Guess The Splat Edition>Previous>>98338580>Pastebinhttps://pastebin.com/WiCHizn0>Mediafirehttps://mediafire.com/folder/s9esc6u7ke8k5/CofD>Mega Ihttps://mega.nz/folder/ePQ1BKhJ#RCosRCh59Ki2Mpb1M9H3Uw>Mega II (also containing fanmade games)https://mega.nz/folder/ZbQ2zLJA#DOT-3df6rS2lLet4_RmqJQ>5e Megahttps://mega.nz/folder/7rQQ1LbQ#16_AiXVGo0P3_rVOJuoZyA>VtM to VtR fan translation guidehttps://mega.nz/folder/LhYTUD7b#cRDFTcMXSB_2TjD7eJoE5Q>STV content foldershttps://pastebin.com/9i9zhydQ>General Creation Kithttps://mega.nz/#F!FWJgBTbb!f7d5rARWHYzuI8-8aI-Bxw>Ideas: BJ Zanzibar's WoDhttp://167.99.155.149/>Anders Mage Pagehttp://mage.gearsonline.net/anders/>White Wolf Wiki:https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Main_Page>Thread QuestionCan you guess the splat? Can others guess your splat? all definitions apply
>>98349651>Can you guess the splat? Can others guess your splat?Infernalists, specifically eastern Akuma
First for Caine
>>98349651Syndicate, duh.
>>98349651is that supposed to be an Akashic or a Euthanatos meme?
>>98340835Sorry for the delay,I was Crimson Pinstripe Suit
After many moons I have returned from an honorable hunt.Grar? ... Where the sept go?
>>98349780It is gone, reduced to atoms.
>>98349780They moved it down into that cozy little hole in the ground. Just go in there & keep walking to the left. You'll feel like youre going in circles but it just loops a lot to get to the center
>>98349780>Honorable>Returns with a half eaten watermelonThis is why my sept has a strict no Lupus policy.
>>98349651I want to play whatever this is. Narrow it down as exactly as you can please. P.S. We escaping samsara with this one aristocrats of the soul.
>>98349662>InfernalistsSeriously though, why is there and endless supply of these idiots? How the fuck do they see "sell your soul for temporary power" and think that's a good fucking deal???
>>98349651>picthe rich guy should have a much longer leash and less chains than the poor guy
>>98349926''I'll see you in hell Arthas''''Pity. Because I intend to live forever''Temporary power is actually eternal if you just never die.
>>98349752Ah, cool. I was LadyBlueBlood.
>>98349926>why is there and endless supply of these idiots?Same reason thousands of people sell their souls to hollywood despite the vast majority of them only ever ending up on the casting couch with Fat Mike and peaking as a back-up dancer in a rap artist's music video that no one watched.
>>98349952It's completely off-topic but man, WC3 was kino. Was it an accident or something? Sometimes I wonder if Arthas's downfall was so excellent by mistake, given how things would go later.
Reposting from last thread as a stand-alone question. How blasphemous are you willing to go at your table? Are you willing to imply or even outright state mainstream religions are wrong, not only in the details but in their core foundations?
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>>98349926>How the fuck do they see "sell your soul for temporary power" and think that's a good fucking deal?The smart ones never actually sell their soul. The open secret with infernalism is that it's technically possible to Win, screw over the demon, and get everything you ever wanted and more with a fraction of the effort every non-infernalist spends. It's not just some game exploit either, there's precedent for it both in-universe and in IRL mythology and folktales.The thing is, that's actually on purpose. Sure, one in a billion mortals will be a King Solomon that BTFO of demons, gets forbidden infernal magic, and goes to heaven anyway, but the 99.99999% won't be that guy. Millions will end up as a demons prison bitch for every one mortal that clowns on satan's posse.
>>98349986Wraith = religions are wrong about what happens after death
>>98349986I explicitly state that Jehovah is the god of evil and that Jesus Christ was a mage that died dueling Set. I think the setting implies both of these to begin with, and it also has Lucifer outright claim he invented Christianity as a lie, so I don't know if that's really "going" blasphemous.
>>98349926Because if there weren't the game wouldn't be a thing.
>>98349995>Sure, one in a billion mortals will be a King Solomon that BTFO of demons, gets forbidden infernal magic, and goes to heaven anyway, but the 99.99999% won't be that guy.Yeah, but that guy is definitely going to be me. There's no way I'm ending up like those other losers.
I like CTL because it simulates the feeling of being wanted. The idea that the Courts could want me, that I could find a community, that I could find commonality with someone.
>>98349995Sorta like how casinos rig the slot machines near the entrance to win more frequently so they can prime people into thinking they got a good chance of winning?>>98350000Nice quads
>>98350019I hope you can do it, Anon. The casino needs to be seen paying out a big winner soon or people might think the game is rigged against them or something!
>>98350000Technically the Shadowlands are kinda like Limbo and it's only for the really fucked up guys full of regret so it's not 100% contrary to religion.
>>98350033The Catholic Church doesn't believe in Limbo.
>>98349920Is this Kill Six Billion Demons posting? It sounds like Mage but with more martial arts.>>98349971WoW was written by entirely different people and suffers from the MMO flaw of needing to endlessly stretch content seasonally so as to maximally milk players. I don't think WC3 was that much of a fluke, it's just that the conditions that enabled it to tell such a conclusive and quality story were not present for the rest of Blizzard's games.
>>98350007I don't know why but the Christian side of WoD always felt weirdly boring. Maybe it's just my disconnect from the Faith irl screwing with it but at some point I don't even see what's the point of having a game when those pieces are on the board half the time.
>>98350019>>98350026>He posted the jobber imageHe knows reality is against him yet challenges it anyway, truly GOAT. this guy's soul is going to be ground beef by the time they're done with him
>>98350023>Sorta like how casinos rig the slot machines near the entrance to win more frequently so they can prime people into thinking they got a good chance of winning?Worse, demons don't even have to rig anything themselves. The "Winning" infernalists always make a massive mark in history using the wealth, fame, and mystical power they acquire. It's free advertising that attracts thousand of retards think their 80 IQ ass is somehow gonna outwit a millenias-older contract lawyer.
>>98350038It did at some point and even if it didn't official adopt the doctrine enough grannies believe it to be an influential story.
>>98350007Oh, and more generally, with concerns to other religions, the World of Darkness invents its own mythology. That's necessarily the correct religion. The Werewolf one about Gaia and the Triad. If you believe anything else, you are fundamentally wrong. A lot of other religions have aspects that are true, but they're often edited or rewritten. Many gods are actually vampires, for instance, although a few were werewolves. I think Cuchulainn was a Fianna.
>>98350021Hey now Anon, we appreciate you. You have some things in common with others. I like CtL too. I do find it interesting though, that by virtue of the PCs obviously being the ones to resolve the plot, and also usually being relatively new kids on the block, it can lead to the various organizations people like to talk about (including courts/freeholds) feeling like frauds and useless.
>>98350052That is high praise.
>>98350046I have no clue what KSBDs is. I just want to play a jacked Schizo nazi-buddhist who has internalised the philosophy of Julius Evola so hard that he can manipulate the world with it.
>>98350051We already had this bait last thread anon. You'll need something fresher.
>>98349986i am myself not religious and white wolf themselves been willing to publish books that say that every.single.religion is wrong with nwod's book of spirits which stated that people who practice religion are at best just being fooled by opportunistic spirits who are explicitly not the gods or angels they appear as and at worst just screaming into a empty uncaring voidso if white wolf itself was willing to go this hard (and while book of spirits is the most extreme example it's not like owod was particularly respectful to most religions) themselves i don't see why any form of blasphemy should be a problem. that being said i usually prefer the way owod did it where the spirits could at least be odin, helios, gabriel etc instead of nwod's opportunistic pretenders playing you for fools because mythological characters are a rich source to draw from and give most people a quick framework to understand what is in front of them and it's just nicer to religious players and characters
>>98350051I always hated the handling of the none Abrahamic religions in WoD. All the cool gods of the greeks, norse, egyptians etc are all just loser vampires or the occasional mage. It just saps the mystique and aura out of these ancient folk religions rather then exploring the more interest takes on them.
>>98350062>The Werewolf one about Gaia and the Triad.Anon, their own books outright state the werewolves are wrong about their own religion.Just like the deep lore in mage books outright show you concensual reality theory is objectively wrong.
>>98350038>>98350060It's not like Limbo or no Limbo is necessarily a core part of the religion, and there's a very large variety in Christian belief that it could be thought of as reasonable, official Catholic church stance or otherwise. Either way religion usually doesn't do a specific timeline of what happens to your soul at the moment of death so waiting a while in some spook town might be feasible.
>>98350073The joke is that in the webcomic there's a black guy supreme martial artist god-king obsessed with the concept of royalty as in doing things through his own power towards his own wishes. Reminded me a bit of that
>>98349986For me, my own personal idea of Christianity is Truth & anything else is just lies or misinterpretation.Like Cain(e) & Abel are Truth. Stuff like Gilgamesh & Enkidu & several other myths are an aberration/derivitive of them. I also play up Serpents & Infernalism connections. If it slithers, its somehow tied back to Lucifer &/or Lillith, who are the World of Darkness' worst power couple, because I love Chaoskampf themes. Every religion except my own personal interpretation of Christianity is flat out fake.
>>98350079Nooo! You will take the BIG!
>>98349709>>98349885>>98350125>posted on the wrong thread for an hour so I won't collect my (You)sTh-thanks....
>>98349995We have a simple how-to guide on safe infernalism practices in the archive somewhere. The funny thing about infernalism is that it's actually easy to game the system if you know how. The only reason it's even dangerous is because studying the infernal is banned everywhere and most infernalists themselves are greedy assholes that would rather destroy knowledge than share it.If everyone stopped being so retarded for 5 minutes and actually treated the infernal as another dangerous field of study(like virology or explosive engineering), then most demons would become complete jokes within a century. The only thing keeping hell dangerous is thr fear and superstition that lets demons pretend to be more than they are, divine Rejects.
>>98350150Remember that the Baali have a discipline to make all demons everywhere into your bitch but keep fucking it up because they always chase after the shiny nine-dot power to destroy the fucking world and summon the Great Old Ones.
>>98350168Theur 6th dot power is the most broken thing I've ever seen.It gives you 10 infernal investment points to spend on any pact powers you want, you're explicitly allowed to save them for later is you want, and it's an elder power, meaning you can buy it as many times as you want. BTW, buying a discipline power of any dot level costs 6 investment points.Do the math.
>>98350168having the power to mess with demons is far from a guarantee that you have the int state not fuck up being a infernalist in wodthe circle of red might be the single faction in wod who are the most custom made to fuck with demons as they have stuff like the passive ability to hear demonic true names just by being near them, summon and banish demons who's name you know, spells that can bind demons even if you don't know their name yet. immunity to sanity damage etc and they ended up nearly killed to a man with the few survivors being enslaved liches because they pissed off every infernal force under the sun (and the garou)
>>98350188That's obscene, but not as funny as the 9-dot power, which in the original printing sacrificed the caster's life to release his demonic master from the underworld, and in Devil's Due was re-written to summon Lovecraft's Outer Gods from beyond the edges of reality to end the entire universe. That book really took these throw-away losers and make them the most overpowered fucks possible.
>>98350188>The only reason every baali elder isn't a demon gods that eat antedeluvians for breakfast is the fact they're all retarded.Wow... I have no words
>>98349926https://youtu.be/EEKVHXRXRiwBecause that's how the story goes. Because you are evil, stupid, or both.
>>98350208the 9th dot power was originally world ending. in 1e it basically causes earth to become hell so a single 4th gen baali killing themselves could cause the nephanti win condition from TOJ they later toned it down a bit and then as you said toned it up again in devil's due, but it was always meant to be a campaign ender that you are meant to stop from even being casted
>>98350253Oh, that makes way more sense. Alright, the one-step infinite power loop is the better upscale then.
>>98350215Even better. A year ago an anon posted the stat block for demons you can summon with Daimonion and not only can they survive a nuclear blast point blank (stated in Mage), but also they can solo Void Engie voidships. No wonder a few dozen Bali in the Modern Nights can keep up somehow with all the kindred sects that want them dead.
>>98349995fuck man the demons probably let that guy win on purpose just to lure in more morons
>>98349651Time for your nightly Kindred bj, /tg/! Who are you picking?
>>98350283Nightly Kindred blow job?! Just put a TNT stick in each greedy mouth, ignite and run - and do it during the daylight, idiots!
>>98350145>He thinks he collects (You)s by contributing to the thread discussion.Clearly if you want (You)s you must post a lust-provoking image with a pointless timewasting question. Or shitpost politics and pretend to be a Brujah.Anyway, to actually discuss something and not shitpost, I don't think Malkavian when played the same as any other clan but slightly schizo is difficult, bad, or unfun, though arguably dialing up the insanity and making your malk a borderline prophet is probably the best enjoyment you'd get out of the clan. The problem more so is that these characters are better as DMPCs with the amount of collusion you need between the Malk's player and the ST to get hints the Malk can spin into funny often nonsensical dialogue. It's rather high difficulty but more so bordering on impossible to do without someone not having any fun. Either the ST loses out on his fun by spoiling shit or the Malk doesn't get to actually be a funny schizo.
