Baked From Mobile EditionPrevious: >>98471578>Newshttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-banned-and-restricted-february-9-2026https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-february-9-2026>Current Banlisthttps://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned>Bracket Informationhttps://files.catbox.moe/4tbvzw.pnghttps://files.catbox.moe/r62yfy.png>Former Commander Website: Learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committeehttps://mtgcommander.net>Card Searchhttps://scryfall.com>Card Statistics: See what everyone else puts in their Commander decks based on what is posted to the Internethttps://www.edhrec.com>Deck List Sites: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choiceshttps://www.archidekt.comhttps://www.moxfield.com>Manabase Information: Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identityhttps://managathering.com>Proxy Guidehttps://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM>Preconshttps://magicprecons.comTQ: When does a 'pet deck' turn into a 'sweat deck' in your opinion?
Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)
UNBAN MY ZESTY ELF YOU WOTC FUCKS!
>>98477030is this the first of this cycle that's playable? imo
>>98477041I hope they never do, and you end your life in the next few years.
wait, this is real? I thought this was a meme reason. What the fuck.
How is Glarb? I want a comfy graveyard deck without infinites that focuses on bringing back big stuff that I can also throw the FF14 and Titania meld cards in
I've become obsessed with yet another random card and am trying to minmax it what's the best home for Essence Anchor OTHER than the precon Teval? So far I've thought of a Matoya that plays a bunch of flashback cards, but I can't really think of a way to turn that into a win.And I've also thought of... standard set Teval.
>>98477041>reserved listAny argument for rofellos is really an argument for og duals being reprintedIn the meantime just play the half elf (half guado) version of kinnan
>>98477066>bracket 1 can have two-card win conditions if they're thematic>bracket 2 cannotbracket 1 confirmed more powerful than bracket 2.
>>98477049That's not very nice.
>>98477078Making distinctions between 2 and 3 card combos is a fool's errand, just look at how people define sanguine exquisite and dualcaster combosThe point has always been *when* you combo off, not *what* your combo is
>>98477066>Oct 25this shit is almost a year old.
>>98477075Only Final Fantasy could produce a character more retarded looking than Kinnian.Almost anything should have been a glow up from the fat retarded mestizo, but look at this fucking drag queen and his purple Trunks hair! Bro looks like he should be enrolling with the Prismari
>>98477071Was that card supposed to be a goatse reference?
When wizards gets rid of the reserve list, you will know the game is about to die and its their last gasp attempt to save it.
>>98477106elon please
>>98477106Literally all it would take is a higherup at Hasbro to actually understand the game of Magic and the reserve list is gone immediately.
>>98477030this goofy ah bird won me 2 different games hahahes got a dwarves shortsword (reprint in Elder Scrolls UB 2028?) and swinging for 2 in the air>>98477066thats somewhat old the newest update is February 2026. but still only maybe half or less of people play by it IRL and maybe 2/3 on MODO. and people still abuse it, so it doesn't replace the rule 0 about. power level (ie, does your deck have stuff like a mox diamond and grim monolith in it?, no? ok I'll play a mid power deck)>>98477101Seymour is a literal savage monster who steals your girl in Final Fantasy X and forces her to marry him, which is just after he blows up one of the other "waifus" entire home city. not exactly a drag queen>pic rel is not even his final form, about 2/3 the way through the game
>>98477105yes
>>98477139always found that fight a bit of an anticlimax. like "oh... guess we'll fight him again later"
Is my beloved Edea deck truly B2? I've had a few pods get salty because "all it does is steal other peoples stuff" https://archidekt.com/decks/24465407/edea_is_cute
Are there any good Nissa Nahiri Chandra or Liliana that I can use as a commander?
>>98477139>Seymour is a literal savage monster who steals your girl in Final Fantasy X and forces her to marry him, which is just after he blows up one of the other "waifus" entire home city. not exactly a drag queenHe could be Julius Caeser in terms of feats, he dresses like an entire cornucopia of fruit. Granted, this is FF, so many such cases. The 10-2 guy is even more ridiculous if I remember correctly.
>>98477137Everyone knows the RL needs to go, wotc just cant muster the legal cajones to do itMaybe hasbro will force them, who knowsWith proxying cardboard easier than ever it only makes sense to resell the authentic article, picrel
>>98477137If someone explained to a Hasbro higherup that the reserve list is like saying "we are never printing another Charizard card again" they would abolish the list on the spot and probably kill several people at WotC in the same day.
The Hasbro "Higher Ups" are all likely old guard who have large stocks of RL cards. The day they remove the RL is the day most of them decide to retire
>>98477137>Understand the RLThey already do.99% of cards in UB are RL.Some SLD, the mechanically unique ones are RL. Special prints are soft RL.Hasbro has scores of limited run collector toys that are one and done and will never be made again. Hasbro very much understands what the RL is. "B-but my precon would work better with RL, so you should reprint them!" isn't going to be a compelling argument to them.I think it should be abolished, but I'm just a realist.
>>98477177>Hasbro has scores of limited run collector toys that are one and done and will never be made again.The actual comparison would be if Hasbro never released another product from that IP again. Not>we stopped selling these power rangersbut>we stopped selling power rangers entirely.
Not releasing some RL is just tossing money away and it always will be as long as the most popular format is one in which real cards are optional.
>>98477101If only you knew how bad things really are
>>98477181How is that apt when they keep making magic cards same as they keep making power rangers?Also, hasbro has stopped toy lines before. This is actually a very nonsensical comparison.
>>98477184How is it tossing money away? Are the rights to black lotus going to expire if they don't reprint it? They could make money with it sure. They could also lose a lot of money my turning away collectors who will stop collecting because now their collections are worth a lot less."I want thing" is not a good enough reason for them to do it, they are making more than enough money of magic as is.
>>98477177>99% of cards in UB are RL.They literally just reprinted nearly all the best LotR cards in The Hobbit through bonus sheet or collector packs.
>>98477196>How is it tossing money away?I don't think you can fathom how record breaking a new set would sell if it had a good RL card reprinted in it.
>>98477196Because you aren't selling the thing and others are. Pretty basic.
>>98477199They got the IP back, so they could. That doesn't make it some ironclad rule that they always will, or can.Like 20 or so cards in all of UB we have had so far is very much 1%.
>>98477196>turning away collectors who will stop collecting because now their collections are worth a lot less.Every other long running card game has already proven that old cards still hold value no matter how many reprints they get.
>>98477185>>98477153yeah this is an actually trash homo-ish villain. (reminder that FF9 sucks!!!!!)
>>98477210NOOOO MY LOTUS WILL GO FROM A MILLION TO 900K
>>98477145I dont know how I missed that card but thats actually a nice inclusion for +1 counters and draw to in a mid to lower power commander deck. especially something that moves counters around. thanks for posting thatwhen I first played the game as a teen in the mid 00's it was hard as fuck. Yunalesca soft locked me for awhile too. but as an adult I found it worked out alright.
>>98477225FFIX is in the top 3. Reminder to kill yourself.
>>98477206The fact that they CAN reprint UB stuff, even if it's unsure how or when they'll do reprints, already helps keep UB prices from skyrocketing to the moon.Even if UB stuff was confirmed to basically be RL, there would still be way way way WAAAAAY more prinntings of those cards in circulation than there are actual RL cards.
Anyone smarter than me want to help me with a bit of math? I'm considering Glamdring for a deck and was wondering what the rates of hitting cards off of the adventure side of it would be in a deck with 37 instants and sorceries. Like, how likely am I to wiff, get 1 card, 2 cards, etc.
