>98349661There’s one of the MC’s of Children of Teclis, and in the same book another one with olive skin and a beard. I try to paint my LRL with different skin tones, too.
>>98349633It's cool to EXPLORE, not so much to INHABIT. No sane individual would live in the Infernusia Hell Ass or by the Forgetting Waters of Dementia or the Roiling Wriggling Everchanging And Unpredictable
>>98349701>I paint medieval europeans black for free
>>98349718I mean, yeah, AoS is post apocalyptic. The whole setting is a fucking nightmare, hence the concerted effort to colonise then
>>98349226Black ogres were definitely a thing before. I remember the Destruction supplement for Soulbound stating that they could have any skin tone that humans have. And there's a black one in the Blood Bowl team.
>>98349721ntab you should probably go outside sometime if you're this obsessed about the culture war
>>98349718Thats given that there is a place to live in thats not a Hellish Prolapse of Death
>>98349721what do words even mean at this point
>>98349504Gencon? maybe
>>98349394>
>>98349721>lumineth>medieval europeanAnon please save this for CoS at the very least
Is this game worth getting into or am I just buying my childhood army’s refresh to paint and sit in a shelf?
>>98349838>to paint and sit in a shelf?painting is the most fun part of this hobby anyway
>>98349838It's good and their army rules seem to be good. But you can start with a spearhead, when it comes out
>>98349838Get the spearhead and decide for yourself
>>983498384th edition is not a good game, no. Spearhead is fun however. But you should just wait for the spearhead box a month from now and save $100
>>98349838Army rules look fun for them at least.
>$255 Ogor Army setLmaooooooo GW going full greed that’s actually wild
Speaking of Spearhead, when is it gonna release through Hachette?
>>98349846>just wait for the spearhead box a month from now and save $100Inb4 they pull a SoB and make the spearhead more expensive than the others
Of course the ogor lord is a woman lmao. No wonder they didn't reveal her on the stream
>>98349487Does snake Morathi count as a giantess? She's like 50 feet tall in some art
>>98350070>hates having a bbw broodmother in chargeWe get it, you're gay.
>>98350103Come to think of it, is she the only named character who's confirmed to fuck? I know Morathi was a huge horn dog in Fantasy but I don't remember any similar stories in AoS outside of her getting no way fag'd by Nagash that one time
>>98349794What does nappy hair mean, retard? Anyone can paint something with dark skin
>>98350165
>>98350165Pipe down retard >>98350173
Is 18" the average for long ranged shooting in AoS? I was hoping to find an army that has 24" ranged attacks and as many as possible.
>>98350270after 2nd, we will never get non-warmaschines shooting further than 18
>>98350270how strong is shooting right now?
So what's the tldr with new CoS?Are gallants and grenadiers any good? What about the cogforts and gate gargants?They seem like a much more balanced army than before, it was weird that the only melee options were cavaliers and steelhelms with nothing in-between.
>>98350270>>98350287Cities has long range with their cannon and the Fusil-Major at 24" each. You COULD extend that with a Battle Formation for 3" extra for all the shooting you had - it did make quite the difference, honestly. Kind of bummed they canned that one with the book.
>>98350287The 1st ed starter box was kino because the only shooting were thrown weapons
Anyone have thoughts on that Scathborn Coven battleforce box? I don't play DoK, but I do enjoy monster girls and the box is just about as much as Morathi by herself at my LGS.
>>98350287Honestly a blessing. >>98350300Everything is good, gallants are the only underwhelming option but still more playable compared to what most armies "worst warscroll" looks like. Grenadiers and Cogforts are easily amongst best units in the army, alongside Cavaliers.
>>98350300I don't play them myself but I've heard the internal balance is actually pretty damn good. Any unit you look is usuable and will feel like it's pulling its weight which is really nice.
>>98347293How dare you doxx me online like this. Remove my pic immediately
>>98347777Who cares the entire realms get destroyed in a year
>>98350336Oh, really? Based on my skimming I thought gallants would pull ahead and grenadiers would be limited by their 4+/4+, even if that D2 is awesomeThat's actually great to hear, I love grenadier models and as an idea. How are people making them super strong?>>98350353>I don't play them myself but I've heard the internal balance is actually pretty damn good. Any unit you look is usuable and will feel like it's pulling its weight which is really nice.That's awesome, it'd be harder to get a more glowing endorsement of a battletome than that these days.
