>the post that showed a screenshot of archive search result with years worth of "tsr era d&d" in old osrg op's is deleted almost instantly
So as it would seem osrgtrolls are back to their usual 1984 tactic of just deleting all posts they don't agree with courtesy of whichever one of them applied to be a janny

This is what intrigues me the most, not only they are lying, they know they are lying, they know others know they are lying, they will delete evidence that proves they are lying, and yet they just try to force their agenda down everyone's throat and they play the victim
Really is a case for menyal health professionals to research

>>98426331
>TQ
Blackmoor is cooler than greyhawk. Yeah, i said it.

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I'm in love with Mystara setting.

>>98426805
Very nice.
The Gazetteers are the best place to read about it, also the rules cyclopedia was literally made for the setting effectively.

>>98426331
Mods, this is a spam thread, an Open OSR already exists as you can see: >>98425397

>>98426331
>Gygax or Arneson?

Neither. They're both guys with severe flaws who are not worth revering, especially in the near-worship fashion some people do.

>>98426926
No, i'm not going to go to that thread that drastically changed the OP. I made a proper sequel thread

>>98426331
I've grown to appreciate Gygax more over time and Arneson less, but it's important to understand that it's not a story of Heroes and Villains.

Arneson contributed important ideas, including the genesis of D&D. But, it's important to understand that while D&D was the first commercially available RPG, the greater concept had already existed for some time, with gaming fanzines offering rules for various proto-RPGs and many non-fantasy wargames having what we would today call roleplaying elements. Arneson was not some unique genius who ushered in a new age of gaming; he was just a guy who demo'd for Gygax a way to use Chainmail that made Gygax's gears spin.

Gygax deserves a lot of credit. The thing I want to give him the most credit for is the amount of drive he had, though it was motivated by a less-than-noble idea. While he was working on D&D, similar games were being developed, including games by Avalon Hill and other publishers, who had rejected Gygax's proposals when he tried pitching D&D to them, preferring to develop their own in-house projects. So, he did his best to rush out OD&D as quickly as he could and then tried to patent the concept, including later coining the phrase Role Playing Game in order to distinguish it from being a War Gaming Supplement as he originally marketed it as when his initial patent efforts failed. The original OD&D was a slapdash cheaply printed set of booklets that hit the bare minimums of what could be construed as a commercial product, and that's all Gygax thought it had to be.

What he thought he had was a way to corner the market, and while he did end up using the first-mover advantage to turn D&D into the dominant game, we could have been living in a world where Gygax's games were the ONLY games for 15 years or more. Thankfully, he didn't get the patent, and even more thankfully the game grew tremendously out from beneath him. By the time he was working on AD&D, RPGs had already become an untameable monster.

>>98427233
Why would you think that post was directed at you? It was information for the mods that they should delete this duplicate spam thread

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>>98426805
>>98426813
>immediately back to the same old schizobumping

>>98427194
>reeee I hate old-school D&D and its creators

>>98427349
>massive deranged alt-history post

Keep up the quality boys, lmao

>>98427194
They each had their part in the story of RPGs.

The problem is both tried to make their parts bigger than they were, while people around them tried to make them smaller.

I really wish that the early era of RPGs had at least one genuine genius, or at least a person of unquestionable talent. Instead, we've got a lot of guys who flit between competent and incompetent.

>>98426805
I've got a lot of mixed feelings about it.
There's tons of material, but it's often very unfocused and inconsistent, and it also just doesn't have the same strong elevator pitches that Dark Sun or Ravenloft or Faerun have.
It would be interesting to go through it all and create a curated version of it, highlighting the more interesting bits and showcasing the setting's strengths, but that would also be a mountain of work that would probably be better spent just making your own setting.

>>98427724
I like the maps.

>>98427788
Judging a setting on its maps is like judging a book by its cover.
More valid than people would like to admit.

>>98426926
They leave this guys fake threads up a lot

>>98427233
This is the one that changed the OP, it does not use the Open OSR OP but the anti osrg OP

>>98428560
NTA, but the other thread changed the OP into an outright lie though.

>>98426331
Moldvay.

>>98428554
I don't really get it either, this is probably the fifth or sixth clear cut case of him just posting a fake one after a real one already existed, it doesn't seem to make much sense.

>>98429093
Fuck off already, falseflagging troll. It's not hard to understand. You made the thread early just to try and troll with "2e is OSR-adjacent instead of OSR". It's not the first time you tried making a falseflag thread to try and split and divide the thread, and considering your record of trolly shit, we can expect you to keep trying that sort of dumb shit.

>>98426331
>trying to start inter-thread skubwars in the OP pasta
retard

>>98427349
>I've grown to appreciate Gygax more over time
I'm the opposite.

The more stuff I read that he personally wrote, the more it looks like D&D exisisting was some sorta fluke miracle.

>>98429447
He did work hard and clearly cared about games.
Up until he didn't, but life's funny sometimes.

>>98429276
I'm not the one trying to cause fights between but posting butthurt right in the OP text, so you're the one to divide, and I'm not the one who made an Open OSR thread when there was already one up in the catalog, so I'm not the one trying to split the thread. And just generally, what do you mean? When you took the "Open OSR" title off the other thread, and changed its OP, you said that it was stupid to think that anybody could own a thread, and that it wasn't possible to steal a thread title – do you want me to link the posts yet again? "Anyone can make a continuation for a thread" – this was your exact justification for changing the Open OSR OP text, so how can you complain now that another OP poster changed the text?

>>98429658
>between but posting
*between threads by posting

>>98429658
>and I'm not the one who made an Open OSR thread when there was already one up in the catalog
>>98378113
This thread is even still up.
The other thread was made early by a troll who felt like trolling and saying 2e is OSR-adjacent rather than OSR.

Please, stop acting like everyone has to be an idiot, and fuck off already.

>>98426331
I purposely do not allow loud annoying narcissistic black women to play in my osr games. This is despite WotC successfully inundating the entire ttrpg hobby scene with them pursuant to their very successful marketing campaign of featuring them on the cover of every book, on every page, and on every card they have illustrated and published for the past 12 years.

>>98426805
>inane bumpfag map-posting with "i like game"
like fuckin clockwork. Literally kill yourself, fishfag

>>98429798
based if true

>>98429762
>This thread is even still up.
That one has hit bump limit and is on page 10, it's obviously legitimate to make a replacement thread.

>>98429762
I mean, saying 2e is OSR-adjacent is already damn generous. In reality 2e isn't even close to OSR. It's just regular trad railroadfagging, the standard bearer for that play style really.

There's a reason why people constantly reference Gygaxian D&D and not Arnesonian D&D. Arneson was a hack and as far as OSR is concerned, he's got nothing to do with it. In fact Arnesons approach evolved into modern nu-roleplaying storyfaggotry

>>98430138
>There's a reason why people constantly reference Gygaxian D&D and not Arnesonian D&D.
Because they don't really understand Gygax. Or Arneson, for that matter.

Looking at their post-D&D games, made independently from each other, it turns out that Arneson's system Adventures in Fantasy ended up being oddly crunch heavy, including one of the most ridiculous encumbrance systems that actually had a characters speed determined by a percentile based chart of how much they were carrying compared to their maximum, while Gygax's first post-D&D foray (not counting Cyborg Commando), Dangerous Journeys, used a completely abstracted inventory system. DJ had a complex Magic system, but it was still largely abstracted like much of the system was and this carried on into Lejendary Adventure.

Arneson came from a heavy, heavy wargaming background, and while he did introduce story elements to his wargaming, he was still very much a pimply nerd with the "storytelling" ability of a... pimply nerd. While he did make up rules frequently, he would also take note of them, and end up running an incredibly crunch heavy game, especially compared to Gygax.

Gygax's favorite game to run was actually slimmed down OD&D with houserules that largely amounted to bypassing/ignoring some of the more clumsy rules. Funnily enough, Gygax actually didn't like heavy rule sets and even more despised what he called "rulesplayers," who very likely would have called Gygax a "storyfaggot" or whatever forced meme they're trying to push these days if they saw how he ran games.

