Meatfist Masher edition>Previously, in the Mortal Realms>>98353569>Official AoS website:https://www.ageofsigmar.com>Downloads, Rules Errata, and FAQs:https://www.warhammer-community.com/warhammer-age-of-sigmar-downloads/>Toolshttps://runebrush.pa-sy.com/warscroll/https://lordbaconbane.github.io/aoswarscrollcreator/>4e Booksgofile.io/d/JXpc9g>Anvil of Apotheosis hero creator (old):https://aosg.github.io/https://sigdex.io/>Thread Questions:What's your favourite weapon design in the game?What's your least favourite weapon design in the game?Can be anything from a stabba stick to ghal maraz
>What's your favourite weapon design in the game?Tie between drekkis duck foot gun or the auric flamekeepers axe. honorable mention to the scions of flame with their flamberge.>What's your least favourite weapon design in the game?Im in a love hate relationship with karirics swords because sometimes they look cartoony other times they dont look as bad as I remember them thing. Anyways the flails the fyreslayers have are the absolute fucking worse. I never knew why dwarves shouldnt havev flails until I saw them. Side note, but man I really hope the weapons for new duaradin are still comically big, I'll give fyreslayers shit any day of the week but big flaming axes is cool as shit and draws me in more than dwarves in fb ever did.
>>98362449>TQI like a lot of simple weapon designes, from Kritza's sword to Snatchaboss' chain so it's hard to pick one but I can easily pick the worst sort and it is every stabba weapon, bar the net. So fucking wide for compared to the model
>>98362476>Anyways the flails the fyreslayers have are the absolute fucking worse. I never knew why dwarves shouldnt havev flails until I saw them.Oh yeah those bother me too. Just looks like ass
How are Stalkers, Reapers and Archers in OBR? I really, really like those models but if taking them is the equivilant to throwing I'll keep putting it off
>>98362494archers are goodreapers are fine but you probably dont want more than 2 boxes of themstalkers idk.
I'm a sucker for a good mace/maul. I don't hate the CoS weaponry, but it's just...generic isn't right. It's all just sword and board, which is cool, but the variety of designs in shit like the swords is majorly lacking.We need more fist weapons and dumb shit like the Ogor's Ironfists and BoK's Goreglaive/Gorefist.
>>98362515>BoK's Goreglaive/Gorefist.This is honestly the best thing blades of khorne has cemented for me. Shields that look brutalistic and can be leveraged for offense.
>>98362498hell yeah, thanks
How are NH for a "growing" AOS campaign? We are a new group, no one played AOS before, except one guy who wants to run the campaign. I was thinking about taking NH for my faction, but not sure what models box to take (I know myself - I should take small separate boxes, one at a time, if I'll take a big one like the Spearhead, it will be buried in my pile of shame).So, really my questions are - what are pros\cons of NH in this situation? And what box should I take first? Thank you
>>98362633NH has great models but their rules and profiles suck ass thanks to their battletome, so just go for the models you like I guess.
>>98362638Thank you. So after your answer I did some research, and found site aos-events. NH there at absolute mid of winrate with 50% +\-. I guess that's a tournament scene only? NH shown as not very popular too.Another fun Death faction - Flesh-Courts - in a very interesting place - high winrate and very low popularity.
So taking a Warmaster means you can't use a heroic trait right?
Duaradin would be narratively better if they spoke in southern drawl.
>>98362669Sounds like an acceptable win rate to me, given you're probably not going to be playing tournaments anyway. As long as you and your opponent are having a good time it doesn't matter if you win, unless you're the type of guy who just likes to win. Which I won't even knock you for that. If that's how you have your fun then by all means.
>>98362677Elves are southern
Early ogor unboxing. Sprues and shit are in there.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xal_Z0ssXnA
>>98362677Texas Southern, Antebellum South Southern, or Louisiana Southern. Cause I think Seraphon should speak in Louisiana Southern and Sylvaneth should speak in Antebellum South Southern.
>>98362691>Sprues and shit are in thereI guess the packaging plant workers need more bathroom breaks
>>98362691sadly ironguts are mostly monopose. The champion has some options, so I guess its sort of fine if you're just reinforcing just one block of them. Curious to know if any parts are interchangeable. Overall looks easy to assemble though.
Speaking of accents, the orruks spelling their subfaction name yellerS instead of expected yellerZ should speak in perfect upper class english
>>98362698nah
Maybe they're hissing the "s"?
>>98362678I prefer 50\50 results and close matches, not win every time, not lose every time. That way everyone involved is happy. So 50% NH from aos-events is just in the right place, I think.But it doesn't correlate with the "profiles suck ass" comment - if their profiles are bad, something else should give them that 50% WR? And first models may be important?Also, if you don't mind me asking, why Flesh-Courts in such a strange place - usually strong factions (and they has good WR according to the site) are at least somehow popular, but these aren't at all, according to the stats. Do you know why, maybe?
>still gone rip
>>98362698delete this
>>98362691Skimmed a bit, tyrant also has another helmeted optionIronguts all have helmeted options, but unfortunatelybonly one extra weapon from what we've already seenGluttons all have helmeted and bare head options. As for weapons it looks like they have 5 maces, 5 swords, 5 right handed ironfists, and 3 left handed ironfists. That is in addition to the two handed mace each kit gets. Annoyingly all the maces are right handed and all the swords left handed, so you can't dual wield the same weapon. You can make at least 3 dual wielded ironfists per kit though, I know there was one anon here curious about that. All the weapons look fully interchangeable between kits, and in general they look pretty easy to assemble
Honestly not that big of a height difference but thats probably because of the heads. I fuckin love how chunky the new guys are.
>contrast slop paint job from heavy metal these guys are leaving soon I bet
>>98362752Oh, wow then my lads are still going to be massive lads in comparison. Great!
Damn I quit AoS in 3rd and I've been solidly WFB/TOW since then but they're bringing back my boys now, I might have to give this a go.
>>98362781These fuckers are singlehandedly responsible for all of destruction always having shit rules
>>98362698>tfw rolling mortals and ash babying my opponent's big guy
>>98362790How and also idc they're cool
>>98362796>howBecause they keep getting the best rules by virtue of being big fat bastards that just smash into you and steamroll everything.
>>98362757I hope. Those models always looked like garbage.
>>98362796It's mostly a shitpost but they used to be ridiculously busted in 1st edition, and since then no destruction army has ever been good for more then a couple of weeks at a time. The being that gw is punishing GA destruction for the sins of 1st edition bcr
>>98362815Oh yea I remember 1st edition it was sick
>>98362812They're a bit goofy, but a lot of GW models from that era are.
overall new ogors are looking overall easy to work with. Might start painting up again with them. Worst case scenario I just end up playing spearhead.
>>98362733You can build the champion Irongut as a regular Irongut, that's it unfortunately. Interestingly all the helms are a bit you place on top of bald heads. I've never seen that in a kit, it's kind of adorable and let's you use them as decorative bits
>>98362764These are really cool, however, I don't think they are fat enough.You should sculpt a new belly / gut plate
>>98362854
Thankfully the legs, though not the saddle, are detached on mawbeasts so you can easily slap the riders on Stonehorns
>>98362854Yeah I thought it was interesting too. I think the new gallants have something kind of like that but it wasn't 100% the same.Shame about the ironguts being so monopose though, only one extra build is a bit disappointing. I think these new ogres will be reasonably easy to do conversion work with, but still. You shouldn't have to go through the trouble.
>>98362721Any idea on Flesh Courts state?
If I wanted to run nagash, what army works best for him and what endless spell lore would work well? I was undecided between doing nighthaunt or running slaanesh. I do already have khorne, so I could use slaanesh stuff in 40k as well.
>>98362860this is now the 6th kit where the riders arent sculpted onto the mount. Truly a revolution for modern warhammer sculpts.
>>98362903used to be OBR, now I think hes most comfortable in night haunt im pretty sure.
>>98362912You know of any spells that work well with him? The primal tree seems nice for some extra damage and distraction stuff, but morbid also seems neat for board control. I am assuming i just run some chain rasps supported by revanents
>>98362869Gallants and Cavaliers have faceplates pretty much, but with Ogors you can throw any helm on any bald head.
>>98362449>tqProbably not!gorrok's mace here, though I love all the seraphon maces. Especially the ones with the little balls on em like the carnosaur scarvet has, as well as the aggradon riders.Least favourite probably goes to the skullreapers' (or whatever they're called) swords. I know it's warhammer and all, but at a certain point it really does become too much
>Hop on Mancrusher, we're deep strikingKINO
>>98362991this guys mace is pretty sick too
A great format to support maneaters: Warcry. A game GW refuses to actively support: Warcry.
>>98362905I think it's very sculptor and faction dependent
>>98363016(mancrushers aren't infantry so this wouldn't work with them)that is pretty cool though>>98363058damn, sickwhere'd you find this, are there more pics?
>https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/yviynxmi/warhammer-art-through-the-years-ogor-mawtribes/No new art, which is kinda surprising
>>98363071@cel_miniatureSome nice shit for BCR and FEC tbhon
>>98363072It's rather lazy to recycle art after a refresh. Did Maggotkin do this with all their Blightkings art?
