animated gif editionPrevious thread >>98408782>HH 3.0 - Complete gofile - All Books:https://gofile.io/d/cnJk0N>Titanicus Compendiumshttps://gofile.io/d/1accdP>New Edition, to a great wailing and gnashing of teeth:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/setting/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/>Thread FAQ (very old, remembers Age of Terra)https://pastebin.com/iUqNrrA8https://pastebin.com/8riDmnhS>30k TACTICA & TIPShttps://pastebin.com/Tm2P4QLphttps://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Age_of_Darkness-Warhammer_30k/3.0_Tactics/General_Tactics『Adeptus Titanicus and Legions Imperialis』>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloadshttps://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/legions-imperialis/>List of Titan Legions with Badges and Colourshttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17Jccq0V--SwJifLVLwbisYnQeqLlS2pMSiPbGXp1Brs/htmlview>More listshttps://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/List_of_Titan_Legions>What size magnets do I need?5x1mm>Tacticshttps://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Adeptus_Titanicus/Tactics>Legions Imperialis Army Builderhttps://legionbuilder.app/>TQ No question, just post whatever WIP is on your desk right now.
You beat my thread by 40 seconds so i guess we use this one>TQNothing heresy related right now I'm working on nids so I can try out the new slop edition
>>98427886Getting back to work on these today. Curious though, how many damned Night Lords players are in here?
>>98427886>No question, just post whatever WIP is on your desk right now.Still these lads. Although I may bite the bullet on a MOD soon.
>>98427886Vexilla dude from a 20 man despoiler squad I'm so close to finishing. Varnish and oils next, then transfers, bronze & verdigris, blood, dust pigments & basing.
>>98427886Having seen so many plastic leviathans with giant seams in the front armour has rage baited me into buying one. Finally started painting it, in preparation for showing local whiny bitches that leviathans are perfectly viable.
>>98427886Working on my feudal world militia, squad by squad. The idea to be but a man in a galaxy of gene-bred warriors and demigods, appeals to me.
Why are the new plastic plasmaguns so thin?
>>98428387>AP 4
>>98427886Taking stock, mostly.
>>98427905
Does anyone have a size comparison between the old terminator axes and the new ones?
>>98428544I just realized something....Now, im not a HUGE gun fag, so maybe im wrong about this, but doesnt there need to be a breach for the shotgun shells to exit from after you fire it? I dont see it on my guys gun here....
Why is GW so allergic to right handed pistols? At least give me 50/50 leftys and rightys
>>98428614Solar Aux command has plenty
>>98428614Spite
>>98428549I think the new cataphractii can be saved by just giving them the old helmets. Tiny powerfists still look dumb though.
>>98428672You're only pretending to be retarded, right?
>>98427886any convincing arguments for getting mkvi as an iron warriors player? i can get around 30 on sprue for below the price of a regular 20 man box
>>98428544Very cool.
>>98428800Every legion had and used every armor mark in some capacity. And in the fires of war you cant be choosy.
>>98428734No? They are 90% the same, just with a neck. You give them the old helmets and powerfists and they'd look perfect.
>>98428800>IW were the first legion to receive Mk VI for battlefield testing, alongside Salamanders>Even though they generally didn't like using it, there was little choice once the attrition of the HH hitWould have also included the well known old artwork of some IW in mk 6 wielding heavy weapons, but my internet-searching skills are failing me.
>>98427886nothing important atm. i pulled the plug on a warlord titan so this will probably keep me occupied for a month
>>98428800>any convincing arguments for getting mkvi as an iron warriors player?
>>98427990>Bodt
>>98427886Finishing metallics on Despoilers, one of my least favorite parts but at least it means I’m almost done. Just need to do real details/eyes and faces, holsters and nades, cleanup then wash. Might do a basing batch after this? I hate it so I do it when I can get 30+ done in a go>>98428614Fucking bane of my hobby existence is the lack of different gun/sword hands from GW. Old Chaos Marines had right guns, like midhammer era I wanna say? 4th-6th. Had some leftover myself. Modern ones do too, long with prim*ris but they both require more work to fit the setting than sanding off a couple spikes here and there like the old ones. I really need a printing friend, goddamn
>>98428614>>98429323Theres a guy called "march of war" who makes AWESOME looking pistols (in both right AND lefty config, bolt/melty/flame/volk/grav and even some that look like dirty harry revolvers) as well as a ton of other awesome as FUCK bits, but his shipping costs are fucking ridiculous. Hes from the UK and it add like another $50 to an order just to get his shit. If it wasnt so expensive id outfit my entire legion with his shit. He even does shoulder logos for each legion and a TON of random chapters as well as squad markings and stuff, but his prices....ugh.
>>98429323Which chapter/legion are they? BAs? If so, I like the black/red quartering youve done on them, what does that denote? Just that they are despoilers?
Veterans with heavy chainswords or charnabal sabres?
>>98427886>>98428424There we go. Been a minute but getting on with some vets, but I need my combi weapon kit to complete them. Turns out I have plenty of mkiv and III guys left I can do lots.
>>98429153idk, dude. them beaks don't look too intimidating.
>>98429400Heavy chain swords
>>98429400Heavy chainswords
>>98427886>wipconverting Abaddon into an artificer warsmith and some old catas into siege termies. the former is my first major conversion and not everything’s going to turn out perfect, but i’m having fun with the task.
>>98429622>artificer warsmith >literally almost twice the size of a terminator
>>98429622>Primarch size model>itS My wARsMitH
>>98429622Hed work as a saturnine praetor, but AA? idk
>>98427886Fucked up the drybrushing, need to fix the trim on the shitty Chinese shield, then hitting with streaking grime and cleaning. Really like the storm grey look they have, could tolerate painting 40 of these.
>>98429995Why does this look like some joy toy scale model
>>98430003probably the chestplate and helmet from RedWarden. Ended up with a box of numark3 and really disliked them, so tried to fix. May slap a shield and axe on the unmodified mark3. Also have a box of mark2.
>>98429622>It's just a fucking 40k modelKEK
>>98429851Imagine...
>>98430552Imagine my foot up your ass
>>98429622But why?
What in the cold hell are these kind of wolf shoulders actually called? Banded? Been trying to find 3rd party versions for a bit of variety before going to recasters. Speaking of, the site I grabbed this image off of is one I’ve never used before. Anyone here got experience with darkminiatures.com? They seem to have a good bit selection, but I’ve had issues with old shoulder recasts.
>>98430825Forgot pic. Fucking idiot that I am.
>>98430825Dark minis is legit. I bought some stuff from them and it was all good enough quality.
>>98430735
Has anyone tried converting gambits for 40k armies? The duels are my favorite part of this game and the way 11th's going I really don't want to touch modern 40k.
>TQmy desk is a mess
>>98428577could be caseless ammo, wouldnt be the most ridiculous thing for 40k
>>98430843Good to hear. I’ll give them a go
>>98431028true, didnt think of that. wish there was accessories to go with the shotters, like little clips of shell and such to glue on my guys, some ammo bandoliers across the chest for that classic look...
genuine question:couldn't stimms similar to what the goliath use, be used for inductii?I know the inductii process varies by legion, but I don't really see the need to have basically most of the marine organs for inductii, you just need a soldier who can roughly fit what a marine is and you need them quickly, and goliath stimms seem like a good candidate to do that and my followup question which I am being sincere and not baiting, couldnt you do the same process on women?
>>98431117>couldnt you do the same process on women?Only men shall receive the seed.
>>98431164thats my pointyou don't really need geneseed for inductii right?
>Lion El'jonson >Ferrus Manus>Rogal Dorn>Roboute Guilliman >Lupercal Horus>Perturabo Between these 6, who is the best strategist. The lore isn't very clear on is the best. At first I thought it was the Lion because he conquered the most planets and apparently had the most dangerous legion. But then I saw all the wanking Dorn got when he basically held back the traitor legions solo for years. Then I saw in some other books that Manus was apparently this god tier strategist, and the traitors and loyalists on both sides bemoan that he's not alive and fighting for them because he would make it so much easier for them to win the war.Then you have Horus who orchestrated the Horus Hersey, was the warmaster before that, and apparently played one of the biggest roles during the great crusade.Then you have Guilliman oman who is apparently god tier at logistics and planning to the point where he could win versus the word bearers even after they slaughtered half of his army in a surprise attack.Then you have Perturabo who was apparently the tactical mastermind behind the horus hersey and the siege of terra that crippled the Emperor. You also have the Iron Cage where he BTFO Dorn, which is HUGE considering that Dorn's tactical feats during the Horus Hersey.tl;dr: who is the best tactician. the books are inconsistent as fuck on who the best is
>>98431117first question: you get broken helix blackshieldssecond question: if they're deliberately keyed to require Y chromosomes as a safeguard against self-replication (breeding), which seems very likely, then no, you can'torgan rejection is a huge deal and these surgeries are not minor; they already have a fairly high rejection rate which leads inevitably to the death or disabling of aspirantswith modern transplants we generally use drugs that suppress the immune response to prevent rejection, but obviously that's not an option for space marines because they're going to have to go outside and orks don't wear masks, so there's either some rewriting of the aspirant's own DNA to prevent rejection, or they have to have specific combinations of genes similar enough to those used in the creation of the organs themselves to prevent rejectionsince only the Selenites and the Emperor and a few obsessive and generally secretive individuals seem to really fully understand how geneseed works, rewriting the organ DNA to fit broader recipients is not an option
>>98431215Nome of them, primarchs are retarded and the myths of their battlefield genius are just that, myths. They treat basic concepts like "combined arms warfare" and "flanking maneuvers" as some advanced tactical a legion can specialize in. Even GW started playing into it, in the scouring book Perturabo calls all the primarchs purposefully flawed like greek tragedies.
