The Sundering Edition>Resources:WFB: https://pastebin.com/qVGrgwwhWM: https://pastebin.com/EsDAgebaWFRP: https://pastebin.com/inbyBsR6Novels: https://pastebin.com/PFqPDr0H>TOW:https://gofile.io/d/fxFgXShttps://www.warhammer-community.com/downloads/warhammer-the-old-world/>Warhammer Chronicles:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/0xt777 (dot) zip>Time of Legends:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/q46ut6 (dot) zip>The End Times:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/j7d0t5 (dot) zip>Battle March General's Compendiumhttps://mega.nz/file/tP5STCAS#4yDuu8WLk-Mn4Ut2pe7x7AWwxJmEjXW5cvV0xtwMWD4>Alternative Models:https://pastebin.com/xPeM9szL>Previous Thread:>>98412127>Thread Question:Name your favorite Warhammer Fantasy settlement/city and tell us why!
>>98421713>TQI like fan made locations, especially when linked to a themed army painting project.
>>98421729>I like fan made locations, especially when linked to a themed army painting projectThis. Whatever the players make up at the table is more important and cooler than official corporate fluff.
The BM box is quite good as a one off to get characters and hounds. The Battalion is probably better as a core force though.
My dream of building archers with hats was crushed. But I will put as many hats on the rest of my Cathay army as possible.
>>98421756basedTo be fair if you have multiple cannons you need to do some kitbashing anyway because the crew don't have options.
>>98421713>TQCarcassonne because I like the real city and board game of the same name
I am going to be facing Warriors of Chaos Friday. It's a fairly light army overall, as is mine, but I am wondering how do I deal with two chaos chariots? How dangerous are they?I got 5 wold riders with a big boss with wollopas and no impetious boss hat and feigned flight. I assume baiting a charge and counter charge may help?Also got 3 trolls with great weapons and 6 cavalry spear, frenzy boar boyz.
>>98421886They're not dangerous. At all. Just shoot at them and they'll die. Cast magic at them? They'll die. Let them charge your guys? They (the chariots, not your guys) will die.Chaos chariots suck.
>>98421898Huh, ok. Thought T5 and first charge with D6+1 AP impact hits would hurt. He also has two lvl 1 sorcerers with spell familiar and mark of tzeentcg. I got no magic but hopefully my numbers will help.
Is monogoblins playable? None of those Night Goblin poofters
>>98421886>>98421898I mean, idk about that. The impact hits could take care of the wolf riders by themselves. Chaos Chariots aren't super competitive, because they aren't super mobile, but they still hit relatively hard when they connect.
>>98421948I think a goblin army that goes heavy on magic and artillery could do decently. Spear Chukkas are really good for their cost, Rock Lobbas are decent. It's a shame you're no night gobbo at all because the Doom Diver is probably your best artillery piece.
Whatcha working on anons? I don't have any pictures but I brought some ungors with me on an out of town work trip, just doing some coats every night if I get the chance.
>>98421805Indeed. Thankfully the hats do a lot to break up the identical guys
Cross post from previous thread>>98421545 Yeah the battlemarch box is a pretty decent place to start. Its worth getting 2 even with the units it has, only getting too many hounds and bestigors, both of which you could use as conversions if you want like for primal hounds.
>>98422048I finished my WIPs from the previous thread. It almost makes me not want to get back to chaos and continue with the empire. But at the same time, I want to finish my third army before I become a father. I assume that I'll have less time for a year or two.
>>98422148The checkers look sick, that's a clean paint job. Congrats anon, I'm sure you'll find hobby time when you can. I'm in kinda in the same boat, I started a job a year and a half ago and travel so much I stopped hobbying all together. I'm trying to bring small projects, even small progress is progress.
>>98422048My Slaanesh warpgors based on draenai. 2 left to design and print.And yes I realized how badly I fucked up the right models arm. I've cut, modified, and glued it since this picture.
>>98422196Cringe>>98422199Based
>>98422148>I want to finish my third army before I become a father. I assume that I'll have less time for a year or two.Piss off, life haver.
>>98422048Do you think our Ghorgons can have a playdate?
Everyone but the old man gets a hat.
>>98422199These are awful even by sloppa standard anon, you can do better
>>98422366you should cut a bite out of the ogre hat
>>98422366>even the ogre isn't safe
>>98421948that's an incredible paint job>>98422048I'm working on this Nurgle worshipping marauder. I was originally going to batch paint 5 of these guys but they're more fun and interesting when painted one by one. I've kind of figured out the rythm to painting them so it's not like they're a chore to do. The remaining 10 marauders are gonna be Khorne themed.>>98422323>>98422048how big are these things canonically? In Total War they're fucking huge but on the table they're much smaller. Only about 5x the size of a standard gor. Are they particularly rare? I know beastmen like to lurk and hide in the forest but I imagine cygors and ghorgons tower above trees and leave huge hoofprints
>>98422510Im sure they are somewhere between model scale and OW, probably don't tower over trees in the Drakenweld. I'm pretty sure they show up to a heard the same way minotaurs do, drawn in by the smell of blood from sacrifices at headstones before they set out to pillage.
>>98422199Sick. Make sure to Post then so painted up.
>>98422510>how big are these things canonically?Giant sized>how big is a giantbetween the height of an ogre and the ceiling
>>98422510Its mentioned in a few places that Cygors specifically carry the herdstones between locations so that should give an indication of their size. Ghorgons are Giant sized as someone else noted and I think its in the green skin book or ogre book that they list how big they are.
progress
>>98422831Any ideas for a name for my priest?
>>98422831>>98422833I really enjoy seeing your army growing!
>>98422842thanks m8
Reminder that the End Times would not have happened if Vlad Von Carstein won the Vampire Wars.
>>98422848Reminder the end times are only cannon to gw pay piggies.Storm of Chaos is the rightful end.Grimgore da best
>>98422855Orcs are fags.
>>98422875They're completely asexual.GAYos, on the other hand...
>>98422048After many interruptions and a quick session with my uncle's (and now my) dremel drill, I've finally magnetized the bases of my new (well, 1998 isn't new, but still) chaos knights. The instant the glue is solid enough for the magnets not to get torn off by the metal bar I use as a priming stick, they're getting primed and I'll get cracking on painting them as soon as possible. I have to get these five knights, or at the very least just the champion, painted before the 31st. If I don't, they'll have to wait until Christmas and I simply cannot tolerate that.
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>>98421713TQ: I have a (grand) village I made a while back for fun, and would use a jump-off point if I ever made an Empire army when ever I felt like I was done with my beastmen. I may attempt to make a town in the future.>Town fluffhttps://pastes.io/lspGJTCEIt was too big to fit into a single post.
>>98422848The end times arent canon, it's GW fanfic
Sylvanian Countesses owe me sex.
>>98423047Fans usually like the franchise in question.
>>98423047bro my headcannon end of Astrix and Oblix is better than the endtimes as far as fan fic goes
Do you think Karak Hirn ever gets embarrassed for how lame it is?Like its one thing to be a stunty, but can you even call yourself one if you dont even use organ guns?
>>98421713>Name your favorite Warhammer Fantasy settlement/city and tell us why!Pig barter has this mystic to it. Its a town in the middle of the most inhospitable nightmare realm outside the chaos wastes, that from the description has a very "Labyrinth" feel to it. Most of the town sits on stilts over a swamp full of gnoblars they actually co-exist with albeit with a lot of crime. Pigs are the main economy with jousting on the animals being a popular sport. It has a lot of whimsy to it while still being gritty and I always wonder how it came to be. Really fun place imo
>>98423125I have absolutely no idea about the gimmicks of various dwarf cities
They discontinued the old ogor line faster than you could say yippee ki-yay motherfucker, where do I get ironguts and gluttons from now?
>>98423393Print them. Or get them on ebay from paypigs offloading their old figures to glut on the new ones.
>>98422833>Any ideas for a name for my priestAlbrecht Handsenflicken
>>98423393Check out your local stores
>>98422833He looks like a zola guy
Count Luthor is getting a new paintjob, starting with the face. I'm nominating this '94 Gary Morley miniature for best miniature countenance ever, so fun to paint!
>>98423912I didn't know skaven could become vampires.
>>98423912I thoight his last paintjob was grand, surprised you're redoing him. Has he killed anyone since he last featured here?>>98423961Oh boo
>>98422966>1300 soulsThis would support like 40 professional soldiers
>>98423912It's... it's round!