>>98477254Ask grok
>>98477251Reminder this was confirmed day 1 to be getting a reprint but is still 180 dollars or some shit
>>98477254You'll have a little more than 66% chance to hit at least one instant or sorcery from 100 cards. That chance goes up as your deck thins and you have fewer non-instant or sorceries, or could go down if you cast more of your instants and sorceries before hitting Glamdring. It's all depended on when Glamdring comes out and what the state of your deck is at the time.But for the most part, it's a 2/3's chance to hit something. So the odds are in your favor.
Fun fact: 90% of FOMO consumer spending is replicated by a 3-month exclusivity period and it's almost completely mirrored by a 1-year exclusivity period (<0.1% difference from permanent exclusivity)
>>98477248Hi Gavin
is gleaming splendor really going to be 35 bux? I put it in my breena deck a few weeks ago but that's too much
>>98477294Gay dragon market force is too strong
>>98477271And yet virtually no one does this. I can't even think of something that does this. It is ALWAYS>Get it now or it is gone foreveror>get it now OR we MIGHT re-release it in a decade if you want to roll the dice
>>98477068Glarb is cEDH-tier but in a very sleeper way so he's very easy to chill with.
>>98477313>Play off the top of the deck with free information and be able to pitch to dig or fill the graveyard>Sleeper Nigga he is anything but sleeper.
>>98477321You say this but most players couldn't tell you why Tymna the Weaver is a good card.
>>98477248How can that be when the top 3 are 1, 2 and 3?
>>98477327why is it a good card other than partner
>>98477327I know it's a good card because [youtuber] said it's cee eee dee ayche.
>>98477356Noncommittal draw engine with good colors enhanced further by Partner allowing it access to two more good colors on another noncommittal resource engine. Half of what made Partner such a busted mechanic once the 2c partners dropped is the fact that they all basically take no investment to pay off (because they were intentionally designed to be generic accounting for the fact that if they weren't, it would undermine the notion they could all be paired with each other) so the rest of your deck is free to do whatever. Putting them in good colors is what pushed it over the edge into top-tier cEDH. Even "bad" ones like Ishai don't require you to do anything notable once they resolve to become a problem.
>>98477327People are so wrong and so bad at card evaluation here I have expect the candle goober to end up being a mid tier cedh commander.
>>98477393Technically any commander can be cedh since most decks don't ever cast the commander unless it provides basic cheap utility or is a combo piece.
>>98477393That commander is unplayable because everyone will agree to play fair with each other and not bet any life
>>98477398That's most commanders now. 5c Hermit Druid as it used to be (never playing the commander and just using it for colors) got powercrept out by 5c commanders (and ironically, 4c partner pairs) that actually provide resources.
>>98477401I'm pretty sure there could be some retardation in cEDH where it forces a tie because if you reveal something good, a player can hold the game hostage by threatening to bid a million and waste the freecast if you don't agree to a draw.
>>98477231>I dont know how I missed that cardbecause it's from the starter decks lol. Same as this guy.>thats actually a nice inclusion for +1 counters and draw to in a mid to lower power commander deckyeah it's like a 35 cent, worse Phyrexian Arena in most ways but it plays really nicely with Hollowmurk Siege and some golgari commanders that care about that sort of thing.
>>98477405Yeah but everyone will always cooperate.That's what this thread said. The card doesn't work because the other 3 will work together rather than greedily fight for card advantage.
>>98477401>Agree to not pay anythingSure, but some cards are just too good to not bet on, especially the higher the level of the game goes.Considering you see that cards before you bet, yeah. I'd bet for minds eye diamond or rhystic or some other high value piece.>>98477408Card advantage makes you win though.
>>98477408I actually do agree with the thread in its assessment that the commander is comically bad because realistically people aren't going to be bidding much for a Rampant Growth and if you ever flip a bomb you just lose the game unless someone bids 39 into Lightning Bolt.
>>98477412>they cast the bombI counter it with the 20 counterspells in my deckOk
>>98477413Yes anon you're very clever.
>>98477413I counter the counterGo next? :)
>>98477248fuckin hell nah. top 3 is ff5, ffx and ff7. edge lords since 1997 have been trying to deny ff7 being GOATed but its true. ff9 is complete trash and slow as fuck, removes all the charm of the old high fantasy style and its ability system is dog shit compared to materia or junction system. so its the worst of all worlds. and SLOW as fuckplus ffX that has no true open world feels more open world than 9's limited crap. take a hike jack. NEXT
>>98477254I pulled this card in my pre release kit and I think it sucks
>>98477419jack? like jack garland? the one who wants to KILL CHAOS?
>>98477422>jack? like jack garland? the one who wants to KILL CHAOS?I only know one thing: I want to kill Chaos
>>98477419Bullshit.
>>98477419>>98477419>removes all the charm of the old high fantasy styleAre you medically retarded? It fulfills the intent of the high fantasy style. It is the culmination of what FF was trying to be. It's the last of its kind before X went full abstract anime. It is a reflection and distillation of what made FF, FF.Yes it's slow, I get it. It's not for ticktock enjoyers. It has flaws. It also has the most well crafted story in the series, on par with X and VII. One of the most coherently designed worlds, that isn't random concepts slopped together. The cast is one of the best in the series. Truly distinct, memorable characters that are more than differently flavored high school students.The lack of a job system is a good thing. Jobs are fun, sure, but when each character has their role set they are much more important in combat and in narrative expression. It makes it all the more meaningful.It has the best soundtrack of any FF, that's not contestable.
>>98477406that sephiroth I bought as a single on MTGO. but never saw Seymour flux online or in any of the FF boosters I've opened in paper. and last month I got that sam's club deck builder's kit with 6 FF boosters. so it makes sense. but I usually try to find weird stuff like that. like the jumpstart exclusive banger cards. either way yeah definitely worse phyrexian arena but useful in other ways. just strange it doesn't have flying. I understand from a card design stand point but flavor/ accuracy-wise its strange
>>98477406>>98477452He's pretty good, one of my top 5 Commanders.
>>98477457Besides the Atraxa Sephiroth's 350$ card, is there a Jenova card?
>>98477449I dont think it executed the high fantasy style of the 8 and 16 bit games that great. I don't know anything about tiktok I'm 35 and have been playing final fantasy since 2000 (which I asked for ff9 for xmas and changed my mind and got ff7 instead, a vastly superior and timeless game). I dont think ff8 is much better than 9 but the junctioning system is incredible compared to the equip ability sloppa. I dont think the world is that greatly crafted. I dont think all the characters are that great either, like pic related. soundtrack is pretty good but not better than 7 or 10 in my opinion. and then yeah of course just the snails pace gameplay AND story pace. and I dont think any FF after 10 is worth playing this is all being judged of the core games 1-10. I like Garnet, I like MONKE Zidane, and of course Vivi is a legend. Kuja has to be the worst FF villain though. just not a great story around him and it didnt connect for me. Steiner is somewhat likable but also very cringey. can't stand the dragoon thing that ripped off the red mage's style while you get no red mage character. 2 white mage summoners is stupid. I like ff5, ff7 and ffx (particularly international sphere grid version) for being able to craft the characters the way I want. other games with stricter character roles like ff4 pull this off a lot better IMO.
>>98477457ballin yeah I'm who posted my Smaug pull. that Gandalf is very sick. i'd like get a gift bundle when they drop for another collector booster I just really can't justify $55 for it (and then they'll be like 200+ in a matter of months).
