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>halp i think i overworked the net spider translating all of last thread

>>98367903
>tq:
Tremere: Black and Blue, obviously

>TQ
Actually kind of interesting, Wraith would probably be black and white because of all the dead people slavery.
>>98367898
>>98367902
Truly a harrowing thought. Fun thread though, but I don't expect it to happen again.

>>98367910
>Truly a harrowing thought.
I-if other anons post theirs, I'll post mine...

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>even when playing a harry potter cyoa, I must be a mastigos or an acanthus

>>98367917
Nah, I'm not even actively a kinky weird but between taking the test, saving it, and posting it I'd kill myself out of embarrassment.

>>98367903
if other splats are allowed then my last character was a slayer demon who would be black/white deathtouch for the whole "i touch you and your soul leaves your body" power

>>98367909
Yeah but that is your gimmick? flying gargoyle tokens? draining the other players mana (generation)?

>>98367945
Dunno. I've never played mtg. All my knowledge of it came by osmosis from this place.

Was Matt McFarland perhaps innocent all along?

Found the quote saying Potence is half-telekinesis
>Ghouls are rather more at a disadvantage where these powers are concerned -- though each ghoul has an instinctive grasp of the half-physical, half telekinetic focus for superhuman strength.
>-Ghouls: Fatal Addiction page 17
Which checks out with their higher levels including stuff like blasting people with finger guns.

Was Don Quixote a CtD-style Troll?

>>98367957
No.

>>98367963
Air pressure bullets > finger guns IMO

>>98367963
oh that's cool

>>98367963
>the lasombra are sorta right about how potence works and the brujah are 100% wrong
can't say i am suprised

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>wake up
>watch the new HtP
That's it?!
That's the fucking episode?!
Nothing fucking happened! This wasn't just generic filler, it was filler that didn't even reveal anything we didn't already know.
Never trust swedes to do anything for fuck's sake!

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This is how you kill Gaia's strongest soldier.

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>>98368011
>Nothing fucking happened!
Fucking amateur. Start watching From.

>>98368011
grimal basically outed herself as the ghoul, but this was a character episode.

>>98368025
Her healing suspiciously fast is the thing that confirmed it for me. Can't wait for another 30 audio logs before they officially spell it out for the peanut gallery.

>>98368031
she also left a suspiciously long gap when talking about the heat was off her...so she could rip on the woof.

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Ok so I know vampire now, lots and lots of schizo lore and how to play.
Which one should I learn next?- werewolf TA, Mage Ascension, or Wraith
for soloplay?

>>98368025
I think she's actually a Troll, not a Ghoul.

>>98368006
The Lasombra also have a quote spitballing about how Potence isn't just muscle power?

>>98368041
Read Changeling the Lost.

>>98368025
>>98368031
>>98368036
Cognis mentis, innit?

>>98368011
At least chapter 6 is supposed to come out very soon, which is sure to contain actual things happening.

>>98368043
yes lasombra believe that Potence is supernatural power seperate from their phisical strenght which is why stuff like "Lend the Supernatural
Vigor" is a lasombra made elder and in later books combinatin power

they are only sorta correct because they believe that this might be connected to the same energy as obtenerbration

brujah meanwhile think it's just extra strenght comming from their inner fire

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The cope among the tourist fans has officially started. lmao
God, it must be real exhausting being an indie creator and having to deal with mouth breathers attaching to your characters way too much and having a mental breakdown when something happens. There's so many people in the comments losing it, because they think Grimal has been marked for death in this episode. Even if she has, so what? She's not real.

>>98368055
I'm just glad my boy Harry is still fine and completely normal

>>98368044
Is it really that good?
Checked em.

>>98368049
>they are only sorta correct because they believe that this might be connected to the same energy as obtenerbration
Everyone's gotta fuck up somewhere.

>>98368076
Give it a try. Definitely better than weredog and wraith.

>>98368083
Alright, but it better be good to beat out schizo powers VS hyperbeams and terminator bots, and finding out why people actually play HtV.

>>98368049
ah that's from the player guide to the high/low clans right? i liked how they tried to give different clan's versions of the same discipline different feelings which informed the elder powers in these books like:
ventrue fortitude hardens your body leading to stuff like the "Armor of Kings" power or makes the ventrue convinced that they can endure everything the world throws at them which leads to the " Stand Against all Foes" elder power
cappadocian fortitude makes you more corpse like akin to the corpse in the monster necromancy path (which wasn't a thing back then) leading to elder powers like " Repair the Undead Flesh"
and gangrel fortitude is about nature and becoming a beast closer to it and is less hardening yourself and more "rejecting" damage which is why they made the elder power that makes weapons break on contact "The Knight's Bane"

>>98368110
>player guide to the high/low clans
NTA, but I fucking love those books.
It's a shame some of the content never made it to V20.

>>98368110
>cappadocian fortitude makes you more corpse like akin to the corpse in the monster necromancy path (which wasn't a thing back then) leading to elder powers like " Repair the Undead Flesh"
It also played a bit into their scholarly side since that one was based on collabing with a Salubri healer to work out how to get around the usual limitations on healing aggravated damage.

>>98367908
Silly woof, drones don't think

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>>98368031
I think the result of the whodunnit ghoul arc was that they telephone'd themselves into forgetting there was a ghoul to begin with.
first the ghoul was actually a vampire, then the vampire was actually a wolf, and now they're too busy chasing down the furries to remember that the arcanum having a tremere plant was a whole separate thing.
Also the ghoul is clearly lester gtfo with your tinfoil hat theories

>>98368055
Always remember anon to never have any interest in characters nor speculate on their development, experience everything in a hollow state and think nothing of the story and its stakes afterwards, proceed to search elise_culpepper on rule34

>>98368226
We have a lot of Setite posters in here I see. Someone must purge snek

>>98368076
>>98368109
Personally, 1e CtL was one of, if not my favorite game line, while I don't like the 2e version. This isn't anti-2e sentiment either. While I don't like everything, VtR is mostly a straight improvement and feel WtF (undisputed favorite now that CtL isn't in the running anymore) was two steps forward, one step back. While I have many complaints and am too tired to go over them right now, the thing I hate most is they're too overtuned.

>>98367903
Any new news on Curseborne™ by Onyx Path Publishing?

>>98368324
players guide has manuscripts out for backers and they also kickstarted a Jumpstart two months ago

>>98368324
pdfs are floating around, it's eh. Imagine you went from "gothic horror big lore" to "cryptids, backrooms and make your own setting" that's how I feel about it. I only skimmed over it, however.

The backrooms and cryptids angle is not a joke btw. This isn't really about being a vampire and fighting other vampires, it's about being a vampire and going to weird haunted places and seeing weird shit. There's far more than vamps in the corebook, from werewolves to sorcerers and others..
I don't know. I didn't exactly hate it but it didn't really "grab" me either.

There was no "wow I really wanna play this splat" or "wow I really wanna pull off this chronicle".
But I've obviously never seen it in play and I will be honest: I kind of forgot the actual mechanics already.

>>98368344
Oh and also, looking over this shitty ass .html I somehow ripped off of scribd, it's far more.. je ne sais quoi. Like it's made by a retarded zoomer lefty, you know? But not in a subtle-ish way.

It's worse than how I remember v5. So if you care about this sort of shit, you won't like it.
Again, my biggest problem remains, it's just not cool. A Garou is cool because it will actually maul people and fuck you up, but the way Curseborne describes their Werewolves is like "oooooooh we are a family and sometimes we own the chuds. And sometimes my animal self goes out of control grrr, woe is me.."
The more I read of these factions, the more I want to forget them again.