>>98363072>no new art>only five (5!) pieceslmao they're really phoning these in. For real though, we've already seen some of the new art so why the fuck not include it?Also sidenote but while I generally think kevin chin is among modern gw's best artists, I always thought this ogre piece of his was kind of ass
>>98362752Mainly a proportion difference. WHF is chunky heroic scale and AoS is true scale Look at the hands here
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/u7whapmk/chronicles-of-ruin-the-law-of-meat/
>>98363141But new art in the short story?
>>98363143
>>98363141>‘You’re correct. We’re going anyway,’ he said. ‘This is my responsibility. One day it’ll be your responsibility. It’s always worked, since the earliest days. These aren’t orruks or beasts. However much they snort and scoff, ogors are canny. They understand our ways. And I’ll insist that as much as I have to, feed them as much as I have to, if it keeps them satisfied and away from our walls.’I'll never understand this abstraction. Ogres can't be mercenary anymore unless they're a different race of City Ogres Really ruining the setting because TOW has mercenary Ogres only huh?
>>98363121maggotkin haven't appeared in these articles yet. Generally they do include art of the new models though, like for example blood hags were in the DoK article. Unless you mean recycling the art in stuff like the battletomes in which case I have no idea.Anyway, these are the factions we've already had articles for:>stormies>daughters of khaine>Slaves to darkness>sylvaneth>skaven>nighthaunt>gits>khorne>cities>warclans>tzeentch>kharadron>slaanesh>ossiarchs>lumineth>idoneth>ogresNext week is apparently vamps, which leaves seraphon, sons of behemat, fyreslayers, nurgle, helsmiths, and fec.I think that's just enough time to sync up lizards and gargants with their respective releases, but for dorfs it's probably a bit too soon
>>98363151I meant in the battletome
>>98363131Mobile game tier looking set tbqh. GW needs to stop being stingy with its artists and pay for quality again. The art was much better back when they were a much smaller and poorer corp, they have no excuse for the declining art standards over the last 15 years
>>98363141>‘Don’t you go fearing no Stonebelly blaggards, little miss Marshal,’ rumbled a boulder baritone from nearby. Gruella sat on the edge of an unhitched cart, all but tipping it as she tore idly into the leg of some unfortunate sheep. Alright that is kind of cute>>98363150Anon they introduced a whole new named characters whose entire deal is being a mercenary. That'll be the maneaters' thing, being mercs. City ogres also aren't really mercs anyway.
>>98363175Grell, the character who isn't a mercenary anymore
>>98363144What's with this little green men I keep seeing in Ogor art? Baby Ogors? I could've sworn I read something about them... Gnobors or something? Eh, I forget.
>>98363188That's clearly a Pot Grot
>>98363188Grots, they they always helped Ogors. Just normal Grots
>>98363200Globb Glittermaw crushed them all when he died
>>98363181>Grell is a widely travelled warrior who has killed almost everything that can be killed, and eaten most of it too. She’ll sell her services to just about anybody for the right priceSounds like she's still in business anon
>>98363232>No RoR
>>98363237Her gang is not here yet
>>98363237That’s for Christmas
>>98363242tbf you can take Gotrek and the Darkwater heroes alone
How does an ogre fit in a cogfort
>>98362752what the fuck is going on with city ogres
>>98363296Asians Vs western neanderthal men
>>98363293How does a normal human get into a tank?
>>98363300Aren't neanderthals the manlets
>>98363293Probably one glutton per platform
>>98363322Everyone is a manlet compared to me.
So there should be a second wave of Maneaters, right?
>>98363334I'd hazard a guess and say at least one more foot gimmicky foot hero and one more duo build unit before end of edition.
>>98363334The campaign at the end of edition might see something, but I would guess it'll be a Stonehorn replacement
>>98363334Whitefang implied as muchGrell also points in that direction
>>98363343The leakers said there was a second wave coming with new maneaters, so I assumed.>>98363347They didn't mention that, but maybe, yeah.>>98363348Yeah thought so. Thanks.
>>98363322Neanderthals were the bigger stronger humans that didn't hang out in tribes as numerous as spaiens, so they lost to zerg rush
>>98362777ogres and ice age monsters are a killer combination
>>98363296what a sedentary lifestyle of multiple small processed plant-based meals does to an ogorfucker: all legs, no guts
>>98363141> Thinling city ogre traitor has her whore gut explodedExtremely based
>>98363356They were definitely smaller than us, though much stockier so potentially still smaller
>>98363296Mogged
>>98363489what the fuck
>>98363495There is a Ball Socking tournament in mortal realms, haven't you heard?
>>98363503Like the most blatant advertising in the least relevant place I can imagine.
>>98363527Wrong tab I suppose
Bloodpelt unironically looks nuts, 100ish points for a decent shoot that gives +1 to hit on ranged units. Not bad, especially if your opponent brings a monster.
>>98363072Did Mawtribes get a lot of artwork in the last decade?
>>98363566Even if they didn't would be the perfect opportunity to show off the new stuff
>>983635644 D3+1 attacks also isn't too shabbySo he's besstclaw now? He used to have the gutbuster keyword strangely enough
>>98363141VGH
>>98363564Are the new hunters and mounted shooters Beastclaw?The shooting on the BCR monsters is shit so it doesn't matter.
>>98363682New hunters, new riding shooters, AND underworlds guy is one too. (Though pretty mediocre unless he costs like... 80-100 points)
>>98363681another kopinski classic!
>>98363296They must starve the city ogres, and because there’s less fat holding them down they can grow taller
>>98363141I just see no point in reading any of these stories if AoS is being canned in a few years. Simply a waste of time.
Low effort bait
>>98363684We saw a manhunter warcroll?
>>98362905>>98363064yeah the modern seraphon cavalry aggradons and raptadons had fully separate riders too. it doesnt seem to be old vs new, its just random who gets what.
>>98363902Yeah it's pretty mid. Token abilities are like 3 steps to do something that's just eh at best.
>>98363684And he is 130 with an ability to joint some regiments as hero
>>98362449>What's your least favourite weapon design in the game?skours staff. the rest of the model is 10/10 but his staff is so unimpressive and mundane it doesnt even look like something a lowly grey seer would shame himself with. it doesnt even have a proper head at the end of the staff, just a christmas ornament hanging off the front of it
>>98363913never paid attention to that before but that is actually quite funny yeah
>>98363913I'm not sure how I feel about Skaven cloth being made of pieces with no obvious stitching. It's fine on big models like this but on the regular ones it just looks like unfilled gaps
>>98363904the warriors look so awkward on these guys though, almost as bad as Alarielle just standing on her bug. Like they took 2 models and slammed them together.
>>98364017never got that feelingthey've got their little stone throne-saddle thingies
>>98364017yes but they're just standing on the dinos. It looks awkward. It's not as bad as Alarielle, but it would look more natural if their legs conformed to the aggradon sides. But maybe it's intentional.
>>98364146Alarielle has to stand on her bug so we can admire her JUICY thighs
>>98364146A standard riding posture would look awful on lizardmen, is the thing.
I like this animalI always enjoying seeing depictions of the fauna of the realms. Though in this case it's more or less just a big sea elephant
>>98363913I don't like this guy at all, and that's part of it. All of the other Verminlords are acrobatic freaks with big and bombastic weapons like gigantic glaives or shurikens wider than a person, and then this idiot is hobbling like an old man with a walking stick.
>>98364204arctic elements is something they could definitely pick and use for beastclaw
>>98362449>What's your favourite weapon design in the game?The Arch-Warlock's power klaw. Big mechanical pincers are my favorite.>What's your least favourite weapon design in the game?The War Despot's glaive...(?) polearm.. thing is so moronically designed that it feels spiteful. I don't even know where to start with it. The Anointed Sentinel weapons do the same sort of motif while still looking like a weapon that could be lethal within reason.
>>98362449>What's your least favourite weapon design in the game?magmakike
>>98362449I know it's basic as fuck but one of my favorites is just Skumdrekk's catch pole. I really like catchpoles as weapons and try to figure out where to put them any chance I get.Other than that other option would be the ogor underworlds guy with the beartrap crossbow.Worst weapon... Vanguard raptor giant crossbow. I think the stormcast holy water napalm crossbows, or the stupid machine gun crossbow or pistol crossbows are fine, but the vanguard raptors are so basic bitch in that format it just does nothing for me.
>>98363906Surprisingly the Hunters have a profile for their sabres. I'm only using Hrothgorn for a proxy because tokens annoy me. I have more than two so it'll be a legends Icebrow and 2 frost sabres
Also shit I'm sorry lad,https://files.catbox.moe/wbo6q2.pdfOGOR PROFILES FOR ALL, DISCUSS!Glutton supremacy. I do genuinly think they're very strong, if not just because Ironguts kind of got shafted with losing the fight twice and extra model. Unironically I can see room for every model doing good, the butcher himself being a bit unimpressive though considering his ability is only after a unit dies, and once per game.
>>98364500Their magic looks good
>>98364561Shincruncher is funny as fuck especially with knocking people around with the charge.
Does anyone here happen to own the iron golems? Is minicompare accurate for the bruiser, they seem to be oddly small for what is supposed to be an ogre
>>98364650He is actually about that size yes.
