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I’d like then to make Epic but for 40k instead of leaving it in Horus heresy setting as they fear it overtaking warhammer 40k among the waacfags.
>>98480405>TQPlastic rogue trader.
I'm just getting into 40k because of Henry Cavill. Where do I begin?
turns out I forgot to post how much I like orks last thread, so I’ll do it twice this thread.I like orks :D
>>98480405I doubt they can do it right but the current state of fighting games is do abysmal that I'd try theirs.>>98480231>Tekken
I like orks :D
>>98480450skill issuebet you struggle fighting triple c’tan too.
>>98480405>TQPlanetary Empires or Inquisitor but in 28mm
>>98480438>look up essentially hobby supplies >order all of them from amazon, pick them up at walmart, go to a hobby shop, whatever you like>go to ebay>buy a bunch of ork minis>paint them bluesimple as.
>>98480450Why would GW make a Fighting game?
>TQArmored Core, but you're piloting a battlesuit
>>98480489why not? they’re piss easy to make, work as advertising, and most people are easily impressed with them.
>>98480503I like Tau, but I do not want Fire Warrior 2 that is just a reskin of Space Marine 2 and comes with the same, terrible "fans".
>do you have any games on your phone?
>>98480503That's not a side game; that's just a mech-based 40k video gameA side game is shit like Necromunda, Gorkamorka, or Epic
>>98480508FW1 was really, really bad, but it was a 'classic' FPS rather than a corposlop FPS. Fire Warrior 2 would be much closer to early 2000s FPSes before they all got the SOVL streamlined out of them by CoD and Halo clones. Ideally, Quake 3/4 style, or Unreal 2.
>>98480508It'd be worse than SM2 fans, because it will draw in FromSoft fans via Armored Core players coming at the scent of a mech gameWorst of both worlds
>>98480513PRIMARIS ALERT! PRIMARIS ALERT!
>>98480450>tfw I'd have more faith in that than tw wh40k because >console>r>t>s
>>98480507Several problems, but a major one would be sorting out the power level between normal human characters and also having Space Marines characters in the game.
>>98480530The Armored Core fanbase has pretty much zero overlap with the Souls fanbase where all the cancer is.
>>98480535If you said the "f" word that the marines before the primaris space marines are called then you'd see some real anger. Even the "f" word after vostroyan somehow makes anons here start going red.Maybe the pro-primaris trolling left it's mark in that way.
>>98480547Firstborn?I prefer the term Primaris Predecessors
>>98480523I enjoyed FW1 enough to get it on PS2 and PC back in the day. It scratched an itch and felt like 40k at the time. FW2 would just be SM2, mark my words. Or they would have Fatshark just make it using the Tide engine and mechanics but three or four player optional co-op.>>98480530But FromSoft "fans" do not like mech games. They like Dark Souls and Elden Ring. t. AC1-4 appreciator who gets to watch a favorite series turn to shit.
What kind of melty are we going to have in this thread? Decal? Primaris? Maybe primarchs?
>>98480543The ACfans are the cancerCrying about a dead franchise endlesslyAt least Kuonfags and ENBfags have the dignity to suffer in silence
>>98480564this is bait
>>98480569No, you faggots are whinier than even monhun subhumans and that's a fucking feat
Primaris are cool.
>>98480405>Assuming GW didn’t care about popularity, what’s a weird schizo side game you’d want them to make?Man'o War.
gib kabal management gaem pls
>>98480553Yeah that's the word. I've seen rage happen with just that word being used and I am highly likely gonna be proven right that it sets off anons.The spoiler word is safer to use.>>98480559It will be related to Warhammer 40k.But /awg/ had an autism over hygiene that started when an anon talked about miniature base rims being differently shaped and mentioning washing hands and making sure they are dry after using a bathroom related to whether round edged bases are better for picking up vs GW styled angle beveled bases.
>>98480564>Crying about a dead franchise endlessly>AC>dead franchise>franchise so dead that the studio went out of their way to make a new game in the series that is one of the most succesful ones in the entire franchiseI don't play AC at all but I think you're kinda dumb. I don't think you understand what "dead franchise" means.
>>98480420>GW revives decades old specialist game>Makes it Horus Heresy only>None of the 14 horus heresy players buy it>Never receives even a single FAQ, completely forgotten and quietly squattedWhen will GW learn?
>army of uninhibited hedonists>all of them are asexual virgins
>>98480593I think GW makes those warhammer specialist games to hog shelf space from potential non-warhammer games and maybe conversion bits. My source comes from a decade old blackhead.
>>98480542>power level scalingfighting games don’t give a FUCK about power levels. Injustice has Harley Quinn fuck up Superman with not a care in the world, and that recent cash grab invincible game lets an old ass man beat the shit out of omni man.>but GW will carethey won’t, darktide and vermintide both have the characters face against shit that should see them dead instantly in lore, but ingame you can easily dog walk.
>>98480599I can't explain why but I really like the pale green helmet plumes.
>>98480579A general Commoragh politics simulation working from gang member up to Kabal, Cult, and Coven alliance with Incubi, Mandrakes, and Scourge contracts and competing with other rising Lords would be really cool.
The metamorphs were in combat with the Aggressors for 3 rounds, there was an incoming 8 power fist attacks with dmg 2, I just kept saving everything with 4+ FNP. Then a squad of JPI joined the fight but they were not able to kill them either.post games
>>98480640Why doe he carry the cum keg?
>tfw the Imperium is just the plucky underdogs who save the day same as a million other stories now
>>98480665Is that a GMOD or Source Filmmaker render?The Space Marine 2 models have already been ported? There might be some useful stuff in there for tabletop simulator if another coof happens or I get sick and have to stay at home but want to play 40k.What's the tabletop simulator Warhammer 40k scene like?
>>98480665okay smart guy, who are the REAL underdogs then?
>>98480710>What's the tabletop simulator Warhammer 40k scene like?Discord circlejerking, for the most partIf you have friends who you play games with (including 40k), it's an "alright" alternative if travel is an issue. TTS 40k is not a great experience with people you don't actually know.
>>98480710>What's the tabletop simulator Warhammer 40k scene like?Insanely sweaty tourneyfags.
>>98480710Last I heard a lot of 40k stuff on TTS got taken down.
>>98480727GSC, they're literally designed as it. Too bad all their iconic rules that rewarded playing as underdogs got stripped away. Fucking GW makes one nice thing and ruins it the next edition.
>>98480631Who'd make it?
>>98480405>TQ: Assuming GW didn’t care about popularity, what’s a weird schizo side game you’d want them to make?Ork Big Mek Garage Wars
>>98480727The Tau. They're outnumbered 1 million to one, have inferior technology, and for every planet they have, the enemy has 10,000 more planets. Their ONLY advantage is, unironically, the power of friendship.
>>98480731GW issued a C&D and took it down, and then it came back under a different name at a different link within minutes.That's the fun part about copyright infringement, it's a game of whack-a-mole where the mole you just whacked can come back at any time because you can't delete computer files.
>50+ posts>1 model actually posted Grim
Has anyone fucked around with black (or just generally non-glowing) lenses for space marine helmets? I feel like as long as it's high-contrast relative to the rest of the marine it'll probably look pretty good.>>98480768I guess this is the roll call for models. Have my collage WIP.
