Skaventide edition>Previously, in the Mortal Realms>>98389408>Official AoS website:https://www.ageofsigmar.com>Downloads, Rules Errata, and FAQs:https://www.warhammer-community.com/warhammer-age-of-sigmar-downloads/>Toolshttps://runebrush.pa-sy.com/warscroll/https://lordbaconbane.github.io/aoswarscrollcreator/>4e Booksgofile.io/d/JXpc9g>Anvil of Apotheosis hero creator (old):https://aosg.github.io/https://sigdex.io/>Thread Questions:What does your faction think of Skaven?
>>98401533Skaven really shouldn't have been a starter army, they're background enemies until the shit really hits the fan >rumoured end times setting shift Oh
So now that we digested the releas, rate ogors out of 10
>>984015856/10. The generic ogres are great. The named characters range from boring/bland to shit. Also the actual background lore for the characters is boring.
I want to convert the vampire lord like in Pic related, using the knight of shrouds sword. Would snipping and glueing the blade and handle be enough, or would that be too flimsy?
>>98401614I'd pin it.
>>984015858/10, would be 9/10 if I really liked mawseekers but bcr is for lyfe for me. Not really mush misses, I think the enitre army blends in well with each other overall and actually looks better when its all put toegether if that makes sense.
>>98401533>TQMy tzeentch arcanites dont like them because they dont have anything to infaltrate, and they dont really have demons that can sway them one way or the other. So they probably job to them.My sylvaneth treelord group doesnt like them either because ruination is great for harvesting season.
>>98401533>page 7>shit tqSurprised this wasn't a piccolo thread. Still, fuck off throoder>>98401585Alright here goes:>gluttonsSolid 8/10 redesign, couple of things I miss like the beartraps and shit, and I don't like the new helmet shape but overall very happy. Good anount of weapon options too, especially all the ironfists are nice. >ironguts 9/10 fucking love their look and probably my favourite unit based off that alone, but I can't in good conscience give them a 10 because only one extra weapon option is really lame>hunters (+ sabretusks)7/10, they're pretty cool, not much to say. The frost sabre redesign was well done. Maybe I'm too harsh on them because leadbelchers are so iconic and this feels less interesting>maulbeasts6/10, wasn't a fan at first but they've grown on me somewhat. Would probably still wanna greenstuff some fur on the fuckers though >butcher5/10, don't like him much but I hated the old model so I guess technically it's an improvement? But yeah not a big fan>cleaversBasically mini butchers so also not really my jam, 6/10. Do like the gutplate designs here though.>gutseekersSeem like more interesting cleavers to me, 7/10.>Redd8/10, easily the best character. Love this fatass and his pot, though I really wish he dumped the sidekicks because his base is much too large for no reason.>grell5/10, the design itself is fine, but nothing about her screams character? She barely even looks like a generic hero, more like a leadbelcher unit champion at best. At least she seems to imply maneaters/leadbelchers coming back at some point.>morga/tyrant on glutthorn3/10, probably the biggest letdown. Was looking forward to a big hippo but it's all around kind of meh. Has the same problem grell has, she doesn't really look like a tyrant at all, let alone THE overtyrant. Just looks like a normal glutton climbed on a big fat rhino.Overall a solid 7/10 refresh imo; basic troops were done very well but named characters were meh. /blog
>>98401676Oh, I forgot about the tyrant. Solid 7.5, I really appreciate the options, especially compared to his predecessor who was extremely monopose. Unfortunately he's pretty bland (as has been a running theme). At least give hem a unique weapon like an axe or something, and a gutplate that stands out more. Add some horns like on the old one, idk. Also would've preferred him to be a bit bulkier. He is a tyrant after all.
Skaven are bad eatin', but lotsa 'em.
I dont care for a skaven mto. Give me them back. Bundle them with the underworlds warband even with it in a mto. I'll buy it twice over.
>>984015857/10i like some things, dislike others.redd is boring. morga doesnt look special enough for a named character (her mount isnt much fancier, no big fancy weapon or head dress, indistinguishable from the generic rider at a glance), gluttons look good, no notes there. ironguts are very dissapointingly monopose i really would have loved to see more customization on the ironguts so you could build more than 3 of them with how good the new models look. dogs are a bit unusual but a big improvement over mournfangs, and the new unit of hunters on foot is great. maneaters and leadbelchers both dissapearing with no update is sad, you have a new named maneater/leadbelcher fusion with no unit to lead. the loss of gnoblars is actually tragic. they were a funny little element of soul the army carried with it that you could totally take or leave if you wanted to but gave the army some character, especially all the little extra basing gnoblars in every kit trying to imitate their masters. the army lost some of its personality with that, i dont care what heywoah says about gnoblars, he's wrong.the new butchers, and butcher units are cool, i like that they are exploring more of the ogres religion, and im glad the gorger mawpack stays. the loss of the mawpot is very weird and thematically sad, even if it was clunky on the table. could have used more theming around the glittermaws, i would rather have seen globb himself and his realmstone teeth than his personality void of a daughter. the characters lack jangles and ornamentation iconic of previous ogre character models, and the new tyrants on foot arent big enough or decorated enough but otherwise are okay sculpts.
>>98401763You and I both, Anon.
Stormbringer launches in the 1st of September
>>98401955wut, isn't stormbringer over?
Dead game
>>98401994why are you in the /aosg/ instead of at the club playing Age of Sigmar with the bros at this time of the evening on a Friday night? We're all waiting for you and your new Ogors to show up to the party. Come on in and bring a six pack, the owner's cool with it
>the "I'm a huge faggot please fuck my face" no lifer janny is back againThis board is unusable, have fun talkin to the 2 people who can actually stand you you miserable autistic faggot. There's a reason everyone moved to twitter.
>>98402178Is that the shaerk one or what?
>Playan Spearhead with a pal>Crixxit's Shank Squad vs Fantasy World Eaters>He dives in turn 1 with his bulls and offs Crixxit, takes heavy casualties in the rebound tho>I manage to kill his general and most of his naked bloodmen with my night runners>After another round, night runners & a pack of gutter runners are wiped and he's on my side of the board with what's left of his burly bloodmen>Unleash my trap card>Respawn Crixxit at 2 hp and my skaven across his half of the board>Starting to dominate score wise>He tries to recoup and axe Crixxit>mfw I roll the hottest I've ever rolled and Crixxit survives two whole fights on 2 hp and a dream>Win with a massive points canyon of 1 VPThese rats are dope
>>98402769complete rat bastard victory, you love to see it
>>98401533https://x.com/MachDominus/status/2080610649189573082I laughed
>>984015856/10. I don't like the army, but it's not bad
So the spearhead magazines are coming out in the US starting September. It will most likely be 15 bucks per issue. In total it will be 12 complete spearheads. Subscriptions arrive monthly so you get 4 a month, still 15 bucks PER issue though. Im curious on your thoughts on it. The whole thing seems not worth it, especially since issues contain paint or terrarin. And the starting issues are basically the starter box which is super cheap. Some issues are decent though like the eels, or rat ogres. The individual issues go on sale after a bit of them having come out, but I suspect these to get gobbled up near instantly. I do think it will drive ebay prices down a bit. I personally would like the dinos if I could get them. Anyone else have any thoughts?
Anyone got a download for 4th ed Sylvaneth?
>>984015856or7/10Butchers look great, Most rank and file units looks good. Reddit looks ehhh, Morga doesn't look special enough. Over all I guess it's a good range refresh but it's could have been Great. Like that of Lizardmen or Skaven.