>>98364500Ironguts getting 5++ by being near a hero is useful. It frees up Cleavers to sit near Redd.
>>98363141Did he just give up drawing the background half way through? Am i supposed to know what those random squiggly lines are supposed to represent? Fucking hell new art is so shit.
>>98364650around 40mm seems right
>>98364670It's always like that kek GW quality
>>98364500>4+ to hitIt's ogre...
>>98364701literally
>>98364670 >new artyeah because old art never did vague shit in the background.
>>98364661>>98364678thanks anons, appreciate it
>>98364500I wasn't following the ogre design stuff but is this a bin guy tome? Eat em alive seems really bad because it's dependent on your unit having already actually fought something, the thing they fought surviving and is 1 choice per unit.I can see the control one being good but a lot of the others are going to be meaningless because 1) the unit is already where you wanted it and 2) if it did its job the enemy unit is probably dead and 3) you're probably trading hammers so your unit is going away soon. Unless you can make some crazy defensive option with the -rend one, like maybe with guts?? >>98364663Just seems like way too many hoops to jump through for a core army ability with mid-tier buffs.
Same deal with these. Why the fuck don't I get to rampage and do this? Why does my OPPONENT get free movement of his guys when I use this?I read these army traits and am immediately demoralised.
>>98364834Eat em alive seems good, mind you I'm under the implication of guaranteed running Redd (I'll be honest ward aura, and his spell just flat out activating that shit in the hero phase is fantastic) alongside them. I think the buffs are solid and while you do have to be in combat first ogors got decent toughness and it seems like gluttons can work even if you're not doing the charging, with the buffs provided they can be tanky and if not it's a massive fuckoff block of wounds that actually output damage running into you.And Ironguts I dunno, you still only get 3, yeah the save's better but you're also needing to stick them next to an infantry hero of some description. >>98364860Tbf that's implying any of the rampges available in this tome are worth a damn. (Except frostlord on stonehorn, that shit is bonkers)
These seem pretty garbo too. Free movement is always good but everything is so fucking conditional. Why not just ogor units that charged this turn, why does it have to be charged on a higher than average roll? Why within 9" of a battle edge AND didn't charge this turn?Come on dude.
>>98364885Hinterland seems fine for the hunters who can deepstrike during placement, and they do enough damage on shoot and melee that I can see that being justified. Smash and grab is pretty boring, feast of bloodshed seems downright silly but I guess it rracks since the main gimmick here is big hits and bonking shit.Grubs up i'll say seems the most solid, again especially with Reddit. The only shitty thing is Reddit seems so good it feels like most of the army was designed around him greasin' the wheels.
>>98364879It's really that the enemy unit has to still be alive after your fight to trigger it. That's a brutal conditional downside.The whole book appears to be like this so far, but I'm just on Morga. Just far too many conditional things, wholly within 6" instead of 12" on an army defined by its big bases, tons of restrictions that just weren't needed. The designer's note made me lose hope.
>>98364927I should probably ask since I'm getting into ogors here, I primarily play ghouls so big damage and the option to shoot is new to me. I'm assuming you've got more experience, other than the nonsense conditions how about the actual stats unit wise? A lot of what's on show seems fine.
>>98364947I don't play ogors currently so maybe it'll work out, IDK. I look at literally everything, including your tyrants, hitting on a 4+ and cringe. Abilities which have too many hoops to jump through for too little reward are nothing new to AoS, but I just feel for so much of what I'm reading they could have loosened the rope a little.
>WHFB "dies">Empire becomes Stormcast Eternals, divine forged armoured warriors from the high planes, using thunder hammers>High Elves become Lumineth Realm-Lords: Greek elves fused with the Light magic, mastering magic & stone>Wood elves became even more sylvan/wood like>Other elves became Sea elves, using water magic and using sharks as mounts>Dwarfs either became super slayers infused in literal fire; Or SteamPunk dwarfs>And etc, etc.>Seraphon Lore: Supposed to become Lizard Angels flying magical pyramids, imbued with star power, and weapons being from celestial energy.>Reality: Seraphon are just WHFB Lizardmen, minis being upgraded from old 6th edition, but still Lizardmen from Old Mallus.>Some of the Hero units give an very small feel of the supposed lore.>This could work to be the Coalesced Seraphon...but not the other variant (Starborne)So why bother playing Seraphon when I could play anything more original, like Lumineth lords? I like Mayan magical Lizardmen, but if I wanted that, I just play OldWorld or WHFB 9th. What the lore said is cool but the miniatures are not that. Why should I play Seraphon, when I could play something more original, like Lumineth Realm-Lords?No, really question: Why should I play Seraphon over other cooler options?And will GW ever do proper Starborne Seraphon?
Like why is Winter's Cruelty contingent on me rolling less than the damage on my fucking ONE ATTACK HITS ON A 4+ ICE BLAST dude. For real? This tome is making me legitimately angry.
>>98364972That's just Destro man, everything hits on 4's (with at least a few buff options to help there) and you do 2 damage. I dunno, I feel the opposite, I play so many factions where damage is pretty limited to just "THE BIG GUY" so having shit like 2 damage ranged attacks or basic infantry doing 2 damage with like 4 attacks a piece... WOOFTA that shit makes me happy.The rules aren't all fantastic but I think a lot of the units make up for it, stat wise, individually there's quite a good bit here to see. Yeah there's a lot of conditional but I'll wait to see how often that comes into play when my brain goes into grug club mode.
>>98363351>>98363334We're not too far off the big pre-5th edition event right? They usually start the Autumn before the new edition comes out. Could well be that one of the books in that is themed around Ogres or something.
>>98364992because aztec sentient dinosaurs riding bigger dinosaurs while also occasionally shooting lasers out of magitek crystals was already a very high-fantasy* idea. Lizardmen, like skaven, didn't need an AoS makeover as they already fit in quite well. The order daemons of light thing was a bad idea, making it so your entire army is akshually just memories is /yourguys/ poison.*not that the other shit in whfb wasn't already textbook high fantasy, but we're speaking in relative terms here
>>98365064Have we ever wrapped up the whole "skaven exploding into the world" bit yet? I'm still not 100% sure what the fucking story of this edition is.
>>98365026I think there's definitely a Mawseekers build because Redd seems like a more reliable way to activate your army trait than the actual trait and the Mawseeker units synergise and deal good damage. I think there might be a shooting build because some of the shooting units seem surprisingly powerful.
>>98365077Tbh I've had no clue what's been happening since Broken Realms finished.
>>98365024Because they're trying to find more elaborate ways to describe rolling a d3>>98365093THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYIN, Redd himself is doing some heavy lifting here by adding survivability, easier access to your faction ability... Jesus christ as I read this I just realized, this is just Ush again. Ush from 3rd edition to the index...
>>98365100It helps that you don't lose wizards when you double down on mawseekers. I think the meatfist AoR would actually be decent if it didn't cut you off from wizards entirely.
Thinking of picking up either the original Seraphon Spearhead, original CoS spearhead, the ironjawz spearhead, or the hellsmiths one. I've played some warcry before, and have a bunch of random models I like the look of, but never actually played any spearhead or a full game. Could some kind anon give me a run down on how these factions play on the table? I haven't done a lot of wargaming in general.
>>98363334I can't help but sing this to the tune of man on the silver mountain by rainbow whenever I see this stupid phrase>>98365064I think it came pretty early in 3rd edition but usually it's the beginning of the new year. Like 40k this year for exampleWe also still have 3 battletomes to go, at least two of which will have a sizeable release beyond a pity hero.
>>98364860I don't know why you can't rampage with this but I like the rule. You choose which opponent you push and he have to choose if he wants mortals or staying where he is. And you get a pile-in after, so if he used full 3'' to run away you could persue or stay out of combat
>>98365120Haven't played 'em but built em and have done my research for cities at the very least. Cities is kind of... Big mixed forces thing, you get a little bit of everything : wizards, ranged, artilery, decent foot troops, decent chaff, 10 million named characters, monsters, cav, EVERYTHING. They're primarily based around matching the right heroes with the right guys to buff them up, they seem the most like a traditional styled army in what you're operating with in most cases. They seem solid but complex in what you're doing and piloting will probably take a decent chunk of time to properly learn what to do, where, and why.
>>98364992the point of aos wasn't to change things for the sake of changing them, it was to leave behind a setting that was deemed too restrictive and generic, and introduce fantasy marineslizardmen weren't generic, so they remained as they wereand no, the current range is not the coalesced side and there's no starborne side coming, the models work for both, the starborne theme in particular gets well represented by a high-magic color scheme, while the coalesced by more natural patterns
OK I think the Mawseeker AoR is so much more pushed than the other two it's really funny. Guess they want to move these units.
>>98365145I don't know why the starborne would even have different models. It's not like they're supposed to look different from coalesced anyway, besides maybe colour scheme as you said
Gonna consoom the fuck out of the new ogres.