>>98350246Arguably anyone doing a Faustian bargain in media is more straight up evil than just stupid, unless they're the repentant type (in which case, they were evil.) Stupid people doing deals with the devil or demons like that don't often make for compelling stories.
>>98350283More than two of these are men, anon. Bottom right or middle bottom right have the best teeth or fang spacing though.
>on break at work>looking at pictures of femboys to use as a reference pic for Bakeslave>coworker glances at my phone>anon, is this why I never hear you talk about a girlfriend? >mfw Im caught between revealing my powerlevel or being percieved as a closeted homosexual
>>98350283https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdB8f_D3LqY
>>98350380Just tell them that you can't afford actual woman anymorem
>>98350380Will Bakeslave be a well endowed femboy who domms women? (AKA the most based kind of femboy fetishism)
>>98349780Moon Chaser, we told you that the sept would leave the area because of the verbena witches snooping around>>98349855>no lupusPlease don’t tell me you let the metis handle spiritual matters for you
>>98350402I don't think bakeslave has a choice seeing that he works for Pentex and Tzimisce
>>98350215This is true of ALL the evil factions anon.The wyrm has a cub to Rank 9 training course and unlimited fomori powers, but it's minions are too busy killing themselves to use them.Oblivion gives every spectre the ability to become an Undead Demigod, but it's minions are too busy killing themselves to use it.The Yama Kings let their Akuma trade souls for unlimited demonic investments, but their minions are too busy killing themselves to use it.The Nephandi are just retarded.
>>98349995What are the easiest ways to get power without getting fucked? Which demons are the best to con?
>>98350380What is stopping you from claiming that femboys are straight like so many do? Besides being delusional
It do be like that.
>>98350408We just let the Glass Walkers handle all the spiritual nonsense, the computers make it easy.
>>98350414Offer your meat rod to your female overseers and then pleasure them enough that they give you promotions. Alternately do the same to the prisoners till they haemorrhage information after becoming your cumsluts.
>>98350461>theurges are all glass walkers>using weaver devices for such a purpose Brother, you and your entire sept need to go in the woods and spend at least a year there if you don’t want to turn into drones
>>98350000Wraith is very close to the Christian void of Hell.
How the fuck does Pentex not have a cereal subsidiary when Nestle and Kellogs are a thing?What do you think their mascot would be?I'm leaning towards a rhino both as a reference to the mockery breed and of African exploitation.
>>98350485The Shadowlands aren't so much a pit of infinite suffering in so far as a self-torture pit of humanity 2.0
>>98350414Youre half right. The Tzimisce are the ones who get to make that decision but I dont work for the Tzimisce as they forfeited their rights when they sold me to Pentex. I do have the clan symbol branded on my inner thigh though
>>98350482See, that's what one of our older Theurges had to say before he was kicked out for being a Lupus. Kind of a shame if you ask me but I don't make the rules.
>>98349989https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUih7uSQ9M4
>>98350283Salubri succ your soul
>>98350522>they actively kicked out those who protestedGaia have mercy on us all, it's worse than I thought
>>98350354They're not the ones you're thinking, btw.
>>98350577I'm not gonna go out of my way to challenge the leader, don't blame me. These Glass guys seem alright for the most part. There's only a bit of worrying behavior when one was speaking in some weird beep language to another but I assume that was just part of their quirkiness. They're at least nicer than the RTs, if only marginally. I'm not really paid to think, for the most part.
>>98350597>one has a mustache (number 4) and one has a beard (7, bottom left)I assume the joke is actually on me and they're all men.
>>98350490Well I think they might do the monster cereal line up. Frankenberry & Boo Berry etc. Full of sugar & part of a balanced bane breakfast
>>98350283T-Tremerebros, why are our fangs so small?Should we use a ritual to fix that?
>>98350283Post Changeling ears.
>>98350658There's no such thing as fairies anon.
Ok so let me see if I got my stack right for peak WoD:DAV20 in modern nightsW20Revised Mage and SorcererWraith 2eHtV2e with homebrew imbuedCtL2e with alternative 1e for more flavor and no conditionsMummy the CurseDtF for Hell demon vibes but DtD for Machine elf from the matrix demon vibesInclude Promethean, Deviant, and Orpheus Ignore Beast, KotE, and Eye up Gypsies and Mafia for the meme
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>>98350639>why are our fangs so small?What do you mean anon? Tremere fangs are cainite standard. They're almost so generic that it looks artificial.Short fangs is a Giovanni thing, it's part of what maximizes the pain of their bite.
>>98350702>>98350639Keep coping Tremere-anons
>>98350485And the Christians gave me comic books, as if I would be scaredOf burning in Hell while I was already there
>>98350702>Short fangs is a Giovanni thing, it's part of what maximizes the pain of their bite.And it didn't cross your mind to check that anon as a Giovanni Spy instead of just fang-flexing like a neonate?This is the Fifth security breach in the chantry This Week! One more and You'll be the next test subject Apprentice!
>>98350504And I guess by now you all know my friend Danny broke his neckHe was driving home from Sirens and he got into a wreckFirst I cried for him and then I cried for meHaunted by the ghost of the girl I used to be
>>98350485>Wraith is very close to the Christian void of Hell.*SheolLittle known fact. "Pergatory" is actually a nickname for an actual place in the bible. Before Jesus, Everyone went to the same cosmic waiting room innstead of heaven or hell, because those don't actually exist yet. The "Abyss" that samael oversees is for bad Angels only not humans(DTF is actually biblically accurate in this way).Normally, souls would have waited in sheol until judgement day, when god would make heaven and hell, sorting through all the souls to pick who goes where.Jesus changed this by allowing the souls of the faithful to enter Paradise(the spiritual pre-heaven that will be fused with material reality to make actual heaven on judgement day). The non-faithful aren't barred from heaven, they just have to be good people, but they do have to wait in sheol since they don't have the jesus fast-pass.
>>98350726How can I be a Gio when my Kiss feels so good?Mom asks for it every day...
>>98350838Why is it that every piece of art for Sidhe is a guy trying to hide his retreating hairline?
>>98350849Norwood is the #1 agent of Banality.
I want my players to be able to spot that a decadent party is a vampire, but i want to do that without just saying "blood".Blood dolls all around obviously, but they can pass for party goers looking to get high, (and maybe one or two has a bite mark but that doesn't feel any subtle than saying "blood").Any ideas?
>>98350868Vampire party, not that the party itself is a vampire.
>>98350111>outright show you concensual reality theory is objectively wrong.Qrd?
>>98350689You may as well run Orpheus concurrently with Wraith though
Why does paradox only effect mages?
>>98350990Because they deserve it.
>>98350990>in-game answerAll of the playable creatures that aren't impacted by Paradox are woven into the fabric of the World of Darkness on an intrinsic level. Alternatively, they have made such an impact on humanity that mankind subconsciously believes in them, to the point where everything they do is accepted by consensus.>meta answerAll of the other playable creatures belong to other games, which focus on their own versions of the World of Darkness and don't care about pandering to the cosmology of Mage.
>>98350990Because god thinks its funny.
>>98351054mage panders bigly to the cosmology of werewolf and vampire althougheverbeit
>>98351124Mage is the nerd that says "uhm actually" and honestly, it's very fitting
>>98351124Mage's World of Darkness is the most big tent version of the World of Darkness, that cares way more about other games than other games care about it.
>>98351124how does it pander to vamp? I guess the christian mages? I do agree that umbrood are essentially the same as garou conceive them and the triat also seems to exist so mages are actually kind of woof compatible. I like to imagine mages perfectly understand what werewolves do but choose to turn their caerns into enchanted vibrating buttplugs anyways because they view that as more important.
>>98350053Note to self: Use Infernal powers to completely fall off the radar once I've won.
>>98351055This is practically the cause of 2/3 of ALL problems of the setting.
>>98351207Tzimisce in space?
>>98351146Think of it this way, you know the stinky mutts have a point buuuuut, if you just suck their Caern dry and ascend you get to fix both your problems and their problems and everyone's problems under your divine vision of what reality should be. If you were a slightly insane egomaniac, why wouldn't this be an attractive choice? Mage is in some ways Great Man Theory on steroids, both in denial and support of it.
>>98350726>This is the Fifth security breach in the chantry This Week!The Fifth that you know of. #6 LETS FUCKING GOOOO!
>>98351241Why would I fix woof problems, in my perfect world they are replaced with less problematic reasons. Plus they kind of believe themselves to be better than humans, which no MUH DIVINE SPARK RIGHT TO ALL CREATION hermetic would ever accept. Dogs not wolves ok?? Cats are fine because being assholes is what makes them endearing.
>>98350868A subtle but notable lack of windows.
>>98349605I mean, even if you have the discipline unlocked, doesn't it take decades per elder power you unlock if you're doing it completely blind?
>>98351238Power Rangers meets ReBoot cartoon featuring humans who can somehow turn into Carbots vs Gas Guzzling Draculamobilebots called Vanpires. One of the Vanpires is a clown.
>>98350000>>98350007>>98350082>>98350128Thanks for the input. I ask because it's something I've never really delved into terribly deeply. I'll just put things out there and leave it to characters within the setting if they can reconcile it with their religious beliefs or not. Otherwise it's not really the topic of my games and I do like keeping things mysterious, so I'd never spell it out 100% but it's worth alluding to. That and while researching the origins of Islam I'm somewhat persuaded by the reading that the "Gabriel" Mohammed encountered and received information from was actually a demon. Not necessarily IRL, but for an urban fantasy setting definitely.
>>98349949nah, that's entirely accounted for with the gold versus steel
Bakeslave here for another storytime! 1/3The first couple of days with the tentacles was obnoxious. The lower two have a habit of rubbing up and down my skin sensually while the top two like to poke and prod everything around me like toddlers. On the third day I learned they can retract back into my body which means I wont need to quit my day job. They seem to really enjoy O'Tolley's Carrot and Lime soda so I've gotten into the habit of buying them each a soda of their choice from the vending machine every day. They like to slither down my sleeve, wrap around my wrist, and pull my hand to the button they want. It's so adorable! Anyway, my supply of Cosmetics was running low so I had to reach out to my handlers for another assignment. Thankfully I dont need to report in as frequently as my Enticer friend Steph, I can at least space my week's supply out for a little more than a month. They gave me an easy assignment: Seduce a mayor of some big town so we can blackmail him into letting us build a lumbermill for cheap toilet paper. Seducing him was easy enough. I posed as a young college student looking for an internship and he was willing to 'interview' me at the seedy hotel by the train station.
>>983512902/3Ill skip the foreplay and jump to where everything went tits up. I was on top, I still had my skirt on, and I had one of my lower tentacles around his manhood. He got a little bold and decided to peek 'under the hood' and got a full view of my package and his dick being milked by what looked like an intestine. He immediately started freaking out and punched me a few times which made the tentacle go into MAXIMUM SUCK mode. He screamed and choked me in retaliation. I started to panic and the rest of my tentacles sprang out of my body. I felt sharp pains in the tips of my top two tentacles and saw thin needle like teeth emerging along with a watery brownish fluid. At this point I hear my security detail pounding on the door but before I could regain composure the tentacles lash at the mayor like vipers! One went for his hand and face while the other tore out a chunk of flesh from his abdomen before it buried itself in his chest below his collarbone. My other lower tentacle then dove into the open wound on his abdomen and began sucking fluid out of him. He went slack and I noticed his hand and face had this consistency like melting candlewax. I pressed a finger on his face and it felt like pressing into Playdoh. A twisted smile crept across my face and I bent his fingers backwards into swirls.
>>983512943/3By the time my security detail broke the door down, my fingers were deep in his face and he looked more like a Fooglie from Spy Kids than an actual person. One of the detail tried to pull me off the mayor and got a tentacle nip to the face. His partner decided to pull out a magnum and discharge a round into my chest. The force of the impact sent me to the floor on the other side of the bed. I come out of my haze and yell to the detail not to shoot me again. The one with the magnum kept his aim on me and radioed in a clean up crew while his partner cried about his face melting. The clean up crew arrived sometime later along with a greasy man in a soaked suit. He laughed at the sorry state of the mayor and patted my shoulder. I get escorted into a limousine along with the greasy man. He reassured me that while the situation with the mayor is going to set deforestation and toilet paper production back months, Siren Cosmetics was very interested in my 'venom' and willing to help smooth over things with the regional board. I still had to answer to the board for the fuck up along with reports of delaying new bread for laughs on Saturday. I think Im in the clear for now but the guys in R&D want me in the lab four times a week for the next month. At least they were nice enough to schedule it for after I finish my shift in customer service. My chest still hurts from that magnum round but its getting better.
>>98350868Sprinklers & Club music
>>98351302Some motherfuckers are always trying to ice-skate uphill.
