Big satty fatty edition Previous heresy: >>98375857>HH 3.0 - Complete gofile - All Books:https://gofile.io/d/cnJk0N>Titanicus Compendiumshttps://gofile.io/d/1accdP>New Edition, to a great wailing and gnashing of teeth:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/setting/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/>Thread FAQ (very old, remembers Age of Terra)https://pastebin.com/iUqNrrA8https://pastebin.com/8riDmnhS>30k TACTICA & TIPShttps://pastebin.com/Tm2P4QLphttps://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Age_of_Darkness-Warhammer_30k/3.0_Tactics/General_Tactics『Adeptus Titanicus and Legions Imperialis』>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloadshttps://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/legions-imperialis/>List of Titan Legions with Badges and Colourshttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17Jccq0V--SwJifLVLwbisYnQeqLlS2pMSiPbGXp1Brs/htmlview>More listshttps://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/List_of_Titan_Legions>What size magnets do I need?5x1mm>Tacticshttps://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Adeptus_Titanicus/Tactics>Legions Imperialis Army Builderhttps://legionbuilder.app/>Thread Question: After about a year of content, how do you feel about the journal release model?
>>98390875>TQI miss the big books.
>>98390875>After about a year of content, how do you feel about the journal release model?I think it's neat. Can just get the journals with stuff I'm interested in, rather than having to fork over a huge amount of cash for a big books when I only want to use 10% of the content in it.
>>98390875>how do you feel about the booksNot a big fan, GW is just drip feeding content, but the worst part of all is they are doing it at the speed of old people fucking that we wont get through all of it before they end up dropping 4.0.I Mean FFS we still only have what, 1 legion specific Saturnine unit? Where the fuck is the other 17?
>>98390940>Where the fuck is the other 17?Where is every legions specific cata/tartaros terminators? Where is every legions specific jetbike unit/jump infantry? Where is everyones unique destroyers?
>>98390940If you want break neck release speed go back to 40k you fucking faggot
How do you guys typically transport LIgma minis? Magnetic cases/trays? Foam carry cases?
>>98390965Not asking for break neck releases, im just asking them to put them out slightly faster then we have been seeing. >>98390960I dont care about those, and also im slightly salty over how saturnine are depicted in the lore and books and how fucking gay they are on the table top. I want legion specific ones because im hoping we will see more true ot form versions of them.
>>98390875>After about a year of content, how do you feel about the journal release model?The model? Its fine. But given how basic the units in them often are I feel like they could be a bit faster with it.
>>98390970all thrown into a coffee tin
>>98390972>I dont care about thoseI dont care about saturnines. >and how fucking gay they are on the table top.They are exactly what they should be on the tabletop. Big, super durable, and super unwieldy/impractical.
>>98390986IK someone who does this but with a plastic boc and it's harrowing to me
>>98390960Not every legion needs its own special snowflake version of everything. That's just gay and retarded participation award kinda shit.
>>98390997>Not every legion needs its own special snowflake version of everythingBut they do need their own special snowflake saturnines?
>>98391005They don't need that either, don't confuse me with that other retard. Saturnine are fine as they are.
>>98391032>don't confuse me with that other retard.If you arent him you should be able to understand that the statement was sarcastic, and pointing out that historically legions did not have (or need to have) a special unit variant for every category.
>>98391040>you should be able to understand that the statement was sarcasticSarcasm is harder to pick up on on the internet. Also I'm autistic as fuck.
>>98390992>They are exactly what they should be on the tabletop. Big, super durable, and super unwieldy/impractical.And missing like everything they are depicted as weilding as well missing all sorts of things like>Roto auto canons>Las canons>Chain weapons>Heavy Bolters>melta canonsThey were designed ot be shooting platforms and they kinda suck at that job.
>>98391086>And missing like everything they are depicted as weildingThey arent because they had fuck all depiction prior. At best you can pull out an image where they have three combi bolters or whatever. Prior to 3e the official stance was that saturnine armor was basically just a weird looking armor functionally the same as regular terminator armor. >They were designed ot be shooting platformsAnd they have an impressive damage output with their specialized shooting weapons when going into the proper targets. Both the plasma bombard and the twin heavy disintegrator are very good at their job.
>>98391086I'm pretty sure you've never actually played with or against saturnine terminators.>Bunch of bottom tier plebian weaponryLaaaaame. Just get more tactical support squads if you want that garbage.
>>98391086>and they kinda suck at that job.They fire either two blasts or 4 s7 Ap2 D2 shots.
Would it be cringe to put LI tanks on bases?
>>98391217Yes.
>>98391222Damn, I was thinking of putting magnets under those bases for ease of transport
Once again asking for tartaros librarian models.
>>98391227There were no librarians in the HH. The Edict of Nikea forbid them.
>>98391247>What can I say except you're welcome
>>98391247Saw this glorious bastard on purple site, not even a day after bookmarking and going back to print for my traitor ravens, gone. He’s looking absolutely fantastic anon
>>98391101>They make an apperance it one of the short stories in the shattered legions. Aboard one of the salamander ships. Vulcan told them to feel from istvaan because they were carrying highly advanced experimental terminator suits he did not want to fall into the hands of the enemies and they were described as walking tanks, armed with all sorts of weapons that we should have gotten but did not. >>98391207the D guns suck ass they end up fucking themselves up just as much as they do a target. The plasma Is ok, but the best load out they have is the stock load out. They are just boring otherwise.>>98391207I have, i beat them by just walking away, every time i have seen them on the table im never impressed by the result they have. The best thing they do is stin on objective and deny it, which thats a pretty expensive objective sitter.
>>98391290>They make an apperance it one of the short stories in the shattered legions.So I am correct then, and they had fuck all appearance before 3e. >the D guns suck assThey have high damage into the proper targets. >>98391290>but the best load out they have is the stock load outIf youre going to DS bomb them. Otherwise it isnt, because you want them getting use out of their "can fire two guns" rule, which they dont with a fist. >i beat them by just walking awaySo in other words: By not letting them shoot?WOW! How incredible!.Saturnines are a slow and durable unit with a strong ranged damage output, their weakness is range, which is good, because with their durability they need counterplay. You fucking retard.
>>98391310>They have high damage into the proper targets.The problem i have with D guns is the same on every platform, they are really good at killing MEQ and just OK at killing TEQ, which like, ok a lot of things are able to do that. >If youre going to DS bomb them. Otherwise it isnt, because you want them getting use out of their "can fire two guns" rule, which they dont with a fist.Yeah thats my problem with them, is that they dont get to use their double ranged weapons unless you are standing still like a mook, which i mean ok sure they are great mook standers but again, there are so many better options that are way better for cheaper. Im not saying they are not durable and have decent range, im saying that they are meh at doing that at best. They cost way to much for not enough damage output.I would rather see other options on them. Now their command squad, that one is cool as fuck i like that one.
>>98391310>So I am correct then, and they had fuck all appearance before 3e.Anon shattered legion came out in 2017, HH2.0 came out in 2022, that was well before 3e....So on this point, you are dead wrong lol.
>>98391358>Anon shattered legionIs "fuck all".
>>98391340Anon... you need to read the other disintegrator weapon profiles, past the disintegrator rifle. Heavy- and especially twin heavy disintegrators absolutely rape terminators. Just looking at their stats and knowing basic math tells you that.