>>98365197I feel like i've watched a whole arc happen here
>>98365165Gnoblar artefact and a leadbelcher gun is 10/10 though
>>98365169once you establish one side as the high-magic, high-tech and spacefaring one, while the other as the more naturalised, primal ones hidden inside jungles, it's natural to imagine a visual separation where the first are clean and bedecked in technology while the second are your more stereotypical savages covered in grisly trophies but lizardmen work best when the two extremes are blended, and in any case they don't warrant 2 parallel ranges
>>98364972I don't see why do you think this is so bad. They have a lot of movement, they hit like a truck when they hit and they throw a lot of attacks, they can push enemies and have a lot of debuffs to choose from. Ironguts are mediocre, most BCR are garbage but there are some great warscrolls as well
>>98365222Yeah this is an example of not good but fun which actually works unlike the 'roll a 3+ if you didn't charge and are wholly within 12" of a hero' stuff.
>Tyrant mercenary RoR >Nothing for the single Maneater in the entire army wat
>>98365247That's what I've been sayin! The destro trait is 4's and 2's to hit and wound, but having basically 2 damage on every attack and a decent amount of attacks is nothin' to scoff at. They even have REND! >>98365265She'll probably get something once they release maneaters proper. Otherwise she doesn't really go with anything else.
>>98365273Evidently she can go with anyone? They just confirmed tyrants and maulbeast riders can be mercenary
>>98365265Morga says maneaters are uncool now.
>>98365273As a KB player I would kill for that rend from Punches and Kicks
>>98365305Morga can suck a fatty, she's boring as fuck.>>98365308I feel like they gotta get rid of that rend if they decided no that the Ogre's don't get the little spikey bootys anymore.
>>98365305I hate the trad/tard chief already
>>98365305No one gives a fuck evidently
>>98364992Paintjobs nigga.
>>98365322>dogs of war >maulbeasts hehehe
>>98365322Wait a minute that looks like a 3rd head option for the tyrant
>>98365322I wish they had fun rules instead of just deepstriking. Give them a big name or guns
>>98365335? isn't it just this guy
>>98365374Low quality photo made me see things, but you're right
>>98365318>>98365320let's look at the bright side, with morga starting out as such an unlikable character the only way forward for her is up, her only possible (and fitting) character arc is for her to slowly learn all over again on her own skin all the lessons her father learned, and effectively become like her father much to her frustration/embarrassment
Bit odd we got crossbows as the BCR ranged weapon considering metal components I always liked the frostlord skull gutplate as a sort of inuit scarcity thing
>>98365465bows are too elegant for ogres, and they already had metal and crossbows anyway
>>98365454Globb is probably alive. I want to believe he was spirited away by Gnoblars and Morga and her children have lied. You wouldn't have to isolate and consolidate unless a rival existed. He'll get a model alongside a new Gnoblars kit.
>>98365474Aye but that's a WHF model? FEC got delusions in their model, BCR don't have the Everwinter. Just a bit of a missed opportunity. Bows are arguably less refined, technologically definitely but in battle it was more about a rate of fire than accuracy.
>>98365481>Globb is probably aliveThe lore is that Morga personally killed him and ate his brains, he's super dead.
>>98365481>You wouldn't have to isolate and consolidate unless a rival existed.you would have when the death of the previous ruler causes a power vacuum and ideological revolution that must be stabilised
>>98365494RIP I hope his Gnoblars revenge him still ;__;
>>98365489>Aye but that's a WHF model?the ogre hunter pity hero and the underworlds hunter also have metal and crossbows
>>98365519True enough. Shame, though
>>98365454I see two possible arcs for her. Either Redd becomes too politically powerful/zealous for her to stomach and she begins trying to undermine the religion she's the head of or maneaters make a reappearance and there's a split in ogor society between her and those who want to go back to the old ways
>literal who>character arc Her character arc is becoming a generic warscroll when TLW drops
>Meatfist behaving like BloodgulletSo now what's the difference?
>>98365552>Her character arc is becoming a generic warscroll when TLW dropsAre you dweebs still under the assumption GW would ever do a timeskip and generic-ify all the named characters that aren't immortal? You're out of your fuckin' mind.
>>98365552unfortunately we're stuck with all of the strong independent special women
>>98365465Feels like bows are too complex for ogres to handle. Crossbows are just point and shoot, and I assume rewinding isn't hard for thek considering their strength.>>98365552Leakers have said that so far every named character is still around, somehow. No fucking idea how they're going to pull that off while simultaneously doing a 1000 year timeskip though.
>>98365552She’s a powerful girlboss bro she will make it by eating time itself!
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>>98365581maybe the timeskip is not that dramatic, one century alone would be enough, provided the transition is traumatic enough
>>98365219I finally came up with a paint scheme I'm excited about and the rules are nice too.
>>98365595how would every human character survive that
>>98365581nah boole said tahlia was an exception alongside the gods, but did say Ogres are led by a female
>>98365600callis and toll are like 300 by now, it's in the water
>>98365610wut
>>98365613There is aging juice in ghyran.
>>98365604Tbf some of the early fantasy lore implied that Ogres were biologically immortal like lobsters so it could well be that, granted they later came on and said they actually just live natural lifespans of 2 centuries if not killed, but I feel AoS could easily go back to them just going on until they die violentally.
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>>98365625>>98365631I'll believe it when I see it. Like I find it more likely to have nothing realistically change from a timeskip than I do believe that anything is gonna be swapped to generic.
>>98365619In Chronicles of the Wanderer there's a huskard of the Winterbite who's been trudging in the Everwinter for about a thousand years.
>>98365600aqua ghyranis or deus ex machina, for example the lizards have been betting on the younger ven denst, they could perfectly spirit her away
Friendly reminder that nothing ever happens
>>98365685It would be funny if the younger ven denst lady drinks some, then goes bald and grows a mustache and adopts a daughter once the new edition hits.
>>98365552Magic or protection of the gods or whateverIt don't matterNone of it matters
>remove blackpowder >remove gnoblars I shouldn't be surprised that when they finally updated ogres they would continue the trend of flanderizing WHFB factions and just focus on "they're hungry boys." But it still hurts.
>>98365711they keep saying there's gnoblars in these kits but I'm not seeing them.
>>98363141>No moustache twirling or dramatic speech when they turn on the freeguild, it's just a simple 'nah'Destruction is so fun
>>98364146>but they're just standing on the dinosno they're not, they have chairs. they are just big wooden throne style chairs so they sit really high off the dinos back, just like the carnosaur before them.raptadon riders do actually stand though, they have no saddle (which also means you can build the dinos by themselves no rider at all if you just want a squad of feral raptors)
>>98365024>less than the damageits counterintuitive but rolling less than the damage basically means the more damage it deals, the easier it is to roll. so the harder your ice blast hits the enemy, the more likely they are to freeze from it. its a wonky dice roll but it actually makes sense if you think about it for a secondit should just be like an auto hit flamer style weapon though, a big ice breath type thing
>>98365717They're all in the big pot
>>98365743>its counterintuitive but rolling less than the damage basically means the more damage it deals, the easier it is to roll.That's not counterintuitive at all, it's obvious. Having a less than 50% chance of your ability working seems bad.
If they really do the TLW thing pretty sure the game is just gonna die.
>>98365772nah, it will actually be good for it
>>98365762its a little counterintuitive because you want to roll low, the lower the roll on the secondary effect the better, which is a bit goofy, you usually want high rolls for good effects, most people arent used to rolling a ice and looking for a 1 or 2 as a positive resultpersonally the effect is so mundane and the hit chance is 50/50 that i dont think a roll a dice to roll a dice situation was needed at all. maybe if it targeted every enemy unit in range or hit a big aoe, but its only a single target in a short range coming from a 300pt model. hoop after hoop after hoop. this design team has a bad tenency to get their heads too far up their asses with overly convoluted conditional nonsense
>>98365772If it's real we'll meme about it and move on, if it's not we'll meme about it and move on. Either way it'll be fine
>>98365711Chill out, gunpowder units coming next edition
>>98365805Ironblaster is fine too
>>98365678Forgetting that he was encased in ice? Still, possible the Everwinter might bless Morga with a freeze
>>98365717Just wait for the gnoblar focused second wave
>>98365838I could have a bunch capering around the cauldron if I wind up doing my greasus kitbash
>>98365832>Forgetting that he was encased in ice?I'm bringing up Sjarpa to make a point of ogor longevity. He was in the ballpark of a thousand years old when he froze.
>>98365600there aren't many mortal characters >the wizard snorts magic and lives longer or loses time wandering at the realmedge>the ven densts are protected by the lizards and put in a stasis chamber>the anvilgard guy gets captured by she-elves and put in a timeless torture cage>the brand gang falls into a warpportal while fighting rats & pops out in the futurethalia and the callis gang are the only ones who need a bigger asspull
>>98365838There's not going to be any gnoblar wave.
>>98364500Where leadbelchers
>>98365897I feel like Stormcasts just wouldn't make it, considering how long has the setting been going since 1st edition? A bunch of stormies are already beyond fucked.Destro gets fucked more than anyone else, I don't know how immortal orks and gobbo's are. (Like obviously you can asspull anything but I'm doing this more for the thought)
>>98365929Sorry I had orange as "immortal adjacent" and red as just "immortal"I'm not sure what the fuck stormcast or chaos fall into... Stormcast are "eternal" but also just kinda melt into ghosts or can just be straight murdered if someone has a magical murder weapon.