>>98401533>TQI play DOK and Seraphon. Answer is simple. EXTERMINATE
>>98403203I assume you can't just subscribe for 1 month and then cancel?
>>98403290I looked at it and it seems to be true ya. The main catch is you also need to send them an email to cancel, theres no like auto cancel, near as I can tell anyway. And they say allow 28 days for it to take effect and blah blah blah. So I think its safe to assume if you sub your probabbly getting 2 months and just doing 1 is hard. Also alot of this is setup in a way thats annoying. Like take my lizardmen. If I wanted the kroxigors and carnosaur they split it in such a way that the carnosaur is split over 2 months. I will say month 1 is probabbly worth it since the first 2 issues are cheaper and they say 1 issue free.
>>98403265Lizard update was a tier above the Skaven one even if it was smaller.Skaven was jsut "wow this thing i already have, but it isn't older than 9/11!"
>>98403412I keep forgetting these guys are a thing
>>98403415I think about Belakor's legion all the time
Was thinking about putting together a casual Stormcast army out starter sets, bundles ect that I've built up over the years.... why is this army so fucking scuffed. The army somehow has the most warscrolls but feels like it has no options, everything is incredibly samey so all that matters is minor differences in efficiency. The points are weird - why is Bastion only 190 points? Why are Liberators weaker than regular human foot knights? Not to mention half the models are of questionable life expectancy. Are extremis and vanguard surving next editon? Fuck knows. What are they thinking
>>98403203Cheap Skulls boxes will be nice. Shame there are no KO this time.
>>98403421>Why are Liberators weaker than regular human foot knightsWhole edition of power creep
>>98403421>What are they thinkingthey are a trap for beginners, just like marines
>>98403412Where is this from?
>>98403423Didn’t even realize that, really hope the individual magazines become available to purchase soon. Even if I don’t like how they split most kits.
>>98403435Core book
>>98403425It's not even that, Liberators and like 90% of SC infantry have always been ass. They get the stats of human units while being the size of ogres. There's a reason most SC strats historically revolve around either shooting, some kind of monstrous cavalry unit or in rare cases squads of super-elite infantry, ie the few infantry units that are capable of killing anything.
>>98403466woe, 10 stormdrake riders upon ye
>>98403440If the brit version is anything to go off, they realease individual for sale about a month after the actual wave (probably just whatever extra they made). But they also sell out REALLY fast I think. If you can rember to buy them they seem good though. I wouldnt mind spending 60 bucks for 2 squads of kroxigors.
>>98403415All according to plan! They're a subterfuge saboteur unit ironically, despite how much they stand out
>>98401763>Boarboys go web only in 3rd edition >Aw, lame I'll wait for them to come back >Squatted and I'm sitting here with like 200 Bonesplitterz infantry from picking one up whenever I see them at my lgs visits FUCK
Grell x Morga is the tragic yuri shop we deserve
>>98403203Minor saving but Stabbas and terrain are cheap I guess?Worth it exponentially but the older mags were a lot better value
whats the max amount of Grundstok Gunhaulers one would want historically?
>>98403412we thinking 5th edition's rumoured StD wave might look like these guys?
>>98403620They're just a throwaway Warcry unit
>>98403526There's a while AoR built around them
>>98401585I'm gonna say 7/10, but it's not for me so that's kinda a ballpark estimate
>>98403623Wintermaw my beloved
>>984015853/10 They're just Ogres and I don't care but I drop it from a 5 because the Pixar horned dogs look terrible
>>98403764>the Pixar horned dogs look terribleSkill issue bro
>>98403623>tags: enemies to lover, threesome, incest
>>98403764>pixarI understand thie criticism when it comes to something like the stormie dragons, but on the maulbeasts?
>>98403810I'm glad you like them but it's too much for me >two sets of horns Too much >lizard dog that doesn't fit with Savannahs nor mountainous ice age terrain Stop please >Chins I'm out
>>984015858/10, most things are great, there might be a way to kitbash old glutton bodies to fit with new range (you just need new heads), named characters are bland but not offensive (Reddit looks a bit stupid but comes with 2/3 of a gutseer unit) and there are some clear directions for future expansions.Rules also seem better, you don't lose the game in the charge phase. Rampages are boring but they are mostly on units marked for death so don't buy them either way. I might buy them, just have to finish my pile
>>98403965Ignoring the old ogre head joint? Good luck sawing through that because it's one chunk of plastic
>>98403995Modern solutions for ancient problems
I've been wanting to get into warhammer for half a year now but I've been extremely busy preventing me from biting the bullet. Starting from next month though all that shit should be done with and I'll have a lot more free time to slop out. Between soulblight (mostly interested in skellies), gloomspite and seraphon which would you guys say are the best starter army, assuming I like the aesthetics of each army about the same? (I also have a unit of stormcast I got gifted I'll try the basics of painting on, but I'm not really interested in starting a whole army of them just based on looks and lore.)
>>98403810They look like a rejected design from How to Train Your Dragonstill kills me how bad that franchise fell off after the first movie
do we reckon path to glory is going away next edtion same way how crusade is gone from 40k?
>>98404275Look at the spearheads and see which one has models you think are cool. Heck go to the GW store and just look at the range of models for each of those 3 factions. Souldblights looks the best to me IMOTBHFAM and all that but its a TON of skellie boys. As for gameplay and meta its always weird and if thats your concern go watch some battle reports to get an idea of how each army fights.
>>98404284That's Dreamworks. And the 2nd one was better than the 1st. Tv shows had decent world building too
>>98404333>That's Dreamworks. Who cares?>And the 2nd one was better than the 1st. No, god no, it was fucking shite. His mom being the ultimate dragon tamer all along devalued everything Hiccup accomplished by learning to befriend dragons in the first film. His relationship with his mother isn't a bond where both have flaws and learn to work past them like with his dad in 1, instead his mom is just perfect and Hiccup needs to learn to be a better man like her. It's completely fucking toxic.
>>98404320I've been lurking for a long enough time that I have a general idea of which models of pretty much every faction I like or don't like, but I have no idea how each army actually "feels" to collect/play/paint. For example I really like the soulblight skellies, but I hear they're very into recursion and stuff like that, and I don't know if I'd enjoy that too much since usually that's not really my jam in strategy games. But again, this would be my first tabletop game so I have no idea how all that stuff translates.
>>98404356Who would you be playing with? You can talk to them about it and see what your LGS does. Or if this is a buy a spearhead with a friend thing maybe talk to them about it as well? And if it is your first ya check the 3 spearheads for which appeals to you the most. They are like 120 bucks and would get your feet wet. Worst case you dont care for the army but leave knowing how to paint better, and what you do like.
>>98404349His mom was an autistic outcast. Hicup is the real badass and making him wield a fucking dragonfire lightsaber only helped it
>>98404275Skellies are easy to get into with Spearhead, including multiple purchases Not so much GSG
>>98404389>Who would you be playing with?anon...
>>98404315Surely, 4th is very comp centric so I'd expect whatever 40k does to carry over. GW would rather you just buy Spearhead I guess. 4th gutted PtG for alternative depth in AoA and the paths, but those were withheld for battletomes so no one I know plays it anymore. PtG is boring in a baseline now because of the drought of enhancements to work towards and the slim pickings of battleplans and such. The territories of 3rd were an interesting metagame but 4th would prefer not to be too dissimilar to the main game I guess.They reduce page count ever edition for battletomes so I expect 5th, which will probably be softback gamer edition only, to remove all narrative content. Whether the core book has any seems dubious now
>>98403623Art realy undersells Pater Filus by making him look less imposing than the model
>>98404859I don't like the rest of his warband but he's pretty coolDo wonder if we'll get another CoS warband in "normal" freeguild style. I'm hoping for a bunch of different animal themed arch knights personally.