>>98350270Kruleboyz have 18'' shooting on boltboyz and 24'' on killa-bow. You can go as far as 21'' for bb and 27'' for kb with battle formation but it is an ability and it only affects 3 units in your shooting phase
>>98350299It was nerfed this edition but some units are still good
>>98347790I mean that looks good but that is also difficult to sculpt. And no, there is not green stuff world cheat for it right now
>>98349111They are fat fucks who fight and beat everything. What else do you want.
>>98350393Gallants's whole gimmick was mostly used with transport cogfort, but that got nerfed (or fixed, as technically activating their ability off of transport was unintentional interaction) so they are currently just worse combination of cavalier and steelhelms. Grenadiers are just a good independent unit due to their D2 and not needing to interact with any other unit in the army. They just work on their own and do their job well. The units that people make super strong are just reinforced fusiliers and reinforced cavaliers, with steelhelms to protect them.
>>98349460I used this scheme for my ogres. I like it
>>98349838Yes and yes
>>98350336Would using Grenadiers as the main infatry in the army work? Or do i have to use Steelhelms and Fusiliers? Im just really not a fan of how the other two infantry options look like
>>98350438>activating their ability off of transport was unintentional interactionDidnt they explicitly pointed it out in the Warcom article? Also, how does that rule interact with the Maulbeast ability, does it actually buff them?
>>98350458They're a 4+ 1w unit that cannot be reinforced, so a perma-10 man and 50 pts more than Steelhelms and 20 more than Fusiliers.Steelhelms are valuable because they can taunt someone to keep your important shit alive. Fusiliers are too core to the army to just toss as chaff, and Steelhelms are the core chaff of your army.
>>98350471I didn't know fusiliers are back to being meta, I really liked how they made them feel way more like mini-cannons in the new book so that's sweet as hell
>smaller than the Stonehorns
>>98350550Pansy Gutbusters can only do so much
>>98350550you know what they say about small kitsthey cost more too
>>98350550Wasn't this kind of expected?
How do I get an AoS GF?
I wonder what kind of army of renown are they getting. There are few that I like more than core rules, too bad that mine is so shit
>>98350677work in healthcare, introduce spearhead to nurses, ???, she probably fucked you before she even assembled her own minis.
>>98350677That's not an AoS gf, he puts his wife on thumbnails to get gooners like you to click
>>98350705Cheeky bastard
>>98347119>TQMixed feelings about models.Rules look promising
>>98349933Fuck me. I realize it's still slightly cheaper off site but come the fuck on. I spose I'll stretch my old models and probably have a 2k list but still, yeesh.
>>98350772>>98349933Is it at least a good amount of points?The gloomspite set that was $200+ and barely more than that in points was objectively very silly
>>98350776I expect it to at least be half an army at least.
>>98350776Ogors are more elite, so if points stay about the same it'll beTyrant - 130reinfroced gluttons - 440 not mournfangs - 150 Ironguts - 210so nearly 1k in theory barring GW fucking with points.
>>98350785Crazy thing is the old spearhead was about the same. What an insane value box, though of course with the hindsight that they were refreshing 80% of it.
>>98350811Best time to stock up is always in advance. I am sad Leadbelchers are die, but we'll see if I actually need the cats for anything other than tokens.
>With the latest loremasters video, it is confirmed (twice), that with the arrival of Redd and the new religious shift in Ogor society, anyone who follows the teachings of the Gulping god (which is just about everyone), are highly urged not to wield firearms or other weapons that may "spoil the meat".>This is enforced by Morga the mighty (being backed by Redd) as the Meatfists are the most powerful tribe around. There are Ogors who dont follow this way, and it is confirmed Maneaters still exist but there are less and less of them. There are still also city Ogors but these are looked at with great disgust by other Ogors and are basically the lowest of the lowest.>Morga is the daugther of Globb Glittermaw, and she is the exact opposit of Globb. Globb introduced mercenary work, "trading" and using money to buy food and weapons. Morga believes in the old way of "take whats yours and eat the rest" and when she defeat Globb, turned the entire tribes way of thinking around.
