Previous: >>98365729prEDH edition>Newshttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-banned-and-restricted-february-9-2026https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-february-9-2026>Current Banlisthttps://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned>Bracket Informationhttps://files.catbox.moe/4tbvzw.pnghttps://files.catbox.moe/r62yfy.png>Former Commander Website: Learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committeehttps://mtgcommander.net>Card Searchhttps://scryfall.com>Card Statistics: See what everyone else puts in their Commander decks based on what is posted to the Internethttps://www.edhrec.com>Deck List Sites: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choiceshttps://www.archidekt.comhttps://www.moxfield.com>Gay Bolashttps://files.catbox.moe/823tpq.png>Manabase Information: Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identityhttps://managathering.com>Proxy Guidehttps://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM>Preconshttps://magicprecons.com>tqWhat is your favorite commander that existed before 2011? What kind of gameplan you had with it?
>>98370358>TQI never cast him I just use him to get all 5 colors then play Hermit Druid :)
>>98370114They really gotta figure this shit out. I like the art of pic related but it looks like shit when paired with the ultra sleek mobile game tier frames modern magic cards use.
>tqWhile I have played magic on and off since 2000, I didn't have any desire to play Commander until 4ish years ago. So I don't have an answer. The oldest card I have as a commander now is Gisela, Blade of Goldnight.
Shit TQNew better TQ: Post your most hated, and egregious poorly designed cards of the last 5 years.
>>98370358Mono Brown fun stuff.Now, it's getting Mycosynth Lattice out and wiping my opponent's lands.
>>98370586why does it look... like that?
>>98370586Pic unrelated I assume. It's perfect engagement bait and for getting Timmies to self-report.
>>98370586Anon, this is the most nothing burger finisher, very few decks are going to actually use this and it's much weaker than both normal hoof or even moonshaker.Get help.
>>98370358I only have these 3. Ixidor is probably my favorite cause it's such an odd deck.
Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)
I love him and I'm gonna win a game by casting for X = 11 and putting like 40 1/1 counters on him with the right setup
Here is your token once-per-set slightly attractive female card, chud.Dont say I never gave you anything.
>>98370609No, its legit broken and going to warp commander, the format of artifact bullshit. Only a retard would think otherwise.
it's overhyped
Dude a Dragon Quest set would actually be so sick. Make it just like the FF set. Man i really want it now
>>98370747Too bad she's basically wearing a burka.
>>98370795>Modern Dragon Quest censored designs drawn by western artists commissioned by WizardsFucking no thank you.
>>98370759If you're generating 7 mana (including 3 red) and have enough creatures and artifacts on your board to win outright with this card you're already winning anyways. It's the definition of winmore and will basically see zero play.
>>98370759Shouldn't this be one of the highest played cards in the format then?You literally WIN with it. For free.
Remember how Jumbo Cactuar was going to warp the game around it?
>>98370842Only retards thought this unironically
>>98370842cEDH is all Jumbo Cactuar turbo now. The only thing that's going to stop it is Red Craterhoof
>>98370818NTA, but I hate the term "win more"Yeah, sure, you can be in positions where there is no to cast it to win, but you still do, but there are also plenty of times where you really need that trample break through.Also, if you're using a deck that just wants to slug everyone down, than anything that speeds it up like token doublers and impact tremors, that's not winning more, that's just accelerating your gameplan. Its a silly term.
>Have an Elminster deck>doesn't have a great scry payoff>get what I thought was the card of my dreams>"This ability triggers only once each turn."These are the worst words Magic has ever used. I'm legitimately seething right now
>>98370826You could easily win any given game with only the +4 and trample across the board with the new Crater, meanwhile this card requires that number to be at freaking 20 already AND for all your shit to survive an entire turn rotation.
>>98370957Looping this is just win-more. One fog is enough.
OOPS I DID IT AGAIN
but artifacts already have a craterhoof.
It's a bad card because, it just is, OKAY?!
>>98371064Zoomers don't understand how OP it is having a creature with 6 power and 4 toughness for only 6 mana.
>>98371081ludo kino
Back in my day, this was good enough as a finisher.
>>98371088Posting pictures was easier too
>>98371096This still gets W's here and there, but your right, nowadays you want something like Pathbreaker Ibex, the actual GOAT of this type of effect
>>98371096WTF this will make creature decks OP!
>>98370804what in tarnation are you on about
>>98371113What until you see this! The powercreep is REAL
>>98371131Pathbreaker Ibex has this as a repeated effect, strong ass goat
>>98370795You will never be Japanese
>>983710816 power for 6 mana?! No wonder green is the king of creature beatdowns. Vizzerdrix needs one more mana and even then it trades with craw wurm. Insane value. How can blue ever compete?
>>98371205peak magic
>>98370358>tqI'm relatively new to the game (started during ONE) but I've wanted to build a primeval dragon for a while, been considering oros since I don't have a mardu deck
>>98370842I warped my pod around simic labman/jumbocact/greater good combo in my freaking dreams
>no one remembers red's OG Craterhoof
I want to make a zen garden deck that isnt shrines. There are no rock creatures, far as I can tell. Suggestions?
>>98371319>No trample
>>98370759I won't even put this in my artifact deck because the effect being ETB kills it
>>98370358>What is your favorite commander that existed before 2011? What kind of gameplan you had with it?Nothing. Commander was not interesting at the time
>>98371334sagas
>Package from the otherside of the country arrived, when bought after, one from the same state.
What do you think is a civil amount of board wipes to run in a heavier deck? 2 seems almost too light, 3 seems respectable, but past that and I feel like it's already eye rolling territory, especially when they're using Farewell
>>98371392Who cares. The answer is as many as you think your deck needs.
I'm running Vivi Spell Copies. What are some fun spells to copy? Right now Ensared by the Mara and Tasha's Hideous Laughter put in some serious work
>>98371404Any voting spells.
>>98371420This card preys on the retardedt. retarded
>>98371420Snitch is the safe option.
>>98371420Splash some democracy while you're at it
>>98371420I tried this but if someone has used this before they all know to choose Silence. All it takes is one person at the table to explain how it works
>>98371420>Use this>Immediately someone yells out they are snitching
>removal.dec>completely shuts down 2 guys at the table>the third guy doesn't care and wins unimpeded
>>98371473You say that but I've tried to explain to my pod several times why they should always choose silence or never take the "tempting offer" cards but they never listen
>>98371420This card - like a real life Prisoner's Dilemma scenario - can be answered by simply murdering the person who opts to snitch.
>>98371338Bitch you're in red. If you're not running at least one of the dozens of "your creatures all have trample" cards then that's on you
>>98371420this is the best card ever printed
>>98371471voting =/= secretly choosing
Are there any interesting red decks?I really wanna build a red deck but I actually wanna use my brain while I'm playing it
>>98370747Shadowheart from Temu.
>>98371642red aggro has to use its brain because everyone's life total matters
Post the worst millenial humor flavor texts you've ever seen. I'll start
>>98370358>What is your favorite commander that existed before 2011? What kind of gameplan you had with it?This big badass fucker. I run it as ramp and dragon tribal. Vaevictis gets a shit ton of commander kills with his 3 color firebreathing. Every one underestimate him and spends their removal on my other dragons.
>>98371687MuldrothaYargle fanfic where?
>>98371687Fuck off retard
>>98370634How does your ixidor work?
>>98371687That one cringe one with squee and the catlady. Or maybe the obliteration one with the guys dog. Or even Reparations.
>>98371687the team ups are just shitty cards
Print it you cowards
>>98371750Coming closer to reality with Kamigawa meets Ikoria
>>98371573>dozensThere's no fucking way mono red has that many full board trample enablers.
>>98371642This guy is amazing.
>>98371756There are 15 in red.9 of those are tribe dependent.
>>98371762>9 of those are tribe dependentYeah so they're fucking useless.
>>98371762One of them (Archetype of aggression) also beats all other trample enablers.Namely because it removes trample from all your opponent's shit.