>>98368344
While I think that's a strange angle, maybe they should've gone all in on backrooms creepypasta horror game instead of trying to cram it into not!WoDit could be good

>>98368422
>oooooooh we are a family and sometimes we own the chuds. And sometimes my animal self goes out of control grrr, woe is me.."
Sounds like the typical werewolf game then

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CtL is one of the WW games I'd like to see a video game of. Not one where you create your character but rather like Witcher where you start with a pre-defined character
Its Seemings/kiths are just way too different for it to work in a video game where you build an empty state character and then in game dialogue/events change according to characteristics checks, it would be too shallow compared to a pre-defined character's dealing with detailed trauma
Will never happen though sadly

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>>98368457
no its like if you turned a werewolf into just another vampire that hunts humans without all the spirit shit. But then, instead of necessarily killing people you need to deal the equivalent of 1 damage and maybe spook somebody. Oh no, so dark.. truly we are the curseborne..
It's like if you turned a cool ass crinos werewolf into a slightly, very slighty menacing punk rock furry, pic related.

Even the most limp-dicked retarded w5 werewolf is 10x as cool as this shit.

>>98368458
Geist would be cool too.

>>98368042
I wish, it would explain a lot of stuff and I really want some CtD representation, it's my favorite splat.

Are there sorcery paths that let you travel to the umbra? Or the underworld?

>>98368559
Thaumaturgy has Path of Spirit Manipulation and Necromancy has the Ash Path, does this answer your question?

>>98368041
Mummy is good. We need more mummy guys

Guys, what if Grimal is a Ducheski revenant? They had a pretty big presence in North England during the Victorian Era and they are the Tremere's personal pet revenant family. Grimal is pretty cringy socially, which is completely in accord with the Ducheski curse which prevents them from having more than two dots in social attributes. Also they have access to dominate. WoD crossover soup, innit?

>>98368634
not a Grimaldi

...i'll see myself out

>>98368480
Reads like ai.

>>98368480
Ok, that's pretty funny.
>born to punk
>forced to troll

>>98368678
Imagine if this was true and you could prove it. Their fans would cry&shit themselves and then descend on OPP headquarters to rip them apart and devour their corpses. Maybe it would inspire them to write a less lukewarm take on shapeshifting primal monsters.

>>98368480
>you have gifts, but that doesn't make you a god or the next step in evolution
Whiny baby bullshit. You have superpowers, and that makes you objectively better than people who don't.

>>98368698
Grrr, that sounds like fascist talk, woof. Don't you know all werewolves punch nazis? We're all FAMILY and we care about and love our community. And it's not all sunshine and rainbows either. Sometimes, I lose myself to THE CREATURE and then I turn into a THUNDERWOLF and scratch somebody before running back off into the dark and foreboding night. Only once I am home to watch the newest episode of Rick and Morty can I recover from my deep and traumatic Curse.

>>98368569
Those are both piss poor ways to travel. High cost high risk and sloppy mechanics. Its why I was asking for alternate ways to enter the umbra/shadowlands in the first place.

>>98368480
That character image is pvre sovl

I know nobody plays wraith can anyone tell me if there is any significant differences between a wraith game and a risen game?

>>98368760
Eh, I’ve seen better on furaffinity

>>98367918
Those are the best paths, after all.

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>>98367957
I'd rather see Todd McFarlane's World of Darkness.

>>98368870
lol

>>98368760
the only interesting thing about it is just how fucking retarded it is. It genuinely looks like a 2006 fursona.

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>>98368870
this is all using the original rules for risen. i heard w20 nerved them but i been lucky enough to have been in one game with them i doubt it will happen again

it's a lot like vampire if you mixed it with the crow and if the crow hated the bird because it's his shadow

your shadow is actually stronger as a risen. might also be able to walk around in a animal corpse or tied to a condit item that you can't afford to let be destroyed (if it's a item it's also constantly bleeding entopic energy for mages and imbued to sense) and all your angst is doubled and the shadow can try to take over your body temporarily in which case it will most likely try to kill whoever if your feter in the skinlands and if you get 10 permanent angst you become a spectre risen... soo most risen in-universe aren't full time risen, but only become risen to do a certain thing they feel they need to do in the skinlands and then drop back into the shadowlands. we been however playing fulltime risen so in we decided pretty quickly to drop the double angst thing because otherwise it was just not managable

you have some unique arcanoi and you may learn Celerity, Fortitude, Obfuscate and Potence. at out of clan cost, but you don't have blood buff and you pay for them with Pathos

you only take agg damage from werewolf/vamp claws, bites and fire and beside possibly being smelly that are all your weaknesses you can go to a church at sunday morning and be fine

>>98368480
>Screaming at your bully or breaking a door curses you.
The fuck?

Found an error in the VtM to VtR conversion PDF

Way of Fire 5, Volcanic Blast says "This creates an Inferno Environmental Tilt with an intensity equal to the lower of the vampire’s Blood Sorcery and Blood Potency. The tilt does the following:" and then it doesn't explain what the tilt does

>>98368964
Don't forget the fact that risen have 10 health levels by default, don't get wound penalties, and soak like vampires(bullets are bashing instead of lethal, half damage from bashing). They're TANKY motherfuckers even before adding fortitude.

>>98368997
>The fuck?
It was written by the people that think mean words are equivalent to murder.

>>98369076
somehow that's the post that makes me realize a modern mage could use the thuum

>>98368997
I don't know. I think the door is metaphorical in this case. Either way, it's lame and gay. It's like if somebody took the concept of a First Change and asked themself "How do I make this as boring and dumb as possible?"

>>98368957
exactly, SOVL

>>98367138
>Don't the verbena like collecting static magic bloodlines the the fucking Bene Gesserit? They have a revenant family, kinfolk, and even kinains.
So is this actually a tging? Were the verbena a dune reference before later editions made them etsy witches?

>>98369094
I thought Verbena fucking hated Etsy Witches and would probably schizo out and cut their hearts out and eat it or something?

>>98369070
yeah and they can use pathos to heal and if you don't destroy the body they can come back later and despite being the ultimate piece of shit your shadow also does not want to see you destroyed and might even help out

in general i had a lot of fun playing my risen amateur assassin but i also have to say that the st was amazing the best st i ever had and i could see it being really cluncky with a lesser group, but that's probably just true for wraith in general

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>>98368943
>I'm Todd McFarlane, creator of Spawn. What if you had the monsters from the Universal Monsters but they were all like, all super fucked up and looked totally awesome?

>I brought some badass action figures for you to look at. Now available at all retail stores for $20.00 each

>>98368011
Yeah I was also disappointed. Werewolf limbo sucks. Everyone's already guessed that Grimal is the ghoul. You don't need to keep spamming hints about it. The lack of suspicion around her miraculous recovery is another notch in Big D's fraud belt. I'd have preferred they just give us her internal monologue and confirm it. Because then the audience can engage in dramatic irony, since the entire pretense of mystery has been dropped for a while now. Plus, I'd rather have gone for a deeper cut if we were gonna spend 30 minutes on a side character. Give us her actual, unfiltered thoughts.

>>98368055
The entire subsect of HtP fans that explain everything away by turning every single character into a secret supernatural is baffling to me. Also, I am the exact opposite of these guys. I want them to start stacking bodies. And for fucking werewolf limbo to end but holy shit they've written themselves into a corner on this one.