Does anyone have a good system for high quality mundane gear in a becmi like system?

>>98430327
BECMI?

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>>98430334
Basic, Expert, Companion, Master, Immortal, repackaged into one book with rulescyclopidia. It is the final revision of odnd, compared to the entirely rewritten adnd line

>>98430334
I think BECMI doesn't put much emphasis on normal items, judging by how much they're mogged by magic items.
And BECMI has a lot of magic items. 1000+.
https://pandius.ix.iq.pl/mgcitmts.html

>>98430372
Yes well I am running an actual game and need a high quality mundane suit of dwarf sized plate for a player. I already have a way to deal with magic gear. I don't care if it is in someone's blog instead of an "official" source

>>98430399
>high quality mundane suit of dwarf sized plate for a player

You might consider Armor made of unusual materials.
https://adnd2e.fandom.com/wiki/Armor_Made_of_Unusual_Metals_(DMG)

Not recommending Elven Steel for a dwarf, but Fine Steel could be cool.

>>98430426
You know what, that works really well. I use a slot based encumbrance system so shaving off a slot or 2 is a perfect fit for the power level I want this to be at. Thanks for the suggestion

>>98430372
>https://pandius.ix.iq.pl/mgcitmts.html
Pandius desperately needs a major site overhaul.
It's a disorganised mess of a site that makes it hard to find the useful resources in it.

>>98430487
No no, I enjoy having to download excel sheets in order to look things up.

>>98430487
Wrong. It could only get worse. Don't fix what isn't broken.

>>98430426
>https://adnd2e.fandom.com/wiki/Armor_Made_of_Unusual_Metals_(DMG)
How the fuck is adamantite that expensive.

>>98430838
Rarity+the shit is nearly impossible to work with.

Better question is what dumb faggot is wearing armor made of gold.

>>98429762
That one is not a troll thread. It uses the OSR OP, sure it's modified, but it uses the OP.

This is likely the guy the call fishfag in his forever war. It just stole the name

>>98430906
>Better question is what dumb faggot is wearing armor made of gold.
One or two PCs per group if you give them the opportunity to.
>>98431107
Ya if anything this is the "troll" thread, the other was made first and this one is bitching about generals. I feel like the only way we could have decent OSR discussions not drowned out with people arguing about the definition of OSR for months on end is if we made a non TSR/wotc the tail end of 2e was wotc/hasbro hasbro is reprinting all of it now OSR general dedicated to talking about more recent OSR games, adventures, and blogs. I play LotFP a b/x clone, I don't give a fuck about adnd, most OSR blogs are more relevant to me than anything published for either adnd edition

>>98431447
The other is not the troll thread, correct. I started the Open OSR threads, the other is not one I made but it used a version of the Open OSR OP. This one just stole the name to keep his forever war going.

You will never get the trolls to stop as long as you date talk about OSR they disagree with.

>>98431447
>>98431556
Neither of you guys are wrong but you should both really learn to use sage. Right now you're in a troll thread bumping it by agreeing with each other that it's a troll thread. Not super clever.

>>98431592
Ya even if the op of this one is worse the thread as a whole is better, not worth saging

>>98431447
>>98431556
You need to fuck off with this falseflagging.

Any, and I mean ANY attempt to say 2e is not OSR is enough to out someone as a troll. It's really that simple. There's absolutely no point in extending the benefit of the doubt anymore, considering how many times the trolls have been caught falseflagging and otherwise, all while hoping that 4chan doesn't have a memory and can't recall something that happened even less than a week ago.

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>>98430906
>*Fucks your bride*

>>98431704
2e isn't OSR, though. How can stating the unambiguous truth be trolling?

>>98431809
The truth always sounds like hate to those who hate the truth.

>>98432000
You calling Matt Finch a liar?

>>98429447
>the more it looks like D&D exisisting was some sorta fluke miracle.

D&D was an inevitable. If Gygax+Arneson didn't make it, someone else would have, and the game itself would probably end up being very similar to what it ultimately became.

Gygax originally didn't even want Tolkien stuff in the game, but you can't exactly make a kitchen sink fantasy game without Tolkien stuff.

>>98432918
who?

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>>98426331
What do people think of this fist level clerical spell?
>Bless item: A number of items equal to your cleric level divided by 2 rounded up can be blessed. When blessed add an additional 1d4 to attack rolls or ability checks using that item. If used to attack, the item is treated as a +1 magic weapon for the purposes of damage. Items retain this effect for a number of minutes equal to your cleric level.

The idea is for a highly versatile spell that is still incremental in its effect. I like the idea of a cleric blessing a mob of pressganged peasant's hoes and sickled before facing off against an approaching undead hoard. Or a cleric uttering a short prayer and tapping a compass a few times that has gone haywire and it miraculously returns to pointing north.

>>98433901
A guy who worked on C&C, made OSRIC and S&W, and also is in the credits for helping out games like LL. He also wrote the 2008 "OSR Primer" that helped explain what made OSR OSR.

>>98433946
Seems a bit overpowered, especially compared to a the Bless spell which only gives a +1 bonus to attack rolls instead of 1d4.

In general it's just very similar to the Bless spell, which also can be used to bless items and is basically the go-to "Spell to help a group of peasants fight an undead hoard".

>Do you think Matt Finch is incapable of being wrong?
You know usually you have to die before anyone can remake you into some kind of source of divine authority.
I wonder if Mr Finch is happy with his crazy cult of one fish-scented virgin?

>>98434136
>Bless spell, which also can be used to bless items
real shit? I thought bless could only effect creatures. Yah, that kind of makes it redundant then. I was thinking there could be the trade off of it only effecting particular items (so your bow and your sword would take up 2 of the possible items respectively) for the benefit of greater effect (d4 instead of flat +1) and utility/exploration bonus of it making a spy glass more effective or a rope less likely to snap.

Maybe it could be a level 2 spell...

>>98434220
Why do you always have to be such a disingenuous fag about everything? Always leaping to hyperboles.
No one is trying to deify Matt Finch. He is, however, allowed to have his opinion, and people are allowed to agree with him.

You're doing all you can to say he's not allowed to have his opinion, and all because it makes your personal crusade against a game look utterly ridiculous when the guy who you think made the first OSR game (and the game you cite as being made with the core philosophy of OSR) disagrees with you about what OSR games even are.

>>98431704
Except it's not osr, which is exactly why the mods told you to fuck off and make these gay little troll threads instead of shitting up the actual thread

>>98434273
Dude literally nobody gives a fuck about what he has to say on the matter except for you.
You keep bringing him up like he is some type of golden bullet, but the simple fact is we don't give a fuck who he is, or what he says, or what he has written.
He's just another nobody screaming into the wind like yourself.

>>98434262
The Bless spell can bless items, but doing so only gives them a "blessed" status, which doesn't give an immediate mechanical bonus but makes them useful against certain types of monsters.

>>98434262
>thought bless could only effect creatures
Have you tried reading the fucking books?
By which I mean 1e not 5e

>>98434279
Dude, brah, famalan, you think his opinion shouldn't matter because you disagree with it, despite his resume being considerably more substantial than "Some anonymous troll who's completely retarded."

Why should anyone listen to anything you say, rather than listening to him and his explanation of what OSR is?

>but the simple fact is we
Speak for yourself. You're not in some retarded echo chamber here, you can only say what you think or provide quotes or proof that other people agree with you. Like having Matt Finch's own words saying with no room for misinterpretation that 2e is OSR.

>>98434273
If you're going to try and push some sort of consensus based definition you have to deal with everyone who disagrees with you.
You'll probably have better luck with less trolling if you make a less inflammatory OP but you've likely also poisoned the well so hard its premafucked.

>>98434307
All the other OSR communities in the world understand that the only way OSR works is with a live-and-let-live approach that allows people to have different opinions. Like fucking adults.