>>98477485That Smaugh looks so damn good, tempted to just buy it and sleeve it forever. I'm also thinking of buying one Collectors box but last I checked (for Final Fantasy) the box was sitting at 1,400$ and that's pretty fucking insane.
>>98477478this is the only jenova card. although the Skullclamp art is Jenova's head at Nibelheim which is pretty dope
>>98477492Fuck, meant to type Smaug
>>98477492>>98477485meant to say 55 for a collector booster, the gift box I think is 100 but you get a few regular boosters too. the Smaug will come down in price. I also got Lord of the Eagles. so you'll be able to get in in no time but I'd wait until it drops some more. in my ideal world I would trade the foil Smaug for both non foil versions of Smaug and Gleaming Splendor but I highly doubt the price will equalize in a favorable way that makes that trade possible. but I think the foil will hold a higher "multiplier" for longer potentially.
>>98477497Shit, this is only 9$. Thanks anon
>entering
>>98477511>>98477497is there enough Golgari Mutants for this to be a solid deck?
>>98477523>6 mana total>only good if you are heavy on a creature typeehhh
>>98477524fuck me i just realized the X-Men and the TMNT are going to be includes in this AAARGGGHHH
>>98477525I'm using it on my Cloud, Ex Soldier commander deck with pic related so when Cloud comes he equips it for free while generating extra treasure tokens but don't tell your lgs group about it
>>98477544Sexo
>>98477534We are gonna get a buttload of new mutants when the inevitable X-Men set happens.
>>98477524Yes
>>98477534Yeah if you don't want a bunch of UB then drop mutants. Their primary cards all come from UB like TMNT and Fallout and marvel.
Gonna try making Queen Marchesa my first politics-based commander. Any tips for piloting her? I'm assuming keep your board state low to the ground to dissuade people from attacking/wrathing with one or two tax pieces so they dont just take monarch for free
You guys ever happen upon a card that makes you want to build a whole new deck just to include it even though it won't even be super high impact?
>>98477647Another goatsee card wtf Wizard of the Cunts
>>98477647>compelled to build a deck around goatse referencesYou have a condition
>>98477650>>98477651I didn't even register it as a goatse, I just like lorwyn.
>want to proxy deck>would still cost me a lot of moneydamn sucks to be giga poor sometimes.
>>98477663>have half a dozen decks mostly assembled>still sitting incomplete because I can't afford a proper mana base Fuck it, proxy it is.
>>98477671I want to do this and be silly.Even if printer went brr that's still like 270 fucking cards to print. Ink ain't free.
>>98477151Having interaction does not make a deck bracket 3. Even having a 5k cost deck list doesn't make it bracket 3. The only thing that couod make it bracket 3 is if the deck consistantly is very, very strong.
>>98477151Don't those pods have phones?
>>98477647
just pulled this
>>98477711What the fuck am I looking at?
>>98477692they made this into a RB commander
>>98477711what the actual fuck is that thing on the right
>>98477711Bro you should go see a doctor for the whatever the fuck growth is holding that card.
>>98477711lmao based deformed bro
>>98477715>>98477721It looks like a guy with a deformed arm , I'm guessing this is from leddit
what the actual fuck do I do? fags in our playgroup always try to kingmake one specific player>don't wipe when the other is in the lead>point removal at anything but the one fag. even each other>one of them usually gets the pity "2nd place"I could go after the faggy enablers but then the other gets to run away with the game. teaming up is pretty much impossible when everyone else thinks it's funny to lose to some goodstuff pile
>>98477858Run a cedh deck
>>98477881>playing the cheat infested formatlmao
All creatures should be eligible as commander... something like that...
>>98477858kingmaking format btw
Changelings look silly and they make me smile.
>>98477894I should be able to run Bazaar of Baghdad as my commander.
>>98477890They were already cheating you via collusion, what's the difference if you throw a thoracle in their face t2?
>>98477881yeah? and once they also do and keep colluding, what then?
>>98477881build a deck where you play silas renn
>>98477929Then you give an impossible maneuver
>>98477137The reserve list was playerbase push back. It was 90s investards screeching about how they'd sue wizards for tanking their nerd stock market if they re-released those cards. Wizards/Hasbro deserve a lot of shit but let's not forget that at least half of Magic's playerbase are major fucking faggots too (literally, in some cases).
>>98477711
>>98477602give monarch away for free so the others will attack that player
>>98477991>It was 90s investards screeching about how they'd sue wizards for tanking their nerd stock market if they re-released those cardsThe reserve list happened in the mid 90s where EVERYTHING was trying to be a collectible. Beanie Babies being the biggest example. Wizards was going with the trend and trying to push sales at the time instead of worrying about a few screeching nerds.But now here we are 30 years later and the modern investorfag is more concerned with hoarding sealed product or cracking collector boxes rather than chasing after ancient power 9 cards. It's the actual PLAYERS that suffer the most from the reserve list since a ton of those cards are still the best in the game and legal in a lot of formats like commander. Nobody gives a shit if some super-duper-alt-art Gandalf is never reprinted because the players can always use the regular version.
>>98477858>fags in our playgroup always try to kingmake one specific playeryou have four people regularly meet up to play this game, just for two of them to try to make one specific person win every time? ... why?
>>98477137Nah the reserve list is one of the coolest parts about magic
the reserve list is fine
>>98477210Many times the oldest printing of a card is the cheapest when it's not RL in magic though because people only care to play cards not collect them
>>98477210yugioh is a terrible example, the game is dying in stores because they mass reprint everything and the expected value from boxes becomes like $15 on a $50 box
>>98478082Not true at all. The newest printing of a magic card is almost always the cheaper version. Stop looking at prices of damaged cards.
>>98478138It's true, go look at cards with printings after RL. Rhystic study the prophecy printing is literally in line with the cheapest copy. Ulamog the gyre, first copy from 2010 is cheapest. Just recent ones I've been looking at, but especially when you get into late 90's early 00's the earliest printing tends to set the market low rate it looks like
>>98478174people who choose to play with some slop force of will or wasteland when the originals are the same price are disgusting
>>98478179I just realized they never did a reprint of the original force of will art and that is super gay. a NM original force is still gonna cost 10-15$ more than most other prints though.
>>98478226the artist got unpersoned for giving a painting to some chuds
>>98478231More context on this?
>>98478236Social Media Following: In 2018 and 2019, fans noticed Nielsen was following, liking, and retweeting various alt-right, anti-Semitic, and conspiracy-oriented accounts on Twitter.Channel Donations: Further backlash occurred when it was revealed she had gifted and signed artist proofs to Edge of Wonder, a YouTube channel known for promoting QAnon and other far-right conspiracy theoriesGot too close to the sun during peak black lives matter era
>>98478240for the absolute most milquetoast shit too. how quaint qanon seems in 2026
>>98478311the seattle types are ruthless if they feel they are not currently "winning" (Trump in power), and they need to exert every possible bit of power they can because that somehow helps defeat trump.You can like bad tweets if a democrat is in office, if it's a republican all media has to double effort goodthink.The boys was ruined by the final seasons being written in the context of Trump winning, they had to change things to make sure their story was a proper protest rather than a story
>>98478325>ruinedthe boys sucked from the first episodeliterally the only good thing about it is Antony Starr's performance which halo-effected the absolute fuck out of the entire showand makes for great reaction images
>>98478335Nah, I liked the whole ‘mcguyver’ guerilla warfare against super heroes funded by evil disney/media cover up. Sure it wasn’t the best written show and obviously had its flaws, but the premise was neat. The success it had meant it could just be a vehicle for the writers ‘too smart for you’ contemporary messaging that completely hollowed out any novelty the show had
The pussy is claiming her throne.