>>98370358>TQturns out having a 12+ power commander that dodges all spot removal and enables a lot of cards that care about greatest power has aged really well.
You sit down to play with someoneand they have a deck for every color pairso you ask>oh thats cool what do they do?>mill>oh ok, what else>mill, all of themwhat is your response
Building this now. And cool tech I should look out for before I dive into edhrec and scryfall?
>>98371793Show me the selesnya mill one
>>98371802self-mill
>>98371802Oh thats not me, its a hypothetical though Ive thought about doing it.Selesnya is pretty fucking difficult to do. Probably have to either pick the best artifact synergy commander or try to have everyone draw a ton idk. Maybe make a shit ton of tokens and sack them to force people to mill. The probably with that strat and a card like this>>98371809is that at that point you can just win with the tokens without milling and in John's case youre going to deal lethal commander before milling them out
Please say something nice about my wife.
>>98371842She reminds me of the sentinels from the matrix
>>98371842She makes retards seethe.
>>98371852How?
>>98371856>Bro I don't want to attack, bro I'm so sorry he's making me attack and I don't want to attack him because the spider will eat my 1/1
>>98371856Plebs don't like to be forced on what to do.
>>98371856She makes games not take an hour and a half. It might not be you, but someone is going to win sooner than control and pillow fort players would prefer.
>>98371842luv me forced attacks
People are honestly such whiny bitches about stax pieces
>>98371897Kill yourself staxnigger
>>98371786he's my goat, love this turbo draw green fatty
>>98371897some people want to play the game
>>98371904I think people would rather bitch about how I'm not letting them play turbo solitaire over playing the game
>>98371897imo it's just another wincongetting locked out on turn 8 is not very different from getting hoofed by 20 1/1s on turn 8I will shake your hand and go next if I'm pretty sure I can't win though, we're not playing for money after all
>older friend decides to get into magic again tonight >He asked if I could update one of his decks for him since he never did it>TFW it's one of the worse decks I've seen>TFW I remembered I made it for him years ago when I started deckbuilding and not buying precons.
>>98371897My regular pod hate forcefield more than they hate static orb. I don't get it. I get hating getting locked out of the game, but only being able to do one damage if I'm holding up mana somehow makes them seethe more.
>>98371897Honestly, people don't bitch about them enough. They deserve infinitely more hate.
>>98371856She drags games down to a crawl. All everyone wants to do is do everything they can to not attack. Even if their deck would have wanted to attack. Being forced to do something slows shit down to an unbearable pace as everyone else is trying to find a way not to do it.
>>98371941I learned this playing jon irenicus, all I did was give people unblockable 1/1s that must attack and every game they bitched and played weird
>>98371920Your old sins are coming back to haunt you. What was the deck?
so this card becomes instant game changer the second it releases right?
>>98371951I've noticed they've printed a bunch of draw a card commanders in the past 2 sets
>>98371937Why, it protects being able to play strategies other than timmy draw-your deck-combo
>>98370358>What is your favorite commander that existed before 2011? What kind of gameplan you had with it?REJECT MODERNITYEMBRACE TRADITION
>>98371951>First noncreature>Have to discardYeah, no.
>>98371974>make a guy
>>98371974Yeah it's not like white is one of the colors that likes putting things in it's graveyard
>>98371947It was Wilson, Refined Grizzly / Flaming Fist before 2022 I played with nothing but precons Anje was one of my last ones
>wilson
>>98370842>>98370842I already have a reanimator Garland deck maybe I should pick a Jund commander and put big cactus on the board..
>>98371703Free casting morph via colorless cost reducers, flip for 3 or less, return to hand, repeat. The are a couple non-deterministic infinites.
>reality fracture is Jace rewriting the history of the universe to be what it "should be">He's doing away with Asians for blacksWhat is wotc mean by this
What are the best cards for the scepter?
>>98370358>tqStill run her. Always liked cards with her flavor text and I think spellshapers are a great and underutilized card type.I built her because some guy at the LGS said mono-red burn was shit in EDH.It's just mono-red burn. Has a surprisingly high win rate.
>>98371334Zen gardens are all about rocks, right? Toggo, goblin weaponsmith
>>98372158>underutilized there are like 5 mechanics that basically do what the idea of a spellshaper was at this point
>>98372144
>>98370358>TQKami of the Crescent Moon. You've seen the meme, it's basically Owling Mine scaled up to 4 players. Loads of fun at lower power tables. >>98371786>>98371901I just converted my Ghalta to Multani and it's so much more fun, the card velocity is insane. I'm shocked he's not a more popular pick.
>>98372237>Kami of the Crescent Moon. You've seen the meme, it's basically Owling Mine scaled up to 4 players. Loads of fun at lower power tables.Kami was one of my first meme decks back in the day (2009). I ended up finding out about pic related and went full on him. It's a bracket two deck that everyone loves to play against and still wins pretty often.
I really like bounty counters thematically but how do I actually win with this guy without doing something boring like Second Sun?I guess I could do >hurr durr Orzhov Vampiresbut that doesn't seem very group huggy.
>>98372276>end step trigger>but not in blue so no Y'shtola
>>98371420This card is funny but it only gets funnier when it gets copied. If someone snitches on the first round the second round just turns into a circus.
>>98371961Ah yes, draw go rule of law propaganda is really engaging
>>98372346this but ionically
>>98371941Making people squirm sounds based
The fuck whitey gonna do?
>>98372356It sounds funny but that's not what's actually going to happen. People will just stare at their hands. Tap and untap a few lands and repeat on and on for about ten to twenty minutes a turn and then not cast anything and just pass. And that's me low balling how bad it will really be. The reality will be worse. It's the driest and most unengaging games you can imagine.
>>98372276>that doesn't seem very group huggyI personally don't understand how you win with Group Hug decks in general.
>>98372412There are plenty of good Group Hug Cards/Commanders that let you walk out with you getting the most benefit
>>98372414I was thinking of building the gay boys but I have no idea where to start.
>>98372430Just play all the good stuff Group Hug cards then use your free lands to play some big timmy X-costers or abuse landfall
>>98372430I know someone who played this with every shitty chaos card
>>98372276Replying to my own post, think I'm gonna go with Extort. Normally with something that hits the entire table like extort I would be wary about my own defenses but SURELY people won't be angry I drain everyone for 2 if I also heal them back later, it's still a net gain of life for me.
>>98372412It's a style that to win with either requires you to be playing with idiots or requires you to act like a fag and try to guilt trip people whenever anyone even attempts to interact with you or attack you. Otherwise everyone would know you need to be taken out immediately.
>>98372363Got a perfect commander for that.
>>98372460always kill group hugger first
>>98372476>... said the Green player.
>>98372476Yeah no I'm putting blinders on and full swinging against the guy ramping out several lands every single turn. He's up to some shady fuckin shit
>>98372493Not my problem you tards rule 0'd MLD.
>>98372476This has quite literally never failed me. The idiot sending both of my other opponents and himself +3 on cards every turn and +4 on mana has to fucking die. There is no magical way group hug ever wins but it's strengthening my enemies so much I'd be stupid not to kill it first. Don't ever get guilt tripped just kill it.
>>98372476Exactly. The fags will try to guilt trip you and whine but they need to be taken out as soon as possible.
>>98372506thanks I needed landfall triggers
>>98372507I think that's the thing players fail to understand. The group hug player isn't just drawing you one card or whatever the fuck they try to do. They're drawing your other two opponents and often themselves with extra cards too. It's badly skewed against you unless you do something about it fast.
Very proud of my high quality tokens i just made (idk how to draw)
>>98372506Land destruction is the biggest meme against landfall players
>>98372556cute :)
>>98372523>>98372558wotc ruined mld by printing this shit on every other green card in the past couple yearsand that's a bad thing
>>98372563Land denial is the worst mechanic in magic so what's the issue
>>98372568except that's card denial. including discard and that is a-ok in low brackets
>>98372580Not really, if you're hand ripping very efficiently then your deck is obviously too optimized and synergistic for 2 anyway.If you're just occasionally making people discard a card or two then that's not an issue yeah.