You are allowed to think something along the lines of "I don't like the changes made in 2e. I prefer more "old school" old school games."

You cannot, however, attempt to declare that 2e is not OSR and try to hound people out of discussing it, especially when there's considerable proof that 2e is always considered to be part of the OSR. It's really that simple.

If you think differently, there's a containment thread specifically for you, and you can go fuck off there instead of trying to play some sort of "You must tolerate my intolerance" bullshit like it's your first time being an internet troll.

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>>98434283
Didnt know that. Is that in a specific book?
>>98434285
uh, but anon, It says creatures here in 1e PHB...

Dont have to blow a gasket.
I guess you can Interprete the +1 to hit as effecting the weapons, but the implication more seems that it raises your spirits to better attack since it says "effects creatures"

>>98434349
Oh, neat, I didn't realize the bless item part was added in 2e.
https://adnd2e.fandom.com/wiki/Bless_(Priest_Spell)

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>>98434356
It was technically already in 1e, they just didn't say it in the Bless spell description.

>>98430138
"Gygaxian D&D" is literally Arnesonian D&D

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>>98434417
dropped my image
anyways, read the first hand accounts of the era

>>98434356
That explains it.
>>98434410
hmm, could this imply something different than the explicit spell bless? Like it simply means a broad ritual blessing was done without thought for the specific lvl 1 spell. I say this since "bless crossbow bolts" seems very specific.

>>98434325
You keep saying everyone else in the world as if that matters.
I get its important to you, but it doesn't matter here. There isn't really anything you can do about that so you have to either learn to be less of a shitter or drown. Your call really.

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>>98434481
It's a bit hard to see, but "blessed" is italicized, which tends to be reserved for spell names and effects created be spells, like 'charming' people or 'summoning' monsters.

There's still probably plenty of room for personal interpretation though, with some people saying the Consecrate spell could also do the trick.

>>98434487
It matter here. It doesn't matter in your containment thread, so if you want to live in a world of lies, you've got your little playpen.
Dumbass troll.

>>98434531
>containment thread
No such thing. Try learning how posting works before declaring yourself king of shit mountain.

>>98426331
>Please report and ignore any trolling.
Seems like sound advice.

>>98434298
>schizo babble cope
no, his opinion doesnt matter because I dont give a fuck.

>>98434325
>All the other OSR communities in the world understand
cool, go there instead of crying and bitching that 4chins isnt what you want.

>>98434523
>crosses
Christianity, in my D&D?!

>>98434410
Probably makes sense not to include a Rakshasa's instant-kill weakness in the book the players can look in.

>>98435045
Aside from a player looking it up in the monster manual, how was a player supposed to figure out that a Blessed crossbow bolt could kill a rakshasha, let alone that it was even possible to cast Bless on a crossbow bolt?

>>98434273
>Why do you always have to be such a disingenuous fag about everything?
>t. Keeps Bringing Up Matt Finch As An Authority After Being Told Nobody Cares Dozens Of Times

>>98434325
>All the other OSR communities in the world understand that the only way OSR works is with a live-and-let-live approach that allows people to have different opinions. Like fucking adults.
No, that's incorrect. All the other OSR communities in the world understand that 2e, 3e, 4e and 5e are not old-school editions of D&D and that it's pointless to have a definition or movement without any boundaries. The sole potential exception is one subreddit that calls itself OSR but is too trooned up to permit anything seen as "gatekeeping". They're not important.

Anyway, as Anon says, if you really believe that everywhere else agrees with your tardery, go ahead and fuck along off to there. Why are you wasting your time here, when according to you it's the one place you aren't welcome?

>>98434531
No, it doesn't matter here either. You can't just declare that you own a thread and that people aren't allowed to post things you disagree with in it, you don't seem to understand how 4chan works. Or alternatively, why don't you use your mod powers to put a stop to it?

>>98435528
Stop lying.

There's no point in trying to turn 4chan into some sort of last stronghold for your blatantly false lies. 4chan may be the very last place in the world where something like your bullshit could ever endure or persist, because the truth would always surface and resurface. You will always be challenged, and you will always keep losing.

The only way anyone would ever fall for your bullshit is if you indoctrinated them and forced them to only believe you, and never listen to any of the thousands of people who understand you to be wrong. The moment anyone steps outside of your echo chamber, takes a moment to look at the games from any perspective other than yours, they will see that you've been wrong and always were wrong, you just were too much of a coward to admit you've wasted your life dying on the hill of some lie.

You lost before you came here. The only reason you still post as you do is because you think as long as you don't have to admit it, you can continue to lie even though you know you're wrong. That's true. You can continue to be a cancer that tries to cheat his way into some hollow, temporary respite for yourself, but the truth will keep reappearing no matter how much you scream your lies to try and cover it.

2e is OSR. Always was. Even on 4chan, where the archive proves it.

You can keep trying to troll and reshape the board in every unmanly and deceitful way your worm-like mind devises, but my earnest recommendation, a charity you don't deserve but is still offered to you, is to accept that both you and anyone else who even has the slightest bit of knowledge about OSR games know how much you're lying, and to understand it will never go unchallenged for long.

Especially on 4chan.

The fuck kind of retard tries to build his sand castle in the middle of the ocean.

>He's manifesto-posting again

>>98435656
Even when you know you look dumb doing it, you still try to gaslight. It's a compulsion, isn't it?

>>98435635
>There's no point in trying to turn 4chan into some sort of last stronghold for your blatantly false lies.
Ironic.

What a sad compulsion.

>>98435810
It is indeed sad someone who doesn't even play 2nd ed, or any osr game, is this obsessed with pushing a narrative they freely admit is an attempt to colonize for political reasons.

>>98435234
There's probably a smart way of doing it. A full-on mystery that can even take several sessions to resolve. Just dropping a Rakshasa on the PCs and saying "Deal with this" won't give them much of a chance to work out that specific weakness, but that's not the only way you can use monsters.

If you've got a Rakshasa doing his best to eliminate all the priests in a town, that could lead to clues indicating he's trying to eliminate everyone who could potentially cast Bless. Throw in a legend about a nearly invincible Rakshasa dying to a single crossbow bolt, and the players at least have a clue that something like that is even possible.

>>98435635
>you will always keep losing
>meanwhile in reality: Fishfag is getting his shit caved in consistently, was evicted from /osrg/, is stuck making fake hijack versions of the Open OSR slide thread just to have a containment thread to seethe in

>>98435635
>2e is OSR.
Nope! That's incorrect. 2e is not OSR. Never was, never will be. Hope this helps!

>>98435828
Notice he still hasn't explained why he hasn't fucked off to literally anywhere else if everywhere else agrees with him so much and is so welcoming. He just tries to skate right past that repeated question like it doesn't exist, kek. What a loser fraud.

>>98435234
Its so a DM can check if his players will metagame. If one blesses a bolt he knows he's a cheater.

>>98435234
Decent GMing

>>98435835
Or you could have the rakshasha get really drunk one day and jump on the table at a bar and shout "THE ONLY SHINGLE THING THAT CAN KILL BE ISH CASHTING BLESH ON CROSHBOW BOLT."

>no one actually knows how to distribute information to player characters
lmao none of you play at all do you?

>>98433946
Might be a little too strong at lower levels and reduce the importance of having a magic weapon at those levels, but at least at higher levels it won't be a complete dud spell like a lot of them end up being. I'd be cautious about it, but not opposed to trying it out.

>>98434108
Okay, but what else has he done?

>>98435635
Meds, then suicide, fishfag

>>98434108
No one cares lmao

>>98434108
I like Finch's work, but i honestly use the principa apocrypha more nowadays.

>>98437454
The PA works. It's a little soft-bellied, but considering that the opposite direction leads to intense pig-headed grognardism, it's probably good to be at least a little hippy-dippy.

>>98436285
Your mother.

Session 4 of stonehell soon. will report back after it's ran.