>>98391340>they are really good at killing MEQAs well as command squads. 2+ no invuln is a very real threat range you need to kill. >Yeah thats my problem with themThat your heavy guns are not mobile? As opposed to all the other firing platforms, which are? They are the toughest (or up there) unit in the game, they have ranged guns, they better have a mountain of restrictions and downsides. That is how game design works. >im saying that they are meh at doing that at best.Which is wrong. Their damage output is perfectly adequate into the things they want to be firing at. >They cost way to much for not enough damage output.They pay for being dreadnought tough infantry. They are t6 3w with a 4++ and reduce the strength of multiple weapon types by 1. >I would rather see other options on them.Because you are a retard. And it is a good thing you are not likely to get what you want. Because saturnines CANT have "other options" because what keeps them in check is their restrictions. Without them you just have a ranged unit you cant kill.
>>98390997World Eater ones with lightning claws would be cool....theres an art piece showing that that I really like, the guy has like a half mask over his face and is gritting his teeth so hard hes practically breaking them. Would love to make that guy in particular....
>>98391388Ok anon you are right.
>>98391408DESU i would love a Naufragia unit for them, for dark angels. Seems kinda perfect for them.Power fist give them a Phosphex canister as a range weapon.Lore wise Naufragia used power fists and plasma canons/Phosphex canons so i mean, seems like a easy one to do as well since we never got that unit before.
>>98391247I love him....>>98391273>gone....That anon could be an awesome fren and leak his STL files maybe or something, I dunno.....
I'm painting up a gray scheme word bearers army, anyone else have one? My solar aux are red, didn't feel like doing red again.
>>98391474Not sure if it's the bad lighting, but that grey looks way too dark.
>>98391495Yeah it's lighting, my phone sucks at brightness in pictures.
>>98391831SHORTHORTnice
>>98391845Lots of hate can come inj a small package!
no cap i think i've pretty much made it work ong frseeker dude, kraken bolter, derivative maximus plate, suck my toes>>98391831clawby boyhe looks good at giving hugs
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>>98391290>they end up fucking themselves up just as much as they do a target1/18 to do 2 damage Wound to themselves vs 2/9 to do same to SEQ aka 4x more likely to damage other fatties than to fall over and spang their own kneevs TEQ 1/18 and 5/18 -aka same as wiffing a 2+ but getting it on the reroll - or 10/27 aka >1/3vs MEQ 1/18 and 5/9 aka 10x better chance vs AV13 glance 1/9vs AV12 glance 1/9 pen 1/9vs AV11 glance 1/9 pen 4/9vs AV10 glance 1/9 pen 1/3why are you like this why are you incapable of basic numeracy tasksdid you do this to yourself deliberately as a joke before you found out it isn't funny
Well anons, I've bitten the bullet on repainting my warlord.Spent the last two days doing the legs, finally starting the glowing runes.His new name will be Alkahest (unless I get any better ideas)Post your WIP.
>>98392078Here's the state it was in before, I'm happy to see how far I've come
^~^
>>98392078>>98392126Damn. Very nice, anon.I should get to sitting down and painting.But I have too many animes to catch up on.
>>98391831what claws are those?
>>98392149tortuga, not too happy with how big they are on him, fucking troonscale bullshit, ugh....
>>98391227Just use the 40k tartaros thousand sons model with a few bits swapped
>>98392166I like the claws, thanks
>>98392182They are EXCELLENT quality, I will give them that, just wish they were a tiny bit smaller. Wish the truscale people would offer regular and oversized options, cant be THAT hard to print both....
>>98392203Yeah I get that, I still like tortuga I bought lots of heads from them, nice with more options.
>>98392203>cant be THAT hard to print both....Anon they use cast resin
>>98391474love a grey wobbievery nice anon
>>98392389Word Bearers are wobbies now? Praise Blake.
>>98392475I had most of a Level III at one point so wobbie always stuck for my WBs
>>98392384cool, some anon with a 3d printer and scanner, scan them, make them a little smaller and sell smaller versions then. Id buy a TON of them if someone did that. Same with a lot of other things.... like upscaled titanicus weapons. Id buy 3+ of each right off the bat, no questions asked, for my titans.
>>98392076Gag reflex when I see those math lovers
Yesterday's thread was kinda shit nglCan we start actually doing the bare minimum and reporting obvious bait?
https://strawpoll.com/3RnYXMRXAye
>2.0>SA and Mechanicum in plastic>3.0>Custodes in plasticSpeedrunning the latter's entire range with two Battle Groups aside, think we'll see another faction get ported this edition?
>>98393299>another factionsuch as? daemons? lol. militia? lmao even
>>98393309Maybe they'll give SoS more than one unit. Right? But to their credit, Ruinstorm Daemons do have a handful of resin models even if you're left to do whatever with them.
>>98393299Sisters of Silence (sad lol)
>>98393316sorry bro, no more sisters of silence are allowed now that custodes have filled the femoid representation slot
>>98393338I gathered as much when they didn't even care to put all their 2.0 units into Legacies of all things.
>>98390875Do you guys think we will ever get rules for the saturnines with heavy bolters and those top mounted guns?
Is there a dedicated checklist for stuff I'll need to put together for an Adeptus Titanicus army? I'm a complete newfag when it comes to painting and building. I'm planning to grab the starter boxes and an airbrush since I've heard that's the best way to paint them but don't know what sort of airbrush to go for. From a brief skim online I've harder & steenbeck are good but thought I'd ask for your opinions here. As for my current list of shit its: airbrush & all the crap it needs including compressor, paints, a set of brushes including an XL one, scalpels, sprue cutters and a mask.I was hoping to make my colour scheme something close to pic related with the darker reds being the main part of the body, any ideas on the best way to get those sort of colours and what paints I need would be appreciated. I'm planning to test them out on smaller minis first before actually painting some warhound titans and moving up. They'll probably look like shit but you gotta start from somewhere.
>>98393143>Report bait>Get banned for some nebulous arbitrary bullshit immediately afterwards while the reported post remains upI've been through this song and dance too many times, if (they) did care to do the bare minimum and not actively make the site worse it wouldn't be such a cesspool right now.Watch some fat retard get offended by this post and have it disappeared.
>>98393411The titanicus box set is an excellent place to start, if you’re breaking into airbrushing for the first time, start cheap and simple. There’s a few different starter brands. I started with a vevo (or vivo not sure which) and it was great to learn how to air brush with.There’s a few different titan legio color schemes that incorporate the kind of reds you have here. Legio Ignatum is a good one for loyalists. The rest of the kit you’re talking about getting will serve you well. Titans are actually super simple to paint. It’s easy to spray the skeleton in your chosen metallic and then paint the armor plates separately, or mask off the armor plates and spray the skeleton. Add some transfers and some fun basing and your off to the races in the true gentleman’s game that is titanicus. Be proud! Because you’re already better than everyone else.
>>98391366>If I ignore all the times it happened, then I'm right that it didn't happen!
Would it make sense for a legiones auxilia cohort to do its own thing? I want to paint either the WS or NL solar aux schemes but kinda hate the idea of them sticking so close to their legions or whatever
>>98389193Hey that's mine. I know its not to every taste, but going nuts with traitor scars helped me recover from being IW guy. Or maybe it finally broke my brain, hard to say sometimes.
>>98393562Close to them how? Color wise? Unit wise? Be more specific
>>98393698Close in the sense of like, deployment, actions, military shit. Or can they operate as independent formations
>>98393143Careful now. Asking people to report posts that are deserving of it will likely get you banned instead.
>>98393633Can you post more pics of him?He looks cool.
He's gonna be fun to paint up me thinks
>>98393699The legions auxilia are going to be under the direct command of an overseer or some other legion consul. Otherwise they wouldn’t BE the legions auxilia. They’re going to perform subordinate actions in tandem, if that’s with the night lords they’ll probably be meat shields. Or an anvil force, a misdirection cadre. Whatever you like. But yeah they’ll be answering to the legion.