>>98365897>Erasmus ZonnCool mini but isn't this guy extremely racist.
>>98365956He just knows elves for what they are
>>98365929Skaven also have krittok foulblade; though great horned rat bullshit is always possible as an out
>>98365975Was gonna say named skaven tend to have ageless capabilities, though not directly immortal. It's kinda like cities since people keep mentioning magical immortal water.
I'm new to the game and wanted to start with Stormcast but they have a ton of kits to choose from, a lot of which look the same. Is a lot of their shit expected to be squatted at some point? Would picking up their spearhead or the skaventide half + the new stuff like Iridan / Tornus be a safe bet?
>>98364670>>98364696I remember sitting in GW in the late 90's pouring over the cover of the new Sisters of Battle codex, I stared at that bit of art for at least half an hour and never stopped finding amazing new tiny details in the background.>>98364747"Vague shit" that still has shape and form that conveys identity - eagles, treemen, wizard floating on a column of power, ranks of infantry and cavalry, all lost in haze backlit by the sun as they churn up the dust of the earth - is not the same thing as utterly formless smudges and squiggles in the same colours as the main image, you disingenuous poof.
>>98365998Anything slimcast is safe, anything fat cast is dubious.NOW ANON, if you happen to need an ionus and some drakeriders or other stormies... I might be able to hook you up.
>>98365998if you look at the army you'll sometimes see a difference in proportion, referred to in the community as fatcast (the old proportions) vs slimcast (the new proportions)stick to slimcast and you should be fine. that said stormcast stats are all pretty similar so if theres a particular oldcast kit you like you should have no trouble just running it as another similar unit. the whole army is kind of just "big guy with plate armor and a shield"as far as what to play and start with, stormcast have a couple builds but they usually prefer herohammer and more elite small units, often their dragon riders, big dragons, and other large base size characters are staples and you can find multiple different ones in a lot of army listsif you get skaventide half, that will give you a good chunk of models for cheap. you can also pick up a dominion half for cheap or just yndrasta since she pairs well with prosecutors from skaventideiridian and tornus have really cool models but unfortunately very lukewarm rules. i would start with ionus from your pic, or one of the dragon brothers as your big centerpiece, all 3 are good. there is also a stormcast """horde""" build that runs multiple massive units of vanquishers (greatsword basic troop) and vigilors for a more boots on the ground army. but i think ionus from your picture and some stormdrake guard along with a skaventide half would probably be the most straightforward and cohesive start for youpic related is an example of fatcast vs slimcast so you can start to differentiate them. most of the vanguard units are also fatcast despite still being sold. i would expect all the fatcast to leave within the next edition or so. spearhead and all the new stuff should be safe
>>98366054Still shocks me how both the far-left and far-right look great in their own way, but the center one is just awful. And it's probably all in the helmet.
>>98365998Anything 3rd edition and later (slimcast) is fine, the remaining 1st edition stuff is sketchier. They'll probably just refresh them for 5th edition instead of outright squat them like the 2nd edition guys, but better safe than sorry.However like the other guy said most stormcast models are pretty interchangeable, if there's some sculpts you really like from 1st you can pick them up and even IF they get squatted there's probably a pretty easy proxy out there. Just don't base your whole army around 1st edition sculpts if you wanna stay safe Also stay away from the celestant prime there's no fucking way that dude is making it to 5th
Would you guys say Stormcast eternals are evil?
>>98366145they could be.
>>98366150But would you say they are on par with space marines as evil/morally dubious
>>98366151on an individual level? They could be but for the most part no. As a whole? absolutely not.
>>98366162I'm having an argument with someone so help me out here, they're saying Stormcast are evil because they're brainwashed and forcefully converted from other relgions to serve sigmar against their will and they don't have a choice. He's calling it "electro conversion therapy"
>>98366188Stormcast arent immune to being suggested by sigmars influence but they do still have the ability to disagree with him. I guess once they start dying a couple of times they do start being less morally grey and more automata.
>>98366204I dunno it's a weird thing where I don't think they're inherently evil since the whole shtick with being a stormcast is it burns any literal essence of evil out of you. And you can only be stormcast if you have some level of faith in you that you can be redeemed.
>>98366188How would that make them evil? Does he mean the process of stormcasting is evil? He'd have a better case arguing that, though still not a very good one.
>>98365805Idk about that. Why would they squat leadbelchers now and not next ed when they release their replacement? Because the hunters are meant to be the new ranged infantry. They probably kept the iron blaster/scraplauncher because they plan to release a new war machine more in line with the current army vision. Maybe some random beast with a bolt thrower on its back.
So, how are Ogors from gameplay point of view? Dumbed down to someone who never played AOS, but thinking about trying it. How big (costly) their army is, what's their playstyle and how effective or ineffective they are?Initially I was thinking about NH, but last time a checked their playstyle was a long time ago and apparently all of that changed drastically in this edition. It was especially funny watching a streamer (with a faction player) describing the new NH book - they, probably couldn't give their honest opinion, so there was a lot of mismatch in their verbal and non-verbal communication. Like "I am really excited to try this out" said with the face of a someone who died inside after reading these rules, or "so much fun" with the face that shows anything BUT fun. And that's understandable, I guess, when faction not just nerfed, but made in something completely different playstyle-wise. Anyway, NH are out for me, maybe next edition I'll look into them again.
>>98366247>Idk about that. Why would they squat leadbelchers now and not next ed when they release their replacement?Because the leadbelcher kit is just the basic glutton one with an extra sprue thrown in. Can't keep em around if you wanna refresh gluttons (and ironguts)Maneaters, meanwhile, have been set up as the gunpowder-tolerant arm of the faction, with a new character who looks more like a leadbelcher than a maneater. Rumourmongers have also implied a new maneater unit is coming later down the line (maybe EoE but more likely 5th). It stands to reason that they will follow the design cues of the new character, at least to some extent.
>>98366248We have the rules but right now it's speculation until games happen.BUT from what I've read they seem like - Pros: Hit like trucks, decent mobility, BIG HP, decent variety of unitsCons: Hit on 4's, saves are pretty garbo outside of a few buffs, very elite army so you'll have less units. (that can be a pro if you like dollar to point ratio)The gameplan seems like you walk up and hit the guys and hope you don't get outpaced or the enemy has mega heavy anti infantry.Also as a guy with a NH army, NH fucking blow right now. Even if the units are fine they've lost all flavor and are boring as fuck.
>>98366248move forward, hit with hammerthey are that easy. the most unga bunga turn your brain off army in the game and its not close. every guy has big damage, a lot of health, and not much else. the new book has slightly more for the magic department of the army but it is still fundamentally just a wall of big guys with big weapons hitting things. the army does what it says on the tin and its not ambiguous about iteffectivelynes varies patch to patch but they are usually middle of the road. enough of a stat check to never be truly at the bottom, but not enough tricks to ever be obscenely brokennighthaunt have a long and storied history of extremely convoluted rules or having their army subverted by staple on patches like the old infamous legions of nagash FAQ
>>98362449most attractive ogre female btw.
>>98362476kairics are good because all other warhammer game variants treat followers of tzeentch as nerd wizards instead of fucked up spawn.
>>98366353I think that's a guy
>>98366358kairics aren't fucked up spawns either
>>98366317>>98366335Thank you. Yeah, with the dollar-to-points ratio, having fewer units is actually a plus for me. And the Ogors' playstyle sounds really appealing.Do you think the new Army Set would be a good starting point? Or would I be too limited if I only used the new sculpts? From what I've seen, the old and new sculpts don't really blend well together. And it'll probably take a long time before enough new miniatures are released to build a full army using only the new range?
>>98366409>Do you think the new Army Set would be a good starting point?Unironically probably the best starting set for an army (because it's basically just the old vanguard minus the cannon)You got about 1k points of models so literally half your army, reinforced block of your most basic foot guys, foot hero, defense squad for foot hero, and some cav. Gives you room to grow and decide where you wanna move out from.
>>98366405they're buff and have melee weapons instead of feeble ranged weapons or just being wizards which is what matters. The reeeing at the mention of rubric marines with power khopeshes has held thousand sons back from being anything more than a two note tzaangors and dust guys army.
>>98366437>they're buff and have melee weapons just like any other tzeentch cultist unit before them
>>98366421Yeah, it's probably going to be pretty expensive but in terms of points you get a good amount for your money.Then you can decided what you want to do with the other half of your points; fot example if we get that mawseeker spearhead in box form I reckon that + reddit will basically get your 2k points. Or you could go into beastclaw; get more ironguts and gluttons; get a mounted tyrant instead, ... whatever you want. Only really missing the potential maneater gunpowder stuff and firebellies
>>98366471firebelly* Honestly if a firebelly comes back I'd expect it as an underworlds warband. Though it's been a bit since GW has done the "1 big guy, a bunch of little shitters" warbands.
>>98366317>>98366335I disagree ogres are a stat check army. Everything outside the bulls is pretty fragile for the points and the bulls have a mid save at best. Only Redd has a good wheel out of all the characters. They do hit hard but you absolutely need your +1 to hit modifier to not whiff so wizards (for your unlimited spell) or the hunter (for shooting builds) are absolutely necessary. The advantage of high wound counts on individual models is you get chunked less by chip damage, but no damage-dealing unit in the game is going to worry about clearing 12 wounds on a 4+ or worse save for stuff like your ironguts or cleavers.