>>98369094
verbanna are under the (obviously wrong) belief that all mages belong to ancient magical bloodlines going back to the Wyck (their revised book also claims that lilith is the first one of these) and that you can't cast magick, some even say any form of magic without it that fera are bastard children of the wyck while they are the trueborn descendants and stuff like that

before m20 the verbanna as a whole also in most part rejected modern culture and tools when it came to magic. m20 then made them nu wicca mages

>>98369094
No, but that would be significantly cooler than what we have.
Would probably lead to sam height nonsense though. The writers for some fucking reason decided to establish half-splat hybrids are significantly stronger that either of their parent half-splats should imply.
Example: Danislavs(revenant kinfolk hybrid) can learn disciplines and gifts up to 3rd dot range despite both revenants and kinfolk being limited to a 1 dot cap.

>>98369094
the thing is the verbana have a lot of magical bloodlines because of the one belief the other anon mentioned, but they aren't mixing them. the closest you get are the Dunsirn who are a giovanni familly who prefer sorcery over necromancy who have fianna blood but are pretty much rejected by the tribe and had atleast 1 awakened member in the verbana during the time of the wild west, but the verbana didn't do that and if anything Dunsirn are trying to hide how mixed up they are with other splats from their giovanni overlords and throw out the werewolves born of their bloodline

>>98369125
Most intellectual properties are kept afloat by sales...

>>98369138
>Example: Danislavs(revenant kinfolk hybrid) can learn disciplines and gifts up to 3rd dot range despite both revenants and kinfolk being limited to a 1 dot cap.
There are a few sources that imply 3rd level gifts is the actual limit for kinfolk and the "rank one gifts only" is a mostly social limit. Kinfolk are permanently rank 1 in garou society and can't be higher, spirits won't teach you gifts above your rank, garou generally refuse to teach kin any gifts in the first place, and kin don't have the rage or gnosis necessary to fuel most higher level gifts(except a rare few).

>>98369191
There is nothing wrong with selling action figures from McFarlane Toys now available for $20.00 at a store near you

is it acceptable to PK someone for being french canadian IRL?

>>98367898
>Too late but in honor of reaching 1200 Ill post the most lust provoking imagine I have: the picture Bahari anon came on that Setite anon drew. Why did he do it?
Act of spontaneous whimsy. Plus, I think I had a bit more whiskey than usual after work that day? I have no regrets.

>>98369138
>The writers for some fucking reason decided to establish half-splat hybrids are significantly stronger that either of their parent half-splats should imply.
Early whitewolf had a hard-on for abominations and mixed splats. The LOVED making special auther self inserts up until sam height made it cringe.
For example: see Talaq, a methusela that was cured by a mage, but kept all his methusela powers and immortality with none of the vampire weaknesses And on top of all that the book implies he can awaken as a mage.

>>98369241
I use canadian french to represent demon speak in my current game.

>>98369254
>until sam height made it cringe.
It's actually amazing in context. The author for sam height was so cringe that whitewolf 180ed on mixed splats as a concept and have done everything in their power to keep splats segragated since. Multiple splats are specifically fertile and able to make half-splats, but become infertile if another splat gets involved. Demons are straight-up sterile despite nephilim/laham being a thing in owodfor decades before Down-to-Fuck was released.

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It seems my superiority has led to some controversy.

>>98369291
Wait, if you were soulforged into an ashcan, does that mean you also get arcanoi?

>>98369291
The worst part is, sam and his skindancers were actually qn awesome antagonist before the fucking author went fully cringe with the world tree branch and conqistator's sword shit.
A faction of kinfolk pissed about garou abusing them as second class citizens becoming vitae-addicted werewolves that have to rituall sacrifice garou to increase their numbers, the adventure fucking writes itself if you're not a retard.

>>98369307
soulforged souls can't use... anything anymore

they can only scream

>>98369278
>Demons are straight-up sterile despite nephilim/laham being a thing in owodfor decades before Down-to-Fuck was released.
It'll never not be funny to me that they made demon's initials DTF, made an entire house of them into basically succubi, and then made them all sterile.

>>98369354
in theory that's true but come the adventure where sam became a skinwalker was awful. it's not about him for 90% of the time and then he just shows up and wins

the book even says that regardless of how well and fast you manuver his minions and traps he will have the ritual finished and prepare the room to be able to escape ... despite only being a rank 1 garou ghoul at the time and the party being a entire pack of either rank 3 or 4

>>98369360
Surely the mighty Sam Haight would overcome such hurdles

>they can only scream

So if I gave my ex a soulforged mirror would it torment him with its screams?

>>98369369
just gotta buy some of the pearls from former ebony legion annunaki! not kidding they still have some of these in Thala-m'kudan (bastion realm) and at least one of them already remembered how to make them

the only reason there aren't any nephilim toddlers running around in dtf is because most demons think they went to far with that one and the ones that didn't instead think that the nephilim are too flawed and that the relic needs improvment before they start breeding nephilim 2.0s

>>98369307
He did resurrect himself by possessing a kinfolk, which means he's back to being a Garou Skin Dancer. Which means he can still be a ghoul and a sorcerer, since Skin Dancers don't have the vitae allergy that naturally born Garou do.

>>98369375
>So if I gave my ex a soulforged mirror would it torment him with its screams?
sometimes. sometimes soulforged material only screams when it hits something and sometimes it only makes sad little moans, sometimes it whisper unintelligibly and most of the time it doesn't do anything

the souls in general are so far gone that the hierachy can claim that the soul is not sentient anymore although some people doubt that they don't have proof to the contrary

>>98369369
It's actually a really christian spin. God basically commands "Breed you Fuckers" at humanity multiple times throughout the bible a la:
"Multiply your children until they are as numerous as the stars"
"Be Fruitful and Multiply"
There are even rules against pulling out.
Demons being unable to "be fruitful" is a big glowing sign god isn't happy with them.

>>98369394
>most of the time, it doesn’t do anything

Damn it, back to the enchanting books then

>>98369397
>There are even rules against pulling out.
What?

>>98369414
yeah i think what you are instead looking for is hiring a haunter or artificer

the former make spooky shit happen around you while the later can haunt items and make spooky relics

>>98369415
you never heard of "sex only for recreation" christians? who then have like 8 kids

>>98368698
Magneto rolling in his (temporary) grave right now.

>>98368480
>this is what a modern werewolf is like
Gaia weeps.

>>98369433
>who then have like 8 kids
That's the intent. The fact moder people have 0-1 kids is weird and crazy by the standards of most of human history.
The bible is clear, ONLY COWARDS PULL OUT!

>>98369544
This is what True Faith 1 does to a motherfucker.

>>98369544
People had many kids because small farm hands are net positive and a decent chunk kicked the bucket early on.

If it took 30+ years for a child to be profitable humanity would have died off a long time ago.

>>98369375
>Surely the mighty Sam Haight would overcome such hurdles
yeah with the power of friendship. not even kidding in the w20 adventure he might come back (for 1 scene before the players put him in the ground again) because the skindancer bring him back with a ritual

the chief skindancer also if i remember correctly even gives up his own body for sam to use

>>98368319
Very based take. Though I'm curious, as someone who didn't really get into WtF until 2e, what was the one step backwards it had?

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>>98369570
You know what to do.

>>98369430
Noted, and thanks anon. My friends all say I’m crazy for picking up necromancy to get back at my ex, but when I’m done with him the sky will be the limit

>>98368319
I heard Lost doubled down on Trauma Simulator in 2e, and actually made Changelings worse at combat to facilitate that. Does anybody know if that's true?

>>98369611
I played a lot of Lost 2e and so far the trauma side is just background noise most of the time.
In terms of combat 2e Lostlings are about as bullshit as it get outside Mummy, Mage and Demon.