>>98393787Gotcha thanks
>>98393750The original one is my enthroned agent for an imperial agents army I was doing. Too bad 40k sucks dick now.
>>98393798Sick
do /yourdudes/ have a preferred foe?
>>98393901Yes, it's /yourdudes/
>>98393975gasp......
could do a lot worse than slaughtering eater filth
Bit mad none of the new tac squad kits include a single helmet with augmetic eyes.
>>98393901Yeah.Anyone that isn't them.
>>98394011MkIV doesMkIII does
>>98394018No?
>>98392169I dont play TS.The current plan is the WB praetor, he has the arm and the runes can be justified with "its a librarian"
>>98393750>>98393798Based Edgar Enjoyers.This model filters the pleb.
>>98394032Sergeant helmet.
why do loyalist astartes tend to die so good is it that they think they're fighting for something?
>>98394011>>98394032
>>98394259it's so good of gw to slap little aquilas on everything for people to deface
>>98394232Selling your soul to Chaos for quick access to more power is all fun and games, until you die and the gods come to collect.
>>98394268>until you die and the gods come to collect.>>AHAHAHA YES FINALLY
>>98393447>start cheap and simpleWhat are the main differences? Most of the discourse I've seen online has had people saying that cheaper ones can often be a bitch to clean and the build quality can suck.>legio color schemes that incorporate the kind of reds you have hereI was more looking for paints to try and recreate those darker red shades. I've already got a legio in mind. >super simple to paintI already know something is gonna fuck up horribly.
>>98394276The Word Bearers remind me of that old gag about a man who dies and goes to hell, but gets to pick his own punishment out of the ones shown before himA man getting flogged foreverA man getting boiled foreverA man getting his dick sucked forever by a beautiful womanOf course the man picks the last oneDevil walks up to the woman and says that she's been replaced.
anyone have the zone mortalis journal?
>>98394437Yes, I have it.
>>98394118I don't get why fags worship that twat. Any goodwill he earned with his designs should have been wiped out by his bullshit "individually watermarked components only 17 individually numbered preorders" FOMOfaggotry over this model. Fuck that twat, I hope it gets scanned and shared for free everywhere.
>>98394400But WB love sucking dick though
>>98394529You can buy the STL though.
>>98394752Wasn't there something about the STL missing a few crucial parts that you still needed to buy directly, to make sure people would be unable to share the STL?
>>98394762Haven't heard of that, I'd have to defer to someone who knows.
>>98394762No.
>>98394400Jokes on the devil, im the gloryhole CHAMP.
>>98394775>>98394118>>98393750What character is he even supposed to be?
>>98394868If I remember correctly he was going to be a character for the SA in a book that never ended up being released.
Originally, if you bought the STL edition it was missing one of the parts, the hip or something, and you had to wait for him to send you that bit physically. Rightfully, everyone called him retarded and it didn't do anything to stop people from making a replacement bit and sharing that anyway, so he pulled back on that and now just screeches like an impotent retard and C&Ds people who upload it like GW does instead
>>98394868Ireton Masade.
how would I build a ZM board in the theming of a dense cityscape? want something thematic, any inspiration that could be shared? also I love how autilon skorr has always been a great HQ choice, he's always been a better delegatus
>>98395113Lots of buildings partially in ruins, one larger winding road, lots of small alleys that look like you'll get stabbed when walking through them.
>>98395113>>98395190I would say the alleyways are most important for the dense feel. Think space hulk cramped, but add ladders and stairs for 3d combat a la kill team.
>>98391474I'm doing a word bearers army like 70% red but the ashen circle, some leadership and heavy flamers I'm doing grey.
can you still take vehicles in ZM?is it a wierd case of "yes, but they cant move"what about tarantula sentry guns?
>>98395337It is a weird case of >yes, but they can't move anywhere if they got more than 3 HPSo tarantula sentry guns are good.
>>98395356nice, had points spare in my ZM list and no way to take anything but stuff in a recon slot, so tarantulas it'll be with true believers to ignore the effects of glances
>>98395394AL headhunter leviathal detachment? Tarantulas in ZM seem nasty. Can just shoot a unit the instant it comes around a corner.
>>98395413yeah, running linebreaker+headhunter, filled up my elites slots with lernaens and seekers
>>98393901Yeah, it's /myotherdudes/ and /myfriendsdudes/
>>98395113>how would I build a ZM board in the theming of a dense cityscape?Plan the streets and alleys out first, and then make the buildings. Since city fighting can get vertical perhaps have the buildings ruined so they can't be entered or have the "walls" formed by collapsed stories and the "doors" just be cleared away rubble. Pick a famous city and take a peak at their street layout, I'd recommend Paris or the Financial District of NYC
>>98394529It sucks, but freelancers gotta make their money somehow.>>98394868Book 4 - Conquest
>>98395588>freelancers gotta make their money somehow.getting a real job? no? ok
>>98395588Lotta freelance 3D artists that get by just fine without actively trying to fuck over their customers.>>98395662I think it's hilarious that basically every time somebody "escapes" from some "evil greedy company" and goes freelance, they instantly turn out to be just as greedy if not worse .
>>98395671Its almost like its not "greed" as much as "business reality"
Yoooooo, who just got an OG Chapterhouse studios jetbike?This guy, thats who. The history behind this bit is fucking ridiculous, its one of the reasons GW went to shit. Look up their lawlsuit and the aftermath of it, its a head smasher....
>>98395662Working as a wagie for big corpo is already soul croushing, but working as an artist for big corpo? Good lord. The freelance life can be though but it's much better to live paycheck to paycheck than waste your time for someone else's bank account.>>98395671>actively trying to fuck over their customersBy doing what? It's the 3rd time this model has been redone and resold, plus you can commission the guy to make you custom shit.I'm deeply, deeply sorry anon that the freelance sculptor doesn't have the same pricing as the chinese recaster, please accept my foot up your ass.
>>98395748I'm aware it's quite the tale
>>98395748Good riddance, it's just as ugly as I remember lol. It is like owning a piece of history, I guess.
>>98395767Its way better looking than the flying fucking dildos that GW released.
>>98394529He made the FW solar aux range, he's the goat and you are being a spiteful fag.
>>98395771True, but let's be real, that's not much of an achievement kek
>>98395775And? Doesn't mean you have to worship the ground he walks on. Somebody can create something cool once and still be a massive faggot.
>>98395783You've accomplished nothing and you're still a massive faggot.So maybe get off your high horse.
>>98395804At least we have one thing in common huh. And yes I am a proud DA player, got a problem with that?
>>98395748Iirc its not the jetbike but the doom of malantai. And chapterhouse absolutely had it coming.
>>98395783He also did the OG preators
made a 1.5k ZM list, need input>alpha legion>linebreaker detachment>praevian>2x castellax destructors (2x darkfire cannons, 4x flamers, 2x power blades)>10x despoilers (3x plasma pistol, 2x power maul, 1x power fist, 1x vexilla, meltabombs)>10x despoilers (3x plasma pistol, 2x power maul, 1x power fist, 1x vexilla, meltabombs)>5x lernaen terminators (1x thunder hammer, 4x power axe, 1x conversion beam cannon)>5x lernaen terminators (1x thunder hammer, 4x power axe, 1x conversion beam cannon)>5x seekers (nuncio-vox, meltabombs)>5x seekers (nuncio-vox, meltabombs)>2x tarantula sentry guns (2x sentry melta array)1500/1500think I need more men or maybe a dreadnought
>>98395748I'm mad Zealot doesn't sell their bikes anymore. They'd be perfect for some Visions style bikes.