>>98424103He was getting a little worn around the edges and the varnish I had used was also producing some fog in the shadows, so I'll need to find another way to do that. I don't think he's done much since last, summer has been rather quiet. A new coat of paint should get him in gear for next season!>>98423961The nosferatu style is very trendy right now.
>>98422833Helmut WeißaugeMy Morr Knights all got unique names. This is Thorsten Sensmeyer.
>>98424221Oh yeah, just temporarily. He's going on a square soon enough.
>>98424241Very kino, background for the squad.
someone help a filthy lorelet out did nuln ever employ empire knights and if so, what faction did they use the most? thinking i may get some empire knights because they look cool
>>98424526>Did this empire state ever use heavy cavalryYes anon. They also used spears and guns
>>98424536if you don't have a response why bother replying
>>98424526Knights of the Bloodied Spear, and Knights of theSetting Sun,Knights Encarmine are also a very Nuln-coded order
>>98424568Knights Griffon as well, but that was founded by Magnus when he was emperor so doesn't work for TOWs timeline
>>98424568>>98424574thanks, i was doing some research and was going to go for knights griffon, might still do that because i want to use my army for both (i know the base sizes are too big but i'll cross that road when i come to it).
Here's a hill. I airbrushed the stone a month ago or so, but it had to wait for bones, chains, some additional washes and finishing touches.
>>98424568>Knights of the Setting Sundon't you mean Knights of the Blazing Sun ?
>>98424574>Knights Griffon as well, but that was founded by Magnus when he was emperor so doesn't work for TOWs timelineLike during the Great War or after it?
>>98421174these chaos warriors are miles above the shitty foot knights
Are the winds of magic retconned?I remember reading that humans could only dedicate themselves to a single wind of magic but in old world people just cast whatever?
>>98425129Not retconned, but we've not arrived at that point in the timeline yet. ToW takes place somewhere around the Age of Three Emperors (I think?), over a hundred years prior to Teclis establishing the Altdorf colleges of magic. At this point in the timeline, human imperial sorcery is still essentially unregulated and/or illegal from what I understand, and is more the domain of relative outlaws who might find the patronage of a local lord who's willing to brave the company of a magic user. They haven't been formally trained in any real sense of the word, except as independent seekers of knowledge. Decades later, when Teclis established the colleges of magic, this was his explicit attempt to help Humanity by training them to focus on a specific wind of magic. (And believing that humans needed a formal system of training war magicians to help fight against Chaos) By this method he intended to avoid the bulk of accidental madness and corruption, on the premise that a human studying only a single wind of magic would be more able to handle it, and more able to understand it academically. This would coincide with the broader legalization of wizardry, since they suddenly had their own establishments in the middle of the capital.
>>98422048Still my Swordsmen for the August Painting challenge.
So how do beastmen get their average metal gear? I know the elites get stuff from chaos warriors/cults and such and they raid, but their stuff generally feels too uniform compared to scrap like the ogres or the like wear, and they obviously don't make it themselves
>>98425418Spoils from dead humans I'd say, they are the most industrious race near them after all.Althought I would say that the Beasties can work basic iron, hence their simple weapons, axes and maces
I hate high elves so much. Especially the lion fuckers, they're almost as bad as tw3 kislev. In fact I'd so much as say they were the precedent for kislev.
>>98425491Bait
>>98425418There's a The Old World RPG adventure hook where beastmen are capturing arms shipments from Nuln. I think its reasonable to believe they take Empire stuff, heat it up in fires and beat it to their misshapen preferences
>>98421630>>98421638>does anyone think Araby could have much more interesting religious lore?Yes, but you think about it too much. I think faction religions in Warhammer should be "robust" so they can be used in clumsy, simplistic ways to add character to armies, provide some motivations for lore and history and distinguish factions. Another thing that is could be somewhat "realistic" to consider is that in a world with different humanoid races and creatures that are extraordinarily hostile to human life and happiness, there would probably be less concern over more minor religious distinctions. So I think the distinctions you've described are possible, I just don't think they'd be relevant enough (politically, socially, militarily, magically) to get detailed. It would be as relevant as the differences in worshiping various Dwarf ancestor gods for instance.I do think there should be an attempt to rectify Arabyan monotheism with the 'cosmology' of Warhammer (the Old Ones, the Warp/faith/emotion based system for Gods, the "Intelligently Designed" Elven gods and the "Evolved" Old World human gods). So, where does Arabyan's emotion-energy go in the warp when they worship their monogod? Does the monogod have a level of agency like other Gods? Is it a form of a pre-existing entity (like an Elven God) or a new one?>>98425418I'm more interested in this kind of background lore rather than religions, but truth is that questioning warhammer logistics and industry is a path to corruption and madness. If you ponder this too long then you will eventually fall into the nightmare trap of speculating on skaven caloric requirements and agriculture and then mutate into a chaos spawn.
>>98423912Based BLEH vampire, I can already hear his accent.
>>98424667Cool terrain. Great work.
>>98424158Please explain?
Renegade pack dropped for Vampire Counts. It's pretty good. >Invocation of Nehek severly nerfed>Healm of commandment is only +1WS>cool new vampiric powers>Vampire Lord gets +1W +1A and is a level 1 wizard by default, the cost is only increased by 25pts>Strigoi get -2 AP and heavy armor, gives ghouls, crypt horror and varghulf Vanguard>zombies are now complete shit>skeletons now have optional light armor and implacable defense>ghouls, crypt horrors, vargheist, terrorgheist and varghuls all get wounds back when they inflict wounds and they all get either light or heavy armor>vargheists are no longer frenzy>corpse cart is core and cost 60pts and can be a mount to a necromancerI can finally play a Strigoi themed army.
>>98424526There's four Temples in Nuln: The Temple of Sigmar, the Temple of Ulric, the Temple of Myrmidia and the Temple of Verena. So Knights of the White Wolf and Knights of the Blazing Sun not to mention the Sigmarite Orders. Knights Panther can always fit the bill, as they are secular and only help the Empire without much of a bias.
>>98425418>looks at army roster>only characters, bestigors, and dragon ogres can get heavy armor and minotaurs only get light. Everything else is scaly skin or armored hide.They don't. The weapons are mostly things like clubs, rocks, or stolen tools, and the models and art are just for rule of cool. Metal armor is claimed by the bestigors and weapons are piecemeal loot at best for everyone. They don't repair things and the closest they get to creating stuff is tying plates of armor together. Orcs actively smith and repair. But beastmen are wildlings through and through.
These chaos boys were a bitch to paint up but I really love how they look. Warmaster is mostly just a hobby project for me but once I have a couple armies painted up I might do some narrative battles against myself and see if I cant drum up a little interest for it in my local group with some discount printing services.
>>98425799TL;DR: Professional soldiers typically made up less than 3% of medieval populations because they were expensive and specialized.The long version: The <3% number is a basic rule of thumb that is often referenced with respect to anywhere between 500 and 1500 AD, which is a really wide time frame with a lot of different societies in it. If anything, it's probably way too big, but warhammer is a war-focused fantasy setting so we can be generous.To give some examples:During the Hundred Years War, peak numbers of English and French under arms (which of course includes conscripts, not just professionals) was less than 1% of their respective populations.The largest mobilization I'm aware of is the Flemish in the Courtrai campaign, who raised an army of about 4% of their total population, again mostly conscripts.Obviously, these are earlier examples, and Warhammer fantasy is modeled after late medieval (15th-16thC) HRE. Towards the later end of the period, as populations became both larger and more urbanized, militaries trended more and more professional. However, at the same time, those standing professional armies became smaller. By 1521, for example, the HRE had an estimated population of about 23 million, and their total military forces, including circle-troops, private house troops, and professional state troops numbered around 280,000, or about 1.2%. Why so small?Professional soldiers require lots of expensive equipment, which is either paid for directly by the state or indirectly through their wages. Not only the soldiers but their families must be supported by wages derived wholly through taxes, which means their existence is limited by being a small slice of a small slice of the revenue generated by the whole population. When not at war, professional armies are a real nuisance as well, because they get bored and start robbing folk. These are just some of the reasons, but hopefully it was illuminating. I do like your flavor anon :)
>>98426026 (me)>those standing professional armies became smaller.became smaller PROPORTIONS fuck.