>>98431215None of them are good strategists because BL doesn't understand and can't write good strategy. They can yammer about how clever and super tactical and strategic characters are but can't back it up.
>>98427886Just finished these 5 bastards, still have another 5 to go and a warmonger to join them.
>>98431660Hawt.What do you use for your blue?
>>98431721thanks anon, its ultramarines blue over preshade, then vallejo model colour blue highlight, and scale colour caribbean blue top highlight
After 5 months of pause I jave finally been able to play a game. DA and NL fought around an objective that was scattering after scoring. Fun mission from Siege of Cthonia. NL won 10:1.
The objective was a pulpiz on tracks with a holy tome.
>>98431841>MkI predator doing his part
I got two boxes of mk2 tacticals and they got some nasty damage, is that common with that kit? The little rivets seem very susceptible to damage
>>98431989Yeah, unfortunately now that GW is opting for smaller, more delicate details there's been a lot of squishing and smooshing of rivets, noses on faces, etc.
>>98428800and just out of curiosity, could you replace the beak heads with helmets from the 40k upgrade kit or is that a bit into non-kosher territory?
>>98431893Yes :) I bought it on ebay, it's from one of the first runs from 1989. Goot old boi :D
>>98428800Why not? Just say they're newfags that got the "inferior" armor dumped on themOr they looted the RG armory after Dropsite Massacre
>>98432026the unhelmeted heads look kinda goofy, but the helmets all seem kosher for 30k. I almost gotta wonder if that's what they were originally designed for
Do you retards really struggle using certain marks for your army?
>>98432026Those heads aren't MkVI though.GW sells MKVI Iron Warriors heads.
>>98432093the "MKVI" iron warriors heads aren't really MkVI either. it's fine though, iron warriors are notorious armor mark mixers
What's the appeal of the Raven Guard?
>>98432142sneaky beakies
Stuck trying to decide what legion I want to go with at the moment between IH, DG and TS and their respective SA allies. I like them all aesthetically and fluff wise, and from some of the rules I've glanced I like the things that set them apart. I do have some specific units I'd like to include, so should I choose based on which faction synergises with those units best?I'm really drawn to the idea of running Inductii, Saturnine Terminators and the Leman Russes and Walkers the SA have.
>>98432142shotguns and screamo music
>>98432075my thoughts exactly, the bare heads look too derpy. >>98432093I know, but I can get the upgrade kit from my local store for cheaper than paying tribute to Gwendoline and I would rather get plastic than resin it I can.
>>98431117They really couldnt resist adding foids to the mans man faction huh. >>98432026arent 40k helmets bigger? >>98432142Mexicans find them cool. >>98432271Made for interracial.
>>98432358>arent 40k helmets bigger?yeah, a bit
>>98429376Thanks for the tip
>>98432271DG or TS would probably work best for those units. If you want to lean evenly into the SA allies, DG are probably the way to go, whereas if you're gonna predominantly focus on the marine half then go with TS.
>>98432358didnt goliath always have women, just no models?
>>98428614No no, can't give you those. Why, you might do something rash and deprive the shareholders of a tiny, miniscule, atomic fraction of potential revenue by...*converting*(ugh, disgusting, I almost threw up just typing the word) some characters or Despoilers before GW have had a chance to release their Official(tm) Kit(tm) with the appropriate arbitrary specialist unit markup!
>>98432493*Destroyers.Fucking hell I can't be getting dementia this early surely.
>>98432470Yeah but you USED to be able to handwave that with the perfectly reasonable>the ubermasculine faction leave their women where they belong - in the kitchen making them sammitchesand people would have a good larf at the obvious joke and get on with the game. Now that would be PERPETUATING CISHETERONORMATIVE PATRIARCHO-MISOGYPHOBIC OPPRESSION or whatever so the GRR MEN faction has to be gender balanced(but of course the RAWR GRRLPOWER faction gets to stay all female).
>>98432499>but of course the RAWR GRRLPOWER faction gets to stay all femalethats because of a lore reason
>>98432078There's even some people who have been mind-broken by corporate to such an extend they think each type of power armour is only and exclusively compatible with the bolters that come in the box
New bread so I'm trying again. Does any kind anon have a pdf of the newest zone mortalis journal? It was 6 threads back and I missed it
>>98432679Guess I'm feeling generous today. Don't be slacking this time.gofile.io/d/Hvbu9x
>>98429424they just need a pointy top so they look more like hounskulls. hounskulls are awesome
>>98430852mamabliss in the /hhg/...
>>98432499the eschers should have men, why not? if howling banshees have had them since they were created then there's no reason for all woman factionsalso i really don't think the eschers are meant to be 'girl power', they're more like a femdom fantasy
>>98432771Because House Escher got infected with something nasty in M39, and after that only 10% of male children die within two years after being born. And the ones that do live are even weaker and more pathetic than women too iirc.
>>98432781So just import men. It's a gang, not a species. Big, strong, fighting age sub-Saharan African men to fix the birth rates and save Escherope.
>>98431660which brass color are you using?
>>98432781Yeah, but they can include them still if they want. Make them have some bullshit. Another femdom-esque faction by GW (daughters of khaine) has a bunch of lore about how Morathi deliberately afflicted men with a curse to drain their strength, but some will be born with magical capabilities and then get used as suicide troops. They could do the same for Escher. I never considered it before, but also wouldn't there be some big problems with having a noble house where men are all born as some bullshit? That's not gonna be great for marrying
>>98432795Anon, the women of house escher carry the infection as well, they're just not affected by it. Doesn't matter how many black bulls they import, all baby boys still either die or grow up as a vegetable.
>>98432795So they can make them retarded and weak too through the infection and not accomplish anything?
>>98432728Thank you kind anon!
>>98432801Wheelchair bound crippled retards will never be a combat asset anon, no matter how much you got brainwashed by twitter.
>>98432813>Wheelchair bound crippled retards will never be a combat asset
>>98432822They put the men of the faction into the BDSM robot.
>>98432822Now guess what kind of people don't get turned into a combat servitor. Dumb ass.
>>98432803You do know you can become a gang member by joining one, rather than being born into one, right? Just kidnap babies and recruit men and women who aren't infected, and fix the problem.>>98432808How does the infection work and why hasn't it turned everyone else as well?
>>98432813
>>98432859no one wants to admit it but gw just didn't think about it
Terminal Overkill has an example of a normal male escher. They're vanishingly rare, and because escher culture assumes everyone os female it has no masculine norms at all, so they are just raised as if they are girls.
>>98432866What are you trying to prove exactly by posting a space marine with lots of bionics?
>>98432874but all escher have a genetic flaw from all the drug use that every male is born a retard
>>98432899>all escher have a genetic flaw from all the drug use that nearly every male is born a retardFtfy
>>98432908black library isnt canon
>>98432919Sir this is the horus heresy general.
>>98432932I said "black library" not "the black books"black books are the only canon HH has, black library is published fanfiction
>>98432932That's why he's right.
>>98432919They hate youThey'll gnash their teeth at youThey'll call you retardedA secondaryA waste of spaceBut they will never call you wrong
>>98432932
>>98432941Well okay then.
>>98427886felt out the first of these foul fucks
>>98432271Ok coomer.
>>98432358The 40k helmets are normal, the nu heads are smaller, you must be brown.
>>98432932Go back.
>>98432795They do...it's called a hangers on, or a mercenary
Getting your items organized is helpful, especially if you're a loon like me and you're quite scatterbrained. Highly recommended.