>>98435635
You seriously have schizophrenia and delusions if you are taking all of this that seriously.
I have met tweakers in the throes of delusional meth psychosis who are more cogent and capable of rationality than you are.

>>98436285
He has an OSR youtube channel.

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>>98430365
>BECMI are the MTG Colors
Gygax was planning to sell D&D to WotC all along.

>>98438611
>TFW not enough people showed to run
Drat
Oh well.

>>98440802
Just don't end up like those guys who do shit like penalize players who don't show up with dumb stuff like "real time games" where time in the game continues to pass alongside time in the real world and bad stuff happens when you're not at a game to deal with it.

>>98441235
>so mad about brosr you can't even type it
lol

>>98441503
brosr?

>>98441235
Eat shit, you fucking nogames loser lmao

>>98426331
I played as a kid in the early '80s, and then DM'd at hobby shops in the late '80s as a teen. When 2e debuted, we were mostly still using 1e and still picked out bits we liked from 2e (personally, mostly equipment, spells, new monsters, and setting material). Though I'm sure it happened, I don't recall anyone I knew abandoning 1e and fully converting to 2e. Some still played any amalgamated variety of AD&D, Moldvay, BECMI, and home rules (Moldvay/Cook/AD&D was a popular early '80s combo). Anyhow, I'd argue the OSR never really existed, and there was never a Renaissance of any sort, as a lot of us never stopped playing the earlier versions up until today. The OSR had too much hipster-y, Adventure Time aesthetic and vibes in it, for my tastes.

>>98442478
>Though I'm sure it happened, I don't recall anyone I knew abandoning 1e and fully converting to 2e.
Most people didn't think of things in that vein. You didn't "abandon" 1e, because it was still compatible with 2e, and even in Dragon Magazine there was a soft period where material written using both editions was coming out before it became all 2e.

It wasn't quite like when 3e came out, and the whole magazine instantly became all 3e.

>I'd argue the OSR never really existed, and there was never a Renaissance of any sort, as a lot of us never stopped playing the earlier versions up until today

That's fairly anecdotal, but the bigger picture is that the publishers stopped all pre-3e material in 2000, so all pre-3e lost support. Even Necromancer Games which specialized in Old School 1e-style adventures was making them in 3e using the OGL.

But then C&C came out, and then BFRP and OSRIC and so on, and the old editions got support again. The whole "dark age" of old school games lasted only about four years (2000-2004), but then again so did WWI.

>>98442852
>made-up schizo alt-history: the return
lmao, you've really gotten stuck in the loop, huh?

>>98442858
>trying to gaslight people on information they can verify themselves, and solely by screeching
Why do you even bother.

>>98442872
>muh gaslighting
Unreal. You really are just running off a script. Either you're a bot or your mind is so fried it amounts to a robotomy.

>>98442478
>I was doing it before it was cool
is the most hipster thing you can say dude.
Lines up with your "idea" that there was simultaneously no OSR and you didn't like its aesthetic.
That you also fail to identify.
Is this bait?

Is OSE the go-to rec for OSR these days?

I wanted to tell a guy to just use B/X but OSE seems cleaner.

>>98444065
I wouldnt say theres any goto. People come into OSR with different goals.
OSE is fine, but it's not hard to find info on all the other games and to pick one that has a style you like.

>>98442478
Who asked and who gives a fuck?

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>>98444065
Serious questions should be address to /osrg/: >>98435873
This is a thread exclusively for mocking a troll.

>>98445360
The posts in your thread seem retarded.

>>98445717
>t. Roll

>>98445717
Always ignore that guy.

>>98445717
No one here even knows how to get in game information to players. They fundamentally don't play or understand osr games here. Its amusing.

Why doesn't rock to mud doesn't shorten more sieges in AD&D?

At 9th level a wizard can transmute enough rock that a 30 foot high curtain wall, 20 feet thick at the base tapering to 10 feet at the top, could have a 1 inch wide U-shape channel of mud penetrating the full thickness from the front face to the rear face, top to bottom with the two vertical parts connected by a 60 foot long bottom channel. If the channel was 2 inches wide then there are only 9 feet between the vertical parts. That cut out section of wall is going to slump under its own weight. The front and back faces weren't perfectly connected, being skins of stone blocks surrounding mortar and rubble, so could unpeel but even if the didn't you have a great target for an earthquake spell. Three such rock to mud spells could make an about 5 foot wide 6 foot tall tunnel through an average 15 foot thick wall. There could be defending wizards too but the ability of wizards to conduct sieges is being severely undermined.

>>98430365
>Immortal, repackaged into one book with rulescyclopidia
Immortal rules were not repackaged into RC, there were just a very basic 5 pages of outline saying they can fuck over PCs but they don't usually bother and how PCs might become immortals. The Immortal box set became the Wrath of the Immortals set.

>>98446598
I think flight+invisibility would be a lot easier. Just fly above the wall, open the gates.

>>98440802
that sucks anon
I personally never trust players to show up without a reminder which I usually set up as a scheduled message a day or two in advance of the game
it drastically increases the chances they'll write they can't make it so I can decide if it's even worth running the game or if we are skipping this one
usually I'll still run a game if at least 2 show up

>>98446598
>>98447127
Any wizard that needs to use a spell above 1st level to end a siege shouldn't qualify as a wizard.

Animate Dead Animals on a large snake skeleton should be more than enough to send a perfect infiltrator through any sewage system and still have the kind of strength neccesary to manipulate various gate mechanisms.

>>98448286
Animate Dead is not a first level spell, bozo.

>>98449116
NTA but different spell, he's talking about Animate Dead Animals which is from some 90s 2e book
he's a dumb ass anyway because most snakes are above the HD limit for what a level 1 magic user would be able to animate, much less a snake would be large enough to do something like operate the mechanism to raise a portcullis

>>98449438
It sounds like this dude is a retard nogames doing his damnedest to try and fit in with people who have actually touched dice

>>98449438
>what a level 1 magic user
Sure, but we were talking about 1st level spells, not 1st level magic users.

Even so, Animate Dead Animals allows [1+ to 3 HD animal: 1/caster level], so unfortunately that only means either a Heway or a Poison Snake for a 1st level magic user, but those still should be able to do the job and probably be much less conspicuous than a 30-ft long Constrictor Snake. A black mamba can actually grow up to 14ft long, and that's one of the snakes listed for Poison Snake.

>much less a snake would be large enough to do something like operate the mechanism to raise a portcullis
A 10ft-long snake using its full body should be able to manipulate anything a person can do using their arms, assuming dexterity doesn't need to come into play. If we're talking pulling levers or turning wheels, a snake, particularly a tireless zombie snake, should be able to do the job. Snakes are basically just a rope made of muscles, and the good thing is that zombie snakes can follow orders that would require more intelligence than an ordinary snake might be able to follow.

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>>98432000
>The truth always sounds like hate to those who hate the truth.
is that why my post about osrg being dedicated to TSR-era D&D for years with an archive search pic got reported and deleted for "trolling outside /b/"?

I mean that's just a verifiable fact that is one archive search away

>>98450188
No, that happened because you are a verifiable troll who has been trying to shit on this board for years.

>>98450828
NTA, but considering that what he's talking about includes the original text of the first /osrg/, that would mean your troll was the one who started the /osrg/.

>>98443383
>I was doing it before it was cool
It's still not cool though.

>>98450188
>>98451013
This is a weird thing to try and push your spefic idea of what it should be based on when you want, as opposed to when others want and has a nowhere loop at
>it used to be X
>we don't care
and that's about as far as it gets.
There's 3 osr threads up now, you can be a fag here and people will fuck with you less if you stop being such a fag about what the other threads are up to but until that happens you're just going to have to deal with all the shitposting.
Talk about your game.

>>98451116
You keep doing this thing where you keep coming here to act like you're doing some sort of bullying, while your own thread(s) are languishing from being ignored because not even you want to be in it.