>>98404356>>98404389I would agree with anonse advice. Buy any of the spearheads. Choose which one is the cheapest or you can get the quickest, let fate guide your hand. But moonclan gsg and skellies SBGL will be always about hordes and recursion so that might push you towards other options. You can also want for Dino battletome or leaks and see if their new stuff will sway you one way or the other
>>98405214Tournament knight with his retinue
>>98405241Seraphon still dont have their 4th edition book yet? Arent we less than a year to 5th? What even is the newest shit dinos have gotten?
>>98405214The guy with 1 of his eyes covered is great too imo.I hope they get made some generic CoS unit soon
>>98405380There's 3 books left, dinos giants and manlets. We're expecting dinos and giants in autumn, manlets will probably be either the christmas or january release heralding in the end of edition stuff.Also their last release was not gor rok for underworlds getting turned into a generic unit with the spearhead.
>>98405405Well that sucks. So what liggers are just stuck using the 4th edition through 5th? Guess it always sucks being late. Im pretty new to age of sigmar. Do battletomes usually come with like a value box or basically >heres the rules asshole payup.
>>98405422Everyone gets a book every edition nowodays, so they will get another update in 5th.GW usually does some new bundle box with new releases, but the version with book included is only for things with multiple new kits, like ogors or skeletons this edition.Late battletomes do kinds suck, because the rules will be updated soon though, but at least they're on top of the world in terms of power creep before it resets
>>98403248I'd like to double this request.
>>98405439Hope 4th -> 5th is like 10th -> 11th in terms of compatibility
>>98405387I can see it as like Stormcast Cultists. Freaky dudes trying to get some Sigmar Juice in them, maybe with an explode on death ability
>>98405458Fairly sure parts of pater Pater's armor are stormcast scraps he found
>>98405422lizards are unlikely to get a bundle box with the tome this time because it doesn't look like they're getting much beyond the book and a character modelthey might see a new spearhead box released around the same time though, who knows
>>98405422What they've done lately is battletome + new spearhead + battleforce + small regiment of renown box4th was an index edition so every faction got a pdf a couple pages long at the start of the edition to serve as basically a placeholder battletome until the actual one comes out. The early ones were basically copy paste jobs though but lately (since the start of 2026 roughly) they've all changed things up in a pretty major way, usually for the best (except maybe obr which was more of a sidegrade). I expect 5th to be the kind of edition where the battletomes of 4th are still compatible, especially the later ones
>>98405449When 4th started we got indexes for everythign quick-updating all 3e armies even if they didn't recieve books imediatly.Which is good, because the 2->3 update actually broke some factions like Ossiarchs and they wouldn't get sheduled udates unitil year+ in forcing GW to make patch notes through White Dwarf
>>98405556This is cool and all but I really want khul to do something different than the ~7 or so other khorne greater daemon / daemon prince designs that all boil down to "big bloodthirster with wings"
>>98405570Same, but i don't want to get my hopes up
>>98405570How about something abit more daring, like a bloodthirster but without wings.
>>98405599we had that already
>>98405619
>>98405596kek>>98405599>>98405619this is somehow even worsegive me the schizo scorpion edit that one anon made or give me nothing at all
Khul's gonna merge with his dog
so if i wanted to split darkwater with somebody, but all i wanted was the nurgle heroes and the blight templars, but not either the goats or zombies or any of the good guys or board game stuff, what would be a good split percentage for my portion? do you think it'd be hard to find a buyer or someone to go in on it?
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>>98405706If you don't plan on ever touching the (very bad no good) board game, just buy the models you want off ebay, it'll be cheaper>>98405657What if he becomes like berial from DMC 3, a sort of dog dragon bull centaur?
>>98405706Heroes aren't in demand because they're unique and obviously getting squatted You want everything of value basically
>>98405707that's the onekinoY'know speaking of, now that we've got festus (and ig gelgus) and sigvald already with khul would mean we have major daemon prince models for every major god besides tzeentch, right? Any characters (brought back from fantasy for memberberries, or AoS originals) that could ascend who fit the bill?
>>98405729> just buy the models you want off ebay, it'll be cheaperactually i tried that first but getting all the heroes and blight templars individually from sellers parting them out would have cost more than the entire price of the box brand new
>>98406087I keep forgetting they have tails
>>98406094I almost bought them but tha tails look awful
>>98405810What, just the nurgle characters? Or do you actually want ALL the characters?
>>98406148Feels exploitable
>>98406094Their tails make sculpting a bigger ass on them a massive pain. It's doable, but you have to do some repositioning on a few of them.
>>98403449
>>98406180All bubble-blowing babies will be beaten senseless
>>98406094That's how they get ya
Shouldn’t khadrons really hate khazalid holds if the ancestor gods are coming back
>>98406105just the nurgle characters plus the cankerborn and blight templars. they're all going for like $40 a piece, the daemon prince was going for $60. all said and done buying them piecemeal came out to like $300
>>984063363/4 of the named characters and the cankerborn can be bought direct from GW
>>98406087Lovely
>>98406180>The Carstein List
>>98406286Hate is a strong word. More like look down on
>>98407214"Sure sucks down there""I like the way this sucks!"
>>98406286no
anyone know a good stl to stand in for a vengorian lord in SBGL? I want to run an all skeleton force
>>98407299Some kind of bone tower to mathc the model profile?Or does it have to look like it can fly?
>>98407220
>>98407438>CoS>FS>SCE>KO>LRL
>ORDER>DEATH>CHAOS >DESTRUCTIONit bothers me to no end how they didn't use a shorter term
>>98407637>ORDER>DEATH>CHAOS>...>WAAGH?
>>98407637They might had wanted Ruin till they remembered thats another name for chaos.
>>98407637>Order>Death>Chaos>Retard
>>98407637>we really should soup these>we really should soup these part 2>we really should soup some of these>hits on 4+
>>98407725What chaos faction would even get souped now that beasts are ded? StD is already a soup army desu
>>98407767Hashut with slavesRather than slaves with godmarked legions, it should be godmarked legions with some of slaves A certain schizo would argue for skaven and smiths to be souped as well.
>>98407770What would slaves even provide for the godmarked legions? Generally they already have their own versions of marauders/warriors/chosen/knights. Obviously tzeentch is missing some of these, but other than that you've got analogues everywhere (except maybe slaanesh chosen depending on how you interpret mymidesh/symbaresh)
>>98403427not until they start getting separate stormhost sub-battletomes like the Land Wolves or Gold Templars.
>>98401533>>98401565>>98401585>>98401595>>98401614Tick tock paypiggiesGW's going to axe your game :)
>98407781Good morning to you too anon
>>98404275Worst time to get into it, GW is killing this setting soon
>>98407781oh no, I need their permission to play in a legal matched play setting :( I can't just buy army books and models for cheap and play if the system isn't officially sold by GW
>>98407783>Newfag doesn't know how to reply lmao tick tock
>>98407700havoc or mayhem would work
>>98407777Demon princes, certain hero archetypes, monsters, ogroids, you have stuff like the mvb and the other ugly variant stuck in there, the demon harpy things and the bird raptor things.