>>98432799i shamelessly stole cult of paints recipe from the WE video for this one, scale75 decayed metal with a highlight of runelord brass
>>98432881what do you think constitutes a prosthetic anon
>>98432866Is...is...that nigga using a baton with a chainblade hand guard as an attachment....?Fucking hell I love that. Makes me wonder why there arent "chain-brass knuckles", would be a MUCH better version of a chainfist, way more usable in my opinion.
>>98433044HEY! Its Pvt. Primarishit Pup-chao!I thought you said once you added the basing material you wouldnt be able to see where the puppy chewed up his foot? Pvt Pup-chao will surely be going places in the future.
>pass through local hobby store on the way home>see a lone Contemptor as the sole HH kit amid shitloads of AoS and 40kDon't try to guilt me you little shit
>>98433771who will give him a home if not you?
>>98433771What legion you chose for him?
>>98429376I hear ya. All the good bitz sites seem to be UK. Makes sense, but as I’m almost as far away in Canada as possible between the price/exchange rate + shipping make the cost gross barring making a monstrous order.>>98429388Yup, BA, good eye. They’re The Court Jesters successor chapter in 40k and in HH the combined 55th/277th company forces. “Blackshields” in that they got lost to Terra but BA in rules, units and heraldry. It’s a burnt-orange-red and gray quartering. The black arms are from using the chaos marine righthand bolt pistols I had, glued em on before repainting so I just did everyone’s arms black. So yes we’ll say it’s cause they’re Despoilers and they’re “the Black hands of ruin” or some shit. Hadn’t made a reason till now, so thanks for puttin me on the spot
>>98433771Purchase the dreadnought
>>98431215Best strategist =/= best tactician. There's overlap but those are different categories, roughly separated by timeframe, scale, how abstract the goals are and how concrete the methods are. In space magic primach land >Lion, 2nd best strat, 2nd best tactical, mid leader, so autistic he got conned by pert pinky swearing >Ferrus, upper mid strat and tac but unable to keep his head screwed on and has limmited perspective. Both sides wanted him because he was strong and doesn't afraid of anything. >Dorn, 1st defensive strat and tac, worse at the other stuff>Rob, 1st strat, mid tactical, autistic enough to learn how to fake it >horus, high tactical, upper mid strat, however, best Leader which is more important if the mode of warfare is basically the iliad and he has to convince all the divas to get their shit together>Pert, 1st siege strat and tac, mid to worst depending on how much of a meltdown they were having that day
>>98433286I've been wanting to organise some stuff for a while. What are these and how much do they cost?
>>98433859Assuming another place I'm looking at doesn't move their Maximus boxes for any cheaper, maybe for a Red Scorpions project.
>>98431215It would be a tie between Horus, Roboute, and Lion. Each for different reasonsOf the three Lion would be the better of the battlefield stratagy as it was from the dangles that most other legions were derived and then perfected from. Lion has the benifit of being a jack of all trades making him highly flexable.In terms of tactician, roboute would win out because he artistically plans every actions and possible reaction like 10 steps ahead. Horus though would probably win out between the three because he has the best of both, jack of all trades is better then a master of one.
>>98431215The best strategist? Horus or Rowboat. The best tactician? Probably the lion or Horus. Strategy, the macro scale of warfare, requires vision. Its why Horus was made the warmaster. The lion is "on paper" really really good at things, but hes rigid, inflexible, close minded. Give him a problem and hell solve it, but he wouldnt be able to "see WHAT the problem is" the best.
Really struggling with my first kitbashing attemptNothing is really coming together organicallyI struggle to cut the parts into shapes, even a straight line seems impossibleI destroy more than I create
>>98434456what are you trying to make
>>98434100the best at strategy was horus, by far.none of the other primarchs who matched him at tactics had any kind of people skill
>>98434456might consider getting a miter box and a razor saw for straight cuts
>>98434836dope, backpack banners need to come back
>>98434845Good news anon, they are! Centurions can now take a vexilla for 10 points.
>>98434845I dislike all the nuMarks, but for some reason the new MkIV just clicks with me, despite the lack of bonding studs.
>>98434953Probably because it got its design fucked with the least. The back packs are vomit inducing though, those merged lower vents just ain't right.
>>98434973That and the mkIV betrayal at calth release was the biggest downgrade of all the FW to plastic remakes, so it had the most room to improve with the second launch.
>>98434995hell nah what the fuck was fw thinking giving marines bird legsthe proportions were shit and even if a fair bit of flavor was lost the proportions work now
>>98433088Hanger-ons and mercs aren't gang members, just outside help.
>>98434845Yeah, makes me wish I had bought as many plastic and metal back banner bits as I could back in the day. I paid like $25 for that metal banner along with three others....I need to find a good source of cast/printed ones where they can be purchased in BULK, like packs of 10-15+ of them for cheap. I LOVE making special snowflake guys with personal heraldry!
>>98435019TRUE "eye of horus" REPRESENT!
>>98435019Yeh I like the new ones a lot, best of both worlds kinda vibe. The betrayal at calth minis were all kinda bad. The mkIV just were kinda fat and bloated looking, the FW releases were all more truescale than their plastic counterparts which I preferred.
>>98435126i was so much younger when BaC released i wish i could go back there.i'll forever have these rose tinted glasses about my early heresy days
>>98435233What do you mean so much younger? Battle at Calth was just a couple of ye-...AAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
>>98434268Cool image, mind if I save it?
>>98430950wish I had more mk IV heads to put on but I need to get through my giant pile of mk VI ones
>>98435549Tactical vets?
>>98435555Can't be, several got melee weapons. Gotta be a centurion command squad, those are what veteran squads used to be in older editions.
>>98436170None have "actual" melee weapons outside of maybe the sgt, who can have them as normal.
>>98436179Tactical veterans can't even have chainswords anon. Chainswords are considered to be "actual melee weapons" by the rules now.
>>98436189Technically command squad cant have chainswords AND a ranged weapon, as they swap their bolter for either a melee weapon or ranged weapon.
>>98435555nice quadsyeah they're tac vets the shotguns are just kind of for show since they can't actually take them but I feel like it fits the theme
>>98435549Wheres that dagger arm from?
>>98436767pretty sure it's from the 40k CSM NL kit
>>98431660Fuck those are nice. I can't tell, are those the new sculpts?
>>98436767>>98436809it's from the base csm legionaries kitI think the NL one comes with an extra dagger
>>98436894they're the prior rendition
>>98437208please king go in and try to eliminate some of the seams still going on with those bolter magazines and crotch and such it's not too late, even recasts warrant the time and love called for.
>>98432919>>98432941Wrong, it's the opposite. The Black Books is fanfiction of the BL series.That's why they have so many mistakes, like Fulgrim being a Librarius supporter, a Custodes force at Signus Prime, or MkIV being hoarded for the traitors (which is nonsense)
>>98437359>MkIV being hoarded for the traitors (which is nonsense)That piece of fluff dates back to RT and been printed in several sources outside of the Black Books, before and after them. So suck it.
>>98437401Prove it. Also, the Black Books themselves and the FW models released for them contradict it, because loyalists had plenty of MKIV (like BA and UM), and it's canon that Legions had their own private deals with Mechanicum forge worlds.We didn't need Horus to provide them with MkIV.
>>98437416Did you...did you think Horus was personally going around handing out MKIV suits or something? Well, at least now we understand why you prefer shitty pulp novels written for children over an actual account of futurewar written by fans of military history - you're such a fucktarded dimwitted gormgroid you don't understand the concept of logistics.
>>98437416>Prove it.Proven.>loyalists had plenty of MKIVNowhere does it say loyalists didn't have any MkIV. Even in WS129 it says "many of the Space Marine armies were entirely or partially re-equipped." So while traitors might have gotten preferential treatment, loyalists got plenty of suits as well to be at least partially re-equipped with the new suits before the Heresy started.>Legions had their own private deals with Mechanicum forge worlds.And those forge worlds had bigger deals with the Imperium. So, if the Emperor demands them to provide X number of suits to specific legions, that's production capacity away from providing them to any legions they might have private deals with.
>>98437451So you're a retard without reading comprehension, got it>an actual account of futurewar written by fans of military historythe best part of them was written by a BL author, John French, and the rest was just as mid or worse than BL books. You don't know what you're talking about.
>>98437455You haven't proved shit, except my point.The old RT text says nothing about Horus making sure that the traitors had more MkIV. And the BB text is plain wrong and contradicted by the rest of the series. It can only be dismissed as a mistaken theory by the Scouring era historian that wrote it. There was no time between Horus becoming Warmaster and the war for his influence to have that impact on legion logistics. The whole thing is (another) example of the Blacked Books being wrong just like BL stories. But you Blight worshippers cannot look at them objectively because you're too emotionally (and maybe financially) investested on them.
