Rules EditionPrevious: >>98462783>Newshttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-banned-and-restricted-february-9-2026https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-february-9-2026>Current Banlisthttps://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned>Bracket Informationhttps://files.catbox.moe/4tbvzw.pnghttps://files.catbox.moe/r62yfy.png>Former Commander Website: Learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committeehttps://mtgcommander.net>Card Searchhttps://scryfall.com>Card Statistics: See what everyone else puts in their Commander decks based on what is posted to the Internethttps://www.edhrec.com>Deck List Sites: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choiceshttps://www.archidekt.comhttps://www.moxfield.com>Manabase Information: Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identityhttps://managathering.com>Proxy Guidehttps://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM>Preconshttps://magicprecons.comTQ: Rule 605.1a has been changed so that a cost and effect of a mana ability that moves any card to or from a library don't make it a mana ability anymore. Thoughts? Or any rules lawyering you've done that caused you to win?
>>98467753>TQNothingburger. Fixes one bad ruling with a notorious problem card and removes the ability to do a lot of counterintuitive shit like casting the top card of your library with Millikin that almost never came up. Rules should have been this way from the moment they started printing abilities like this.
>>98467753wait so milikin isn't a mana ability anymore?
>>98467815nope no longer the case
Wanted to make rakdos treasures for a while but every commander for it seems so fucking sweaty. This fuckboi seems chill though. Thoughts on big dick dragon treasuremaxxing?
What UB do you want the most?
>>98467830same gameplay as this guy
>>98467843none, final fantasy tactics should be the final UB
>>98467851>None>Then immediately states an UB he wantsOk
Odds of us getting a The Wanderer with Partner so I can actually use her and Yoshimaru in the CZ? I just saw that secret lair art and oh lord
>>98467753>TQ: Rule 605.1a has been changed so that a cost and effect of a mana ability that moves any card to or from a library don't make it a mana ability anymore. Thoughts? Or any rules lawyering you've done that caused you to win?It's a strange one, and I'm not sure I like breaking consistency for this edge case in a game full of edge cases. But I can't say it's liable to impact my games.
>>98467843Ideally none, but discarding that as the easy answer, Mortal Kombat. Klassic franchise from the same era as MtG with tons of lore and characters to pull from that's already about planar travel and magic.
>>98467878zero, they won't print new partner commanders
Hey guys, I've never played magic before but I really love Star Trek. Could you guys help me make a deck for Spock? Ideally I would just want Star Trek cards (but I wont complain about other sci-fi cards)
>>98467898wait for the full set to release first in november
>>98467887tmnt, avatar, and star trek are viacom IPsso it makes sense that wb - regardless if they eventually get acquired by paramount or not - would want to rake in as much as possible, so i've always maintainted that>harry potter>dc>mortal kombatwould be the most likely UB sets
>>98467898There will almost definitely be a Spock precon (or one where he can be used as commander)
>>98467919precons will be TOS, TNG, and some shit like disco
>>98467843X-Men for a gambling themed Gambit deck, though my secondary answer is The Witcher
>lower decks precon
>>98467924But DS9 is the best one, surely I'll get a Quark omega Jew political thief precon right?
It'd be really funny if Starfleet Academy had a precon in development before it got cancelled
>any star trek after Voyagerobjectively shit, though I do rub one out for T'pol occasionally.
>>98467909Logic checks out. Not too excited about DC but I guess it'd be funny to tilt the Thor players by killing him with Superman.
>>98467942DS9 might be too jewish
>>98467887anything thats fantasy and not scifi or new york.I'd be fine with game of thrones or shit like that but please curb the modern age + shit.I'd never thought I'd say it but give me Fire Emblem or Zelda or some shit like that. Not Star Wars, please not Star Wars.
>>98467950Superman has been in Magic for nearly 30 years.
>>98467952>>98467942>Leonard Nimoy>William Shatner>Mark Lenard>Walter Koenig>Brent Spiner>Armin Shimerman>Whoopi Goldberg >Anton Yelchinetc. if you dislike jews, star trek is not the series for you...
>>98467964>Whoopi Goldberg
>>98467956Evidently I'm not oldhead enough to know this one.
>>98467965
>>98467969an old card powercrept so hard it doesn't even see premodern play
>>98467972Oh I know Morphling, I've just never heard it called Superman. Cool ass card though.
>>98467978here's an anagram for 'i am superman'
>>98467978The nickname still goes around. Way back when I was building mono-blue somebody introduced me to Pemmin's Aura as "Become Superman".
>>98467972It was also nerfed when damage stopped going on the stack.
>>98467972god old magic had soul, anything after like RNA has been giga slop and maybe even the sets leading up to that were hit and miss
>>98467999>if they brought back damage on the stack morphling would totally tear up the premodern scene bro
>>98467985>>98467990I am now significantly less opposed to a DC set than I am to Marvel shit.
>>98468000>anything after like RNAFIRE design started in WAR and there's a very good reason for a prefire modern to take off just like premodern, i suspect the nostalgia will really kick in around 2030https://prefiremagic.com/
>>98467999>>98468004Morphling was basically (generic Hexproof + Can't be countered) card of its era where the card itself wasn't insane, it was just the creature control decks ran as a 1-of to actually end the game because it was the best standalone creature. If you played USG without bans you'd realize that it was basically every deck playing with infinite resources turned on because there were so many easy ways to create 10+ mana and draw 7 cards extremely quickly.
>>98468014>Playing after AlaraSure keep slurping that mythicslop.
>foil smaug-border Orcrist >Mithril Coat reprintPretty happy with my collector's pack :3
>>98468042Alara had no meaningful mythics, it was Zendikar that ruined everything forever
>>98468046>zendikarthen that would include onslaught too
>>98467843In no particular order:Fatal Fury/King of FightersKill la Kill (or a general Studio TRIGGER set)Duke NukemChrono Trigger (but not Chrono Cross)Gabriel Dropout (or anything with lots of angels, so we can actually get a pool of good contemporary angel cards).
>>98468049Did Polluted Delta have a reduced rate in packs compared to other rares? Genuine question.
>>98468062I didn't know MtG had South American players outside Premodern
>>98467909Harry Potter may be too expensive to license or just too controversial for them to risk it. Still it'd be the new best selling set of all time it they went for it, though they'd make Hermione black so I personally would hate it. If it doesn't release side by side with the new tv series it's never going to happen.
>>98468073>Harry Potter may be too expensive to licensethey already have the license
>>98468069both onslaught and og zendikar had normal rates for fetches appearing in boosters, zendikar 2.0 and 3.0 are a different story
also forgot to add my red white and blue blooded American UB wishlist to my post >>98468070Blacked.comBlack Men of SportsballDjango UnchainedForspokenThe New Testament
>>98468087I think it's more about Lotus Cobra than fetches>>98468090kek, damn Pablito don't get a sex change just because you were clocked so easily it's not that serious
>>98467909Literally no way Harry Potter is happening, Wotc is far too deeply invested with poz and has cultivated too much of a troon audience for them to choose that IP over any of the countless other viable options.
>>98467753Nobody did Selvala+Panglacial trick more than once.In 60card tourneys, the judge gives you a warning and tells you to stop being a snartass and play the game.In casual games, the rest of table tells you to cut bullshit once the trick gets annoying.
>>98468107*infestedFuck me for phoneposting ig
>>98467843some franchise full of lolis. doesn't matter which but propably more hololive would sell the most since being a closet pedo has wormed it's way to social acceptance
>>98467843Still digital circus
>>98467843Clash Royale
Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)
>>98468090>forspokenas the #3 ellafan on 4chan, I approve
>>98467843Pokemon. Can you imagine the amount of seething over scalper drama?If they print a serialized Charizard it would cause real life deaths somehow.
>>98468196Nintendo hates hasbro
>>98468196i don't think nintendo is that desperate to work with wotc again unless palworld really kicks their ass down the line
>>98467843I was going to reiterate Warcraft from the last thread. Or maybe Starcraft. But Diablo would also work.Fuck it. Do them all, and throw in Overwatch and go full Heroes of the Storm set for all that Blizzardness.
>>98467843If we were to ever get a full anime crossover, I've said it before but I'll say Eva again just to have monstrous creatures with the Angel type.But then that begs the question, what would the Evas themselves be?Vehicles?Artifact Creature - Angel Construct?