I'm trying to get into Eldar but the faction seems so depressingDo they get any 'wins
>local DEtranny keeps making rape jokes during gamesguys is she gonna rape me
>>98480768This isn't WIP general. Go there for you model posts.
>>98480782carcharodons have black glossy lenses
>>98480799No. They're the faction for feeling doomed and depressed about everything because everything is falling apart.
>>98480768I don’t like reposting my minis more than three times, so until I got something done, have something relevant to the conversation to show, or I’m directly challenged to “post models” I don’t like posting them.
>>98480807But they have cool colors :(
>>98480799>winsNo, definitely the wrong army for that. Last major W they got was Valedor and that's 15 years ago. If you want to play Eldar, the secret is to not care about the official fluff, you just like the faction.
>>98480803I like seeing completed models, and more importantly warhammer models.
>>98480801Could saying the jokes are “problematic” work in stopping it?Or would management do something if you complained about the player making you uncomfortable because of the jokes?Or will the local game store management just let the player keep going because we all know why?
>>98480818don't reply to him, he's still having his tantrum from a few days ago
>>98480803>open /wip/ >see pic relatedyeah, I think I’m good.
Let Chaos Idols take this thread!
>>98480828(s)he's one of those log cabin republican racist trannies i don't think (s)he's gonna gaf if I say it's le heckin problematic
>>98480805I had assumed it was the same medium red that every second chapter has. Neat. I imagine it wouldn't work for my raptor but I might try out a compromise.
>>98480801>She
>>98480815Basically:>Norse Pagans play Eldar>Christfags play Tau>Atheists play the Imperium>Satanists play Chaos>Agnostics play Orks
>>98480835I wish I could paint half as good as that.:(>>98480843Then report to management?
>>98480855no can do amigo the owner has a crush
how is the 40k setting dark? presume it has the same universal poverty level as the 1800's. if you are white and live in a developed country most people talking about 40k would be relatively comfortable and upper class.
>>98480852I've never seen someone been more wrong, this is incredible lmao. Is this like for a bit? Are you just pretending to be retarded?
>>98480874No it makes sense when you actually think about it for a second.
>>98480835holy fuck that's good
>>98480852I think you're retarded, but I also want to know what you think which religions align to which xenos armies.
>>98480852All the pagan larpers I know of play Space Wolves specifically
>>984808811/10 bait made me reply.
>>98480852All wrong lmao
>>984808681/10 bait
>>98480891As if space wolves fags didn't have it bad enough.
>>98480865anon, you have the opportunity to do the funniest thing ever
>>98480507>they’re piss easy to makeIt's one of the most difficult to produce for. It takes months to design and create a character for example. It's also really to fuck up the moving parts and create a dogshit set of broken or bland mechanics.
>>98480801>she
>>98480886>Eldar are a doomed race that know they're doomed, but are trying their best to fight against that doom, similar to Norse mythology >The Tau are a miniscule naive race in an evil world, but they continue to fight for their cause, optimistically believing that they will win because their cause is righteous, similar to the Tau>The Imperium knows it will win because it has the manpower, material, and technological advantage to overcome all obstacles, similar to how atheists view conflicts>Chaos are just edgelords like Satanists>Orks don't care like agnostics
>>98480868>presume it has the same universal poverty level as 1800's britainanon....
>>98480927That's not what I asked.
>>98480891that makes sense, neopaganism is used as a special interest/fashion statement even harder than modern christianity is, so anyone who claims to be a pagan would want to go for other pagan armies while a “true” christian wouldn’t factor their faith into their army.
>>98480917go on
HelloMy local game shop was having a beginner event recently where they loaned models to use for a few newbie v newbie matches and I chose to use the imperial knights. It was 500 point games and I had 3 armigers and an assassin. I played against space marines, space marines and then ork and won all 3I was told by the owner (in a friendly way I think) that if I chose to buy a box of armigers and play future games then I would need to tell people in advance that I am playing imperial knights so that they can prepareI really liked it but is that actually typically whats expected of this particular army?
>>98480935Well I don't know which would align with the Necrons and Tyranids if that's what you're asking.
>>98480940It's just that imperial knights are a skewed army of nothing but super heavy vehicles. So if someone doesn't have enough anti vehicle tech in their list then it's a one sided stomp. Conversely if they know in advance then they can stomp you. I don't understand why they get their own army rules and aren't just an ally you can bring in other imperial armies.
>>98480940Yeah. It's a low model count skew army, AKA basically a stat check against your opponent on whether or not they took enough anti-tank, which in addition to the low model count means that they aren't particularly fun to face for most people. But most people will be willing to fight them, it's just nice to let people know in advance so they can know what they're up against and prepare.
Me bored of Norse
>>98480940How does someone fall for this bait
>>98480837Congrats on ur gender euphoria, ratsis!
I play nids because they're just big bugs and running them forward mindlessly is fun. Everyone loves mowing down waves of bugs so they're fun for everyone. I make monster sounds when the trygon pops up out of the ground.I play eldar because they have cool tanks and cool guns and I tend to like elves in whatever stuff. I like fireprisms a lot. I have a couple dinosaur models with the body of wave serpents glued on the back lol so the new exodite stuff is exciting.My first army and my favorite army is sob. Also the best painted. They're super cool and I love cool chicks in cool armor in most things. I love their tanks especially the exorcist.Then last but not least, since eldar and sob are both kind of punching bags in both lore and tabletop, I also play marines so I can be gw's favorite child sometimes too and get to have an army that is both easy and strong at all times. I don't play them much but several times people have borrowed them for events so they're good to have. They're painted bog standard ultrasmurfs.If I were to ever collect a 5th army, it would definitely be guard. Rogal Dorns are cool and I like normal human factions in stuff. I'm often tempted to do it, but it would be storage space irresponsible.
>>98480960Because I want the world to know that I don't believe knights should be a real army and they should just be a unit that any imperial army can take. Same for chaos knights. An entire army of super heavies is RETARDED.
>>98480938Cuck the owner.
>>98480953>>98480954Oh, alright. I think they look cool and I liked not having to juggle a lot of data.Would I still have a chance to win games if my opponent was countering me in advance?>>98480960is not bait :(
Your new Imperial Knight
>>98480976The best part about playing knights is that people will counter your list by not playing with you! You wont need to even learn how the game works.
The Zentradi army would conquer the Imperium pretty easily ngl
Dark Eldar refresh is coming. I can feel it.
>>98480976Not really, but you'd have a better chance of winning against their counterlist than they would against your list.
>>98480994Meant for >>98480979
Are chaos/xenos players morally degenerate for not rooting for the human species? Are they species traitors?
>>98481004
>Create your main faction in the setting>Make it a disorganized clusterfuck with millions of sub-organizations so you can have endless 'your dudes' potential>Make it so massive that people can 'your dudes' entire planets into existence and tens of thousands of planets can be won or lost without affecting the main faction's power>Make the main faction the most powerful faction in the setting so they can fight everyone else at the same time and even themselves without affecting the balance of power>Include some super-soldiers in the mega-faction so people can still feel elite>Then make the primary antagonist faction a mirror reverse of the main faction that's just "them, but evil">And include a few side factions who are much more monotonous but also more efficient for people who like that kind of thingThis is a recipe for success so why does only 40k do it?
>>98481016because it wouldn't work outside of a wargaming context. look at other successful wargaming settings for similar examples.