>>98372556Bottom middle should be a knight
>>98372560Thanks c:>>98372604Oh huh why?
>>98372612Because he looks like he is going into battle and needs only my finest potions
I'm missing one card for my deck and could use something more expensive to balance my curve. What's the biggest timmy card you can think of in Mardu?
>>98372629How much mana exactly
It's getting difficult for me to ignore how much I wanna build tribalshit merfolk.
>>98370358>TQThe idea here is to throw a large robot or object at someone. I still run him to this day.
>build deck>realize too late that it is a fucking nightmare to keep track of in paper
>>98372643Me when I used this card in a token deck
Man i almost pulled a Laboratory Maniac deck-out win today I was like 50 cards deep and had to remind the Niv Mizzet player "hey I'm gonna win but since I'm going one by one, any response Mr. Red and Blue with 5 open mana" He did stop it, but with stuff like this should I still do a polite reminder or just you snooze you lose, go next round
>>98372636Do it. It's strong and synergistic as fuck
>>98372756I've pulled it off a few times with this dude. Respond to his trigger by flashing out LabMan, it's a little game to try and time it when everyone's tapped out/can't respond. The Walls of Ba Sing Se was a *massive* upgrade
>>98372629ruinous ultimatum
>>98372158they just spoiled a spellshaper, yknow (although obviously it's missing the creature type)
>>98372920Ewwww white Liliana
Is this dude fun to pilot? Been looking for a gunslinger type Commander and him following 1 pings up with a double barrel blast is sick as fuck
>>98372363
>>98372968He seems cool but i can never touch him because of that one wotc shill on tiktok
>>98372638Cool card, he reminds me of classic yugioh monsters. Mirrodin had some great stuff
>>98372643>autistic person realizes that there are practical considerations beyond his autismmany such cases
>>98370358ice age block kino
>>98371695>>98370371cool
Thrax. My b4 build just stunts on nibbas. best I ever got him out was t2 with gemstone cavern, sol ring, dark ritual, pyretic ritual and other lands and playing on curve when no one has anything in hand to counter withno creatures you play stay on the board. then the wheel of fortune to stock the hand with counterspells and he aint going NO WHEREevery one dies to 21 commander damage (or even faster with Ramses Assassin Lord causing everyone else to lose)
>>98373104this was to answer the TQ
>>98371687TM is still the best example for the worst thing in magic.
>>98373108>>98373104Every Thraximundar player I've encountered has been a cry baby retard. Thanks for reinforcing my beliefs
>>98373142this is what anti-UB retards champion btw
>>98373179Aetherdrift is UB
>TQI have a Mochi deck. It draws cards and wins with labman. I have things like Mischievous Mystic that make a big board and can in theory win with combat damage with those and/or things that grow when I draw, but usually I just use them to pillowfort until everyone is shields down and I can combo to draw my entire deck. Preferably at instant speed with High Fae Trickster or Borne Upon a Wind.
did they announce a LORE card yet this is the funniest thing I've ever seen from Star Trek and I don't know shit about it really other than William Shatner was in the OG ones and that gay bald man from X men with the telekinetic wheel chair is in the later ones and the blind black man with the computer vision goggles. but when this meme dropped I had to torrent the 'sode and it was goofy asl
>>98373145heh heh you've never met me. you'll be the one crying, shiddin, pissing and saying "well thats why I dont play bracket 4!!!!"
>>98373145pictured is (you)
The funniest thing about people who hate UB is that since UB sets became a thing they have to hype up every in universe set despite the fact that they were the same people shitting on every modern set saying how dogshit the cards and story are. Now they have to pretend shit like the most recent Tarkir set was actually phenomenal.We could literally get UB - hot bikini bitches and some people would still perform olympic level gymnastic routines to tell you why wakanda the set is better. Thats a thing too man so many recent planes/sets are just so shameless in what theyre copying that it almost goes beyond inspiration>Harry Potter but MTG>Kaiju Fights but MTG>Wakanda but MTG
>>98373145>yes I have a mox diamond I bought for $75 in 2010>yes I have a French volcanic island I bought in 2011 for $40>yes I have unlimited copies of Acid Rain and Copy Artifact to have 2 sol rings on t1 and destroy your shit after THRAX is out>yes I have a Terese Nielsen Force of will and YES I'm using it on your Swordsany questions??
>>98373247>ubtards are pornbrained zoomersWow!
Started a new project. My brother has a bunch of decks that are literally "these are all the cards i own of this color", so in order to power down slightly I've been instituting a rule my 99 can only have cards from the block my commander's from. I've yet to use any post-block commanders so I'm not sure what I'll do there, but it's been a lot of fun. It also shows me the fucking power creep over the years. This has been my blog, thank you.
>>98372363We have a dragon.
>>98373230>>98373244>>98373254heh, nothin personnel kiddos
>>98373294Post-block mqybe just limit it to the plane they're from.
>>98373266don't you have a dead thread to necro?
>>98373247Naw, when it's shit, it's shit. Lorwyn was good, dragonstorm was good, and before that... Ixalan? But I heard limited was a mess. I have hope, no hype. Zhalfir might be good, I have no hope for cyperpunk plane and am sad they are using Ikoria to feed it cause I like Ikoria. Nauctus looks good.Until reality fracture is out I won't know what they're doing with the story all all, so I can't comment much on that. It's a huge shame that the introduced loot and valgavoth just to drop them off the face of the earth.
>>98372636Might as well. Hell, new set next year is probably gonna have some cool cards to use with it
>>98372962I think that's the point yeah
>>98373266>anti UB fags are gay Puritans that put 90s soccer moms to shame
I'm starting to get LGS fatigue. More and more of the players I find are new/UB tourists/terrible/genuinely have some form of mental retardation, and the ones that are at least semi-competent keep joining the growing CEDH crowd where they play the exact same decks while agreeing to a draw ad infinitum.
>>98373247>wanpiss garbage eater spic retard not only has shit taste but also has no idea what he's talking aboutthe overlap between people who bitched about hat sets, which were all UW, and people who bitch about UB sets, is like 90%. yeah people liked Dragonstorm because while it was worse than og khans it was coming on the heels of 80s movie set, Racecar set, Cowboy set and Detective set if people are excited for the '27 lineup it's because it looks better than what we've been getting.
>>98373362speaking of newbies. got another story why I hate playing against them>be red>play ruination>fucks over the 5c slop pile and slow down the comboplayer who runs way too few basics for a 2 color deck>take out a player>boardwipe from comboplayer so they can keep digging>5 color player has done nothing but play land pass, full grip>comboplayer pillowforts to survive another turn so they can do the thing>5 color player has finally gotten to play a couple things>tell him I can kill the combo player if they remove ghostly prison>they refuse saying they'd rather get comboed out than letting me play. out of spite presumably>5c pile had a farewellhe could have won against me 1v1 but chose not to even try
>>98373363>wanpissI saved the image because I thought it was funny I dont read or watch one piece, and yeah the 80s stuff was the worst part of Duskmourn but every other aspect of the set and plane was kino and far more interesting than boring ass Dragonstorm.The other 3 sets sure yeah a lot of stupid shit in them sure but they have more cool shit than theyre given credit for. More cool shit than Dragonshit for sure.Also its funny you say I have no idea what Im talking about when you are literally doing EXACTLY WHAT I SAID IN MY POST.Only talking about hat sets meanwhile glazing the absolute snore inducing return to tarkir and softlaunching support for the most uninspired copy paste africa wakanda plane. Give me a million final fantasy sets over that. Water world looks cool, and the kaiju set will have some cool visuals, unfortunate they had to neuter two established planes to do so
>>98373393I did not glaze Dragonstorm you Guatemalan retard. this is yet another demonstration of you not understanding what you're talking about >Give me a million final fantasy sets over that.well. I don't know about a million, but yes I also liked FF better than Dragonstorm
>>98373387>Play ruination>Opponents don't play with me>WTF?