Got send these a week too early, what the heck
>>98437506>black books are fanfic because they say "MkIV being hoarded for the traitors (which is nonsense)">gets proven as being a thing outside of Black Books>"nu-uh, because it doesn't say Horus personally gave the order"There's no cure for retardation.
>>98437514You proved nothing. The RT text doesn't say what you pretend it says.As usual for you disingenous dipships with no rigour or reading comprehension you double down instead of recognizing your failure and will make sure it doesn't happen again.
>>98437511My condolences.They're so fucking ugly. It's stupid that GW didn't just reuse the much better top mounted design they used for combi-disintegrators.I'm lucky to still have a reserve of the old resin and plastic Tigris combi weapons.
>>98437511This looks more like a Halo or some other generic scifi weapons than something I would ever put on my space marines
>>98437539The shotgun does look like something out of Halo or Call of Duty. A modern tacticool semiauto shotgun that would be fine for them but not for 30k or 40k.The combiweapons are abortions and clearly Necromunda rejected designs. That's why they're so small, they were designed for baseline humans.
>>98437539It's like the design a bolter threads we used to have with MS paint/photoshop jobs.
Working on some Deathsworn and some titanicus weapons
>>98437359>or MkIV being hoarded for the traitors (which is nonsense)That kind of shit happens in BL slop too, wtf are you arguing about if you haven't even read the stuff you are defending.>“As I said, the issue of supplying the Legions has always been problematic, but recently I have identified a pattern within the structure that appears too often to be a coincidence.”>“A pattern? What pattern?”>Kane hesitated, reading a spike of interest register in the Fabricator General’s binaricfield. “Where we might reasonably expect those Legions operating closest to Mars to havethe fewest supply problems, that’s not what I’m seeing.”>“Then what are you seeing?”>“That the Legions without supply problems are those acting in direct support of theWarmaster.”Mechanicum>‘I’ve never seen so many Mark IV suits,’ said Ravachol. ‘It must be an awe inspiring sight to see these worn by the Legiones Astartes.’>‘I imagine so,’ nodded Malevolus. ‘Of course, we are only about halfway through the general issue of the Mark IV. And as you might imagine, there have been difficulties in getting some of the more… traditionally minded Legions to abandon the old “Iron Suits”.’[..]>Ravachol gasped in awe as he saw the most wondrously exquisite suit of Tactical Dreadnought Armour he had ever seen. [...]>He looked up towards where the wearer’s head would be and shivered, suddenly afraid of this terrifyingly brutal suit of armour. ‘It is the zenith of my career,’ said Malevolus proudly. ‘I shall never craft anything so perfect as this again.’>‘It’s… singular,’ said Ravachol, backing away from the armour, which now held nothing but dread for him. Something in its hulking form spoke to him of the oceans of blood that would be spilled by whoever wore this armour and he knew that it had been designed to intimidate as much as protect.>‘Who was it built for?’>Malevolus smiled. ‘It is for the Warmaster.’The kaban machine
>>98437564Recasts right? Legit GW is even more insanely expensive in the land down under. And are those some lotr wood elfs? Kino.
>>98437538I think they're cool, so lets just agree to disagree.
>>98437568Yes, BL has also plenty of mistakes. But again, neither of your 2 excepts say that MkIV was hoarded for the traitors.That's you projecting the Black Books text over them, but they don't actually say it. In fact the second one talks about some legions being stubborn and still wanting to use the old suits, which is the opposite.You're just bad at reading comprehension.
>>98437592Btw, even if Mark IV was halfway through being issued to the legions, it was decades old by the time of the HH.For example, the WB already had it at Monarchia, 40 years before the war and becoming the first traitors.
>>98437592>Yes, BL has also plenty of mistakes.Or "if it agrees with what I think it's correct otherwise it's an error but I'm still right btw".The second excerpt is a traitor speaking to his loyalist disciple moments before he kills him through the machine. The entire shipment of mkiv and Horus' armour is meant for the SoH. The first excerpt outright spells it out that the traitors are getting the lion's share of the supplies before Horus turns traitor.>the WB already had it at MonarchiaDo you have sources that say that it was widespread by then or is it just "trust me bro"?>You're just bad at reading comprehension.You can't read between the lines and you are arguing in favour of something you haven't read against something you haven't read.
>>98437666Anon, I respect your efforts, but you can't reason with the mentally ill. Don't feed the troll.
>>98437573Happy little accident that it posted upside down haha. But yes, recats for sure. Absolutely no way I am paying GW prices for themShould actually be some recast Galadhrim from memory.
>>98437359>like Fulgrim being a Librarius supporterthere are more sources of Fulgrim being pro Librarius than against you nonce
>>98437666>OrWrong. This is about you making a mountain of a mole hill because you can't cope with your precious Black Books being wrong, despite being explicitly written in-universe by an unreliable narrator.>The second excerptdoesn't say that they were for other traitor legions or that was a policy, and it actually says the opposite.>WB already had it at Monarchia>sources Take a look at the Gal Vorbak. Do you know their lore, do you?And they weren't the only ones. > read between the linesyou're making shit up and lying when the sources say actually the opposite>>98437692There's only Inferno, which also has other issues.And anyway, those are just a couple of the Black Books/FW mistakes, which is the point you're desperatelly trying to avoid.
>>98437683This.
>>98437683>>98437777Fair enough.
>>98436739They can take them in 3rd.
>>98427906One or two of us
>>98437683>>98437777>>98437796>Shameless samefaggingPathetic. After so many times you've been BTFO, you'd think that you'd learned to be at least a better troll, since you suck at arguments.
>>98437511when you look at the sprues, is it feasible to cut off the magazines and reattach them to the side? feeding from the top is what makes them look so terrible imo.
>>98437883Meds.
>>98437891nta, but that's a waste of money and time, IMO.Just get recasts of the old Tigris combis
>>98436905It does, but the NL one is covered in poison>>98437506>The old RT text says nothing about Horus making sure that the traitors had more MkIV.No, it simply "implies" that chain of events. "many of the chapters (legions) which were supplied turned traitor, while many of the loyalists went without" This outright states a lopsided delivery, and while it doesent implicate horus directly you can absolutely draw those conclusions based on the result and his position to accomplish it. >There was no time between Horus becoming Warmaster and the war for his influence to have that impact on legion logistics.But we KNOW thats not true: see Tallarn, horus clearly DID have the time to set things up, guess he worked fast>And the BB text is plain wrongLmao. The BB text IS the truth, (well, and rt here), thats what you base it on. Not "well some UM and BA elites are in MKIV (which, in no version of events, do the loyalists lack entirely).
>>98437901>2026>still pretending that samefags do not use inspect and edit to doctor screenshotsPathetic. Just tired trick after tired trick
>>98437891You mean the bolter mags? Should be doable, don't see any weird details or anything that would complicate things.
>>98437906>impliesThat's what the writer of that text of the BB tried to do? Yes, Was he wrong just like you? also yes> see TallarnWhich was written by the same BL author resposible for the early Black Books. Not a coincidence, but still says nothing about Mark IV. > The BB text IS the truthSee above, it isn't. It's at best a biased in-universe source.>some UM and BA elites are in MKIVThe majority of them were using mkIV even before Ullanor. In fact, Tempest shows the UM 22nd destroyer company as an exception because they were not favoured.The Black Books were great and nice, but they were far, far from perfect, unbiased, accurate to the lore, or free of contradictions. Stop being simpleminded fanboys.
>>98437883Lmfao, what a schizo.
I stopped posting in /40kg/ to avoid this mental retardation
>>98437959You can thank 2.0 and 3.0 for having brought /40kg/ into /hhg/.
>>98437938>but still says nothing about Mark IV.It shows your claim that horus wasnt warmaster for long enough to affect logistics was objectively wrong. >The majority of them were using mkIVGo on, prove it. Show the source that says "the majority of the legion used MKIV"
>>98437872There is lots of NL players here anon. Here, my first Atramentar wip just for you.
This isn't even armour autism, this is just unadulterated armour retardation.
>>98437977Is that a pr00nt?
>>98437904i dont disagree there are easier options. just wondering if the weird design can be salvaged. i kind of like the shotguns, not as much as the old ones, but still.
>>98438015Pretty sure it is.
>>98437965During 1.0 there were already plenty of retarded Black Books fanboys, it's nothing new.>>98437974> claim that horus wasnt warmaster for long enough to affect logistics was objectively wrong. I stated "the impact" for a reason. I was being specific while you're reaching. Your excerpt mentions a recent development, not a plan long in the making like the BB.> prove itThe images or references about UM or BA not using MkIV are the exception, not the norm. QED.Even pic related was from just after Monarchia.Is the GC/HH chronology inconsistent? sure. But it's what it is.