>>98396003
>>98396011Man why couldn't they "redesign things to be more faithful to the art' like THIS instead of femstodes slop they're already backtracking art
>>98396035Just consoom legion dickbike and get excited for golden gokart.
anyone holding scans of the zomo journal? got a steal on the saturnine box to split with a friend thats new to the hobby in general and trying to see if there's any way i can get him playing sooner than whenever his collection grows big enough for a full list
>>98396131Alright then, because you asked nicely:gofile.io/d/9eWJ44Be sure to share it with your friend and other who politely ask.
>>98396151thank you anon^_^excited to get him going i will be sure to share his progress
>>98396151>they brought back the blip markers rule
>>98393746Thanks anon. Here's a collage with the proof of concept so you can get an idea of how it developed over time. I put a magnet under the sculpting work so I can swap out backpacks.
>>98396250The ZM journal is great, hopefully it's an indication of where things are headed.
Anyone ever build a Knight Atrapos? How tough is it to build? In comparison I've build a fire raptor as the largest resin model I've ever done.
>>98396368If you built a resin fire raptor you can survive anything anon. Building an atrapos shouldn't be an issue.
>>98396151Thank you thanos scanon. I almost broke down and actually bought the book lmao.
>>98396398I do hope a lot of people buy the ZM book. Hopefully that will show the bean counters and out of touch suits at GW that giving people options, flavour, and other fun stuff is actually the best way forward.
>>98391268How would someone model a destroyer company/chapter/? aside from just using destroyers and mortitats? veteran tacticals and vet HSS with desintegrators?
>>98394266Stop bitchong and start scratching !
>>98395748>Chapter House.Man i remember that shit its why GW went about renaming ALL of their shit, such a shit show.
>>98396368It's extremely easy to put together and modify, just remember to use hot water and dry fit everything big.As the other anon said, if you've put together a fire raptor basically nothing else will faze you, I'd rather put together another warlord titan than that abomination.
>>98396680>>98396377Awesome, might have to have Chang send me one. I recently ordered a Castigator as well so I suppose this is how the knight household army starts.
Is there a reason why people don't just put big piles of slate on their table instead of faffing around with cutting and painting foam?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_pXKYS2cr4
>>98396744One word:Weight.
>>98396756are you making your tables out of cardboard?
>>98396769That would be hundreds of pounds. No one wants to move that shit.
>>98396777why would you move it?just have it in your garage or hobby room (ground floor)
>>98396782Dunno what kind of nepo baby you are, but the majority of people do not have the amount of prime real estate where they can just have an entire table that is useless for anything but playing warhammer on.
>>98396769People use tables made of wood. Stacking large stone blocks on wood is not a good idea.
>>98396886Your old grandma's oakwood table, hand crafted by a real carpenter, would manage it. But most modern tables, especially those flimsy pieces of shit from IKEA, are basically fancy cardboard.
>>98396825I know people who rent who have an entire table that is useless for anything but playing warhammer onthey also never have people over so it's even more useless>>98396886do you not know what bracing is?you can put 100 lbs on a shitty plastic folding table, you can get way more on a properly built wood table
>>98396890Yes, a big sturdy wooden table could manage it. People do not tend to play warhammer on their grandfathers old sturdy oak table.
>>98396890>>98396964you could theoretically buy a picnic table and then just leave it outside since all it has is rocks on it
>>98396550is that a laser-cut fiberboard base?kinda cool.....
>>98395750Being a simp for a single egregious poofter is, if anything, even more pathetic than being a simp for a giant corporation. At least the corporation can hide behind the figleaf of being responsible to shareholders and capitalist culture, the solo artiste being a greedy pretentious fannybaws is purely on them.
>>98395804>gluk gluk glukHe'll notice you one day.
>>98396483Yeah just paint them all in a destroyer scheme, load up with plasma and flamers on regular units to salt the earth.
>>98395783More than once, the only faggot here is you.
>>98396011>>98396035The real bitch is, the cumstodes sort of got this bike, while the marines got flying anal penetrators.I have a set of the stodes bikes that I plan to mount some mk IV armored Emperors Children marines on and paint them up in pinkish purple and gold to match this artwork (and I swear there were pics in the big black splat books that showed ECs riding purple versions of these same bikes....dont feel like digging out my copies of the books to check ATM...)
>>98396000why would you use beamers in ZM, no good, also don't waste points of plasma pistols on despoilers
>>98396151Thank u purple chad
I don't get it why the plastic mkiv assaults don't have reinforced toros like the other plastic assaults, that and the jump packs makes the box such a dud.
>>98397387very cool much spooky
>>98397387bro is down to fuck
>>98397387What is that base from?
>>98397403zone mortalis necromunda if im remembering correctly
>>98397403>>98397417SHIT, nope, sector mechanicus industrial bases, my bad
>>98397392just better plates all around
>>98397364>sort of got this bikeThe same way a Fiat is sort of like a Ferrari. The golden gokart underneath all the plating is more of an elongated version of the legion dickbike.
>>98396572nope, not even close, you read lies online and believed them>>98395748there's no history, CH were obviously ripping off copyrighted worksthey only got away with it for so long because of what even the courts called an absolutely bizarre and unsupportable decision by a fucking patent clerk that "parts of designs can't have copyright" which is justdumb
>>98397476
>>98390875Does anybody have all of the ForgeWorld books in PDF form to share, please? I mean all of them including the catalogues and masterclass modelling books.Does anybody know the name of that big fan made Horus Heresy Age of Darkness book that homebrewed the ForgeWorld era resin models in?I just want the blank templates for homebrewing stuff.Have they figured out the steps to making pics like pic related so even graphic design newcomers can easily figure them out?>>98395748GW's crusty orifices are still bleeding from ChapterHouse' courtroom winning?
>>98397559>Have they figured out the steps to making pics like pic related so even graphic design newcomers can easily figure them out?I think the ForgeWorld graphics design teams still got it and maybe even better if they're still around.If not then the new team is still pretty good too.
>>98397474Not that one, the vertus bikes
>>98397474>Dick biks.Im gonna be honest, i never understood why or how people see a dick bike thing on these, I think they look fine.
>>98397559MYSTERY NIGGAS
>>98397826SCARY NIGGAS!
>>98398038I want to choke everyone who made this conversion
>>98398113Why?
Castellax infernus is such a cool concept. I'm not a big fan of the journal-type of content, but the zomo journal is pretty great.
>>98397392Agreed, nuMkIV assault marines are trash. They're only useful for their arms, lances, and heads. Their legs could also be useful, but the fucking deformed torso makes it difficult to cut them cleanly>>98397474He's talking about the much better 40k bikes,anon.Dick bikes were a mistake. They longer you look at them the more obvious their design issues become apparent.Yeah, lets make a bike for marines that doesn't allow the driver to wear power packs...
>>98398473I wish a praevian could take them
>>98397367blast template, AP3 outside of 15" which even in ZM can be common
>>98398605Damn they cucked the Praevian in 3.0 that bad?
>>98398537>Yeah, lets make a bike for marines that doesn't allow the driver to wear power packs...i get the impression that the bike itself serves to feed the space marine's plate while he's mounted with internal battery arrays therein permitting brief activity away from the mount as required
>>98398673he can take castellax and castellax destructors, just obviously the new infernus castellax arent either so he can't take themhopefully they add a little FAQ saying he can (don't see why not) whenever we get the next one
>>98398675If the marine unmounts to fight, he's at a big disadvantadge. It doesn't make sense, IMO
>>98398728there's no grounds for a marine to be dismounting from a jetbike in the thick of things besides it being disabled or if he's a world eater tard that can't keep his dick in his pants and abandons his dutiesfirst is a skill issue and the latter is congenitalthey're not pieces of equipment that get walked away from in combat at least under ideal circumstances
>>98398743>>98398728Yeah this is like bitching about how the Rhino commander/gunner has a powerplug instead of a powerpack. He's part of a specialized unit, it would be fucking insane for him to dismount under anything but the most requiring of circumstances because he's using incredibly specialized and tactically-important equipment.