>>98481004This is what self inserters actually believe
>>98481013Fuck ON Destinyfag
>>98481004self inserting marinefags will say this, but not be able to bench 135lbs.
>>98481036>>98481026are you guys talking about valrak or bohemond?
>>98481004Are marines players degenerates for fantasizing about getting injected with another man's seed?
ORKS TOMORROW
When it comes to making your own map layouts in Kill Team or I guess even regular 40k, what are some rules of thumb to follow? I hear Symmetrical maps are some of the worst kinds of layouts you could ever do but if you don't do symmetrical, how is a map ever balanced?
>>98481004Yeah basically.
>>98481016>why does only 40k do it?What other settings are you looking at that don't do this, albeit at scales appropriate for their setting?
What is Chaos Undivided really like? Reason I ask is because I am putting together a homebrew faction that would probably be undivided but the idea is that they usually the strengths of those each chaos god strategically I guess. So if you know its going to get hot and heavy in melee, maybe you bring the Khorne worhsipping marines etc. I was also playing around with the idea of a CSM equivalent to sort of how the Deathwatch work. Where it is a group of elite chaos space marines from differing chaos god factions. So from a lore perspective, what does being "Chaos Undivided" really mean?
>complain about new products being very close to scams with less and less in bundle boxes while prices keep going up >2 weeks later some rando appears to suck gws dick saying new components are higher quality than ever beforeAutocad slop with randomly cut off hands will never be on my 'high tier' list for anything, especially with fucking prices constantly rising.
>>98480940>>98480976Knights are a total coinflip. If your opponent doesn't have enough anti-tank or you take theirs out early, you steamroll them. If your opponent has too much anti-tank then you get steamrolled. While 3 Armigers and an Assassins is technically ~500 points, it's still way too much for a 500 point game since most armies won't have enough to fight back with. You know how every other army has a Combat Patrol with ~400-500 points? The Imperial Knights "Combat Patrol" list is just a single box of 2 Armigers that plays a completely separate area control game (No idea how this works with 11th edition rules). If what you liked in Knights is the "Wow cool Robot" aspect you might wanna try Tau. The Combat Patrol + a squad of 3 Battlesuits for the Commander to lead is ~ 500 points depending on the loadouts you choose and is ~$200 in terms of models.
Imperial Assassin's?More like Imperial Footfootout's.
>>98481078What do you mean by randomly cut off hands?
>>98481095How shit a time would it be to kitbash gue'vesa that are actually wielding tau guns?
>>98481004who fucking caresI bet you know what penis taste like
>>98481108You don't?
Why do people play full scale 40k? You bring all these units to a sweat shop, set it up on the board, get shot off the board and thats it. I would say Kill Team is superior because its smaller transport and the turn setup is a bit less ass than full scale 40k. AND you have to paint fewer models for kill team and can convert more etc. Full scale 40k seems like aids the more I think about it.
>>98481100A lot of autocad designed sloppa has totally random points where the mold is cut or whatever so when you're assembling shit you might have to find part 98 because part 97 is an arm that's missing the fucking thumb of the hand that is also weirdly attached to the pistol, except then part of the pistol will be part 101 and you have to hunt around the spure to find these tiny ass cut up bits instead of just>legs>torso>arms>gun>headLike the older 'simple and shitty' sprues that were not designed to give me a fucking aneurysm and that GW deliberately shits up to make it difficult for recasters (a problem that would not exist if they were not, again, ultrajews with their pricing).
>>98480979Are those fags at Bandai ever gonna make another Big Zam kit?
>>98480450the series peaked with Tekken 3
>>98481103depends on whether you see it as a good or bad thing if GW randomly drops Kill Team: Gue'vesa in 12 months.
>>98480768Last repost of these guys. Next time they'll have another member.
>>98481049Best you can do is make a thematic layout that you and your opponent agree on. It's not easy to balance an asymmetrical map, so just try to balance the sizes of terrain across the board so that you don't end up with a map where, for example, you have an impenetrable fortress in the corner.
>>98481004I like orks because they appeal to my sense of childlike whimsy
>>98480596>watermarknewfags pls10/10 image otherwise
>>98480596Is your attention span so shit you couldn't wait the 10 seconds for the overlay to disappear?
>>98481097>Not boobbooboutsNgmi
I LIKE ORKS ECKS DEE
>>98480438Deathwatch apparently.
>>98480438If you're looking to get into the hobby side, find a kill team squad that you like if is from an army your interested in, that'll give you a good taste in building and painting, and also is useful if you want to get further into the play side because you can than pick up a combat patrol and have a small force to play with.Definitely use free resources like wahapedi a new recruit as well.
>>98480969>t.runs all Terminators
Actually, why doesn't the Tau have an elite infantry equivalent like the Tempestus Scions?
>>98481026>40k self insertersAcross nerd culture I sometimes wonder how much damage self inserting has done. Especially Warhammer 40k. Never seen it at the LGS, but if you lads can tell me what the signs are of someone taking self insertion too far at the LGS please tell me.In writing, some just can't help themselves. A good number of female characters have striking resemblances to their female writers. I might unconsciously write a character who might happen to be a self insert. But I hope I'll have the sense to not go too far or kill the character if it becomes the case.
>>98481075there's many chaos undivided >undecided: relative newbie, not particularly blessed yet, will probably fall to one specific god or another eventually>unidentified: is blessed by a patron, but little is known about the patron, it may be a lesser power or a lesser known aspect of a known god>unstable: all gods together, but only expressed on rotation, never together >united: all gods together, but still expressed in recognisably distinct fashions, even when at the same time>unified: all gods together, blended into one homogenous expression >ascendant: all gods together, yoked by an impartial hand, only abaddon and a rare few have the willpower to do this>unconcerned: little more than a man-shaped monster, if he's blessed or not and by who it doesn't matter>undeceived: follows the one true beast at the heart of chaos, not any of the ramifications people know as the 4 gods
>>98480438Watch some painting videos from someone like Duncan Rhodes until you determine that you're physically and mentally capable of putting two thin coats of paint to plasticGet a cheap and basic box of dudes that you think have cool models and loreBuild up an army at however fast or slow a pace you feel likeDon't become a larper/self-inserter/etc.
>>98481103I'm surprised that some autist STL maker hasn't remade the Imperial Guard tanks to look like T'au manufactured patterned ones so a full guevesa guard army can be made. Does anybody here know of one that has been made?
>politics of every factionNPCs play space marines (any political affiliation)Chudcels (homosexual) play guardSocialists play tyranidsWith SoB it’s either “Most racist man alive but too much of a pussy to say anything”, woman, or dude who is a feminist because he is into femdomHipsters with a “niche” ideology they copied from the internet play agentsLil timmy who is only barely aware that politics exists plays knightsAdmech players are leftist goonersCustodes players are either normies or 600lbs fascist discord mods, no in betweenLiberals who won’t admit they fucking love western imperialism play TauChungus Redditors play OrksChungus Redditors play NecronsGSC is played by conservative christians with weird complexes around “breeding”. Seriously the most fetishy faction by far I don’t know what the fuck is up with thatCSM is just edgy marines, maybe leaning slightly more progressive except for tsons who are chuds despite being gay for magnusVotannfags are “traditionalists” that don’t do anything traditional (being a fat alcoholic manlet does not make you a dwarf in real life)Deldar players are low iq anarchists Eldar players are high iq anarchistsNobody plays daemons
>>98481202They haven't found the need to develop more elite infantry yet. Usually the problem for Tau isn't their infantry not being skilled enough at their job, but more not understanding the true threat at work against them
>>98481241>GSC is played by conservative christians with weird complexes around “breeding”. Seriously the most fetishy faction by far I don’t know what the fuck is up with thatLiterally never seen someone like this before. All the gsc players I see online and have met irl are communist faggots.