Why are the "Drowned Legacies" called drowned legacies?

Like, what's the logic behind the moniker?

>>98369584
You can throw a brick and then use it to build something. Let us do both.

>>98368480
This is gWoD, right?
Please tell me it's gWoD.

>>98369629
My pulled out of my ass explanation is that they're called Drowned because whatever vampires started embracing in the new world would've needed to traverse an entire ocean in the age when basically no cultures had vessels worthy of a cross-ocean journey. So they had to pull some Pirates of the Caribbean shit to get there.

>>98369640
Image reverse search is free, retard, the art's from Curseborne

>>98369629
>Why are the "Drowned Legacies" called drowned legacies?
Because of the native's assosiation with the rivers and the fact they were "suffocated" by western kindred is probably the reason for the name, there is also some bullshit tied to the Liabon but I don't remember much about it.

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>>98368319
>the thing I hate most is they're too overtuned.
Fair enough. Personally I don't mind trading a bit of fun options I won't know I'm missing at first in exchange for a more cohesive gameplay. And maybe conditions won't be that harrowing if I try to have them on from the beginning. Alright anon, I'll give it a spin. MtAs schizo reality ear and WtA's Pentex stuff looks tempting, but I'll enter the magical realm first.

I do wonder somewhat why Curseborne is the way it is. I remember roughly that some of the production was involved with WoD so seeing something kind of purposefully cringe like this (deviant art OC aside) feels weird. WoD is kind of tastefully cringe in comparison.

>>98369629
because middle and south america are rainy and wet is the only thing you are going to get out of canon

we know next to nothing about the drowned legacies beside the fact that they exist for all we know rasputin might just have made the name up while becket and vykos been waterboarding him

>>98369415
Onanism, though it came to refer to masturbation, was originally the sin of failing to fulfill the marital duty of husband to wife, pulling out instead of cumming inside. Typically exegetized in most denominations as follows:
>God intended sex to be unitive between man and woman and also procreative. To be capable of both of these things (i.e. not sterile, paralyzed, etc) and to intentionally sever one from the other is disordered and sinful. For example, sex thta is not unitive/loving is sinful. Sex that intentionally tried to prevent the procreative aspect is also sinful though there's a bit more leeway in this second part as even the stricter theologians think that as long as the sex act involves at least 1 act of procreative intercourse then it's probably fine
All of this within the bond of marriage yadda yadda yadda
It needs not be said that most christians are not even aware of this nor do they observe it strictly. Even churches that used to do so like the Catholic church have quietly given up on following and enforcing it. Much like laws on how christian women are supposed to wear veils at church or otherwise wear their hair short

>>98369672
Image reverse search has been useless for years, retard. It doesn't even occur to me to use it.
>Curseborne
So it's fucking nothing for no-one, then, thank gods. Doesn't even belong in the thread.

>>98369757
Its an Onyx Path game...

>>98369686
you have to compare curseborne not with either wod's begining but with the latest cofd, exalted and scion books because those are the people we are talking about the fans of nwod that got hired to write cofd (or 1e and 2e if you prefer) all beside the mage guy who was too cringe even for them

then curseborne looks like they put in more effort than usual

>>98369767
so is scion, the world below, they came from X and exalted

while i might not be against talking about curseborne when it has new content in the works this is not really the right place for it

>>98369138
Danislavs can't buy disciplines up to the third dot, their family disciplines are just as limited as other revenants.
As this anon: >>98369207 kinfolk csn already innately learn up to 3rd rank gifts, the danislav are only different from normal kin because 1.) Grandfather thunder was willing to give them gifts(which is why they can only learn shadowlord gifts) and 2.) They had a supply of magic juice they could spend instead of gnosis.

>>98369767
I know what it is and it can fuck right off.

>>98369757
It's tangentially related and somebody was asking for it.

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>>98369754
>It needs not be said that most christians are not even aware of this nor do they observe it strictly.
There's a reason WoD says true faith is rarer today despite a higher volume of people going to church, modern people pick and choose what to follow about the religions they follow. Often to their detriment, because many religious rules exist for their benefit.
The bible encourages women to aspire to be tomboys for example...

>>98369796
My shit is tangentially related to my asshole, but you don't see me taking a steaming dump on your face.

chorisisters...

>>98369822
don't act like a faggot, you know full well that this is just about the best place to be talking about curseborne. A game specifically made by the CofD people which was their own butthurt reaction to being denied the IP.

>>98369291
Sammy did it the most retarded way possible though.

>Be Tremere
>use Spirit Manipulation for gifts & Rites, learn Skindancer rite if you want or use the Sabbat thaum ritual for the same thing
>use Necromancy to learn Path of Skulls 5 Degulo & swap all your attributes to 5+ with a bit of research & a shovel
>Or learn Mummy rituals to get Drink of the Moche & do the same
>learn Mummy Amulets to get 3 extra attacks, toss cars, have everyone you meet become a devoted slave & a ton of other perks
>use Necromancy to make a spectre your bitch. Force it to give you Being & Arcanoi, then destroy it or put it in a box
>Create or find the Soultaker sword or eat a demon to get Demon Lores
>be kinian & learn Naming or use Mummy Ren for the same thing
>use it to become whatever Gen of vampire you want
>use it to remove the curses of Caine/reach Golconda
>get rid of your Clan weakness
>use it to rip the Avatar off a mage & staple it to yourself
>any time you run low on XP lead a cult suicide ritual to scoop up tons of free xp

Theres nothing the Tremere cant Usurp & Sam was a little bitch. If younget turned into an ashtray you deserve it

>>98369883
>rip the Avatar off a mage & staple it to yourself
lose access to all other powers because everything gets interpreted through true magic now kek

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>>98369883
Yes, Crimson Pinstripe Suit, you're very clever.

>>98369936
Mages really do have the worst power system don't they?
They get fucking-bitchlapped for using it, there spells do or don't work for completely arbitrary reasons that change with time, and True Magick isn't even the "most powerful" type of magic like it's hyped up to be, it's just versatile.

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>>98369962
What? No! Mage is the best! THE BEST! THEY BEAT ALL OTHER SPLATS!

>>98369962
>True Magick isn't even the "most powerful" type of magic like it's hyped up to be
al aswad would like to have a word with you

>>98369883
>or eat a demon to get Demon Lores
Eating demons lets you get merits like nephilim according to the rules, it doesn't get you lores.
You need pacts with earthbound for lores.
>use it to rip the Avatar off a mage & staple it to yourself
And immediately get gilgulled for your trouble. You need to cure your vampirism first or the curse of caine will lobotomize the thing.
It's possible to "cure" vampirism, aka getting rid of all the weaknesses while keeping all the benefits through assistance from an archmage, but you'll be stuck at your current generation and unable to diablerize up the chain.

Which do you want more, True Magick or a shot at becoming a new Antedeluvian?

>>98369754
Isn't that Old Testament stuff?

>>98369974
>al aswad would like to have a word with you
ToJ and Masters of the Art got retconned, so he's stuck at entropy 5.

>>98369883
Wouldn't whoever cursed Caine basically curse you for your efforts?

>>98369936
Nah just keep it in a box it doesnt have to rewrite being... whatever you are after all that bullshit.
>>98369953
No im not, but I do think games that let you bullshit stuff should have characters that follow the rules for bullshitting instead of handwaving it. I find it a personal affront that they dont put in the effort to break their game with their own rules. I try to keep my Pyramid posting down, sorry if I offend, its hard not to when someone mentions Haight

>>98369986
Anon, the old testament rules still apply. Jesus Specifically said so.
There are specific individual rules that got lifted individually(like eating pork), but the majority are still in effect.