>>98351250Average Hermetic has never heard of the duty of those bearing superior humanity to help his leaders. Truly, a being undeserving of ascending. You don't if you don't want to, that's what ascending is all about
>>98350606You shouldn’t need payment to think, use that homid side of yours and see what’s going on, brother
>>98351146>I like to imagine mages perfectly understand what werewolves do but choose to turn their caerns into enchanted vibrating buttplugs anyways because they view that as more important.Pretty much, yeah. A mage will see your average garou as a very angry retard on spirit steroids, looking to fuck up their plan for winning the war for all of reality or some shit. The Union sees them as nothing more than a stubborn nuisance that refuses to go extinct.
Someone mind telling me about the rules for spending exp on spheres when you got an instructor and a library?
>>98351335I had meant to type out lessers here but my sleep deprived brain has ruined the point of the post. Anyway, I figure Mage is a game where you can apply noblesse oblige to your characters much more readily. Vampires are too antisocial for it, and everyone else isn't running on sheer egomania
>>98351388Noblesse oblige, to HUMANS. Garou act like they are the chosen ones. If a mage truly believed in noblesse oblige, Garou claiming to be superior and still acting like retarded animals would upset them even more. And I really doubt that the average Garou is going to accept the City of Poimandre (All humans awakened mages seeking knowledge) as ideal society worth striving towards in the first place which kind of does put them in conflict with hermetics if they understood each other.
>>98351438They're human enough, they'll get it eventually. Either way, it works out for them that there's none of that technology ruining the planet.
>>98350380Just admit that being gay would be less embarrassing than the truth and refuse to elaborate.
>>98351269Just because I can, im going into detail. Welcome to Mr. Bones Autistic Ride>God had the Angels make the world.>The world would run on the Three Resonances & three Spirits were born to embody them & give them focus Wyld/Wyvr/Wyrm>God made mankind.>God made Adam. Adam was a Mage who would oversee Creation & thus being Mage would be able to shape it to serve him.>Lucifer grew jealous of this. Lucifer wanted the Angels to rule Creation with himself at its head.>Thus Rebellion.>Thus the Fall.>This is also the Impergium. Garou/Fera were half spirits & they felt that Humanity were a threat to balance>Adam took a mortal wife, Lillith. She was just a regular mortal woman of the group of humanity that was made by God. No "first woman" or being equal to Adam.>Lillith wanted to shape Creation & be equal to Adam, but she couldnt.Lillith got mad. She ran off. She found Lucifer. Lucifer taught her Demon Lores. Lucifer & Lillith both hate Adam & Lillith REALLY hates Eve for taking her place & for being an actual equal to Adam>Adam begged God for a wife. God made Eve who was of Adam (basically a feminized clone so Eve effectively counts as Adam in all things spiritual)Adam & Eve are tempted by the Serpent (Lucifer or Lillith or maybe even a pawn/child of the two) in the GardenThis taints Paradise & begets the issues of Paradox & Consensus>The Rebellion & Fall & Adam & Eve being cast out of the Garden all happen at around the same time. Its a very tumultuous time & Humanity is beset from all sides by Lucifer & his Armies as well as the Garou/Fera being mixed in>Things calm down when the Demons are imprisoned
>>98350985I suppose it depends on the desired ghost experience since from an outside perspective all its lines seem to have enjoyers unlike other splats. I'm surprised people shittalk W20 but Orpheus seems pretty solid from what I've gandered into the book so far
>>98351476>Adam & Eve have sons>Caine kills Abel>Murder creates Death>Abel becomes the first Wraith & First of the Dead/King of the Underworld>Caine becomes Cursed>Caine's Murder breaks down most of the "spiritual machinery" & processes which keep Creation running smoothly. Spirits start devouring each other & such. On top of the fissures & Paradox which started to manifest when Adam & Eve left the Garden>Caine meets Lillith who tries to steal his divine spark which makes him a Mage & bind him to her so that she could use him as a weapon against his father but he resists.>Enoch is founded>Normal enough lore with the First City>Most all Clans are traced back to the four Second Gen Vampires Enoch (mystic Clans), Irad (Leaders & Warrior Clans), Zillah (Wild & Dark Clans) & in the shadows Lillith (Settites & a few others)>Catiff are the Clan of Caine
>>98350990Because everyone else is mostly staying within the lines (except groups like the Baali who just eat agg damage for their big rituals instead) while mages can't make a sandwitch without breaking some rule or another.
>>98351388My Kindred had a cult that was run very much on Nobilis Oblige. I mean, ruling over the line means looking after their health & wellbeing
>>98351462No Tech, just basically infinite amounts of willworkers everywhere. If your goal was to protect Gaia from being messed with would you rather: A human have a gun OR A human have awakened magic?
>>98351515The later. The world full of namers would at least mean no more massive pits of pollution and land devastated just so humans can have a box of metal carrying them around
>>98351515>>98351535>Infinite industrialization for the Wyrm to Wyrm out to>Or a bunch of H*mids spawning shit in and mass murdering each other with fireballsEh, you get less pollution in the first one.
>>98351541>>98351535the pollution might be slowly killing Gaia. 8 billion hermetics will bind and subjugate Gaia within a year, just for fun. They'll do this with every single tribal totem ever, too. They'll drain every single Caern dry faster than the wyrm ever could. They'll probably abduct, experiment and alter all Fera.They might unmake parts of reality with the magical equivalent of nuclear bombs, willy nilly. They're gonna reach into the lands of the dead, pull out their dead grandma, spit on every single natural law.And they won't even do it for some sort of super evil purpose, they're just doing whatever they want to in a given moment.
>>98351551That’s assuming they won’t focus on killing each other for the footnotes of their grimoires. If what the humans are saying about this order is true (particularly the losing to leeches twice part), I think their own stupidity and arrogance will keep their numbers in checkGranted, ideally a “mass awakening” (or whatever else namers call it) of humans would be much better if the verbena or the dreamspeakers were the ones to achieve it
If you could write a new edition of WtA what would you change?I would expand the book to cover Changing Breeds by default, Garou would just be more populous. All Kinfolk are the same & the shape changers are just "activated" Kinfolk. You can actually become any totem animal, its just that the Tribes all favor their own. 90% of this who experience the First Change would be wolves. Learning forms would be hard but possible. Shadowlords would be able to turn into crows, etc. There'd even be "mythical" or upgraded base forms you could learn like "winter wolf" or "unicorn". Some Tribes would jealously guard their known forms too. It'd be all but impossible to say convince the bears to let a wolf learn how to become a bear.Black Spiral Dancers would in turn embrace being freaky amalgams. Wolf heads, bat ears, reptilian spines, chicken feet etc.
How bad is the Wyrm in India?
They will sell us all out for their GREED, GREED, GREEDAs we cry for the Earth as she BLEEDS, BLEEDS, BLEEDS
>>98351483>Catiff are the Clan of CaineOkay, Stoneman.
>>98350093In the context of the World of Darkness, what would be a more interesting take on any of the non-Abrahamic gods? I mean, I agree that making Odin a vampire is a pretty fake and gay take, but what else could you do except, I dunno, make him a . . . spirit? I forget the made up word that Werewolf uses for beings like Luna and Helios.
>>98351624India is like the Wyld overrun but for some reason werewolves clearly don't like the place
>>98351618Yeah, I'd make the changing breed a bigger deal by default, mostly antagonistic. Really go all out with the War of Rage story. E.g. there IS a lot of catshifters, bearshifters or at least enough to be a realistic Thing You Just Have To Deal With for Garou. Depending on where you are, they might even outnumber you, and they all have their unique idiosyncracies. But they also all mostly fight for Gaia and it's a tragedy you are not allied. It's a nice neutral ally/enemy which requires a different approach. I don't know about the totem thing but I agree it's really weird how there's like 10 sorts of shifters (which seem to follow no rhyme or reason) and your explanation is a good step in the correct direction regarding that. Buuuuut.. it's just less cool.Spiral dancers being mutant chimeras is kind of cool, but again. I like the idea of there being an equivalent for every shifter, and it WOULD look grotesque. I don't want to commit the WTA5 sin of making everything too homogenized, you feel me? So I want to keep more distinct identities.As for Kinfolk, I liked the CofD approach and the approach in shit like Kinfolk: Breed Apart/Unsung heroes where they are in fact kind of supernatural themselves, even if "lesser". A Kinfolk having a single rite and a gift as well as a "tell" should be standard, I think Kinfolk should be a stronger half-splat than Ghoul.I hate WTA5s defeatist and muh streetshitter level approach. V5 has some merits, but wta5 is just dogshit. In feel, in theming, in mechanics, in lore. Impressively bad. So I'd definitely be working from w20 baseline and ignore 95% of anything w5 changed.I don't know if I conceptually like the super evil Wyrm thing and Pentex basically being Captain Planet villains. I hate the Nephandi for much the same reasons. I'd rather have more morally gray enemies which plays better into the theme of "Don't sperg out and make wise decisions" that the rage mechanic implies. So I'd lessen that aspect.
>>98351570>He wants to be some witch's meat dildo while she gorges on aborted placenta to fuel her spell>Said spell is to ruin the hair of another witch who called her a bitch 2 rotations of Jupiter agoBut at least they respect Gaia and spirits or some such most of the time.
>>98351624before the week of nightmares it was actually pretty in control which might be because the state religion worshiped the balance wyrm as shiva or it might be because it's vtm, kote and mage land and werewolf barely touched it
>>98351684Theres too much pollution for the Wyld to have any part of that place
>>98351701Don’t the current alphas of humans already do that to slow down aging anyway? That’s what the bone gnawer told me, at least
Ah, the "what if" debate the superstitionists have in order to cope with their outdated paradigm crashing and burning in real time. Science won, magic isn't real and anything not human will meet it's timetable-approved demise and the masses won't notice a thing. Another data center, please!
>>98351719you are confusing real world issues with white wolf orientalism in wod india is the land of dancing were serpents assassins, totally not evil death mages where even the setites become chill and join the local religion and caste system upon settling because of how cool and awesome it is and where the young punks been kuei jin and cainties who wondered why they had to be at war and couldn't all just get along and mortal problems basically don't exist
>>98351736Liberally hate 90's Orientalism. India is the the Wyrm's asshole
>>98351735If the technocracy controls the masses and consensus so hard how come they havent won yet? Checkmate
>>98351751It was quite literally a different time. Western cultural optimism was at a height not seen since victory in WW2, and people mostly knew the wider world from television and school, both of which can create a tailored, sanitized image. Orientalism happens when you know just enough about a culture to have a fondness for it (or more accurately, the idea of it), but not enough to breed contempt. However, as the rest of the world came online, we became more than familiar enough to breed contempt. Thus even the edgy, pessimistic, anti-modernist works of the 90 seem almost quaint today. Not to mention if they felt western society sucked, it's an obvious next step to lionize the curated, sanitized images of foreign cultures.
>>98351618So . . . you'd re-write Werewolf into not being werewolves, is what you're saying.
>>98351570>I think their own stupidity and arrogance will keep their numbers in checkGiven what people said about sorcerers last thread, the hermetic practice of awakening their master sorcerers into scrub mages really says everything you need to know.How in the fuck the Hermetics are in charge of the traditions in everything but name is incomprehensible. Their "Leadership" is the defining reason the technocracy folded the Trafitions like a lawn chair.
I wish there were at least a few multi-splat stories, if only because I feel like it'd be really funny to have a werewolf on the team quietly malding about a vamp/mage having the Without a Trace merit.
>>98351812Actually, we are so powerful that the technocracy had to be invented in direct response to our supremacy. With them gone, we would once again retvrn to the glory days of mythic europe. Sorcerer-Kings and Wizard towers everywhere. Nobody cared enough about the Shamans or Witches of the world to invent a global conspiracy to stop them. Another common hermetic w.
>>98351690I hate W5 too. I like the idea of Kinfolk being human + spirit & powerful. At least equal to the other half splats. I also think they need a bit of upward mobility too.In my mind Kinfolk are just Fera that didnt "activate" & become champions of Gaia. I dont think the differences between the different shifters should be more than culture & LONG grudges/feuds. Basically the War of Rage happened & so many forms, clans & knowledge was just straight lost. What little remains are isolationist & they dont share. It used to be all shifters were one & could take any form known to Gaia. But the tribes that would become the Garou killed just about everyone else & they relied so much on wolf form/being warriors that they forgot the others. On another note, they should also have top rank figures who are equal to the other splats.This would give players hope. Maybe if you could just get everyone to listen to reason & to uncover lost knowledge, maybe the Shifters could actually come back together, maybe they could uncover the lost mythical forms & turn the tide. The Black Spiral Dancers would be made up of any & all evil shifters. Thats one of the reasons why they become amalgam (though not every BSD is an amalgam. And I would put in the Litany that mixing forms is Taboo).Mostly I think making things Werewolf only is limiting so WtA would become idk Shifters the Apocalypse or whatever
>>98351290>that pictureDamn, bakeslave looks like that?
>>98351774Sort of yes. Id make it Werewolf+. I think Werewolves should be the diminished versions of a more expansive "Shifter" that they used to be. Able to switch from wolf to falcon to elephant to even something like a firebird or as previously mentioned a winter wolf. Maybe even dragons. Now 90% of play would still be Werewolves doing werewolf stuff. Theres just be MORE to become & more to achieve.