>>98426044Guess you've scrapped that nice post buddy, that village can sustain 500 professionnal soldier and a Chapter house of Knights
>>984260263% sounds like way too muchMaybe like 3% of adult men
>>98426065eh like I said it's a big number but we're being generous because it's warhammer. Also aren't there women in the state troops? >pleasedontspawnaculturewarargument
>>98426078You're the one "spawning a culture war argument" by even suggesting female soldiers
>>98426056You made me laugh anon, I needed that
Close friend's bday is coming up and we want to properly get him into TOW with an army none of us play. We're going for the battle march box. Which one is better (more fun, better way to start an army, etc) the beastmen one or the wood elves one? I'm biased because I'm a big elf tard so I'd go for the wood elves one, even for myself, but I feel they are a more nuanced faction in terms of needing to be aware of movement and distances
>>98425001noshit tons of knightly orders exist not just the five everyone knows
>>98426250I think wood elves is more fun because there are significantly less models to paint, shooting is fun and sisters of the thorn cast spells.
Did Bretonnia ever have knightly orders? It'd fit their whole theme but I can't recall that they ever had any.
>>98426026Counterpoint; the Empire isn’t medieval
>>98426026By courtrai campaign are you referring to the battle of the golden spurs and all that?
I've had those very old minis lying around for maybe 15 years.Today I decided to spend 40 minutes to splat some paint onto them. Maybe I'll use them as paladins on foot, maybe they'll never see a gaming table, but at least they've gained a bit of soul and I kind of owed them that.
>>98426340I don't think they do, but I don't know why they wouldn't.
>>98425996>and the models and art are just for rule of cool.We're not doing this. The models and art are more important to the faction than any fluff.
>>98426365Fenryll minis?
>>98426365Cool knights, a unit of these would look sick on the table.
>>98422199How shallow are those details? Hard to tell with the white resin
>>98426497Yes "Paladins II", it's a set of three minis.>>98426517I agree
Have one of you fine gentlemen managed to procure a pdf of the two new books, and would be willing to share?
Obviously all Dark Elves have black hair, because it's cool and metal and they're evil, but is there an actual fluff explanation? Genetics from Nagarythe? Evil Chaos energy?
Been playing a lot of Vermintide. I kinda wanna do a chaos warrior army inspired by the rotbloods. Anyone know of any good minis that could be used for the marauders? Non-gw is preferred for moolah purposes
>>98426615Yeah, it's almost all the elves from Nagarythe have black hair But there are examples of Dark Elves stealing elves from other places and raising them as Dark Elves which have blonde hair
>>98421713i know you guys dont like people like me; secondaries that have never owned a minibut i am considering buying some TOW models soonim here to ask if there are novels set in WH:FB that could be interesting to readi have approximately 6000 hours across vermintide 1 and 2, and total war warhammer 1-2-3i love this franchise, please dont just send me away covered in insults
>>98426763>im here to ask if there are novels set in WH:FB that could be interesting to readDrachenfells, Riders of the Dead, Gotrek and Felix(stop when you get bored, as the series is very static after the first three books), Brunner the Bounty Hunter.
>>98426625one box of pox-wretches and one box of avatars of war marauders, mix em up to your heart's whimsy get the wretches as recasts or second hand from people offloading parts of darkwater
>>98426771thank you so much anon
>>98426778>pox-wretchesdidn't know about these, very nice. aos bad etc but the aesthetic on these new nurgle guys is significantly better than the aesthetic they had for late fantasy like the lord of plagues and especially the blightkings, eughdidn't know avatars of war had plastic kits, very cool
>>98426763What >>98426771 said, though while Drachenfels and Riders of the Dead are both much better novels than the baseline GW stuff, they're pretty far removed from regular WFB canon (Drachenfels having been written in the late 80s and Dan Abnett not giving enough of a fuck to do any research writing Riders of the Dead).I'd start with Trollslayer, if you like it plough through the Bill King Gotrek and Felix books till you get bored/reach Giantslayer.The Brunner and Mathias Thurlman Witch Hunter books are pretty solid as are the Thanquol and Ulkrika Gotrek and Felix spin off books. Guy Hayley's Skarsnik is amazingWhat armies/parts of the world are you interested in reading about?
>>98426869Old Blightkings are kino, you swine.
>>98426877should i just get the gotrik and felix anthology or the omnibuses?>What armies/parts of the world are you interested in reading about?i like them all honestly, but i like the empire, naggaroth, and the dawizharr the most
>>98426763The Gotrek and Felix novels bored me to death from the first volume, with Skavenslayer being the one exception. Try them out, but don't force yourself.There are many novels for different factions. If you like dark elf stuff, then check out the Malus Darkblade novels.
>>98426879If you like cartoony stuff, sure. They were definitely a product of the endtimes and it fucking shows.
>>98426895Tastelet opinion but ok, anon.
>>98426884>should i just get the gotrik and felix anthology or the omnibuses?The anthology is a collection of various short stories by different authors of wildly differing quality. Start with the first Omnibus and keep going if you like it.>i like them all honestly, but i like the empire, naggaroth, and the dawizharr the mostYou're pretty spoilt for choice with the Empire. Gotrek and Felix spend a lot of time there, especially in the first two novels, beyond that the Mathias Thurlman Witch Hunter and Brunner the Bounty Hunter series (both by C.L. Werner) are very good. James Wallis' Mark of Damnation and Mark of Heresy are both excellent, but significantly bleaker than normal Warhammer mileau. Gav Thorpe's Slaves to Darkeness Trilogy (Claws/Blades/Heart of Chaos) is an underrated gem that I'd fully recommend.Dark Elf wise, the Sundering books are boring retreads of army book background that just sort of 'and then, and then, and then...' series of sequential events with nothing interesting inbetween. The first Darkblade novel didn't do a lot for me so I never continued with them, but other people seem to really rate them. I loved the original Warhammer Monthly Darkblade comics.You're bang out of luck with novels about Chaos Dwarfs!
>>98426763Can recommend Broken Honor if you you the ”everyday” issues the empire faces, in this case a Beastlord uniting the herds in Hochland while we follow the story of Erikson a mercenary captain forming and training a militia from a group of convicts.You even get some point of views from the Beastmen too.
He's almost done!
>>98427011If you want*Not sure what happened there.
>>98426291>Knights of the Setting Sunnever heard of them beforewhere are they mentioned ? in a novel ? in a video game ?
>>98426884Like the other anon said get the first omnibus and see if you like it. I personally loved Trollslayer, but it's written as a linked collection of short stories, which you may not love. Skavenslayer onwards they are normal novels. Definitely don't skip Trollslayer though, it's a lot of fun.
>>98426550FDM, but enough that I dont have a brush small enough to get into crevices. Still need to ink this one. I'll post another of the white ones.
>>98427138The two biggest issues with fdm are the stringy/super tiny flash problems and fragility of small extremities. If you were to do them with a resin they would look a lot better. But this cost me 11 cents to make so.
>>98427138NTA, you know that just looks bad? Call me a fag, but I wouldn't play against minis looking like that. Playing against something like this wouldn't bring me any fun.
>>98427158You do you. If you mean the painting, 100% I agree. If you mean the model premise and idea, I disagree. If you mean the quality of the model, I'll half agree. It would be a lot better in resin, fdm just can't get fine enough detail work.
>>98427152>>98427175the STL
>>98427201This looks like shit
>>98427201was it generated with AI? this looks pretty good
And with my new knight champion fully painted, my collection of 5th edition warriors and knights is complete and, perhaps more importantly, I've finally got a right and proper 2000 point army that I can be proud of after over 4 years of hunting for models from before the turn of the millenium. Hopefully I'll actually get to use these guys in a game soon, but I doubt it. I'll be very busy for the next 2 years.Maybe I'll finish my 5 marauder horsemen before tomorrow night too. We'll see.
>>98427225Yeah
>>98427245Congratulations anon. I have been following your work for a while. Incredibly soulful army. I am very happy for you!
>>98427247Damn that's surprisingly good. I would have imagined AI to generate a 3D model from a 2D pic and therefore fuck everything up except from one angle but it's getting pretty good. What are you using to generate those?
Vampire coast was just GW trying to capitalize on pirates of the caribbean craze, right?
>>98427336right
>>98427305ChatGPT into Hunyuan into Blender if needed. The prompt for this model is roughly middle length compared to many I gen at around 500 words.