>>98373247I actually think the only set I'm looking forward to is the African set because it has to have cool spirits
>>98373247Personally my favorite anti-UBtards are the hard LARPers. People that started the game with LTR at the absolute earliest saying that UB is ruining the game when in reality UB is the reason they know the game exists at all.
>sealandLess than 5% chance of a monk>kamigawa 3Monk probable. A giant fighting robot monk Lord would be pretty cool.>zhalfir I really really hope they don't print a monk Lord in this set
>>98373362>too ironypilled to just play his favorite character/theme>too sweaty to tolerate noobs being dumb>too casual to appreciate cedh>not smart enough to realize that the issue with cedh is not the homogenization (that's actually a feature) but that draws are not being punished as lossesyou are just dumb thus unpitiable, enjoy your suffering because I sure am
>>98373393Dragonstorm had gay sex between Ugin and Bolas so that immediately puts it in top 0.1% of MtG stories, landing it in the "it's actually decent" tier.
>>98370747>it's another "pornbrains invent an issue and then get mad about it" episode
>>98373362I mean, new isn't bad, I like new players, it's fun to me to teach people and play my tutorial commander deck to keep things really simple so they can learn. But there's a big difference between new players and retarded players so I get where you're coming from
>>98373359>being pure is badlmao
>>98373416>Kamigawa x Ikoria>MonksYou will get vehicles and you will like it.
>>98373425UW is pure suck that's for sure lol
>>98373416>kamigawa 3>3
>>98373417I know this is bait but ok let's examine this.>too ironypilled to just play his favorite character/themeI don't have a "favorite character" from a children's IP who I basedjak over as I'm not a literal 13 year old.>too sweaty to tolerate noobs being dumbA bad player is alright here and there, but it gets exhausting and boring when everyone is a noob.>too casual to appreciate cedhActually it's the opposite. cedh is for 60-card rejects. It's the casual of competitive, much like the special olympics.>not smart enough to realize that the issue with cedh is not the homogenization (that's actually a feature) but that draws are not being punished as losses>everyone plays the same handful of decks so it's a featureYeah, and it's a bad feature as an offshoot of the format where you can literally build any deck you desire.
>>98373247>Wakanda but mtgYou do know that zhalfir being afrofantasy predates anyone giving a shit about Wakanda (the MCU's depiction of it.)?
>>98373438>muh children's IP>when mtg is for 13+stopped reading right there, dumdum thinks he's supposed to be taken seriously LOL
>>98373441It's embarrassing seeing grown men say straight-faced Y'shtola is their favorite character.
>>98373460It's embarrassing seeing grown ass men act like faggots but we're still letting you talk
>>98373464Fucking seethe ubtourist rofl
>>98373460It is embarrassing seeing a grown man complain about something so trivial.
>>98373470>>98373308
>>98373471If your favorite character in all of media is an MMO catgirl you've suffered from some variety of arrested development and are a manchild.
>>98373438nta but it genuinely sounds like he hit the nail on the head when he called you too ironypilled to actually like things. I've played this game for 25 years and not once would I ever describe the average EDH player as even reasonably competent.
>>98373480>>98373471
>>98373480>meanwhile nobody has an mtg character as their favoriteoof
>>98373482Then you joined EDH too late. The average EDH player used to be a 60-card player or an expat from standard or modern or legacy playing casually. Now Magic players first experience the game through commander and it shows.
>>98373470Got his ass lmaoThe fun thing with UBfaggots too is you never see a Commander that isn't the face of a precon, or the 7 different versions of Curoudo.
>>98373491Responding to yourself is shameful.
>>98373496Watch out anon he's gonna hit you with an edited version of his replies that only shows one (you) next
>>98373491Yep. Whenever people post their commanders these days it's all precon slop. I wouldn't even care if they were mechanically interesting, but it's always the dullest goodstuff heap imaginable. Then they get defensive when you call their decks slop.
>>98373478rent free
>>98373503Well then how about you post your cool commanders to make the thread better?
>>98373490>The average EDH player used to be a 60-card playeryou mean a kitchen table player and they also sucked at the game>an expat from standard or modern or legacy playing casually.you mean those guys that you hate playing at your basement because they just keep stomping you in a casual format? well you drove them off silly that's why you're left with the people you play with
>>98373516no u
>>98373520>you mean a kitchen table player and they also sucked at the gamelol NO newfag
>>98373509UB pays the bills so that you can proxy and play the game for free btw, reminder that the pigs win
>>98373525>he's calling (You) a newfag for mentioning that 60-card kitchen table used to existbwahahaha
>>98373490The "average" EDH player in the era you're referring to wasn't a dedicated EDH player. They used the format to screw around and kill time with literal binder chaff before 60-card events because they were too socially inept to play D&D or a real card game. Very few people actually played EDH in this window and almost nobody actually took any of the rules seriously. This is also assuming they were good at type 2 which most of them were not because the average type 2 player was way worse at the time.Modern wasn't even a format at this time. If you want to fast forward for 2011 (when Modern was made), this is also when we got Commander 2011 and Innistrad, where cEDH was just starting to take off as an idea because people were now building dedicated EDH decks. The top 2 decks were, without question, Zur the Enchanter and 5c Hermit Druid (the latter of which didn't even want to cast its general/commander). However the average player didn't know this because, again, the average player was horrible at the game. Most players still didn't know Mystic Remora was one of the best 1-drops in the format. This is where the shift began from players being shit because they were bad type 2 players that didn't give a rat's ass about the format to players being shit because it's their first format. Notice how at no point in this transition was the average player actually good at the game.So I'm calling this claim out as LARP. The only reason the players seemed better in the past was likely because you yourself were worse at the game and didn't realize how they were constantly making obvious mistakes and bitching about things that made no sense, because you fucking agreed with them and thought nothing of it.
UW cucks are uppity today 474 UB commanders in 202695 UW conndanders in 2026current totals according to scryfall.
>>98373417>60% of decks run force of will>morons legacycedh is the absolute worst format in any card game
>>98373531Magic could have gone on without UB. It just wouldn't be a billion dollar franchise suffering from all the consequences anything so successful has.>>98373548Impressive you can type that entire rant out and still be so wrong.
>>98373557>60% of decks run force of willthat's an R&D issue where they refuse to print edh-appropriate thoughtseize cards, cedh players absolutely would love to rip cards from 3 people's hands if they could
>>98373558I actually played the game at the time. You did not. This format was always comprised of horrendously incompetent players and the fact you have no refutation is itself evidence that I'm right and you know it, but want to pretend otherwise because it would mean acknowledging there was a period of time where you, like 100% of other players, sucked at the game.
>>98373521Okay here you go, these are my fellas. Thoughts?
>>98373460She's saucy and likes to tease the WoL so she's memorable. I think the only bad thing about her characterization is that she tends to deliver deus ex machinae. I played the deck with 'Raha and was actually surprised how much I liked it even if he's a pretty terrible all things considered. Estinien best Scion]/spoiler]
>>98373558>Magic could have gone on without UBwotc could've also gone on without being bought by hasbro, but where were your tears back then? oh that's right you're too dumb to think through these things and we're just humoring you for shits and giggles
>>98373568>They're never going to print a card so unfun it ends up on the GC list in under a monthYeah real genius over here.
>>98372556>Vampire demon is a jewkek.I'm always glad to see personal tokens, be it like this, professional, or ai coom. Keep having fun with the game anon.
>>98373584yes it will absolutely end up a GC so it doesn't affect your b2 timmy pod, why are you mad again?
>>98373587Because they print cards to sell to players, not LARPers.
>>98373592>Because they print cards to sell to players, not LARPersis that why collectors boosters are chock full of GC cards?