>>98407804>ORDER>DEATH>ÆLVES>CHAOS>HAVOC 5 alliances, 5 letters
>>98407637RETAR... fuck too long
>>98407637>CHAOS >HORDEIt's a bit weird because Chaos' objective is as much Destruction. It's just a weird classification.
>>98407637GREEN (kick out fat and tall guys, bring on Sylvaneth)
>>98407811The demon princes you can already take as the godmarked armies, and shit like the mvb and sb should just be part of tzeentch and khorne respectively as is. Stuff like the warcry reject monsters can stay in StD, I don't see how that'd be useful or desireable for the monogod armies.
>>98407815RETVRN
>>98407908I wonder if they'll give loomies a dragon at some pointAoS could always use more dragons
>>98408074They're getting some phoenix but Tyrion could mirror Teclis with a dragon I guess
>>98408074probably not, stormies need to have a monopoly on good dragons to be the little timmy magnet
>>98407795Wow, he's literally me.
>>98407795
>>98408141Not so fast
Speaking of, are slayers keeping their endless spells/ terrain?
If I'm into vore should I just build Ogres?
>>98408183they're not mentioned in boole's post of remaining kits, but that might simply be because he forgot. We don't really know
>>98408191Alternatively behemat, though that mixes with gigantism.
>>98408171which also means that lumineth could get a dragon if it's something iffy like a furry/feathered one with 6 wings and only 2 legs
>>98408201what the fuck are you watching bruh>>98408215I wouldn't be opposed to bird dragons
Anything new in terms of battletome or GHB scans?
>>98408236
>>98408306was this new?https://gofile.io/d/1fbXES
>>98408155>>98408315lel good shit>>98408326oh shit yeah I think we were actually missing sylvaneth still, thanks anon
>>98408326I was missing those, so thank you. A little annoying that the GHB is missing the couple fluff pages, but the meat of it is there and the scan quality is good. But the card translations seem a little off...
>>98408326Thank you Anon for the Sylvaneth tome, now we need the DOK, COS, HOS and the Ogors tomes.
>>98408670We do have a full set of pics for the dok tome, but no proper scan yet no
>>98408675I looked at that one and, while I do appreciate that said photos were taken, they are hard for me to read.
what size base/how big do we think this fucker is going to be?
>>98408670There was an ogor tome some threads back
>>98408998it's in the battle profiles already, 120 x 92same as the stonehorn kit iirc
>>98409013Not the full 4th edition, too early for that. I think it was just the rules, as well as small cropped images of various lore pages.
>>98409102the lore was all there but not always clearly readable, had to squint quite a bitI did enjoy the parts I did read though, ogres are mean but fun pieces of workbut yeah wouldn't count a random youtube vid under our tome collection
>>98408998Smaller than Stonehorn. Biggest base will be Reddit the Mod
>>98409285>Reddit the ModATTENTION ALL MAWSEEKER KITTENS, THIS IS YOUR DADDY SPEAKING!
>>98407460
>>98409427Great stuff
>>98409427Lmfao great stuff anon
>>98409357>>98409427Good job, anons
I dislike list building by Regiments.
opinionthe boats should all drop like 30% in points. do whatever you have to to the profiles to make it work. im tired of taking the minimum amount of my boats, just 1 of each, and already being at 1000pts. the points on this army are just too high, you dont get to actually field hardly any dudes, it looks like im fielding a spearhead while my opponent drops a whole army. this is less about game performance or rules or whatever and more just about the actual look of the army on the table. the shit is so prohibitively expensive that you never get that feel of a proper fleet of ships with galleys full of crew. you just get a very minor escort of a few ships and a skeleton crew of like 20 or 30 dudes tops. i know a lot of people like this game for requiring less models than 40k, but i feel like this army has gone too far in the other direction
>>98409774i would like it better if the regiments actually did anything. for example, imagine if regiments each had a type. a shieldwall regiment gives everything in it +1 save if they dont move. an ambush regiment gives everything in it board edge outflank, a wizards council regiment gives everyone in it +1 to cast, etcor if heroes gave their entire regiments some kind of buff. like while this hero is alive, every unit in their regiment gets +2 to move, or +1 to hit, or whatever. just give us a reason to want to take them, not just as a system of restrictions. they've done it a few times, like gutrot spumes slime fleet, but its very rare that they've actually done anything interesting or fun with the regiment system
>>98409821I like this idea, now how do we implement it for 5th?
>>98409821It's weird because 3E somehow had a crunchier regiment system than 4E even though it wasn't such a dominant part of list building.
>>98409836so part of 4th edition was that the age of sigmar design team got pared down to like 3 or 4 people, i really think a lot of 4th editions decisions; lots of copy and paste low effort rules, army building categories with no interactions, simplified weapon profiles down to just "unit name weapons" etc are all due to the fact that its 3 guys in a broom closet with a typewriter and they needed the game to be so low effort that a crew that small and understaffed could handle it. i dont know this for a fact, but thats my guess.
>>98409808They should be unit based, yeah. Maybe 50-60pt Gunhaulers (which can be reinforced as a Gunhauler fleet) and 200~ for frigates then 450 for the biggest KO just feel weird with them being so expensive and shoehorned into this transit objective metagame like it's 40k. Just let them be artillery and monsters with only the biggest having that
>>98409808You can either squash their points and status just to play a paper plane or pay your tax and have a flying gunship that shits on swapm orks with sticks. Gunships are cool because they are that much more advanced.
>>98409821>>98409774I don't mind regiment but I agree with anon that they should do something. Right now they are just abstract group of units. If you have a hero that buffs a unit and a unit that works great with that buff you get nothing by putting them in the same regiment. I think they would fix foot heroes and regiment if more buffs were only applied to units in that regiment or there was an additional buff being granted by a hero leading a regiment to subservient units
>>98410003Or battle formation should be applied to a regiment and you can only pick one battle formation once
>>98409946>50-60pt gunhaulersAlright anon they can go down in points but let's not make them the cheapest unit in the game.
>>98410029Why not? It doesn't matter given regiments? May as well just make them a unit of 2-3
>>98410053Is it a power fantasy or do you want them to have stats like a 60 point 3 model unit?
>>98409427lmfao thanks
>>98403203>Single issue GothizzarOh boy!
>>98409427Typical loomie contribution
>>98410076He just wants to field as many units as possible, more than what KO can at the moment, regardless of their stats.
>>98409808KO in general feels like an army that GW just does not know what they want to do with. Their balance swings wildly and they play unlike any other Army in the game with a bunch of unique rules and they don't even do it well. My Hope was that they would just make transport rules generic core rules with the introduction of the cog fort but that might need to wait another Edition to set us free.
>>98410112Look KO having a relatively small army because they're built around transports may feel bad, but trust me having your 65$ gunship be cheaper and shittier than a single grot with a big stick is going to feel worse.Just ask 40k mechanicum guys
>>98410135>Just ask 40k mechanicum guysnta but idgi
>>98410112I somewhat get it but boats are cool becsuse they are that much stronger and better than anything else. They are a poster unit of quality over quantity. If you want to play more more ships play higher point games. If you want to field as many ships as grots field their stabbas then either make them a chaff unit with chaff stats.Do you want to have an even smaller gunship, like a flying raft or Vespa, that could be a chaff unit?