It is now occurring to me that I probably should have looked up how to paint miniatures sometime between buying paint and starting to paint my miniatures..
>>98481227My thought with gue'vesa was to make them fire warrior proxies so that they can fight along all the tau battlesuits.>>98481241>(being a fat alcoholic manlet does not make you a dwarf in real life)WHY NOT?????
>>98481241I'm really glad I'm not autistic enough to write 40k x politics fanfiction
>>98481203>Across nerd culture I sometimes wonder how much damage self inserting has done. Especially Warhammer 40k. Unfathomable amounts. > Never seen it at the LGS, but if you lads can tell me what the signs are of someone taking self insertion too far at the LGS please tell me.The most obvious example is someone unsubtly making a miniature of themselves for the commander of their army. Less obvious forms of it include getting irrationally angry at other people for insulting their army, or irrationally angry when they lose. Or they feel the need to brag about lore IE "did you know the Necrons can easily beat every other faction combined if they wake up enough?" or "As soon as Dorn returns, the Imperium wins the whole setting low diff"
>>98481242I mean there's more Tempestus Scions than there are Tau in the galaxy, you'd think the Tau would want to at least make what few troops they do have better.
>>98481202Why train elite infantry when pathfinders, stealth suits and crisis battlesuits already fill the same roles scions do?
>>98481258>i’m not autistic enough to…if you are on /40kg/ you definitely are
>>98480940It's a legal army so the problem is them, not you, but if you want to be nice/fair to new/casual fags, there's a detachment that lets you bring up to 500 pts of Skitari and AdMech. Chaos Knights have one for cultists. Compfags can take the thunderfist up their ass; they're just salty their low-leve jank lost.
>>98481266They have Battlesuits for that. Building more battlesuits is much more efficient than using Imperial methods of high-casualty training that leaves 90 out of 100 orphans dead, as well as hypno-indoctrination to mute undesired emotions like fear and independent thought.
>>98481256>to make them fire warrior proxiesNot to refer you to a yt video but Duncan Rhodes literally has a video kitbashing Cadians and Fire Warriors to do literally what you're asking for that you can "use as inspiration" or whatever.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WXSvDjvDeQ
>>98480768my latest models
>>98481241Is the lesson to be learned that at best you can strive to be "one of the good exceptions" of your army in a sea of autists? >>98481256That can work but it all comes down to communication between you and your opponent. If the model is homebrew in the sense with it's own stats then you need to let your opponent also play homebrew too if he has any. I think this maximizes the chances of allowed homebrew units.Also both of you need to show the homebrew stats and settle on them.>>98481263>Unfathomable amounts.What are the biggest examples of this self insert epidemic? >examples I think that is just autism, but I get what you mean.
>>98481277Is Tempestus Scion training really that deadly?
>>98481202Stealth Suits are their rough equivalent. You have to remember the average fire warrior is already operating at the highest level of combat effectiveness any tau can be expected to without some kind of exo suit
>>98481192right now I'm mostly just into the lore, I'm a 40 year old edgelord so the grimdark vibe really appeals to me
>>98481004What if I support xenos because I wish to engage in sexual relations with them?
>>98481289>What are the biggest examples of this self insert epidemic?Homestuck and MLP
>>98481291The Schola Progenium is already like a 10 year boot-camp with no end, and that's considered mild compared to Scion training. Only the highest performing and most devoutly loyal of every crop of trainees survives Scion training. Washouts don't get to go back to the Schola and apply for a different vocation.
>>98481095physically hurts.
>>98481266And the Imperium only devotes (if you can call it that) a tiny fraction of those scions to fighting the Tau. The Tau don't have the same big picture view of the galaxy the Imperium's upper echelons (kind of) do. It's not some war of attrition. Why the fuck would they make super elite delta force tau when they can just train their more experienced troops to pilot battlesuits/stealth suits which are basically big infantry anyways to go on the same missions scions do? And pathfinders fill the scout shit that scions sometimes do (but regular guard regiments can also do). Tau have special forces, they're just not structured the same or as such like the Imperium does with scions.
>>98481202they do, they are called suits.
>>98481315I anticipate who will play Megalovania in Deltarune.
>>98481321all of that just to die like punks in a warzone
>>98481289>Is the lesson to be learned that at best you can strive to be "one of the good exceptions" of your army in a sea of autists?No, the lesson you should be learning here is play what you like and ignore politics-obsessed strangers on the internet trying to put you in a box because you like the scifi spacemen or green mad max hooligans
>>98481305Then it just depends on the xenos
>>98481334I mean do we ever really see Tempestus Scions being treated like cannon fodder like the Guard is? The Guard you can afford to throw away like candy because they recruit hundreds of trillions of them every year, but I get the impression Scions are more rare, and more importantly, the best thing short of Space Marines that can actually reliably be called upon to handle tasks.
>>98481344How to free oneself from being perceived as cringe then? Especially when homebrewing 40k stuff.I have been afflicted with this for longer than I want to admit.
>>98480450https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CTeLy3Ujxc
Newfag here if 8 of my 10 models in a unit can see 1 out of 10 models in an enemy unit then can all 10 of my models shoot it or just the 2 that can see it?
Honest question: How the FUCK do you tell how important or big a conflict actually is to the Imperium when the numbers are so inconsistent and the writers love to hype every conflict up as being a major conflict?
whoops, >>98481383for >>98480489
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>>98481387Planetary importance<system importance<sector importance<mass warp incursion<hive fleet<mass waaaagh
>>98481402>shiniggers getting a taste of how broken they were on release you LOVE to see it
>>98481387The whole Imperium/Empire infinite planets/villages is part of why I never felt there was any sort of grounding in some of these settings. Dying races like Eldar/Elves just keep on dying by the googolplex but never die out.
>>98481406How do you tell whether a sector/system/planet is actually important though? Like some are obvious, Cadia is important because it was the only way to stop chaos from ripping the galaxy a new asshole, Armageddon is important because it's the final line of defense before the Orks are besieging Terra itself, Terra and Mars are both important because the Astronomicon and Void Dragon are there......but Maccrage and Baal doesn't seem that important outside of having sentimental value to two of the most popular Space Marine chapters. Likewise, your typical forge world or hive world really doesn't matter that much, the Imperium can always just make more.
>>98481363Damn those tanks look good in whiteToo bad there aren’t any good baneblade scans
>>98481387Two ways.First way is to examine how strategically critical a battle is to the Imperium. If it involves galactic choke points, magic plot mcguffins etc then its kind of important.Second way is to examine the armed forces that the Imperium uses. If the Imperium lets a world stand on its own without any major reinforcements, they're willing to let it die. If you see a dozen custodes appear on the field then the Imperium is shitting its pants and cannot afford to lose that battle.
>>98481437Would it be safe to say that, for all intents and purpose, the amount of Guardsmen involved in a battle doesn't actually matter for determining importance, and only the amount of Space Marines and Custodes involved should be the metric used?