>>98468251Evas are Artifact Creature - Cyborgi think they'll save crewing for gundam and the like
think tekuthal can't be taken above low b3 unless you curve the fuck out every single game which is not reasonable given the current speeds and rube goldberg nature of proliferate. Guess i'll rework it into emry and if that fail idk, maybe cynette flying tribal for low stress b2 games
>>98468288>low stress b2 gamestechnically no such thing unless you specifically ban voltron and other such aggro strategies
why is this shitty card $15
>>98468317>still not demoted to rare>only in special products not main set>dragon tax
>>98468316right now my local wheel of prelevalent archetypes is on lets ping everyone to death and never swing so idk maybe it could work
>>98467843Magic doing this UB shit came at the worst time because everything is trying to make their own card game so they are likely not gonna want to put their characters onto magic cards. It's not like Fortnite where a character skin isn't making them compete with any other game. We are never gonna get a UB like dragonball, one piece, gundam, digimon, or naruto because Bandai already has those on a leash.
>>98467843I think they would actually do World of Warcraft really well but Hearthstone is already a thing so probably never gonna happen.
>>98468107it would sell incredibly well. when hasbro says make it, they'll make it. if someone has a problem with it in Seattle they'll send someone (or a sternly worded letter) from Boston telling them how its going to go down. way too much money on the table for political activism especially from literal groomers
>>98468316which makes no sense since Voltron is core commander
>>98468317it was a good card back in 2011 and is even better now that commander is more of a thing.repeatable blasphemous act
>>98468367and thats a good thing
>>98468394you'd be surprised at the number of people who think bracket 2 means voltron isn't supposed to kill them before they get their rube goldberg machine online
>>98468317Because The Ur-Dragon is the most popular casual commander in the game.
>>98468399a non-hasty 6 damage to only creatures one opponent controls every turn cycle isn't 'repeatable blasphemous act'
>>98468418maybe he's xenagos-brained so only registers it as 12/12
>>98467936>marvel set>no prof xavier>no magneto>no a ton of other x-menThey are obviously gonna do X-men as one of the 4 more Marvel sets. They left out too many important characters for that to not be planned.
>>98468426lol. well it's pretty good there.and in Kaalia. still doesn't seem like a $15 card to me though... I mean that's up there with Reaver Cleaver and Cavern Hoard Dragon.basically I was thumbing through old red 7 drops for my Ruby list and said, "oh, this should be relatively affordable." and then it wasn't lol
>>98468436strange and all the other magicians are pretty much out of the picture too so midnight suns might also be happening
>>98468415It's not actually btw.There's a lot of people who mess around with ur-dragon lists on moxfield but in real life he's not actually that popular because his deck is extremely expensive even in mediocre variants.
unban my zesty land you cowards
>>98468635this. there is no reason not to these days. the card is so fucking old
>>98468638>>98468635you guys are crazy lol
>>98468635Ah yes Drannith Magistrate as a land, what a great addition to the format that would be
>>98468641cope. you should play more interaction if Karakas is still a problem in 2026.
>>98468641doesn't even have protection. quite literally just remove it?
>>98468643>giving your opponent's repeated etbsliteral retard move
>>98468648Man i'm too old to get any fun out of arguing with bad faith shitposters, can you have a genuine opinion please
>>98468652(the answer is no)
>>98468638>Just unban power 9, they are old
>>98467843Type Moon
this thread needs a hero
>>98467843
>>98467843Come on Sanderson. I know you are an MtG fan. You wrote a fucking book for them for free.
Putting a single UB card into your deck is like letting a nigger fuck your wife.Things like seem normal afterwards, but the more you are around it the more it will feel off. There is a dark taint that won't go away. You will grow bitter and resentful until the only thing left to do is to hack it into pieces and throw it away and start over.
>>98468996So what does putting a single UW card in your UB deck represent?
I'm building around the new Commander Booster commander, Elda, that gives the first nonlegendary creature spell you cast each turn demonstrate.If I have a Silverquill Lecturer on the board, would I then be able to demonstrate my first non-creature spell twice? What if I were to Demonstrate and Silverquill Lecturer, on the next turn would I be able to Demonstrate three times?This guy basically seems like The Twelfth Doctor but if he actually worked half the time.
>>98469005>Non-creatureI assume you mean "nonlegendary", in which case yes. You can demonstrate multiple times, stacking linearly (1 per card that gives demonstrate).
>>98467843Fullmetal Alchemist
>TQThese a handful of new artifacts I can run in my Ashnod deck, pretty fun change IMO
>>98469005Demonstrate should stack and you would just do what it says that many times. 1 demonstrate means you get the original, 1 copy, and an opponent gets one copy; 2 demonstrates means the original, 2 copies, and target opponent gets a copy and target opponent gets a copy; the is original + 3 and (target opponent gets a copy)x3; etc.
>>98467843Overlord so we can finally get a Skeleton commander
>>98469118>Type>Legendary Noble Demon Lord
>>98469132They would pull this shit
>>98468996I know this is a pasta but I really think anons need to stop feeling cucked by everything.
>>98468288Poison counter pseudo combo with radstorm can be b4, you're just a bad deckbuilder
>>98468780They're going to turn every character black and fat.
>>98468385dont see why not. we got final fantasy magic even though there's a competing FFTCG. both can exist at the same time.pour one out for wowtcg, best tcg that didnt make it
>>98469159He's just sad his gay little antiub club house is dying
i don't acknowledge whatever "vigilance" is, creatures are supposed to ALWAYS tap when they attack get the fuck out with this illegal rule breaking shit
>>98469245Okay retard.
>>98469245Vigilance is just WotC testing the waters for changing the rules so creatures don't tap to attack at all. We have to all go on social media and protest vigilance so WotC knows we won't tolerate it!
>>98468090The New Testament would be a cool aesthetic set though
I have read all the replies I got on my sliver question last thread and have decided against my better judgement to assemble a sliver deck that I will probably take apart after three games. Thank you all for your input.
>>98469261get the fuck out of my game tourist. creatures tap to attack, that's literally the most fundamental part of the game and essential to its identity.
I appreciate this slowing games down but i fucking hate that this guy looks like a basedjack
>>98469410>introduced in Alphaok
Build Changelings instead. Old, old pre-bracket list. But it's novel having a bunch of lords that can synergize with your baseline creatures.
>>98469477Fuck, meant to (you)>>98469360
i don't acknowledge whatever "indestructible" is, creatures are supposed to ALWAYS die when they get killed get the fuck out with this illegal rule breaking shit
>>98469442a trick to get players used to these rule breaks and normalize them.
The stalwart Grizzly Bear player.Hates vigilance because creatures are supposed to tap when they attack.Hates activated abilities because tapping to do anything other than attack is just fanfiction.Hates haste because why would running fast stop magical jet lag?Hates exile because he doesn't understand why he can't un-exile his exiled bears.Hates defender because attacking is a core part of the game.Hates flying because the cards just sit there on the table.Hates flash because creatures aren't instants or interrupts, and playing them as such is cheating.Hates deathtouch because if you use it, you're cheating because creatures are supposed to drop dead based on if they've taken damage bigger than their health.Hates hexproof because you're supposed to be able to target things.Loves him some 2/2s.
>>98469477Does that archdruid count as MLD?
>>98469488I haven't had an excuse to post this in ages.
>>98469516As mentioned it's a pre-bracket list. I'd probably cut it nowadays (despite disagreeing that such a shit card should be relegated to bracket 4), I think I pulled its effect off like once ever.
>>98469482It sounds like hassle to get the changeling to lord ratio right in such a deck. It is a cool idea and might do it if I end up scrapping slivers. I will run a Firdoch Core in First Sliver in your honor though.
>>98469245You complain about vigilance? Lifelink is the shittiest mechanic ever introduced to the game the point of which is to reduce your opponent's life points to 0. It opened the whole Pandora's box of alternative wincons and combofaggotry. Fuck lifelink, at least they should have put a cap on your life points then.
>>98469528It's not as big of a hassle as you'd think, but I get wanting to avoid it. The problem is if you go the Sliver route you are just going to get targeted forever.
Is this MLD?
>>98469540If you're asking the question you're enough of a psycho that the answer is yes.
>>98469540no, it targets the lands one by one
>Have Eshki Temur's Roar out>Cast the flip Etali from my hand, the ETB goes off >Everyone exiles stuff>I get a creature and a counterspell to cast for free>cast the creature and counterspell it since I don't think you can save the things you get from Etali's ETB and have to cast them immediatelyDoes Eshki's +1/+1 counter/draw/self fling still go off if I counterspelled the creature I cast?
>>98467843One Piece, gimme that pirate support
>>98469619Okay, two things here.1. Why did you counter the creature? Etali is a "may."2. Yes, Eshki is a cast trigger. You cast the spell so you get the trigger. It doesn't have to resolve. In fact, Eshki's effect is going to resolve prior to anything you've done.