Speaking of shotguns: why the fuck are recon marines with shotguns more points than veteran tacticals with shotguns? And by quite a substantial amount too. Not sure if having infiltrate, move through cover, and skirmish are so much more valuable than having double the wounds and attacks, as well as BS 5. Is it just paying for their sins in the previous edition?
>>98438078Marines shouldn't even be carrying shotguns.IRL shotguns make sense because their bigger shells vs rifle rounds, but it's stupid when bolgun rounds are big enough to have different payloads like they actually do.
>>9843814240k shotguns also come with a wide variety of different shots, including bolter rounds. They're also simpler weapons than bolters, thus not requiring fancy bolter cartridges to be used.
>>98438142Don't care, shotguns are cool, so fuck you.
>>98438071>not a plan long in the makingExcept thats literally what tallarn was, it wasnt some "recent thing" that it was a stockpile. It was a long standing stockpile world established by Horus (one of many) which in retrospect looks a whole lot like "horus planned to use it as a supply point during the heresy">>98438071>The imageslmao"well this chinese artist they got drew it one way so thats the lore"
>>98438078Because recon marines pay a lot of points for their sins in 2e and for infiltrate (and access to nemesis bolters). Theyre also in recon, an easier to get slot than elites.
>>98438142AL banestrike shotguns all day
>>98437938>The Black Books were great and nice, but they were far, far from perfect, unbiased, accurate to the *previous iterations of the* lore, or free of contradictions.no one disputes this you cunt. What is being argued is that they, not the B novels, are canon.
>>98438215Hell yeah
>>98438071>The imagesAre not statistically representative. Try again.>referencesGo on. Provide them. Post where it is referenced that MKIV was the norm among BA or UM, and therefore loyalists in general.
>>98438015It is
>>98438204>Theyre also in recon, an easier to get slot than elites.To add to this/explain it:: Units in the more prestige/niche slots tend to be more cost effective at their jobs than normal units. Point for point command squad will beat out normal terminators by quite a lot. Basically every unit beats tacticals point for point. The balance there is that those units are simply harder to get, and that they carry a lot of opportunity cost with them when getting them compared to their alternatives,
>>98432822Hello Lord of Skulls
>>98428577the breach is on the inside. You're thinking of the ejection port.
>>98437977Nice. I think my dude is gonna be just ok
i should build a base for my titan
>>98427886looking at OP's pic, I wonder if the nu-mk4 can still be used for Thunder Armour conversions, as good as the older ones.
>>98438198>>98438232I guess all the majority of BL Visions and FW books and models showing BA and UM mostly in MkIV are nor "statistically representative", right retard?>>98438221>What is being argued is that they, not the B novels, are canon.Which is retarded and the product of election tourists angry with woke authors since the mid 2010s.The 1.0 FW books and the current 2.0/3.0 are the "B" material. Outside the early Isstvan trilogy they don't even focus on the main events much.
>>98432394I really can't see a difference in size.
Would Armiger weapons fit on a Contemptor Dreadnought?
>>98438616
>>98438616The ranged weapons except maybe the autocannon are oversized, the chainsword especially is. Armigers are also not insignificantly large compared to most dreadnoughts. But the flat fitting wouldn't be hard to convert since you could skip a piece that connects the Contemptor weapons.
I have a spare box of tactical MK.II marines new plastic can I just buy the breacher upgrade kit to use it on them? I don’t like MK.III that much never did
>>98438750It has its own arms for the shields and bolters, but it's not a big deal on MkII at all. At least when compared to heavy guns having MkVI arms and vambraces used to cover the differences on some kits.
>>98438750Yep, it's compatible. That's what I did for my Veteran Breacher squad.
I run the MK. II helmets on primaris they scale just fine anywhere
>>98438790Oh wow that picture came out ass here take this scale real quick
very gay please don't post again
>>98438306I am sure he will do nice in your 40k games.
>finally find the perfect bolt pistols I need for my conversion>The shipping is the same price as a box of marines because the printer is somewhere in Montana while I'm in EuropeFuck sake
>>98438873Here’s my heresy stuff you chud
>>98438918Now you know how the rest US feels paying 20 bucks for shipping from the UK.
>>98438973>mk6 Your homosexuality only grows
>>98438983nta but where are your HH models, anon?
>>98438983>>98438973Primaris troon who bought into NU mk troonism
>>98439046>>98438983And we wonder why the general died, just outright losers who reside here. Do you really have to be insufferably so fucking negative
>>98439061Are those dark sons?
>>98438918>>98438980>$20 epstein bux for UK shippingHA, try fucking around $30-$40 (+tip, +tariff fee, +VAT taxes/export fees, +"donation" to our sovereign rulers in israel)I miss those days where a forge world order actually cost LESS than $1=1 pound. There was such a small window where it was like that back in the early to mid 2000s, but it was a wonderful time...
C7 talks about the HH RPG at about the 18:00 min mark of the videoNot sure if this is new news or not, but it seems like they will let players choose between Loyalist or traitors at the start, probably in a similar system to the Grim Portant from TOWRPG.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xu34Nky022w
>>98439070Yes with additional stormseer
>>98439103Cool stuff anon
>>98439046>>98438983How are we still doing this gimmick? The plastics aren’t that bad
If the boxy Epic Armageddon titans became the Lucius Pattern in fluff why didn't the OG 90s titans get the same treatment.What pattern of Warhound would you name pic related?
>>98439126Who said anything about plastics? Every iteration of mk6 is for nostalgia addled faggots.
>>98439132They did. They're the Mars patterns.I, for one, can't wait for there to be 40k AT so we can model purity seals on titans without offending autists online.
>>98438385>I guess all the majority of BL Visions and FW books and models showing BA and UM mostly in MkIV are nor "statistically representativeLiterally yes you retard. How many models/guys do you think you see? How many people are in a legion?
>>98439190They already do though, they're just prayers for functionality rather than wards against corruption
>>98439207*they already do have them thoughWhoops
>>98439207>>98439218Try explaining that to some retard autist suffering from terminal dunning-kruger effect
>>98439224I just did.
>>98439146This whole fuckin game is “GW: nostalgia edition” you irrelevant troglodyte. Quit shitting up the the thread with these pathetic kike-like replies>>98439103Cool WS anon. Nta but I appreciated the helmet comparison, thanks
>>98439207>"In the aftermath of the Horus Heresy the loyal Orders of the then-new Collegia Titanica added purity seals to their Titans."I dunno, man, sounds like purity seals were added after the Horus Heresy.
>>98439190>They did. They're the Mars patterns.That's mucho boring and stupid. They look nothing like the modern mars pattern minis and they have a unique iconic look boomers are nostalgic for. it would make more sense to retcon them into being another unique pattern of titan like the EA ones so that their unique look is memorialised in the setting rather than replaced by modern titans.
>>98439203Who cares about how many marines are in a legion when 9/10 of the ones we see are in mkIV, you contrarian nigger.Shut the fuck up and deal with it. MkIV was never restricted to traitors. You precious Black Book was wrong and so are you.
>>98439463Hoe's mad lmao
>>98438918https://gofile.io/d/nGMPIf try these and find a local printer
>>98439390Like you give a fuck about what "boomers", ie adults, like and want. You're the one pining for the old sculpts, because to you they hold the promise of a long lost golden era you never had the chance to experience. But since the cool kids never admit to liking things on the school yard games of grabass that take up most of your life, you try so very, very hard to pretend it''s all just a mix of other people's opinions and self-evident facts.
>>98438385>Which is retarded and the product of election tourists angry with woke authors since the mid 2010s.no it's because people finally started turning on Dan Abnett after years of his retarded bullshit and pointless OC's. People turning on ADB took off after his Emps story and being an annoying wanker.
>>98439499Lmao the projection niggerI just think the 90s beetleback titans are neat and that them being their own pattern makes sense conceptually. If I got my hands on some I'd fluff them in a campaign as an older unique pattern of titan being used.I don't have any particular nostalgia for the 90s. I have nostalgia for the early 2000s playing as a kid but I don't spend my time sperging about WE MVST RETVRN. I just stopped playing 40k when it stopped appealing to me and pay it 0 mind and focusing things that I actually like I.e AT and LI.
>>98439390The design language is clearly there, just like with OG AT Warlords and FW Mars pattern Warlords.
>>98439463>Who cares about how many marines are in a legion when 9/10 of the ones we see are in mkIV,Because thats what "representative" means retard.>MkIV was never restricted to traitorsNo, and nowhere does it say it was. It was simply skewed in distribution towards the traitors, something that was established since the start.