>>98366409nothing in that army set is redundant so if you wanted to you could even buy it twice if you get it for a good price. the book might kill the savings on a second box unless you resell the extra tome on ebay or something by itself.
>>983665682 foot tyrants 20 bulls 6 ironguts and 4 lizard dog cavalry is going to be an awful army anon. Do not buy the box twice.
>>98366590I MEAN, would it be...? Yeah some ranged stuff and a wizard wouldn't be that bad.
>>98366590lol no it would not be at all.bulls are massive troops with tons of health and damage, ironguts give you a hard hitting small footprint 4+5+++ with the tyrants who are now desirable in 2s with how big names got reworked, and the new dog cav are very goodthat would definitely be a playable army and probably pretty good with 1 or 2 addons in the support department. its a very solid meat and potatoes collection to start
>>98366590>2 foot tyrantsHonestly wouldn’t be that >20 bulls I don’t think that’s an unhealthy amount to have >6 ironguts I think some math needs to be run on them but they might kinda suck, yeah. >4 lizard dogHonestly not bad for either option.
>>98363296they've been bred for height?
>>98366637You are either fucking retarded or a literal paid games workshop shill. You want MAYBE 1 Tyrant for Neck-Wringer as a flex pick, you definitely do not want a second Tyrant at all. You probably aren’t running Ironguts or the cavalry at all until they come down in price. You NEED a wizard in this army.One army box is fine. 2 is a huge waste. But the stuff you’re actually going to play instead.
>>98366188>sigmar giving his soldiers gay conversion therapythat's amazing. stormcast are forcibly enslaved and sort of brainwashed, but they're hardly evil. There's no major infighting like with the imperium and they generally get sent to protect civilians and work as the vanguard of a mostly CoS force. AoS is way less "grimdark" than 40k and Stormcast don't have much moral greyness to them. If the writers wanted to turn the cities into the imperium as a dictatorship where the super soldiers stomp out dissent then they could, but it really doesn't read that way currently.
>>98363296>skinnier but healthier lookingIt makes sense that a guy who gets fed a fixed diet of nutritional military rations is taller than the guy who just eats whatever he comes across.
>>98366693Say, if I'll buy the Set (one ofc, not two), what would be essential to buy later? After I'll assemble the set
>>98366667I mean we've selectively bred practically everything around us so I doubt ogors would be an exception
>>98366901You’ll already have a spearhead set so it’s playable from the get go. Just play with that and if you really like it you can get another spearhead relatively soon with the new mawseekers and butcher and you can juggle between the two. By the time you’re done painting/playing/ with both of those the meta will be settled and there will be a much more better consensus of the feel of the faction.
>>98366921That sounds really reasonable. Thanks
>>98366247>Why would they squat leadbelchers now and not next ed when they release their replacement?They temporarily squatted night runners and gutter runners before remaking them, mind.
so is this going to be the actual Spearhaed box for Ogors?
>>98367562Yeah, I'm thinking the Army set will only be technically a spearhead, in that it'll have rules to be playable as such, but the official spearhead will be this one.
Ogor Army Set was sold out on Wargame Portal in under 4 minutes. Are Ogor actually that popular?
>>98367604The models are extremely cool and it's 1,000 points.
>>98367614The cynic in me says it's getting scooped up by resellers, like seemingly everything else nowadays.
>>98367635Wargame Portal has a limit of 1 box per customer so it's unlikely that it was just resellers. Still, that's either really fast or there aren't a lot of these boxes. For reference, Wargame Portal was still selling preorders for the new 40k Battleforce boxes for at least a week after they went live. Stock didn't seem to run out for anything besides the Chaos one.
>>98367614Is anyone else not super happy with the new ogors? Like I'm glad they got an update but I don't like some of the design choices they went with
>>98367562thats pretty decent except the butcher but that can change in the new edition
>>98367964If I only have one complaint it’s that they kept the same weapon design the old models have that I never liked at all. Stone maces and their version of two handed cleavers just aren’t cool. I do also kinda wish they were more magical though.
>>98367976Really? That was about the one thing I liked lol. I don't like the new gutplates. It looks more like regular armor rather than gutplates. This was especially true on the ironguts. I don't like the blobiness of some of the new units but I think it fits the butchers so idk. I have more but ultimately I hope the people who like them enjoy the model range
>>98367562Probably
>>98366901I think you definitely want a butcher. The bloodpelt hunter looks good if you want to go shooting heavy and I think shooting looks decent in the army, but it isn’t featured in the army set. Units like the cleavers are trickier: they do a ton of damage, something like 30 rend -2 damage if you get buffs on them, but they’re also very fragile. This could turn out to be an army where you clog up the board with bulls and trade smaller hammer units.>>98366921 is solid advice. I think Redd will be played a lot, but you have enough to be going on with if you just get that and can see what people trend towards.
>>98367964I have a few nitpicks like how Redd should look far more grotesque but overall I like them. Between the maneaters/whatever the replacement leadbelcher unit is and the yeti hints the eventual second wave should have some good stuff too
>>98367964There's stuff I like and stuff I don't like (e.g. the helmets or all mounts being bald now) but overall the former far outweigh the latter (to me personally).
>>98367694Wargame Portal sold out of the Helsmiths launch box within minutes but you could still find it elsewhere for months. GW probably isn't sending much stock to individual stores for these boxes and Wargame Portal is one of the best known discount sites for the US.>>98367964I play ogors and I prefer the old models. Not a fan of the more realistic proportions and sad about some of the choices for cuts (leadbelchers.) Also not a huge fan of femogors but they don't bother me as much as the female chorfs (except for the minor fact that those were optional.) Don't see myself buying any of the models anytime soon. I don't want to update my guys and the new units won't fit in with my current army.
>>98367976Luckily ogres aren't exactly known for their craftsmanship so anons' greenstuff work is probably on par with ogres' smithing skill and, being a low unit count army, it might be feasible to make many of their weapons yourself.
>>98368086GW did another run of the helsmith box, it was sold out within 5 minutes on their own site too
>>98367562Gorgers exclusive to a spearhead.God I hate this fucking trend I'll have to stock up on Flameseekers now before the inevitable Spearhead restriction
>>98366145Yes.
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>>98368142>pride flaguh oh
Oh right Destruction doesn't have its own unit of sightseers like the Brands and the Blacktalons. So here's Callis and Toll meeting up with Grell.
>>98368220Really sick of how forced these guys are. They're not even suitable because the reboot branded them as Hammerhal back alley detectives more than realm trotters.
>>98368220They have ogor friends back in CoS, they can say it
>>98368153someone in this small nation might be gay everyone must be pushed
Individual mawtribes may encompass all the subcultures. So the Meatfist mawtribe has clans of Gutbusters, Mawseekers, and Beastclaw in it.
The yhetee king mentioned the other day was named Charngar the Devourer and is apparently long dead.
>>98368306can't have shit in ghur
>Ogors are not a sentimental breed, especially the cold-souled Beastclaw. Even so, Maulbeast Raiders spend so long traversing the uncaring wilds alongside their mounts that something of a bond develops. Should a Maulbeast be slain, the rider will consume most of it, but its skull will be set on a high rock daubed with glyphs to watch over the prey-grounds they once roamed. Should their alfrostun pass by in [the] future, the ogor is likely to leave scraps at the foot of this grave marker to honour the spirit of their fallen fellow hunter.I like it.
>>98368306Could be a Brodd situation where another rises tbf
>>98368306>highest mountain in the realmswasn't that the beastgrave?
>>98368233how does that work with the everwinter?
>>98368320Brodd didn't die
>>98368337hurr hurr hurr Behemat died. Brodd is growing to replace him. A Yhetee may grow to replace the fallen king.
>>98368233>>98368329Guy on a Stonehorn rolls up to your town, fucks the local girl and then quickly dips blabering something about a blizzard.Fatherless kid idealizes the lone rider and rides beasts too, but isn't actually part of the curse
>>98368325No, that was never the case.
>>98368338Behemat wasn't a gargant though, he was a supernatural godbeast
>>98368329Boulderhead, Winterbite and so on are dominated by Beastclaw clans but also include Gutbusters.
>>98368337>t.
>>98368325Beastgraves gimick was that it ate people, not that it was big
>>98368341>>98368352>all-peak>height of heights>the only mountain visible from any point of ghursurely I didn't dream it
>>98368359I don't remember any of this
>>98368340>but isn't actually part of the curseso they're not beastclaw riders, just riders
>Leave thinlings to worry about "purpose". We always knew ours.
>>98368379>it's what he wants from us >the hungry god>old guk-ma-guk
We got a Saturn Devouring His Son scribble
>>98368405soulful
>>98368343GW wrote what they wrote
Kosargi mentioned
>>98368329>>98368340Nah, the Everwinter is a hereditary curse not one based on proximity to a single cursed individual otherwise it'd just end. The Everwinter got retconned in third to be weaker and I'm sure it's weaker nowThe Grombrindal novel has Ogors wanting to hide in a lodge from it like it's a seasonal thing. GW don't give a shit, it's just a magic thing some Ogors use now.