>>98478505But leddit told me 5 color slop was all the rage
>>98478549ur dragon requires some theme to be anything other than 5c yshtola is just pure slop, you can do anything and she draws you a million cards
>>98478505>you got to witness the queen taking her throne We won bros.
>>98477511I pulled a regular one and have been contemplating using it, seems like a good card. glad you found one. this is the other "Jenova" card I mentioned. >>98477524I'm not sure but if you look at the card again you can permanently make any other creature a mutant. the only one I can think of off the top of my head is Indominus Rex, Alpha which I have as commander for a green black blue deck. but I don't have this card in it.
>>98477711QUAAAAAAAID
>>98478505i thought literally everyone always played 5c commanders and nothing else... wtf /tg/ lied to me?!
>>98478030yeah I think near magic's 40th anniversary we'll see reprints of reserved list and by the 50th anniversary if its not abolished it will completely. hasbro is in control and MTG is their main money maker. on the same token that screeching groomers from pReddit complaining about Harry Potter will be disregarded, screeching investards about RL will be ignored when hasbro makes the money printer go BRRRRR with Underground Seas and Black Lotusesthat and hasbro corporate will have their litigation team lock stocked and loaded for whatever autists try to sue (which won't be valid since 1993 cards won't be affected by 2033 reprints). or just buy them off by giving them a new power 9 in a plaque, if their collector status can really even be verified. >pic related: MTGO Vintage Masters "reprints" that will see paper versions within the next 10 years
>>98478174rhystic study is a common>>98478179force of will and rhystic study are both Terese Nielsen art so the extremist groomer types hate the once based le strong lezbo, one of the original female artists for magic because she liked some tweet tangentially related to Trump in 2017. although she did a 2nd FOW art in the 2010s. that's why people choose sloppa art over the superior originals. so yes they are putting their faggotry on full display.
>>98478236>>98478240>>98478311>>98478325the irony of all of it is Nielsen was one of the first female artists in the 90s for Magic (Force of Will be from 1996) and is a lesbian. and is many people's favorite Magic artists. if anything it gives huge insight to the Seattle groomer cult of men who think they are women wanting to oust a real actual gay woman creator because she is her own person and not part of their insane propaganda cult. Hasbro needs to force GōtC needs to be moved to the east coast to get rid of that Seattle mind plague. (not that New England is much better, but its is definitely not as bad as the Seattle area)
if I try to recreate Kai Budde's wildfire deck from 1999 in commander will i get bullied out of the table for destroying lands even though I'm destroying my own? I want to build mono red control with slow burn effects to peel away a lead. I really only play legacy and cube at this point, but whenever I play commander, everyone is so greedy with lands and shit so I want to punish that specifically
>>98478600i love my surge i only wish i could have shown off more with a serialized
>>98478604Oh MOMMY
>>98478772maybe he doesn't and yes he does sound like that but he isn't wrong in this instance and for what it's worth I too miss Nielsen's contributions
has anyone tried specter tribal. Ive been playing MtG forge adventure lately with a mono black hypnotic specter deck. And want to do something similar in commander. No idea who the commander should be wish urgoros wasnt garbage tier.. Felix 5 boots seems interesting to get all the coastal piracy effects and doubling g the specter triggers. But grixis gives me all the specters and mono black is just super classic.
>>98478600>scalpbro who got caught stealing from lgs got her from last collector in the shop>decided not to trade in shit>now she's 900e for english one>had to settle down for normal showcase and proxy the surgeits fucking retarded that commander ones could've only been found in collectors instead of play boosters on the special guest slot
>>98477086Having any sequence of cards that can conceivably win is sweatlord territory.
https://archidekt.com/decks/25162719/kujaI’m not a very confident deck builder, any thoughts or advice would be appreciated
>>98477105No, this was.
>>984785495 color goodstuff can't handle the "play literally anything and get a free win" queen
got told this was too good for bracket 3 lmao
>>98478944If you hard cast it, lol, lmao even.If you cheated it out, go fuck yourself.
Haven't done anything today besides napping then waking up to play 2 hours of ff14 then napping again and had a dream that I was outside
>>98478944because you made it hexproof? indestructible doesn't save you from sacrifice effects so unless you had a way to keep filling your hand it would've gone away eventually
>>98477066Brackets are so fucking gay.They already had the right idea with the "gamechangers". Make a banlist, then make another 'soft' banlist of "if you play these you're a tryhard" and simply instruct people to aim for (roughly) the same number of gamechangers in their decks. That's all they needed to do.>"How many GCs you run?">"I got 10">"I got 4 so you need to take some out."That's it. ALL that extra shit is just overcomplicating things and making them more subjective.
>>98478963>no draw step>have to discard a card to keep it going>still die to lifeloss>still die to deckoutgee i wonder what the points of failure here are. but timmy can't hit me with 20 4/4 landfall baloths so it's cedh or something
>>98478996Timmy doesn't even have a valid complaint. Monogreen has two damage can't be prevented creatures it should always run plus Wave of Vitriol.
>>98478718Yes. EDH children cannot handle land interaction.
>>98478505Absolute fucking slop. I legitimately think less of players who run Y'shtola.
>>98479072Oy vey.
>>98478718>will i get bullied out of the table for destroying lands even though I'm destroying my own?As long as you play it in Bracket 4 where it's acceptable there shouldn't be any issue.
>>98478094Grosses higher than MtG without a need for UB.
>>98478981>Duh expect people to have potentially dozens of decks for the dozens of GC counts different retards could think is normal (the correct answer is "zero")Power 7 btw
>>98479105What if it's just a lifegain deck?
>>98479350Then you picked a lame commander to helm your deck.
>>98479299That's not even close to true. Even without UB, still not close to true.
>>98478094yugioh is doing booster fun bullshit now so boxes may be able to break even as long as they keep printing borderless yugiboomer bait archetypes
>>98479105yshtola is my dragon deck thoughever
>>98479356It was either her or Oloro with functional emminence
>>98479372Why ask us? As long as you think it's fun. You wont get people interested in your deck if you play popular commanders.
>>98479362Master Duel alone grosses 60% of MtG's total revenue counting Arena and Online.
>>98479414>Master Duel has made ~170 million in revenue since 2022.>Mtg made 1.72 billion in 2025 alone
>>98479414Gain, not even clise to true. YGO annually grosses 100-200mil a year, whereas MtG annually grosses in the billions now, with UB reportedly making up about half of that.
>>98479412I don't even have a deck, I was just wondering the limit of their opinion.
>>98479436>>984794492022, the year MtG crossed the 1bil mark, Konami net 1.4bil from YGO.
>>98479464No, they netted 1.4 billion from their entire video game division.
>>98479479Konami's overall video game revenue was 2.3bil
>>98479464>from ygoI dob't know how you wouod know that considering they don't break down their profits by franchise like that. Reportedly the vast majority of their profit from yu gi oh is digital, so we'd have to look at konami's digital entertainment section, which did indeed have profits in the billions, however that includes all the videogames konami sells as well, so it's not a useful figure.
>>98479464The entire digital division in 2022 profit (not revenue) was 500 mil, which includes all the games they sell.
>>98479506Magic made $40 total that year, when I bought a box.