>>98398756Even if the rider is forced to leave his jetbike behind, he can just grab any power pack from a dead marine nearby. If the situation is bad enough that the marine has to leave the jetbike behind, there's bound to be some slain marines.
>>98398770>ay gibs me dat
>>98398770yeah, I've no idea why the lack of a backpack is seen as a big deal to the design. and more to the point a rider will probably never dismount short of severe equipment failure- even honortards like space marines understand that RTB'ing with the bike is probably a more preferable scenario than dismounting it to let it get stolen by the enemy or destroying it unnecessarily.
>>98398774grav speeders of the heresy are laid out to be fairly precious instances of wargear with the material intensity of making themnot returning with your mount might well be grounds to get shitcanned back into a head of tactical cannon fodder in the right forces
>>98398783yeah I think people forget that even space marines are beholden to command and the responsibility of their gear and logistics. most of the marines focused on in novels who get away with shit like that are usually notable, whereas Legionnaire Snuffy is going to get his butthole blown out with the Crimson Fist itself for ditching equipment unnecessarily.
>>98398756>powerplugcall it what it is, a primaris reactor
>>98398537>this giant engine is exactly good enough to keep the flying bike aloft and shoot its gun whether that's a fusion reactor or a rapid heavy rpg>you may not plug in
>>98398113I want desecrated Custodes weapon to be a one-time Prime Advantage for a Traitor Command choice, but the profiles of the weapons you can choose from all have Overload (1) on them to represent the giant-ass swordguns being poorly maintained and only barely wieldable even by marines
>>98397559Chapterhouse lost bro I don't know what to tell you if you're going to be ignoring reality like this
>>98398888as best i grasp argel tal is only capable of activating a toad's spear properly because in murdering the poor fuck he took it from he also snatched a volume of the custodian's blood to store within himself so as to activate the thing as necessary given it's biocoded or whatever to its intended userergo, something only reasonably accomplished by a gal vorbak fucking monster
>>98398743>>98398756>>98398774Wtf are you talking about, have you ever read a WS story? They dismount all the time, and also carry melee weapons for a reason
>>98398946scars are mongoloid rape babies that obviously suffer similar compulsions to those which saddle the likes of a world eater ;^3
and that is what they are to the bitter lastyou could take a baseline human that is like, dark heart of africa black as hell and once they're finished pozzing him with jaghatai's seed he's gonna look starkly mongolian despite any lingering skin tone
You can tell it's summer holidays when the average post quality takes a fucking nosedive.
>>98398946i don't care what's written in your marvel comics cockbooks for morons, thanks. my guys are red because i like red. they shoot guns because i like guns. you can suck me. start w/ tip.
>>98399118Anon that's not the summer, it just means it's time for the poles to post.
>>98399128Shit like this post is why I steer as far away from the "game", and a good 80% of the fanbase IRL, as much as possible.
>>98399308>I avoid the game because people are having fun and not in the way I like it!post hands, slav.
>>98399311Its not that. Nothing in what was posted there screamed any sort of real "fun" to me at all. Guy sounds like a WAACfag who would be screaming at other players across the room if he noticed they were doing ANYTHING outside of what HE thinks should be done in this game, whether it was modelling/playing/painting, really ANYTHING. He sounds more like the >"those guys are having fun, AND NOT IN THE WAY I LIKE IT, REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE"type to me.
>>98399319Extremely funny extrapolation from him saying he didn't read the books. Meds.
>>98399319I sense some projection happening here, kek
endryd you a busta'
>>98398953>>98398981>>98399128>mild discussion about jet bike design>resort to shit flinging and retarded nonsenseNiggers
>>98396680>>98396368Just got my Knight Atrapos from Great Xiao, super easy to put together and way less parts than I thought
>>98398891>ChapterHouse lostAre you referring to how they’ve closed down?They won the court case and gw is still bleeding from the wounding.
>>98399539Yeah but GW shills will close their eyes and deny reality. This is the same people who justify the over priced slop of modern GW content.
>>98399539>and gw is still bleeding from the woundingIs this how were describing "they are now zealously shutting down 3rd parties"? Because it doesent seem to have had much of a negative impact on their business.
>>98400084It does for HH. The only reason that HH is even getting enough support is the fact that the majority of the armies out there are recast or 3d printed.
>>98400107I disagree, the vast majority of heresy armies are GW bought, with maybe printed custom details and the odd special unit.
>>98400135>I disagree, the vast majority of heresy armies are GW boughtAnon i have some bad new for you, they are lying to you if you think thats the case. I have been in this hobby for over 15 years i have been to many tournaments and gatherings. I can count on 1 hand the number of times i ever saw someone show up with a legit FW titan.I have in my 15 years only ever seen ONE person who had a full FW army, and that was becuase i was there when they were ordering the shit from GW, and that was only because they got a 50% employee discount. Every single person i have played at west coast events, have at least half or more of their shit being recast and or 3d prints. Its only recently that people started getting lots of legit models in their army due to plasics finally being available for line units.
>>98400107>The only reason that HH is even getting enough support isThat it makes GW money. GW does not do things that they believe are losing them money, the reason they made HH was that they thought it would be profitable and the reason it remained a thing a decade down the line is that it was profitable. Because selling overpriced resin is good for their bottom line.
>>98400170Oh its still making them money, because their plastic kits are a godsend to us, but recasters and 3d printers are eating into the potential profits of 30k far more then they are 40k. Aint no one out there buying legit FW vehicles anymore.Im not saying they are not making money, ill make that clear, my entire point is this.Out of all the three big games of theirs, 40k, 30k, and AoS, 30k is the one that has the most 3d and recast stuff out there that is working against GW and if it was not for those recasters and 3d printers i dont personally think HH would be as strong as it is. People are willing to shell out like 80 bucks for 20 tactical marines and plastic terminators because plastic just is a lot nicer to work with. But no one wants to shell out 250 bucks for a fucking fire raptor gunship, or 125 bucks for a fucking javalin speeder that costs i think less then 100 points in the game?
>>98400153if we were talking about Old World I'd accept that in a hot second because it's a game with good rules and bad models and no one plays it for aesthetics. Heresy is the opposite it has shit rules and good models, people have always put money down for the resins and continue to put money down for the plastics. The amount of times you've seen a FW titan is the amoung of times I've seen a complete 3d printed heresy army.
>>98400203>good rulesThe rules are dogshit even by gw standards. Game is amazingly streamlined for the most dumbest of retards while still having all the tedium of what a rank and flank entails. I think I would sooner play conquest before I pick up that trash again.
>>98400203For old world on yeah i agree with you. I think GW finally putting out a lot of shit in plastic is curbing the problem of recasters and 3d printers thankfully, but there is still a lot of it. I would wager if you see a model that is only offered in resin, odds are its a recast. Again i use the fire raptor, aint fucking no one buying that as a legit FW model, for 250 bucks. >>98400225I have not played Old world in a hot minute are casters still broken as fuck?