>>98427344Thanks, I'll check that out
>>98425586>there would probably be less concern over more minor religious distinctionsI mean fair, but then you would need some other twist on the mono-god theme, otherwise it becomes too bland a concept to merit further exploration.>attempt to rectify Arabyan monotheism with the 'cosmology' of WarhammerActually a very good point. This would be a bit of a leap, but I would take inspiration from the really old WFRP 1e stuff that described the Reman Empire as Solkan cultists. An interesting plot thread could be that, terrified by Chaos, a lot of early post-vortex human civilisations turned to the worship of the gods of Law, Solkan in Remas, Alluminas in Araby, but the strictures of these gods proved to be just as incompatible with humanity as Chaos, so they all eventually fell? IDK.>>98423393The way things are going I wouldn't be too surprised to see them relaunched as the old Ogre Kingdoms for TOW in like 1.5 years.>>98424241This style of highligthing shouldn't work, yet, it does. Strange... Reveal your magicks anon.>>98426340Weirdly, no. It's one of those things you sort of expect to exist, but that's never been detailed. The knightly orders of the Empire were inspired by the concept of Errantry wars, all of the later order specific stuff, they apparently came up with themselves. Technically if you want to read between the lines you could say it's because knightly orders are not defined in the rules set out by Louis the Rash and Morgiana so they can't exist in Bretonnia, but really it's just a lore oversight and/or they didn't want Empire and Bret chivalry to have too much overlap. I've talked about this before ITT but even if Brets couldn't really have religious orders, something like the historical Emprise de l'Escu vert à la Dame Blanche would absolutely have its place in Bret society if you ask me.
>>98427034WFRP, but considering the rest of the orders on this list are from random sources, I would guess it was originally from a White Dwarf article
>>98427390>Google red shields>Wiki article about skinks comes upBit rude towards men of talabheim
Incredible how corporations are constantly able to make their own products and services worse. Look at the website redesign. Now if you want to open up any game system, you have to click into shop first. They aren't shown on the top bar anymore. Who the fuck works on these designs and how does shit like this get approved?
>>98427533Forgot image out of asshurt.
Just want to take a moment to thank the Anons who post book recommendations here. Grabbed a bunch of stuff I was unaware of or had forgotten to get to thanks to posts made earlier. With that said, outside of Skarsnik are there any good Greenskin focused/PoV novels or short stories?
>>98427433>Red shield>Rot schild>RotschildBruh
>>98427533I've been bitching about it toojust so unnecessarily annoying
>>98423330Didn't pig barter get mentioned in one of the Cathay journals?
>>98427676You'll be doing the dying for the rotschilds however
>>98426963>>98427011cheerio
>>98427390>have deep distrust of brets and wood elvesI wonder why
>>98427676>>98427717Careful there's conspiracy afoot.
I'm thinking of picking up a second beastmen at box to make up my initial 2k points list, if my local store still has one for cheap. Is weight of numbers enough to get by with minotaurs, monsters, and some ambushing units to harass gun lines turn 2?
I want to frame and mount some 6th ed books on my wall, what is the best way to go about this?I was thinking about using shadow boxes but unsure on how to use them without damaging the books
if I wanted to get a hard copy of any given Gortrek and Felix novel, would it cost me an arm and a leg on the secondary market? Do they usually go for much on ebay?I really don't want to buy or carry around a massive fucking omnibus all day in my bag. Not to mention the older covers looked cooler.
>>98421713I really want to give fantasy a go but I love the empire, are they being refreshed anytime soon they seem totally forgotten
>>98427919Weight of numbers in which way. Because it cant win on static res. Most light infantry will beat theirs if they get the initiative because beastmen essentially have no defense beyond toughness. On offense, beastmen should win every charge except for ungors, and warhounds if you use them wrong.A unit of 30 gors loses most situations, but 3 units of 10 gors win most situations. Its an army that benefits heavily from combined arms and diversity of units on the board. If you do monster mash, you'll lose, infantry spam you'll lose, mino spam another loss. But when you combine small parts of each they kick ass. Ambush is also amazing. A unit of 10 ungors in ambush pulls way more weight than it looks just due to how it forces the enemy to react. Expose a flank to open order fast unit? Turn to shoot skirmish archers? Waste magic on a 60pt unit? Each of those is worth more than the cost you spent. All told, for being dumb beasts they require a lot of game knowledge and strategy to play well. Or spam 5 wizards with viletide if you want to go full degen.
>>98428023Cathay is right there dude.
>>98428023TOW seems very stop and go up to this point especially when they do any major content for 40k or AoS. The answer is "I don't know" but it's looking better since they did a kinda across the board relaunch with Battle March and .5 update. Previous to this it was very shitty updates with large droughts in-between and very little armies available and supported.
>>98428023No, don't expect anything soon, current upcoming stuff seems to be either WoC, Wood Elves, Brettonia and Tomb Kings
>>98428027Thanks for the advice, I like beastmen a lot. I do want to pick up one of (almost) everything just to have. I was looking get the box for the ghorgon/cygor and just have 60 extra dudes for another 75ish bucks the way it maths out, that would get me to a 2k list before I can pick up some other beasties to swap around in the list. As far as weight of numbers go I was going to run them in 10-15 man units to try and get the most out of them in flanks and ambush untill I bulk out the collection
ok but what is nagash up to these days?
>>98428107He’s dead.
Been thinking of getting Dragon Ogres for my beastmen army in the near future. What is the best weapon loadout to put on them?
>>98428120Such is the power of nagash
Which git should get the topknot and be the head of my HW+Shield warboss?
>>98428131They look dumb with two hand weapons
C7 talking about upcoming new Vampire books for WFRP>https://cubicle7games.com/en_EU/blog/the-long-and-darkened-road-ahead>Next comes a volume exploring the legendary vampires of the Old World, the most notable scions of Nagash's cursed blood, and the mortals who dedicate their lives to hunting these terrible creatures. The trilogy concludes with a brand-new adventure that will test the limits of your party's bravery and sanity.im not sure I like this structure for Releases
>>98428141Top knot for a hw+s loadout, no top is for great weapons and banners.
>>98428072If you're good at kitbashin, take some of those extra units and make like 10 warpgors. Or hell, even if you're bad at it since warpgors are supposed to look fucked. My recent tests with them post furious charge have made them genuinely good. I doubt they will be good enough to death star with, but minotaurs are already amazing at doing that now so they dont need a second option. Also make sure you have 15 ungors with spears. They suck ass, but you need them for stuff like primal herds. Ungors should otherwise only have bows.
>>98428200I built my initial 30 with bows before I remembered about primal heards. And I do have a ton of bits kicking around from over the years so I'm sure I can manage warpgors. Some solid ideas though, those units always slip my mind.
>>98428153I meant which of the two heads should get it.
I am thinking about starting a beastman army.Give me some scheme ideas. As a kid I played spyro 2 and so pic related might be fun. Also considering troon colors (turquoise pink and white) or pedo colors (unsuprizingly same scheme but differant arrangement) or maybe a scheme to one of the gods
>>98428447Do you play nids in 40k?
>>98428447Maybe take a look a real animals fur fur, horn and pattern ideas, also think about where in the warhammer world they reside in and how that may change their looks (pale for up north, darker for badlands, ash grey for darklands, etc), or if they take aspects of a Chaos God they could be hued closer to their respective colors. Just let your imagination run wild, like your future herd!
>>98428447>unsuprizingly same scheme but differant arrangement
>about to make fun of how apparently every goddamn reprobate in this thread plays beastmen>remember I also have beastmenI don't even play thr fucking faction, what the shit.
>>98428751it should be obvious. We lurk in the deepest darkest places of the internet, waiting for those unwary or ignorant of where they've stumbled and set upon them like malevolent beasts. We join together in herds to yell about the manthings and their persecution of our very nature. They do not care that we had no choice in the matter, for we were born this way.
>>98428751>fat chud faction appeals to fat chud websiteshocker
>>98428871We're talking beastmen, not ogres.
Are the salamanders from aos too big for 8th edition bases? The old models have not aged well. Razordons are aight, but the salamanders are almost too cute
>>98429039Probably but fuck it. Use the bigger base and have a spare small base to provide measurements.Chill dudes won't care, only fags, and you shouldn't play them anyway
I know that most of you play ToW. But if there's anyone who plays 6th and Empire, here's a reference card I've made for a steam tank conqueror. It's sized so that you could print two of them on a single A4.