Stop trying to tell people what they should think despite all evidence being to the contrary, and stay in your own thread where you can have your own idea of what OSR means, instead of being constantly destroyed by the endless facts arrayed against you. This is a thread in the original, true style of OSR, and if you don't like that, you can go back to your own thread.

>>98451140
>help I'm being bullied!
lol okay

>>98451140
The mods have already formally and officially told you to fuck off with this bullshit, why do you keep trying to push your off-site garbage instead of just adapting to the communities that are here?

You really need to go on a one-man crusade to make this one last corner of the internet agree with everyone else, just for uniformity of consensus?

>>98451229
You have your corner. No one cares about it anymore, so go back to it.

>>98451105
Not escaping the hipster allegations with that one.

>>98451271
You are so pathetic that even 4chan jannies have officially decried your actions

>>98451274
Like something before it was never cool is not being a hipster, it's just being a dork.

>>98451685
>its so underground its not even cool yet
Okay hipsteranon. Whatever you say.

>>98449837
You could just send zombie rats to find their food supplies and filth them up.

>>98451140
>your own thread(s) are languishing from being ignored because not even you want to be in it
The general was always slow before you started shitting in it. It's not worse now because it's unshat than when it was moving quickly because of the crap you kept spreading in it.

Anyway, kill yourself.

>>98452134
For a guy who thinks he's the bully you sound awfully mad.

>>98451756
Any storehouse that's able to keep regular rats out is going to be able to keep zombie rats out, and regular rats are already doing their best to get in.

Though, it would probably be easy for some sort of animated animal corpse to contaminate their water supply. Some sort of bird or fish or really anything that could place itself in a well and just allow itself to decompose could really do some havoc to a castle that's not directly built by a river or the like.

>>98448286
That's a fun challenge.

>>98449438
Taking down a castle that's not prepared for magic users as a level 1 magic user definitely feels possible.

>>98451140
>This is a thread in the original, true style of OSR
>by which I mean there is zero discussion of games, no OC except my made-up fake OSR origin story, and endless seething about /osrg/

>>98451271
>No one cares about it anymore
If that were true you wouldn't spend literally all your time ITT malding about it lmao

>>98450828
considering that post has nothing to do with trolling and was deleted in like an hour I know for a fact you have one of your discord-buddies as a janny just as you did last autumn
so you probably know for a fact different people from all over the world disagree with your narrative
so why don't you cut that "you all are just the same anon" crap

also keep seething
osrg was always about TSR era D&D and games that tried providing similar experience as can be verified by an archive search

>>98451013
it's not the original post anon, stop being silly
in mid 2010 no one really bothered with elaborate OP text, it was all roughly just "this is an OSR general" and that's it
the point is that there are >700 OP posts titled osrg and having "TSR era" in OP text, which is roughly several years worth of threads

>>98452145
this

>>98452145
>>98453437
>help help I'm being bullied NURSE!
lmao

I like the idea of the Black Hack variants, and want to play them. However, I'm not sure that it's actually that good in actual practice. It just seems like it's only meant for play at level 1 or 2, and anything beyond that just becomes a "Whose number is higher" slugfest. And the fact that everyone does flat damage based on their class is sort of dumb. I like actually having a variety of weapons/armor to choose from and they all have seperate stats...

>>98453761
Every * Hack game is retarded. Just stick to playing OSR games instead. Or if you absolutely HAVE to play NuSR, try something like DCC where the rules at least fit together.

>>98453426
>There are several years of what I can pretend is what I want now, and several years of not that, but anyway I'm going to pretend the ones I want are more valid and keep shitting and pissing myself everywhere to everyone's detriment
>also ur mad imnotmad
lmao again

>>98453854
The funny thing is that even the "TSR era" OPs virtually all had "first decade" in them (since the thread regulars realized the problem pretty quickly), and he's just hoping that somehow the anons he's trying to argue down won't be aware of that.

>>98453761
Black Hack seems to not like combat. It sometimes feels a little more "fast-forward" rather than fast.

>the fact that everyone does flat damage based on their class is sort of dumb.
2nd edition Black Hack adds +1d4 for large (two handed) weapons, so there's at least that. Overall, I think the game really is just supposed to be for one-shots or other types of lite, pick-up play rather than a serious campaign.

>>98453870
the funny thing is that you continue insisting everyone should be misreading
>broadly, OSR _encourages_...
as
>OSR strictly is ...

>>98454516
You've successfully nuked discussion of either mode so good job I guess.

>>98453426
>considering that post has nothing to do with trolling and was deleted in like an hour I know for a fact you have one of your discord-buddies as a janny just as you did last autumn
Would love to see any amount of proof that you have to try and back up this claim, other than your schizophrenic delusions.

Ever considered the possibility that people just genuinely hate you?

>>98454516
Please learn how many years are in a decade

>>98453134
>If that were true you wouldn't spend literally all your time ITT malding about it lmao
Who's in which thread malding? You seem unable to stop yourself from being mad about these threads and trying to tell everyone what they should be thinking about them, instead of just letting the posts speak for themselves. Your thread is left alone largely because we don't need to tell anyone that it's gotten demonstrably worse in the last year, we can just let you continue to do as you do and prove the point better than anything we could say.

>>98452145
He sounds like someone who's used to being bullied a lot, but never really learned how to bully people himself. He's just trying to act nasty, but lacking any real honesty or truth behind his insults/attacks.

The kind of person who wants to be a bully but can't is probably the saddest sort of loser.
On the 4 box matrix, the best is the guy who could bully but doesn't, followed by the guy who can't bully and also doesn't try, followed by the guy who can bully and chooses to, and at the very very end is this guy who really wishes he could be some kind of bully but can't even be more than an self-destructing annoyance.

>>98454696
>instead of just letting the posts speak for themselves.
I'm doing that. You do a bang up job of being a fuckwit for everyone to see.

>>98454716
>I'm doing that
>he says, as he doesn't do that
The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

>>98454727
nou

>>98454627
how bout you learn to read instead?
you nagger

>>98454570
>Ever considered the possibility that people just genuinely hate you?
LOL
the board doesn't care about your petty rivalry you retard
remember when you tried making it a thing in 5eg and literally not a single soul even had a remote idea what you were referring to?

https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/98303015/#q98303015

>>98455610
Remember when you tried to merge the 3.5 and pathfinder general and everyone indeed hated you?

>>98455655
NTA, but pretty sure we established that was you performing a falseflag maneuver, because no one in their right mind would try to do that for any reason except to try and piss people off.
Do you understand the difference of what just happened? You got bullied by something real, and you in response tried to reply with something fake.

You can't beat real with fake.

>>98455610
>remember when
remember when is the lowest form of conversation

>>98454516
>he is trying to rules lawyer the text with sophisms again
See, this is exactly why everybody but you agreed to change the wording: everybody but you already understood what that meant and how it was supposed to be read (and let's be honest, you also knew all along, you just wanted to use what you thought was a useful ambiguity to force your non-OSR shit edition on the general).

>>98454696
>Who's in which thread malding?
You're in this thread, malding about /osrg/. It's all the thread is for after all, with a few bot-tier repetitions of some shit about Mystara thrown in now and then as a pathetic attempt at a fig leaf. Meanwhile in /osrg/ people barely even acknowledge this thread exists.

>Your thread is left alone largely because we don't need to tell anyone that it's gotten demonstrably worse in the last year
See? Malding.

>The kind of muh bluh humongous quantities of seethe
LMAO but you're definitely not obsessed.

>>98456164
>You're in this thread, malding about /osrg/.
No one cares about /osrg/ now. The only reason anyone other than you is mentioning it at all is because they want you to go back to it.

You keep showing up in this thread, trying to tell people to ignore the OSR discussion that everyone can clearly see, and just trying to do your best to sabotage this thread like you think that another one and another one and another one won't be made. You've tried your flooding tactics before, and I don't think they've made your position any stronger, particularly because of how they revealed how neurotic you are and how desperate you are to try and convince this board that you speak for everyone that plays OSR games.