>>98469619Yes, it's a cast trigger, it goes onthe streak on top of whatever triggered it and doesn't care if that triggering spell resolves or not. >hit get captcha again by accidentI'm gonna self fling
>>98469178Excellent news, your mother gets representation
best sleeves to show off my fake foils?
>>98469653Inners + penny sleeves
>>98469629>>98469623Thanks anons>>98469623Well it was late and I wasn't reading too clearly and thought I had to cast what I got, no backsiesI still had enough mana up for one more 6 power creature drop for Eshki's final fling to end the game so it being countered wasn't all too bad but I'll keep that in mind next time I draw into Etali
>>98467843The Venture Bros.DOOM
>>98467753>TQ: Rule 605.1a has been changed so that a cost and effect of a mana ability that moves any card to or from a library don't make it a mana ability anymore. Thoughts? Or any rules lawyering you've done that caused you to win?I have no idea what this means. Give me an example with a card before and after.
What are some fun Sultai and Abzan commanders?going through my moxfield lists and I have none of that color combo
Hatsune Miku is print to demand??? I'm gonna CONSUUUME
>>98469734I've been enjoying Felothar but I don't have a Sultai commander
>>98469745>precon do-everything FIRE slop commander>fun
>>98469767yes
>>98469767Post your commanders so we can all judge your taste and maybe even berate you.
>>98469745Okay this seems hilarious if only for the image of The Walls of Ba Sing Se falling onto someone and absolutely wrecking their shit Load it up with a bunch of Defender creatures with low/no power and go?
>>98469693The card in the OP you mong
>>98469734Teval, Arbiter of Virtue
>>98469783that's what I did, I also put in this to get Ba Sing Se to 60 potentially 120 toughness with Doran, Besieged by Time out
>>98469693Spells can be put onto the stack and then have the cost paid for. Before this change, you could announce casting a spell and use Chromatic Sphere to pay the cost. Now, you must activate Chromatic Sphere and resolve its ability on the stack before using it for spells.>You have U+B mana and Chromatic Sphere>Counterspell in hand>Try to Counterspell an opponent>Activate Chromatic Sphere>Get StifledIn this scenario you would not have been able to be Stifled before.Stifle is an obvious winner from this, but Silence will be the sleeper winner for tripping up noobs with this change.
>>98469772>>98469780>defensive preconfags
>>98469821post commanders
>>98468107Half the staff would quit. It's not happening
>>98469841No.
>people are beginning to mald that the goth queen is taking the number 1 spot
>>98469909Looks like Preconfags rule then
>>98469912I mean, everyone is always going to be salty about the most popular commanders no matter who they are. They get that popular for a reason.
>>98469912I'm happy my girl made it to the number 12 spot
>>98469881>Half the staff would quithttps://youtu.be/-hYVyoy85jI
>>98469936It takes a long time to then retrain a new staff. Game would die.You can't remove 50+% of something and have it work.
>>98469912>do-everything FIRE slop commandergee
>>98469734Ghave is pretty cool.
>>98469939Cut the staff and force the product output to slow down a moment. Get some fresh designers onboard who can make more cards than just "exile the top card of your opponent's deck, you may cast it and (etc)" and "create a Treasure token". Hold a couple more Great Designer Search competitions and poach a couple sr. game devs for other TCGs.The company doesn't need the tranny workforce to survive, and I only see upsides to the game if they all left.
I summon Hatsune Miku in attack mode.
So I've played around 25 games with this deck. I need some life stabilization. Right now I only really have Shadowspear and that is in there mainly to turn off hexproof and Ayara. Any suggestions? https://archidekt.com/decks/24465407/edea_is_cuteLikly going to cut Shadowheart, Domniues of Fealty, and valgavoth. I want to keep my landbase as is, because 3 color and all.
>>98469912>Cute catgirl>POWERFULL effect>Deck builds it'self>Everydeck is the sameRemember why they banned Golos? Well, Golos had more variety than this bitch.
>>98469939I remember people said this about Twatter when Elon fired a bunch of people. The truth is, a lot of business has bloated far beyond what is necessary to keep the business going.
>>98469984>Remember why they banned Golos?Because fetching a land mitigated the tax on it, and when it entered you got a free Field of the Dead or whatever other land your tutor-in-the-command-zone wanted.This bitch is same-y, but Golos was fucked.
>>98469995Golos was not banned because of that
>>98468183Whaddup? Future king over here!
>>98470038Um, excuse me. Don't you know who I am?
>>98470002The immediate next lines:>You can drop in Golos and a few 5-color lands into a random deck and get all the ramp and card advantage you would ever want from a commander, with no worries about your mana base. Golos' ability effectively reduces the commander tax to one and once you hit seven mana (with Golos assuring that you have WUBRG and helping you get there quickly), you don't need to do anything for the rest of the game except cast spells for free—something we always want to be careful about.Golos was levels of fucked that made him the default option for a lot of decks and had built-in value that was hard to interact with. The cat's boring and samey, but at least you don't get immediate value just from her entering and she doesn't jist vomit your deck all over the field.
>>98470050Kneel, numbskulls!
>>98467753>TQ: Rule 605.1a has been changed so that a cost and effect of a mana ability that moves any card to or from a library don't make it a mana ability anymore. Thoughts? Or any rules lawyering you've done that caused you to win?Phyrexian Altar is still a mana ability right? Please be kind to me, I'm retarded
>>98470051Yeah, can't imagine any other commanders that let you vomit your whole deck onto the battlefield and can be a shell for literally anything. Nope.
>>98470055Does Phyrexian Altar move any card to or from a library as a part of its effect or cost?
>>98470054Bold, and bashful!
>>98470051>The immediate next lines:where nigger? This is the first thing you see when you check the ban list on the commander site. Which means it was the most important thing when they decided their ban. This is the case for every other card there. The cat IS the default option for Esper now. If you are not playing cat in esper you are playing a weaker deck.
>>98470070You asked for it!
>>98470077HUUUUUU
>>98470051>value that was hard to interact withYou can say the same exact thing about every single cascade/discover commander. Once they get rolling, you can't stop the tide unless you are playing a powerful/unfun deck yourself. The thing about those cascade slop decks.. The format self corrects, people just refuse to play against them.
not magic the gathering
>>98467843Harry Potter. Not because I particularly love the IP, though I don't hate it. I want UB Harry Potter so the troons at WotC purge themselves out of the game, and for LGS troons and troon allies and reddit fags to purge themselves out of the hobby. If they don't purge themselves out I will also be amused, because it means they have no morals and don't actually believe anything they say.
>>98469912Yet, I haven't seen a single one in IRL games.>Is a precon commander, so she's massively inflated from people just uploading the precon wholesale or brews that are minorly changed>EDHREC just pulls from theoretical brews, not any hard data in people who have actually built the deck, so it's popularity doesn't mean a whole lot.When you know how EDHREC works, you understand ranks, especially of precon face commander don't mean much, so why would anyone mald about it.
>>98470072>where nigger?https://mtgcommander.net/index.php/2021/09/13/september-2021-quarterly-update/>Which means it was the most important thing when they decided their banIt's a summary of their statements. What they actually meant by that is what I quoted. It's a land tutor in the command zone. That means that most games with him were outright linear, and that was oppressive for casual play because what little answers were plaued at the time wasn't enough to stop the commander being a built-in value engine on multiple fronts.>>98470061Say what you want about cEDH partnerslop piles, but at least they need you to play other cards in the deck to be broken.
>>98470084>People refuse to play against themWhere are you finding people like this? The average commander player will see someone go +8 off their commander or an overloaded draw source, then think the problem was Craterhoof.
>>98470097EDHrec has unironically been the worst thing to happen to commander. I wish someone would DDOS the site forever. Just like Atraxa, I have seen one Catslut deck in around 50 games.
>>98470102>Partnerslop requires you to play other cardsThat's like saying Golos requires you to fine-tune your deck extremely carefully between ramp, lands, and bombs. It's a meaningless statement because so many partners produce noncommittal value, even the "bad" ones.
>>98470102even in that, this is literally the first thing they note. It is the first then they use to justify and the ONLY thing on the Golos ban page. >oppressive for casual play because what little answers were plaued at the time wasn't enough to stop the commander being a built-in value engine on multiple fronts.Just like maelstrom wanderer, which is another card that the format self polices. Wanderer doesn't even need you to resolve him for the value. The RC are on the record, the most important thing to them is "fun and experience" and Golos was banned because he was not "diverse" and thus unfun.