>>98349844>>98349845>>98349846I'll probably be getting the entire range, at least. but if spearheads the only thing worth playing there's no reason to get the fucking fomo box. at least till 5th comes out and is maybe good?>>98349841i know but my therapist says i need friends
started painting !not gor rok
>>98350839Ah okay, this actually explains much more.
>>98350851shield looks really good.
>>98350839until the 2nd wave when 'OH ACTUALLY ogors have found the flavor of blackpowder blasted meat to be delicious' to explain the new leadbelchers or whatever they end up calling them.I dont know why they fucking do this.
>>98350839So the whole thing about Reddit saving ogres from boring gorkamorka worship turned out to be false then? The actual maw is not coming back as some kind of cosmic star-devouring kino deity?
>>98350867I mean it sounds (both based on rumor and lore) like gunpowder is back with maneaters, who I dont think are tied down by religion.
>>98350839>BCR and the Everwinter even more deemphasizedYou might say the Alfrostuns were left out in the cold.
>>98350851Holy fuck anon>>98350867The new maneater character (who is really just a leadbelcher) shows how they'll be handling that. Maneaters are more chill about that kind of stuff
>>98350880they did actually mention the ever winter a bit in there.
>>98350867That's already a thing in there lore. Most Ogors like meat bloody and raw, but some like it "Cooked" and "Seasoned" with blackpowder weaponry. If anything, this is just setting up the predicted merging of Leadbelchers and maneaters.
>>98350872>>98350886i will accept this argument when i get a new full unit of cannon shooting ogres, and not a moment before.
AoS is legitimately going to die if they don't change up the format and rules. Cities 2nd wave didn't even sell that well.Hyper autistic designed-for-comp rules + the rules actually just sucking ass 80% of the time + yearly "season passes" with a whole bunch of extra rules stapled on is a fucking disaster. Nobody is playing this shit outside of tourneyfags and Spearhead.
So how do the Underguts get around when they're no longer allowed to use demolition charges for tunneling?
>>98350899There's a nonzero possibility that cannons might be a 1/X (Probably 3) unit for maneaters, but I'm personally hoping that maneaters have two build options, with one being hybrid infantry that focuses more on melee with auxilliary shooting (Maneaters) and one that's more shooty with the ability to hold their own in melee (Leadbelchers)
>>98350903>Hyper autistic designed-for-comp rulesThe cities rules are fantastic what the fuck are you smoking. Everything else up until then has been fucking awful but still.
>>98350899I mean the character is right there, welding a big cannon. Clearly maneaters don't give as much of a fuck about the gunpowder taboo. You don't need a full unit to confirm that.(Unless you're talking about the speculated merging of leadbelchers and maneaters)
>>98350957>speculated merging of leadbelchers and maneatersI'll be happy if we get it at all, I do really like the concept of ogre's just using a massive fuckoff cannon loaded with random bullshit like a blunderbuss.
>>98350966I mean the "Special character" is doing literally that
>>98350907I mean presumably some tribes just tell reddit and morga to stuff it. Underguts are all the way over in ulgu aren't they?Neat justification for your ogre mirror matchups if nothing else
>>98350972I just wish they also didnt look bland as shit
>WHFB ogres are basically all 1 big faction>when you incarnate them in AoS split them up into three factions>sustain the three factions through three editions of your game>finally refresh the models>cut the three factions to 1I was expecting this with the limited size of releases these days and GW preferring to dripfeed and double down on what's successful rather than commit to full ranges in one go. But still. This is definitely shooting yourself in the foot to some extent.
>>983509954 factions.Remember the firebelly?
>>98351005No. Not even WHFB pretended that was actually going to happen.
>>98350995>cut the three factions to 1maw seekers, gut busters, you can argue bcr got more recognition aside from the 1e dedicated book,
Honestly apart from the big pug dog monster riders and the big pot guy I do think the entire new range looks great. Favorite are probably the maneaters and the hunter guys. But the gluttons, the actual fat bastard cooks and the new monster hero are all really good as well. I really like that the neither the rhino nor morga are overdetailed.
>>98350972ya but I play army games to look at units of dudes. I want a new version of the minis that got me into this hobby. does the hero placate me? yes. but i want a unit so i can line them up on my desk.