>>98368431The island of Kos, or some say Kosm
>>98368442kek
Looks like we are in for easy conversionsHelmets are optional for heads, gutplates aren't attached.Maulbeasts are riderless as well.
>>98368451Ironguts are so disappointing
>>98368433>The Grombrindal novel has Ogors wanting to hide in a lodge from it like it's a seasonal thing.Mainly they wanted to thaw out their old frostlord. The huskard leading them had already been there once and knew that the winter wouldn't pass them over.
>>98368306I do hope this opens the door to yhetees returning
How come I've seen more excerpts of the new Ogor fluff in the past couple hours than I've seen for new CoS and HoS battletome fluff put together in the past couple months? Is this where the audience is?
>>98368379@grok-ma-gok is this true?>>98368431>visions, echoes maybe, of a cosmic force still yearning to eat creationAm I correct in assuming this is just the maw, disembodied into becoming a sort of cosmic hunger god? Neat that they're moving away from the gorkamorka meme, never liked that for ogres.
>>98368498Mawtribes wave 2 will be Walrus riders, Yhetees, and Silent People mercenaries
>>98368379Grokmagok sounds like Gorkamorka
>>98368431GW is still shying away from shedding any light on the maw, but at this point the speculations have become more interesting than the mystery, unlike other cases like this
>>98368525Refer to >>98368405>‘Grell tried to explain it, but I still can’t fully track her beliefs. Everyone knows that the ogors’ Gulping God and Gorkamorka are one and the same, even if the ogors depict him as a massive set of jaws rather than the usual huge orruk. I also know that ogors can easily take to worshipping anything big, impressive and natural. Toll called it a kind of animism; they'll accept volcanoes as gods, or moving mountains or ice storms – not to mention the godbeasts in their clan histories. What puzzled me was how Grell said that all of those were still the same power at their heart. Instead of just two heads, like how orruks describe Gorkamorka, the ogors’ god might as well have a million. Worshipping a deity in different forms isn’t new, obviously. The Edassan folk believe the God-King has the face of a lion, and Nagash cults who have a new, inoffensive title for Old Bones crop up each Hyshrise. But for ogors, there’s no contradiction. The Gulping God is the Gulping God, but his spirit is also the spirit of everything else worthy of worship in the realms, even when the myths speak of him directly fighting with them. Maybe we’re not meant to understand. Or maybe Gorkamorka’s essence is one universal truth, and the Gulping God is a form they understand best. And that’s assuming ogors really know what they're worshipping – or pay any mind to it at all.’
>>98368405That’s some good art
>>98368604I'm begining to like Reddit
>>98368233so morga is already open to revaluing her dad's ideas eventually, following >>98365454>>98368604it would be real fucking funny if the crux's of the ogre faith was built on denial and copes over the undeniable fact that they have no purpose because the old ones left them unfinished
>>98362449How much of the old ogre range is confirmed to be going oop? Doesn't seem like they plan to move them to tow anytime soon if ever.
>>98368614All the shit that loses rule support in 2027
>>98368613>the maw is a parasitic entity preying on the ogre's desire for purpose and completeness, while providing none, just fueling itself through them>the good ending for ogres is to separate themselves from the maw and complete, or at least compensate, what the old ones left unfinished by finding their twin souls, the halflings
>>98368614everything made during fantasy except for the thundertusk/stonehorn and the ironblaster/scraplauncher
>>98368233This has been the case since their second edition tome.
>>98368273>entirely unfazed by the explosionGood lass (lad?)
>>98368613>so morga is already open to revaluing her dad's ideasThe book repeats that Morga herself doesn't care about religion, she's just happy to exploit the religious fervor stoked by Redd and the Mawseekers.
>>98368522This is a destruction general
>>98368613https://youtu.be/olL716SfcBo?si=S1YvVmHxUd-O6UbEThat would be a very warhammer fate
>>98368613>>98368623>they eat because they feel the inner void that needs completeness>they easily follow chaos/mercs/orcs because they seek something to follow and fit in
A couple tidbits that elaborate on Morga's appearance>her club is the authentic Meatfist Masher once wielded by Graw Meatfist, the mawtribe's first overtyrant, in the Gulping God's first crusade of consumption>the symbolism is invoked further by the choice to ride a glutthorn, as Graw was said to have taken one as his mount in his later yearsSo she's outfitted for propaganda purposes.
>>98368306I want the tard tetrarchy now
>>98368664>>her club is the authentic Meatfist Masher once wielded by Graw Meatfisthow can they tell? it's identical to any other random ogre mace
>>98368690How can you tell the priceless relic is wood from Jesus's cross and not a random plank?
>>98368613>>98368623KinoI might be misremembering but wasn't there a sneaky little passage somewhere in the helsmith tome (or the preceding articles) which implied "Hashut" might not necessarily be the same one running around during the age of myth?Parasitic deities have been very present in aos after all
>>98368699usually by the extremely decorated reliquary around it
>>98368703Well this one is wielded by an overtyrant on a rhino. So how's that different from a gilded tin can?
>>98368702That's very unlikely to be taken into consideration if it's actually suggested anywhere, everyone, including people who have all interests in the world to deny any connection between hashut and them, like the good dwarfs and the other dwarf gods/demigods, still very much talk about hashut as if there's no doubt it's hashut
>>98368707You would have a point if morga was the only one riding a rhino while wielding a mace.Ideally the mace would have some visible gimmick at the very least.
New art. Are the maulbeasts drawn with fur? I can't really tell. And good lawd the things in the back are big, I mean they have howdahs on them that look spacious even for ogors.
I am a TOW chud and I am looking into AoS because of the Ogor refresh. While the named characters look lame I think the rest of the range refresh looks amazing and I used to play Ogre Kingdoms back as a teen.Is the army set a good deal if I can get it at $168 USD? I am reading it's about 1000 points, are normal AOS games played at 2000 points? What are some resources to look into how the game actually plays turn to turn as well, I have no idea other than it being described at Fantasy 40k, but I don't like 40k currently with the stratagems and scoring objectives each turn focus. Would I potentially like AoS? And where most importantly can I learn more about how granular it is? Thanks in advance.
>>98368713They wouldn't necessarily know "hashut" is an imposter, would they? It's not like they've interacted since he first got shattered.>>98368725Looks like it. Also, what the FUCK is that animal behind them?
>>98368676>>98368725Beastclaw Nu-Beasts are covered in dark furr.Onky defaults are bald.
>>98368730only get the army box if you also want the book, a spearhead boxset with very similar contents will end up getting released not long after
>>98368730>168 USDHow the fuck did you manage that, this shit is $255 usd straight from gw. If you can get it for 168 yes absolutely 100%, that's a steal. It's a great box, half an army as AoS proper is indeed played at 2k points generally. It also contains a spearhead, so you can play it in that gamemode straight out of the box.The box is actually pretty bad at msrp since it's only just barely a discount if you don't count the tome, which many people don't care about. But at the price you mentioned it's great, it's got everything you would want to start an ogre army, and it's a good base to build on if you want to go into more specific directions later (mawseekers, beastclaw, ...). We only just got the rules and points so we're not exactly 100% sure how good everything is but every unit looks playable at the very least.How's the local spearhead/aos scene in your area? That's probably the most important thing to know.
>>98368747Boole vindicated once again
>>98368747>Maneater >Mercenary work>all sorts of paymasters >"I'm just looking fer a payday." - GrellNo RoR. Not the first post refresh Mercenary RoR. What were they thinking?
>>98368734>They wouldn't necessarily know "hashut" is an imposter, would they?One of grombrindal's deal is knowing things, if he thinks it's the same being, it's the same being.
any leaks explaining why tyrants can be built as BCR and why they lack BCR keywords?
>>98368592>they'll accept volcanoes as godsBUT YOU TOOK THE FIREBELLY OUT OF THE BOOK YOU SONS OF GNOBLARS
>>98368744At $168 it should still be a better deal considering you get an extra unit of gluttons in the box.Also, I wouldn't be so sure that the upcoming spearhead box will be the one contained in the army set. I have a feeling it'll be picrel.>>98368757Not really, he said her entire right half would be rebuilt as a cannon which is clearly not the case here. The earlier post above of Redd's contact with the divine was something that boole apparently got straight from the tome though.
>>98368767it's not actually a BCR build
>>98368770>Not reallyYes really, he mentioned the connection with talhia and she's got a prosthetic holding the cannon, you're just hung up on how extensive the prosthetic was to be in your head.
>>98368767A BCR tyrant warscroll is a thing they could have added through Scourge of Aqshy, too bad they didn't.