>>9840994650-60 would be too low, like just on a base size model size they are on almost stonehorn bases, so having them that cheap would just result in 20 gunhaulers clogging the board. 100-120 is probably the most reasonable bottom for them.but im more on about the frigate and especially the ironclad. the ironclad taking a 450-500pt bite out of your army depending on the balance patch is just very hard to actually build an army around, especially when throwing a 300pt frigate and a 150pt-180pt gunhauler in the same list. the big boats are the worst offenders. you spend so many points on the taxi's that you can hardly afford any passengers to ride in them, which is a shame because kharadron have some really fun infantry modelsif i had my way, gunhaulers around 120 (because 100 even led to a really nasty 10 gunhauler list in the past that was just annoying), frigates at like low-ish 200s, 220-240, carnosaur level pts, and then ironclads around 350. and again, do whatever you have to to the stat profiles to make that work. thunderers also need to either be cheaper (not my preference) or get better damage or more than once per turn army on their ability (i would prefer this) a LOT of kharadron players are sitting on 20+ of the fuckers because they were the staple unit of the army forever (same situation as the cursed new blightkings warscroll), they should be fieldable en masse since thats how people bought and played them for the first 3 editions of the game
>>98410143He's referring to Admech being far and away the most expensive army to collect in 40k because they changed them from elite to a horde army between editions and just kept cutting point costs on everything until you needed to field 150 models to still struggle to win games. The problem was that AdMech was boxed and sold as an elite army with one vehicle per box (which got changed to a unit of 3) and 3-5 elites per box (who now needed to be fielded in 6-10 units). They actually did this to multiple armies though. Leagues of Votann is another example and probably more relevant as a tech dwarf-adjacent comparison (They are the third most expensive army to collect in 40k now).
>>98410187>they changed them from elite to a hordeomg ewwwww
>>98410166Ok, that's more reasonable. I guess you could get gunhaulers to be 120 with minimal nerfs, if any. And I could see frigate getting more situational, maybe less shooty and more focused on transporting. But ironclad has to be massive in points and stats.
So if mancrushers are the AoS equivalent to the armiger mini-knights, and megas obviously being the regular knights equivalent, what would the "titans" of AoS be if they ever made a miniature like that? Doesn't have to be strictly giants or anything, just wondering what kind of unit theoretically could be made at that scale.
>>98410187Ugh, yeah don't remind me of how badly they gutted Votaan. From super-elite high tech badasses to worthless chaff swarm in less than a year from their debut.
>>98410187It hurts to remember how my AdMech went from elite and wonderful to a shitty, expensive horde.I hope that never happens to my KO.
>>98407781This isn't the TOW thread
I like the bigger models in the Ogor range as compared to the smaller models in other factions but I just don’t know about the aesthetic of the faction. Barbarian eaters with cleavers don’t measure up to the Lumineth or Stormcast factions in terms of beauty
>>98410543LRL and SCE are stinky, boring armies. We paint skin like real men. Get in the pot, skinny.
>>98409427>stormcast panelkek
>>98410543You can be the guy who gives his ogors perfect dentition and tidy clothes. I really think a My Shiny Teeth & Me take on them could go hard.
>GW updated the website again>They made it even worseWho in their right mind thought it was a good idea to add ANOTHER necessary click to get to where you want to be looking?
>>98408236This guy looks dumb
>>98410909You'd think number one company would know that the more barriers and clicking you add to purchasing product, the more drop-off there is in customers. Even one extra click has a massive drop off, some psychological effect with the person thinking over the purchase more.
>>98410909i thought my browser was fucked because i thought nobody would make the homepage that shit
>>98410909>tfw the 3rd attempt to Primaris the website failed
>>98410187>He's referring to Admech being far and away the most expensive army to collect in 40k because they changed them from elite to a horde army between editionsTo be more fair than GW deserves at this point, the fluff always described Skitarii as disposable hordes outfitted with the lowest of the low end bionics and self-destructive weaponry, except for the absolute top of the line murder cyborgs like Ruststalkers. Current edition Admech reflects that theming way better than before. Not making excuses for the complete scumbag packaging they're doing for Admech, though.>They actually did this to multiple armies though. Leagues of Votann is another example and probably more relevant as a tech dwarf-adjacent comparison (They are the third most expensive army to collect in 40k now).Yeah there's no excuses there, they're even fluffed as being elite but relatively few compared to human forces.
>>98411179The more I learn, the more I'm convinced that the 40k team is genuinely incapable of designing a game without some sort of force organization rules restraining them. Make it like the old one where each unit was put into a speficic class and you could only have so many of each, make it AoS 3e where you had to have so many battlelines, but different things could be done to make more things battleline, hell even the current system AoS 4e has would be better, and that thing's like, half of a really good idea right now.
Stormcast half of 5th editions launch box got leaked
>>98411293>10 axecasts (another FUCKING battleline with palette swap weapons)>3 spear elites>Axecast priest>Named character who gets 1 book>Monster unit that's just a random ass creature with stormcast crap slapped onKinda dogshit and you just know the axecast priest and spear dudes are getting stuck to the same sprue as a fuck you
>>98411293Even if it isn't, this looks like sloppa.
>>98411293>we want the FROMslop audience
>>98410909Yeh it's awful thought i got stuck on a wrong site
>>98411423>Van Hobhome
>>98411414>>98411415>>98411422why don't KBs have heavily armored elites? Make them have rattly bits that distract enemies so their mates can krump from behind and jaggedy thwackas to krump from the front.Musician has a big ole gong strapped to his chest and bangs it with his hands why not
>>98411456>why don't KBs have heavily armored elites?They're supposed to be sneaky stealthy, not open combatants
>>98411463That's why I said give the armored morks rattly bits like chains, noisemakers, glass shards, clacky things. Anything they can strap onto their armor to make noise and bamboozle enemies into thinking they're the ambushers and not the ambushees
>>98410359Godbeasts, but they're even bigger.Also the... well... Titans. The giant robots Agloraxi were making 1000 years ago
Is there a plastic model bigger than good ol archy
>>98411727Nagash compeats, but they're both tall maxing with bullshit flying
>>98411422>>98411423
>>98410909Lmao I thought something was wrong on my end this whole timeAwful change
It deserved more.
>>98412040>gav thorpeNah
>>98411293Honestly Throw Nagash in SCE as a subfaction leader and AoS will be kino SCE are basically undead, he could just claim their souls in Sigmars absence. Hell, he could have Sigmars soul and try to revive it so the SCE worship him somewhat. Maybe he'd finally get back the Anvils of Heldenhammer souls.
>>98410076No, 60pts per Gunhauler so they're like 150-180pt for two or three? Make boats units: Gunhaulers as a basic unit, Ironclad elite, frigate monster
>>98412098Nice sheme
>>98411293You don't really see much stormie proxiesAlso honestly I kind of like the big monster dude >>98412098Sick paint scheme anon
>>98412098Are these kitbashes? I dont recognize these dudes at all.
>>98401533>What does your faction think of Skaven?Excellent decorations for the end of your spears
>>98412134Aren't they just standard gutrippaz? Maybe the weapon on the guy on the left is swapped idk but otherwise they look perfectly normal to me
>>98412134Look like regular gutrippaz with custom weapons
>>98412134Non-dominion gutrippaz, superior version
>>98412142I doubt the handcuffs were part of the kit cause i can't believe i didn't use them
>>98412059Giving them stats that fit a 60p model would make them terrible. They should cost at least double. Again, do you want to play mass boats, where each is as powerful as a dove with a sling or do you want something that feels like a flying gunboat?