>>98373595>Chock full?When was the last time this happened other than strixhaven
>>98373595Why aren't the bonus sheets full of new cards strong enough to see cEDH play? Surely the card you're suggesting would sell more product since the secondary market wouldn't even be an option.
idk how people are larping that Magic players aren't 10x worse in the current yearthe game is more popular than ever--It's a magnet for stupid people
>>98373600Mox Jasper in Tarkir
>>98373611You believe Mox Jasper is a Game Changer or is destined to be one?
>>98373600>uh-oh he doesn't know about tutors in avatar
>>98373622All one of them, which is also not GC.
>>98373610If you wanted the most rule savvy mtg players to know and play the game you'd play cedh, but inb4 your tard rage over that ofc
>>98373627Kekaroo
>>98373618Yes it's one of the strongest cards in the game right now.
>>98373634Thanks for letting us know we can write you opinions off.
>>98373605Why isnt UW strong enough that UB wouldnt be needed in the first place?
>>98373635Wrong but okay. You got btfo on avatar btw.
>>98373638You gave the counterpoint to your own argument>WotC is doing UB because they want more money than equivalent UW cards>They are refusing to print your desired card>Therefore the conclusion can be drawn that your card would not make them more money than a different card
>>98373647Wotc wouldve gimped you from having reprints whether it's UB or UW, but thanks for admitting UB sells because UW is such a trashfire :)
>>98373653>WotC would'veConjecture. Doesn't address the question. If 4p Thoughtseize would be both healthy for the game and a bigger money card than a reprint, why haven't they printed it?
>>98373659>why don't people always do the correct action 100% of the time?because they're stupid, like you
>>98373675Cool theory, unfortunately it doesn't line up with how set design has ever worked.If they think a novel idea has promise, they'll print it. If they're concerned about its impact, they'll make it overcosted.Since Duress was printed in 1998 and Thoughtseize was printed in 2007, both predate Commander receiving official product. Let's be generous and say this only started in 2011. Why didn't they try even once in 15 years? Surely a 4 mana Thoughtseize for 4 players would be a safe card in power level.
>>98373696>yeah it also took wotc THIS long to give mono white *some* tools, but i will ignore this and other design issues because i have a hate boner for people looking and touching my hand
>>98373696Nta but Thoughtseize is already a busted card and people don't realize it
>>98373708Not comparable, in Magic we can draw cards to refill our hand with new answers.
>>98373704Non sequitur. White has historically been stronger than both red and green in Commander for basically its entire lifespan while remaining a great splash color in eternal formats off the back of Silence and StP/PtE. The fact this color was relevant for 20 years is exactly why it didn't get flashy new tools like green and red did.
>>98373723so mono white is supposed to suck forever right because wotc intentionally in their infinite wisdom doesn't buff the color? got it senpai haha
>>98373730Another non sequitur. Mono any color is functionally extinct outside Pauper and sometimes red in Standard. By this logic blue needs more tools because monoblue isn't played in Legacy. If anything this is an example of the color pie working when mono color decks don't work because their weaknesses are too pronounced.
>>98372968Yeah but he's also the best pingers commander with so he's expensive as shit
>>98373708That's a different discussion entirely although I agree with you.
>>98373775there's no reason for the powerlevel of mono white vs mono green to be so disparate, but naturally for you "it doesn't count" because really you're just being disgenuous due to having been caught being a scrub that hates having people touch your cards lmao
>>98373824Irrelevant in every sense. Not only is monogreen not viable, but this isn't even related to your premise of black needing an added tool in 4 player (where it is already the second strongest color). If anything you have undermined your own premise by saying weak colors need more tools while your argument hinges on an already strong color getting another tool.Post the Good Morning Magic image now.
>>98373830>Not only is monogreen not viablemono green at least has a cedh deck that is far more capable than mono white and... heliod? keklmao you're such a scrub it's hilarious
>>98373841White also has Oswald. Still worse than Lumra.
>>98373633That's not a real reprint in the avatar set - it's basically a SLD in commander bundle with special boosters.
>>98373841>Has a cEDH deckNo it doesn't. A deck that's less than 1% of the field is not viable.
>>98370358OP HERE:>>98370371ngl, true classic>>98370586fuck off, newfag>>98370591I kinda did this with Arcum Dagsson, my friends used to call the deck "the swiss knife">>98370634in ~2010 a friend at college used the Glint-Eye Nephilim, tons of fun with these guys and we all treated them as leggies because, why not. What's your gameplan with it?
>>98370842no, I don't>>98370957very nice>>98371081Oh my days, you guys.>>98371282Oros is VERY nice to build, had a Crosis, back in the day, friends had the others. You go for color-changing fx or what?>>98371352That's a fascinating way to say, "I wasn't there". Also, EDH wasn't interesting? Funny how millions of players somehow kept it alive long enough for (you) to discover it.
>>98371786Never saw anyone go for this, must be hilarious to pilot>>98371901VERY nice.>>98371967Yes, my friend>>98372158Had the surge foil of her since launch, got at a champs with friends. Very nice art and card. Based, anon.>>98372237Kami of the Crescent Moon is another one that I never saw (irl) anyone using it, but I agree with you, it must be a very nice XP
>>98372469nice>>98372556ngl, I like it>>98372638Nice! What robots you used to throw? Please say trisk>>98373049A man of culture aswell>>98373222Wish I could play with you, anon
>>98373885>uh don't think about how mono white is dirt sucking shit compared to mono green... it doesn't count!kek keep seething scrub i bet you'll cry too once they make primetime and emrakul GCs
>>98373254me irl>>98373487I do like Garth because Arena was my first MTG romance, but Freyalise in Ice Age era was a character that I fell in love as a teen hahahha>>98373574VERY nice, anon. How'd you build Zabaz? I hade a Hope of Ghirapur deck, shit was wack
>>98373913>>98373909>>98373905>>98373898>>98373887Least obvious discord tourist
>>98370358 (OP)Still OP HERE:>>98371695Based asf. I still have 5 full white-border EDHs with the OG's (picrel: my full white-border EDHs with the 5 original + Piru (custom made commander with white border and art from the HQ with Blackblade) + Ugin (custom made card because a friend challenged me to do a colorless white-border EDH). My tattoo artist friend also made a custom face card for the decks. And tokens I painted myself)
>>98373918miss me with your shit, fren. here's your (you)
>>98373912Irrelevant and ad hominem. Now that you're out of arguments you've resorted to attempting to appeal to emotion. Epic fail!
>>98373935your scrubby hot takes are the only irrelevant thing here fyi ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>>98371771No that means they're useful in 9 unique types of decks.
>>98373417ill admit im kind of stupid but does draw=loss actually change the calculus much. like if i'm going to lose should i not threaten to kingmake because i have nothing to lose and potentially the game might eventually progess to a state where i can win? this would still just make games go to time.
>>98373928>zoomerbabble>trying too hard to fit inYou need to be 18 to post here
>>98373953You're full of shit, kid. I'd be your dad if your mom had five bucks in change.
>>98373945>Makes stupid claim>Gets refuted>Pretends to be smug about it>Repeat this every dayMust be sad being (You)
>>98373977Now you're really trying too hard
>>98373985funny i'm not the one mad that cedh is full of force of wills to begin with KEK
>>98373526not the own you think it is
>>98373247No I haven't been happy about anything in a long time, if anything I AM consistent and nothing else.
>>98373952kingmake all you want, the point is the game has to have a winner (pick the guy who's jib you like the cut off idc) and playing for draws only incentivize collusion and manipulation to get to top cut
>>98373996So far you're pretending three different anons are one person. It's pretty obvious you're new to the game, so you should focus on getting more experienced with the game before making claims you can't substantiate.
Where's all the food cards in the Hobbit?
>>98374013Here you go bro
>>98374007if three different anons bothered to reply in your favor that only means they agree with you so no practical difference, you just mad that you're being lumped together as the three stooges, only fitting
>>98373638because it's a new audience with new wallets. can't drain one fanbase forever
>>98373487I like Garruk, I hate how people mispronounce his name all the time as Garrick.