>>98470082How would Magic manage to properly translate Little Prince and Mega Knight?
>>98470102>but at least they need you to play other cards in the deck to be broken.Yeah, cards like manarocks and land.
>People actually discussing EDH>Faggots desperately trying to discuss UBslop.Shills fuck off.
>>98467753Tq: i cant go infinite with deathmantle loops at split second any more and im emotionally destroyed Let me sac my goobers to the alters at mana speed please...
>>98469995>>98470002Golos should never have been made, but alas FIRE must go on, even if it continues to make format warping mistakes.
>>98470084>You can say the same exact thing about every single cascade/discover commanderI do. Every time I see any Etali at any of my tables, I make it a point to focus them.There's also the aspect of actually casting the commander. Golos is five colors but takes none to cast. You only need a Sol Ring, one land, and a Mana Crypt at the time/Ancient Tomb to get him out on turn 2, but meanwhile you had every benefit of running five color. Even if your hands weren't that Christmasland (though only needing three somewhat interchangeable cards, one of them any land, isn't that unimaginable), you could run any fast mana you wanted because the downside of not having your fixing was solved by Golos entering. For how bullshit Etali is, at least you need colored mana beforehand to even be able to play him.
>>98470145
how much negative karmic energy will I garner if I change the commander of my pet deck I have been playing for a decade or so simply because it is bottlenecked by the commander? I'm thinking about switching to Atla Palani and making some changes to the deck to fit her slightly different engine
>>98470160Depends, who is your current commander?
>>98470145The number of games where I see this turn two and a three mana etali turn three has been far to many, I'm starting to think etali players are just cheaters.
>>98470166Mayael the Anima
>>98470160>Atla PalaniDo not do this. Use your tiny brain. Do you want your commander to die every second she touches the board?
>>98470171Do not ditch Mayael, the dark ones will take you if you do.
>>9847017130 years bad luck cheating on your blind wife.Mayael is still very competent I feel; maybe look to give the 99 some more love.
>>98470120>That's like saying Golos requires you to fine-tune your deck extremely carefully between ramp, lands, and bombsMaybe you should read my posts and the rules committee announcement because the problem with Golos is that you didn't need to. You did not need to have a plan with your deck because Golos is a complete built-in package of ramp, tutoring, and payoff. The closest thing to him is MH Urza, which, even though it's a steep downgrade, is still a powerhouse.>>98470128>even in that, this is literally the first thing they noteYou needed linked to the ban announcement to know it even existed. Stop trying to double down on your headcanon.>Just like maelstrom wandererHow are you going to cast that on turn 2?>>98470131I don't think you understand that there isn't a single point you could make for Thrasios that doesn't apply to Golos except worse in Golos's case.
>>98470171Give this ugly nigger a try. She is ugly, but she has flash and gives your board haste, lets you untap your best mana dork and can outright kill with commander damage.
>>98470156You need to connect with that after it survives long enough to attack.
>>98470170Dinosaurs in general are one of the most retard-proof tribes out there. They've been given absolutely everything they could ever want, and yet somehow they keep getting more.
>>98470171don't you dare
>>98470181>>98470179>>98470178i know! i know! I love my wife and she is maybe a little bit temperamental. whiffing feels awful, and people in the know already kill her ASAP. paying 6 mana for a tap ability that can miss has made people really giggle at me, as despite statistically being a fairly high chance to hit, this deck enjoys stacking poorly. I'm open to suggestions though.https://moxfield com/decks/Vdr3nUjcfEa_I7avF0h3eg
>>98470192NTA I'm actually building the Driving Force version of her she seems pretty fun
>>98470189>You needed linked to the ban announcement to know it even existed.Excatly retard. You needed to search out their reasoning, meanwhile the banlist, you know one of the top results, lays out the main reason for the ban. It is literally the only thing stated on the banlist, you have to SEARCH out their deeper reasoning. >How are you going to cast that on turn 2?You're not casting golos turn 2 now gramps. Maybe one out of like 50 games. Jew Lotus is banned, Mana Crypt is banned, if you are playing Ancient tomb, mana vault, grim monolith, guess what, You're in bracket 4 and you should expect bullshit.
>>98470194in the games Golos dominates, much like every overpowered commander, retards never pack removal. I maintain, a vast majority of problem cards are only problems because people roll up in casuals with barely coherent decks and shit in their mouths. I have seen people slow roll combos over and over and can only laugh because some retard removed my pet card instead of some combo commander.
>>98470130Tried Little Prince if you want to do MK.
>>98470227Ohh, guardian!
>>98468205>>98468204I always hear how pokemon is not Nintendo everywhere else on 4chan.
>>98470202I suggest adding alternative ways to cheat. Lurking Redditors is a very powerful enchantment that does well in timmy decks in my experience.
>OMG Anon, that card is so strong, we can't let anon get four quest counters>That's right, just attack him, you have 3 1/1s and he has TWO blockers>no, I don't won't to lose my manadorks/ I need blockers for this empty board/ noooo I don't want to attack.It's so tiresome.
>>98470227>Just barely overtuned enough that it could be printed>OPT clause that doesn't matter>Protects multiple removal methods by itself>Doesn't let you attack into him without overcommittingThis is a masterpiece and I hate it.
>>98470202anything that tries to cheat creatures into play gets killed on sight no matter how slow it is. you either play shit so fast it cannot be responded with anything but counters like the x spell rocco or something so low on the radar value engine that doesn't raise immediate alarm bells because there is something else already trying to end the game directly
>>98469990I also want mtg to die like twitter but you're really dumb if you think that Elon did anything good with twitter. That company is worth way less and mostly used by bots now.
>>98470211>You needed to search out their reasoning, meanwhile the banlist, you know one of the top results, lays out the main reason for the banI don't understand how you think "YOU'RE citing the reasoning" could, in any way, be twisted into a point without implying that you're proudly talking out of your ass.The paragraph you keep trying to shove, like nobody here can read it, is just a summary of the reasoning, the summary describing what I keep posting (that you refuse to read).You keep posting what you think it means. I keep citing what it actually means using the same source.I'm sorry, but you're just blatantly wrong on this.Sidenote, but it's a bit hypocritical and retarded that you keep trying to spin "you had to go out of your way to cite a source" as a problem when your entire point rests on a screenshot from... where, exactly?>You're not casting golos turn 2 now grampsSol Ring and Ancient Tomb are still legal. So is Dark Ritual and Cabal Ritual. Even if you don't draw any of those, turn 3 is still easy and leagues more accessible.I repeat: Golos lets you use any fast mana in the game, because the problem that would lead into with five color decks in thei lack of fixing is mitigated by Golos entering.So I'll ask again, how are you going to cast Wanderer on turn 2?>guess what, You're in bracket 4You listed three gamechangers.
>>98470235Doing it for the f a m!
>>98470246I was thinking about doing that- skewing some protection or fixing to add that as well as last march of the ents. I'm just concerned of cutting more hits or ramp. I may slip some protection out, which makes me a bit nervous. I'll have to add the one ring as well, but I've been too lazy. also it's a gay faggot homo card. same with t-pro
>>98470223Part of Golos's problem was that he laughed at removal.>Cast Golos on-curve (5 mana)>Get a land (6 mana)>Golos dies to Doom Blade>Next turn comes around>Land drop (7 mana)>Cast Golos>Get a land (8 mana)If he was your commander, your lands were also probably tailored to make use of that quirk, so your gameplan was advancing from having to manage your command tax.
>>98470264You are the one who refuses. Right herehttps://mtgcommander.net/index.php/banned-list/Search golos and you see the reasoning the deemed important enough to put on the banlist, not some shit deep in a blog you have to search out and it aligns perfectly with the reason they banned things.https://mtgcommander.net/index.php/the-philosophy-of-commander/Golos was not banned because he was too strong, he was banned because he was too narrow according to their own words. The reason so important it is the first thing you see one the ban page.
>>98470280>Pay 7 mana for 1 land>Oh but what if my opponents are retards and can't do anything with their 5 leftover mana?
>>98470280A ton of commanders don't care about commander tax. Golos was banned because no one wants to runs cards like these and 95% of players are retards
This is the reality in Trump's America
>>98470283>Right here>https://mtgcommander.net/index.php/banned-list>not some shit deep in a blog you have to search outThat's literally the same website you threw a tantrum about me "having to go out and look up," and that "blog" is from the announcement, on that exact same website, where that exact quote was pulled from, with the quote I pulled being a direct elaboration on that summary, from the people who wrote the website you're sourcing, rather than the interpretation of someone who neither read the announcement nor actually played when he was banned.You are retarded and cannot admit you are wrong.