>>98429307baller
I don't know if to make the guy on the Daemonic mount the, or the guy on foot.I have Daemonic mounted characters and foot characters already.
Is it true Sigmar fucked Miao?
>>98429349Maybe.
>>98429349>moves to Cathay to spend his mortal life with herNah, it's entirely conjecture.
>>98428151Yeah it's annoying. Especially since I'm not sure what the value of the first book is when it's basically a map book with no maps.
>>98429349it's a possibility
>>98428553>ash grey for darklands,Any good pics of an ashy grey beastman army? That sounds kinda cool
>>98429580Some anon in the last thread had a cool looking ghorgon
>>98429527It's just a setting book with some admittedly nice lore in it.Like, this is the first time the Stirland elector count has i think, ever been given more than a sentence of detail, and it's the least kinda interesting stuff for a GM to use in a campaign But the book is lacking in crunch to any useful degree, which is rather detrimental to it usefulness.
>>98429349There's a chance.
>ran out of Matthias Thulmann novels I need to find something else to read. Warhammer fantasy novels have become key to my nightly routine. CL Werner was great but I've pretty much consumed his ouvre by now and I've already read the whole Gotrex and Felix circuit years ago, more than once. Maybe there's a vampire pov novel I can get into.
>>98429786solomon Kanehe is kinda the base that charecters like Thulman are based onDrachenfels and Beast in Velvet might also be up your street since they do have a Vampire as an important characterZevant also might be worth looking into
Something has gone terribly wrong with these marauder horsemen. I don't like them!
>>98430223Get some brown enamal liner and they will go up to decent. I promise
>>98429349>fucks Miao>refuses to raise her as a Stormcast and never mentions her after he becomes a godlmaaooooooThe sideways pussy must not have lived up to expectations
>>98430223Yeah I'm bad at painting too.Ostermark army update: Knights Pather are good to go for nowNext up are the demigriff knights and der Graff Leopold Von SpookensmasherThen I'll just need the cannon and I can run battle march
>>98429847Fantastic stories, but I'd already read every single one of Howard's tales before I moved on to Mister Thulmann's stories. I've got a copy of Between two Fires that some friends were bugging me to read, could crack that next. I heard it was pretty passable dark-fantasy poplit but I'd hoped to keep stalking around the Warhammer Fantasy world itself for a bit longer.
>>98427856>Jacob Epstein didnt kill himself
>>98427158I'd much rather play against a poorly painted 3d printed army than unpainted GW official(tm) miniatures.
>>98428447Good post
>>98431010nta but 3D printed armies look better than official minis, they can be much more refined and textured.Those prints are just printed with a big ass fdm nozzle which is not what you're supposed to use to print minis.
>>98427245Nice Job anon, the Chaos god would be pelased.
>>98428131I usually go two handed, heavy armour, keeping their single hand weapon in case I need magical attacks.
>>98430337>>98430223Both of these are better than greytide
>>98431197>>98431397and this
>>98430223I mean I think they look swell. Could apply some dark washes to a few crevices if you like to make em pop more but I think they're charming
Getting into Old World cuz a friend plays, decided to go with Lizardmen (I know their a Legends army, but from what I hear the Renegade Rules stuff helps make them feel like a real army). Due to being both autistic and retarded, I got old Fantasy sculpts from back in the day. I'm assembling Cold Ones Riders and I gotta ask; are these supposed to be a fucking pain in the ass to assemble? I swear to god there's not a single fucking point on the back that any of the saddles/legs sit on properly. Do you really need to try to find a place that they kinda maybe can get a grip or else get a wad of green stuff and make it fit?
>>98431572old warhammer stuff is notoriously bad fitting, especially like the early to mid 00s plastics. greenstuff or milliput is your best option. the dwarf warriors from that time are the same way, nothing sits right, massive gaps, massive mould slips. GW just wasnt on the ball with its mould designs back then and they never bothered to fix it. theres also a ton of janky shit like if i remember right to get skinks shields on you have to actually take weapon arms and use a knife to cut off the weapon and handle, and the instructions actually tell you to do this instead of just providing a shield arm.
butts
>>98425586It sucks cause I love the logistics nonsense details. I'd also like to get more info about beastman 'culture', for what passes for it. Unfortunate that they're essentially just goombas who appear whenever they need an easily-spawning enemy to fight in a narrative
>>98430223>>98430337As >>98431397 said, it beats models on empty black bases, plus you're of the few who actual have posted models on here.Plus>Metal models>Glorious 20mm with matching scaling tray>Great bases>Unique models that sits right into the universe>Coil element ovenPosting Mounted units for support and encouragements, as everyon with models should do. Keep up the good work Anons!
how do i play warriors of chaos? the armies of renown sound kinda fun. i know a common strategy is to just make a 600 point dragonlord but that feels a bit boring
I have an idea for an ultra-simple campaign system maybe for Battle march? Tell me what yall think. >Players armies are seeking "The Triangle of Significance(TM)".>After every game, players roll 2 dice if they lost or drew, 3 if they won. If 2 or more of the dice are 5+ they have found the triangle. >The holder of the triangle needs to hold on to it for 3 games to win the campaign and losing a match will make them lose it to the winner.>The twist is that every game they hold it the opponent will get a points advantage that rises with consecutive wins. Like 25% the first game, 50% the second and a whooping 75% more points the final game. Which could allow allies to join the frayif someone wins against them, the clock starts over againBackstory:>Basic lore/narrative:The Triangle of Significance(TM) was an artifact made by the lizard men and awarded to the high elves for creating the vortex. It found its way to the old world among the colonies of the elves that would become the Asari during the war of the Beard. It was looted from the woodies by the dwarves. These dwarves would eventually give it to the fledging (Currently living) Tomb Kings until a rat stole it. Said rat was ambushed and probably brutally sodomized to death by goblins somewhere in the badlands. Legends and rumors swirl that it has been found somewhere near Mt. Bloodhorn and with so many factions claiming rightful ownership, it can only end in violence.
>>98431867oh and how good are the narrative scenarios from ToW? how easily do scenarios from older editions translate to ToW and battle march?
I tried to touch up my 2 years old crypt horrors to make them look more like the rest of my "ghoulkin" units. It's probably the best I can do without having to repaint everything
>>98431835You play them by being chaotic
I got a bunch of old chaos warriors for like 15 bucks and was gonna keep one and sell the rest for 25 bucks but I think I accidentally shipped my one guy by mistake ith the rest.>>98431930Why are they so hulked up compared to the other guys
thinking about acquiring these for my Chaos DwarfsGot>Astragoth Ironhand (warlord)>Hobgoblin Khan>a bunch of those fucking hobgrots from age of sigmar>some chaos dwarf warriors>a Dreadquake Mortar (resin, authentic forge world)
>>98431963They're fed open air organic sylvanians
>>98431972What models are you using for your chaos dwarf warriors
>>98430273cant only humans be made a stormcast?
>>98431981nope
>>98431977
>>98431867so the players that don't have the triangle have no reason to interact with one another?
is annoying that some of these models can be interchangeable with TOW army lists, but others like their "chaos dwarfs with laser rifles" are unsuitable for infernal guard or blunderbussys.
>>98431996A dirge for this things genitals which it has no doubt cut off
>>98432009Just buy 3D prints my man, they look much more like actual chaos dwarf units and they're literally half the price of gw>>98432016aos chorfs all look like complete shit except maybe for the bull and even then it's a retarded cubic edgy design for contrastslop and easy edge highlight.No soul whatsoever.
>>98432016>but others like their "chaos dwarfs with laser rifles" are unsuitable for infernal guard or blunderbussys.a chaos dwarf with a gun is a chaos dwarf with a gun
>>98432038These honestly look worse and I don’t trust anyone who says these look good.
>>98432059That's because you're low IQ. You need it to be painted and prettied up for your small brain to process those properly.
>>98432038these do not spread joy
>>98432064NTA but those don't look good and they'll look even worse once printed out and even worse from table distance where their tiny details will all blur together into an indistinct blob no matter how you paint them.
>>98430273We don't know if Miao and the royal dragons are actually dead.end times lore states that Cathay fell to Chaos but if the Dragon Emperor is half as powerful as GW glazes him as, he easily could have set things up so he (or at least his children and wife) could escape to space like the Slann and survive the coming Chaos apocalypse.