>>98439463>MkIV was never restricted to traitors.I'd love for you to show the person arguing this.
>>98439463>MkIV was never restricted to traitorsI think we have found the issue. Youre an illiterate moron. Nowhere (in the black books or otherwise) does it say MK4 was ONLY for traitors, thats not what "traitors stockpiled mk4" means. MK4 was MAJORITY for traitors, horus skewed distribution so that the legions he figured he could get in the heresy were favored in receiving it and the legions he thought would oppose him for certain would have less of it. Its about HOW MUCH of the armor every legion had, not "only the traitors had mk4"
Took me way too long to get around finishing those guys. But I'm finally there.
>>98438071>During 1.0 there were already plenty of retarded Black Books fanboys, it's nothing new.Tried too hard.
Hey anons, are autocannons any good against dreadnoughts? I was thinking of bringing a squad of 5 iron havocs or maybe veteran heavy support.
>>98439942Yes. Autocannons are good vs anything without an AV.
>>98439843most UM and BA we see are in mk4, so that's representative, not the opposite like you pretend, retard>skewed in distribution towards the traitors"skewed" doesn't mean "Horus did it" like you pretend. Your own quote talks about some legions being stubborn and refusing to upgrade.>>98439857>>98439921Nah the issue is that I was using "restricted" as a shorthand for Horus doing it once he turned, but you're disingenous dipshits grasping at straws and trying to muddle the issue.>MK4 was MAJORITY for traitors false and disproven by later Black Books where loyalista are shown using lots of MkIV.The EC weren't turned until just before Isstvan 3, and the NL/WE were pariah legions with their own forge worlds deals.This matches the older lore about being unfortunate, and not the BB explanation about being deliberate.>horus skewed distribution At best Horus was able to try to do it for the SoH and DG for a year between Davin and Isstvan. Which was pretty much irrelevant since MkIV had been in service by half a century at that point. It's just nonsense that should be ignored, like EC librarians or Custodes at Signus Prime. But you are just retarded BB fanboys that can't look at the source material with objectivity.
>>98440004>most UM and BA we see are in mk4, so that's representative,Nope, thats not what "representative" means. If 100/100 of the americans you see are ginger, it does not mean that americans are all ginger or even majority ginger. You have not seen a representative sample of americans. >"skewed" doesn't mean "Horus did it"Youre right, it was just luck, serendipity smiled upon the traitors and of the legions that got major MKIV refurbishment the majority skewed traitors for no real reason.
>>98439620They look somewhat similar in the profile drawing but imo the actual models look as different as they are to the Lucius Pattern. Plus GW bringing back old designs as something different in fluff is like a HH thing at this point like the saturnine terminators, the landspeeders, land raiders and probably other stuff I can't remember rn. That's why I mentioned nostalgia as a factor because GW has done it before for that reason
>>98440004>false and disproven by later Black Books where loyalista are shown using lots of MkIV.>women are shorter than men on average? False! I know plenty of women tallen than men!>and the NL/WE were pariah legions with their own forge worlds deals.That horus could rely on to turn with him once he turned. Yea, the WE had Sarum and the NL probably had their own logistics to some extent, thats irrelevant. Horus knew that they were likely assets for his civil war and planned accordingly. >This matches the older lore about being unfortunateExcept it was never "just unfortunate", it was always malfeasance "whoopsy! we gave most of our cutting new and cutting edge armor, the best were ever going to make, to the insane nutjobs and people who just turned on us! how unlucky!" was never the story
>>98440029That's what "representative" means when talking about a fictional universe where almost every time we see members of a legion, from line legionaries to their commanders, they're almost always depicted in a certain way.Also you clearly have no idea about statistics.> the legions that got major MKIV refurbishment the majority skewed traitors for no real reasonExactly. Let's see the list of legions usually depicted with MkIV:>ECWeren't traitors until very shortly before Isstvan III, didn't get to resupply>NLCanonically pariahs until Isstvan V, had their own forge world>BAhad their own forge world>WECanonically pariahs until the HH, had their own forge world>UMhad their own forge world>TSCanonically pariahs, had their own forge world>SoH>WBLiterally the only ones that can fit the BB text, yet their elites were using MKIV for decades before going traitor.>>98440063>Horus knew that they were likely assets for his civil war and planned accordingly.When? How? Both NL and WE were AWOL before Isstvan, and didn't got new suits. In fact, WE is shown already using MkV given their high attrition rate. Afterwards, neither got to resupply from Mars before going on to their next campaigns.It's nonsense that doesn't hold up to scrutiny, and you're just too stubborn to admit it.
>>98440145>Weren't traitors until very shortly before Isstvan IIIYea, basically none of the legions were traitors before the heresy started, thats what "the heresy" means. They were however a legion horus decided was possible to get into his corner. >Canonically pariahs until Isstvan VThat nontheless somehow got all the shiny goodies. Almost like despite everything Horus knew what he would need them for or something. >Canonically pariahs until the HHSee above. >Canonically pariahsSee above. >When?Before the heresy? When the fuck do you think. >Both NL and WE were AWOL before IsstvanThe NL thing with nostromo happened shortly before Isstvan, their trajectory was fucking obvioius since day one. Ditto for the WE, their fate was sealed since Angron was introduced to the legion and anyone with half a brain could see how that would end.
>>98440145>That's what "representative" meanslmao youre fucking retarded
>>98440194>That nontheless somehow got all the shiny goodies. Almost like despite everything Horus knew what he would need them for or something. Canonically Horus had nothing to do with it, because it's impossible. He only had direct influence on Mars, but all those legions had their own private deals with close forgeworlds. In addition MKIV had been around for decades at that point, and their lack of adoption was related more to the preferences of each legion.There was only 1 year between Davin and Isstvan. Horus simply had no time to make a difference until after the HH began.The Black Book text is wrong. Just speculation from a post war historian that didn't know better, period.
>>98439132They are the "Battle Bling" pattern to me, simply because battle bling sells a modern version of them, (at least for the warhound anyway, not sure if theres a reaver as well). In all seriousness though, id figure they are just a certain forge worlds pattern, one which GW sadly hasnt given a name to yet. They will eventually whenever they need to squeeze some more nostalgia bux out of the fans.....
>>98439224If some faggot started bitching because I added purity seals to a titan, id laugh in their face as loudly and obnoxiously as possible. I mean what, would some GW STORE employee start bitching and say I cant participate in some fucking "sanctioned" game just because one of my several thousand dollar titans had purity seals on her? Would that break store or game rules? This shit is why I dont play the game. Id lose my shit on someone if they got that faggy about it....
>>98440255>He only had direct influence on MarsYes, the warmaster, the 2nd highest ranking man in the imperium and on top of it all Horus (charismatic master strategist and general people person) was only influential on one specific forge world and had no effect whatsoever on any of the other ones (which also did not care at all about any outside influences or notions). >>98440255>In addition MKIV had been around for decades at that pointIt was a new mark that had not fully been rolled out yet, try again.
Theres 2 different types of plastic TARTAROS terminator sets, right? Or is that just the CATA ones? If so, how can you tell which set is which? Like, are there pics comparing the packaging of the two or anything like that? I want to get some off ebay, but I dont want to grab the wrong ones on accident....
>>98440367>was only influential on one specific forge world and had no effect whatsoever on any of the other onesYes, he didn't have direct influence on the forgeworlds used by the other legions. Didn't like it? That's the BB lore, so go to complain to Bligh's corpse. He was the one that decided that the Mechanicum would be feudal as fuck>It was a new mark that had not fully been rolled out yet, try again.Wrong. It was not "new". It was already in service for decades and enough time had passed for derivative marks (mkV-VI) to appear on top of multiple legion custom variants (like the UM praetorian pattern)
>>98440404There's only one plastic tartaros terminators set. For now...
>>98440350If gee dubs decides to make more titans they'll be the rapier scout titan, I'm sure.
>>98440404There's only one Tartaros plastic kit, and 3 Cata kits (the old one, plus 2 new ones with different loadouts)Look on GW's site.
>>98440414Any pics of that one? Ive heard the name mentioned in a few books I think.
>>98440423No pics. The descriptions are vague it's just a scout titan. The AT books mentioned a few patterns of titans we'll probably never see.
>>98440405>Yes, he didn't have direct influence on the forgeworlds used by the other legionsHe was the warmaster, he had "direct influence" on fucking everything. >He was the one that decided that the Mechanicum would be feudal as fuckThats irrelevant here. Horus had large scale influence over imperial logistics, not "just mars">It was not "new".It was, it was the brand new cutting edge armor, one that didnt even get fully introduced by the time of the heresy.
>>98439485Thanks
>>98440404>>98440408>>98440418I mean, if you wanna get technical, the Scarab occult terminators work in 30k so i mean, there is that.