>>98369990
and this is because you don't need spheres above 5 to do godlike feats.
this means that all mages with entropy 5 can actually do what he does.

>>98369996
>Nah just keep it in a box
ironically only sam haight's method worked because he was able to gain arete without an avatar

also you are now a mage, no refunds :^)

>>98370000
>this means that all mages with entropy 5 can actually do what he does.
*With enough successes
It'll take 1000+ to pull off anything al aswad did casually in time of judgement, but any master could technically do it.

I still giggle at the fact mage's big bad is "The Ass-Wad"

>>98369962
>They get fucking-bitchlapped for using it
Paradox is only a huge problem in one edition and only for mages who think coincidental magic is for cowards.
>there spells do or don't work for completely arbitrary reasons that change with time
The malleable nature of the universe is an important part of the game and the fight to shape the universe to make your magic supreme is the primary conflict of the game.
>True Magick isn't even the "most powerful" type of magic like it's hyped up to be, it's just versatile.
The power comes from the flexibility and from prolonged rituals rather than combat spells. Being able to throw together an outside-of-the-box solution to most problems with enough prep time is what allows mages to potentially outmaneuver vampires and werewolves, but most mages will eat shit if you drop them in a room with a werewolf or vampire with zero prep time.

>>98369999
>>98369999
Nice quads, interesting stuff to read about. I guess I probably should be reading the bible myself though I'm not really a believer. I sort of reflected on what one of the anons said earlier and it does make sense, modern practitioners of even more conservative religions like Islam just pick and choose what they believe in and just hold on to religion more for culture than because it's something they actually believe in.
>>98370000
Two quads is pretty wild

>>98370015
he gets extra dice from having the benefit of "practically all backgrounds" which includes consors/acolytes and other nephrandi that can add their dice
with a time effect he could just compress the extended casting to a second

>>98370015
The amount of successes required is completely up to the ST and completely up in the air, more or less. Perhaps all Asswad can indeed roll more dice than god, who knows. He's pretty much a god.

Since you're clearly a rules lawyer, the rule which restricts rituals with more successes to longer times is an optional rule, so whatever amount of successes he's gonna need isn't actually gonna take all that long.
Really if the big ol' asswad was trying he would have far scarier always-on buffs than the ones he's portrayed as having.

>>98369962
It’s only like that because paradox has to be extremely punishing otherwise it becomes near impossible to justify the setting at large being “real world as we know but with monsters hiding in the shadows” (why don’t hermetics just summon dragons on top of the black suits chasing them)

Pretty much every splat aside from vampire (who have weaknesses much easier to exploit) have the issue that they outclass normal humans so badly, the lore has to set up a convoluted reason for why they don’t rule humanity as god kings, usually some variant of “your predecessors fucked up epically”

>woofs: spent too much time killing each other and their allies and are now stuck alone against an enemy with the resources to exploit their weaknesses
>mage: pissed off normies so much that when a faction of them broke off and said they’ll make magic extinct they ate it up like nectar from the gods, resulting in a bored accountant being able to make them disappear just by seeing them cast spells
>changelings: the same accountant can nullify their powers and slowly kill them just by being nearby because their fae ancestors used boredom nukes extremely liberally

Can’t say much about demon, wraith and mummy, but I’m confident that the pattern continues

>>98370034
I don't think there's enough living nephandi to get that many successes, the population density required would be enough to create several nephandic reality zones. Nephandic reality zones are Very loud and obvious

>>98370043
Paradox in mage is kind of limpdicked once you realize that most good spells are either coincidental or can be cast within a sanctum. It really only punishes fireball mages, and even then only really on botches.

>>98370050
The ghetto is a nephandic reality zone?

>>98370064
Paradox is very punishing in Revised, even for successful vulgar spells. But this is only the case for Revised, which is reviled due to the "you will be stuck on earth, you will use coincidental magic, you will get cucked by Technocrats" philosophy that it tried to force on the entire Mage community.

>>98370069
far louder. detroid is too nice to be a nephandic reality zone

>>98370043
>Can’t say much about demon, wraith and mummy
>Wraith
The Hierarchy enforces the dictum mortum, a magical law forbiddening wraiths from fucking with the living too much.
The power behind it is enough that it causes "The Fog", a mental effect exactly like delirium that happens whenever a mortal sees ghosts or arcanoi in action(Basically, wraith have delerium)
>Mummies
These guys have zero rules to be secret. Their limit is that they'll bleed out all their magic and die if they leave the israel-egypt area, and that place is considered a fucking lost cause by the technocracy. There's a giant mind effect preventing the rest of the world seeing the magic carpets flying next to 747's in the sandbox countries.
>Demons
They're actually an anti-concensus splat. They don't want to keep secret and all of them plan to "Go Loud" the moment the earthbound wake up an sart chucking cities into orbit.
Demon is the game you use to put a time limit on the masqurade.

>>98370076
I thought the majority of people played M20. I hardly ever see other editions except in the context of what was once canon, old mechanics, old lore.

>>98370086
A lot of people are put off of M20 by its extremely poor editing and Brucato's obnoxious style of writing. It's still the most played edition of Mage, but there's a significant community of players who sing the praises of Revised and how much more concise its magic system is.

>>98370086
Nah, VTM sales beat mage by a landslide. Mage just attracts more autists that fixate on the game and talk about it constantly.

>>98370097
>who sing the praises of Revised
We really are in a shitty timeline.
2e would blow these newfags minds.

>>98370078
>the moment the earthbound wake up an sart chucking cities into orbit
THE FUCK?

>>98370098
we are talking about mage
>>98370097
so what's actually supposed to be better about revised? I don't really read Brucatos musings on the relationship between magic and fascism, even if they are in the book. Editing, I suppose? Fair enough, but once you've got the rules down it becomes quite moot. Also you can feed the PDF into any modern LLM and have it flag even the vaguest description of the passage you are looking for. Takes like thirty seconds.

>>98370113
>THE FUCK?
Huh, that was the first thing the technocrat said when he saw it too.

>>98370119
Mostly just editing, the rules of magic are summed up in less than a dozen pages, which lots of people cheer on in comparison to M20 failing to cover magic with a hundred pages and then requiring an entire other book to detail how magic works. Plus there's the hatred of Sphere bloat, with a lot of people preferring the lower Sphere requirements of older editions.

>>98370119
Revised is a lot more informative about how magic actually works and how to use spheres

>>98370077
Chiraq?

>>98368458
You could have it be like the old rpgs where the player controls a party to at least give more variety to how the characters look or play
Alternatively you could just make something like shin megami tensei/Persona (Actually that might be the best way yo play changelings even on table top)

>>98369985
Soultaker gives you Lores

You use Naming/Ren to first get rid of all the negatives of vampirism/reach Golconda blood god status & raise your Generation to whatever youd like (though id personally go no higher than 4th since theres no solid rules past that that I know of) you could even turn yourself into a super ghoul if you want to graft True Magick on you that way. After that, depending on whatever interpretation of the rules you go with, you can either bond the Avatar to you or turn it into an item that grant the powers of the avatar to whoever holds it sort of like the World Tree staff or just command it to do magic on your behalf & keep it in a box.

>>98370008
So can the player

>>98369994
They might very well come after you who knows. Maybe your ST sends Caine himself to wreck your shit like WoDs version of Adam Smasher.

>>98370043
Mummies only real weakness is that they are region locked & grossly outnumbered.