>>98412161I'd guess it's from something Nighthaunt
>>98412174Probably the base decor bits from the Spirit Torment kit
I really hate how 4th purged the flavour of CoS that hinted at the worship of other deities: Alarielle in Ghyran, Morrda or Nagash in Shyish, etc Purging setting material in rules was just stupid. I'm guessing GW wanted to expand paint sales by decoupling faction paint schemes from rules (because normies do 100% just paint like it's a prerequisite for the battle trait)
>Slaanesh rejoices in every sin, but six are favoured: Avidity, Gluttony, Carnality, Paramountcy, Vainglory and Indolency. Their metaphysical echoes form the substance of his domain in the Realm of Chaos, manifesting as concentric, temptation-leaden 'rings' surrounding the Palace of Pleasure. The Cognisicatrix, a realm-spanning order of pain-mystics who have glimpsed many truths in the throes of torture, name them the Sacred Seductions – for no soul, no matter how virtuous, is entirely immune to some permutation of these moral corruptions. It is for this reason that the number six holds resonance in Slaaneshi esotericism.These Cognisicatrix chaps are new, I think. Almost definitely never gonna be relevant past this namedrop, but there they are.
>>98412254>avidityshouldn't it be avarice?
>>98412258No.
DO you think there is any where to go with sons of behemat? They are a neat faction, but I feel like the only one needed right now is a wizard caster giant or maybe some ranged ones.
>>98412267You can make a siege tower one with the KO ship gimick of mvoign troops around.If the new witch has some monsters that opens a whole werid sub category of Monsterverse gigafauna.Now that ogors lost gnoblars they might make the red guys more of a thing in SoB
>>98412267I think the distinction of named characters can do a lot inherently but >wizard >priest, generic >artillery/javelins/bows (new kit does have rocks and slings)>beasts (leaked already) >Mancrusher hero >Ale brewer hero >Drunken Aleguzzler Gargants >basic variety: berserker Mancrushers, anti-monster Mancrushers, anti-infantry snatcher Mancrushers >Mercenary minded Mancrusher mob: wealth hoarding types
>>98412267
>>98412327
The RoR got backstory>The relic widely considered to be the fourth of Vennatan's mirrors came to Hallowheart, purchased by a member of the Whitefire Court. All the myths of the Mirrors of Absorption speak of consuming magic, but this particular item showed a real gusto for perverting the arcane, as if it delighted in torturing aetheric manifestations and remaking them in a dark power's image.>It was after the Necroquake that the Accursed Reflection, as the relic had been dubbed by apprentice mages, vanished. The aelven curator of the institution wherein the mirror was housed was seized, and in repeated interrogations, they maintained that a pair of sisters from the Whitefire Court confiscated the item from the collection. No records of such individuals have ever been found, while the curator was discovered to have ties to certain Agloraxi Restorationist groups that made smuggling likely. Still, their story remained consistent, down to an insistence that the sisters were adamant he invite them into the museum, as if they could not do so without that ritual permittance. Where the Accursed Reflection is now remains a mystery, one complicated by accounts of a similar mirror appearing unbidden amongst the armies of the Dark Gods, attended by two infernal handmaidens and disappearing as swiftly as it arrived. > — Excerpt from the ‘Tome of Curious Malefic’
>>98412358Hat helps
>>98412267They're not a faction and shouldn't be treated like one, they're not even remotely close to imperial knights because they lack the modularity in building and posing that they enjoy.They are a giant kit with enough build options to have it vaguely fit in chaos, order or death, on top of destruction.The independent battletome is a retard tax and the idea of running a whole army of them should be considered a niche extreme, not their normal thing.That said, since we're stuck with the direction gw is going then they need an additional mancrusher kit to add the necessary variety in poses and trinkets, if not keep the current one still; and they should split the megagargant box into two offers: one box that builds the 5 builds they currently have, and one box that can only build the original 3 but replaces the extra brodd sprues with an additional set of legs, and optional heads, weapons and trinkets for the 3 build options
New gacha boxhttps://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/jgxqfhcz/cleanse-the-mortal-realms-with-the-new-warhammer-heroes/
>>98412457Cool, we're getting different ones. Sucks to be 40kek
>>98412465You looking forward to pigging, bro?
>>98412457OH NO NO NO NO NO NOAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>98412457So CoS have started to overshadow Stormcast now, even by GW estimations
ayy lmao
>>98412457>dog shit commemorative models for the last while >oh here's a bunch of superb variant models teehee icic
>>98412479he killed malerion?!
>>98412457that's some rumor engines alright
How many named witch-hunter models released before one with a generic profile will this take us to
tits out for SIGMAR
>>98412479I like arch knights getting an animal theme each, it's always great fun
>>98412468Are they even sold in Europe? Thoguht they're Japan exclusive
>>98412494I bet he's very popular with ogor war-she-hulks.
>>98412501You only get the tatoo he has if you fuck an ogoret
Wasn't able to make it to the RTT on Saturday but I did play some Spearhead on Sunday
>>98412505aren't those world eaters
>>98412494Amazing how when they're not using the retarded bucket helms they can make great looking Cities minis
>>98412457And we still don't have a generic witch hunter warscroll
>>98412457Prettyy cool. No bad guys tho?
>>98412540It's all from 1 faction
>>98412540These packs are always monofaction. They've done bad guy versions for 40K in the past though.
>>98412457Pretty cool. What do these usually sell for again? I was never interested enough to look up the SC version.
How much do these gacha boxes even cost? Does the whole set guarantee the entire thing or do you still have a chance of getting repeats?
>>98412457man no way they did rumour engines for this guys this cant be seriousdo look great though but i think its making me realise the bucket helms are bringing down the cities aesthetic lol
>>98412585Whoever designed the bucket heads should be shot
>>98412567>How much do these gacha boxes even cost?Just checked an peopel sell the individual boxes online for nearly 3 TIMES LESS than GW sells those store aniversary models.I fuly expected over twice the price
>>98401533>play for free, my lord...
>>98412585>man no way they did rumour engines for this guys this cant be seriousTwo for the same guy even.
>>98412503>mfw the qt ogor tells me to come over because her fusil-major isn't home
>>98412603One of the most egregious was the Lord of Pain having 3 rumor engines. 2 were each end of his mace, and then his boot.
>>98412565I just looked it up, Target has (sold out) listings at about $64 for a box of six, so basically about $10 a guy if you buy in bulk. Not terrible, given that GW likes to sell you individual foot heroes at around $40 a pop these days.
>>98412624The worst of the worst was them doing a RE for a mode they already released earleir that month
>>98412634Oh yeah, the twin souls punch fist.
>>98412567You can still get repeats, but you'd probably get most of them. My understanding is that all the dudes are the same rarity except the one SR guy.
>>98412630Of course that was for Stormcast/Space Marine sized figures. These are smaller, which is probably why they come in a pack of 8 instead of six.
>>98412603Are pyrocasters any good? I seem to remember people being very so-so on their rules when the book came out which would be a shame because both models look amazing
>>98412655He box of stormcast has 8 lootboxes in it >>98412549
>>98412505
>>98412701Still mad I never got that slaughter priest model. Really hoping gw brings them and all the oop deathlords together in a bundle.
>>98412457>No mention of Warcry rulesIt's bleak...
>>98412457>Top RightCAM ON HAMMERHAL, SCORE SOME FACKIN' GOALS!
>>98412457The priest is kinoThe fire wizard is kinoThe fusilier bayonet is kinoWildercorps guy is alrightBanner guy is a boring there's like 3 of these guys now and they're all the sameArch knight has a cool theme but the pose is a bit boringOverall this is 10x times better than stormcast commerative hero #87
>>98412665They're a cheap level 1 wizard, I'm not 100% sure how spell rules work. If you have multiple of the same wizard can you cast multiple of their exclusive spell? IF SO having 2 wouldn't be the worst idea since you pop some decent damage off.