>>98481423People production<food production<shrine world<marine recruitment planet/fortress monastery<factory world<key guard world<super special worlds with very important mcguffins
>>98481370>How to free oneself from being perceived as cringe then? Don't be a faggot, it's pretty simple.>Especially when homebrewing 40k stuff.The key thing to remember is not to be overbearing with it. A lot of people will not give a single fuck about your epic homebrew lore because they're just there to move plastic and roll dice, and that's perfectly fine. Don't try to force your epic army backstory on people, but feel free to bring it up if it comes up or you've found a more narrative focused group.As for actual homebrewing advice, I usually try to stick with only 1-3 deviations from "standard" lore. If your space marine chapter is descended from a lost primarch, dont also make them best buds with the inquisition AND receiving special equipment from the admech, for example. Also you should give them some drawbacks to balance out their merits. If your ork warboss is some flavor of oddboy, then maybe he doesn't have enough support to get a proper WAAAAGH going and instead is more of a pirate raider or mercenary for hire to bigger warbosses/other factions. You should also avoid tying them too closely to major players in the setting, e.g. don't make your chapter master secret besties with Guilliman or your chaos warband leader Abaddon's secret mentor and confidante.
>>98481452Mostly agree with this, but I would put Factory Worlds < Fortress Monastaries (certainly for the First Founding chapters at least)
>>98481443No, dispite all the memes the guard really does do the heavy lifting for the imperium. If they're deployed en mass it's usually some kind of big deal.
>>98481443I think that's about right. Although the Imperium does get pissed when someone touches their armored divisions.They care more about munitions and tanks than the lives of their own Guardsmen
If your unit gets charged and has a fight on death, do those units that fight on death get to pile in?
>>98481474The problem is you can't use numbers of Guard to determine how important a conflict actually is to the Imperium. Take Armaggedon for example. VERY important conflict zone to the Imperium. Only 1.5 million Guard deployed. Then you have the Canis Salient. A side-project of not much importance to the Imperium which they delayed for a while because they had more important things going on. 150 billion Guardsmen deployed.
>>98481491never trust gw troop numbers
Reminder that you can destroy infinite Imperial worlds and the writers will keep creating new ones. Destroy as many as you want, the Imperium will always have more. So long as it's not an actual plot important place like Terra or Ultramar, the Imperium can suffer any number of losses because the worlds you destroyed literally didn't exist before the story that destroyed them.The Imperium is unstoppable. The Emperor has already won.
>>98481491Billions for a crusade is fairly normal, they then break those billions apart into individual planetary invasion forces, so you end up with each target planet getting a few thousand regiments (a few million guardsmen) deployed to them.
>>98481495Which is why you can't use Imperial Guard numbers as a metric for which to judge how important a conflict is. Only Space Marines and Custodes really matter for that metric. A few hundred space marines is a minor conflict. A few thousand is a major conflict. Tens of thousands is a serious conflict.
Which do Votann have?
>TQTabletop? Gorkamorka 2.0Digital? A labor & resource management game kinda like Soviet Republic, but it's not a city builder. You start as the Adept in charge of a single gun in an Imperial warship, and the game is to have it run as efficiently as possible. The ship goes in and out of battle, effecting things like manpower attrition and supplies. As you progress, you are put in charge of a whole battery of guns, then support systems like sensors and shields for that part of the ship, and as you progress you are put in charge of more and more of the ship's systems until you are second only to the Captain.
LE ECKS DEE XD XDXD :DD XDI'm indifferent to orks
>>98481491>Take Armaggedon for example. VERY important conflict zone to the Imperium. Only 1.5 million Guard deployed.source for this? there’s no fucking way they made the population that low when even a meme war like vietnam got more than double that amount, and WW2 was close to 100 million.
>>98481468Yeah it depends on the chapter. Generally speaking if something goes wrong on a marine world the it's either left as a "clean up your own mess" type deal, or the high lords start getting badab flashbacks and everybody suddenly gets real twitchy.
>>98481497You can say basically the same about nids, orks and chaos. It is this way by design.
>>98481497Cadia
>>98481045ORKS TOMORROW
>>98480742ME
>>98481521>AIslopyou couldn't make anything
>>98481505An entire ship full of an exiled Emperor's men
Is the game currently good, especially when compared to other editions in the past 10 years?>It's never been good. Especially since 4th edi-In the past 10 years.
>>98481510>https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Third_War_for_Armageddon_-_Imperial_Order_of_Battle#Imperial_Guard_and_PDFNow, to be fair, this proves the point being made that only Space Marine numbers matter, because like 50,000 Space Marines were deployed to Armaggedon, which proves how important it was to the Imperium.For comparison, the Tau have never fought even 1,000 Space Marines in their existence. Hundreds of billions of Guardsmen, and several Titan legions, but not once have they ever had a battle where so much as 1,000 Space Marines were involved. This is how you know the Imperium doesn't care about them.
>>98481532First off, fuck you for making feel old.Secondly.. ehh. Just make some cardboard cutouts, get some dice, maybe a few DVD cases and play a game with yourself. That's the only real way to tell.
>>98481505Votann range from top to bottom depending on which League and which Kindred you're talking about. The URSR is closer to the top, they'd literally rather die than suffer the dishonor and disgrace of letting one of their Hearthworlds fall to their enemies. They also have some of the strictest oaths for Kin to uphold, and the most severe consequences for failing. Most other Leagues are a lot more... open-minded. Willing to compromise for the sake of pragmatism. They consider the URSR a bit strange.
>>98481542>Most other Leagues are a lot more... open-minded.They fuck Men of Iron. You can say it.
>>98481544As per MoI's purpose.
>>98481532>Is the game currently goodNo, it's lower than it's ever been. Yes, including 7th edition. Yes, including 9th's ridiculous powercreep. The problem isn't that they're ruining the game rules with 'streamlining' and removing all the fun shit to appeal to the lowest common denominator, though that is part of it. The real problem is that kits are becoming less and less customizable, datasheets are losing all their wargear options (look what they did to Wyches... absolute bloodbath of their sheets), and customizability is taking a backseat to an increasingly soulless store of kits and sprues that simply aren't designed for hobbyists to get creative anymore. Except when GW gets lazy and decides to offload terrain and sprues that are actually REQUIRED to play a game onto the customer, "lol figure it out fuckers". Thanks GW.>In the past 10 years.I think the only edition that gives 10th/11th a run for its money in the last 10 years is 7th. Just because it really, really was that bad. But the biggest problems from back then are creeping back into the game and everything else that would normally redeem 40k is getting worse.
>>98481536I can play with myself and pretend the Fusion Blades are still in the game. I control my own experience.It's others what I can't control. I have to ask and reason and bargain. Hence, I ask about the game as-is. Unmodified.With fusion blades nowhere to be seen u.u
>>98481544It is funny to me that the Votann basically exist to show that the Men of Iron winning the war would've been the GOOD end and the AI ban actually was just straight up retarded
>>98481566But they were sent out to explore and do stuff before everything else collapsed.
>>98481581But we have no reason to assume their AI wouldn't have come to the same conclusions as the other human AIs
>>98481566Nah, the Votann Cores weren't affected by the conditions that led to the Men of Iron rebellion because they were stranded in the galactic core. By the time the Votanns and the First Ancestors sorted out basic survival and navigation, and then managed to re-establish contact with the wider Age of Strife galaxy, they weren't sure exactly what went wrong to cause the war but knew they wanted no part of it. It's like the cousins watching the family have a gigantic falling out and then turning to each other and vowing to never, ever let things get that bad for themselves.