>>98350995?We went from gutbusters/beastclaw(/firebellies kind of but come on)Togutbusters/beastclaw/mawseekers/(maneaters kind of)
>>98350867>I dont know why they fucking do this.Because the average customer is so dumb and mindless that not only feeding them an excuse for why a new product doesn't match expectations actually works on them, but they'll also actively go silence anyone having any disappointment by drowning them with "ahktchually lorewishe its becoz..."
>>98351088>somehow, the beasts of chaos disappeared...
>>98350886you like the lizard ?>>98350856gold is kind of a pain in the ass since it's all very flat surfaces,
>>98350839So Underguts are counter culture now
>>98351104>they start speaking in rhyme and wear their trousers low
>>98351103Yes anon, I like it very much.How'd you do the green?
>>98349059
>>98351120>Ogre parents looking on in disappointment as their kid blows a man clean in half while yelling that it's not a phase
>>98351122prince august emerald, bit of white, bit of black and bit of some vallejo green, small glazes over a black primer, lining everywhere and small spots of pure white and voilà ! pristine malachite
>>98351165how do you wield a cannon sideways
>>98351176Thanks anon. Again, beautiful work on the lizard
>>98351104>You are hiding gunpowder under the floorboards, are you not?>Your gnoblar... those stains on his hands, what are they?>II will be informing the butchers about this, you realise?
Why does tzeentch have so much moon symbology, does it conflict with gloomspite gits?
>>98351165
>>98348125So are goblars still in or is that old art up top? I hope so, I love those lil niggas like you wouldn't believe.
>>98351233>gnoblarsPerils of phoneposting.
>>98351229Kek
>>98351072If they, for some reason, wanted to keep the firebelly around, they'd fit rather well in the new maneaters subfaction that'll be coming eventually.I mean, it's not hard to see why a fire wizard would fit in well with a bunch of blackpowder enthusiasts with little regard for personal safety
>>98347119anyone got the Hedonites book pdf please?
>>98351380>patreon>grokamazing
>>98349838>game
>>98351384His vote is equal to yours.
>>98351393He's smart, it's any shmuck willingly burning money that deserves to be mulched.
>>98350173>neat rows>no strands>tied back>shaped up hairlineNTA That’s not nappy jackass lmaooo
>>98351423(nappy means black people)
>>98351423Curly hair is oval shaped in cross section, whereas straight hair is round.Afro hair in particular has an even flatter cross-section, which is what causes afro hair to behave differently.So when people are referring to "Nappy hair" they are referring to afro hair, irrespective of how it's been treated or styled.- t. Mother is a hairdresser.
>>98351399>>98351384It was originally a drawn image converted into a "realistic image" forgot to ask it to remove the Patreon mark
>>98350839So glad that ogres are basically just fat ironjawz now very epic>>98350867They'll steal some warpfire throwers and flamehurlers and become pyromaniacs
>>98351549nah iron jawz dont have as much momentum as ogors do, I dont think jawz can have castle builds either.
>>98350925nta but it's going to take another index edition to get the level of changes I'd like to see.the biggest issue is everyone does everything. Nothing feels unique when army specific command abilities are so reigned in and the few that are available eat up the design space that use to be restricted. Ontop of that, every unit can do everything. Why can a 3+/5++ monster hero rally the same as a - save zombie? One obviously gets more returns through rally/all out defense/all out attack, same deal with reinforced units.Unit roles are nonexistent. With the game being so lethal as it is, body count/OC is way overvalued, cheap infantry used to have wound efficiency on its side but they completely fucked that. Same with basically every support hero having some forced synergy for a piddly buff that never pays off for their price tag. Synergy is dead for the most part.Battle formations & army of reknown suck compared to build options in the past. Morale being unrepresented in the game feels weird as fuck and makes the game closer to a board game than a war game.
>>98349132Personally I kinda like the thing with the new characters leaning towards decorations on back/saddle mounted poles rather than fancy helmets and armour. I think it can work as a sort of cultural difference for Ogors, their armour and weapons are focused on practical use. Fancy is displayed elsewhere so it can be even bigger (the banner pole structures) without getting in the way of fighting.
When will Darkling Covens get rolled into DoK?
Is there a chance one of the death factions get featured in the EOE campaign? with the current rumors and battletomes it seems like nagash and his followers are being left in the cuck corner to deal with the skaventide issue alone.