>>98432085ok bud
>>98432115>didn't even bother to paint the details
>>98432118Slow down you're gonna overdose on copium
>>98432038Too much useless shit surface detail
>>98432126lol, keep seething that no one likes you ai-slop looking shit prints.
>>98432141First time seeing a chaos dwarf? Wait until you see their hats it's going to blow your mind>>98432155Oh no he's crashing out
Just realised I never managed to snag any good pics of these goblins I finished just before going on vacation. Absolutely love these knightmare sculpts, they're a joy to paint. The bases are kinda sparse for now because I still haven't decided on what my goblin army's basing scheme should be. >>98431930The green tunics pop out very nicely against the flesh, very nice lads.>>98431867Well a very basic criticism would be that this could very easily go on forever, you need some sort of winner-takes-all/nightmare mode to trigger after X matches, otherwise it could very easily devolve into a slog.>>98430223Well if you want my take, your big misstep here was painting the horses the same colour as the leather of the riders, making them blend into each other. I find that cavalry units really benefit from mounts being painted in their own distinct colour schemes that don't share any colours with the rider/equipment. The reds are also very muted, accentuating the brown blob effect even more. The good news is that this is all fixable, all you need to do is go highlighting the reds, leathers and horses each in their own direction and it should help the unit feel more distinct.>>98428023Well unless TOW completely folds, there will be a big Empire refresh eventually, when the narrative finally gets to the big Magnus v Kull showdown, but the way things are going that's probably not going to happen before 2028. However outside of a few core troops I feel like the empire is pretty well served, it's not like say the tomb kings, where a big part of their range urgently needs a refresh. + the Empire did get the new TOW-era accurate wizards, so it's not like they're completely forgotten.
>>98432185>First time seeing a chaos dwarf?No dum-dum, I mean copy-pasting the same evil runes on the plate armour is not good detailingI like the forgeworld ones - all the armour details and iconography fills the space appropriately and its tailored to the space being filled
>>98432204You might say no but your answer suggest yes considering chorf tall hats are full of copy pasted iconography, as you say.
I think I’m just gonna concede to the fact that chaos dwarves look no better than regular dwarves. They’re both kinda shitty in concept and execution. I liked the art when chorfs were more cartoony though.
>>98432224Do you see how on this model, the details on the armour panels flow with the direction and shape of the armour?(Discount the odd nu-big hat, I prefer to the truncated cone shape and pointy gnomey ones)
>>98432259Anon, there's no details. I don't even know why you're posting a footballer.
>>98432278Or this one, since you're being intentionally dense / buying into sunk costs fallacy
>>98432036Do you really want it to propagate?
>>98428151>Next comes a volume exploring the legendary vampires of the Old World, the most notable scions of Nagash's cursed bloodI wonder if that will include historical personages.>and the mortals who dedicate their lives to hunting these terrible creatures.I hope this entails some player options.
Chaos Dwarfs ain't even a real army, just some fan pipe dream added to please to few who care about some hird race army race.
>>98432359Mesopotamia is cool.
>>98432038I don't really like the aos chorf designs but it's kinda funny that whenever someone says "get prints instead" it's always accompanied by the ugliest fucking miniatures you've ever seen kek.Just get fabelzel bro
>>98432107they only glaze him because of chinks anyway
>>98432399I'm not geriatric enough to do that but you do you gramps.
>>98432230Nah, dwarfs are great in concept and have a lot of strong core designs from the humble warrior, to slayers, miners, gyrocopters, etc. Their problem is that translating these concepts into nice looking wargaming miniatures is more challenging than you'd think due to the slightly fucky anatomy of warhammer dwarfs, which means sculptors have to get kind of creative with it, specially when it comes to multipose kits. But fundamentally dwarfs have a very strong core aesthetic, with a lot of sub-themes you can explore. Their lore is lacklustre, but that doesn't really impact what they look like on the TT.Chorfs on the other hand have none of that, they're super one note as a faction, it's literally just "what if dorfs, but they were Baal worshippers and we crib the whole aesthetic from like how mid 20th century kids bibles depict the old testament bad guys?" They're very generic evil coded, their core units are all so similar as to be inter-exchangeable and all of their machinery sits in this very awkward "technomagic" corner that feels more like Warmachine than Warhammer and doesn't really work within the setting. The only cool thing about their whole army are the hobgoblins, which work much better as their own OnG/DoW list, even if their merc units are like the only breath of fresh air in an otherwise indistinguishable Chorf roster of differently sized angry golems.>>98432370If only thought! They're only Mesopotamian in the loosest sense, very vague impressions of sunday school lessons about Nebuchadnezzar and some public school bits about Akkadian brutality in the early iron age.
I wish Goblins could ride Wyverns and likewise Orcs spiders. It just seems needlessly restricted and I would love to slap a Goblin on the AoS wyvern vulture for some Mongol kino
>>98427138>>98427152landfill slop
>>98432564The lack of any flying options for Goblins is kinda surprising
There, actually stood up to go and find an example. The whole "mesopotamian" aesthetic of the chorfs is literally just this and makes absolutely 0 effort to give us anything even vaguely related to actual history.>>98432564One of the very cool aspects of 4th ed I wish they'd bring back was the universal monster mount list, which allowed you to plop any character on any monster pretty much, unless they were a named character.
>>98432564What stops you from doing that exactly? it's not like the orcoid profile of the rider matters much once on a monster, and this is not aos or 40k either where there's auras and interactions exclusive to certain unit keywords.Grab the vulture, slap a goblin on it and run it with the rules of a warboss on a wyvern.
>>98432564Cool kislev art
>>98432598>and makes absolutely 0 effort to give us anything even vaguely related to actual history.And it looks fucking awesome. Should I be upset?
>>98432598Good. I don’t want my evil fire dwarfs to be based off of some irl civilization where GW would feel the need to “accurately” represent that culture while simultaneously handwashing any kind of edge or controversy from it.
>>98432564Do what the other guy said and just use your profile. It's just a stat line. A particularly tough beefy goblin could have that profile. I'm using this guy as a Orc on a Wyvern in my troll Horde.
>>98432625>>98432664True enough! but I suppose I just don't understand why there's a restriction and it'd be a little weird to do the inverse: an orc with a goblin profile
>>98427245soul>>98427344utterly soulless>>98432009soul>>98432038soulless>>98432432not Warhammer Fantasy
>>98432717>not warhammer fantasyu ok bro?
>>98432514>Chorfs on the other hand have none of that, they're super one note as a faction, it's literally just "what if dorfs, but they were Baal worshippers and we crib the whole aesthetic from like how mid 20th century kids bibles depict the old testament bad guys?" They're very generic evil coded, their core units are all so similar as to be inter-exchangeable and all of their machinery sits in this very awkward "technomagic" corner that feels more like Warmachine than Warhammer and doesn't really work within the setting. The only cool thing about their whole army are the hobgoblins, which work much better as their own OnG/DoW list, even if their merc units are like the only breath of fresh air in an otherwise indistinguishable Chorf roster of differently sized angry golems.all of that is fucking awesome though
>>98432514What a retard, how is any of that "one note"Its mordor + mesopotamia + dwarfs, what other setting does such an innovative combo?Are you one of those left leaning faggots that thinks that nothing should really be evil and every villain should have a trauma backstory that makes them semi-justified?Core units interchangeable? Nigga what are you talking about? What other army has blunderbusses and rifle-axes for their infantry?This is either primordial tardery or powerful baitChorfs are perhaps one of the few truly original things GW has made
>>98432514I agree with the rest but>gyrocopters>strong core designslol
>>98432902nta but dwarf pilots are coolit's just that anything, be it biplanes or hot air balloons, would be better than helicopters
What would you add to the Empire roster if you had to add one thing?I mean brand new unit, not a refreshed kit for something.