>>98412457Any idea when this shit's comin' out? I'm not sure I'm terribly excited for the banner person or fusileer but the heroes and knight replacement seem pretty fuckin' cash money.Also what are the chances this stuff winds up being resold as some other box?
>>98412479>rumor engine wasted on japanese fomo gacha lootboxessad
Yeah this is definitely for the jap audience. I think I’d like these a lot more if the kits were compatible with each other in interchangeable bits but if they can’t even fucking do that with space marines…
>>98412701>>98412505
>>98412781Which sucks because these are some actually neato models, which most likely will just end up in some barnes and noble exclusive 20 dollar combo box in like a year.
>>98412771It's probably releasing this fall/winter. As for rebox chances, Kill Team reboxed 2 of their 40k Heroes kits, so if Warcry wasn't kill, it would be medium/high. As it stands, the chances are zero
>>98412479I really like the greatsword and the helm (and the little dragon emblem) but the way the sword is being held is kind of lame to me for some reason
>>98412457I hope no-one else wants the Friar Tuck guy so he goes cheap on ebay.
>>98412816Friar Fat Fuck is gonna probably be the most costly mini aside from the sekret one
>>98412821Shit he's the only one I like but kinda hoped all the zoomers would want the "Cool detailed" ones.
>>98412816EVERYONE'S going to want him
>>98412457That's another 3 rumour engines downThat puts the list of unsolved ones at like ...6? Lowest it's been in a good while.
Stormcast will get featured again one day.
>>98412823My guess for value is going to be ?>Friar Fat Fuck> Cool swordsmanguy~= Escaped Arsonist>Bannerm'n>crossbow guy >Literally just an alternate sculpt of a basic infantry grunt.These may be adjusted depending on how common/uncommon various things are.
>>98412852weird painting
We only have like two battletomes left with a year left to the edition right? Does GW do end of edition events for AoS like they do for 40k?
>>98412893Yes. 2nd edition had 4 books of the Broken Realms saga and 3rd had 5 Dawnbringer books. They tend to releas with extra kits for wildcard factions
>>98412893Yeah, should start seeing the campaign stuff this fall at the latest.
>>98412457Glad they all have their own tactical rocks to stand on.
Thinking about dipping my toes into AoS via Spearhead. Is this an ok box if I like Greenskins? I remember seeing a cool Night Goblin Spearhead that seems to be gone now.
>>98412477That's what it made me think as well Feels like the Freeguilds are now overshadowing SCs as the poster boys for AoS and probably for TLW as wellDid the SCs even receive similar gacha models/ a Warhammer Heroes line before these ones ?I can't remember
>>98412990It's a decent starting point better than the army box funnily enough though if you run the wolves you'll probably want fat wolf gobbo. Also I'll warn you that gitz are uh, not in a terribly good spot army wise nor have they ever particularly been. Also you can't particularly mix them in with other greenskins so if you like orks you won't be seeing any of those in your GSG army other than like as a Regiment of Renown (specific unit you can run in the army but only using a specific list of dudes)
>>98413003>>98412990But this spearhead is a RoR, so you can run them with other greenskins
>>98413000See >>98412549I’m also told that 40k has had these for space marines, terminators, and plague marines so I don’t think it’s indicative of any trends other than ‘this faction is selling well atm’
>>98413021wait the whole things an RoR?! Shit I haven't been paying much attention to destro, tbf wolf gitz are still too pricey for me to want to touch (aside from the funny fat wolf guy I got for like 20 bucks on discount at my FLGS)
>>98413028Yes, the box is spearhead AND a ror. Rare freebee for Gitmob
>>98413046wow that's pretty fuckin' cool, Destro getting love I can't believe it
>>98412893Three, but yeah
Would you say AoS sigmarites place more or just as much spiritual value in smithing as do the dwarves? I’d imagine it would be all but a holy profession at this point
>>98413091Sigmar's top smiths are all dwarfs anyway.Humans don't make SCE equipment for example
>>98413091>>98413105That said Grungni welcomes any and all who earnestly come to worship him and take part in smithing.
>>98413000They did but it was awful, just reposed liberators, vigilors, vanquishers, etc essentially. These cos guys actually have some personality
>>98412990I hate this box I wish they still sold the old spearhead
>>98413281Ebay has it as a painful markup.
>>98413274At least they had Warcry rules and cards in-box. This shit's gonna have NOTHING for ANY game
>>98412457I like the new bright wizard that just came out but this one blows him out of the water
>>98413317No it doesntBut both are good
>>98413342He's got the fire hair and the mask is fantastic
>>98413281It's very annoying isn't it, instead of a nice allrounder box that gives you a smattering of all 3 major subfactions of gitz, with units that will be useful in just about any army (except maybe the loonboss), they give you this box that's 100% the shitty subfaction that doesn't fit with the rest of the range and is overpriced as fuck to boot. Granted, it's actually a pretty good spearhead, but still. I feel like most people who like gits are going to like the 90% of the army that's moon goblins, not the 10% furry sun goblins.Here's hoping they get a new box in the end of edition campaign I guess
>>98413347Counterpoint: you get one of the most overpriced kits in GSG for cheap and they get their own AoR that sidesteps the issue
>>98413387The droggz aor is great if you wanna run gitmob and nothing but gitmob, but for the ~95% of gloomspite players that don't wanna do that it's useless
>>98412603he's a cool guy
>>98412603Why is GW pushing OSL in their official paint scheme? This is going to be a real turn off for new painters.
>>98413600It's a commemorative model, it doesn't matter as muchThey let their painters off the leash darkwater too. Compare the paintjobs on e.g. the blight templars to the ones on the original blight kings, or the fly rider blightlords. Night and day.I think of it's not a "normal" release they get a bit more leeway and aren't required to stick to the eavy metal heavy painting style as much.
All these new CoS models make me want to start them as an army. How hord-ey are they? Which models do I need to buy multiples of?
>>98413624GOOD NEWS, Cities has a wide variety of options so you can play as hordey or elite as you want. You've got like multiple named characters to help paly into specific archetypes and more than enough options:You frontline are fusileers or steelhelms, 1 or 2 blocks of which will do big work and not die instantly. More elite you got foot knights or cav to survive hits and dish out some damage (either depending on if they charged or didn't) command corps squads of mix and match buff heroesYou got your more niche stuff, hunters for deep striking and grenadiers as an unreinforcable ranged/melee damage dealer. Probably only need 1 unit of hunters, but 2 units of grenadiers wouldn't be a bad idea.More niche you got your bigger stuff, gate gargs which output big damage, protect your units ,and boost while being a solid scary block, you got your artilery which is a good way to just pick away at shit from a distance, you got your cogfort as a big elite thing that does a bit of both while also transporting units for a big buffed charge. THEN you got all your heroes, generic foot dudes, ogor with gun to boost your gunlines, you got like 3 varities of foot wizard a foot priest, you got big named priest for boosting dudes bigtime, you got big melee flying monster to both boost your troops and tear shit up on the front line, you got your named wizard guy to teleport guys around the board and shotgun blast someone if he's there with them, and like untold amounts of other random bullshit which boosts units they're next to.You can build 10 million little shitters and some foot heroes, you can build mixed force, you can build elite, it all generally works pretty well and the new book is fantastic rules wise for them.
>>98413670Why ARE grenadiers unreinforceable anyway? Is it because they were supposed to be a warcry unit?