>>98400186>but recasters and 3d printers are eating into the potential profits of 30k far more then they are 40k.Are they? Did bethesda lose money because I pirated fallout 4? If I pirate it 200 more times will they lose more money? When I buy a bunch of recast parts GW isnt losing money because I was never going to buy those parts from them. >Aint no one out there buying legit FW vehicles anymore.Lmao. Yes they are. Just like people buy legit recons or characters or primarchs. Theyre rare, but they were always rare, FW was always the "prestige" thing few people had. The reason HH worked as a business model is that GW doesent care, they sell a premium product at insane markup which means a small number of people buying it makes them their money (that is/was literally the point of FW, even moreso than warhammer at large). >and if it was not for those recasters and 3d printers i dont personally think HH would be as strong as it is.You are conflating cause and effect. It is recast BECAUSE it was popular and people wanted an in they could not otherwise afford. The recasts existed after those original overpriced FW resin pieces got made and people started buying them. >would not be as strong as it isMeaning what? If someone plays a GW game without buying GW stuff then from GWs perspective they may as well not exist, they dont matter. But also>the game is (from GWs perspective) suffering because of 3rd parties and recasters, but also without them it wouldnt be as strongAnon youre schizophrenic. >But no one wants to shell out 250 bucks for a fucking fire raptor gunship, or 125 bucks for a fucking javalin speeder that costs i think less then 100 points in the game?People do and did. Less people, but GW has no reason to care.
>>98400231>I have not played Old world in a hot minute are casters still broken as fuck?No, magic is dogshit and a level 4 caster has around a 50% chance to get their spells off, dropping significantly with any sort of MR.>>98400203>with good rules and bad modelsWrong way round. As far as rules go TOW is pretty middling, in many ways a step down from 8th. But it brings back a lot of classic models so thats nice. You play warhammer for the aesthetics, not the rules.
>>98400225you're trying too hard anon
>>98400231>are casters still broken as fuck?No, they "fixed" them by making levels kinda useless. so now while having a 4 level caster is not mandatory it makes things kinda...I dont know how to put it but magic overall is not a proactive thing currently. Each update to tow is always 1 step forward and 2 steps back from a game design perspective.
>>98400252I think going too far would be me mentioning kings of war as being a better alternative. I would say 9th age too but I dont know a lick about its rules.
>>98400290Why is it that every single rank and flank is infested by tourneyfags anyway, I like the idea of the mechanics but I refused to get involved in other comp focused wargame after going through a year of 9th Ed 40k.
These bad boys arrived today
>>98400520why are you black?
>>98396151>Click on download>Full page porn adMan I just want my plastic rules
>>98400528bro just click the button
>>98400170>GW does not do things that they believe are losing them moneyWrong. Just look at the troonstodes lore-retcon.
>>98400531I was able to download it just fine I just wasn't expecting to get flashbanged by backshots
>>98400540BACKSHOT OUT! BREACH AND CLEANSE, BROTHERS!
>>98400528>not using adblock in year of our lord MMXXVIYou deserve everything coming to you
>>98400520What legion?
>>98400520There are dozens of niggers waiting in every shadow anon. We're gonna jump you and steal your jetbike.
>>98400582Nigger stole my jetbike!
he's painting them as salamanders, obviously
>>98400520>>98400582XIXth?
>>98400520>>98400582>MkIIIs>melee weapons>rapiersWhat are you cooking?>steal your jetbikeJoke's on you, I don't have one. It was stolen.
>>98400656No no, he's very likely an Iron Warriors player.
>>98400743What if they're Ultramarines?
>>98400665>>98400665Different people anon
>>98400520>Gemini watermark
>>98400781>people
Fellas, do you feel guilty about just using raw unconverted legion models? I really love the sons of horus praetor, but something just feels wrong about using a character model straight out of the box, but swapping in bits feels like it would just break the unified aesthetics of the model...
>>98401045Relic gear. Problem solved.
>>98400540What, no adblock of any kind? I havent seen an ad ANYWHERE online in almost 10 solid years. Not on websites, twitter, youtube vids, nowhere.
>>98401045woah this guy looks cool
>>98401045>Fellas, do you feel guilty about just using raw unconverted legion models?Nope. I do often convert, but if a model is good as is? Why fuck with it. My terminator centurion is just the "default" model with a headswap.
>>98390875>picserious lore question, why wouldn't this work?
>>98400590KEK
>>98391224Maybe you need to think less then, because your thoughts seem to stray into very homosexual directions
>>98391268> And They Shall Know No Fear > Unless it's a spooky fugly meat suit man in parts of Astartes power armorOne or the other
>>98401256I'll show you how fruity my thoughts can be lover boy
>>98401279Jesus Christ is my savior soooo..... No. I don't think so queer. Enjoy hell
>>98400528Using the internet without an ad blocker is like fielding cataphractii without a land raider or spartan. Nobody sane does it.
>>98401045converting is fun but not everything needs to be converted
>>98401256What about magents makes you start thinking about homoeroticism? Maybe you need to seek Christ
>>98401509>Magnets are always attracted to other magnets>Anon is always attracted to other men, and so obsessed it's always on his mindIt kinda makes sense when you think about it.
>>98401543>Opposite poles attract>Same poles repelDoesn't add up
>>98401546then why are you wearing that turtleneck
>>98401558Ok you got me
>>98401045My buddy makes fun of me for having to convert everything and not being able to just have a normal unit, but when it comes to the larger (dreadnought and up) models I actually have been regretting not having some box standard models for comparison's sake.
>>98401606>someone actually did itKEKEK
So how about that Scouring?
>>98401789I have a lot of dry skin so I can't or else it'll bleed
>>98401789Fuck off and die. Painfully, and slowly.
>>98401503agreed, I love converting or kitbashing HQs, even if its a simple armswap
>>98401946>my finger>is on the button
>>98401973(Push the button)*House Music Intensifies*
>>98401973
>>98401973well yeah, he'll fix everything if he presses it
>>98401973>>98402062>button that summons two hundred castellax
More work on the warlord legs.Post your WIPs anons.Also if any of you have cool idea for how to paint a volcano cannon I'm all ears
>>98401045I have to convert literally everything. It takes forever. Don't be me.
>>98402222owns hard and yeah its clear you skilled up with the repaint
>>98401946https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQ9TM3yMxGI
>>98400528Imagine not running full-spectrum adblocking in the year 202026.
>>98402855>good luck with your scrapcode faggot i'm behind three noospheric insulating barriers
>had a sanguinary guard with power fist>ripped it off since it didn't have rules>carved it up a bit to make a fist and shield custodian>who also don't have rules anymore>ripping it off again to make a command squad
>>98403008pitiable creature
>>98403008JUST play older ed
Did the arbites exist during the GC and HH era? Been thinking of using the kill team as solar aux veletaris raiders for a penal cohort
>>98403064Probably but they wouldn't be too similar to their 40k versions.
>>98403069Sad
>>98403064I would assume yes, local militarized police would exist anyways on most planets conquered by the imperial truth.
>>98403069Why not? Would Palatine Enforcers be a better fit?
>>98403087nta but if you were wanting to do an explicitly 30k-era military police force that might be a good angle to approach it from rather than standard 40gay astartesthe world of necromunda has been in the human and imperial fold for a very, very long time
>>98403087Bear in mind that they're relatively taller models, similar to newer 30k marines in height if you're concerned about that.
>>98403119>astartesarbites**********brb kms at last
>>98403087The models are fine even if a bit on the bigger end, it's the fluff behind 40k arbites that's essentially a way to show how much of an inept dictatorship the imperium became, where you have judge dredd wannabes roaming around. The only forces that iirc have a similar role in 30k are the imperiial army, whose cohorts/regiments get pieces of them left behind for garrisoning and policing duties like at Isstvan 3 and the various secret agencies the administatum had around for stuff like destroying religious things like the elucidators. After writing this I remembered 3.0 actually expanded on that and made up a imperialis provost provenance for militia which does mention the army but does also expand on that and gives them the proto-arbite angle without making them enforce retarded draconian shit like killing the entirety of a surname on a planet because someone stole half a ration that's meant to go offworld to the guard.