>>98351732I think your bone gnawer may have been listening to too many conspiracy theories. Our Theurge (Lupus Get) says the same sort of stuff but I've seen him browsing the internet in questionable sites. Vampires are hardly real enough to hold political power like that at any rate?
>>98351856With the deep dive into Werewolf culture and politics we get in Apocalypse making it Werewolf + the Fera ft. Kinfolk you'd have an 800 page lore book that reads like someone's horny Tolkien fanfic, but with animal people.
>>98351824There's a reason multi-splat is almost always the domain of autists, nogames, and lorefags. It sucks in practice. My group tried it exactly once, and in nWoD/CofD, which has better mechanics for it, and the campaign still imploded in short order. A good ST that knows what they're doing can swing it if the PCs are all one splat but there's NPCs of different game lines, but that's the practical limit.
>>98351883>>98351856Also. I know the Kinfolk breeding thing is uncomfortable to some people but as it stands, I would have it be the norm that giga Chad garou get multiple wives & competing for breeding rights would be a very real thing. Septs in trouble might even place their best women up as reward for help from outside members. Garou killing each other in duels to claim a woman they both loved. Treachery & backstabbing. Kinfolk males getting mad when the Kinfolk girl they were planning to marry gets put up as a prize by the shitty Chief. Old chiefs still using their power & influence to claim young maidens that should reasonably go to younger men. Tons of political turmoil to have & its a reasonable logical conclusion for their culture given the established lore.
>>98351913Then why isn't it more popular with furries?
>>98351927Werewolf incels would be even more dangerous than human ones... The Masquerade would be broken weekly.
>>98351913Im a big fan of big books. But also some of this can be chopped up & put into splatbooks. It doesnt have to cover absolutely everything all at once
>>98351928Because the game isn’t centered around the horny parts of the lore
>>98351927People who hate the Kinfolk breeding thing are the problem and we should endeavour to eject them from the playerbase and not give them any ground. You can see exactly where this sort of thinking ends up, and it's W5. A corporate fucking skinwalker of werewolf that is both simultaneously incredibly offensive and tonedeaf and the most lukewarm safe thing possible.It's this thought that certain bad evil implications should never be at the core of a society and still have them be the good guys, such as a weird geneline thing combined with animal kinfolk. Which is precisely why we should keep it and loudly complain if it's removed, it's a canary for further limpdicked bullshit approved by a corporate council. Old White Wolf would have been constantly satirizing these kinds of suits.
>>98351936To an extent. Between dudes taking on way too dangerous challenges for the honor & renown to try to claim their waifu & dying, running off to the BSDs to rape & slaughter, etc. There wouldnt be too much left over to break the veil
>>98351928A few things, I'd say>Furries are more about instant gratification than jerking it to the idea of werewolf porn>Werewolves and transformation stuff is its own subniche for furries>The "horny" aspects of WtA border more on the specific and the fantastical>a good amount of the printed characters like the immortal Fianna Garou read like they're Conan characters where they have a loyal wife + the wife gets murdered + then they get raped by the Fae/ Vampire/ else and then go on a revenge quest>the non-character specific horny aspects come with horny vibes but not the type where it feels like some guy wrote it for you to jerk off the way VtM was written but the way the guy himself wanted to jerk off with shit like the Kinfolk breeding and being forced to pump out religious zealots for a holy war or the borderline abusive treatment of kinfolk in being trained to show subservience to Garou constantly>Garou are also not hot fapping material since every supplement ever written turns them into violent psychos who WILL murder shit because they cannot think anymore including the kinfolk>Werewolf never got a formal erotic novel the way Vampire got>The illustrations are only horny if you're dangerously furry since there's no actual depiction of horny situations, even the ones that have them just be muscular wolf people doesn't really fetishize the muscles enough to fap to if you were an instant gratification goonerThat's the basis of it, a tl;dr tho>The book is more conceptual and less explicit>Garou are too chuddy to fap to>>98351927If Werewolf were written like this though, it would be pretty fappable comparatively.
>>98351958I feel the same way. The whole "Im an evil psycho but id never say nigger" mentality
>>98351913You can give a single page to other shifters and say they are a big fucking deal, throw them some mechanics the same way leeches and mages are done and say "ultimately, we don't really know much."Then in later books, expand. It's the intention of W20 that other changing breeds are mostly irrelevant afterthoughts that I'm saying is probably bad, when they could make great antagonists, neutral characters and sometimes allies.This is inherently better than Black Spiral Dancers for example, because a book for other Changing Breeds pulls duty as both shit for players, shit for npcs and shit for antagonists, as opposed to BSDs which can really only be antagonists.Compare to W20 again which would rather say "Other shifters mostly extinct?" and touts the Wyrm (BSD, Bane, Fomori, Humans) as the main enemy. This can still remain true, but you are leaving a lot of good shit on the table by making all other shifters be irrelevant. And for what? Because they think it's not worth the effort? It would steal werewolf spotlight?
>>98351958NTA and I think it's some sick shit, but I honestly agree. I don't dislike the kinfolk breeding thing or the treatment of them even if it's pretty awful since it's a core part of the setting. It helps to establish the Garou as flawed protagonists
>>98351972On the other hand the amount of raping and actual shit the Garou would do would do wonders for the werewolf/kinfolk population over time.
>>98351985That's fair enough, I can't claim to know why WW decided werewolves should be not only the spotlight but that even in Changing Breeds Fera are kind of just there and pretty small in number, though I think that's because Werewolves are more of a traditional horror monsters and that animal shifters typically function more as plot characters and less outright monsters in more stories. That and the wolf is a pretty iconic predator for the west.
>>98351951Maybe not at your table!
>>98352013>Werewolves are more of a traditional horror monstersProbably. Even if the traditional horror monster parts of werewolves are either skin-deep or not at all present in WtA, and it's largely covering for a game that's actually a mix of a modern fantasy druid (new age woo woo tree hugging included) and barbarian totem warrior. Probably because, what with the success of Vampire, they wanted to sell the illusion that they were sticking to the classic Halloween fare when they really weren't. I'm also nta and on your side. If you're gonna make a totem warrior/eco-terrorist game you might as well not arbitrarily limit yourself to werewolves. I don't think WtA would be nearly so contentious if they were more honest about the kind of game it is. now give me your rage (you)s, wieckslop fans.
>>98352033My table definitely has a lot of horny stuff if had one
>>98352033I've never really understood combining horny with system games. Is it more exciting for you to play your imaginary shitting dick nipple adult babyfur diaper rape fantasies if you roll dice to see if you succeed? How does it make you feel if you don't roll enough successes to get a boner? Or if you don't roll enough successes to groom a cub?
>>98352036I agree, Werewolves are cool but I don't see a reason to really limit the player, other than the politics of the setting make it pretty difficulty to run different types of Fera together since everyone was kind of engaging in the war of rage. Unfortunately, I DON'T want to fuck the Mokole so I can't agree with you. The Bastet can get it though.
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>>98352047>Local BSD gooncave in the hive>Training the cubs because I'm such a good Cuck-Bull-Nanny-Metis for my hivemates>Teaching the cub about the silver cock cage>Botch my rolls>He starts espousing pro-Gaia ideology he must have picked up from browsing his weird eco-fascist basketweaving forums>Decide my packmates would forgive me for snapping his neck and raping his corpse as an offering to the wyrm>Botch again>He escapes and joins the Bone Gnawers>mfw I'm a failwolf and master puts me in the torture chamberIt's a win-win, actually
>>98352077I think it was done to keep the setting simpler and not take focus away from the wolves.I feel like Bastet could rival woofs in popularity and really they should have done a cats vs dogs thing. Where the cats are in the shadows and doing conspiracy shit constantly, but are ambiguously on your side. Instead this sort of politicking went to intergarou shit, which is what I meant by taking away attention. If this was done, you'd muscle in on shadowlords and glasswalkers territory as a concept.
>>98352036I don't mind the notion of non-wolf shapeshifters getting more space in WtA - although I think the implementation of Fera and linking a lot of it pretty strongly with certain nationalities and ethnicities is gay - but I think that shapeshifters being able to just change into anything "if they know how" and that werewolves just turn into wolves at first because they . . . fucking like wolves or some arbitrary reason and are the most numerous for some other arbitrary reason . . . is not an ideal or enjoyable state. It's like some fucking gay Exalted shit.
Can anyone explain how the technocrats, especially the syndicate can make people dissappear without guns and stuff but STILL don't believe in magic?
>>98352107>although I think the implementation of Fera and linking a lot of it pretty strongly with certain nationalities and ethnicities is gayMy man, though even the Werewolves themselves are guilty of this. A lot of tribes are tied to specific ethnic groups and cultures.
>>98352107If there was more Fera they would naturally have more sub-groups solving the problem of each Fera being quite narrow in what they do. We don't want W5 tribes as political clubs, do we?But I agree about wolves just being wolves because that tribe of people is wolfy is kind of gay and uncool at the end of the day. Ruins the fantasy a bit.
Why are Mummy fans so thin-skinned? Is it because their game is just a glorified Vampire supplement?
>>98352104Likely yeah, the dogs vs cats angle has potential but a lot of that potential already has overlap with the shadowlords and if you include the Ananasi that's even more overlap. Some overlap can be good though, fighting a war in the shadow is engaging but the Shadow Lords would likely be too outnumbered to do much in between dealing with local threats and cat/spider spies.>>98352109Aurora Borealis.
>>98350007Snake hands wrote this post. Reminder that Set's tomb exploded when Jesus rose from the dead and he hasn't been seen since.
>>98351755That reminds me, how do you think future Mage writers will square the circle of the current tech industry being a bunch of lunatics who hate humanity?>If the Technocracy doesn't have them on a leash then they somehow lost enough control that even the goddamn tech industry doesn't care what they think and they're now a joke faction>If they do have them on a leash they've gotta make all that evil bullshit part of official Technocracy policyAnd how would you do it if it was up to you?
>>98352114I don't mind wolf tribes being somewhat ethnic since there's a rather large number of them so some level of political/ethnic grouping makes sense. I have more of a problem with how there isn't enough weird woof tribes>No tribe for Gauls or the Spanish>The Greeks are all edgy women>All of slavdom gets ONE tribe and it's the most jewish one>The British Isles gets like 3/4>RT's are more political than ethnic>Natives though only get 2 named tribes since the rest got wiped out, not necessarily a bad thing but there's enough canid species that you could have anything from were coyotes to were-dingoes elsewhere
>>98352128Anon, you need to plan your bait better. There aren't enough mummy fans for this to get the minimum bites for a schizo arc, let alone a full skub war.
>>98352135Dude is just a massive shitter, ignore him
>>98352047I can't speak for the wolf-fuckers (don't play their game), nor genuine ERPers (even if done with a girlfriend/spouse the dice would probably take me out of it too much), but I think horny stuff does have a place. Human beings are (largely) horny, and even most supernatural creatures are still fundamentally human, albeit with some sort of curse/caveat/modifier. There's also genuine romantic love on the opposite end of the spectrum from raw lust, with most things falling in between. I wouldn't be comfortable going into the details of a relationship or even a fuck buddy situation, but having such things occur adds verisimilitude to the game. Not to mention, both are common motivations for actual people. So I take the time to develop my character's thoughts on sex and love, even though I have no intention of getting weird with it, or even doing anything in-game with it depending on the game's scope.Not to mention, as an ST, there is a lot of potential in sexual horror. provided your players aren't porn-addicted perverts that would find it hot. Genuine perverts (not someone who's got weird fetishes that stay in their private life with consenting partners) and sex offenders can work as antagonists provided you've got a group with the stomach for it. You shouldn't go into painstaking detail, but when you pair actual magic, demons, and horrible monsters from beyond reality with humanity's natural propensity for perversion, and you've got nightmare fuel. Or in short, that meme about horror writers copying fetish content and vice versa. You can often work wonders of sexual horror with just implication alone.
>>98352135One of the funniest peaces of WoD jesus lore is that silent striders loved the guy. His presence was so anti demon that random banes within 100 miles would suddenly get flung out of their lairs and immediately jumped by werewolves while they were still confused.
>>98352128>Why are Mummy fans so thin-skinned? Is it because their game is just a glorified Vampire supplement?i think so. but also they are pretty much the first non vampire supernatural wod made and the fact that they never took off even after white wolf tried to make them a gameline + their immortality + their rarity ingame + the way the text overplays their usual "powerlevel" makes the premier special snowflake fodder even more so than certain bloodlines starting with S and stopping with alubri
>>98352130Introducing one thing always diminishes other things.Don't like werespiders for example, even though they're more unique than most Fera. Spiders aren't cool and their stuff should've been chopped up and given to other Fera, average Fera has like 5 pages of material in all of WoD.It's never been fucking explained why the Fera that exist do and others dont and it's just so fucking weird, so that genuinely needs some explanation.
>>98352114Yeah but you can have a gay nigger Get of Fenris or Silver Claw or a trans Black Fury who has a fourteen inch dick and gigantic hairy balls who is somehow a gold star lesbian.It's gay but it's not as gay as how the Fera is like "you must be THIS colour to change into a tiger or a lion."