>>98432514>Nah, dwarfs are great in concept and have a lot of strong core designs from the humble warrior, to slayers, miners, gyrocopters, etc. Their problem is that translating these concepts into nice looking wargaming miniatures is more challenging than you'd think due to the slightly fucky anatomy of warhammer dwarfs, which means sculptors have to get kind of creative with it, specially when it comes to multipose kits. But fundamentally dwarfs have a very strong core aesthetic, with a lot of sub-themes you can explore. Their lore is lacklustre, but that doesn't really impact what they look like on the TT.I've been saying this for years. Most of GW plastic dwarfs since the release of the 6.5th book look very similar on the tabletop. They all have that triangular skirt-body. And GW decided to give all of them beards that are longer than their head+torso.They tried to get away with it a bit with the 8th ed plastics, attempting a plate mail and scale mail approach.But, given the way they decided to take take their dwarfs design-wise really kind of locks them into a corner.Or maybe I'm just an old man and can't let go how good dwarfs had it when they were all metals. A bit too whimsical, perhaps, but definitely much more memorable.also >>98432902The current plastic gyrocopter was the result of the retardation that "dwarfs never ever use wood" was. The only saving grace is the fact that's a plastic kit, because to assemble the 7th ed metal one you needed to be a master engineer. But yea, the kinder egg capsule look of the current gyro makes more sense for a submarine than an helicopter. and as >>98432913 says, actual helicopters are probably the weakest choice for dwarven flying machine.Among all the various models I and use as gyro, my favourite are the various Hot air balloon ones, the RPE ornithopters, and the various very simple-looking gyrocopters made of 2-3 pieces max
>>98432964I would soup it with Cathay and Kislev at this point because what’s the fucking difference between all of them really at this point.
>>98432964Heavy armoured spearmen.Free company with pistols and hand weapon.Skirmishing handgunners.
>>98432675It's mostly because they make the rules to match the models and try not invalidate models players have. Hence why goblins still have gigantic spider as a mount even though it's be OOP for like a decade.
>>98432964If we are not going to flesh out Dogs of War/The Border Princes then some kind of light pikemen would be very cool.
>>98432964Any suggestion I want to make won't be liked by actual empirefags, so I'm going to say something boring like a light chariot that can tow warmachines around, even though that's probably something the steam tank and war wagon should already do.
>>98432964Mixed unit of pikeman and handgunners. Also some variation of flagellants, like lepers and psyched out veterans who are even more mad and have sth like animosity
>>98432964Demi-lancers
>>98433092Did a lot of people here start reading Riders of the Dead all of a sudden?
>>98432964demi lancers. i want something in between pistoliers and k***hts.
>>98432964Outrider lancers/coustillers and outrider mounted crossbows would make for very cool models. I don't care that they'd be broken honestly, just overcost them to hell.
Just have silver and a wash left to do on these guys and it'll make 35/60 infantry done from my battalion box
>>98432964Pikes.
>>98433274Looking good beastbro, I’m also working on my ungors, the last of my own battalion box.
>>98433439I like the ash skin tones, looking good. I just ordered a cockatrice and some warhounds to add to the horde. For once in my life in enjoying painting and getting more than one unit done
>>98433480Thank you, my beasts are pale as they live in the east of the Empire bordering the cold lands of Kislev where the forests are dark and the winters long.
Finally got around to basing my army (and finishing these banners)
>>98433637I've added bits of khemri stuff because they're crusading around araby
>>98433649Now I just have to bite the bullet and paint some lions and I'll truly be done
>>98433649Last sword knights?Very nice work
>>98432013valid. I go to think of something for that>>98432202yeah maybe a "Leauge" style thing where at the end of x games players with the top two scores will be able to make teams with the other players to fight over the triangle's fateLike lets say after 6 games plays #1 and #2 take turns picking allies for a mega battle that settles the whole thing?
>>98433670Thank you.Highlands miniatures for the templars and the damsel, titan forge for the BSB, lost kingdom for the rest.
>>98433618We posting warherd locations? Was always here, but was interesting they officially added a big presence here.
>>98433654Cool stuffHow long do these guys take you, on average?
>>98433787Between 3 to 6 hours I think but that's mainly because I do other stuff at the same time.It's neither long nor hard if you stop caring about little details or doing everything well.Winging it and not really giving a fuck is the key
>>98433813Pretty good anon
>>98433034Thats basically the chorf artillery train system
Speaking of chorfs I wish the AoS ones had helmets like theseNow I have to go to the bother of trying to sculpt these manually or find a capable CAD sculptor who can do it for me so I can 3D printSuch is the life of a visionary/autist
New Chaos Dragon artwork
I build all my models by rule of cool and just make my lists meta regardless of if my actual models have the weapons and gear physically on them and not a single soul has ever told me I couldn't do this.
>>98434013I mean as long as you make it clear to your opponent what model is what and they go into it knowing you are a meta chaser thats fineI kinda think you are a fag but I dont have to play you
>>98434036My local league is 30 players and we all do this, we also only play battlemarch so it's very easy to keep track of for everyone.
>>98433973draw it precise enough and you can use a program that turns images into 3d slop
>>98434054If everyone is on the same wave length then you are fine
>>98434056the price of that must be insane with the level of computing it would take. I do like the idea of turning a sketch into a stl but fuck me it cant be cheap
Was there ever a tragic character whfb?Like a guy who genuinely tried to be a good dude but was just in the worst situation for it as possible?
>>98434064I used a free one, meshy.ai, I wouldn't dare paying for bot slop, also because it's shit for anything remotely interesting, but since you're mostly after basic geometric shapes for a hat topping, it could be useful.
In what scenarios do you think high elves are most likely to encounter chaos warbands?
Are marked models ever coming?
>>98434079at that point you may as well learn blender because you'll have to edit things for proper printing and error correction anyway?
>>98434092Maybe mark upgrade spruses for the warriors that can also be used on the knights
>>98434056Zamn what AI is this?
>>98434092no, TOW is engrossed in its own delusional take of chaos as exclusively undecided during this periodfor marked chaos you have to use aos stuff
why do these fags take 10 thousand years to release products, just release all the new battle march boxes already so people can buy them and play the game REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>98434107Because the vast majority of purchases come from whales who buy most of the products, so they have to space the releases apart otherwise the whales can't keep up.
>>98434107SDS just doesn't have the manpower compared to the mainline studio at GW, and they have to support more games.
>Mordheim was brilliant for the time but aged like milk and was easy to break (spam skaven slaves with slings)>warcry had potential but was bare bones. It was a game you play with your girlfriend to hope she gets into minis and didnt have much for a campagin>whfb skirmish 6th was ok. Just okNew skirmish campagin game for tow. Do it gw I double dare you Kevin Roundtree you fag enabling bitch
>>98434091They straight up land on the northern coast of Ulthuan to raid sometimes. Morathi has gone out of her way to encourage such attacks, but even without her influence the Norscans just love showing up on longship raids to random places. Easiest way to get attention as some petty marauder.
has anyone used the AoS doom diver for TOW? Interested to see a conversion
>>98434165Warcry is at its best with campaign play and it was built around it entirely you nonceKill Team is the matched play slop you're thinking of.
>>98434207Model is enormous in comparison. I really think the old Doom Diver is close to perfect so maybe I'm being too precious, but they new one is just absurdly huge.
>>98434213ok then I'll try it with my empire models as uh... "citys of sigmar" I'll just say my city doesnt get their onions from the mortuary factoriesBut a tow skirmish could be really fun too
>>98434239Aye, there's rules for most of the empire range because Warcry predates the AoS reboot of them Just use imperial dwarfs as the standard dwarfs if you care to
>>98434207these are essentially two entirely different units just sharing a name
>>98434007>digital slop>>98434013>wysiwyg slop>>98434056>ai slopis it truly over for real hobbyists
>>98434287wehmm i guess its anti-wysiwyg or nega-wysiwyg or anti-stillmania if you will
>>98434286Holy fuck thats enormous. God I'm glad I avoided AoS.
>>98434286AoS designers think every model is meant to be a diorama
>>98421954Is the Doom Diver a Night Goblin thing? The models look like normal goblins to me.
>>98434322>>98434345Gotta justify the $100 for one miniature price tag. >>98434361I think it's just regular goblins. This one and the OG have goblins without the robes/hoods. And there's no "1 per NG character" restriction like other stuff.
>>98434286If you take everything that isn't the catapult entirely out of the equation it's not bad, but the fantasy ox, the captain's wheel dude and the over complicated lock/firing mechanism make it look way too crowded. And it still would never fit on that base
>>98432964Some kind of halfling unit, or pikes. Dwarfs with Pikes would also be cool.
>>98434411>halfing pikesso normal spears
I will rebase my Beastmen on 20mm squares this year. I will also redouble my efforts to find my metal Beastlord.