If I were to make a five color deck that was full of all the game changers, or most of them, what commander would be the best?
>>98479524Based supporter keeping Magic alive by himself
>>98479528Kenrith it's not even really close.
>>98478094Good, fuck cardboard rectangle stocks
Can we stop this insanity that "budget" deck = less than $100? I could buy the fucking fancy version of GTA 6 for that price. Even the stricter $50 or less definition is pushing it.
>>98479567budget decks are content aimed at new players who want a deck not from the shelf. are you a new player?
>>98479567rofl secondary poorfag hand-wringing over hobbies costing money
>>98479524i think I also bought the fairy precon that year, so you can add another $40 from me
Koma is fucking annoying and I hate him. Yes I am a casual and yes I am mad.
>>98479574>>98479577I've been playing since Onslaught. I'd be hard-pressed to say if any of my decks are worth even $25. How? Cause I play 25-30 basics in each one. Any LGS will sell you bulk for 10 cents per. No reason to obliterate your wallet for cardboard.
>>98479598Cool
>>98479590
>>98479598X: DoubtI've played since Scourge and Magic was always a richfag hobby outside of kitchen table magic.
>>98478052Most likely this isn't happening and Op is just salty player 4 has convinced 2+3 they're not a problem.Players are shit at threat assessment. And Op is probably being a sperg without recognizing why and thinks it's kingmaking and not the consequence of his own stupidity
>>98479610My very first deck was a precon Orzhov cleric deck revolving around Doubtless One. Doubt me if you want, not like I can prove it anyway, but this shit did not used to be this expensive, especially for kitchen table. I was fucking 6, and could afford packs off of my weekly allowance.
>>98478240>>98478311>>98478325It wasn't even the likes. It's that she was dumb and doubled down thinking 'I'm a lesbian' can make fuckheads on Twitter act less shitty.
>>98479567A budget deck just means there is some sort of a budget in place. Generally you would say it's a "× dollar budget" deck, or a deck with a "x dollar per card budget" deck. What anyone generally considers "budget" is up to them.I do ~1.50 per card budget, which words out to 30-40 bucks per deck.
>>98479627its still dirt cheap if you play true kitchen table.
I cannot win with yshtola in bracket 2, bros. Everyone swarms way too much and too fast
>>98479610>outside of how everyone plays minus competitive peoplePauper is also cheap as chips.
>>98479610It always depends on playgroup.>>98479627Parks used to be like 2-4 bucks now there 10$ for 15 slips of cardboard.prices have been fucked for years. That said there's so much shit that is a near identical clone of a 60$ card but 1 more mana or with a restriction you can build budget as fuck.If you really want to be cheap fyn the fangbearer can fuck up a casual pod for less than ten bucks
>>98479663it isnt
Weird that no matter what I do, I can't find a single source saying Yugioh out sells mtg in any capacity. But /edhg/ said it, so it must be true.
You sit down at a pod and one of the players pulls out this. What do?
>>98479779Inform him that Rofellos can't come back or monogreen will be overpowered.
Weird that no matter what I do, I can't find a single source saying mtg out sells Yugioh in any capacity.But /edhg/ said it, so it must be true.
>>98478969I just woke up
>>98479676>30 bucks for a competitive deckYou do you, brother.
>>98479794It's almost like there's practically no information on how much money ygo specifically actually makes.
>>98479776>>98479794Honestly hard do find proof one way or another as neither company gives out full sales figures for just MTG or just Yugioh.According to FYQ1 reports however. (though a cursory glace) WotC division of hasbro made 545 million in revenue >Source: https://www.retaildive.com/news/hasbro-magic-the-gathering-sales-growth-off-to-a-ripping-start/825769/According to FYQ1 reports Konami made 493 million yen on revenue, which is ~3.1 million USD.>Soruce: https://img.konami.com/ir/en/ir-data/meeting/2026/en0508_7bs3e2.pdfSo as of RIGHT NOW Yugioh, let alone all of Konami, is not outselling mtg.
>>98479884This has been debunked
>>98479892Source?Anon provided source.
Friends got me into Magic via online TTS and ive just been building decks nonstop for the past month for when we play every couple of days for a few hours So far ive got >MonoZada, Odric, Azami, Marwyn, Gisa>2CRootha, Grand Arbiter, Kraven, Teysa Scion, Rakdos Muscle, Theoden, Kiora>3CAshnod, Obeka Endturn, Marchesa, Iroh, Lucea Kane, Narset Prowess, Arcades Have I gone off the deep end? Also taking any suggestions for fun 4/5C commanders havent found any that stand out that much
>>98479911>Also taking any suggestions for fun 4/5C commanders havent found any that stand out that muchMost of them suck or have been built to death, there's a reason mono and two-color are the most fun decks to play.
>>98479652operator error. if you untap with yshtola turn 5, you should be able to run away with the game
>>98479911>suggestionsAny if the nephilim minus inktreader. No they aren't legendary but they are generally accepted as commanders regardless.Also yes, slow down. I don't know what you deck building method is, but you should be really thinking and playtesting.
>>98479897It is known.
>>98479941Based alien-fucker riker
>>98479941I'm going to build a Star Trek deck and get up after everyone of my turns and stand there until it's my turn and then take my seat again via the Riker Manuever and spout Star Trek meme lines until my turn is over and I do it all over again.
>>98479941>Flashback, but also you have to bounce somethingMaybe I'm being too harsh but this mechanic looks absolutely awful.
>>98479941>>98479988Oh no looks like I have to bounce my wall of omens again... shucks
>>98479776>>98479892>>98479958Most cogent weebslopper
>>98479993It'd be fine if it cheated the rates you're paying on flashback. You can definitely design some decent cards for that design space but bouncing your own shit is a pretty big downside if you're not doing it at instant speed. It's a really weird take on pushing an "exclusive" mechanic on the set. Maybe they'll put this on creatures?
>>98480004>General ChangANTIPROXYTARD IS NOT GONNA LIKE THIS!
Got a collector booster with my prerelease prizes and pulled a goddamn mox amberI was hoping for some good box topper card but hot damn, do i actually run this thing? Do I sell it to some collector?
>>98480067I'd sell it personally but that's because I fuck around in bracket 2 slop piles and have no interest in collecting.If you're playing at a power level where fast mana is worth the card it's great obviously, and it's price will probably go up after a few years after the intial prerelease pump drops.
Price is probably going to go down, but fuck it.
>>98480136>ShowcaseExcellent choice.
>>98480086I still don't even have gamechangers to fill out my decks so what I'm hearing is trade is wait for FF surge prices to drop h-haha and trade it for my wife in surge foil
>>98479911Nope. You've got sucked into the game. You love building decks, which is based. Go for the 32 deck challenge. I've been playing since 2009 and I am not even there yet, but I did take a long break inbetween.For a 5 color commander I'm going to suggest a Horde of Notions 5 color aggro equipment deck. Throw in a bunch of tutors, and small creatures that do something, and then have extra damage permanents like Rafiq of the Many, True Conviction etc. to have those little creatures or Horde itself go crazy. Play a lot of vigilance creatures too.
>>98480136>Massive ramp from any tribal slop deckNah, it'll probably go up.
>>98480136Don't be fucking DUMB.
>>98480253Its already ordered anon. 27 dollars with shipping isn't going to make me go hungry.
>>98480310I apologize anon, I thought you were selling it, not buying, and after checking TCG it might sadly go down. A shame, I got a Foil one.