>>98374001>see this e-celeb who's such a pig for marvel he calls himself theasianAVENGER? that means UW is good writinghahaha
>>98374022The fact you feel a need to bring up your argument unprompted regularly speaks more to your insecurity than your attempts to project an image of amusement ever will.
>>98371786uhhhI just block with this 1/1 token that everything shits out these days?>inb4 I give it trample
>>98373556There are more than 500 EDH decks in the world you fucking retard.
>>98374042prEDH, my fellow negro
>>98373556quantity.. yahoo.
>>98374047????????????????????????
>>98374033If someone complains about FoW in cedh then it's just logical to reply with thoughtseize (discard being the natural counter to counters), not my problem you get so assblasted by the thought of people touching your hand, run brainstorm why dontcha pfft
>>98374042It has shroud, so can't do that unless it's a blanket effect.
>>98374057op said aged well, obviously meaning today's decks
>>98374074for starters
>>98374074lurk more
>>98374069Begone schizo.
>>98374032nice deflection
>Jimothy's Understandment1ArtifactWard - Skip your next 3 card draws.Triggered abilities can't cause players to draw cards. 5, t: Until end of turn, whenever a non-mana ability resolves, it's controller loses 2 life.
back you your custom card general fucko
>come to the conclusion that all women actually love anal and ass play, they just pretend not to until you warm them up.>As an enlightened man, have just finished ass fucking my 14th womanCommanders for this feel?
>>98374072You are doing little to dispel the insecure image you are projecting.
>>98374109Because this didn't happen.
>instantly win the game if you can mill your entire deck in sultaiwow great design space we're exploring with this one
>>98374125There's nothing more insecure than whining about fow in cedh
>>98374101Better‘Fuck you pizza’(1), artifact foodTriggered abilities can’t create tokens, and cannot cause player to draw cards. (3), (sacrifice this food): gain 3 life, then until your next turn, players cannot draw cards or make tokens.
>>98373913My Zabaz deck is a bit strange right now. It ended up somewhere between midrange and eggs because my friends are allergic to infinite combos. Usually it just wins off a large Wake the Past or Scrap Mastery.>>98373909I used to run Triskelion way back when because he's kind of neat with damage doublers. I cut him in favor of Combustible Gearhulk when Kaladesh was released though. I could try to find a spot for him, I have this pretty cool looking one from Dominaria Remastered that I want to use.>>98373919Cute bunny and would play all of these decks.
>>98374142You seem very fixated on this.
>>98374138what doesn't instantly win you the game these days tho
>>98373487I liked Gideon but he's fucking dead
>check in thread>autistic anti ub retard>spergs >mass reply namefagI just wanted to talk about tabletop games
>>98374153>Usually it just wins off a large Wake the Past or Scrap Mastery.as it should be. Trisk, I use the unlimited one in the Ugin white-bI made these decks to play among themselves with my friends. All of'em have at least 1 card with ante and we apply the ante rule in every game (normally 10-15 games in a day, them we put the cards where they originally belong)Lola said: thx fren
I just got into commander, and my friend gave me a Krenko deck. I am having fun making a gorillion goblins. Are there any other major "archetypes" that are fun that I should try?
>>98374218I'd try something diferent like dogs tribal
>>98374138Sultai and graveyard decks in general are the 2nd most insipid and boring shit in this game, only beat by comboslop.
>>98374205yet, you choose to just complain about shit unrelated to TTG. well done!
>>98373460>>98373464its embarrassing to see grown men say they like any final fantasy game after 12next Final Fantasy block they need ACTUAL FF5 representation and NOTHING after X or maybe 11 for the few people left alive that actually played that GōtC (with special attention to the liguistic accent over the "O" for the abbreviation pronunciation) will never have the BALLS to do it....
>>98374156I dunno man looks like some was proven to be wrong so badly they just want to have the last word
>>98374243The first set should've been 1-5 and the next 6-10.
>>98374100but enough about your dead thread
>>98374246Never put back into Standard since Theros btw. You can keep clinging to imaginary glory days but the reality is you're washed because you can't get boosted by a braindead card.
>>98374254>this scrub that can't let go of 2013 theros standard is the one calling (You) fixated fyi
oh yeah here's my THRAX deck, now quit your shiddin and pissing
>>98374258Roru rumao the washed scrub is talking about his top 32 finish from 13 years ago again
>>98374268>now show on the doll where thoughtseize hurt you so much that you quit 60 card and went to /edhg/
>>98374275>I- I was so good 13 years ago when Thoughtseize made the game skilled!>I wasn't being carried by a busted card!>No I won't play Legacy or Modern where my opponents can deal with it. I need it in the kiddie pool format!
>>98374259staple pile
>>98374285>i hate it that the legacy and modern people are now playing edh and are influencing design!!yeah that's right cry more let it all out nigga hahaha
>>98374133Did the 12th doctor get retconned out of existence? Is that the joke?
>>98374287Yet you come to /edhg/ because you got laughed out of /mtg/. Weird. Almost like you haven't accomplished anything in 10 years and are pining for the days you can be carried by a busted card against bad players.
>>98374299>Yet you come to /edhg/ because you got laughed out of /mtg/massive projectiontry complaining about discard there and get laughed out of there yourself
>>98374305Go ahead. Ask for Thoughtseize back in Standard to stop all those evil combo boogeymen.
>>98374292dr who has been a joke for some time now, their cancelled 2026 christmas special can confirm
>>98374286>NOOOO YOU CAN'T USE ACTUALLY GOOD CARDS YOU HAVE TO USE RANDOM CHAFF
>>98374307>yeah i want to run thoughtseize against a midrange metayour ignorance that thoughtseize is actually boarded out in jund mirrors is just proof that you are an idiot that might just also be autistic enough to hate cards being flicked, makes sense that mentally disabled people have nothing to contribute
>>98374315Yet despite knowing this supposedly elite knowledge, you can't even win a challenge or league on MTGO. How pathetic.
>>98374299Nigga I'm pretty sure everyone into MTG goes into literally all these threads because /tg/ is a slow, stable board.
>>98374323thanks for admitting i have more knowledge than you, concession accepted
>>98374309Preaching to the choir desu senpai. Pretty mid pun. Could've been better.
>>98374311a complete lack of nuance i see. either the most disgusting cards ever printed in a decades old game or its a craw wurm, i guess. nothing in between. you're probably fat and ugly.
>>98374327You will never be a woman, no matter how much you try acting like one.
I'm having lots of fun stopping people from doing thing and drawing card. Good deck would recommend
>>98374334But both of you are arguing like 12 year old boys.
>>98374334why would i want to be a woman? being a man is being part of the superior sex that makes the world go round
>>98374338But won't they just google an answer off the maralen trigger? Do you run stranglehold to go with her or something?
>>98374344I run oppo agent and vedalkan orrey and other flash stuff to make sure I can tutor their counterspells and swords and stuff
>>98374338Could use it to bring my friend down a peg desu. He recently got into the game and immediately built his first deck around doing infinite combos and winning with Laboratory Maniac effects, even tho not a single one of my decks he's seen even have any infinite combos.
>>98374340Listen it's the /edhg/ ritual to call each other names then insist the other one lost the argument even though the whole time all we did was call each other names.
>>98374372Yeah but this is /tg/, unless you're some Marvelslop tourist we can probably settle this like autists instead of normies and see who is objectively correct. Let's see, wtf even is this reply chain.Ok that was a whole lotta garbage, Jesus. Thoughtsieze is extremely strong and disagreeing with that is retarded, soredemo there should totally be a multiplayer scaled one for EDH. I don't see why that shouldn't exist, it wouldn't affect Standard in any way so there's no excuse outside of potential broken hearts and wasted, salty time generation from all the assmad such a card would produce.
>>98374325nta but I don't go into any of the other mtg threads because I only play edh.
>>98374438The real answer for why WotC doesn't even try is that resolving it would take too much time for one card even if it's at an unplayable cost like 6 mana. Remember that this is in the context of the average EDH player being retarded so they'll play it without knowing what to take so you get 15 minutes of people trying to politic over it which isn't good design.