>>98352109>Can anyone explain howAnon, there's a mandatory brainwashing course and implanted mind control chips that comes as part of joining the technocracy, specialty of the NWO.
>>98352119>>98352107They wouldnt be wolves "just cause" they would be wolves because wolves are the warrior form & the tribes that won the War did so by being the best warriors to the point they forgot they were anything else. They are also the most numerous because they killed everything else. They are ultimately the guy who took up a hammer to get a job done & it went on for so long & was so debilitating now he cant put the hammer down & everything looks like nails. They're stuck with only Rage.
>>98352163I actually liked Mummy more when it was the weird, atavistic oWoD equivalent to a nWoD blue book. Not everything needs to be a full splat with its own layer of reality and a bunch of books. If anything, it got worse in Revised when it got soft-rebooted and the mummies were given the Primaris treatment, which turned them into a glorified superhero template with an egyptian theme. also you're responding to a known troll.
>>98352109They can't. You can't be a member of the Technocracy without having a consensus-adhering paradigm. You could theoretically make a mage with Primal Utility 5 who can disintegrate someone while simultaneously siphoning all of their wealth into their bank account, but if that mage doesn't back it up with some sort of scientific method, the Technocratic Union is still doing to declare them a reality deviant and reprogram them until they use some sort of laser gun instead like a good Technocrat.
>>98352169Fair, even if we translated geographic range of an animal to shapeshifting, there should be some vatniks at this point who fucked the right siberian tiger woman, producing slav tiger shifters.
>>98352128>>98352163>Replied to himself to try to gain bites.This is fucking sad anon. Just use better bait. Nobody gives a shit about mummy.
Can we please move on? I don't want yet another thread to be devoted to non-stop magesorcererwerewolf circlejerking.
>>98352161>provided your players aren't porn-addicted perverts that would find it hot.This is the World of Darknes community anon.
>>98352186>>98352109>>98352172Anons have never heard of>Spontaneous Human Combustion>Ball Lightning>The CIA>A car crashNo guns or non-science needed.
Yeah, let's do Geist-Promethean-Deviant circlejerking instead.
>>98352192i also hate discussing world of darkness and wish they would stop, let's talk about pokemon instead
>>98352192>Can we please move on?To what exactly? There's not enough current events to hold a thread.Either grab a dick and join the circlejerk or make actual fan content.
>>98352181>spoiler i know i also don't fully agree with the statement i just thought it would be fun to call out the 3 mummy guys who i assume never played a mummy before > If anything, it got worse in Revised when it got soft-rebooted and the mummies were given the Primaris treatment, which turned them into a glorified superhero template with an egyptian theme.yeah i don't even dislike the idea of them having subsplats or the non egyptian mummies but the Amenti just do nothing for me as i kinda want mummies to be ancient sorcerers, perhaps leaning more into them being close to dnd liches and not... just people. they also have a bit of design space overlap with the imbued: normal people possessed by something greater that calls them to a holy war. but nearly none of the edge or downsides of the imbued or even the previous mummies (lest we forget the memory issues these guys had from being immortal but not having the statis curse part of vampirism) so they feel out of place in wod
>>98352200Galatea for the win.
>>98352161The line is quite fine though, which is why some of us question when reading some of the material whether it's actually softcore erotica or sexual horror (or both) when freaky shit happens. It's also important to note what modern audiences consider erotic is also significantly more influenced by the japanese and modernity than what the 90s were. Tentacles went from freaky to outright pornographic.
>>98352192It's like two guys, and so far it's been less bad than the second half of last thread. It's a pair of nogames jerking each other off about a game they clearly don't play, since it's all lorefaggotry and theory crafting. Though at least the latest branch of woof-fagging has been a bit more substantive criticism-defense. What'd you rather talk about anon?
>>98352203As a Mummy fan, Cofagrigus is the best Pocket Monster.
Thoughts on picture related? I don't remember any discussion about it.
>>98352205>>98352216>To what exactly?>What'd you rather talk about anon?How about Vampire, for once?
>>98352128Im commenting just to say that they arent just a Vampire thing. They're an everyone thing. Mummies can be buddies with vampires do to immortality, friends with Wraith since they can spend a lot of time in the Underworld, friends with Werewolf because of their altruism & goals of stopping the Wyrm/Apophis (also ive always wanted a Mummy power that let you morph the head of an Egyptian God & get big combat bonuses as a sort of Crinos-lite for Mummies), friends with Changelings because they are fonts of life & arent Banal, friends with Mages because they are Sorcerer+ & can be on almost the same level of power. Mummies can be everyone's friend & it sucks they didnt get more books. Mummies should have gotten a Corebook, a Players Book, a book for each faction, & another book that expanded how they can fit into crossover games. Its also hilarious that nWoD seemed to miss this, made Mummies worse, & then tried so hard to invent Beast as the friendsplat.
>>98352200>Splat with a few fans>Splat with no players>Splat with people aping it for inspiration
>>98352205>make actual fan contentBut nobody cares about that. And my Adderall has run out.
>>98352186>You can't be a member of the Technocracy without having a consensus-adhering paradigmAnon, the techies allow psionic paradigms, comicbook pseudo-science, and the syndicate allows straight-up tradition magic as long as you hide it from the public.The techies don't give That much of a shit as long as you keep quiet earth-side.
>>98352145>were coyotesThose are the Nuwisha.>were-dingoesThose WERE folded into the Australian Red Talons, oddly enough.
>>98352219i'll be honest i just bought it for the guy on the sharethread and i haven't read it yet
>>98352225>But nobody cares about that.Anon, the newfags will not shut the fuck up about hunter the parenting. The real problem is that the community cares Too Much about fan slop.
>>98352192Jesus. Last thread it was vampire circlejerking, now its wolf circlejerking. Stop complaining & being a bitch. We are talking about the game. If you dont like what's being discussed post something interesting enough to change the subject
>>98352229There are wolves or wolf-like mammals in a lot of places but there aren't an equivalent wolf-tribe is more my point, even though iirc a lot of the asian ones got folded into the beast courts.
>>98352161You're talking about something different. I'm talking about people who roll STR + ATH to see how long and how hard they can fuck, unironically, on a table with dice that would glow like white phosphorous under a black light. You know, the kind of shit you see in those D&D 3.5 fan supplements where they introduced a skill about good you are at fucking and tables for racial dick size adjustments and feats for fucking or like a defense stat for your anus whose diameter you randomly rolled like it's F.A.T.A.L.You're more describing, I dunno, some dude at the table saying "hey my character's name is John and he's got a personality flaw where he thinks with his dick and makes bad decisions with women" and the ST has an antagonist be a hot woman who gets John to do something stupid that the rest of the PCs have to help him rectify. I don't really have a problem with this unless the ST and John's player are describing John railing an NPC in full on pornographic detail. >>98352119>We don't want W5 tribes as political clubs, do we?More like WtF would be more my speed.
>>98352232Oh, fuck. It's been shared?I just saw the link. Thank you, bro. Downloading right now.
>>98352200>Geist suffers from lack of a goal>Promethean suffers from railroading and an abstruse power system>Deviant suffers from a lack of coherent focus
>>98352203Do you like Mudkips?
I wonder what the WTA version of the recent Coywolf epidemic is like. We didn't figure out until recently that wolves and coyotes can cross-breed, and only did so because it happened in the wilds of north america.I wonder WTF happens if they breed true.
Raise your hand if you've posted more than twenty times in this thread. I want to determine if /wodg/'s insane popularity over the past week is due to a couple of autists churning out posts like crazy, or if there genuinely is an increase in interest as of late.A dead game like WoD/CofD rivalling Warhammer and MtG is insane. Usually, Battletech is the only dead game that gets that much attention on /tg/.
>>98352252Me!
>>98352195>>98352213I suppose I'm blessed then with a pretty solid group, they can handle some sexual content without getting weird about it, in either the perverted or puritan direction. It certainly is a fine line, but a worthwhile one to toe. I once told an ST, who had introduced to the notion that the city's sheriff had a creepy sapphic lust for my (very straight) PC, that he didn't need to shy away from the idea that a much older vampire could be creeping on a neonate. It gave us a very memorable character in the end, one who ended up being an interesting case study in low humanity and how a very powerful vampire can still ultimately be very pathetic.>>98352241... is there a WoD book that does that shit? I know the guide to the sabbat has a section about RPing a rape, but roll for sexual performance is like... something a group of teenagers would do once as a joke while chuckling to themselves and not actually going into the details.
>>98352248Promethean has such potential, but youd have to get rid of/change Disquiet just so you could put down roots a little. I cant fathom the thought process of making a game that has a mechanic that forces you to leave town after a point
>>98352252I choose to blame alphabusa for bringing in a flood of tourists.
>>98352252>A dead game like WoD/CofDIt is the second-most popular game after Dungeons and Dragons. Pathfinder counts as Dungeons and Dragons.
>>98352227>the syndicate allows straight-up tradition magic as long as you hide it from the publicAs subcontractors that they're willing to work with on a case-by-case basis, not as actual parts of the Technocracy.And any asshole trying to wheel out psionics and hypertech into the public eye is quickly going to get dragged off by the NWO for reconditioning.
>>98352221Which ones do you want to talk about? Masquerade, Requiem, V5? >>98352223Oh my God are Mummies the OG Beast? >>98352260Honestly I have no fucking clue but I'm assuming the absolute fucking degens who talk about putting horny into the game do.Oh, and Freak Legion has pic related.
>>98352264>It is the second-most popular game after Dungeons and Dragons.The 90s ended twenty-six years ago, anon. Call of Cthulhu, Blades in the Dark, Shadowdark, Draw Steel and Daggerheart are each miles more popular than all of WoD and CofD combined.
>>98352241I don't think anyone unironically rolls for sex outside of funny teenage shenanigans or when drinking>on a table with dice that would glow like white phosphorous under a black lightNow that, my friend, was written with one hand. And yeah, that probably wouldn't be very enjoyable past the first few jokes and high fives.>>98352252I've only posted 15ish times, I think, but the threads usually progress pretty well even if I'm not here.>>98352260I think most groups are ok with moderately horny shit if you discuss it in advance and don't make it weird by being so explicit that you clearly jerk to it. Anyway, that NPC idea sounds incredibly funny
>>98352221Okay, what about vampire? Masquerade or Requiem?>>98352224>>98352248Fuck you, Geist is great. I ran a game of it and I would actually probably do it again if I had a good idea for it. Probably in part because I've never liked the game lines with too narrow a focus or have too strict the goals for the PCs. Reason I can't bring myself to like Promethean in spite of it having a lot of good stuff in it. I like games that go "you're like this now, figure it out." Hence why I also like Vampire, HtV, and CtL. Gives me freedom as the ST. >>98352252Probably? I'm too lazy to recount. I'll definitely be at 20 by the end of the thread but I might not quite be there yet right now.
>>98352252I was only at five (six now)
>>98352279https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYAuR5bkIlQ
>>98352219it's better than the movement book, but that might just be because the circle of crone is more interesting and gives the writers more to work with. especially the curaci am a bit worried that it might be a too bloated now especially now with the alchemy witch brew merits (allowing you to turn blood magic into potions to be used later), single merits being turned into curac style merits, fast casting and all thati am also not a fan of the pseudo bloodlines they did in this book and the previous one. I know they pretty much translated most of the vtr1e bloodlines but these pseudo bloodlines are all new anyway so i would have prefered them to instead put that effort into new "true bloodlines" (which is also what that book calls it it's not me being petty) instead, but i think it's too late and they are going to do pseudo bloodlines for the other 3 covenants toothat being said i like how open the book is about the sabbat's influence on the circle's conception. the different ways the cults see the crone. like some see her as a actual god, a vampire, a metaphor or a magical language that curac runs on. the last i think might be new and the closest one can get to playing a tremere in vtr without using the conversion guides. how most members of the covenant don't actually care about the pagan traditions they use to dress up their blood rituals but that there is a minority that really does! and another minority that managed to actually get spirit lore going! finally getting rid of the "but uh vampires don't know about that". some of the rituals are also fun like the one that makes you a pet rank 1 strix like shadow being and i like the merits about vamps who actually know mythology and get to combine occult with another skill for dice rolls if appropriate
>>98352279I'm pretty sure WoD has more live-plays and groups streaming it compared to Call of Cthulhu or Daggerheart desu.
>>98352295Using "which game has more attention whores" as a metric for determining popularity isn't a good idea, if you ask me.
>>98352244oh should i also have said so in this thread? i haven't seen any interest for it beside your post so far so i wasn't sure
>>98352298[Angry Changeling: the Dreaming noises]
>>98352298It's a good measure for fan appeal and active players considering a lot of the groups are streaming or posting live-plays to a total audience of 5 viewers
>>98352304Yeah, but for every Call of Cthulhu player who is enough of an attention whore to stream their game, there are a hundred WoD attention whores. The games attract very different audiences.
>>98352281>Now that, my friend, was written with one hand. And yeah, that probably wouldn't be very enjoyable past the first few jokes and high fives.I'm intensely bitter about being a no games who's been burned by fetish fucks too many times online.>>98352282Geist more like Gayest. Just kidding man I'm glad you can enjoy Geist.