>>98480004klingons are just orcs
Why is crop rotation a game changer while entomb remains free to do unfair shit?
>>98480427entomb doesn't put anything into play
>>98480431Neither does vampiric tutor. What is your point?
>>98480427If the format is going to take it as an axiom that land destruction is all but banned, an instant speed land tutor that puts it into play is going to be inordinately powerful. Entomb does some horseshit but it's typically limited to "big dumb creature" in a format where every deck should be packing 5-10 pieces of creature removal in one form or another.
>>98480427Because cradle exists
>>98480004Called it.
>Yshtola is about to become the #1 most played commanderYou DO have a cat girl deck, right?
>>98480588No. I'm not gay
>>98480598>posts on the Mongolian basket weaving forum>not gay
>>98480588I have it, but I hold it was vanilla precon. It's better that way whenever I'm in pod where players only have precons or low power decks.Reason is stupid, but I prefer UB decks using only cards from the featured IP. That's why my MtG in-universe decks are only MtG.
>>98480629>spoilerI resonate with that specific brand of autism, because I do the same thing whenever possible.
>>98480588Sorry sis I'm not trans so I don't have any interest in FF
WHERE IS IT WIZARDS? WHERE IS IT?
>>98480588>Most played commanderThat is not how EDHREC works.All it does is gather information from sites where deck lists are uploaded. Fair to say many people are playing her, but shes about the become the most brewed deck, which is quite a bit different than the most played deck.
>>98480465>>98480519You know what, that's fair enough. Cradle is a big piece of shit.
but what are the FUN/NY ways to build her?>living weapons>mana rock tribalwhat else?
>>98480697vehicles
>>98478625lmao
>>98479979Most based commander player
>>98480702vehicles suck unfortunately, a living weapon puts a blocker on the board at least and vehicles don't even do that
>>98479988They like the whole bouncing thing in standard right now. We got websling last year.
>>98480200>6 mana and you better hope the creature doesn't just get plowsharedIt's good in tribal equipment decks that can bypass equip costs.
>>98479993I thought webslinging would have SOMETHING of value for my oketra deck but all the cards sucked
>>98480644I know they'll do it. I fucking know. It'll be a bonus sheet card.
Imagine this was an instant and it forever became a staple to have harry kim facepalming in your deck
>>98480738>you better hope the creature doesn't just get plowsharedSo literally any creature with an equipment on them ever?
>>98480775Yes. Equipment sucks. ESPECIALLY if it has a high equip cost.
>>98480771There really inst a reason this to be sorcery. Its downside is already that it costs 2.
>>98480781The land goes into their hand, not into play.
>>98480790Even more reason it shouldn't be a sorcery.
>>98480781The reason is standard
>>98480781Unironically the answer is because they don't want the set to be full of meta cards because they know people will bitch about it.
>>98480812>Full of meta staplesSo they went for 0 instead of 1?
Mikus deck is janky as fuck. No card draw, ramp is kinda bad, mana curve is way too top heavy, bad synergy (skullclamp etc) how should I go around fixing it? I don't play commander nor do I own commander cards, I am planning playing all Miku cards
>>98480588see >>98478600
>>98480726Vehicles suck but they're one of Gavin's favorite card types so we will be getting them shoves down our throats for the long foreseeable future.
>>98480831>No card draw, ramp is kinda bad, mana curve is way too top heavy, bad synergy (skullclamp etc)Sounds like you already know what all the problems are. The fix is easy once you know what doesn't work.
>>98480888But I don't know the commander card pool
>>98480877ask gavin to pimp my deck https://moxfield.com/decks/4O702qSEnU2TGjLdbYUlgA
>>98480898>I don't know the commander poolLiterally, almost every card ever made. It an eternal format.
>>98480898I suggest going to scryfall and using the tag system to find cards with tags like card draw
>>98480919>>98480914It ain't that easy, whole deck feels shizophrenic. Is pic rel playable?
>>98480983it's soso
>>98480983You can infact, pay 5 mana and cast it in commander.
>>98480998Really? Your opponent will just let you get to 5+ mana, have a board and then let it resolve? That's pretty wild
>>98481006>Your opponents will lets youDon't let them stop you. This is the nature of card games.
>>98480697cat tribalthings esper has no business doing, like dragons or landfall
QUICK! Post your favorite red card.
>>98481006if you play good cards on the other turns that they have to answer, you can play less good cards later
>>98481034Lightning bolt. Awakened me as a burn player. Loved the idea of just shooting the other wizard directly in their face.
>>98481027>>98481039Thanks. I think I'll just proxy the rest of the deck so I can play around, this shit is already way too expensive
>>98481034I've been playing this terrible card ever since I was an idiot child.
>>98481051This isn't even that bad considering 4 damage will kill most things on the ground.>>98481046I am increasingly angry at how many commander bait cards are at 4 toughness
>>98481034
>Cedh Tournemnt>Me on Tynma/Kruam>Random Combat>I Announce Tynma trigger on stack after hitting a player>Everyone passes>I choose to pay 1 life and draw>retard suddenly vomits out "I have a response">He flashes in a Orcish Bowmasters>I tell him he can't do that.>He calls a judge>Judge has to get up from his game (he is playing in the tournament) and rules against meI think I'm done with Cedh.
>>98481059He's not bad, but there's a ton of other large creatures that are just better. It would be difficult to find an 8 mana creature with a better flavor text though.
>>98481082why he couldn't do that?
>>98481059>4 toughnessHate this shit so bad.
>>98481114Information was revealed (drawn card) and, according to anon's story, ample response time was given with opponent consciously stating they were passing prio.It's just that cEDH is a shitshow.
>>98481124He couldn't be responding to the draw trigger?
>>98481125No, because everyone had already passed priority.
>>98481125No. Mtgo taught me a lot about tiggers and priority.
All tournaments should exclusively be run through an online client.
>>98481082cEDH is just the spirit of old MtG where you can be total shit at the game but if you bully everyone else hard enough you can get away with angleshooting or outright cheating.
>>98481114When responding to a may trigger, you must do so before the choice is made. Once you pass priority, that's it. You choose a "may" when the trigger resolves.
>>98481125He can flash in the Bowmasters, but he missed the chance to Flash it in responding to the card draw.
>>98481137That would require a working online client ($50 mil+ spent)
>>98481137Too bad the only online clients are MTGO (outdated dogshit) and MTGA (missing most the cards and formats).
>>98481082>the judge is an /edhg/ denizen piloting some utter jank>sees you're using the sloppiest of all slop cedh, blue farm>angleshoots against you to own the chudsNothing personnel kid
>>98477071I've been considering this one as decent support for Ghost or Ramirez + Tormod. It checks a lot of boxes for the pair; you can get the card you surveil to the graveyard back to hand with Ramierez, and the "card leaving the graveyard" clause is easy enough to hit since you'll be building around it with Tormod. Not to mention, this creates zombies on top of what you make with Tormod, so it plays well into a zombie subtheme.
>>98481123This is the type of shit that Magmatic Force would post.
>>98481059>>98481123Unironically it's because of Eugene because he was colorless, so any deck could slot him, and he permanently locked out any cards with 3 or less toughness. An entire color's removal package is suffering because of a 2015 planeswalker being popular.
>>98481149xmage exists
>>98481218This nigger has ended so many games. If this dude resolves that game is basically over.
>>98481232>8 manaIt should threaten a game end
>You can cast a miracle sorcery at instant speedWhy is a retard telling me this?