>>98368770it's understandable he'd be confused. Firefist, lost her hand, and the pic
>>98368771yeah but why? I'm wondering if fluff explains why he's larping
>>98368778Comes to think of it, that's a genius pipeline for sales>introduce character profile you have to convert >make it op so people actually get to convert and use one>later release an official version that's got a slightly different equipment and in any case looks better than people's conversions>people feel obligated to buy it because now there's an official/better model for the op unit they already use>later nerf it they could make so much more money out of their pity heroes by telegraphing them a tiny bit via "season-of-X" warscrolls
>>98368795God forbid an ogre has a taste for the fashionable and comfortable in addition to the one for meat
>>98368725>when real animals are more fantastical than the fantasy setting's
>>98368753>How the fuck did you manage thatI live in Poland, you can get stuff cheaper here if you know who to buy from
>>98368774>you're just hung up on how extensive the prosthetic was to be in your head.No matter how you slice it, a prosthetic hook is not the same as having "your entire right half rebuilt into an artillery piece". Boole oversold here, it happens. I agree that he probably had access to the tome though.
>>98368812Oh, like that. Still, 168 usd is like ~150 yuros right? That's still a pretty hefty discount. My usual online retailers have it at 175, which is a 15% discount on the €206 msrp GW asks. Or well I guess "had" since I just noticed it sold out
>>98368807Life is always going to be stranger than fiction, because fiction has to be convincing, and life doesn'tAnyway I preordered the Army Box. Now it's time to search for painting tutorials on Ogor skin and purchase some paints I'm missing, since the only skin I ever painted was the best skin (the green skin)
>>98368725BCR bros we will eat good next edition
>>98368838Speaking of paint schemes, did anyone happen to save the edit an anon here made of one of the new ogres with red skin? It was not long after the reveal show I think, in relation to Oni's
>>98368725Yeah, someone posted it from loremasters a few days ago Really weird
>>98368874Get in line, I'm supposed to get my wave 2 first
What’s the odds of there being a Ogor “free mini of the month”? I want to try the mini out before buying them
>>98368725anyone buying Stonehorns/Thundertusks is a suckerI'm waiting for the TOW mammoth to convert because I know those old models are leaving
>>98368879Nvm guys I'm retarded it took 30 secs of looking at the archives once I remembered the "oni" part
>>98368736We've seen the sprue. They're bald
>>98368894That red is rad! What paints could be used for such effect?
>>98368725Might be titanoxes? They get named a couple times as especially impressive kills to ogors.
>>98368891They're sticking around for a while longer. There are plenty mawtribe warscrolls that are listed as going to legends in 2027, but those ones are not.
>>98368686My HEROES
>>98368887I don't they they do free minis that big
>>98368725CADslop can't do fur well
>>98368947then why did it do fur well here?
>>98368887Basically 0. Lately all the minis of the month have been repeats, there was a rumour that they were scrapping the thing and possibly replacing it with some other systemBesides, I don't think they'd do a free mini that big
>>98368969it's pretty fucking weird they would do unique sprues for the minis of the month, but not unique sculpts
>>98368947Didn't stop the ironblaster/scraplauncher nor thundertusk/stonehorn
>>98368922They're clearly getting refreshed or squatted eventually
>>98369012Everything is getting refreshed or squatted eventuallyIs there any indication that this will happen in the near future though?
>>98369012that eventuality is 6 or 9 more years away at the earliest
>>98368992Those weren’t done well
>>98368947Plastic injection moulding not CAD nor 3d printing, retard. Learn the difference
>>98369021>>98369022How'd that work out for CoS? Pretty sure the leftovers all got squatted within a year?
>>98369028>Plastic injection moulding nor 3d printingwhy would you think those would be the limiting factor in the sculpting of good fur?
>>98369032CoS is a new faction replacing a placeholder trashbin, ogres are a range refresh, only the parts that need a refresh get refreshed or flushed away, while the parts that don't need a refresh don't get one, the stonehorn doesn't need one, it doesn't get one
>>98368753>how’s the local sceneLooks like they have an AoS tournament every month, and one night a week dedicated to casual games. I’m really looking for a good source to see how the game plays so I can see if I’ll actually enjoy the ruleset. I’m used to grainier games but I don’t actually know how AoS plays in detail. Currently I play TOW, Bolt Action and MESBG
>>98369033Google how they work. You can't have undercuts unless you split the part. Most GW fur isn't made from more than one part, so it always looks flat.
>>98369062And I guess in your mind this fur >>98368965, or pic related, was magicked onto the model by gnomes from the easter island instead of being cad sculpted and then injection moulded, or 3d printed for the prototype model.
>>98368664Gluthorn should’ve been a rhinox or just a massive mournfang
>>98369077I don't think that fur has any overhangs though, at least not in the parts that are made out of a single sprue component
>>98369105point is that gw can do good fur, cad sculpted and injection moulded, it just didn't for the new ogre mounts because they are fucking hacks
>>98368086My problem with the fem ogors is that the design of all of the ogors changed to get them in. The gut plates stretch up to the collar almost because it makes it easier to make female ogor models
>>98368891>I'm waiting for the TOW mammothlol
>>98369077this is such a great model.
>>98369158boole leaked it friend
>>98369077Still looks rather terrible with those artificially raised strands (that can only get bigger the closer they are to the part of a sprue)It's just an objective fact, man. Your feelings doesn't change how the machines work. CAD isn't the problem, it's PIM and GW being lazy.
>>98369199no, he didn't
>>98369212>it's bad because it looks flat!>no actually it's bad because it's raised!bald maulbeasts look worse than if they had that texture
Here’s hoping for more floral imagery for whatever sylvaneth gets in 5th.
>>98369236Nta, but he did. Oddly, it was more in the context of AoS. Maybe it's a result of wires getting crossed an him confusing tow stuff for aos, or maybe the rumoured 5th edition StD stuff comes with a lot of monsters!I'd be funny as fuck if we do get a mammoth kit for darkoath though
>>98369313There is nothing here that is on track with the previous conversation.
>>98369328>I'm waiting for the tow mammoth>lol>boole leaked it>no he didn'tLet's not be pedantic
>>98369253flat as in not layered but sure. It doesn't look like real fur and I'd prefer something that didn't look like a cheap Chinese toy?
So who on here preordered the fat fucks?
>>98369313If specifically Darkoath got the mammoth we would see a category 5 shitpost typhoon here with how fucking mad some people would be.
>>98368753You'd be suprised man, maybe not that cheap but I'm gonna see if I can skeef it for 190ish-200.I managed to do that with the deathrattle box awhile back, sometimes deals just happen when you look for em.
>>98369309Only if it's part of a giant praying mantis model.
>>98369419unlikely, any model for aos gets easily taken by towfags for conversion projects and they already have a predisposition for houserules and for being opposed to xboxhueg forge-world tier titanic models as normal unitsyou'll get more people pissed off at undivided chaos in aos feeling underexplored because they lost all their previous units and clearly aren't getting enough to make up for them
>>98369377I’m tempted to, seeing the sprues has made me want them even more but im not buying any personal leisure’s until I can do something about this damn unemployment. Not in a hurry though (for the box that is) cause my LGs said they were ordering at least 50 of the boxes without even takin initial forwarded preorders they received into account.
>>98369419>darkoath wave 2-mammoth centrepiece-giant sabretooth 3 man cavalry unit-chief/shaman on terror bird -ranged skirmishers-elite berzerker infantry+just a full resculpt of marauders to look more like the underworlds warbandI will be there
>>98369464>I will be therethis wave won't be
>>98369487Well, obviously, but let a man dream
>>98369519NO!You won't get your battlecats, you-man, and I will revel in this!
>>98362503I really shouldn't let myself get baited by a comment in an archived thread from a day and a half ago, but just for the record both chaos knights and mounted marauders are core
>>98369657knights were not a core unit in 7th and 8th
>>98368522The sons of bitches memoryholed Tempest's Eye. (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ
>>98369313>>98369419Highly unlikely considering he also leaked warriors,knights, a chaos dragon, chaos bsb on foot and daemonic mount lord in the same post as all this other stuff. It's almost certainly all TOW stuff, unless 100% of what was in the last Chaos reveal for TOW is also being redone for AoS, which strikes me as unlikely.
>>98369313A mammoth would fit norsca rather than Darkoath imo This is clearly a "we don't see AoS art of such and such because they're scheduled for TOW". The fact he didn't say new kits doesn't outrule reissuing the fw 500lbs of resin though
>>98369464Squat Darkoath and start again with Untamed Beasts
>>98368522There was quite a bit of discussion about CoS when their tome came out, I had a nice time chatting about those gargant faithful who try and squeeze into the pews in sigmarite churches
Writing ogre lists is actually pretty hard when your cheapest unit is 160 points.
>>98369747>>98369802Yeah, that's why I found it odd too. That's a lot of big kits for probably tow's most sated faction though, especially considering that for example the manticore is very recent all things considered, 7th or 8th edition. Like you'd think they'd give idk high elves or o&g some shit first instead of giving chaos warriors yet another set of shiny new toys.>>98369852They should've added some pricey artefacts or mount traits or something. I know there's some, but they're all 10 points. Make your tyrant get a sabretusk pet for 40 points or whatever, to smooth out listbuilding a bit.
>>98368898I mean in lore
>>98369875Every list I write has around 300pts left at the end that is just awkward to fill.
>>98369919Isn't 300 enough to reinforce a unit?
>Pre Ordered the Army Set in time>It sold out within 40 minutesWhat the fuck? I don't even think the Iron Warriors or Defilers sold out that fast.
>>98370091>>98370091>>98370091
>>98368676how do you paint anything with those subhuman thumbs?