>>98374372You sound like a fag
>>98374468fear of people durdling hasn't stopped wotc from designing sagas/moving counters/non-deterministic storm bs
>>98374482A card that becomes a problem when there's 10 of them is very different from a card that becomes a problem by itself.
>>98374474I accept your concession.
>>98374485>a bunch of infamous durdling archetypes is less of an issue than 1 hypothetical card that is bound to be a GC away from b2 timmy pods anywayxD
>>98374521Okay schizo. Notice how one type of card got printed and the other exists only in your head.
>>98374532notice how you got btfo though for the nth time
>>98374534I accept your concession.
>>98374535i concede that you're an idiot correct, as per your own admission earlier >>98374327
>>98374538You lost.
>>98374541i'm winning bigly wdym my favorite card remains legal and will forever be legal
Man what a good thread. I can only wonder why whiteschizo came here it's almost like you give him free (You)s.
Hey guys, you know what? I concede. Just letting you know.
My name is Anonymous and I hate Magic
>>98374491t. loet the argument
>>98374569No, your name is Winner and you love Magic the Gathering. I accept your victory.
>>98374568You can't scoop at instant speed
>>98374569
>>98374577Yes you can
>>98374577Well who's fucking turn is it? I swear if it's Adam durdling around while looking at his big butt anime token proxy collection again I'll put Painful Quandary back in my 99.
>>98373723>White has historically been stronger than both red and green in Commander for basically its entire lifespan>Than greenI'm not even part of this conversation, but this is wrong. White didn't even have ramp or card draw until 2019-2020. The only thing that kept it going was Knight White Orchid/land tax/Mentor of Meek. I've been playing the same Odrick, Lunarch Marshall since I put him together in 2016. Green had all the land ramp, plus card draw spells like Harmonize, Garruk, Greater Good, Momentous fall, Life's Legacy, and cards like Soul of the Harvest, Elemental bond, Garruks pack leader, AND Sylvan Library which was a powerhouse back then and now. Then they got Rishkars Expertise, and all this was before most of White "catch up" ramp was fleshed out or gave White the ability to draw cards. You had to get shit like Mind's eye and Well LDreams, if you were in a life gain deck, to get some good draw before 2019. Maybe Sage's Rev was the big draw spell but only in aura decks, and aura decks are just selesnya enchantress. White still doesn't have explosive draw like green, and the consistent draw is just Esp Sentinel and Trouble in Pairs. (Those cards are crazy good though)
>>98374586>I swear if it's Adam durdling around while looking at his big butt anime token proxy collection again I'll put Painful Quandary back in my 99.>No one in my pod runs or even owns painful quandary but myselfPhew, that was a close one.
>>98373723that was before stax got banned (bracket 4+, where it gets outpaced)
>>98374598I always hear things about trouble in pairs but I never seem to get good visible value from it, by the time I get decent draws I could have just played like one sphinx revelation or something
reminder that the fact that people can concede and grief due to certain rules interactions when people leave the game is only more proof that ultimately edh is meant to be played to win whether your pod is cedh or b1 draft chaff
>>98374598Good LARP but there's a reason even in 2011 half the field in cEDH was esper with no sultai.
>>98374617I guess it depends on your play group, but being able to draw up to three cards a turn cycle from one opponent is very big. And you only need it to happen once for it to pay for itself. Everything after is just gravy.
>>98374598It's Kraum and Tymna, not Thrasios and Tymna.
>>98374637blue black did all the heavy lifting for sharuum, white was just happy to be there
>>98374644the topic isn't whether white has good staple cards (it does), but whether white is a robust color in its own right (it's not)
>>98374637Strawman. I'm talking about white as a complete color, Esper uses colorless ramp, Blues card draw, blacks tutors, and Whites removal. I never claimed that White doesn't have the best removal, it does, but it can't stand on its own in 2011, it struggled in 2016, and it's conditionally good in 2026. Saying that White is better than Green for it's "entire lifespan" because of Esper Cedh is very braindead and not a good faith argument.
now you CAN'T concedethat would be BREAKING THE RULES
>>98374683Luther you madman!
>>98374653Basically no color is robust on its own anymore. Any monocolor deck prays it opens one of three cards or it loses. This is a very large departure from early EDH where Azami and Arcum were premier threats because blue was actually good enough to be run solo.
>>98374683i like that he wields a doom blade
>>98374691still my favorite alter of all time (from a reddit post 13 years ago)
>>98373387>fucks over player>surprised same player won't help you laterWhy would you expect something else? It's how the vast majority of players will play that. I'm not saying it would be the right play but it's what most would do. Most wouldn't read the table and realize they could leverage better one way or the other and put spite aside. Hell even the ones who do may just not anyway just to fuck you.
>>98374690the question is whether monocolor can win consistently enough in cedh to be meta (no) but whether it's worth using one to spike a tournament or two (it can, and you have a lot more chances with mono green as being a lands archetype bypasses counterspells than with mono white)
>>98374683>opponent plays that>"okay I concede">go make a sandwich while other players durdle for ten minutes>sit back down because I never actually lost>play doppelgang combo for win>leave
>>98374735Don't a fair bit of mono red decks do fine though? Like Magda, godo, and zada?
>>98374619legitimately this has to be a kind of mental illness or something. What is so hard to grasp about this? >battle royale, kitchen table Last night I had 2 games:>Ok guys super 4s!!! >bring out deadpool turn 2, turn 3 blade of selves >urza, kefka and kinnan player groan>WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH I CANT DEAL WITH THIS>tell them I won't just instantly remove their commanders, its cool, I won't swap their commanders at all>DUDE YOU ARE JUST GOING TO REMOVE MY COMMANDER GOD I CANT PLAY>DUDE CMON MPLEASE JUST LET ME PLAY>they sit around passing turns paralyzed while I keep swapping their draw engine creatures>BRO CMON PLEASE JUST LET ME DO SOMETHING GOD>I NEEDED THAT SEEDBORN MUSE/FAERIE MASTERMIND/DRAW ENGINE PLEASE MAN CMON>reanimate ob nixilis>urza player scoops when he loses 10 life to fetch land, then another 10 for fabricate It's like they are on mental training wheels and have some predefined play patterns they can't veer from. When I told them my goal wasn't to just 'win at all costs' and I promised to not swap their commanders because I wanted them to have fun, but they immediately don't believe me and the kefka player scooped when I pyroblasted his cyc rift, then red elemental blasted his force of will and was pissed he couldn't play the game.
>>98374805>they sit around passing turns paralyzed while I keep swapping their draw engine creatures...but...deadpool gives them draw...literally every deadpool i pop puts the deadpool player down a card in advantage
>>98374805>Kinnan player whines because he cant play the game because people threaten his commanderLiterally.Every.Single.Time.
I always wanted to build a Zur deck, is his deck solved/futureproof or is there some cool or jank stuff you can do with it?
>>98374805man imagine all that crying just because it was your time to have a busted draw
>>98374805b1 and b4 are just containment brackets
>>98374833>Untap with Zur>Get Necropotence>Game is overYes he's solved but tutoring to play means you can do any number of faggy things you want.
>>98374842All brackets except 2 is a containment bracket.
>>98374849also correcteven though i'm familiar with cedh b2 still is the best way to play edh for the vast majority of players
Question: if you use a cast two cards that say "take an extra turn after this one" do these stack to two extra turns or no?
>>983748492 is like THE containment bracket
>>98373039I think if any person could handle 90000 tokens it would be an autistic person.
>>98373247This IS the funniest thing. Every shitty UW set has to be hyped now. And when it releases we have to be told "IT WAS THE BESTEST SET EVER! SOOOOO MUCH BETTER THAN UB! A-A-AND EVERYONE LOVED IT MORE" "So what if I said Magical schools were garbage a few years ago?!"
>>98374925I don't know about you guys but I find something to enjoy with every set. I may not make a commander from it but I will put a card from each set in my decks if possible
>>98374933Don't bother with that guy, he's just responding to himself because he wants to go one another "UB good, UW bad" tirade.