>>98403064>>98403069>>98403168Yeah as anon mentioned, they pretty much explicitly supported using the new arbites models with a new militia provenance. Personally, I'd use them with some wargames Atlantic prisoner models and the alchemjackers provenance to represent the prisoners as levy of militia and grenadiers as arbiters.
What do you think about Procurators?
>>98403445me own fookin' son.... playin' three-point-oh....
>>98403445>I don't play[correct buzzer]>I only collect...[incorrect buzzer]>And paint[EXTREMELY LOUD INCORRECT BUZZER]
I wish there was more benefit to being the one charging. Partially just from playing zone mortalis but there feels like not much reward for being more mobile than your opponent.
>>98403521Are you 15?
>>98403577That meme is old enough to post on this site, anon
>>98403445>Zero votes for I don't play and I don't own any minisThat's how you know /hhg/ is full of liars.
>>98403678There were at least 14 of them in that poll
>>98403688You mean 32. Nobody is playing 3.0
>>98403210SOVLFVL unit, shit rules
There used to be a mega link with the audiobooks here. Does that still exist somewhere?
>>98403936Nope. All the megas are gone. There are corporate cock suckers in this thread that instantly report any link for sharing stuff. Your only chance is posting a request with what you are looking for, and praying there is one extremely kind and based anon who replies with a temporary link.
>>98403210it's a slightly easier to use, worse Herald in a unit of worse Destroyers; better than a Herald in some ways in that you can add more of them (to prevent lucky snipes taking out your VP factory) but it's hella expensive to do that as it's a minimum 215 points just to have 2 Procurators and everybody with basic equipment; for this you're giving up an Elites slot, ideally one with Prime, because they're going to need True Believersin a big game, where points don't really matter? full send, full squad, go nuts, small game, nobut they only get Flesh Harvest points if they forced an enemy Unit to leave combat or massacred it, which is fairly unlikely unless you sic them on Aux or Militia, since there's next to nothing you can put in the unit to help them win combats easily, and no matter how many Procurators you have on the field, you only score once (and for the highest scoring squad)Heralds at least have WS5 and Fear (1) to get them through
>>98404012They have Bitter Duty so no Heralds, only Moritats
>>98403922Cope
>>98404046read it again
>>98403959Ive posted at LEAST 5 requests in the thread and NEVER gotten an answer. Just go to audiobookbay.lu and search for the book title, thats what I do now.
>>98404432I don't remember hhg ever having an audiobook mega, we've only had rules and other misc pdfs
>>98404432stop being a beggar poorfag is the answer
Why are some HQs locked into certain loadouts? Like the legion champion has to take a volkite/combi and paragon blade. Or the warsmith can take whatever if he's in artificer armor but if you put him in terminator armor he has no options and is forced to take combi grav and grav crusher. It feels a little weird because sometimes you have options and other times you don't
>>98404696because its what comes in the box
>>98404696It's a 40k-ism that got carried over in 30k's 2nd edition and despite everyone's reaction to how bad it is in 3.0 it's something I expect to become more and more prevalent.
>>98404841I DESPISE that the warsmith models, BOTH OF THEM, only come with that hokey ass hammer.....pls james, just give us a kit to build them with a couple different weapons...pls....
>>98404480I meant in the request thread on the torrent board, not in here, I already know id just get blasted to hell if I requested in here.
>>98404841>>98405043this is irritating me about the saturnine praetor, trying to think of fun ways to convert a more interesting counts as for the axe+hammer, i like that miraheze at least suggests making it one double sided weaponon that note has anyone thought of a more fun place to put the plasma cannon?
he's nearly finished. does he look cool? also I'm looking for the STL on my pc for the guy who asked earlier
>>98405150Awesome. I'm at least one of the people who asked, keep us posted bro.
I think I prefer them without the goofy pauldrons.
>>98404841what size is that IW praetor? Is he bigger than seige termies?
>>98405150ye he pretty kewl my chtolnian gang nigga
>>98405282It was mentioned in the design interview that saturnines were deliberately made so people could choose to leave the shoulderpads off if they wanted.
>>98405282>>98405372Tbh I'd like a compromise. Pauldrons, but more sensible ones.
>>98405440Nah I think the oversized pauldrons are great. It's what Warhammer, and especially saturnine, have always been about. People that don't like them can just leave them off, seems like enough of a compromise to me.
>>98405282cringe. the dumb giga pauldrons is the main appeal
>Take WE Inductii + Butcher Surgeon>Give Butcher Surgeon a Barb Hook Lash>Inductii are now 4 attacks & T5 on the charge and marines are baseline S3Is it just me or is this very strong for how cheap it is.
In both of these cases, why didn't GW just say that these are mini dreadnoughts? I feel like people would like them more that way
>>98401045legion iconography has to go in my opinion, but other than that go for it. i dig having unique models in my army and got a converted alpha legion praetor as a siege master for my tyrant termies.
>>98402047That's not real right?
>>98403959Is it actually GW employees that frequent these forums specifically looking for violations?
>>98405919No. It's just some losers who can only feel a momentary relief from their eternal suffering by ruining the day of others.
>>98405856It pretty much describes saturnine terminators being that in forges of saturn. The suits require a neural interface link in addition to the black carapace, the same tech that is used in dreadnoughts (and even titans)40k centurions are an absolute joke that should have never been created.
>>98405918Slight edit of the OG (bottom left corner).
>>98405955Oh, neat, didn't know that, yeah centurions are shit but maybe they could have been at least half decent if they didn't go with "we put power armour inside power armour" and removed the shoulder pit guns
>>98405985What in the god damn fuck? Who would approve of such a thing?
>>98406005Same people who put more parts into one foot of a Saturnine dreadnought than an entire space marine (inc. pouches).
>>98406005what are you drilling 5mm post holes in power fists or somethingget the fuck outta here
>>98405955>suits from saturn made their way to terra before the end of the unifications wars>required technology that wasn't available until space marines were createdHow difficult would it have been to just make them into normal suits of terminator armour, James? They could've been the 30k equivalents to Indomitus like in your own fluff.
>>98406024The first marines fought during the end stages of the Unification Wars.
>>98405856well if you'd ever seen the back of a Centurion you'd know it's notTerminators are Tactical Dreadnought Armour officially, so they are :)
>>98406030How convenient for Saturn (who didn't even ally with Terra until just before the Great Crusade left Sol) to have suits usable only by soldier who didn't exist before. Did the writers forget that you didn't need black carapace to use TDA (which is why humans could use it, such as Inquisitors) and there are also dreadnoughts that don't require black carapace?
Got a ton of work done on The Alkahest today.What are (you) working on anon?
>>98406047Power armour was also developed and used before space marines existed. Your point?
>>98406098Power armour doesn't require black carapace, as evident by all the non-marines who use it.
>>98403210Where are the rules for them?
>>98406116And what makes you think the earliest versions of what would later become saturnine armour could not be used without a black carapace?
>>98406130The fluff.
>>98406162But the fluff doesn't say that. The fluff even says that the legions didn't get their first saturnine armour until after the Unification Wars, as you can read in the lore excerpt posted. Maybe you should read Forges of Saturn first, properly, and then come back.
>>98406024>>suits from saturn made their way to terra before the end of the unifications warsGot a source on this? Can't find anything that backs this up.
>>98406170>legions didn't get their first saturnine armour until after the Unification Wars>"Introduced to service in very small numbers during the later Unification Wars">"Saturnine armour enters the Imperial record alongside other armour types developed during the Unification Wars."https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/mv2za3uy/saturnine-armour-the-lore/
>>98406198Anon... the sentence mentioning during the unification wars is about terminator armour. Not saturnine armour specifically. Reading comprehension is not your strongest point it seems.Forges of Saturn also has more specific lore and timelines on the exact development of saturnine armour, so that takes precedent. Not to mention how often warhammer community has gotten shit blatantly wrong before, lmfaoSo if you were upset about terminator armour like cataphractii, you might have had a point.