You can speak for what's left of the /osrg/ as much as you want. In the /osrg/. Go there and play with yourself, instead of demonstrating how mad this thread continues to make you.

>>98456164
>Meanwhile in /osrg/ people barely even acknowledge this thread exists.
LMAO
you can't come here every single thread and then go on pretending you "barely even acknowledge this thread exists"
Also I read the previous osrg a few times, boy couldn't it be farther from truth

>>98456290
>No one cares about /osrg/ now.
>wishful thinking repeated through tears

>>98456290
>No one cares about /osrg/ now
>t. Guy who cares super hard and keeps maintaining a whole stable of completely fake OSR alt-history that he made up

>the OSR discussion that everyone can clearly see
If it's so visible, can you point some of it out?

>trying to do your best to sabotage this thread
Lmao no, nobody needs to sabotage what's already broken. We just come here to laugh at you.

>You've tried your flooding tactics before
You mean when your fake /osrg/s (made due to not caring, no doubt) were comprehensively and totally shut down and you had to start making these pathetic /todd/s instead, with a title you stole from a different thread and your own troll OP seething about /osrg/ right in the OP text? Yeah, we definitely used those highly effective tactics back then.

> how desperate you are to try and convince this board that you speak for everyone that plays OSR games
You're the one trying to flood the board with a fake OSR history that you made up wholecloth, lmao
We can just point to clear, definitive offsite resources such as
>https://osrsimulacrum.blogspot.com/2021/02/a-historical-look-at-osr-part-i.html
>https://beyondfomalhaut.blogspot.com/2022/10/blog-osr-module-o5-2e-is-still-not-old.html

>boo hoo go awayyyyyy
Use your mod powers, why don't you. I'm sure if you seethe just a little harder, they'll sprout spontaneously from your myriad failed attempts to derail OSR discussion on /tg/, and we'll all stop laughing at you.

The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

>>98453843
The hacks have their niche. I like them because they're on the slim side so they show off what the designer thinks is essential.

why don't you idiots go fake discussion in the /osrg/ and let this general die. these generals are almost entirely OSR politics and without the osrg people they would probably die naturally like the nusr general did. why prop up this general if you don't like it so much?

>>98456450
>https://osrsimulacrum.blogspot.com/2021/02/a-historical-look-at-osr-part-i.html
>https://beyondfomalhaut.blogspot.com/2022/10/blog-osr-module-o5-2e-is-still-not-old.html

Who gives a fuck what two individual Faggots on the internet think? Who died and made them king dick & harry of tabletop roleplaying?

>>98456450
>and we'll all stop laughing at you.
You come here every day to seethe lmao.
Just existing makes you waste every day coming here to defend gygax's toilet reading list.

Also it's funny you're ready to blow the janitors provided you think they're on your side. In truth they don't care about you or me or any of this.

>>98456743
Quite simply: you should care more about the fact-based statements and histories of acknowledged OSR knowers than about the shit some autistic schizo makes up from thin air to win arguments on /tg/. You don't have to care very much about either of those posts or their writers but they're inarguably more accurate than Fishfag's crazed fake alt-history.

>>98456779
>Quite simply: you should care more about the fact-based statements and histories of acknowledged OSR knowers than about the shit some autistic schizo makes up from thin air to win arguments on /tg/.
Ironic.
You know it's hard to pick what would be better for the boards health more. going back to /osrg/ and talking about actual OSR more, or keep making these threads to demonstrate we don't bow to a schizo who seethes here daily.

You know what? Let's put it to a consensus, an actual consensus.
Open OSR, should we continue to be an independant body, up as a way to protest the forceful occupation of /osrg/, and the refusal of people to let us make a proper /osrg/ OP without trollcows personal, contested definition.

Or do we go back, continue to post and ignore what he says, and just keep doing that for the forseeable future?

>>98456799
>Or do we go back, continue to post and ignore what he says, and just keep doing that for the forseeable future?
this is always what should've been done. Making the /osrg/ obsolete would be a long term benefit.

>>98456290
>I have been exiled, making me the victor!

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>>98456743
The weird thing is that his first link agrees to includes 2e in the OSR.

He even talks about how K&K split off from Dragonsfoot and chose to exclude both 2e and BECMI/BX, making it clear that 2e was part of the OSR discussion on Dragonsfoot, and goes on to talk about how Dragonsfoot was the main seat of the OSR.

He even includes it in his definition of "Classic OSR" as part of TSR-D&D, and he even includes For Gold & Glory (the 2e clone) in his list of True Retroclones.
I think we can add that guy to yet another on the list of people who agree that 2e is OSR.

>>98456803
>this is always what should've been done.
The only issues with this is posts get spam deleted sometimes, and whenever anyone else tries to alter the OP they mass report it and it gets deleted, despite it not breaking any site rules.
Reminder to all anons, ALTERING A GENERALS OP IS NOT AGAINST SITE RULES (Unless it's to troll, which i very much DO NOT want to do.)
i just want to strip out the "Welcome to the OSR" blurb, because
>1. You don't need to be told what the OSR is, if you're on /tg/ and heading to the general, you likely are not a newbie
>2. It stops the local schizo from screaming MUH OFFTOPIC and forcing his views down everyones throats. He is NOT an authority nor does he represent us.
>3. it opens up actual discussion again, and might get some of the original anons who left to return, instead of the muh 9 years 1e cherrypicked "RAW" and ACKS circlejerk.

>>98456799
LOL. Ask the mods, bitch nigga

>>98456826
CALL THE MODS, FAGMO

>>98456799
I don't think it's time yet.
Ultimately, One OSR thread will be natural result of things, and hopefully that means the /osrg/ returns to its original broad definition, but that likely requires support and acknowledgement from the mods to prevent the trolls from shitting things up out of spite.

I think the current course of an Open OSR thread with the /osrg/ doing whatever it's doing will ultimately work out. Just continue to discuss OSR in the Open OSR thread and let nature take its course.

>>98456826
Sorry i should clarify my position. I want this thread to be a place to talk about osr games and not for protesting and arguing about the current /osrg/.

>>98456840
>I think the current course of an Open OSR thread with the /osrg/ doing whatever it's doing will ultimately work out. Just continue to discuss OSR in the Open OSR thread and let nature take its course.
i think honestly you could be right.
>but that likely requires support and acknowledgement from the mods to prevent the trolls from shitting things up out of spite.
That's a big problem, because they don't see the context of whenever someone tries to fix the OP. they just see a bunch of reports and the schizo screaming "muh HIJACK" (projection much?)
>>98456827
Maybe i will, you can act super cocky like that but if they agree with us then you're suddenly gonna change your tune.
>>98456852
The OP is the protesting part, the rest of the thread is just actual discussion, it's a callout, but the actual thread is about OSR.

>>98456852
I think that's what most people want, which is why the trolls have to work so hard to make themselves a nuisance here in order to distract people.

Ultimately, the best thing that could happen is for everyone to just grow up a little. The problem is that I don't see any way for the trolls to lose graciously, considering their personality, so it really comes down to figuring out how to continue on discussing OSR even as they get worse and worse.

>>98456816
Yo he went dead silent after you posted this.

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>>98456879
>The problem is that I don't see any way for the trolls to lose graciously, considering their personality,
Yeah, when the OP does revert to something more sensible, i guarantee there will be much screaming and seething. See the times when the schizo flooded generals and spammed weird, ai gayified versions of 2e monster art (pic related, what drives someone to do this?)

>>98456799
I have a few uncompromising principles.

I won't post in a thread that has a false definition of OSR. I got really tired of people in the /osrg/ telling each other something was wrong because it wasn't properly "gygaxian", with each of them making up their own autistically specific idea of what that meant. I'm open to people having different and even contradictory definitions of OSR, but nothing that says "My OSR is the only right way."

I won't do anything underhanded. Not much point in cheating to get your way if time will eventually undo it.

Any plan that allows me to retain these principles is the one I will support.