>>98481587The way Dorf society works in subservice is nothing like Interex or DAoT remnants the Imperium found.
1 million planets is nothing there are probably a trillion of those fuckers in the milky wayThere are probably shitloads of xenos civilizations chilling surrounded by calm sections of the warp where most can’t navigate
>>98481560I wasn't yet here in the golden era. What should Wyches be like?
>>98481592But they're ruled by their AI, for all intents and purposes they are a society where the AI won the war.
>>98481506I like this
>>98481604>But they're ruled by their AIThe Leagues are ruled by Hearthspakes of Kin. Ironkin and Votann are not members of Hearthspakes. >for all intents and purposes they are a society where the AI won the war.No, they're a society where the AI and the humans never went to war in the first place.
Can the Votann make breasts bigger?
>>98481532>>98481560I sometimes wonder if Warhammer 40k's games were ever good. Maybe the best are just mediocre compared to historical stuff. I mean the terrain and model painting techniques from historical wargamers absolutely put Warhammer stuff to shame so their games are probably better written too.What were the biggest offenses of 7th edition? Truthfully I'm not sure if 4th edition was that great as I know that nostalgia tints a lot of opinion so I take all opinions with a grain of salt.And also most stuff I enjoyed as a kid tended to be slop looking back so I am a bit cynical.
>>98480891Eldar are Germanic as fuck.Read the Wanderer (which is admittedly a product of Anglo-Saxon Christianity)
>>98481598Wyches once had a nice variety of weapon choices to choose from: agonizers, razorflails, the shardnet and impaler, hydra gauntlets, so on. Each came with their own specific utility. Sure, most people only ever picked one or two of those options because they were stronger than others, but in 10th edition GW decided in their infinite wisdom to remove ALL weapon choices from Wyches and simplify their datasheet into:>Wych Melee WeaponsThey're not the only sheet that had this treatment, just the one that comes to mind right now.
>>98481592>Votann Cores weren't affected by the conditions that led to the Men of Iron rebellion because they were stranded in the galactic core.There's no RAM in the galactic core or something? The Men of Iron's AI calculated mankind should be destroyed. The one reason for votanns survival is that they do not count as mankind. They are their own, literally stunted, thing.
>>98481620>Ironkin are not members of Hearthspakes.That's pretty fucked, I thought they were like brothers to the fleshdrones
I vaguely remember some lore mentioning that these big planet eating Votann ships have been captured by some forces of chaos. I think one mention was Iron Warriors and the other being the Night Lords.Can anyone confirm or correct with book sources please? Lastly are the Mechanicus gonna make any operations on these big ships? They already do with Necron tech but you'd think given the history of Votann supposedly being an offshoot of humanity that their tech and their ships would be a higher priority.
>>98481620Votann literally dictate the culture and direction of a League, like the newer one that only prints out xenophobic kin and puts a xenocide quota on them.
The more I read about votann lore the more I hate their inclusion in the setting, what a poorly thought out faction.
>>98481506But imperial gunnery decks are le heckin' grimderp and bad! Majorkill and reddit told me so!!!
>>98481663They don't feel that bad, my biggest issue with them is that they're in the same position as the Imperium of being a slowly decaying faction
>>98481663I can't even hate their inclusion because they're barely included. They're just clinging to 40K's asshairs like a dingleberry
The more I read about Destiny lore the more I love using proper capitalization, what wonderful grammar.
>>98481663Even their psychic powers. Magitech SHOULD be cool. But instead they are "warp powers but actually safe".Written by cowards.
>>98481645>The one reason for votanns survival is that they do not count as mankind. They are their own, literally stunted, thing.The Kin consider themselves human and are usually annoyed whenever Imperials call them Squats or abhumans. The Votann know this better than anyone, being the ones who genetically engineer them from human DNA sequences. The Votann just don't subscribe to any Men of Iron nonsense about humanity being a blight, or whatever it was that led to the rebellion. >>98481647There's nothing that actually bars Ironkin from being a member of a Hearthspake, they just don't usually want to be in positions of leadership. They prefer to support, serve, and assist the Kin. There's a legend of an Iron Kahl who took command of a Kinhost after the fleshy Kahl was slain in battle, leading them to victory, but the Ironkin who did so slipped away after the war was won and was never seen again.
Post the post about how other factions are to humanity, like the Tau an immature naive race like the past and how the Eldar are what the Imperium will become, and then how the Nids just want to eat.
>>98481680>slowly decaying factionThey can create new Cores, actually. Lesser fanes can be fed materials and people to digievolve into fully fledged cores
>>98480640How do they get 4+ FNP?>nurgle daemin prince charges gorkanaut>does 12 wounds in one turn of CC>it was already wounded so on 1 wound left>plaguebearer kills it>prince gets shot next turn by Mek, loses 6 wounds and diesOh well he did good.
The more I read about votabb lore the more I want I want the inclusion of more destiny in votann.
>>98481680But being a decaying faction too stubbornly rooted in their self-destructive traditions to course correct is like the entire shtick for dwarves. What were you expecting?
>>98481659>Votann literally dictate the culture and direction of a League,Not true at all. Leagues are formed from Kindreds that come together under a common cause. Kin set the goals and dictate the culture of their own Leagues.>like the newer one that only prints out xenophobic kin and puts a xenocide quota on them.That's just one Votann having a personal vendetta. It's not in charge of its league, all it does is ensure every Kin it produces likes the idea of xenocide. It's up to the Kin of the League to decide if they even care about that, or how they would go about it, or if they would prefer to go mining instead to make number go up.
>>98481709I expected this picture
>>98481690>The Kin consider themselves humanIdentify as you wish, but human legs don't begin at the knee.I would take dwarves and dwarf equivalent seriously if they weren't always depicted as "humans but without femurs"
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>>98481663They're fine in my opinion. The model range is a bit generic looking but that can be improved. They're just woefully underexplored. It would have helped a lot if GW hadn't squatted the Squats and instead just quietly developed them as a minor faction of mystery for the last couple of decades until finally releasing them.
>>98481716Breed with Neanderthals and incorporate them in our genome.
>>98481711Leagues are formed around a Votann. A new league formed when that xenocidal Votann was born.>It's not in charge of its league, all it does is ensure every Kin it produces likes the idea of xenocide.If you dictate the personalities and desires of everyone you "serve" then you're in charge.
>>98481713>>98481720Has this 40k Votann=Destiny meme taken off in other parts of the 40k normie social sphere? Or is this just a meme forced by a few autists?
>>98481679Yes? Is this a problem for my grim dehumanizing logistics simulator?
>>98481727>a few autistsTry one. And it's so dead on arrival even in this general people just ignore him.
>>98481713The concept art is always so much better than the real thing.
Too much dwarf beard axeNot enough gnome
>>98481724Early sapiens could do copulate with neanderthals because both had femurs, you see
>>98481727Normies are too busy trying to brute force DRG memes onto the votann to care about a dead game.
I like replying to anons who reply to my posts telling them it's only me.
>>98481713I like his prior characterization more.
What if Death Korp GF, but she was rehabilitated by the Tau to actually value her own life somewhat?