>>98370113
Least crazy Earthbound plot.

Earthbound are like Archmages with no Paradox or filters

>>98370167
I really want to know what the fuck was going through the writer's head when he made a background thst makes all magic 10x more powerful per dot taken.

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>>98369579
Death rage rules are too harsh with how destructive and hard to tard wrangle a pack mate already is without being contagious, and I don't like how werewolves can have kids. I get not wanting ghost children in the setting, but they should've made them sterile. I like most of the changes to Wolf-Blooded, but I don't like they made it less inheritable. They wanted to get rid of the possibility of a Kinfolk situation even though inheritance was already so spotty it wasn't really viable. Logically, it wouldn't even stop Ivory Claws from continuing to abduct Wolf-Blooded for breeding programs anyway since they're fanatics, and since when have fanatics ever cared about things that contradict their worldview? I dislike the Predator King Sacred Hunt because I got the vibe in 1e that they weren't that kind of hunter. I thought of them as the type who would hunt for sport as an act of superiority and domination over prey.

Speaking of vibes, the tone of 1e was more bleak, but not in a "woe-is-me, life is misery, no fun allowed" way Requiem 1e was, and I liked that. While I do understand and agree with wanting to tone it back, I liked how it portrayed it as difficult for most werewolves to function in mortal society and feel they over-corrected on it. I think they also got a bit too loose with who is considered a member of the pack even if I do think it should technically be an option to consider a bunch of witless humans part of it.

>>98369611
You do get that vibe, but with how Clarity functions, it's not as harsh and is such an easy way to farm beats that it defangs it. CtL 2e may have excised the busted but fun Pledge system, but it was replaced with a bunch of powers that let you turn your brain off and brute force your way through situations with mystical might rather than being clever.

>>98369680
It's not that much more cohesive. I'd say it lost the plot and devolved down into a magical realms power fantasy that reeks of developer favoritism.

>>98370076
>you will be stuck on earth
What the fuck was their problems? No, really, why do they hate the Umbra so much?

>>98370308
Figure they hate the Umbra because it's triple divorced from the urban setting they want you to focus on. Every other splat is some level of Urban primarily but with Mage if you go umbra you can make the entire chronicle just the umbra. A bit harder to do that with changeling or werewolf, and Wraith is technically spooky urban.

>>98370297
It all loops around to breeding people moderately related to werewolves, doesn't it?

>>98370308
The original premise of Mage was that you are an undercover wizard who has to find a way to disguise the magic that they wield, in a hostile world that doesn't believe that you should exist.

When that wizard can just fuck off away from Earth and blast aliens with fireballs on the surface of Mars instead, that completely ruins the gritty hidden magic premise. So rather than try to find a way to incentivise staying on Earth, they effectively deleted the Umbra in its entirety in an effort to prevent the I'm-just-going-to-fuck-off-into-space-and-have-gonzo-sci-fi-adventures playstyle.

>>98370135
>Soultaker gives you Lores
soultaker, my beloved, allows you to use it's lores it doesn't gives you the lores yourself for most part this means the same thing as long as you hold the sword and it's happy with you, but it does lock you out of dtf's infamous crafting and ritual systems because those need you yourself to know said lores and that you can't raise those lores without killing a demon who knows them because soultaker as a item can't spend exp

this is done because otherwise soultaker would completely break reality because even at base it remembers all lores at 1 dot and demon crafting only needs the first dot of a lore to be able to craft items that can use any of the 5 and combine it with any other lore powers (if the material is fancy enough) you know

>>98370324
>>98370340
Wow, imagine coming up with ways mages can interact with the umbra then walking it back because people had a choice in how they went about playing their roleplaying game. Motives beyond our comprehension.

>>98369754
It wasn't even that. It was considered a man's duty to impregnate his dead brother's wife if he didn't leave behind any heirs so he'd have someone to carry on his lineage. Onan didn't want to raise a kid he didn't consider his, so he kept on pulling out.

>>98370392
Like Vampires with katanas wearing trenchcoats on rooftops?

>>98370401
So onanism is more dereliction of duty than actually about him pulling out?

>>98370391
You might be able to Naming yourself some Lores trading in points from other stuff you could reclaim later. If not, maybe get Thralled then Being devour the Demon, though it might be tricky. Maybe but a Forge Demon soul in a box to call forth when needed? WoD is surprisingly okay with stuffing things into boxes

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>>98370444
Yes. He was being selfish and screwing over his brother's legacy. While not in the text itself, do to how society was, he was also technically screwing over his brother's wife since she'd have nobody to take care of her when she got old.

>>98370448
fallen are surprisingly hard to put into a box compared to other demons (even those that are way more powerful than a playable elohim) because they can use most items as reliquaries and are 100% immune against mind control with the only exception being order issued with their true name and even then that might only apply when the other party is also a demon..
because non demons can "use" true names like that is a whole thing in dtf where several books give contradictory information because dtf's first books been rushed out while the project lead was in a hospital

it's not impossible, baba yaga did have a earthbound as general after all just way harder than "let's use spirit manipulation"

>>98370497
Beast
>A warning
Just a weird changeling then

>>98370513
>Just a weird changeling then
Seeming and Court?

>>98370324
>>98370392
it wasn't just mage... mage was hit the hardest, but most lines beside werewolf had revised try their best to reduce the influence of the umbra

vampires never had much to do with the umbra but still they suspiciously didn't had the umbra walk ritual reprinted anywhere in revised

imbued where given a total 100% permaban from the umbra

fallen been told that the only dimension they could go to was currently a major hazard zone although the storyteller guide in it's write up to werewolves implies that what the fallen call the spirit realm is all of the umbra and their stuff would work on other umbra realms and sections they just don't know about them

mummies had their home dimension blown up hell even some dimensions we didn't hear about before like hades got blown up!

and wraith and fae games that played a lot with their umbra realms both got axed

>>98370324
>>98370308
Chantries and Horizon realms exploding. Avatar storm and so on. Masters dying left and right. This is all a symptom. A symptom of something that only today is showing it's grave cause.
Street level play. They wanted more "Street level play" so they nuked the shadowy masters and epic offworld adventures because we wouldn't want any potential ST to go "well this doesn't make any sense in setting, there'd be masters above the PCs chilling in horizon, ordering them around.:" or somesuch.

tldr: KILL ALL STREETSHITTER LEVEL PLAYERS

>>98370535
>and wraith and fae games that played a lot with their umbra realms both got axed
It's worse than that. Orpheus revealed that wraith society as a whole got axed.

>>98370535
>>98370559
On the one hand powerwank white room battle autism... On the other hand "street" (actually a singular housing district) level play... Something something it's a world of darkness after all something something

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>>98370297
>it's not as harsh and is such an easy way to farm beats that it defangs it. CtL 2e may have excised the busted but fun Pledge system, but it was replaced with a bunch of powers that let you turn your brain off and brute force your way through situations with mystical might rather than being clever.
Im not sure if you're the same anon who's tried to shill me 1e over we in the past but alright, you've convinced me. Sounds more amusing and freeform even if lacking balance and better editing/balancing and ends in the overbalanced area you seem to dislike

>>98370575
It's not even the first time Charon went out for milk there's no way the head spooks crumbled like that.