>>98413735>Is it because they were supposed to be a warcry unit?Probably yeah.Since I don't think GW particularly cares about a monopose thing being reinforcable and usually doesn't have restrictions like this for any other particular reason.
>>98413735>>98413742They're not for Warcry, GW has shifted to a more simplified system. TOW has unit sizes, AoS has preset unit sizes Underworlds warbands will be more common going forward too.
>>98413774I don't believe that at all
>>98412457Is this the first time AOS has gotten one of these gacha Heroes sets? Because it completely mogs any of the Space Marine ones bar maybe the Death Guard by virtue of all being interesting and unique sculpts rather. I hope we see more of this in the future. Maybe Death gets the next one
>>98413735Because the main studio design is shifting away from a wargame to more of a card game philosophy when it comes to balance. It’s easier to balance this way both for list building and power levels.
>>98413915No
>>98413000>Feels like the Freeguilds are now overshadowing SCs as the poster boys for AoSGood. Stormcasts are boring.
>>98413915No, Stormcast already had one
>>98413946They're cool now lore wise but theyre boring aesthetically and they will never not be compared to space marines and the vast majority of people will view them as their boring 1st and 2nd ed versions
>>98413982>boring 1st and 2nd ed versionsHot take, I think a lot of the new stormcasts while being less busy feel exponentially more bland than the old fatcast.
>>98414011Based opinion haver, you have the correct opinion. But this guy is pretty dope.
>>98414011it's the lesser evil compared to keeping fatcasts' base armour and pauldron design
>>98414038I think on occasion they can pull some good designs, but generally I liked how weird fatcasts conceptually were. They always looked much more harsh and intimidating which I kinda liked for the good guys.
>>98414011The only issue with the Fatcast was that they used such a awful color scheme of GOLD with a little blue for the majority of the pictured Stormcast. A different scheme with a bit more detail painted to break up the flat, pure color would have done wonders.
Remember when they squatted 2 factions and basically sliced off an entire chunk of stormcast? I'd hope so it was only like 2 years ago.
>>98414073Need cheap Savage Orcs! T-T
>>98412457Why would they lie like this?
>>98414098what do you mean you have.... Uhhh...
>>98413670Gate Gargs are a great support unit, it's where they shine the most, but they are not exactly very blocky. Not to call them fragile, they are not, but they are also not great at tanking damage and will go down fairly fast if you try.
>>984140731 of the Warclan clans doesn't count as a faction
>>98414122We'll call it a faction and a half
>>98413774>>98413920This theory kind of gets blown the fuck out by grenadiers being one of the only units in the game that's randomly non reinforceable. The only other one I can think of where it's kind of unexplainable like that is the skaven nightrunner one, which coincidentally came out in the same box.
>>98414011>>98414033>>98414033Oh NOW we're pretending we like fatcasts now that they've been removed from the battletome
>>98414122if fec and sob count, then so do them
>>98414163I am not a stormcast, but I have some for allying. There's good fatcasts and there's good slimcasts, and there's duds for both, and there are a few that grew on me like the Retributors.Some sculpts for Liberators for rough for fatcasts, but overall I rather like them but find the new slim ones beyond ugly. The new slimcasts with spears and banners look amazing on other hand, and the fatcasts with tabards (like the ruination chamber ones) are especially nice looking with how well robes mesh with the fat armor.
>>98414163I've always liked them, painting some right now
>>98414162Lumineth Riverblades, Ogor Gorgers, and Hunters of Huanchi are all not reinforceable either.
>>98414163I always liked fatcasts, I just didn't start AOS until right before they got sliced from the game. But Sacrosanct unironically had some of the coolest shit in the faction.I think if GW gave them a bit more flare they'd do fine but some of the more basic slimcast look so much worse than the old liberators.
>>98414169If this had happened in 2nd sure, but by 2024 they were well and truly subfactioned. Also their entire range was like 5 kits, at least beasts got terrain and a new hero
>>98414178Their shoulderpads are so fucking ugly, what were they thinking?
>>98414182Those are all warbands right? Or underworlds models?
>>98414192They are not.
>>98414182I know, I did say unexplainable. These guys are all warcry warbands.
>>98414192To be fair, Blanche's old stormcast art was pretty good it just didn't convert to a plastic model well at all
>>98414192Rude
Lizardmen are one of the few factions not to get their battletome, and they are pretty popular. What do you think their potential new spearhead will be? One before this one was some kroxigors, warriors, and a carnasaur. And assuming they get more than a hero, what new models or resculpts ya think?
>>98414199>it just didn't convert to a plastic model well at allit would have had, gw just didn't convert it to plastic modelsyou won't find those ugly ass pauldrons on blanche's stormies
>>98414216Big lizard with a raygun and feathery wingsLizards with arm crossbows but they shoot energyDino cavalry with javelinsHuge pterosaur
>>98414216Watch it be something skink focused. Like a star seer, a pack of old skinks, a unit of the new mounted ones and some ripper dactyls.
>>98414216They'll get their token foot hero and that'll be it
>>98414216Issue is that with saurus guard and skinks on the cusp of a refresh, regular warriors are really the only normal infantry unit they can put in a spearhead, and they already did that twice. Then again, they put fucking gnoblars in the second ogre spearhead so who knows.Assuming gw is being reasonable here (lol) I guess we'll be getting a weird one. Out of their newer sculpts they haven't used either of the new cavalry kits, so I'm guessing one of those will make it in.
>>98414251It wouldnt be outside the realm of possibility that the skink refresh is like in a year, so GW slams a billion skink in the next speahead, maybe one of the dinos and calls it a day to dump the inventory now.
>>98412457Kinda boring how all the gachaslop boxes are always humans or armor humans, like give us a xeno or creature feature or something for once. i get it these will always be babys first warhammer, but man can dream
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>>98401585Was there a release date for them?
>>98414216>What do you think their potential new spearhead will be?I expect a cavalry theam. i don't think any of the new riders were in a box.Would 10 skinks (2x5) + 3 Saurus + Saurus hero be too good of a deal?
excellent, looks like there's exactly enough leftover from sprues I should be able to just slap some mournfangs down, leave the old legs on and place the new torsos of leftover shit there!Maybe see if I can source any leftover sprues from other folks or if my friend raids the sprue recycle bins post launch....
>>98414560>raptadons>raptadons>aggradonsYou can squeeze in a foot hero like the astrolith bearer and still be under €200 which seems to be their limit (actually like €202 but whatever) which comes out to slightly above 40% of a discount.However if you add the more thematic scarvet on aggradon then yeah it's too good of a deal.He's overpriced though, he's almost the same price as the normal aggradons (50 vs 51.50). His mount is slightly bigger I guess but not nearly enough to justify this price. Character tax I guess, better off just kitbashing your own. Doesn't look that different from a normal champion to begin with.
>>98414624Dont forget raptadons can be built into 2 different units so they can make it look even more worth it on the box. I think whats more likely if they went that route is they pull a unit of raptadons and throw in a Scar-Veteran on Aggradon.
>>98414642>Dont forget raptadons can be built into 2 different unitsFor the spearhead purposes it will be two different units of 5
>>98414624How about the thermal detonator Underworlds guy for the "hero"?
>>98414753>>98414753>>98414753New
>>98412457Blind box gotcha sets? No ebay listing for any of them opened up. wtf? A person is bound to get multiples while they try to get a full set, why can't I find any for sale? Nobody buying them?
>>98414812They're not even released
>>98414812Nigga they were literally announced todayFucking retard.