>>98470266>I'll have to add the one ring as well, but I've been too lazy. also it's a gay faggot homo card. same with t-proI would like to state that I agree with this. Anyway, if you are going to keep the deck roughly the same I think cutting hits would be wise, but if you are feeling daring you could also cut your dorks, replace with them with some other shit and add Oath of Druids because all the remaining creatures in your deck are large and scary.
>>98470307You have to literally search their blog for the full justification. I will spell it out for you retard.>The reason you see front and center when you check the Commander Ban list is pic related>You have to search out the blog posted related to Golos for anything else>You can infer the most visible reason for the ban is the one that held the most weight when banning him>This aligns with their ban philosophy that is linked directly on the ban pageYou are the one who cannot admit you are wrong. I am now done with you. You low IQ monkey.
>>98469980pls respond
>>98470300>>Oh but what if my opponents are retards and can't do anything with their 5 leftover mana?"If the entire table gangs up on it, it loses" is already a bad argument for evaluating any commander, but in this case especially because, again, all removing Golos does is set it behind one mana. The moment you fetch a Temple of the False God or Ancient Tomb, you've already guaranteed that your mana base, after a land drop, will set you up for the next cast while you're advancing your gameplan.I seriously don't understand what's wrong with some of you fags where you see a fetch in the command zone and possibly think mana would ever be a problem.
>one of the best mana rocks I've ever used>UB slopWho is a good MTG Character who fits this rock for a in universe proxy.
>>98470368>One person plays spot removal while you keep tapping out every turn into the meat grinder>"Ugh this is just impossible it takes the whole table ganging up to stop it!"
>>98470372Traitor King's Kidney Stone
So I'm trying to kill several birds with one deck:>rarely ever played go-wide aggro>never played an equipment deck>rarely played tribal decks, haven't had one in my roster for years>red is my least played color followed by white>don't have many decks for playing at more casual tablesSo I'm trying to get out of my comfort zone by building a Boros dwarf/equipment deck with the release of the Hobbit. I've narrowed down the commanders to 4 possibilities, would appreciate some input from more experienced Borosfags please. Aiming for bracket 2 so the high cost commanders aren't completely uncastable. >Dwalin, WeaponmasterI like his art the best, he's cheap to cast, and I think his effect is the most unique. No direct dwarf synergy though.>Thorin OakenshieldThematically appropriate to lead the deck, he's cheap and holds equipment well, and he provides a minor bonus that's likely not going to draw the ire of the table.>Dáin of the Ancient HallsDecent curve-topper that pays off having lots of dwarves.>Bifur, Melodic RiderSame reasoning as Dáin basically
>>98470320I think I'm going to try and add more card draw and cut some hits, so that way it ends up evening out. I think dorks are too scary to cut. Cards like season of gathering will be a good toolbox option, and I may try and swing for flawless maneuver as well. I tap out frequently, so also playing close to the edge and running orcish lumberjack might be a sweet option to make the deck come online earlier. I have rebuffed my consideration of Atla Palani. That bitch whispers in my ear like a succubus, but I become very guilty every time I start to put a list together because that card is for fags. Mayael has been my ride or die since day one.
>>98470368I think you're just putting too much value on the RC's logic and the overrepresentation of commanders on EDH rec. Truthfully. I encountered Golos once, I've encountered Cat slut and Ur-Dragon much more, then again, Golos was what? 30 years ago? The game is supposedly bigger than ever. So it might just be a numbers thing.
>>98470372Gay Bolas
>>98470333>You have to literally search their blog for the full justificationWell, wrong. You can search Google and find a TCGplayer article that cites the full reasoning, or if that's not your cup of tea any search along the lines of "why was Golos banned" will give you the reasons I mentioned because they all ultimately derive from tHaT bLoG (which is a stupid autism tick on your end to try to force because the summary you keep trying to force is literally just a quote from that same page, despite you constantly thinking that if you wish hard enough you can divorce the two).>>You can infer the most visible reason for the ban is the one that held the most weight when banning himYou can read what this was by reading the ban announcement you retard.Stop repeating the same defeated argument and acknowledge that this elaboration exists instead of being retarded?>I am now done with youConcession accepted, dipshit.
>>98470401>>98470408>>98470411So-called "free thinking" /edhg/ posters
Personally, all commanders that give you free cast should be banned, they are unfun, every time I sit across from Zhulodok, Etali, Pantlaza, ect ect I just phone it in. I know it is going to be a fucking uphill battle the entire game and I will likely lose or take care of the problem then be killed by the retards who are still around. The free cast commanders are so goddamn good.
>>98470415Don't be mad we free-thinkers arrived at the same conclusion, dip-shit
Didn't read, I'm sure it was some schizo babble.
I can't make a CEDH deck.I mean, my deck is close because it's hard to not like strong cards, but the final hurdle of truly turning it into a soulless win machine is just too high.
>>98470372yeah, make it Bolas's Spirit Gem
>>98470427I put rule of law effects and Vexing Bauble in every deck I can because I am simply tired of these fucking things.
>>98470411>>98470408>>98470401Is Bolas a similar character to Sauron? >>98470379Is SedrisDo wither of them have some relic they use that doesn't already have a card? >>98470441This works.
>>98470375>One person always having removal and, instead of actually advancing his own gameplan, just targets you no matter what you're doing causes you to lose(Again) ignoring that fetching the lands can advance your gamestate passively, this is categorically a stupid way to gauge a commander's power because it's applicable for 99% of commanders out there. If one player decided they want to play removal.dec and focused down you, you're going to struggle with most commanders. That's just how kingmaking works. And even then the problem is mitigated because of the built-in ramp in Golos.>>98470394Nice LARP, but people run Opp Agent now.
>>98470434Fuming
>>98470442The stinger is the retards always think they are the cleverest motherfuckers around or are like "oh, I'm sorry, I just had a good start" . Then if you happen to drop a rule of law effect, every other player starts foaming at the mouth>WHAT DO YOU MEAN I CAN ONLY CAST ONE SPELL A TRUN?!
>>98470442This never works for me because I get jumped by everyone else playing regular Magic.
>Counter the Eltali>Bro come on, I can't even play the game!>Stop all ETBs>Bro what the hell, man that is unfun>Rule of law>Table attacks you and kills you>Kill the Etali player as quickly as you can>Game takes another half hour to finish, Etali player threatens to swap to his "stronger deck"
>>98470493almost like MtG doesn't work as a multiplayer game or something
>>98470450>Ugh, you know, it's just too absurd to expect 3 players to be able to have creature removal in the creature format. Don't you know that if you spend 2 mana on a kill spell against a 9-drop it stops you from doing any development at all?
>>98470514Unironically yes.
>>98470523I'm sorry you're bad at Magic.
>>98470450>I spend 5 mana to cast golos>Cool, I'll cats naturalize EOT>I spend 7 mana to cast Golos>Cool, I cast Abrade EOT>I spend 9 mana to cast golos>Cool, I've wone the game because you kept spending all your mana to cast your commander. Golos is an artifact, he is doubly vulnerable. If someone is spending their turn casting their commander over and over, then they are not going to win. I table with a golos tier commander is either high power or the Golos is pubstomping.
I don't play commander but I want to, should I buy the Miku deck? Then find some online commander group? I read it's good value and print to demand
>>98470532You have to get in early to get the deck before the end of 2027. It is an alright deck. Braindead even, a pretty good starting point.
>>98470532>playing physical decks online
>>98470532The print-to-demand copies won't be shipped for months, probably won't get to you until next year. You're much better off getting a regular precon or spending the money you would have on that Miku deck on custom deck - $150 is plenty to build you a solid first deck, especially if you stick to 1-2 colors so you're not having to drop big $ on a manabase.
>>98470539 (me) with strangers no less
>>98470547I'm a mikufag though
>>98470531>so I sac command beacon and put h im in my handbut generally you're right. still Golos is retarded design for commander
>>98470227Evo Mega Knight {3}{B}{R}Legendary Creature - Giant KnightMenaceWhen Mega Knight enters, he deals 2 damage to each other creature.Whenever Mega Knight becomes blocked by a creature, he deals 2 damage to that creature.4/6
>>98470623Made a card from it. Thanks anon. Very simple design but it really captures him.