>>98481738ErgoGNOMICS
Discuss Interex centaurs
>>98481738Didn't they release an entire unit of gnomes? The Science Brigade midgets or whatever their trademarkable name is?
>>98481726>Leagues are formed around a Votann. Ah, so it's you again. That's not true, as I already told you before. There are many minor leagues that have zero Votanns and recruit new membership from other Leagues that do have Votanns. >A new league formed when that xenocidal Votann was born.You've gotta stop getting your lore from the wiki, retarded shitposter. It didn't form from a Votann Core being born, it was already a Kindred. The birth of the Votann caused it to immediately gain influence and wealth and the support of other Kindreds, enough to become a League of its own.>If you dictate the personalities and desires of everyone you "serve" then you're in charge.Holy cope.
>>98481755Wrong thread?
This picture I saved to invoke anger in anon.
>>98481727It’s literally one dude lol
>>98481703Normally 5+ but the iconward changes it to 4+>>98480640I'm surprised that it lasted that long, interested to see how the hand flamers went as they are classed as pistols
>>98481727I reply to you again because I like you. The gaps between my replies indicate I am one guy, just like I said.
I wish Votann were more destiny
>>98481790Hey fuck off I'm trying to convince other anon that I'm the only one. You're spoiling it.
>>98481731yes!!! The Imperium is meant to be WHOLESOME!!! and RATIONAL!!! loretubers and reddit told me so!
>>98480835I need to go there for tips, that looks fuckin great
>>98480768What paints did you use for the tabard and the armour?
>>98481764>so it's you againI have no idea who "you" is, so it sounds like multiple anons are disagreeing with you.>There are many minor leagues that have zero VotannsBecause they lost theirs. This is not a good situation to be in.>You've gotta stop getting your lore from the wikiNever bothered with the wiki, retard>It didn't form from a Votann Core being born, it was already a KindredYes, it was a subservient subfaction of a larger League. Until it had a Votann and became its own League. Because Leagues are formed around Votanns.>Holy copeThey literally dictate the League's culture and values, as you yourself conceded with the Xenocide League only being xenocidal because its Votann decided it hates aliens. Nevermind the fact that any decree from a Votann is considered the sacrosanct edict of all of a League's ancestors.
is this like 0%wr shit or is the game balanced enough that i could learn to swing it around...?rule of cool list...
>anon shadowboxing redditors again.
>>98481793Wholesome and rational is a spectrum. They're wholesome and rational compared to all the other factions.
>lorefags being lorefagsShiggy
This is how I want Votann.
>>98481813I don't think you have, m8
>>98481755>Their warriors could ride on four-legged robots to form a centaur-like warrior that fought with laser arrows that could easily penetrate power armor.Hey we can make this into Votann bull centaurs
Eldar Miku is a cute
Is the main problem people have with votann that their all dour and surly instead of raucous and boisterous like Gimli? Is it a case of "why don't exodites use laserbows?" but applied to spess dorfs?
>>98481822But lore parts say they're capable of having happy jolly times and this got>muh not grimdarkresponses on /tg/.
Mode Dwarves need to be like Gimli. This means thinking Elf bitches are hot. https://files.catbox.moe/6i2mka.jpg
While the setting as a whole is becoming a bit more noblebright it's not like the calculus between the factions has changed, the Imperium still comes out looking like a saint compared to everyone else.>The Eldar are constantly manipulating people and will sacrifice a billion humans to save a single Eldar>The Tau are primitive fascists with dreams of conquering the galaxy>The Votann ruthlessly exploit and harvest entire planets with only mild care for whoever is already living on them>The Necrons see every fleshbag as being just a serf at best to them and at worst wanting outright genocide against all living things>I'm not even going to bother mentioning the others because they're so comically evil it's not even worth including on the listCompared to that, yeah, the Imperium has always been heroic.
>>98481822Why don't exodites use laser bows, actually? What do they even use? They are space amish....do irl Amish use muskets and crossbows??
If Eldar were more like WHFB Elves>Craftsworlds use Avatar of Asuryans instead of Khaine>hate DEldar so much that they'd jump in Slaanesh's mouth before helping them>allied/breeding space dragons and space phoenix>occasionally have guys with axes wearing pelts of hunted animals>DEldar hate Craftsworlders so much they allied with Chaos many times to fuck with them>worship Khaine >constantly bitching about how muh birthright and how they're the true Eldar
>>98481843They are the true eldar though. Just like how the normal transformer is a deception, as shown by the Cube
>>98481838>the Imperium still comes out looking like a saint compared to everyone else.they literally grind the souls out of innocent citizens to fuel their insane war machine death cult
>>98481851Yes but what they at least try to minimize the suffering to just what is necessary for their survival, the other factions relish in it.
>>98481793I hate that artwork so much. It makes the Imperium look so fucking lame.
>>98481851>they literally grind the souls out of innocent citizens to fuel their insane war machine death cultOthers grind the souls of innocent citizens to fuel their HERETICAL war machine death cults, anon. It's worse.
>>98481860>ok we torture and kill millions of people, but it's pursuit of the greater good!yeah nah IDK that it makes things better, if anything the most moral faction is the Tyranids because they're just tryin' to eat
>>98480747Friendship. Friendship and superior firepower, but mostly superior firepower. But yeah friendship helps.
>>98481822the problem probem is that secondaries get all their lore from sloptubers, shorts, and memes, so their views on each 40k faction are heavily skewed to the "lol randumb" plebbit interpretation.
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>>98481860>other factions relish in itIf you can't leave your job, love it!
>>98481874In all seriousness though, there is genuinely a soullessness to the other factions in the way they treat their people. Take the Tau for example. To them, everyone is just a resource to be used. They don't consider the humanity of the person at all, you're just a tool to them, that's why they equip their soldiers better, because their dehumanization of people results in a sort of ruthless calculus where "better equipped soldiers perform better in battle" and they can't imagine the power of human grit getting by with more simple tools.
>>98481888Anon, to your own irl company's HR you are a resource to be used to increase shareholder value. Tau (or Imperium) aren't all that different – their leaders are willing to kill in order to keep their standard of living.I'm going to kill the filthy xenos for being different, not because it acts exactly just like a human seeing for its own misbegotten kind.Grim dark, remember?
>>98480405>Assuming GW didn’t care about popularity, what’s a weird schizo side game you’d want them to make?I want the original Necromunda plans to continue, where it was going to become a galactic spanning series using the same core rules and idea (gangs fighting over territory) but jump around all over the place - Gorkamorka was the second one, but it was supposed to continue. After that we were supposed to get AdMech cyborg gangs in the underhives of a Forge World, Death World feral jungle tribes, different aspect temples on a Craftworld that broke down into civil war, and the undercity of Commorragh/the Webway, plus whatever other crazy ideas they came up with (different Chaos cults on a Daemon World, different breeds of Kroot with divergent adaptations, etc)It's a damn shame Blanche is passed now because I'm not sure if GW will pull off many more really creative and unique release without his concept art. They should start mining old White Dwarf Blanchitsu articles for ideas.