All the UW haters will be kneeling when Bolas undergoes his redemption arc, causing him and Ugin to become one of the most iconic couples in all of fiction.
>>98374906I'm pretty sure you just get the one turn. If you wanted two extra turns you'd need to use the second card on your first extra turn
>>98373487I think people like urza and karn. and maybe Mishra. a lot of people used to like Jace. I think the Skyship Weatherlight is bad af
>>98374906>>98374955Extra turn cards stack. You'll get as many extra turns as you resolve
>>98374906>>98374955extra turns stack even if you cast time warp + twincast on the same turn
Kinda hope there's a Castlevania UB so we can get more whip equipment
>>98373887>what's the gameplanIt's a landfall deck, focuses on deserts. More lands, more sand boys. Witchmaw is my favorite design-wise, but very difficult to build anything remotely interesting around it. Ink-treader is completely broken.
>>98374286you mean good card pile? stay mad!!
>>98374544yeah im not gonna pay the one>casts this generating 15 mana, wins
>>98374833It's a reusable tutor in the command zone, so you can do basically anything. I made a pillowfort deck with him. No deck is "solved" in a casual format.Thwt said, it isn't all that fun especially if you hate the lack of randomness tutoring brins, and it's very slow if you aren't just playing combo or voltron, which random will 100% assume you are.
>>98374987*draws into spell pierce*
>>98374912Containing all the fun, yeah
>>98374990yeah, I gave up and started planning a politics/police deck instead (partner slop most likely)
>>98372643
Talk to me about the most cancerous deck you own or have played against. I need some inspiration to make my pod feel horrible in a few weeks.
>>98375135urza stax is hard to beat in cuntishness
>>98375135Tergrid with my custom card Mindslicer Champion.
>>98374605very nice>>98374747LMFAO>>98374805ngl, the most fun you can have playing cEDH is by trolling the tryharders like this>>98374975Very nice. Do you run (picrel)? Could do some fun shit with it and is on theme>>98375135Had an Urza stax 2022 I think, as another anon said. Have a Tymna/Thrasios GS... Ngl, playing at champs with them is nice, but I never use them playing with friends. They suck when the objective is, besides win, having fun.
>>98375135I'm trying to build a Teysa, Envoy of Ghosts stax/punish deck She sits in the command zone glaring at you 99% of the game while you assemble a bunch of pillowforted hatebears and then when everyone's burned resources trying to get at you, cast her and swing out with a Hatred or Vorpal Blade and one-shot someone
>>98375135Play chaos, people hate chaos. Knowledge pool, teferis puzzle, timesifter, zedruu, thieves auction. Big your locked in here with ME motherfuckers energy.
>>98375254>guys you wanna just start over without this guy?>yeah>yeah
>>98375271N-no you have to stay and spend hours figuring out how everything resolves on the stack here you can't scoop
>>98375135Just got out of a game where a dude dropped Arbiter Augustin IV on turn 3Then on turn 4 that motherfucker Spark Doubled him Needless to say he got insta focused by all of us for that
>>98375301tell that guy he's based.
>>98375301what a fucking Chad
>>98375135Don't Andres theft. My fun mini game is trying to steal every other player's commanders and turn them in to pirates. Theft decks absolutely tilt people, especially if they're autistic
>>98375309>>98375317If nothing else, I had to give it to him for the sheer audacity I would've been okay with slowing my roll by 1 but the moment he did that the other two guys just all-in attacked every time with their already summoned weenies, had to join in
>>98375001
>>98375193>do you run picrel?No, he's expensive and I build budget. Not sure why I don't have the other guy in there, though, I have most other cards that say "sand" or "desert".
>>98375358Worth it, word. It's very fun to play with blink shenanigans and, even without those, in a landfall deck the pajeets will rise BY TONS
>>98375358I need to buy one eventually. I'll probably make a deck with him, but I just want it for my RKF collection.That and all the tutors he made, its gonna suck,
>>98375348I was thinking him or Ertai Resurrected
>>98375410Not the original?
>>98375135Forced saccing with ways to fuck opponents graveyards.
>>98375135>I need some inspiration to make my pod feel horrible in a few weeksGA4 with like 30 counterspells, hard stax, no wincon
>>98375474god I have a friend with a discard/sac deck and if he gets the engine going, it's fucking BRUTAL. Everyone's turns end up going "draw, discard that card, pass the turn". This is def my pick
>play silly aggro deck>someone in the pod has mister negative as his commanderRealistically what the fuck do I do in this scenario
>>98375474>>98375521>not Meren and endlessly reanimating Accursed/Fleshbag Marauder and their bro Grey Merchant
Finally pulled the trigger on ordering this guy and some stuff for him + hogaak. Can't wait to draw my whole deck with Vnny
>>98375550You better have fucking bought him in the piss foil finish.
>>98375550he cute :)
>>98373919kinda late but insane dedication, anon. gtzbtw nice rat
>>98375533Option 1: Kill him before he gets 7 manaOption 2: Kill him in one turn
>>98375533I mean, there's not much to do besides BEATING THE SHIT OUT OF HIM B4 TURN 7
>>98375674just opened this in an OTJ pack
>>98375741I don't get why people buy packs
>>98375742Rripping a pack can be a quick hit of fun.
>>98375764If it is a collector one, sure.
>>98375742it supports the FLGS also some packs have neat hits (OTJ definitely being one of them) and also I'm building jumpstart packs out of the bulk
>>98375742not everyone is poor, anonalso, draft cube is nice
>>98375805So they are collector packs?
>>98375559Of course nothttps://youtu.be/x2PZSBGu9cw?si=YP_o91647XJmcGto
>>98375814for otj i think the collector packs have a worse roi
i'm new to commander and new to magic in general, is this bad?
>>98375837Pull from tomorrow is pretty bad.Shield counters are pretty dogshit. You'd be better off running any of whites board protections spells like Dawn's Truce over ir.
>>98375845I have a pull of 170 cards to choose from i don't know how to deck build at all, it seems very good on paperalso by shield counters you mean the ones from protection magic? so i should aim for hexproof instead?
>>98375851>I have a pull of 170 cards to choose fromthis is way more interesting than your question and we need to know in order to give you advice anyway, so tell us what the pool is
>>98375855sorry pool*how do i send them or where can i put them
>>98375859?? take a screenshot or tell us how it was generated, is it like "all of the white blue and green FIC and FIN cards" or something? no way you just posted 12 random spells and they were all final fantasy
>>98375830So what does poor have to do with anything? Regular packs are the poor packsDumb ass
>>98375867opening packs is fun and gimping the roi in order to obtain ugly art treatments is not something i would do with a $1b budget
>>98375862here's a pastebin it has my current list and cards i have considered and i also have other not listed from final fantasy toohttps://pastebin.com/VvL0fDFC
>>98375876i also really want to keep ultima, absolute virtue, farewell and knights of round
>>98375851That's perfectly fine, its just okay from a starting point but something that should be replaced down the line.
week 2 in a row of going to the LGS and not finding a game after sitting there for an hour. what the actual fuck. 3 weeks ago got a game and wanted to do my main bracket 4 deck and 2 of the other dudes only had bracket 3 and the other dude had a cedh deck so that game naturally sucked and ended on t4. is there any actual humans playing this game or what? if youre just playing with your buddies why not play at home instead of a store?? I mean long before the commander days back in 2010 we'd be chiefing cigs around the kitchen table playing 60 card magic or pokemon, maybe with a beer, some marijauno (not me weed sucks) or something silly like a klon-donnapinonly time we set foot in stores was to do pre-releases (most recent being Scars of Mirrodin and Pokemon heart gold/soul silver Call of Legends, awesome set with bonus Celebi sleeve)this is BUNK
>>98375938sounds like a your LGS problem we have 20 players every week
>>98376066>>98376066>>98376066
>>98374249No one knows or cares about the first 5 sets