>>98470227>Mana and ability costs same as in CRHOLY SOVL
>>98470386Out of all of these R/W hobbit dwarfs, Thorin is the best Voltron commander. If your plan is to ignore most of the other dwarfs in the set and just beat face with good equipment on Thorin, that's one route. It's not a particularly good route, because there's much better Voltron commanders, even just in Boros.Dwalin is unexciting. He adds attack power, and potentially a shit ton of it, but it takes time and setup all to get an effect that isn't as explosive as it needs to be. It just doesn't seem enough to win games. If Bifur were 2 mana cheaper, he'd be the one I'd recommend. But, at 6 mana, he's competing against other 6-drops that can actually win the game. He can probably enable a lot of fun tricks, but he's just too expensive for what he does.Dain with a lot of damage doubling cards could be fun, but not sure just how viable he is. You're gonna want a lot of dwarves, but it's just not that easy to shit out tons of dwarves like it is with goblins/fairies/etc. Overall, he feels like a very Win-more card.
>>98470532You should buy a cheaper precon and not the ultra premium shit you won't get until April of 27.The Avengers precon is really straight forward if marvel doesn't bug you.
>>98470547If you are one color you will instead be dropping big money on staples for that color because you have so few other options.Isn't Nykthos like 40 dollars?
>>98470386I know you said you already narrowed it down but I think the best commanders for Boros go wide dwarves aren't actually in the Standard set. I think the best are the 5 mana Thorin from the scene box, and the 5 mana Dain from the Battle of the Five Armies product (apparently copies of the card will be available via HOB collector boosters).If you want to lean all the way into equipment and less so Dwarves, I would go with Dwalin. He (and Thorin) look great with Bloodstained Battle-Axe or any other way of making multiple equipment. If only Bifur was a 4 mana 2/3 he would be the perfect commander for this list. But alas.
>>98470386this guy can make Lightning Greaves and Trailblazer's Boots give extra attack lol that's pretty funny
>>98470676But anon, I'm a unapologetic weeb. The thing is that I do want to buy the deck as an collectible, the issue is that I don't know if there's a way I can play with it since I don't like the idea playing magic IRL.
wat 2hu ub u commander?
>>98470514>it stops you from doing any development at all?It doesn't stop your development because you're still getting lands, retard.You keep ignoring this point because you don't have a couterargument.
>>98470531>>Cool, I've lost the game because there's three people here and I spent all of my removal hating you out of the game.Fixed that last line for you, retard.You're seriously roleplaying if you keep forgetting that this is a multiplayer format.
>>98470736Casting your commander repeatedly while others play the game is not development—That's cuckoldry.
>>98470743What does Golos do when he enters the battlefield, retard-kun?
>>98470741>Hey other players, I promise I will not target your stuff. I am just going to kill Golos over and over, Ya'll cool with that?
>>98470748Die.
>Keep greedy hand to power out commander>Commander dies and now greedy player is hellbent>Miss land dropDon't be this player.
>>98470751Anon, all of your arguments so ar are boiling down to "if you spend a million removal spells on (X), muliple players help deal with it, and the person running (X) doesn't have any interaction, then it's beatable!"Please, name one card, banned or otherwise, where these retarded tailor-made hypotheticals don't also apply.
>>98470771This would never happen to me because all my commanders fucking suck and are not even worth a removal spell.
>>98470771>building your deck were it's feast or famine depending on the commanderGreedy hand was the second mistake, young grasshopper.
>>98470771I want my 'mander in the 'yard
>>98470774>A million removal spellsAll it takes is one to timewalk a player. If your deck relies on your commander and it dies the second it touches the board and you have to spend another turn casting it, then you have been setback. Golos is not a good example for this because he is venerable to twice the number of removal spells that cost less than 2 mana. You'll say some gay shit like>hurr golos tutors a landCommander tax is two mana and as has been said, if you are spending your entire game casting your commander every turn, then you are not going to win unless you are playing absolute tards. No one is saying Golos is weak, but acting like he personally raped you is retarded. You also miss the point, you assume the Golos player will always land their land drop their turn and be able to recast him instantly, when that is not the case.
>>98469980>>98470350If you got money to burn then exquisite bond, bloodthirsty conqueror, and sheoldred, the apocalypse could be options. Extort cards in your colors like pontiff of blight and crypt ghast could also help if you don't have autism about the reminder text loophole. You could also consider blood artist and similar effects like falkenrath noble since those work around creature sacrifice which complements Edea's gimmick. And there's always the classic exsanguinate for a big amount.
>>98470793>bloodthirsty conquerorOh, that's a good one and he is not legendary so Kethek finds it. >pontiff of blightAlso good and also not legendary, nice. I find once I resolve Edea and a few clones, I tend to have a ton of mana left over> sheoldred, the apocalypseI considered her, but she turns me into enemy number one unless something bigger is out. Right now my deck flies under the radar because I don't actually play many threats that draw attention and I attack players other then the creatures owners of stuff I steal plus there is no risk if the creature dies under my control so people don't freak out as much when I steal something for a turn. Thanks anon.
>>98467843moominvalley
>>98470493>Rule of law>Table attacks you and kills youThat's a deserved response.
which of the dual swords do you think is the best one? and which is the worst one?
when I need to choose a player to attack when there's no priority targets I don't use dice, I choose depending on their commanders' color identities1. blue2. white3. green4. red5. black
>>98470898The best is a tossup between forge and frontier and feast and famine. The worst one is probably body and mind because it is meh at best and actively detrimental at worst.
>>98469643Got his ass
>>98470904But that's the inverse of rhe color strebgtha for commander (maybe swap green and red).
When's the last time a mill deck did something other than actively help a player win by filling their yard? I've not seen a mill deck win in edh in 15+ years. I admire mill players honestly, their win rate has to be in the negatives.
>>98470898Best, between Feast and Famine and Fire and IceWorst: Between Sword of War and Peace and Sword of Sinew and Steel. War and Peace abilities would only get the most benefit in power levels where people have giant hands, but if they have giant hand they're probably comboing off before you can even atack.Sinew and Steel only half works really. You can blow up sol rings sure, but you're just going to draw heat for doing so.
>>98470974Sword of hearth and home is underrated. Getting a untapped land and a flicker every combat is strong, protection from white hits a significant number of removal.
>>98470983Its not underrated. Its the 3rd best sword. I just think discard and all you lands back, and damage and draw is just over all better at baseline.
>>98469643HEYO
>>98470790>All it takes is one to timewalk a playerI'm going to assume you mean "Time Warp" because, yeah, you should be able to beat someone if you're cheating the Power 9 in your deck. This isn't even a good point with that correction; you figured out that if you chain extra turns you can beat a player. That's not an argument, that's just how combo works.>if you are spending your entire game casting your commander every turnThis doesn't work because there's nothing actually forcing a Golos player to only cast their commander. The point of my earlier hypothetical was to show that Golos can't be bullied out of the game through commander tax, which was !1! problem with it. There's nothing stopping the person running Golos from pivoting into whatever other threat they want after after they've fetched what they need (usually only once or twice), easily feasible since your entire gameplan is burning removal and card advantage on a deckthinner in the command zone.This type of argument is one that I'm tired of seeing on this general too, that a card isn't powerful because someone can run it like a retard. Do you only play with shitters who have literally never seen a Swords to Plowshares before? What happens when you play with someone above your double-digit IQ floor that knows how to run a fucking Dispel or any other protection?>but acting like he personally raped you is retarded.Smarm to hide you don't know card evaluation.>You also miss the point, you assume the Golos player will always land their land drop their turn and be able to recast him instantly, when that is not the caseForemost, that's not even a consistent counterargument because Temple of the False God and Ancient Tomb exist. Second, it's really shitty of you to judge having an extra land in hand as extraordinary while simultaneously constantly relying on these imaginary games where everyone has multiple removal spells all lined up and nobody is playing any other threats worth spending them on.
>>98470947it's not about color strength but how boring I find each color to play against
I can't wait for mystery commanders to come out, I want to build Jester and Istvan decks
>>98471007>I'm going to assume you mean "Time Warp" because, yeah, you should be able to beat someone if you're cheating the Power 9 in your deck. This isn't even a good point with that correction; you figured out that if you chain extra turns you can beat a player. That's not an argument, that's just how combo works.AHH SECONDARY NEWFAG ALERTway to out yourself bitch
>>98471035>Excited to pay 100 dollars for draft chaff commanders, or to look like a fool who paid 100 dollars for draft chaff commanders buying from chang
>>98471013Fair.
>>98471040https://scryfall.com/card/lea/83/time-walk
>>98471053Time walk is MAGIC TERMINOLOGY newfag-kun. It means you made a play that nullified your opponent's turn.
>>98471046they'll be pennies
>>98471068yeah, they aren't very strong
>>98471068WRONG!Supply and demand.