>>98432728>gofileYou got a copy of liber custodes that is decent?
>>98439103the tartar head looks off
>>98440004Did any 3d chad designer make these heads yet? Or hopefully tortugabay will make them in the future.
>>98441160Take your bullshit to /pol/ where it belongs tourist.Or at LEAST post some fucking models with your low quality b8...
It's sad that the traitor legios book doesn't have heraldry breakdowns like the loyalist one but the banners are still readable if you understand the design language. For example in pic related >Legio Vulpa They have their symbol the saberfang on a red pile and their signum nobilis on the other part of the field representing the engine's maniple as sabrefang heads on spikes then below the engine name. Below left text presumably about the engine and legio. Right are kill markings of skulls on spikes.>Legio Audax Their symbol of a wolf awooing with engine name below. On the left side is text about the engine and Audax's pact with the world eaters with a bend below for the signum nobilis showing the maniple using warhound symbols (the titancus symbol with the teeth added you see on warhound transfer sheets). The right side of the field is bendets with kill markingsI'm lost in the sauce of titan heraldry>>98441250neat. I'm thinking of getting a resin printer and the first thing I'll print will be a Imperator titan.
>>98441521NICE breakdown man. You should make a document of all this info together and someone should add it to the first post links, that way anyone who wants to make banners and heraldry for their personal titans has a nice base to jump off from. One of these days ill get started on my BIG titans and I cant wait to get into making their banners, seals and all their markings and heraldry...
>>98441552I'll start making something explaining the elements and using examples from the banners in the legio books tomorrow. I've spent a lot of autism on this and probably should write it down.
>>98427886Just finished painting my kroot farstalker kinband. I'm more interested in painting minis than playing with them but after painting the death korps box I started with and these dudes I think Ill just start collecting killteams since I can make them all look nice and unique. I noticed that I start to lose my patience when painting anything kind of samey for more than 2 weeks which is about how long it took me to paint the death korps squad and the killteam.I am going to get that new spectre squad killteam next since I think I could do a nice flecktarn pattern on the cloaks they have. This photo kind of sucks but I cant be bothered to put them all together in a nice collage since I just finished them. Maybe Ill base them in the future if I get good at that.
>>98441660YOU FOOL
>>98441660Wrong thread, they look pretty decent if that's the second kit you've painted though. You should post a collage of them in a WIP thread so I can complain about all the little spots you missed in better detail.
>>98440031>GW bringing back old designs as something different in fluff is like a HH thingSuch as making the old, previously unnamed Warhound pattern the Mars pattern? The same way they brought the RT beetleback Warlords back as the Mars pattern Warlords as well.
>>98440004>Nah the issue is that I was being retardedFTFY, eGimp.
>>98441660You seem like a chill dude. Not bad for being new. You want WIP, down the hall and to the left: >>98441765This ain’t the game for these guys and there’s a lot of bitter cunts here who foam at seeing the older brother games stuff. /40kg/ might even be a better fit but they’re also pretty gay so….fair warning. Good luck and have fun painting
Has anyone tried putting these old FW heavy weapons on the nu marks?
>>98442092this was done with the old mkVI arms but i think it looks nicer than the nu heavy bolters
>>98442296Nice.I'm sourcing left hands from here https://marchofwar.co.uk/product/hands/
>>98440485>He was the warmaster, he had "direct influence" on fucking everything.Wrong. This is the same guy that was butthurt because Imperial bureocrats kept getting on his way.And he didn't get to talk with the forgeworls supplying the legions behind their backs, because they had their own separate alliances.> it was the brand new cutting edge armorWrong. It was decales old and there were already efforts to make cheaper/better versions of it.> didnt even get fully introduced by the time of the heresybecause some legions didn't want it or were too busy to get back to resupply (like the WS)You're so used to parroting memelore, that you are not seeing what the source material actually says.The BB quote about MkIV is an outlier that do not match the rest of the lore. And suspect, as it's just an opinion from a post war historian and an unreliable narrator by design.
>>98442296All the nu heavy weapons are horrible except for the ML.All those primaris hand grips and badly done details, ugh.I wish I got some of the old FW resin versions before they went OOP
>>98442407>it's memelore>it's the black books that are wrongPick a struggle and do it away from here so you can stop shitting up the general.
visions, as in the tcg/earlier novel collected art books are the only first-hand sources of any weight in this settingbeyond the broadest of notes available to us in the way of chronology and sequence of events, all else is completely suspect on any number of groundsthe truth as such is almost completely obfuscated
>>98442423It's memelore because you retards keep parroting it as a fact when it's just in-universe theory by a post war historian in the BB. And since it's not backed up by the rest of the lore, it's false.And that's just one (1) of the things wrong with the Black Books. But you're just retarded fanboys unable to look at this stuff without emotional attachment because much sacred texts.Uppity subhumans like you are the ones shitting up the general with your nigger behaviour because you can't cope with being wrong.
>>98442440Even Visions is suspect, and definitely not a first-hand source.But you're right: truth as such is almost completely obfuscated. But not so much by design, but by authors beig careless or pushing a pet narrative over being accurate to previous lore. That includes all HH material, specially Malevolence and onwards, which read like secondary fanfiction.
>>98442481i genuinely bask in this being a fictive bit of speculative history and outright archaeology, with only the most totally imprinted frameworks actually being taken as abject fact.we do not know. we cannot know. we were not there and even if we were it would only be observing of the smallest facet of thingsthe jewel to be fashioned out of all of this is of course one's truth arrived at and imprinted upon their miniautres
>>98442506I like to imagine the shitty, garbage, trash, worthless BLslop "novels" as being terrible in-setting pulp trash printed by a subversive cult trying to taint people's view of the Emperor. Sadly the fate of all who read them in setting - being burned alive on a pyre of the otherwise worthless books by the Inquisition - is not available to those who read them IRL, but at least it gives me a moment of joy every time I imagine them in that scenario when they start sperging at me IRL about why my army is wrong because in book 272 Glorbus Shlorblesteyn duelled the ACTUAL head of the 87th company, Blurbleflarp Fartlebart, several sectors away blah blah blah.
>>98442506But we do know a lot of things, anon. Some facts are true and not possibly dismissed.For example, we know that Horus was bald. We don't know if he just liked the look or he suffered male pattern baldness, but he was bald for sure.
>>98442524okay here's my question to youdo we clone benito mussolini or james gandolfini to act as horus in the film adaptation?
>>98442475>Uppity subhumans like you are the ones shitting up the general with your nigger behaviour because you can't cope with being wrong.You're the one posting walls of text on shit nobody cares about. Get the fuck outta here.
>>98442529Nta but we already made jokes on horus being drawn very similarly to mussolini in some fan art so that's the answer imo.
>>98442440in the afterword for The End and The Death Volume 3, it's outright stated that visions is the mythological version of the heresy while the novels are the unvarnished truth
>>98442556that's why he's one of the choicesthe other is/was an actual actor that could reasonably fit the bill in the way of appearance while giving some acumen and talent to the performance itself, thoughof course james could raise the replicated boy-benito so as to groom him for the role
>>98442520>"I deliberately entered a thread full of things that I do not like and now I am mad how could this be happening to me">noooo, stop talking about the book series that defines the setting and the game because I'm too attached to my 40k headcanon>making up imaginary confrontations in your head to be angry aboutThis is the mentally ill boomer mindset in action.
did we ever find out what the missing events were
>>98442564their absence is the greatest gift of all anonyou get to fill them in yourself ;3
>>98442560I usually defend the BL books as the source materail for the HH with all their good and bad parts, but fuck that and fuck Dan Abnett.He wrote that defensive afterword because he knew he had fucked up, gone too far with his self-indulgence, and turning the end of the HH as a fucking ad for his next Bequin book.Fuck TEATD and fuck Dan Abnett. He shouldn't have written that final book, and now it's forever tainted. Nobody should take seriously the bs inside it, like making pic related not canon (yes, I kid you not)
>>98442567maybe from a hobbyist sort of perspective, but from a real world alternative history perspective (like what if alan bligh never died and heresy 2.0 never happened), it makes it hard to try and predict what a book after maleviolence would have been like
>>98442577If you read Alan Blighs after words he's always hyping up the novels too. Hating the novels is a very modern idea that is in reaction to the existence of lore only warhammer fans who end up knowing more novel information than your average hobbyist
Speaking of BL slop I'm at book 30 and does the overall quality improve later on or is it always saturday morning cartoon-esque level? Because the first and second books were decent enough but I'm just not feeling it anymore.