>>98434448what sizes are minos, bestagors, gors, ungors in tow?
>>98434454No idea in TOW, sorry Anon. I only have Ungors, Gors, Bestigors, various Shaman and Lords and a Ghorgon. I do want a Cygor, however.
>>9843445440mm, 30mm, and 25mm.
>>98434454>what sizes are, minos, bestagors, gors, ungors in tow?Minotaurs: 50mmBestigors 30mmGors/Ungors 25mm
>>98434493Adorable Razorgor you have there.
>>98434512Thank you, I am really pleased how it turned out.
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>>98434516>>98434524Bonus lore
>>98434493Great work>Minotaurs: 50mmminos are bigger than ogres?
Saw this just now, love classic style paintjobs and basing.
>>98434564I think ogres got upped to 50 too, everything got upsized
>>98434286I think it could work, removing the vehicular part of course and trimming the run
Bit of an odd question I suppose, but what does the backside of the Crane Gunner shields look like?
>>98434448>>98434454We need new Minotaurs ao fucking badly, the old kit is showing it's age at this point that they stick out.
>>98434611.... Fuck. Well lets put these guys in the freeze and hope for a clean break >>98422831
>>98434631BEHOLD!>https://www.greenstuffworld.com/en/base-adaptors/3597-plastic-base-adaptor-40-to-50mm.htmlExample of a 25 to 30mm
>>98427533Warhammer Community has also been getting steadily worse and worse with every new iteration. Everything's split up into multiple categories but which articles go to which categories often make no fucking sense and multiple system have no dedicated categories. I could understand their site being shit when boomer Kirby was in charge and funnelling the web design budget to a front company owned by his wife was the only value he could see in the internet, but modern GW are supposed to be more savvy.
>>98434530Kinooooooooo post the rest
Best way to make the riders more like Hobgoblins than just regular goblins? I'd like to try to march the proportions on the hobgrot vandals kit coz I'm using that for my hobgrots on foot.
>>98434361Generally speaking, warmachines pertains to regular goblins, while units made of actual soldiers might belong to the various typologies of goblinoid
>>98434677I can do a dump of the "Letters" I have made so far.
>>98434684Hobgrot vandalz kit for ref
>>98434448I'm relatively sure only ungors go on 20s
>>98434621Should have been the easiest thing to google but turns out no one bothered making a picture of the other side of the sprue.
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>>98434689Gross.
>>98434619Yea I don't thing it's as bad as people make it to be. replacing the goblins or even just their heads would help. I can see it converted very easily to a gnoblar scrap-launcher. but even as a doom diver, sure is a big miniature, but it's not like it would matter too much.
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>>98434530>>98434688>>98434698>>98434702Damn man, seeing someone love their army so much as to create lore for them makes me jealous. Very nice, anon
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>>98434621>>98434692Well here you go
>>98434530>>98434688>>98434698>>98434702>>98434705I love these anon, never ever stop
>>98434684>>98434689Chop both at the torso and swap? You could perhaps use the other Hobgrot kit for variant heads as I believe they're a big nastier looking
>>98434705>>98434704Thanks man, I see it as the point of reaching 110% with your minis to give them "life" so to speak, and it's not hard, give it a shot yourself, it's fun.
>>98434684the three most important features would be the yellowish skintone, the tusks and a more squashed round nose.The latter two sound relatively complex but you could do a pair of tests that involve just two thick drops of sprue glue on the lower teeth, and circumcising and physically bending down a little bit their schnozs.if you could recast the hobgrots heads that would certainly come in handy also for the hats though.
>>98434712>>98434708I will (try to) do this for every unit I build and paint to completion, at least when I have a unit I can photo and display.
>>98434165>>Mordheim was brilliant for the time but aged like milk and was easy to break (spam skaven slaves with slings)>whfb skirmish 6th was ok. Just okFucking absolutely retarded and deranged take.
>>98434715>yellow skin
>>98434724Last unit/character specific one I have.
>>98434725YouTube told him that lmao absolute nogames I know exactly the video he watched
>>98434709The torso isnt the challenge, ita actually the legs - which are short on the wolf rider and longer on the hobgoblins (since hobgoblins stand a bit taller than normal gobs)
>>98434737Nigger I played Mordheim for 2 years. Waac faggots ruined it. Also armor was a total joke withut houserules
>>98434749No one is going to notice. If you do then glue them further down with a sculpted robe covering them?
>>98434754post your models
>>98434754>Waac faggots ruined it.I mean.. how hard is it to just tell your opponent: "Dude please, can you avoid doing X or spamming Y?" That's if it's a pick up game without any prior arrangement to meet. If instead you actually had to talk about a date that worked for both players why not also mention that "Hwy, just so you know, we're not playing any cheesy bullshit, so please avoid bringing your unending horde of crap."
>>98434801>I mean.. how hard is it to just tell your opponent: "Dude please, can you avoid doing X or spamming Y?"Bro you have no idea how much a fag the main guy was. He was a magic player and so up his own ass. He basically threw a tantrum when he was loosing unironically threatening to flip the table and pouting like a child. He also kept talking shit about my board even after I stopped bringing it "levels need to be 2 inches not 3 like some people"Dude was straight out of the eltingville club and ruined my enjoyment of mordheim>>98434795yo
>>98434731I just think they look better and more recognisably asian if you paint them yellowishunfortunately you can't rely on these models having stereotypical asian facial features
>>98434835I totally believe you, anon. Those people fucking exist and they're exhausting to deal with. Mordheim is what I'd consider almost a "self filtering" system because it's so absurdly easy to break that WAACfags out themselves immediately, pretty much as soon as you see their list. I try to end up playing with the hippie diy indie-gamer types. The ones who only buy from Ramshackle games and shit, recast, get mad if they see you pay for a GW box. they've got their own gayness and a huge thing for petty drama, but at least such people understand the spirit of the game when I crawl out to one of their events like once or twice a year. Honestly I've found that purely locally, the OPR fags are chiller than people playing Real Warhammer and I kind of really really like alt activation. But it's not Warhammer any more then, it's OPR. But they're a much better class of people in the same store. All about picking your players, right? I'd rather have no game or some ruleslight bullshit before I play with someone that I just don't like.
>>98434835Found my old post describing the night he really pissed me offHe also is a dick outside of games I would learn later
Do I ask for priming and brush tips here or elsewhere? I use to build and paint minis 2 years ago, and only for 1 year period (good amount of 40k and AoS minis), so I'm lacking on some information but want to get started with all the Cathay minis I have.
>>98434903He would also take advantage of newer player DURING TEACHING GAMES. Like he made up rules and wouldnt answer questions that didnt benifit him. Last time I played him was when I was forced to durring the campagin.My point is just because I dont like mordheim doesnt mean Imma no games.The system is archaic. Good for the time but clunky. Igougo works in a rank and flank battle, not a skirmish
>>98434901>I'd rather have no game or some ruleslight bullshit before I play with someone that I just don't like."No warhammer is better than bad warhammer"A vital lesson in gaming
>>98434994this is really true.Think about the time commitment you put in, the time to travel back and forth, the time to set up put away your miniatures, the time spent writing a list, playing the actual game...If you're not going to enjoy it; you're unironically much better off spending that time painting your miniatures. Learning to say no to certain people might be hard at first, but it will greatly improve your hobby life.
I like mordhiem but this meme makes me laugh so I used gayI to upscale it
>>98435061In the age of bots you should make your memes downscaled and low effort on genuine purpose
>>98435061>>>/tg/slop
>>98435132This
>>98434516>>98434524>>98434530>>98434688>>98434698>>98434702>>98434705>>98434712>>98434724>>98434732You are an inspiration as always, Beastbro.
>>98435732Him and beast woman’s anons stuff really are what the general should aspire to.
>>98435408this is incredibly based and soulful.
I regret not getting this part of the last MTO.
>>98435959Never hesitate on something you want, unless you're one of them poors.
>>98436058>>98436058>>98436058>>98436058New
>>98432964Wolfkins, aka Ulrican Flagellants, drunken, belligerent and always itching for a fight.
>>98434165They can bring back Mordheim. Playing rule of cool makes it fun, playing to break or exploit the rules makes it stupidly boring fast. (2 maces+lucky charms for example)
>>98434170I could arrange that. Trying to come up with narrative battles for all the upcoming warmaster battles planned