>>98471058https://www.google.com/search?q=%22time+walk+a+player%22&oq=%22time+walk+a+player%22If it's such a widely-used term surely there'd actually be people saying it.
>all those nephilim bought on tcgplayer this weekHoly shit people weren't kidding all this time when they said they wanted a Nephilim commander.
>>98471077Try "time walk yourself" or "time walk your opponent" newfag. Did you just start with Final Fantasy, champ?
>>98471040even secondary newfags know what that means though, t. secondary newfag
>>98470898I'm a big sucker for hearth and home, but I am a fligger nigger.>>98470913Body and Mind is still the best in limited, no question.
>>98471081Good thing I once again missed getting cool cards cheap because I thought they'd never get support so I put off buying
>>98471106The prices haven't changed much yet.
>>98470372how is that UB slob? Magic is majorly influenced by LOTR.... goofy ah take
>>98471112All UB is slop.
>>98471111Foils all got bought out though
>>98471112not only is lotr UB slop but Forgotten Realms is also UB slop
>>98471096>No capsSamefag.>>98471092You've completely lost whatever whatever argument you're trying to make and are so desperate to justify your malding that you're trying these gay-ass gotchas.It is funny though, because consistently, the only people I found using that term in the past 10 years are Redditors and premodern faggots. (i.e. https://premodernmagic.com/blog/just-potatoes-in-madrid-a-weekend-story/)Which in itself is funny and telling, given how many of your earlier arguments rely on the mindset of somebody playing 1-v-1.So, no u.And if I'm wrong, you're welcome to post a photo of the last deck you built with timestamp.
>>98471143>secondary babblingLike I said, Final Fantasy must've been a great set for you.
>>98471143bait or melty call it
>>98471147>>98471151>He's damage controlingSounds like I'm over target.
>>98471147it's too late for gatekeeping, let it go
>>98467843>RealisticDevil May Cry.>Unrealistic bullshit that will never ever happenTypemoon.
>>98471127Even if Hobbit/Lord of the Rings directly inspired Magic, and you still want to call it "Universe Beyond" (which is a crazy take), DnD/Forgotten Realms is legit 2nd party to MTG...and also directly inspired MTG and was meant as a game to be played when not in a DnD session
>>98471058Nobody even says that here
>>98471117lord of the rings is the major precursor to magic the gathering. so its not considered "UB", rather, "source material". Same with the DnD crossover sets that replaced the core sets a couple years ago.
>>98471081I find it funny that since there are only 5 other Nephilim the deck is essentially Changeling tribal
who's getting reading for a Hobbit Draft? Gleaming Splendor lets goooooooooooooo
>>98471174I am going to do so bad tonight>feel super out of it and experiencing lethargy and derealization>didn't really read the spoilers or go over the set at all
Sketching sexy witches and their spirit cats
>>98471143>Samefagwell, nobut I also don't think that playing your Golos into removal counts as getting timewalked / timewalking yourself though. you play him from the cz and you still presumably made your draw for turn and your land drop, so that's one strike against it. and furthermore his etb means that you at least ramped one and if you have better lands in your deck like I dunno a Temple of the False God, then you probably achieved more than that.but also, I may be a newfag but I'm also not too new to recognize that when people say you timewalked yourself, they're usually exaggerating. so this is a pretty use case for the term actually lol
>>98471174>Retards actually think this card will be worth a damn
>>98471162That's because half of EDH players started after Universes Beyond.
>>98471124They are, and have been for a long while, horrendously expensive.
>>98471166Is that why I see LOTR shit on scryfall when I seach with "-is:ub"? Fucking hell I want to kill myself and all of your and everyone else. Why can't we just have a degree of separation for FUCKS sake.
>>98471174I fucking hate playing draft. But I am interested in seeing how well Gleaming Splendor actually does.
>>98471180I really didnt go over much spoilers myself. I just want the one Smaug card and Gleaming Splendor and from what I've seen white isnt a complete piece of shit. so I'm gonna probably for for white + red. plus the ponies make for mana fixing and ramp so playing off-green is safe. wish I could get a one ring too but I don't think thats possible outside of Collectors?>>98471189I'm not hoping to pull it to make money I'm hoping to get it for a commander deck so I don't have to buy it
>>98471202Oh, nm, it was just the new set that hadn't been updated yet. Lotr is still UB. Thank fuck. Fuck off. >>98471166
>>98471202I dont know scryfall is made by and for troon groomers so, no clue there champ
>>98471194I mean I can understand $20-$30 for older foil rares but they're legit being bought out and you have those cheeky faggots listing them for $1000
>>98471161It does not take place anywhere within the Magic the Gathering universe, so it is not in-universe, so it is universes beyond, regardless how WotC catigories it.
>>98471081I randomly bought the "glint eye" (grixis + green) one just for the lulz 3 or 4 days before they announced that commander
>>98471228thats how I categorize and what is true and factual. goblins and elves and the red dragons and all that shit whether its inspired by Knights of the Round & King Arthur from 900 years ago or Hobbit & Lord of the Rings or Dungeons & Dragons (even Legends being from people's own DnD campaigns)...these things are all source material for MTG.
>>98471185Fair enough on the samefag part. I got too jumpy.
>>98471171It's incredibly retarded. It should have just been a colorless rulebreaker card that allowed a nonlegendary nephilim without changeling to be in rhe commabd zone with it.Or a 0 mana instant that let you fetch a non-changling nephilim from any zone to your hand.
how do you guys feel about playing with proxies?
>>98471007You just outed yourself as a retard.
>the literal sperg at the table wants to play without being interacted with>bitches and complains when you remove his shit>won the previous game because no one removed his shitSo tiresome. Some people just got to the LGS to play solitaire and don't have fun unless they win
>>98471251Only faggots are anti-proxy
>>98471220I hvae market prices up that high, so someone somewhere is buying them for that.
>>98471143melty. Newfag outed himself as not only new to /edhg/ but new to MTG
>>98471256Probably someone buying from their own storefront to manipulate the market like we see every time this kind of shit happens.
>>98471254My friend does this constantly if you stop him from doing the thing he complains for a few turns then scoops
>>98471254they should play vintage instead
>>98471251Proxies?Don't care. In fact i do it.Counterfeits?You're a faggot.
What cards should I snap up from the hobbit for my abzan frodo/sam foodmaxxing deck? All I can think of is grabbing a lotho and mithril coat while they're cheap.
btw I searched the archive for "timewalk yourself" and "time walk yourself" and found 34 uses going back to 2010. which to be honest is fewer than I expected to find.
>>98471235I don't know how you can possibly justify that. All LotR is to MtG is inspiration. Are we going to say egyptian civilization is canon to MtG because Amonkhet exists? Or the whole of the Cyberpunk franchise is canon to MtG because Beon Dynasty exists? Come on.
>>98467843Castlevania would be nice.>different generations of belmonts>non-belmont protagonists and assisting characters>variety of ghouls, creatures, monsters and regular bosses>death and dracula
I played in a pod with a jittery guy, was nice overall but he kept taking back his plays and spoke really fast, maybe he was on cocaine, or he was just anxious>>98471265sounds like he's easily discouraged
>>98471271this seems like an obvious inclusion.
>>98471271there's only supper for spiders so supper for spiders
>>98471261I don't see a deck, secondary. Do you even have a premodern deck, or is that a roleplay too, toskinigger?
>>98471280I would agree but he does that if you counter or stop liteally anything. It's free reigns if he does it though
>>98471251>reserve list>artificial scarcity>refusal to mass reprint staplesYeah everyone should be using proxies.
>>98471273yeas, and they all are about roughly the same concepts>Setting yourself back so hard it is tantamount to skipping you turn. Which fits exactly with how OG time walk going to be worded or somthing iirc>target player loses their next turn
>>98471273It's not used outside of magic hipsters.
I like temporal extortion, it's "I get a Time Warp for 1 less or an opponent loses on average 15 life." It's a good one
>>98471281this has zero synergy with academy manufactor right
>>98471271As many of these as you can. This card is insane.
>>98471280Someone got mad at me for taking back a land drop.>start turn>play land>look at hand>realize I have a landfall effect in hand>take land drop back>play landfall effect first>end up winning later that turn>someone gets upsetI'd get it if I had done something that gains information. But I just put down the land then put it back.
>>98471318Pretty sure it would make 2 clues, 2 treasures, and 2 food each time it proc'd. It wouldn't end up going infinite with itself.
>>98471322at my lgs the house rule is "you can takeback as long as nobody has responded or the phase didn't change, or you're taking far too much time" and I agree, in my opinion you didn't do nothing bad
>>98471322On board with this until "I realized I had a landfall trigger."Now I am against you for being a landslopper and I am requesting that you kill yourself.