>>98349121...but it wasn't, so in the bin it goes.
>>98350677this guy whores out his wife for thumbnail clicks, she doesn't know shit about the hobby. his channel sucks.
>>98350705>>98352343holy fuck this is beyond pathetic, what a faggot lmao
>>98352343I just watched the vid and she paints a couple of the models. I dont think they really know much about aos though, or at least stormcast.
>>98351423Nappy hair refers to the texture, not to any particular hairstyle. Not like it matters in the context.>>98351762>darkling covensAnon...
>>98351072The lore is setting things up for the ogors to all unite behind Reddit and the foidogor. Beastclaw are still hanging out on their own but that's because they're getting squatted next edition.>>98351233Just watched the loremasters and gnoblars aren't mentioned once, it's over bros :(
>>98352773>getting squatted next edition
Rather than fur, I think some stone flesh might make the new rhino look more appropriate, maybe even for the maul beast? Obviously the rocks too look snowy would be the end goal to make them fit with bcr.
>>98352773? They went out of their way to give the tyrant a beastclaw-coded alt build, the new hunters are beastclaw and by extension the ranged cavalry is too.
>>98352433You're just mad he got your ass good.
>>98352819bloodpelt looks like an exhibitionist now
I genuinely forgot the blood belt was a model.
>>98352825The loremasters episode also apparently hints at some expanded Beastclaw lore coming, included references to a "Yeti King"
>>98352861Dankhold sized yhetee incoming
>>98352773I don't buy that unification theory. Not only are we getting new bcr themed units (which might be rolled into the gutbusters, clashing themes be damned) but in this very wave we have named heroes for 2 antagonistic Ogor factions. Morga is probably a leader of the greatest ogor force but it seems that she is not supportive of Maneaters (as she hates their mercantile ways) or BCR (as meatfist greatest rivals were Boulderheads).
>>98352852Yeah, he was hated on release too, lore and model. I kinda like him, this smug cunt that stills your kill from a distance just to claim the best bits for himself
>>98352940I like this version, looks like it has some natural armour. Very rhino like.Also somehow not the only glutthorn fanart I've seen yet. See picrel
>>98352872really big hopes for these niggas
>>98352861Still no rip?
>>98353210They'll be hairless, basically Gargants with tusks We can't have overlap with TOW
>>98353333doubt it, but we'll see
>>98353333so we have overlap with wow instead?
>>98353377What the fuck is that thing
>>98353384https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kqhi-YIre8
>>98353384somehow, a troll
>>98353333The basic gluttons are barely different from the old ones but yhetees of all things is where they feel they need to diverge?
Snow ninjas are back.https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/4d4hweha/your-ogors-your-way-with-new-armies-of-renown/
>>98353472The proportions are different, the gutplate design is different, etc. You can't use them alongside old ogres without it looking off.
>>98353472Anon's parents are cousins, what did you expect?
>>98353489>royal bastard gnoblar is an artefactFun, I think.
>>98353489Those armor guys are the coolest kit in the releas
>>98353507Wait so it's Skragrott's kid?
>Urrgar’s Maulerguts, on the other hand, can be fielded by no fewer than 13 other factions.** Two Maulbeast Cavalry follow a Tyrant on Glutthorn, and these mercenaries are a great way to add fast, hard-hitting units to your army. They’re especially good at outflanking your foe.
>>98353516Agreed. I really really hope they have some extra options though because so far they've only shown off these. I'd be really lame if that was all they had
>>98353516That lil cow being cooked is a cool backdrop,
>>98353489>make a special character maneater>don't make it a regiment of renown>the mercenary regiment instead is dogs and rhino
>>98353521>don't ask...you had one job
>>98353551I think that's a dog.
>>98353551>>98353562I thought giant rat
>>98353562it's a cow from the giant kit
page 8>>98353569>>98353569>>98353569
>>98353552Shouldn't be difficult to make that RoR and add it online but yeah it should've been in the book.One thing I appreciated about the 40k team's routine balance updates in 10e was that they added a few new detachments as free downloads. The AoS team could easily follow suit by adding a few AoR and/or RoR writeups for free with each new battlescroll, but they don't.
>>98347119okay i cant prove it, but i really feel like the new ogres designer had recently watched star wars