>>98406198But where does it say the earliest versions of saturnine armour could not be used without a black carapace?
>>98406219>article on saturnine armour>specifically says Saturnine entered records during Unification Wars>"nah, it's not talking about the saturnine armour"That's some Mars pattern copium.
>>98406255I can't help the fact you're illiterate. And you still haven't addressed my question, which was where in the fluff it says that the first versions of saturnine didn't work without a black carapace. Have a nice day.
>>98406120Legacies?(they score VP if the sgt survives combats where enemy infantry dies and they survive the game, kind of like a herald, but theyre rather overpriced)
>>98406264Bye-bye.
>>98390875Just got back from a great game, Dangles vs WB, Dangles won by 1 point. Opponant was running logar, 6 of their special saturnine, a herald and 2 of their special dreads in a battle bus (Mastadon) was a close game, only won due to some clever manuvering. But his Mastadon toon like 3 full ass turns of shooting from a felblades full monte before it went down.
>>98406198for what its worth, saturnine is both the oldest and the newest version of terminator armor. It originally existed around the unification wars, but IIRC it was really fucking hard to make so much so they basically gave up on it and it was lost to time. Vulkan then found it, reworked it, fixed the problems with it, and made it work and orignally was going to use it at Istvaan but when the drop site happened he commanded the ship carrying them to GTFO because he did not want the traitors getting his finished version of them which was better then what others could have made.
>>98406074i have a hard time making a dent in the pile. take too much time per model
Does this mean the unit can only go up to 11 models? Or that I can add however many I want (up until the ZM limit, ofc)
>>98406940Typo that got FAQd, should be up to 10 additional
>>98407000Thanks
>>98406219Wasn't the new lore that Saturnine terminator armour was developed by Vulkan?
>>98407071The new lore is a hot fucking mess when it comes to saturnine My understanding is thus. It existed during the unification warsIt was a royal bitch to make so much so that they basically just took what they learned from it, and made terminator armor as we know it. Vulkan dug up the old patterns and basically fixed them in regards to a standard model of them.Vulkan also, according to guy, so take it what you will, created a special artificer version of Saturnine which had all the bells and whistles, namely it was the source of the shoulder mounted weaponry and apparently was jsut a salamander thing. THen the rest of the legions raided the coffers for any sort of edge tehy could get and whala we got saturnine. Either way the nuLore for it is kinda turbo ass because its all over the fucking place, not that there is anything wrong with saturnine, its just GW cant get their story straight.
for very first steps into building an army with an incredibly condensed zomo nl list trying to figure out distributing sat praetor+3 termis, 25 tacs(to be built so unit options are open), and a rapier, besides terror squads how would you divide up the bulk of the infantry?
>>98407137Anon, do you wanna try and reask what you were trying to say because IDK what the fuck you just tried to explain or convey.
>>98407152sorry lolmaking very condensed night lords list for zone mortalissitting on sat praetor + 3 termies, a rapier, and 25 tacs (that can be modeled as whatever right now)trying to figure out a way to divide the tacs/what specific units to run in a reasonable* list that has a chance to function into a similarly stripped down one
>zone mortalis>take bulwark primary detachment>tribune, shield captain, one of each contemptor>prime advantage a dread, clade operative, pick your favorite assassin>apex detachment officer cadre>another tribune and shield captain>7 single model units running around
>>98403936i can provide you with individual audiobooks as required but i value my mega accounts which i actually use for other purposes too much for further takedowns on a giant folder of them
>>98392126is that a fucking unown
>>98406547A really nice paintjob anon. Do you build your whole army with such a level of details? If yes this would be impressive. Post while army pics pls.
>>98403936nice try BL
>>98405919Maybe not but some boot lickers report them to GW for good goy points.
Is zone mortalis as a game mode popular? I wanna get into heresy but NGL I've never painted vehicles before and Solar Aux;'s amount of them kinda feel overwhelming, so I wanted to at least start out with ZM.
>>98407634The better question is if 30k is popular in your area. I'm sure if there is a 30k community in your area you can find people to play zm with.
>>98407634the heresy isn't popular period, and ZM is a tiny part of it. It only exists as a buddy game you have no chance of playing it at an LGS they won't keep terrain in for it, and the game fucking sucks without playing in a maze.
>>98407689>The better question is if 30k is popular in your area.Decently so>I'm sure if there is a 30k community in your area you can find people to play zm with.Amazing thanks!
>>98407560nah it's not all painted like thismost of them are pretty clean, i've only tried weathering recently
>>98407634Yeah also there was Centurion mode made by the aussies back in 1.0
>>98407690The terrain isn't that hard. A decent lgs will have enough terrain to make a functional layout. Plus with the smaller size it's a lot easier to play at home than a normal game.
>>98407736what's the ZM size btw?
>>98407749Generally 36"x48"Half the size of a regular board. But if you want to make a more advanced scenario or have enough terrain, you can make it bigger if you really want to.
>>98406010Saturnine foot is fully posable and the marines arent
>>98407779Meanwhile, the legs are locked in their pose by pegs in the joints.
disregarding removing whatever iconography should i be good enough to go stealing the bolt pistols and chain paddles from some old black reach era boyz i have wrt visual cohesion?
>>98407790Oh no I have to spend half a second cutting a peg off
>>98407749It was 48x48" in the free pdf GW released early in edition, but it's 36x48" in the journal. Personally, I like 48x48" a bit more.
>>98407843I'm glad the point has not been missed by you.
>>98400578Fists>>98400739Just a veteran cadre squad with bolt pistols and lightning claws. Then maybe a chosen squad
>>98407864Not that you could make it on your own
If any of you anons know of any store that still has old cataphractii boxes in stock then please tell me, I've been scouring Europe for them
I'd like a plastic Mhara Gal Dreadnought.
>>98406547You keep putting yourself down.It's not a competition, I haven't assembled let alone painted a miniature in almost a decade.
should I use a saboteur in ZM?the choice is between him or a castaferrum dreadnought really, via a logistical benefit
>>98408116Its funny. Do it.
>>98408116boxnoughts are pretty cashi'd go for one unless you're very enthused about the narrative entailments of a saboteur being involved or whatnot
>>98407964wish granted, it's pronounced M'harag-al and it comes with optional Alpha Legion iconograpy and a fedora
>>98407071No, Vulkan only refined the design and made it less of a pain in the ass to repair and maintain. >>98407113>It was a royal bitch to make so much so that they basically just took what they learned from it, and made terminator armor as we know it.That's not what the current lore says. Saturnine was developed either alongside or slightly after the other patterns of terminator armour. The main difference is that Cataphractii and Tartaros were developed by the Mechanicum, whilst Saturnine armour was made by the tech-enclaces of Phoebe.Also Vulkan magnanimously send stocks of saturnine to all legions after finishing the improvements, right before Horus' openly rebelled against the Emperor.
>>98408116Definitely, saboteurs are a lotta fun. Peak AL shenanigans.
>>98407965nta but I appreciate your honesty
>>984079643d print?
>>98407904if you cannot find them consider recasts
>>98407852ok cheers anon
is it true, does the nu-mkIV come with a bolt pistol for the sarge?
>>98408304The store page seems to suggest so. But then again GW's store page for scatter dice still says it has one hit symbol, despite scatter dice actually having two. They still haven't corrected this for over one and a half edition lmfao
>>98408304no it does not
>>98408304yeah there's enough bps for all the mk4 assault marines
new thread >>98408782