>>98370575
we already knew that in revised it was even a major plot point in HTR that the only choice wraiths had was to flee into the skinlands or be destroyed. dtf also mentioned that the maelstrom was turning every wraith it touched into a spectre that joined the storm sharknado style which is probably grandma(w) now that i think about it... and both slayer demons and hollow one mages been trying to save every wraith they could by building artifical feters and in the case of the later save zones in the real world where wraiths could surrive without them

fae society was also destroyed in revised with winter being there and the few remaining fae fading away althought that was retconned for TOJ but then again TOJ itself is only semi canon at best

The Umbra needed more definition to have a lair of spirit world thats close to the real world but not too freaky. Then we can scoop up all that Far Umbra/Horizon Realm/Space but full of spirt nonsense & call it something else & have a different way to get there. The real underlying problem is that they just kept shoving stuff into the Umbra or making pocket realms that weren't well defined & then when asked "where the fuck is the Dreaming?" people just dumped it in the Umbra. We need more Doors & Thresholds like the Shroud & the Gauntlet & not expect one facet of the setting to hold everything up. The Umbra was supposed to be the equal but different sister of the Underworld

>>98370579
The funniest thing about the whiteroom autists is that they make the most vulnerable characters. They put all their points into combat abilities and next to nothing into mundane background and social abilities.
This is the World of Darkness, being a combat twink doesn't protect your friends and family from the minions of a pissed off prince, doesn't keep your identity protected from the government snoopers, doesn't help you find the skub and macguffins you need, doesn't help you win the big players to your side, etc, etc.
A half-decent ST will run circles around a white-roomer. They'rr mostly harmless autists.

>>98370593
>there's no way the head spooks crumbled like that
It wasn't charon leaving, it was the technocracy nukes and another Great Maelstrom starting right on Stygia.

>>98370614
Curious as to what your idea of a white roomer is. Mind giving an example?

>>98370622
A player that makes a lasombra hentai death machine build as a starting character.

>>98370559
>Street level play
And then we got WoD5...

>>98370627
Which disciplines?

>>98370620
+1 bongs for the sciencers
>>98370614
I mostly agree, and to be clear I don't mind people using Mage to play DBZ on Mars, I just thought it was an interesting dichotomy.

>>98370652
It's just abusing arms of the abyss allowing physicals to affect your tectacles.
It's typically obtenebration 3 with freebees spent on potence + extra discipline merit + celerity 1

>>98370652
Nta, but since he mentioned hentai I assume it involves using all freebies (including ones from taking flaws) to max out obtenebration right out of the gate, if the rules allow

>>98370620
Wasn't there a ghost nuke going off around the same time too?

>>98371027
All because father went out for milk and cigarettes

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>>98371041
And he never came back

>>98370611
That's literally what CofD did. The Umbra got split into the Shadow, Astral, and Underworld. The Hedge is also impossible to fit in any of those places because fae are material.

>>98368480
>Let's make werewolves fake and gay
Total Technocratic Victory

>>98371066
Never have so many worked so much to achieve so little.

>>98371094
Even the smallest cog play's it's part in keeping the machine running.

>>98371094
>Never have so many worked so much to achieve so little.
We both know that isn't true

>>98371063
Thats actually one of the few things I like about CofD. Every splat pretty much had their own realm that was its own thing & didnt have to be shared.

>>98371055
If I was Abel I wouldn't either.

>>98371106
My brother in Science, the werewolves were already fake and mostly gay.
All you achieved was to make them a bit more gay.

black furyanon singlehandedly anchoring the garou onto the consensus

Which Changeling makes the best girlfriend?

>>98371194
Lost or Dreaming?

>>98371194
Dreaming. Trauma girls will randomly start to scream and cry during sex and not in a sexy way.

>>98371166
BSD seething is enough to anchor the Garou at large though

Why do garou bother to hide at all?

>>98371230
The Dog Supreme said they should do that.
Or maybe it was to avoid paying child support, I forgot.

>>98371230
Inquisition fucked them up hard. The inquisition which they weren't even the main target of. Hunter chads keep winning.

>>98371208
Your pick but defend you answer
>>98371227
Which flavor? I didnt mean D or L I meant kith/seeming or whatever

>>98371278
I mean, it's all about your fetishes:
"I like brats"- Sidhe
"Like muscular girls"- Troll
"I like dirty talk/verbal humiliation"- Nocker
"I like animals" - Pooka

>>98371278
Sluagh girls are flexible, if you know what I mean.

>>98371344
They're also ugly and smell

>>98371230
Have you seen how white women and furries get over them?

>>98371297
>thousand year old creature in the body of an underage girl
>underage
>underage (vulgar)
>underage (smelly)
Might as well add Red Caps "I like to be abused" (underage (violent)) to the mix as well.

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>>98371402
>>thousand year old creature in the body of an underage girl
Da. Is normal.

>>98371361
If you can't appreciate an ugly girl that smells I don't think you actually like women. /lgbt/ is that way, friend.

>>98371432
Bro. Dont fuck trash youll get diseases.

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>>98371452
>he doesn't know what condoms are

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Up up down down left right left right B A Start
Just because we use cheats doesn't mean we're not smart

>>98370729
>>98370740
Thats just a melee beast. I feel like the real white room threats are the weird powers or politics guys, zero combat themselves but usually they have a ghoul bodyguard and some way to avoid fights. How often do you guys get in a fight in VtM?

I knew a guy who played with i think the supernatural companion merit, and had a Demon at his beck and call. THATS more dangerous than some tough tentacles in the long run. Melee beasts will get dragged in front of the sheriff or prince soon enough and punished.

>>98371484
This guy has chimerical herpies

>>98371484
Funnily enough the chinese certainly didn't know what a condom was

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Hey anons, since demon hunter x cybernetics are trash, how much of an upgrade would it be to give them access to the cyberpunk-converted cybernetics from the "World of Future Darkness" supplement?
Anyone here played with future darkness before? Would there be any balance issues I should look out for?

>>98371548
I do like the aesthetic of that cyber-tzigger, not gonna lie.

how can the Tremere talk to cats?

>>98371585
Use the "catgirl tongue" ritual.

>>98370119
In addition to what >>98370126 and >>98370128 said,I will point out a flaw with something you said
>once you've got the rules down it becomes quite moot
Surprise! Brucato manages to fuck up the rules, too! There are a bunch of examples people have shared (myself included) in past threads where one passage will totally contradict another, or imply the existence of rules that have never been delineated in any of the THREE books M20 spreads its mechanics across. I'm especially "fond" of How Do You Do That frequently flouting the Duration rules (especially on combat spells) for no explained reason.

>>98369986
It's one of those rare cases where God strikes someone dead on the spot which theologians generally take as a sign of a violation of a moral command. Though there are other interpretations of this verse include God smiting Onan for his greed or just for spilling seed

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>>98370559
>there'd be masters above the PCs chilling in horizon, ordering them around.

>>98371624
>He came? Strike him with lightning.
>He wanted multiple wives? Strike him with lightning.
>He didn't finish inside? Strike him with lightning.
What was Onan supposed to do if his brother just had bad taste? Can't what if his brother didn't choose wife material?

>>98371548
Depends, is your goal here to have strike force zero agents that can get into a fistfight with a brujah elder and probably win?
You can gat a shit ton of actions-per-round on a mortal with the implants in there, raise all their physicals to 8-9 range, give them one dot in every knowledge and talent, let them soak lethal/aggrivated, poison/disease immunity, the ability to heal from almost dead in a couple days, immunity to damage penalties, and 9 health levels instead of 7.
All of it lowers maximum humanity, but most human monster-fighters aren't going to have a humanity over 4-5 anyway.

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Tonight on Mahokinawa!