>>98456799
>so desperate you call for a raid
lmao

>>98456799
>we
lmao

>>98456879
They saw the context and directly told you to fuck off.
This is how insane you are.
You got a hand written note you refuse to read.
That you went to go get.
You're so fucked in the head its a spectacle.

>>98456852
Then post about your games you idiot.
There isn't a secret formula to making the OP or twisting site rules or whatever. All you have to do to "win" is actually post about your games and make things for that.
Simple right?

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>troll schizo's thread devolves into samefagging plans for trolling /osrg/

>>98456852
>I want this thread to be a place to talk about osr games and not for protesting and arguing about the current /osrg/.
Probably shouldn't try to make that out of a troll thread created entirely to cry-scream about how he lost his one-man battle to slide /osrg/. Try >>98425397 instead is my advice.

Remember this faggot is absolutely obsessed. He tried to convert /todd/ into an /osrg/ raid and screamed and cried when /todd/ wouldn't play along, he tried to convert /2eg/ into a raid and trolled their thread into the ground when they wouldn't schizo along with him, and now he's duping the Open OSR thread to try to use it to create a private army to raid /osrg/ with, just like he tried to hijack /osrg/ itself initially. He's legitimately massively mentally ill.

>>98457108
>he still thinks it's only one anon

>>98457128
Says the extremely highly clustered posting issuing the same blank rejections over and over and over while absolutely never engaging with any evidence to the contrary to a spread of hours that fetches exact-post archive links.

>>98457159
>it's only one anon
NAYRT but that's right! You're only one anon.
Well, not very anonymous, I guess, Fishfag.

>issuing the same blank rejections
WHy would we bother engaging with your shit, Fishfag? We've explained to you dozens of times in detail how and why you're wrong and you just don't care and invent an even more schizo headcanon. Discussion is a waste of time. It's much more sensible to just make fun of you and tell you to kill yourself.

>>98457172
>Discussion is a waste of time.
NTA, but do you think that because >>98456816
fucks your asshole raw and there's no way for you to discuss around that?

>>98453870
>even the "TSR era" OPs virtually all had "first decade" in them
I was curious and looked on 4plebs and I can tell you and everyone your comment is misleading because "first decade" is a much later addition not arriving till 2019 while tsr era appeared in 2015.

2018
"tsr era", 100 times
"first decade", 0 times
Not one single opening post in 2018 in all of /tg/ has that so I didn't even have to search for a post with both. In fact, the only time "first decade" appears in any post since the first osr general appear in 2014 until March 2019 was in a 40K post from 2015.

2019
"tsr era", 83 times
"first decade", 27 times
"tsr era" and "first decade", 0
No overlap.

It's only in 2020 that overlap starts. That's around 5 years of them not occurring together.
2020
"tsr era", 151 times
"first decade", 195 times
"tsr era" and "first decade", 108

>>98456743
>https://beyondfomalhaut.blogspot.com/2022/10/blog-osr-module-o5-2e-is-still-not-old.html
my favorite part about the osrgtards pointing to this literally who magyar
who most certainly doesn't have first hand old-school D&D experience because is a magyar lol
is that it basically states that compatible rules don't make it OSR, you need the OSR vibe
Yes osrg-tards are appealing to a blogpost "OSR is a vibe"

>>98456816
>The weird thing is that his first link agrees to includes 2e in the OSR.
LMAO osrg-tards don't even read the blogs they say they read

>>98457674
"First decade, gygaxian" Is entirely a made up thing by the schizo. he quadruples down and ignores any evidence against him, he entirely operates off of
>"If i lie hard enough for long enough, people will believe it's real" logic.
This turns into some serious schizo circular rambling though.

>>98456840
>original broad definition
The original definition was not broad and did not include 2e. Repeating a lie doesn't make it true. Don't forget we have you on record admitting to a mod that you just say this shit because you want to force 2e into the thread since nobody will talk about it otherwise.

>>98457674
>discovers that for a long time /osrg/ OPs didn't even mention TSR and just said first decade D&D
>thinks this is somehow a slam dunk in favor of his 2e entryism horseshit
jej

>>98458822
>The original definition was not broad and did not include 2e.
Not according to... anyone, really.

I think your mental issue is that towards the end of 2e, the game had already begun to transition into having traits akin to 3e, since the evolution of D&D was a gradual process.

It is the dinosaur with wings.
Still not a bird, still a dinosaur, but some people who don't know any better might try to call it a bird.

>>98459056
Incorrect. The original 2e books are already shit and have dismantled the real game, as the rot set in in the late 1e era. The rule-of-thumb OSR cutoff is the release of DL1 in 1984.

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>>98458091
>>98458094
>Another one of his "sources" has betrayed him.

I'm almost feeling bad for the guy.

>>98459094
That's interesting that you say that, but how do you explain >>98456816

>>98456879
>but if they agree with us
they explicitly do not agree with you, retard
>because they don't see the context of whenever someone tries to fix the OP
SO CALL THE COPS AGAIN, BITCH NIGGA

>>98459139
That's nice and all, but >>98459134

>>98459139
Cool story, what about >>98459134

>>98456933
>posts gay monster
>"why would someone post gay monsters??!!"
idk, ask yourself, faglord
>>98456879
>bro the mods agree with me bro, theyre on my side bro, they just dont understand, bro!!!
LMAO

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>>98457298
>or explanation for my disparate-(You) screencaps
you do realize that (You)s can be instantly faked with one click? Picrel, bozo

>>98459167
>>98459149
Broken bot? I dont give a single fuck what randoms, and off-site blogposts have to say.

The mods have explicitly told you to fuck off,
so fuck off, fishfag

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LGBTxOSR thread?

>>98459198
>Broken bot? I dont give a single fuck what randoms, and off-site blogposts have to say.

That's weird. You called it a "clear, definitive offsite resources" before. >>98456450

>>98459240
>You
No idea who you think I am, but that's not my post.
I'll repeat: " I dont give a single fuck what randoms, and off-site blogposts have to say.

The mods have explicitly told you to fuck off,
so fuck off, fishfag"

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>>98459240
>schizo chatbot has to reply twice to the same post, with a near identical reply
>still won't just call the mods instead af actively trolling and shitting his own pants
nice

>what if you just talked about your game
>110% does the opposite
They don't have one at all do they?

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>>98459285
>expecting no consequences to your actions
why dont you just fuck off?
>>98459234
yes

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>>98459251
>>98459269
I was wondering how you'd try to worm your way past it, and I have to say, just plain tears-in-your-eyes denial was not what I was expecting, but in hindsight should have been expected.

I guess we're looking at yet another Matt Finch situation, where when you thought he agreed with you, he was the guy who made the first OSR game, but when it turns out he disagreed with you, you never respected him and had no right to say what he thought about the OSR.

Your list of allies grows thin.

>>98459298
>THERE WILL BE CONSEQUENCES!!!!
lmao even
You've never played a game in your life and its so telling its hilarious.

>>98459314
you have literal schizophrenic delusions.
just fuck back off to reddit or kill yourself already, JFC
>>98459328
>constantly complains about other posters
>doesnt realize they would go away if he did
Does understanding cause-and-effect escape you?

also:
>he doesnt know that he can reply to more than one post at once

>>98456933
>See the times when the schizo flooded generals and spammed weird, ai gayified versions of 2e monster ar
>see the time I did this and lie through my teeth about it
>starts spamming the images
like a glove. .

>>98459349
fishfag thinks the mods can't see poster IDs kek

>>98459341
I've not posted in this general several iterations over. You're still here shitting and pissing yourself. Everyone else just dabs on you and you can't tell them apart.

>>98459341
>you have literal schizophrenic delusions.
No, I'm just looking at >>98456450 trying to use a source to claim 2e is not OSR...

...only for that source to confirm that it is OSR. >>98456816

That's pretty embarrassing. Can you agree that >>98456450 is an embarrassing post? He didn't even just post it in an offhand way, he went ahead and described it as a "clear, definitive offsite resource."