>>98442564I think so, there's updated chronologies in several books up to the end of the Siege and beyond.Btw, it's a shame that the GW fucked up so badly both Tallarn and Beta Garmon. At least Tallarm got a decent BL book, but the rest was just lame and unfocused as fuck, when not outright fanfictiony.
>>98442589Yeah I also assume we would've gotten a book for the war in the webway given theres a rules caveat for the emperor in the custodes rules
>>98442587this is 4chan, its all slop and its always going to be slop
>>98442587i like the opening three titles and prospero burns and mechanicum and know no fear and master of mankind and actually the better part of the siege series toothe rest don't quite live up imo but that's just my lens
oh and betrayer is just about required reading for eater shits but idk, it doesn't really stand out too far besides
>>98427886Had ourselves an unintentional recreation of the battle of luth tyre last night. Around 1350 points for the traitors and 2700 for the loyalist. Some highlights: the militia troop scored two marine kills before getting wiped out in a single missile attack, the iron warriors warsmith tanked the fuck out of a ranged leviathan’s attacks and then some after his squad got decimated, the tyrant termies and their warmonger were lost in the warp until the final round, the death guard got into a brawl and sent the dark angels fleeing towards the end, but Marduk Sedras rallied the men and slayed Calas Typhon to win the battle.
>>98442584>Hating the novels is a very modern ideaNo, it became a trend here during the mid 2010s as part of anti-woke seething because the authors were smartasses in social media.Also because the success of the series also meant lots of normie redditors began parroring HH memes, and 4chan contrarians hate anything that becomes popular.
>>98442614This and also i think its because a lot of people expect WAY to much outta BL Books. People expect them to be some sort of amazing Epic Space Opera and the reality is, BL is just bolter wank. Its entertainment slop reading. Its like the fast food of reading, you dont pick them up because your expecting great literature, you pick them up because you wanna be entertained.
>>98442922The biggest complaint about BL books is that it isn't even good bolter wank. It's only up stuck book critics who love the smell of their own farts who complain about BL not being high literature. And the biggest problem with BL writers is that they try to cater to those critics, instead of the actual warhammer fans.
>>98442578Bligh's death is a real pity, the Black Books contain some of the best warhammer content out there.Also wouldn't Malevolence been written completely differently as it was published after his death?
>>98443057In the Angelus (which was what the book was called at the time) seminar which bligh was there for it seems a lot of the book was mostly done with a lot of the talk being about the future of the black books
>>98442564not really and I would guess even they probably didn't have a fully set idea of what was going there, or it would have gone there>010-011.M31Dark Angels shitpost campaign against Traitor homeworlds, showing up, bombing the crap out of them, leaving without saying anything (this is still very funny)>009.M31what's up guise its chaboi Sanguinius here back at it again fresh from Signus remember to smash that Traitor and ding that bell of lost souls>012.M31Battle of Trisolian - we did actually get an Exemplary Battles here which is what makes me think it was originally going to be larger; the two units that came from it are also reasonably memorable for being quite different to most EB units, and the battle itself would be a good time to update SW and SH, since it's mid-war>008-009.M31invasion of Necromunda; it's just to the north of the Inwit Cluster, and it's a major production world with a strong IF presence, so it makes sense a prelude to the Siege of Inwit; Necromunda gets so much dev work (and is even said to have been devastated during the Heresy, though this is never expanded on) that I feel like it's been bogarted for years and was meant to be part of this>007.M31(1)Knights-Errant on Isstvan III and etc; the Knights-Errant book we never got after Retribution>007.M31(2)End of the Chondax Campaign/White Scars civil war/White Scars vs all and the Khan declaring for the Emperor
>>98443240I always thought that 'The Passage of the Angel of Death' was what the DA campaign against the traitor homeworlds was gonna be
>>98443240>Knights-Errant on Isstvan III and etc; the Knights-Errant book we never got after Retributionwere we supposed to get that?
>>98443310I think so? there's some boilerplate lines about "future publications" there and I think in the HH2.0 Legacies that suggest it was going to expandyou could field an entire KE army last edition if you chose to - they just wouldn't have had an LA rule; and you could have fielded one in HH1 by choosing between whatever it was Furious Charge i think and the other one; and you could do it now but again you'd get no benefit for doing so, no bonus reaction points or anything, but the point being for three editions it hasn't actually been impossible, even in HH1 when they made it impossible to field WB Loyalists (which has since been reversed)>>98443292yeah, actually you're rightmaybe Nyrcon? Solar War part I?
>>98443368Probably something to do with the garmon cluster, or maybe the siege of inwit proper?
>>98442407>This is the same guy that was butthurt because Imperial bureocrats kept getting on his way.Do you understand that this isnt contradictory? Horus had - as the warmaster, the highest ranking person save the emperor- incredible authority over the imperium at large. He did not have total and absolute authority (which is what he wanted). Youre essentially arguing the president is powerless because he cant arbitrarily have anyone he wants shot.
>People still replying to the e-gimp
>>98439126It's literally one no-models no-games schizo, he's been here shitting up the thread for years.
>>98442564>The Sea of FireWhats that?
>>98442577Sheeeeeeit, guess its a good thing I havent listened to any of the three TEATD books yet. I heard that John gra-fuck himself and the eternals....I mean the perpetuals are in a shit load of all of it so I said fuck this noise....I just wont ever hear the end of the heresy, sadly. Doesnt really matter, ive listened to enough youtubers both defend AND put all three books on blast so ive kid of absorbed most of the key points, but at the end of the day, its just another thing that I love that ill never get to hear the end of.....Had the same shit happen with Metalocalypse, still havent watched the movie. I actually lost interest in watching it because I went and saw Dethklok live right after the movie came out and was devastated by how HORRIBLE Brendans performance was, both as his live character voice work during the show AND his guitar playing. He was COMPLETELY off his game and it completely killed any "want" I had to watch the movie....seeing Baby Metal open for them though was definitely the highlight of the night, almost made it all worth it, at least.Wish I had done the same with The Venture Brothers movie. Didnt hate it, but didnt really love it either.
>>98442577>>98444172This is the only account of the Emperor's duel with Horus I consider canon and it was written in 1988.
>>98444206I prefer the Emperor to not be a bitch and hold back to protect Horus.
>>98444172There's some neat parts in TEATD, but a lot of shit is needlessly drawn out, or in a holding pattern because a different plot line has to progress first.
>>98444206They should have at least included this in TEATD, but probably didn't because of how bad BL slop looks in comparison lmfao
>>98444255What are some of the pinnacles of the written word that you like as opposed to BLs "slop"?
>>98444277My all time favourite are the Lord of the Rings books. Reading those was the only form of entertainment I was allowed growing up, so probably some heavy bias and nostalgia for them.
>>98444277Nta but a canticle for leibowitz was pretty great and it is a huge inspiration for mech.
>>98444139its apparently mentioned in Guy Haleys titandeath afterword
>>98444206What's wrong with the duel in the novel
>>98427906Need lightning now
>>98445383It was dumb
>>98445383>Imma firing mah hest eye layzor!>You have activated my trap card!It was very hard to take seriously.
>>98445432>Hazard stripes on chain weaponsSo based.
>>98445432Lovely stuff. I really like what youve done with the glaives.
>>98445598>>98445811Thanks anons
>>98445383>chest laser vs eye laser like out of The Phantom>children's card game shadow realm duel like out of TTS>Horus loses because of an illusion of some fucking guy>Emp's last words totally shoe-horned>just had to stick perpetual bullshit in thereIt was lame.
Is there really no Battle of Beta Garmon PDF out there?
>>98446647the legion imperialis one or the 2.0 book?
>>984468722.0 one
>>98446940https://gofile.io/d/iHEg2F
>>98446963GOAT
>>98443368>I think so? there's some boilerplate lines about "future publications"I've been skimming book 6 and I can't quite find any such statements in the rules section
Dead threadDead game
>>98428800Pisses off cunts.Especially if you make them breachers using the mk3 arms.
>>98428800Inductii?
>>98445432Ad a fellow NL player I would suggest two things. Check the Green Stuff World chaines, they are imo a better choice then the one you used and please use the terror squad heads, those nu sucks balls. For the rest I really like your models.
Please...
>>98448077No
>>98447434>green stuff worldA lot of their shit is SO over priced though.
>>98447434Im also a big fan of the terror squad heads, but I think if anon wants to use the nu mk6 ones (which I dont personally like) all power to him, if nothing else it helps his guys stand out compared to everyone elses (who use the terror squad heads, because 99% of all night lords models use those I think)
>>98447434>>98448505I’ve had those heads too! I just get excited when new NL stuff comes out. Never was able to get a hold of the old terror squad bodies though. I just buy random chains at hobby lobby and it’s ilk. I’ll have to check out green stuff world though!