>>98471265Well this one is a literal sperg with the worst table etiquette you can imagine short of eating or touching other peoples shit without asking. Just not paying attention, having really loud almost-shouting conversations with people at other tables, shaking his fucking leg and rocking the table. Absolutely gleeful and giddy when he's winning and you can't stop him because you don't have it, but vindictive and fucking spiteful if you remove anything on his board even if it was ultimately inconsequential
>>98471322If I was at that table with my pod, it wouldn't have went down like it did. There would have been a lot of blood in that lgs and then me saying, "OK, we're going to play somewhere safely, don't worry."
>>98471295being a sore loser is a pity, even if you've just lost a card and not the game, especially for the sore player since he can't enjoy the game as much as he could
>>98471281Yeah he looks dope>>98471285Looks like a fun hoser for wipes, thanks.>>98471319This feels like such a generic goodstuff card and they're kind of pricy right now. I mostly want to keep the deck lotr and food focused, I get tired of playing with and against staple piles.
>>98471322I wouldn't bust your balls for the first time it happened at the table, but landfall is literally the easiest trigger to keep track of. Especially if your deck runs around it (which, its landfall, I'm 9/10 sure it does) sequence your shit correctly.
>>98467843World of Warcraft. As a 22 year WoW player or just Warcraft in general.They recently partnered with WoW with DND. It MIGHT happen.
>>98468892Jesus is White/Green/BlueSatan is Black/Red/WhiteGod is colorless
>>98471365it would be cool, they even have artwork from hearthstone so it could speed up development
>>98471382>artwork from hearthstoneew no
>>98471386oh come on, not all of it is bad
>>98468858based
>>98471386>>98471382some of it was alright
>>98471365>we get a blizzard UB set>it's fucking overwatch
>>98471398This is art from nearly 20 years ago (they removed it from the game for being too sexual btw). Early HS art used mostly art from the TCG which is why it was good. Once they started doing new art it got really goofy and safe.
>>98471398This is a sexy anime women. Magic would never. You can tell she has ass cheeks!
>>98471391well my ew no reaction was based off the modern slop art / DEI shit.I agree the older hearthstone art (pre censorship) was good.
>check Hobbit scryfall full preview>can't find any good legendaries to be as a commanderit just me? they all seem so bland and flavourless.
>>98471425Most new legendaries are bland and flavorless.
>>98471425I think so too
>>98471425Nearly all the good cards in this set are for the 99. The 3 color elf dude is like the only one that feels like it was designed to be a commander.
>>98471425Almost like wotc is running out of ideas after printing 20,000 potential commanders in the past 5 years.
>>98471438the blue green mana battery elf only in collector boosters is the only one thats kinda interesting.
>>98471425queen of dalea couple of the smaugsthe trollsthe weird scene box gandalf that cares about legendary wizardsthe sulltai elf guyI think it has some cool 'mandersweirdly, even though DWARF-QUIPMENT got about 20 new cards, none of those cards seem to be a slam dunk in the cz for the dwarf/equipment theme
>>98471425All the legendary goblins are just to be in the 99 of The great goblin. Which, is to be expected, but still.
Should I build this? yeah i have deathtouch and make everyone sac shit + no one touches my commander out of fear.lol lmao at peoplebut how does it win?>poison countersyou only get 2-3 on people and hope to prof to 10 on them? its slow. also no ones gonna remove ur commander for 5 poison unless they have balls.>a bunch of cards where "if a creature dies, they take 1 and u gain 1"i guess?
>MORGOTH, I CRIED>ALL HOPE IS GONE, BUT I SWEAR REVENGE>HEAR MY OATH:>I WILL TAKE PART IN YOUR DAMNED FATEcommanders for this vibe?
>>98471365would you play something like Leeroy Jenkins RRLegendary Creature - Human Berserker (Rare)HasteWhen Leeroy enters, each opponent creates two 1/1 red Dragon creature tokens with flying."At least I got chicken."6/2
>>98471465Serpent Society seems like a nutty card until you build a deck around it and realize filing your deck with a bunch of deathtouchers isn't very strong.His ward is like a bad version of hexproof. Everyone gets to target him once.
>>98471473YESAlso Professor Putricide
>>98471468pity Feanor hasn't been printed
>>98471473It would be interesting to see if Wizards would actually make unique WoW cards or just turn a bunch of HS cards into Magic cards.
>>98471489this is transphobic
>>98471271>make a nice little list of 15~ cool hobbit cards for my lotr comfy deck>think about maybe upgraded frodo/sam to the fancy silver foil version cus I like this deck and I deserve a little treat>nearly $200 for both>know full well that they'll only continue going up in price because UB is pseudo RLEven with the literal only UB I support and enjoy, to the point I made a lotr printing only deck for vibes, I suffer. No way wotc will force a third lotr set, right... Right? And if they do, negative chance it'll actually give a decent amount of reprints for the popular cards of previous sets, right?
>>98471496it would most likely be the latter
>>98471502>2 drop commander>intended to do anything only after you've spent at least like 10 manaweird
>>98471473The Lich KingBlack/Blue, 5 mana, 5/5Ward 1, Vigilance, Reace, MenaceDefile: At the beginning of Combat, The Lich King deals 1 damage to all opponents creatures. This damage increases by 1 each turn The Lich King is in play.Trapped inside Frostmourne: Whenever The Lich King attacks and isn't blocked, Entrap an enemy creature inside Frostmourne. An Opponent must pay 3 Mana to free their creature from the prison.
>>98471502that card frame could have been better without all that black space around the image
>>98471279While it would kick ass i would be obligated to make like 9 Voltron decks for the Belmont clan and I'm not made of money
>>98471518Frodo/Sam has a pretty repetitive turn 1-4 but after that you can do silly things with insane life gain and draw. People forget you exist until you suddenly have 90 life, 20 mana availible and 14 cards in hand in the late game.>>98471528They look way better in person, they have that old ass kids fantasy novel vibe and I really dig that. I have some of the cheaper silver foil cards like Many Partings and The Ring Goes South in the deck and they look nice.The "ring vision" border cards look fucking dogshit though.
apparently, he can now copy some mana rocks, if they have a cost to their add mana abilities. Like now he can Standing Stones.No idea how that really helps him, but sure people can fine some degenerate shit.
>>98471525Defile could be a cumulative upkeep trigger to make it simpler, perhaps?
>>98471657Anon's whole pitch is written in hearthstone wording. It needs to be translated to mtg in its entirety.
>>98468004Wait, Premodern doesn't even use Classic Six Edition rules? What's the fucking point of the format then?
>8 hours of vivi in pod>spellslinger showdowns, vs stompy, vs tokens, some other archetypes too over the evening>end of 7th hour people still try to be "fair" and not just jump him even with stompy decks out>double mana gey, strix lute, what other "crap pile" there was >meanwhile if i try to untap with tellah and a manarock im shot on sight>notably i did throw sometimes being greedy with my trigger instead of waiting with counterspelli just wanna vent really. i hate being removal police and still have at least 2vs1 on me at all times because im the guy that plays technical decks, know the rules minutiae and acrewed some pod infamy due to it
>>98471628He can now copy milikin's ability, which can lead to paying for ulalek's triggered ability if copied a few of times. Since milling a card is a part of milikin's cost, the milling doesn't get copied, just the mana.
who would make for a good faenor deck? lathril?
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>>98471496IM IN CHARGE NOW
>>98471777>What's the fucking point of the format then?Desperately trying to hold value of older cards that everyone just proxies.
>>98471914Oh so you technically can't even use reprints of old cards? I was wondering why DoJ was so much for its first printing for a bulk rare.
>>98471981Nah you can still use reprints but the format has reserve list shit like Survival of the Fittest that some fuckass collector working for Wizards wants to keep going up in value.
>>98471981me on the left
>>98471999Checked and what a weird format.
>>98471777>What's the fucking point of the format then?I don't get it either. It will never have new cards to use, ergo, its a solved format. Barring some genius finding some lost hidden combo, there are best decks that will always be the best decks. So what is the point?
>>98472072It's a fun format to play casually with friends who want to brew cheap shit decks. But ya I'd never want to go to a tournament. I have a really fun Than Golem deck I built for Premod that I enjoy playing.
is monoblack arabella a meme or just a dream
>Upload a deck to archideck>98 cards>I've been missing 2 cards for nearly 4 yearsholy shit. I have no idea what they could have been.
>>98471578>>98471578new thread because the baker forgot to link it