Best part is how he finishes off his embarrassing post.

>>98459355
Yes, and I'll still be here long after you leave.
>everyone dabs on you
Not the mods. Try asking them on IRC their thoughts on the matter :)
>>98459389
>embarrassing
>embarrassing
>embarrassing
great, fishfag has a new fixation word

>>98459402
So, we agree that >>98456450 is embarrassing?
It gets even better when you realize this is not the first time he's used that source in his arguments.

>>98459413
Please stop trying to use me to justify your delusional psychotic episode

>>98459421
...Going straight for just pure, shameless gaslighting after being cornered with no way out?

That's pretty embarrassing for you.

>>98459432
>You arent enabling my mental breakdown? Thats like super embarrassing
your new fixation with "embarrassing" is fascinating

>>98459446
It's not really up to me what gets under your skin.
Though, it's pretty embarrassing that you think focusing on the word embarrassing will work as a distraction from the rest of this post. >>98459389

>>98459465
>embarrassing
>embarrassing
>embarrassing
the bot is broken again

repeat: "I dont give a single fuck what randoms, and off-site blogposts have to say.

The mods have explicitly told you to fuck off,
so fuck off, fishfag"

>>98459475
We're still waiting for you to respond to >>98459389

>>98459491
>I'm still waiting for you to enable my psychotic delusional episode
How embarrassing

Why don't you just ask the mods for their opinion on the matter?

>>98459491
Im still waiting for you to answer >>98459187 first

>>98459446
Being a narcissistic he latches on to any word he thinks upsets the people he hates.
Being a complete fucking autist he's incapable of recognizing the difference between "Fuck off retard (upset)" and "Fuck off retard (irritated)"

>>98459753
>Er, but aren't you embarrassed? Aren't I completely under your skin? Don't you get tired of gaslighting? How embarrassing.

>>98459784
Don't forget Power Word: Meltdown, his favourite spell.

>>98459806
Id love to slap his chinbone with my brass knuckles

>>98459753
>>98459784
The funny part is you think having one of your tantrums can distract from >>9845938 instead of making its impact that much more evident.

Do you really not understand that everything you say has people interpreting it as the opposite? Every time you say "I'm not mad" in increasing frustration, it makes things worse for you?

>>9841583
>From what I know of the Trollbloods fluff, they're just fighting because people were dicks to them and wouldn't leave them alone, i.e. invading them for no real reason and all that. So, more or less Troll Scots with guns and explosives and stuff.
>Then again, new to the game, so could be wrong.
Very interesting, but what the actual fuck are you retard babbling about posting to a post from 2010, you argument for post-birth abortions?

Did you just use your janny powers to try and hide your embarrassment? That's not a good use of janny powers.

>>98459817
>yap yap yap
literal schizo delusional nonsense
fuck off, fishfag
>>98459806
he tried "tantrum" this time lmao

>>98459829
are you experiencing an actual mental health crisis? wtf lmao

>>98459837
Oh no, it's just some weird post glitch. Shaved off the last number for some reason, so I thought the post got deleted but it was just directing to a much older post.

Here's the post you're really embarrassed about. >>98459389

>>98459853
Who cares? thats not my post and idgaf about it.
Im still waiting for you to answer >>98459187 tho
>some weird glitch
>le computer's fault!
cant even admit you just fucked up the post? amazin'

>>98459881
>Who cares?
You seem to, to the tune of a dozen posts now.

>>98459888
buddy, I havent posted about that at all. You seem obsessed with that post.

So now answer the question already: >>98459187

>>98459888
I don't give a fuck what you think about it you little pussified bitch. You can scream about how boring it is all you want, it doesn't matter to me one little bit. If I cared about not being bored then I'm getting endless entertainment by watching you squirm in the palm of my hand like the wretched little insect you are.

>>98459906
lmao

>>98459881
>cant admit he fucked up his post
>cant answer the (You)s question
lmao
>>98459906
lolwut why are you replying as me

>>98459911
>>98459906
>exactly one minute apart
nice try, fish

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>>98459881
>Who cares? thats not my post and idgaf about it.
The thing you have to understand about Fishfag is whenever he's being unrelentingly bullied for being an obnoxious retard, he'll retreat into a fantasy world of pure delusions where he's not the worlds brownest and most autistic Deep One.
In this world all posts that point out his failings as both man and fish are secretly created by a single person who is really, really mad about him being right about everything 5eva and therefore it's not many people pointing towards one of his gibberingmouthingoff style posts, it's a single guy samefagging a bunch.
So clearly whatever was said has to be right because it pissed off his nefarious arch-nemesis.
This is a far simpler answer, in his mind, than a bunch of anons looking at him with his pants down around his ankles, beating himself off on the street corner while screaming about how the the ACKS gangster communist computer god is after him and all asking "What the actual fuck are you on about man?"

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>>98459920
It's the opening line to the infamous meltdown post that ACKShill made in the /3eg/ after they bullied him for trying to shill ACKS there during its last kickstarter.
It's so embarrassing for the ACKShill, that he's begun to claim that he wasn't the one who wrote it and that it was a falseflag.

You have an odd way of trying to deny you care about something but then making it clear you care way too much.

>>98459853
>blames the jannies and his computer instead of admitting he just cant type properly
lmao woza
>>98459960
>deny you care
I havent posted at all about what youre obsessed over. You keep posting about it, not me.
Im the one asking you to finally answer: >>98459187 (Me)

>>98459960
It's aging like wine.

>>98459960
>if I post this retarded copy pasta I wrote, the ACKS players will all explode!
do you think that its the tiannamen square pasta o algo?

>So clearly whatever was said has to be right because it pissed off his nefarious arch-nemesis.
>He immediately follows it with a post about ACKshill despite no one having mentioned ACKS in the entire thread
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsiQGOuzWn4

>>98459960
who the fuck even mentioned ACKS you fuckin spazzoid?

>>98459983
No one else calls everyone fishfag.

>>98459994
>no one:
>no one at all:
>absolutely nobody:
>(You): ACKS! ACKSHILL!!

take some fuckin meds, spas

>>98459994
ACKS shill prefers to be called trollcow now. More encompassing.

>>98460045
what an embarrassing post

>local schizo thinks that the janny and even his computer are conspiring against him
lmao

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>>98459968
>Im the one asking you to finally answer: >>98459187
That post doesn't actually have a coherent question to answer, retard, let alone directed at the right anon.

Also, you missed the qualifier about remaining falsifiable. Immediately referring to non-standard interfaces trivializing the fabrication of evidence is... Very much not. Behold the extent of my drop-down options anyways. I'm getting these by shift+windows+S copying the reply into the clipboard then pasting in fucking Paint with the reply number manually typed in for the file name.

>>98456816
>>98458094
>>98459130
>>98459134
>link has been posted for literal years
>this is the first time the bitch nigga has even read enough of it to find a part he thought he could twist to say that 2e is OSR
lmao that's pathetic, effectively admitting that this whole time when you were crying about those blog posts you were refusing to even read them first
kekkkkk

anyway, here's just one example of the blog poster being clear that 2e is not OSR:
>While TSR moved away from its original vision for Dungeons & Dragons (as explored in parts I, II, and III), not everyone moved along with it. A minority refused—whether due to their love of that older style of play and/or dislike of what replaced it, or simply their reactionary natures—to adopt the new style. They merrily continued along year after year with their dungeoneering and sandbox play, even as 2nd edition took over and the very concept of the dungeoncrawl became an oddity in D&D, still using those "rules you never used anyway". These people became the old-school playerbase.
that's literally just the first one I happened to come across, mind you

>>98459234
>LGBTxOSR thread?
That's what makes it "open" BABAYYYYYYY!!!
Can't call it "Gaping Asshole OSR General" on a blue board *wonk*

>>98459285
>expecting Fishfag, known nogames schizo, to post about his game
ISHYGDDT, if you want to talk about games go to /osrg/