>>98481327Because it's correct if you're paying its Miracle cost.
Any Vorthos/Lorefags around? I'm making a Temur Tarkir themed Commander deck. Would it be breaking immersion/lore to slot in a few Sultai or Jeskai adjacent cards? (ie monocolored cards in which the artwork and flavor text heavily implies they're Sultai/Jeskai aligned)
>>98481327...do you think he's wrong?
>>98481327Miracle ignores timing restrictions
>>98481333No. In original Tarkir/KTK people defected all the time.
>>98481327dummy
The new Miku cards look great, but I'm having a hard time justifying paying $150 for a deck I'm ultimately going to gut 90% of the cards from.Thinking of just proxying them and throwing together a full Miku custom deck.
>>98481343My good and caring friend had the right idea, he told me he's going to buy it for his daugther in order to make her a MTG player enthusiast. I think it's a cool idea.
>>98481343Agreed but if you buy the secret lair you can also get the optional playmat and sleeves! What's the point of having 1/1 tokens in a populate deck? Why is there a aetherflux reservoir? Why no angelic accord? Why is there a dino?
>>98481343In two years all the miku art cards will be like 70+ dollars.
>>98481338Thanks. Also semi-related, would picrel be lore breaking in a Quandrix deck?
>>98481343>I could buy cool cards that will be worth twice as much as that a year from now.>Or I could just buy fake cards worth nothing
>>98481362I thought those were being sold separately. I don't like that it's one big bundle, I like the playmat, but I don't want the deckbox or sleeves.>>98481364Not much of a reseller, but still a solid point.
How powerful can the miku deck be with miku cards if I seriously tweak it?
>>98481372If I get the Miku cards, I'm not likely to sell them later on. I'm a big Miku fan, so whatever deck they go into is going to become a permanent deck in my collection.I've never once bought an MtG product with the intention of selling it down the line
>>98481380Probably not too powerful, you're still going to be batting in bracket 2
>>98481362>aetherflux reservoirIt's a lifegain wincon.
>>98481381Odds are you won't sell them, no, but odds are you will also be done with the game at some point, so why not have something worth liquidating at that point
What time in real world time does the Miku deck go on sale?
>>98481384That's a shame, I guess I can't just add infinite combos and call it a day? Ballista, helios, that vampire that doesn't untap come to my mind>>98481389Seems kinda bad
>>98481401You're right, it should have been felidar sovereign and Angel of Destiny.
>>98481398Noon
>>98481424I was planning on adding felidar with chord of calling, do you think it will it be a problem in bracket 2 games?
>>98481368Depends how much you want to stretch the notion that Quandrix is the engineering school and therefore full of super autists that can take multiple majors.
>>98481442>Card has the phrase "Win the game" on itYes, babies gonna cry. Their fault for never attacking.
>>98481398Noon EST. Honestly I wouldn't be too worried, since they said all sales on the day are guaranteed to be fulfilled. I'm sad they didn't do this with goblin storm too. Fuck scalpers.
Is this the biggest "I win" card in the format?If it resolves late or mid game with x=10 the board is pretty much cooked if you bring out Avenger of Zendikar.
>>98481451There's nothing scarier than picrel according to Sheldon and we should all respect his wishes by harassing WotC until they ban it again.
>>98481451Mommy Emrakul.>b-but bans!Fuck off Gavin.
>>98481451Avenger won't win the game. You make the plant's after fully resolving the spell.
>>98481447I mean I don't think it's that bad, you still have cheap spot removal like shorts to plowshares
>>98481451No. This is.
Why aren't cheap tutors like pic rel which bypass bracket restrictions more popular? Surely every deck has 4 good cards
>>98481442>tap three green creatures to fetch a dryad arbornot a very good card
is this too mean or is it cool for bracket 4? i wanted to do burn but I found that it's not really feasible in commander without doing a worldfire themehttps://moxfield com/decks/ip_xFjIvxkqPQujhbvA_nQ
>>98481489Cards that give your opponent a choice are typically always way worse than they seem.
>>98481451Why are you reposting this?
>>98481465Seriously though why isn't this bitch banned?
>>98481523Not him, but isn't that irrelevant if you present your opponent with equally awful choices? Like if I'm in green, I can just pick Craterhoof, Avenger, Gnawbone, and so on.
>>98481533It would cause a large extinction level event in CEDH.Which, shouldn't matter. Ban it and partner commanders and CEDH might be interesting again.
>>98481543>ban like 50+ commandersNo.
>>98481543>It would cause a large extinction level event in CEDH.This is objectively a good thing.
>>98481460Really? Fuck. So what is the best creature to get with it then?
I love this thing.>hey let me draw a card, or get hit for 30 damage and the cards go to my second hand
>>98481543>It would cause a large extinction level event in CEDH.There is no fucking shot that cedh players are into the format because they enjoy people randomly winning off low cost 2-card auto win combos.
>>98481534>>98481523just present your opponent with only bad choices
>>98481562Yes. They were design mistakes, Which is even more ironic given, apparently, the sanctity of commander matters that people want them still.
>>98481569If you have enough creatures, Craterhoof, as always.
>>98481333Some cards make more sense than others. Wild slash and this one would make perfect sense.
>>98481569Craterhoof of course. You get his fat bonus plus another 10/10 too. Your little dorks will be swining a gorillion damage with trample.
>>98481574Only the originals were a mistake. Everything else is fine.
>>98481572>There is no fucking shot that cedh players are into the format because they enjoy people randomly winning off low cost 2-card auto win combosAre you pulling a silly willy on me? Because yes. that's exactly what they are all into. Playing lines to win with the same combos turn one or 2.
>>98481533Not my problem. I play Pre-DH.
>>98481572My dude, have you even seen cedh? They piss themselves if they can't do a turn 2 combo into thoracle.
>wins turn 1nothin personnel
>>98481543>>98481586>>98481591I have never seen a CEDH tournament. Are these players really so fucking retarded that they think random LOL I WIN cards are fun or belong in a competitive format?
Correct me if I am wrong>Trostani on board>Finale of Devastation x=10>Blossoming Bogbeast>Bogbeast enters, gets +10/+10 and haste>Trostani Triggers and I gain 13 life>Move to attack, gain 2 life, board gets +15/+15 and TramplCorrect?
>>98481607>RandomIts not random. The entire point of CEDH is to build a deck with very little variance with several different lines to get the same infinite as fast as possible, and Thoracle has long been the easiest and most reliable way to do it.
How many expensive cards like Teferis protection should a fair and honest bracket 2 deck run? Teferis protection into felidar, chomo into felidar etc etc. Allosaurus shepherd would be nice too. I just want to be able to have fun with my Miku deck
>>98481619B2 is no gamechangers.
>>98481607>does a card that wins the game being in a competitive format
>>98481608Correct. The Miku deck can become super nutty with only a few changes. Get Avenger and Craterhoof in there ASAP, as well as an aura shards to be a douche.
>>98481623But there's clearly a difference between running one ring or taxing with esper sentinel, having a combo that wins you the game with Teferis protection if allowed to go unresolved.
>>98481643>can't for the life of me find my Avenger SL copy>friend insists he didn't take it but I haven't seen it since he bought a bunch of cards off me
>>98481543It would have little impact. Thoracle and pact/consult is a thing for sure, but most decks that use it would rather run an underworld breach line that's harder to interact with and can win just as easily without her as the end point.If you really want to shake up the format you ban Rog and Rhystic.
>>98480831You have to use the Miku card for card draw.