>>98352301I was just surprised it was so fast. But yeah, it's weird how even the Requiemfags have been quiet.
>>98350868Some people are dressed in anachronistic outfits but otherwise fit the mallgoth aestheticSome of the patrons have a very hungry/predatory look in their eyes and you feel like they're watching you but when you turn to look at them they are looking at something else
>>98352308Do CoC players gatekeep CoC or have they cucked out to the nuMythos faggots who don't call it Lovecraftian anymore because it's problematic and inject contemporary idpol into the games with very specific ideological goals?
>>98352308Fair enough, fair enough.>>98352310>Burned by fetish fucks too many times onlineDamn anon, sorry to hear that
>>98352276>Oh my God are Mummies the OG Beast?Mummies were the OG friendsplat. You could put a Mummy in any game with minimal fuss. A mummy can stand shoulder to shoulder with anyone & not feel out of place while also keeping its own distinct identity. Mummy is such a great fucking splat & I hate that it never took off. I blame the 90's for not vibing with it because it didnt have punk themes. If only the Brendan Frasier movie had came out earlier or something.That being said Beast is a horrible dark abomination made by a sexual predator with one hand on his dick. Literally the quintessential Leftist forcing themselves on others & into their spaces. "Oh yeah Beasts are so cool vampites just naturally vibe with them, & the werewolves encourage them to hunt with them" shit. Beast forces itself into you Chronicle & asks why you're such a bigot if you ask it to leave
>>98350868https://youtu.be/iXpxnxAL62A?si=lHlBSoF-CWfxei6G
>>98352316Half of them are Japanese, so make a guess.
>>98352320Would werewolves encourage them to join the hunt if the knew what the beast was aiming for with the hunt?
>>98352252Ive posted a lot. I wont count but to be fair, most of my posts are walls of text. Ive only been back over the last three/four days or so though. Im probably firmly in the autist category cause all I do is obsess over a game for a bit, get burnt out then obsess over a new game, ad nauseum
>>98352339>obsess over a game for a bit>get burnt out>then obsess over a new gameMy brother! Too bad I'm solidly in nogames for the foreseeable future
>>98352276If I HAD to steelman the infamous aggravated damage genitals, it's that it should be treated as a combat encounter that you only get into if your character is dumb enough to try to fuck whatever fomori has it. But fair enough point. Though I think most of the hornyposters here aren't exactly playing in many games. >>98352281Thanks. She was a fun NPC. Girl was a fucking 5th gen. Embraced in her late teens by Helena, who was using her for her family's wealth she was a member of the Medici family just minor enough to not be noticed siphoning money and promptly abandoned her when she had what she wanted, like most of her childer. Being romantically strung along by a woman that was madly in love with her own ghoul, then abandoned as diablerie bait in the dark medieval left her extremely messed up. It left her a mix of coward and bully as a survival tactic, with a tendency to pine for beautiful women half impotently and half predatorily. Her humanity eventually got so low she had to flee Italy for America when she broke the masquerade doing a very horrifying "art piece" that led to a mass casualty incident. We never go the details.Despite her age and generation, she wound up serving as sheriff for a prince less than half her age, and a fairly short-sighted one at that. She got reassigned to scourge after he was assassinated (by us, she was oblivious to our scheme because of her lust for my PC and general love of carnage), and by the end of the lengthy chronicle wound up leaving the city for greener pastures.
>>98352276>Oh my God are Mummies the OG Beast?nta. kinda but i am not sure the comparision works mummies are very inoffensive unless you are a wyrm cultist or setites (yes yes i know i said wyrm cultist twice) or you are outside the web of faith quint is very very rare in your area the worst one can say about a mummy might be that they are a bit preachy about morality than some average splat member might like (there is a bit about mummies in htr and it's hillarious because it's very obvious that the book has no idea how to create conflict between them and imbued)meanwhile beasts are hilariously offensive both in and out of universe but the writer insist that they are not! and uses rules to enforce their view of "family" with other splats regardless of if the other splat wants to or not
>>98352333To the writers of beast it literally doesnt matter. To the writers of Beast, beasts have some fucked up charisma with the other monsters to the point where they dont question why they are there or how their goals can conflict so much. Normally I would say a Forsaken would kill a Beast on sight for their practices alone. And a vampire wouldnt want the negative attention the Beast would draw. A Changeling would see them as abusers like the Gentry, etc etc. But some how its explicitly stated that all the other monsters treat Beast like "Family" & its specifically the fucked up Cultural Marxist version of found family bullshit
>>98352342Me too brother. Its been a while since ive been able to play
>>98352345>(there is a bit about mummies in htr and it's hillarious because it's very obvious that the book has no idea how to create conflict between them and imbued)HtR is such a schizoid splat and not in a good way. It can't even fucking decide if it's cool that you want to use your angel-given super powers to go on A MISSION FROM GOD and kill all the fangers or if you really should all be playing Innocents who want to take the knot from Children of Gaya when you aren't pissing and shitting yourself because the world's just so gosh darned scary and vampires are real and you're late on your car payments.
>>98352388You're allowed to cooperate with wolves without getting knotted anon, it's not mandatory.
>>98351871It was the closest one I could find that fit my criteria. The problem is Bakeslave has tits so most of the femboy pics I would have considered got disqualified for being obviously flat chested. >>983522529 posts if you include this one. Busy work day for the most part. Only really had time to make the general, find a pic for Bakeslave, and post the story I wrote up sunday and monday. I kinda wish I got more of a response to my story. If its something people would prefer not take up space then I can refrain from posting them. Sorry if Im being a little neurotic, I sometimes worry about having a negative effect on the general. Its the Boggan in me.
>>98351883Isn't that Animorphs
>>98352394I enjoyed the Bakeslave mini-plot anon, just not much to react to with that one, I think. Hard to RP with that stuff and half the story is more in the Tzimisce/Pentex handlers I think. Thank you for your contributions in baking new threads though
>>98352392The point is that Innocents are the faggot's Creed.Morally I feel like Redeemers should exist but I have no interest in them and the only Mercy Creed I'll given any of my time to is Martyr.
>>98352394how large a tits are we talking? maybe try 2n5
>>98352402I was thinking more all the Shapeshifter myths ive read, Maui even, or the indian dude in the Dreaden Files... but yeah a bunch of young werewolves fighting Pentex & fomori is pretty much no different from animorphs. Yeerks are definitely wyrmspawn. I think people are focusing too much on me wanting to open up werewolves to being shifters in general. It would mostly just be there for the occasional Bastet/Rokea player to join in wirhout as much tension & to allow for cool powers/forms in higher levels of play. Garou in WtA can already technically learn a handful of non-wolf forms as Gifts, so its not exactly reaching. Im just looking to make Fera/Garou a little less discreet. Like why should human kinfolk be stratified by were-species? Its not like they get much in the way of distinct wolf/cat/shark/lizard traits, so just make all kinfolk Kinfolk. It makes more sense that Fera/Garou are actually the same "species" & the animal forms are just different expressions of their Spirit side. I like the idea of a werewolf that can also take the form of a crow. And adding a few mythic forms, not unlike the Moon Cat form that exists in the books already would be cool. Give us Shadowolves & Hellhounds & Winterwolves, hell, give the Get of Fenris a monster sized giga Hispo form of Fenris thats the size of a bus or something.
>>98352412Bakeslave's measurements are: 34–23–34. He/she wears a 32B cup.
>>98352345>>98352388Seems easy enough to me. They aint human. They dont die right. They're beholden to outside powers. Their actions cause problems for mortals. They're too sexy. They have a weird ghost stapled to their soul.
>>98352450>34–23–34that's not femboy, that's a wasp with tits
>>98352456Isn't the world of darkness wonderful?
>>98352456>>98352450Tzimisce fleshcraft sure is beautiful, if my undead dried out ducts could shed tears they would.
>>98352449>Like why should human kinfolk be stratified by were-species? Its not like they get much in the way of distinct wolf/cat/shark/lizard traits, so just make all kinfolk Kinfolk.I think part of it is that tribalism vs unity is one of the themes of werewolf. Like, kinfolk aren't just stratified by their respective fera but also by which specific tribe they belong to and all the drama that evolves from having different garou tribes with different attitudes regarding the kinfolk clash in the Sept because their dwindling numbers of the Fera get in the way of maintaining an unmixed caernSo it's not so much, in my opinion, that having the shifters be as you propose is a bad idea, it's just a different vibeOn its own, I think it could workAlso yeah, Yeerk spawning pools are positively wyrmish
>>98352405Yeah this one was more backstory than anything. Making a sheet and using Possessed kinda put into perspective how crazy you can get with a fomori. Something I want to do with him is name each tentacle and give them pseudo personalities. Also I was thinking if anyone has any plots or ways to fuck with him, I can try to write a story around it. Im not the most keen on WtA lore but I did give him Triatic Scent (Weaver) and Bane Attractor; if anyone has any reading recommendations I would appreciate it>>98352412>>98352450>>98352456That sounds about right. iirc the humiliation stemmed from being the perfect tranny and utterly resenting the fact. I wasnt sure if he had 32B or 32C. It came down to >matching an 'attainable' femboy aesthetic>making it difficult to hide my tits to pass as an effeminate man while easier to pass as a cute girl
I wish I could become Carna's ghoul
>>98352635there are better way to get laid than to be the slave of a 1 humanity piece of shit anon
>>98352600>utterly resenting the fact.
i been reading up on the Solificati a bit and wow the m20 write up for the Solificati craft is the most cringe inducing waste of potential i ever seenfor those who haven't read it it pretty much reduces the children of knowledge to nothing more than druggies who consider those who joined house Solificati to be not true scotsman because they don't want to ... i get high on their own supplyit's especially bad because there was a real angle you could have taken with that: the rotes of the solificati talk alot about the split between eastern (mostly chinese as the solificati somehow go the guys who invented fireworks all the way back to join them) and western alchimists in the craft and only the western solificati have ties with the order of hermes and the traditions so why not split here? why make it about alchimists and cartel cooks? did a lot of people ask goatfucker if they can play walter white or something?
>>98352672>m20
>>98352635>He wants to be used for sex against his will and be in the polycule with all the abusive witchesI don't know how to tell you this, but you're better off being Kinfolk or a regular ghoul.
>>98352600Bakeslave is going to end up a Wraith under new management if this keeps up
Is there anything on approximate population numbers for the various creatures? I swear I had that once but so many years ago. Is 10,000 kindred too low?
>>98352721There are some official ratios thrown around here and there but everyone usually agrees the numbers are retarded.
>>98352721there are split across the books and most ignore them because of how low they are40k to 100k kindred but the later maybe includes kuei jin while the former does not include laibon or bloodlines and may just be the camarilla headcountlow thousands for the garou and faeroughly 1 mage for every 25 vampires not counting wartime embraces72 mummies created by horus and a few dozen cabiri"more than the living" for wraith666666 for demons but most are still in hell but there are also exactly 666 earthbound
>>98352721The official numbers were 1 kindred per 10000k normies, 12k Garou in the nation, and 250 vamps per singular mage. Yeah these numbers aren't very engaging and any official material ignores it entirely like Redemption, Bloodlines, etc.
>>98352721There are also some population comparison inside splats, like how Toreador and Brujah are the most numorous clans
>>98352748>The official numbers were 1 kindred per 10000k normiesit should be mentioned that this is also in-universe only a offical number and the second ed vtm corebook calls it out as being too low on purpose so that princes can reject embrace requests or purge undesirables more easyit was never meant to be a serious number
>>98352135There was a Ventrue in the 1300s that woke Set up trying to eat him, which therefore means that Set had to be alive at that time to be attacked or to wake up during it.
>>98352855yeah that's v20 canon from Children of the Revolution which is another timeline from 1e to revised
If Set is btfo why are the setites still around and the silentstriders+bubasti+mummies+children of isis btfo?
>>98352876set's oldest childer (plural) have been running things for him as a council of hierophants even before he got hit by true faith and they been doing it well. They been the ones who been dismanteling the osirian league while he was in topor after his first lost against horus + isis and osiris. they been the ones who managed to buy them in with the laibon, they been the ones who been supporting alexander the great, the ones who led the war against the true black hand and the wereserpents etc etc again all while set was in topor, but later during the dark age the hierophants started falling into topor too which let heresy take root in the clanbut by that point the clan been so entranced in egypt that the remains of the orsirian league members couldn't fight them anymore and even horus fucked off first to england and then to switzerlandthe setites then lost pure apex status in egypt for a while a few centuries later to the ashira but that had more to do with them decaying without leadership causing the setites breaking across the lines of the founding temple and while they managed to get some of their shit back together they never managed to get the musline cainites out of egypt
>>98352897this throws a wrench into my flawless plan of destroying the setite antediluvian and trading this achievement for a beautiful egyptian cat wife, it's so over.