>Hina overdoses on 450mg of adderal and the spirit of niggerdom leaves her body
>Aiko shoots a muslim and a german woman with her kar98k
>Hina shoots the leg off a 5 year old girl
>Andrea finds out she has been sent to public school now
>Adelweiss is sobbing about having pissed herself still
>Hina is nearly arrested, Aiko shoots 2 cops and roofies a 3rd
>Hana revives the two cops Aiko killed and we frame Hasan Piker, who is currently fighting Sam Hyde in the streets of Leipzig
>Hasan Piker is sprayed with a full can of RAID by the Candyman himself

>>98371548
>Anyone here played with future darkness before?
The msin issue is that it's annoying as fuck to actually get the full material together for it. The magazine supplement leaves out the resources and humanity/empathy point cost for implants. The goal there was to trivk people into buying both the VtM and cyberpunk 2020 books to play.

I'd also suggest adding energy costs to using the implants. Since you're using DHX, use Chi from that book. Have Physical boosters cost yang chi and mental boosters/chips codt yin. Passives should cost 1 Chi every day as upkeep and activated implants use 1 chi on activate. This keeps shit from going too crazy.
>>98371649
Ptetty sure your elder killer would be at humanity 1

>>98371689
Fun things happen in the South of Japan.

>>98371707
>I'd also suggest adding energy costs to using the implants.
Eh, I'd say limit that to the cyber stuff. None of the bioware does any of the crazy shit like giving extra actions. The humanity loss for +1 strength is enough.

>>98371624
He was killed because he was supposed to take his brothers place & continue a bloodline but he lost his nerve & pulled out instead of getting her pregnant. Its less that God hates non-procration sex & more he wanted the bloodline to continue

>>98371708
Yeah. Oh, and Yakub turned Hibiki into a labubu for 1 hour because she made kool-aid pineapple.

R8 my CTL character.
>Wanted to be pretty so that the woman he loved would notice him
>Got turned into a Fairest because the Fae thought it would be fitting if they gave him his wish, Cinderella style
>Whatever the fuck they did to him, he no longer wants to be near her ever again and actively resents beauty

>>98371758
Is this like a "destroys all the mirrors in a room/house" sort of character?

So draining nodes out in the wilderness makes every plant and animal in the area die off in short order but what happens when you drain the ones in cities?

>>98371736
>Yakub
What are his spheres?

>>98370158
And even then they're only outnumbered because Horus is a hilariously picky bitch about who he recruits.

>>98371027
Setting one off set off the other other as a sympathetic reaction. Ghost nukes are finicky like that.

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>>98371791

>>98371810
If you were making Ubermensch would you recruit every single interested party?

>>98371810
To be fair, he has to be. The World of Darkness isn't exactly filled with good people who want what's best for humanity. The pickings for egypt themed paladins are pretty slim.

>>98371791
>>98371815
From my PoV a couple of angry dogmen will run after you because they can't growl at spiders to work on their computers anymore.

>>98371791
Urban decay speeds up, everything starts breaking down and people are in dogshit moods. Also the ratbros die.

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Considering people keep saying m20 is just horribly written and terrible to get into while revised has the most punishing paradox rules and what not, have there been attempts to fix this problem at all? Like, has anyone tried to make a dump of notes from m20 dissecting shit for the core rules? It just seems like maybe mage is less popular because of the specific issues of m20 and revised, and not just because mage spell autism or whatever. I've wanted to get into mage myself, but I never really notice people discussing already created or otherwise potential solutions to the problems of m20 or revised.

>>98371798
Life, Forces, and Spirit
He used electromagnetic/etheric energies to pull reduce the humanity from the demelanized offspring of his breeding program

>>98371840
Fix this problem? Just play
>1e
>Dark Ages
If you don't want to get assraped by Paradox

>>98371791
Your neighborhood starts to get really diverse

>>98371765
Yeah. And tried to rip his own face off

>>98371846
I'm not even entirely complaining about being ass-raped too hard by paradox, it just seems like the common complaint about revised is that it goes too far with its paradox rules. I'm also admittedly not as interested in dark ages. I'm mostly interested in a solution to m20 and revised because it seems like they're the go to editions for most of the community whenever people talk about mage. Also getting to use the more up to date content of the newer editions of mage is a nice bonus.

>>98371840
Its not worth fixing what's broken when you can just use other rules in the first place.
Some people run older editions
Some people treat Sorcerers like Mages
Some people use Dark Ages (my preferred fix)
Theres literal 1000s of pages of worthless stupid fart sniffing & poorly implemented rulings & rules drowning anything decent about M20. You can use it for the non-magical rules. Its got a good list of weapons & stuff like that, put as soon as you want magic, ditch it for something else. It doesnt take much effort to fill gaps either since the whole thing is largely free form to begin with.

>>98371846
what about sorcerers crusade?

>>98371758
Sounds okay. I had a guy maybe tangentially like that. He was taken by his Keeper to be a sex slave/art piece. He was half Fairest half Troll essentially a living marble statue holding up a huge corinthian pillar all day. He was completely broken mentally and was a Johnny Bravo type himbo that could only think to solve problems with strength or seduction, if he thought he couldnt contribute in some way he would start to spiral really badly. Another party member would act as his handler to give him nearly useless tasks when needed, to prevent this

>>98371810
I think if they could open up the Web of Faith & actually DO shit outside their region locks they'd be able to recruit more people. In anything, cults should be really inportant to Mummies where they care for the Mummies through their lifecycles but also to groom people to become new Mummies

>>98371921
>if they could open up the Web of Faith
Modern times doesn't exactly have another Jesus or Osiris around to create another holy city full of high True Faith believers, just to add One more thread to the web, let alone the thousands it'd take to expand across the globe.

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>>98371798
Correspondence: 3
Entropy: 6
Forces: 3
Life: 7
Matter: 7
Mind: 9
Prime: 4
Spirit: 2
Time: 6

Yes, I know spheres usually cap out at 6. However, consider he's older than Caine plus + he made white people.

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We deserve better bait.

>>98371958
Nah, any modern church has more followers than Jesus at their prime. The only reason the founders of subsets like Jehovah's Witnesses don't have something analogue ti the web of faith is because someone would sue shit.

>>98371990
I agree, m20 gets overly shat on when it was revised that introduced the avatar storm.

>>98371990
Nah we, and I mean me, are just that dumb.

>>98371990
Who's easier to bait, Mage players, Woof players, Technocracy fans, or Vampire players?

>>98372033
>any modern church has more followers than Jesus at their prime.
Doesn't really address the core issue:>>98369816
>There's a reason WoD says true faith is rarer today despite a higher volume of people going to church, modern people pick and choose what to follow about the religions they follow.
Religion isn't enough, mega-churches are full of people that go to spend money on feeling like they're a good person rather than actually practicing the rules in their books.
You can't even just blindly follow either, because most religions have core rules about needing to use your critical thinking skills and actually introdpect on the nature of morality. How many people are even will to introspect on whether they're wrong in an argument, let alone their core motivations and actions as a person?

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What if God was one of us
Just a slob like one of us
Just a stranger on the bus
Tryna make His way home?

>>98372057
>How many people are even will to introspect on whether they're wrong in an argument, let alone their core motivations and actions as a person?
...Is a negative score in True Faith a thing that can happen in wod?

>>98372061
Shouldn't it be "Satan" in this context, given it's presumably a demon singing it?

>>98372063
Yes actually. Mummy covers that, it's called a "Corruption" score. Lot's of modern people would probably have a Corruption of 1.

>>98372066
>>98372077
>Double Dubs
>The Trvkes they speak are Bleak
Are we cooked?

>>98372066
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jo4XXm8OUP4