What's the best way to proxy these old ass cards? No Miku no money is my motto.
>>98481644>my casual deck is special so it should be exempt from the gc rule!No
>>98481643What's Avenger?
>>98481739So if I load up the most optimized and expensive list it's fine cuz there are no gamechangers? That's retarded
>>98481451If the combo your suggesting actually worked, wouldn't Avenger actually be the "i win" buy giving you the army you need?
>>98480588I even have her in surge for good measure
>>98481752If you have the most optimized and expensive deck, you're likely a 3 or even a 4, not a bracket 2.There are more to the brackets than just amount of game changers.
>>98481740Avenger of Zendikar, your friendly neighborhood broccoli salesman.
>>98481845Thanks. He looks like a friendly guy and I love broccoli.
>>98481854He's a glorious asshole in conjunction with Craterhoof. You can pull some mega dick moves like calling them both in with Defense of the Heart (with the new pony print for max psychological damage) too.
>>98481865Sounds hilarious, especially because that combo doesn't even seem like the main gameplan. Adding every card you mentioned to the cart.I can't believe Miku is getting me back into MTG after nearly 15 years.Does Vigor have any place in the deck? I just always thought he was cool and would like to use him.
>>98481896Anything that produces counters or tokens. You REALLY want to have token ETB creators like Bramble Sovereign (who comes in the miku precon) and Springheart Nantuko. The latter is a literal gg if you attach him to a big fatty like Craterhoof or Avenger. The Miku deck basically wants the following:>some little token generators like Arasta (in the precon) and crested sunmare (also in the precon) to get tokens for populate>big fatties, as explained above, who you can get tokens of for populate>token doublers like doubling season, anointed, parallel, etc for GORILLIONS of populate tokens>dorks, all the dorks>
>>98481928>token doublers like doubling season, anointed, parallelNo. You just need like 3-10 tokens and a way to make them big like bogbeast or craterhoof or moonshaker.
>>98481937Or you could get 4 craterhoofs at once thanks to the doublers. It's a deck that likes counters and tokens. It's tailor made for token doublers.
>Miku deck>look inside>it's shit, unfocused and having an identity crisis>would struggle in a bracket 2 match with it's only wincon being someone lets you oo-ee-oo long enough that you can finale out ghalta for 10 and maybe roll over 2 players>look deeper inside>made by one of the "pro" tranny dei hires
>>98481950That's every precon. They all suffer from "this deck clearly wants to do X, but it has some shitty backup commandee that wants Y, so 40% of the deck needlessly caters to Y."
Speaking of big green idiots who buff your board, this card is really overlooked.
Why is Vorinclex in the Miku deck and why does he get the Miku alt?Seriously i can't figure out why he is in there other than he made people salty 10 years ago
>>98481960not by me!I bought three.
>>98481960it look stupid
>>98481972For the funny name pun. Also because I guess they wanted to have a big scary green creature that wasn't Craterhoof.
>>98477254I like it but it’s not as good as Runechanter’s Pike, however my Melek Izzet Paragon deck could always use another transmute Muddle the Mixture target I guess but… I mean I can cut goblin electromancer but I like my gobo. Wish I could cast the Gleam of Death side from the top of the library and copy it but it doesn’t work like that
>>98481960Why not just use hoof?
>>98482038Because you can only have 1 craterhoof in your deck and still have 98 cards to go.
>>98481960he cute
>>98482101MOMMY
>>98482101>he
>>98482038hood etb only goes off the one time. sometimes you wanna build a board before committing to the Overrun turn.also Leatherhead costs one mana fewer
>>98482101is this deck fun?
>>98481533The cope is that it self-selects to high power gameplay which is half-true but honestly imo the whole Lab Man suite should have been banned.
>>98482183I think that style of deck is probably better with ravenous ride
Anyone else feel like the gamechanger system doesn't go far enough?It's so boring how samey decks get above bracket 3.I think game changers should be viewed less as protecting weaker decks from high-end cards, and more as protecting the format in general from a yawnfest of overpowered staples.If there were a points system, with way more cards being under the gamechanger umbrella compared to now, then deckbuilding would go from "Okay, start by chucking in an Esper Sentinel" to "How badly do you want that Esper Sentinel?"Even the true duallands should cost something to run. It's frustrating to watch someone lose a CEDH game to a graveyard play while holding a Crop Rotation ready, because with such high-quality lands as a given it's no surprise they'd cut out Bojuka Bog.
>>98482261I generally agree, but also you can just play bracket 2.
>>98482261>Even the true duallands should cost something to runNobody would have an issue with duals if they weren't on the RL. It's just anti-proxy autismos who cry about seeing duals in lower brackets.
>>98480831The people larping the mtg larp format need to be studied.
>>98482246>I saddle Jenova
>>98480877https://archidekt.com/decks/19007550/i_love_aetherdrift_give_us_aetherdrift_2_and_legendary_vehicle_commanders_with_eminenceVehicles are literally the best archetype, you are trans.
>>98482303I would be happy to get an Aetherdrift 2 if it didn't look like... that
>>98482261The bracket system could use a lot of work in general, it's pretty lazily thrown together. 1 & 2 are basically the same thing and so are 4 & CEDH.
>>98482301she saddles you
>>98482261I 100% agree that a point system would be better, but remember that any system has to accommodate the average Commander player, and the average Commander player is retarded beyond belief. Literally yesterday I watched b3 Smaug and Toph both brick because they ran zero draw sources and they nearly lost to someone playing a Women Looking Left tier deck as a joke. This is the type of player you would need to adapt a point system without finding it too complicated.
>>98482237My strategy for "you win the game" cards is just say you're playing to see who gets second place. If your group treats it as no longer being part of the current game then whether it's because they were knocked out first or won doesn't matter.
>>984823131 doesn't exist. 4 and 5 sre basically the same, except 5 is the current flavor of the month meta and thoracle spam. 4 is out of season cedh and non-thoracle combos.
>>984823391 used to be the whole format basically...take me back...
They are once again whining about a system they claim no one uses anyway.
>>98482326That's a pretty awesome choice for a marika card. Cool art too.Any chance you'd want to do one for my boy the dryleaf dane? Hardmode: Not shu yun
>>98482372Yes? The system is sloppily made and players want something more refined.
>>98482378Whiners on 4chan want a more complicated system they won't use in their basements regardless.FTFY
>>98482379>more complicated systemhttps://www.yugioh-card.com/en/genesys/If Yugioh can have a point system for an alt format that looks like THIS then Magic could do something more with their commander brackets others than "idk you decide what the difference between 4 and 5 is"
>>98482312So you are trans… damn.
>>98482377I couldn't find good art
>>98482416There isnt much. My poor boy isnt popular.
>>98482416I thought that was Yi for a second
>>98482424get dunks>>98482422
>>98482434damn homie, you're doing the Lord's work
>>98482437no, that would be if I told you to attend divine liturgy
>>98482434Fucking rad. Thanks anon.
>>98482454Based
>FUCK BLUE
>>98482564>>98482564>>98482564NEW THREAD
>>98480427mass discard and reanimator are fair in B2 becauseTHEY JUST ARE OK?
how did you retards do at pre-release? did my 2nd one, what a joke of a set for collation. 3 out of 4 matches on Friday and Sunday were mirror matches. either people playing red white or red black, with the same rares even in most peoples decks. YIKES. at least my collector had 2 book covers in it but wow what a waste of money the pre-release was. they don't even stamp the promo's anymore now?