>>98352897>council of 4th gens run things better than the offical leader while the 3rd gen is in toporhuh. Set really is the proto tremere
>>98352908>and trading this achievement for a beautiful egyptian cat wife,those aren't that expensive in house shaea you can get one of them with you membership (and library) card if you pay 10% extrathat's why they are even on the house logo
>>98352921>house shaeaPretty much women only, Anon. You just know they like it prickly, a stark difference to the ordinary western white woman. Must be all of that egyptian heritage.Is there no better way than joining a womens books and linguistics club?
>>98352925given how rare they are? probably no other ethical waysooo let's ask the setites
>>98352928anon.. they only keep the feline kinfolk. Those are cats. Like, actual cats. Insane, ghouled cats even. Do you understand anon? Anon? Anon??? ANON NO
>>98351855>Actually, we are so powerful that the technocracy had to be invented in direct response to our supremacy.>Got their shit rocked by some upstarts>Never recovered This is a common hermetic L
>>98352109Bro, just hire some cartel sicarios and have them melt your enemies in acid.
>>98352388>InnocentsJust treat them like the retards they are. You can't call yourself a Hunter if you ain't going to kill monsters
>>98352252Maybe, but stretched out over months. I usually just lurk.
>>98352345>regardless of if the other splat wants to or notUnless you're a Demon. IIRC, Demons and Beasts fucking hate each other for some reason, even though Beasts really like everybody else.
>>98353071based agent smith save the rest of us from nightmare mind rape please
>>98353090Wow, mean. Beasts have a nasty tendency to intentionally rip apart a Demon's Cover. If you sic a Demon on one, it's going to get gang-raped even after it kills him.
>>98352672They have a better write-up in Revised but it's still partially about the drugs and the split up you mentioned. It's just that M20 really wanted to double down on that for some reason. Maybe Breaking Bad's popularity really did factor into that decision. Anyway, I do like them in general since they are weirdly influential for a group this small. I just hate what M20 did with them and I hate the disparate alliance as concept. Perhaps their Sorceror's Crusade write-up is better. I haven't read it so idk.
>>98352258How could the Shadow Lords look at this silly thing and say it was wyrm tainted?
>>98353112the problem with the Solificati in sorcerer crusade is that it's before their big failed fake betrayal(maybe) turned real one (maybe) and they are kinda lacking in flaws till then they worst anyone can say about them is that > Solificato seems arrogant and selfabsorbed. but even then>Behind that shell, however, the alchemist is a seer struggling with her own blindness. To her, the world is a lapeslry of symbols, tantalizing in its complexityand they are basicly just the order of hermes little brother without all the stupidity but also without the unity as their independence is important enough for them to walk out of the order of reason as soon as the other convention wanted to dictate what they been working on which explains why many of the modern alchimists still want to hit Heylel Teomim with a hammer
>>98352925Poor, typical, stupid misogynistic incel. Think, Anon, THINK! With a ratio of at least 99:1 Female to Male, you a statistically GUARANTEED to get laid. Typical Hermetic men (ie incels) are too proud to submit to a woman, leaving an entire House full women yearning for the symbolic “Wand” to complete their studies. And with the whole Egyptian mysticism focus of the House, you know those bitches be into some freaky shit.
>>98353202I literally explained this to you. These "hermetics" are, like you surmised, half freaky egyptian priestess. These women are feline property, Anon. Look at the fucking House Banner. Every single one of them. I swear I once saw I pawpad tramp stamp on one of them. That is NOT an egyptian mystery cult thing, I am 75% sure of this.
>>98352135Man, neither Jesus nor Set have been seen since the resurrection? Nor have they ever been seen in the same room? Really makes you think.
>>98353344yeah about how they are having a two millenia long orgy and we are all not invited
>>98353202>Thinking of touching foids>Touching cat foidsLmao, retards out there still don't know that they can literally build their perfect wife
Used desuarchive to look up what was talked about with mentor and library reducing exp cost. Unfortunately it seems to apply only to sorcerers. Shame. Because for mage as far as I know it only reduces the time it takes to progress.And has anyone played with that rule? Taking months break where your character isn’t involved in anything while he’s leveling up a sphere?
>>98352930>they only keep the feline kinfolk. Those are cats. Like, actual cats. Insane, ghouled cats evenI wonder why the setites never tried breeding feline kinfolk revenants like the Ventrue did with horses in dark ages.Kinfolk animals are notably more intelligent and obedient than their standard counterparts, making them more useful spies for animalism shannanigans.
>>98353699>Unfortunately it seems to apply only to sorcerers.It used to also apply to mages in 1e and 2e. Dark Ages Mages also uses that rule.Since the change happened in revised, same edition all the horizon realms and most chantries blew up, some anons headcanon it was because 90% of the useful books got lost in the avatar stormTechnically, that means all those books should have become immensely powerful relics in the famous stygia library...
>>98353742because the point wasn't to have kinfolk ghouls minions but to have hostages to use against their fera counterparts so them being few is a feature as it makes the Bubasti less likely to try something stupid in hopes of getting one out and them only being ghouls instead of revenants is another feature because it means they age to dust if they don't get their fix
>>98353754Anon, it's not like the settites have to tell the bubasti that there's a ghoul farm.Given how the settites are the clan that invented fully embraced vampire snakes, I don't think practicality is something they'll let get in the way of a chance for unethical experimentation and further corruption of something sacred.
>>98353750>Technically, that means all those books should have become immensely powerful relics in the famous stygia library...Another Win for Necromancy!
>>98353742>>98353754pretty sure setites dont even know they have the cats only animal kinfolk, and it's written somewhere if they knew they'd destroy them in hopes of destroying the bubasti
can someone redpill me on gargoyles? i don't get the hypelike even not going into all the other things you can make with blood sorcery the tremere already have dominate so you could already mindrape someone into being your servant so why make cannon fodder that takes two vampires to make and why does the community so like the idea of owning a overpriced cannon fodder like that so much?
>>98353871Because they are incredibly stylish. You can have them pose around until they're needed. Also needing two vampires to make it isn't a problem if you need (or want) two vampires to disappear, which can be very possible if you live in the right (or wrong) area.
>>98353871They're a flex, a statement of power.>I'm strong enough that I've risked aggravating other Kindred by effectively killing two vampires in order to create a mystical minion that outdoes anything that Vicissitude can produce and I'm going to keep it around as a servant bound to my will even though it hates my guts because my magic is so strong that it can overcome Jyhad. The cherry on top is that no one is actually willing to do anything me kidnapping and fleshwarping two vampires to make this happen, either because I'm too useful to them or too powerful for them to stop.It is the ultimate Tremere kino, that no other clan can hope to live up to.
>>98353750Ah, a shame. I was hoping to exploit that because grinding exp is a chore when you get 2 or 3 per session.
>>98353750>It used to also apply to mages in 1e and 2e. Dark Ages Mages also uses that rule.that's kinda weird given that dark age mage came out later than revised core right?
>>98353750>Technically, that means all those books should have become immensely powerful relics in the famous stygia library...If you play with the avatar storm then the 6th malestrom happened at the exact same time meaning there is no stygia library like at all
>>98353871What else are you gonna do with Gangrel, Nossies, & Tzimisce? There only good for spare parts. The Tremere just found a way to turn them to good use as the ultimate servant/guard/slave. The tremere had literal piles of bodies just littering the grounds of their Chantries so they decided to show the Tzims what a real flesh warped slave should look like.
>>98353871Tremere only exists to kill and piss of other vampires.
>>98352930A cat is fine too, I suppose.
>>98354306Tremere arent even vampires who crashed into the vampire world & started doing vampire shit way better than all the other vampires. They went from these fringe weirdos that stole Tzimisce blood, to founding the Camarilla & getting everyone to need them. 10/10
But can you make Kuei-Jin gargoyles?
>>98352172I've read a little of the technocrats but I didn't know the brainwashing was that prevelant. Do they like, speed run new mages they find through it or does it have to be someone that already sort of has an affiliation to the spheres they congregate around? >>98352130May I see it?>>98352186I mean like "liquidate asset- person" is a legit 5th level syndicate spell. I'm just wondering how the technocrats squares away some of the stuff they can do that doesn't align with sciences or uses a """"""plasma gun"""""" to fire lightning balls. Like I'm assuming a technocrats gets ambushed by a forces wielding hermetic and what, he pulls out a calculator and "deducts" him, and like 5 men in suits knock on the door and just take him away and he gets a check in the mail? I just wanna know HOW the technocrats can reconcile things like the avatars as "sparks of innovation" or "inner monologues for the geniuses out there", mean while they have pseudo metaphysical surgeries to remove the avatars of awakened sleepers? Like they KNOW """magic""" is real but they just label non technocrats users as "deviants", so what they consider them mutants or monsters? >>98352196Am I causing that human combustion subconsciously without realizing I'm magic and doing it with magic?
>>98354508Clan Tremere could probably make it work
>>98354528>I've read a little of the technocrats but I didn't know the brainwashing was that prevelant. Do they like, speed run new mages they find through it or does it have to be someone that already sort of has an affiliation to the spheres they congregate around? They are known to both actively recruit newly awakened mages and to convert ones from other factions. Though whether they are brainwashed is pretty inconsistent in the lore. Depends on the edition. I'm pretty sure they made the brainwashing levels optional at some point.
>>98352252I've posted far less than 20 times itt, but i usually only do somewhat funny semi-offtop shitposts like that one about the Red Hood Garou-Hunts-Down-Tremere-By-Tracing-Him-Through-His-Bane-Ridden-Glasses several months ago (and some other anon had even saved the picture i had used and had reused it several threads ago). I had joined you after D&D 3.5 thread had succumbed to Pathfinder heresy in its op-post and is just a no-gaems, who had actually fully read only DtF (core), ToJ and half of VtM (and had once found a story about some grandpa with his blind-deaf grandsons whom he had send one by one over some grand wall by giving them ears, noses, eyes only for the last grandson on return being able to see their grandpa being some eldritch abomination and tearing himself apart in horror and madness as the result - and not a single anon had helped me to identify the book although it was clearly describing Abyss in that part). I kinda like to explore systems and interconnected lore - and your is seem to be interesting and TES-tier "unstable" enough for me to enjoy interacting with.
>>98354508The one in VtM:B was already a weeb, it was stalking an Asian theater and wearing some samurai armor
>>98354625Since he's Strauss' creation, wouldn't that make Max a closet weeb?
>>98352252Funny enough, a busy IRL schedule makes it hard for me to keep up with this thread when it's this fast so I mostly stop posting when this thread is that active
>>98354528No you may not see the Aurora Borealis localized entirely in my kitchen at this time of year in this time of the day.>Am I causing human combustion subconsciously without realizing I'm magicWell, if the person you're talking to seems to be a tad drunk and spontaneously catches fire, who's to say that it was you and NOT the copious amount of alcohol he suddenly drank? It's all about mental gymnastics and cope, more so if you think you're a "sciencer" instead of a magicman.
>>98354633I actually don't know this, can Gargoyles change their looks or do they always look the way they were created by their masters?IIRC Gargoyle creation was banned about 600 years before VtM's date and Strauss obviously didn't break Chantry rules by creating one after it so his creation had free will for a very long timeNo idea if this allowed the gargoyle to cosplay as a samurai or if he always looked like that
>>98354650>can Gargoyles change their looks or do they always look the way they were created by their masters?IIRC, the only way to change your appearance is Vicissitude. So no.
>>98354625>>98354633>Wears red trenchcoat with red glasses like he's Vash the StampedeWorld's thinnest closet, maybe. If he had hair he'd dye it blonde and spike it up.>>98354593Always fun to enjoy slightly in-character shitposts. Sadly nogames seems to be a sorta reality for most posters on the site since half of these are niche RPGs already and everyone's sort of moved on to using discord or online gayming which is a different and less personal beast entirely.
>>98354664>If he had hair he'd dye it blonde and spike it up.He tried to don a spiky anime wig but his sire said no.
>>98354650>Gargoyle creation was banned 600 years before VtM's dateMore like 400-500 or so since the Tremere only formally joined vampiredom around the 1460s, and a lot of the books sort of imply Gargoyle creation still takes place but just less publicly. Partly why Strauss wanted you to kill the Gargoyle was so it wasn't traced back to the chantry and got him reprimanded. Whether or not he himself made it is up for discussion but Strauss was likely concerned more than just a little masquerade breach. There's already a masquerade breach mission in the game and the game has very little overlap between scenarios as it is.
>>98354062>that's kinda weird given that dark age mage came out later than revised core right?Probably a sign that the dark ages writers realized how unpopular that change was with the fanbase. The revised version of the library backround is just flavor text, there's no functional difference between having an immense library of ancient hermetic knowledge and just having the same amount of dots in an ability like "Research".
>>98354675This sort of conversation has likely happened more than once>No childe, you cannot be a character from one of those japanese cartoons, it's just a phase anyway>I HATE YOU SIRE
>>98354678>Whether or not he himself made it is up for discussionHe did, it's mentioned by Strauss and the gargoyle both.
>>98354678Strauss admits it if you pass a speech check iirc
The thought of a vampire who was around when Japan began opening itself to the wider world and trading with Westerners getting enamored with Japanese culture to an obsessive degree and eventually becoming an anime otaku as an outgrowth of that (give or take attending the occasional con) is hilarious and terrifying in equal measure.
>>98354528Metric tons of double think and pretending that a lot of what they do scientific. It's worth noting the leaders of the technocracy are fully aware that consensual reality is a thing and that magic is real, even though most technocrats don't know that. By the time you advance enough to learn that at adept or master level, you're either so jaded that you don't care or so brainwashed that it you just accept it.
>>98354688>>98354696Damn, peak Tremere behavior of sending a neophyte to his doom so that you can resolve a problem you created.
>>98354718Lacroix does the same thing but I don't see you calling that "typical Ventrue behavior"
>>98354718Pretty much everyone was ready and willing to send the fledgling to his/her death if it meant they didnt need to do something themselves.
>>98354718If you get crushed by the Pyramid you deserve it
>>98354709Am I also right in assuming that each bran has its own "grunt line" they feed to their workers, even "awakened"?Like the NWO telling their boys in black that they ARE facing supernatural things but they're more mad scientist creations/ extra demensionals. Or the Progenitors basically leaning heavy into the extra senses and "genetherapy" side of the extra cool stuff they can do?
>>98354745>>98354753>>98354758>Brujah, Ventrue, and Tremere reactionsYou guys excuse terrible leadership too frequently for Kindred to rise up against their Antediluvian oppressors.
>>98354775Its fully within your power to climb the pyramid. Get blackmail, set him up to fail in a way where youre blameless. Blood Bond the fucker on the sly. Theres a million & one ways to climb, but youd rather sit there going "woe is me, my sire/primogen is such an asshole" when you have fangs & knowledge in your head to challenge him.
>>98354528>I'm just wondering how the technocrats squares away some of the stuff they can do that doesn't align with sciences or uses a """"""plasma gun"""""" to fire lightning ballsEnlightened Science is too advanced for most people to understand so regualr science is just a retardified version of what the technocrats consider normal. Your super cool gadget fails? You obviously didn't test it enough and it wasn't ready for earth operations.>Like I'm assuming a technocrats gets ambushed by a forces wielding hermetic and what, he pulls out a calculator and "deducts" himVery vulgar and will get you punished if Control finds out. You can always explain it away as some advanced knowledge of Prime and the ability to shape it with mathematical equations since you're a master in your field (5 dots btw).>mean while they have pseudo metaphysical surgeries to remove the avatars of awakened sleepers? Like they KNOW """magic""" is realThey're giving them a lobotomy since it's that genius that allows people to use magic. Technocrats would label magic as a result of contacting things from other dimensions or scientific phenomena that is yet to be understood. Everyone around you will find a "rational" explanation for everything and the leadership will make sure to reinforce that. The Inner Circle had hundreds of years to come up with ways to make you not question things.
Which clan is the most ghostlike?
>>98354877Harbinger of Skulls with Half Life merit
>>98354775What was the Sabbat's role in the Week of Nightmares again?
>>98354840>The Inner CircleThat's the Camarilla anon. The technocrats are directed by Control.
>>98354840So as I'm gathering:Low level technocrats have SUCH indoctrination or funneling training OR brainwashing that the magic they can do and the foci they use is directed in a way to seem like magic or magic adjacent and the other non technocrat mages are reality warping anomalies or people with dangerous but still "natural" abilities lHigher level ones KNOW about magic and the ascension war and still follow their paradigm because it's most beneficial for mankind but themselves. If they or low levels slip up and do "magic" they'll be reprimanded also/or they will rationalize it as "psionics" or a latent ESP ability that mankind as a whole hasn't unlocked yet. Even pyrokenesis is on the table. However this is VERY frowned upon or rare. Basically each technocrat looks at the things they do as the secret, natural extension of the power of their own specific factions paradigm and the power that force holds, even as insane as it may appear. A syndicate mage making someone dissappear from the safety of their home by charging some expenditures and making a few phone calls to people to convince them they're not profitable is just the sheer power of the free marker solving your problems. Of course too, the progenitor and iteration x duo who're using tungsten rods and lightning coils to reanimate a corpse for use as a cyborg aren't making a frankenstein monster, but following the natural end of electromuscular rejuvenation and mechanically assisted motor function to create their golem
>>98355081*seem not like magic
>>98355081Phone posting please forgive the errors
>>98355047I could have sworn that's what the original archmages from the order od reason were called. They're the ones who reside in the high umbra.
>>98354828Caring about pack hierarchy is more dog behavior to be honest. >>98354969Extenuating circumstance.
>>98354969Watching the technocracy BVLLS deal with the problem
>>98352252I occasionally post about my OC, Lore questions, opinions, questions about other game lines, and theoretical builds. But like >>98350338 says, my low-quality inflammatory shitposting farms more (You)s. I have been posting a bit more the past couple months, sometimes 3 or 4 posts a day, but I've always been here.Removing poster count was a mistake.
>>98355479Imagine saving a packmate from a Yeren and then blackmailing their potential death and defilement out of them for sexual favors. Truly, the Shadow Lord lifestyle has its rewards every now and then.
>>98354700>The thought of a vampire who was around when Japan began opening itself to the wider world and trading with Westerners getting enamored with Japanese culture to an obsessive degree and eventually becoming an anime otaku as an outgrowth of that (give or take attending the occasional con) is hilarious and terrifying in equal measure.the japanese became obsessed with western culture first retard
>>98355381The Pyramid is a social structure used by the Tremere to act as protection against the other Clans which are not nearly so organized, (the entire clan can mobilize towards collective goals very fast & efficiently) but also to stratify those with talent & ambition from those who are better off being drones. The blood sorcery is nice too
>>98354528>>98355081>I mean like "liquidate asset- person" is a legit 5th level syndicate spell.You are neglecting the aspect of HOW they cast it. Yes, they have magic that can do that, but all of the most egregious and vulgar magic is dressed up as hypertech. The Syndicate jackass with Primal Utility 5 HAS to use an acid vat or a plasma gun or a disintegration field or psionic implants (though that's pushing it) in order to liquidate someone and reduce them to Quintessence, because their paradigm demands it. If they believed a more mystical paradigm, then maybe they could wiggle their fingers and just make a person dissolve using Primal Utility 5, but then they wouldn't belong in the Syndicate or Technocracy.Technocrats don't cast spells, they use technology and scientific methods. At the low level, this is because they don't believe that they can, because they've been programmed to believe that magic is reality deviance orchestrated by supernatural entities who want to prey on humanity. At the high level, this is because they have a strong understanding of how the consensus works and they're not going to be able to eliminate reality deviants from the consensus if they run around doing the same shit as them, so they understand that they have to dress up their magic as hypertech if they want to shape the collective consciousness and delete all forms of mystical magic once and for all. Blatant hypocrisy would undermine their cause.
40 posts on hermeticuck and technocraps showing why Sons of Ether are the best
>>98355830>etherite faces when they sail to miranda to claim the moon for the sons of ether only to discover a couple of shamans from the walker traditions are already there and sharing a peace pipe as they dangle their legs off the edge of verona rupes
>>98349926Be a dumbass or be a Lasombra who was gonna do all that anyway.>>98350446Yeah I just let nazi mage do wards and pretend to understand. Every attempt at understanding has melted my brain, so I just trust he won't mislead me at this point. Not ideal but is what it is.Speaking of... had a short sidestory last night. We shot a Salubri Antitribu from the 5th story of Adel's manor. Hibiki and Hana went to stake and capture him for shipment to the Tremere back in Okinawa while Aiko kept watch with her NVGs and Kar98K.A five-man rape gang showed up and started harassing them (mostly Hana, who thankfully was at least transformed so she was 12 rather than 5). Hibiki went to punch one's head off in Yakub's name, but Hana somehow restrained her despite having the strength of a twig. Then the one she just saved groped her, causing Aiko to blow his head clean off. Two ran, two stayed. Hibiki killed one of the remaining rapists, turned the other into a goat to use as bait. Then the two that ran came back and got killed as well, while the goat ran off into a Sabbat-infested Leipzig in the dead of night.While Hana puts the bodies into a nearby box labeled "dead nigger storage", Andrew has a dream where he's given a gift from an archmage that protects the Princesses (thanks for saving several Princesses via his position in the Green Vault).The knife is pretty powerful, but accepting it also cursed him to become a frail 13 year old girl and altered everyone's memory of him. The archmage viewed it as "making you too cute for most to hurt." He did get Prime 3 for free along with a silver dagger that can attack 3 times per turn, +10 dex, +5 Charisma, +5 Appearance, and +5 Melee though. All it cost him were his strength, stamina,, and dignity.Oh also Hibiki tore up an entire room in the manor, and both Aiko and Andrea are scheming to pin it all on her anyway. So Adelweiss is probably gonna be pissed at the dog. Damn mutt broke 4 antique chairs and a WW2-era radio.
>>98354306>Tremere only exists to kill and piss of other vampires.Based. This is why Tremere is my amaecond favorite clan.
>>98355830I own a whimsical voidship, because that's what the pioneers of science intended.
>>98355876Who is your amarst favorite clan?
>>98352279>Blades in the Dark, Shadowdark, Draw Steel and DaggerheartYou eitherbmade all of those up or they are inconsequential nothingburgers no-one outside your brainrot clique has heard of.
>>98349986I genuinely do not give a single shit if something is "muh blasphemous" or not. Anything that touches upon religion should be ambigious by design, and having contradictions is part of that, but does not in itself mean that it cannot be rationalized by the religions themselves.
>>98352252In this exact one? No. In /WoDg/ the past few months? Yes.
>>98355908>he doesn't know any rpgs other than shit that was popular over a decade agoGet out of your basement, grog.
>>98355892Malkavians.
>>98355929
>>98352252I check in on /WoDg/ and /schreck/ pretty regularly but rarely find anything to comment on or contribute to. But since I did a scribble for my roommate to include with his post today, I guess I'll share some Brujah antitribu shenanigans.
>>98355884Verbena and Dreamspeakers dab on you by taking a leisurely walk to Mars.
>>98355941>that picture
>>98349986I've been going with them only part of the bigger picture. The Christain God does or at least did exist and Caine WAS cursed by him. But, I'm treating Gehenna as cyclical too. Civilization has been reset about 12 times so far, and my chronicle is set on the edge of the 13th Gehenna. Each time, the survivors rebuild and only Caine, the antediluvians, and a few archmages from prior cycles know the full extent of the truth.The Princesses are a new phenomenon in the 13th civilization. Birthed from an archmage who ascended during the 12th Gehenna.
>>98355941Thank you for the scribbles, setite anon.
>>98355941Very cute, thanks setiteanon.>>98355953Some traditions have no respect for style, I swear.
>>98355981>he thinks a metal shell and heavy clothes are a legitimate form of exploring the UmbraWhat are you, some kind of glass walker namer?
>>98355716What does that have to do with anything?
>>98353699>mentors and libraries with proper instructions reduce the cost of learning thingsNo wonder the Tremere were overpowered from the start.
In Book One, you learned about the beginning. You were there but your memory of the beginning had been removed. In Book One, your memory of the beginning was returned.In Book Two, you learned about the false world. You'd call the false world the real world. The false world is an illusion. You learned about the false world in Book Two. Now, in the Third Book, you are ready to learn about the dream world, the dream world within you. To dream is first to close your eyes, imagine, and then to be there. I'm waiting for you. The dream world is the real world and the real world is within you. I am not trying to hypnotize you. You were hypnotized as an angel when you were committed to the lunatic asylum. The lunatic asylum is what you call the real world but it is not the real world. What you call the real world is really the false world and what you call the dream world is the real world.Listen to my words. In the real world, your eyes are wide open but you're wearing a blindfold. At first, they convinced you that you had gone blind. Later, you forgot about the real world then they convinced you that the real world had never existed. Imagine. They convinced you that the real world was only a dream. Imagine. They convinced you that Heaven and angels are only real in dreams. In the false world, there is no Heaven or Hell. In the false world, an angel is not real. There are no fairies in the false world. There is no God here.
>>98350417What does a theoretical non-retarded infernalist actually look like?
>>98356104Solomon
>>98356137>bunch of demons so terrified of their boss that they refuse to even move an inch until his body has finished rottingThat checks out
>>98356104I'll go category-by-caregory>Non-Retarded BaaliAn antedeluvian>Non-Retarded Wyrm FeraAlready completed the spiral and became an incarna>Non-Retarded SpectreIs already onceborn>Non-Retarded NephandiThis one is a category error. Non-retarded mages, even infernalist mages, wouldn't become nephandi.Becoming a nephandus means you sold your soul already.>Bonus Round>Non-Retarded Human InfernalistHas every printed power in the game and is working on making their own.Infernalism is so easy to exploit that going from zero to effectively statless is a matter of not putting the gun in your mouth and pulling the trigger. However, the type of people that feel like they Need infernalism to get what they want are not the people that can pull that off.
What does having 10 dots in entropy like the unnamed aka Al-Aswad actually let you do?
>>98356319>>98356319>>98356319
>>98353071They tend to meet under bad circumstances as per >>98353096 which explains the demon animosity. As for the Beasts, running into a seemingly supernatural entity and them not detecting as family makes them paranoid.