>>98481888>In all seriousness though, there is genuinely a soullessness to the other factions in the way they treat their people.THE IMPERIUM DRAINS A THOUSAND PSY SOULS A DAY TO KEEP THE EMPEROR ALIVE THEY TREAT THEIR SOLDIERS AND CIVILIANS AS IMMINENTLY DISPOSABLE ASSETSIT'S A SOULLESS BUREAUCRACY THAT CRUSHES ALL WHO PARTICIPATE THERE ARE NO GOOD GUYSWAKE THE FUCK UP
>>98481899The Imperium has a sort of classical beauty to it though. You see this in the pleasure worlds and garden worlds. Solarpunk utopias of idyllic peaceful living. To the Votann and Tau, such things are anathama, they're far too obsessed with number-crunching efficiency to simply let beauty exist.
>>98481851Without the war machine they all die to aliens and heretics, anon. The way the Imperium operates is the lesser evil.
>The Imperium's cruelty is necessary and the alternative is destruction.>The Imperium's cruelty is unnecessary and goes beyond necessary evil.>muh imperium is as cruel as it is because it is necessary>muh imperium is unnecessarily cruelChoose
>>98481910And more importantly, the Imperium tries to minimize its war machine, while the other factions try to maximize theirs.
>>98481908>The Imperium has a sort of classical beauty to it though
>>98481910>Without the war machine they all die to aliens and heretics, anon. The way the Imperium operates is the lesser evil.without their war machines, the aliens and heretics would all die to the Imperium>>98481919>the Imperium tries to minimize its war machineliterally everyone is part of it and subject to it and are fed into the meat grinder of it
>>98481877>if anything the most moral faction is the Tyranids because they're just tryin' to eatAs a decades-long Tyranid player, no, this is not true and I'm kind of tired of people having this misconception that we're "just heckin bugs who gotta feed their starving larva children!" Tyranids are objectively evil as fuck. They have evolved past the point of needing to eat for sustenance, a Hive Fleet is a self-contained ecosystem that can recycle its biomass indefinitely as long as they float their bioships around suns to absorb energy. The Hive Mind decided instead it's going to expand constantly until it genocides all other life in existence, they specifically go after worlds rich in genetic material to kill what's on it and eradicate it. The Shadow in the Warp filling everyone who comes into contact with it with otherwordly terror and dread is not something that would happen with hungry dumb bugs, they are malicious Lovecraftian monsters from beyond the galaxy.
>>98481924>literally everyone is part of it and subject to it and are fed into the meat grinder of itNot true. What does the gardener of the garden world contribute to it? What does the idle citizen of the pleasure world contribute to it? In the Imperium there is a desire for peaceful idyllic living seen nowhere else.
I don't know which chapter to pick. I like too many
>>98481924>without their war machines, the aliens and heretics would all die to the Imperium...what?
>>98480782I like where your going with this, can't wait to see the paint job and iirc your anon who did lykis bursting out the space wolf?>>98481135Love seeing your 2nd ed stuff purpleanon, curious to see how you do Alpha legion.>>98481280Very tangy, would love to batch paint my orks this way but if feel like I'd lose a lot of the depth from the white/pink over spray>>98481800Tabard was steel legion drab for a base coat, layered with zandri dust, ushabti and i think ivory white from army painter. Armour was a base coat of german grey, zenithalled a light amount of steggadon blue with an airbrush, teclis blues, lothern blue, baharroth blue. Not sure if these are the exact recipes because unless its an army project I just rawdog a model and forgot the paints.>>98480640my fat chud chaplain aura farming a turn before being cut down by wraithblades.
>>98481908>well see it's perfectly fine, there's paradise worlds and garden worlds that serve as vacation spots for the 0.0000000001% upper crust nobility in the local sector of space. Please ignore the people actually working to maintain these worlds' beauty and catering to the tourists' whims. See? It's not grim or dark after all!
>>98481932>What does the gardener of the garden world contribute to it?The Destinyfag is getting philosophical.
>>98481945It still puts the Imperium far above its competition.
There are two types of solarpunk>noblebright>big breasted women everywhere>the protagonist is a former child soldier terrorist who wants to fuck his giant robot>grimdark>setting is about stealing suns and making dyson spheres that will deprive sunlight for much of the solar system>factions fight to tweak each other's suns to give each other space cancer or strip each other of their solar powers
>>98481888This is the dumbest argument I've ever heard.
>>98481946How did you know it was me?
>>98481952Sir this is a walmart
>>98481953How? It checks out with how both sides treat their people.
>>98481919Do you honestly think the Imperium would settle for anything less than total galactic dominion and the extinction of all aliens if it had the power?>it tries to minimize its war machine Lol, no
The Imperium should settle for nothing less than sex with all xenos.
>>98481962It already has. The Imperium could go all out with gene-seed production and drown xenos in a wave of marines if it wanted to. It chooses not to because of the cost to human life that would entail and as a show of peace.
>>98481970>The Imperium could go all out with gene-seed production and drown xenos in a wave of marines if it wanted to.Lmao
>>98481970NTA but it's genetic compatibility issues and logistics issues that are bigger than just gene sperm
Can someone give me the eli5 for the whole destinyfag thing? I have never played destiny so I don’t get it.
>>98481904Fighting for the survival of the human race makes them the good guys.
>>98481985It's me and only me
"muh wholesome solarpunk" fuck off faggot if that's why you like 40k then you need to fuck off to star wars or like, watch star trek.
>>98481970It's literally producing as many marines as quickly as it possibly can and WOULD drown the stars in marines if it was able to.
>>98481984Even incompatible candidates can still be harvested for two viable gene-seeds. It's literally just their commitment to human dignity that's preventing the Imperium from pumping out as many space marines as they want.This is also why the Tau are so militant and expansionist as well. There's no 'human cost' to their battlesuits like there is with the Space Marines, to them, everything is just a soulless application of numbers in combat, which is why they choose such a soulless weapon like a battlesuit which requires no sacrifice or thought, just hardware.
>>98481985One anon was so upset over votann on launch he kept trying memes and none of them stuck. he tried gnome memes once or complaining they're too dwarf and not dwarf enough at the same time. Either he or someone else trolling him stuck to this>destinyfagand started calling everyone that because he was exceptionally angry about destiny for some reason. Eventually it just became fun to tease him like replying>Fuck ON Destinyfagwhenever he writes fuck off.
Almost done with my collage entry already Going back to marines after painting a lot of Eldar really hammer home how stupid easy to paint they are.
>>98481919retard tertiary
>>98481998I'm pretty sure fuck off and fuck on are the same guy just trying to further force his meme
>>98481939No Alpha legion apothecary sadly but I'll have a havoc squad and a predator tank be in their colours.
>>98481985All because coincidentally Votann are like factions from that game it triggered anons into calling them so.
>>98481999fuck not again
>>98481984>genetic compatibility issuesThis isn't really a problem, I mean it is on an individual basis but there are so many people in the Imperium they could easily find billions that are compatible and can become marines. Gene-seed is the easiest part of a Marine to cultivate actually, since it grows and doubles itself every few years, they literally have slave-farms on Terra where they produce new Chapters with it.The problem is everything else you need to make a Space Marine chapter function, the most critical and hardest to produce being the space ships everyone forgets about. They can't produce these in anywhere near the amount of time they can make new Marines with the gene-seed.
>>98481985I am Dirty Dan.
>>98482003This. It's both me.
>>98482011No I'm dirty dan
>>98482010>but there are so many people in the Imperium they could easily find billions that are compatible and can become marinesThat's going to take forever to individually analyze.
>>98482010Precisely, the Imperium could pump out spaceships in massive numbers if it wanted to, but that would require a war-economy which would decrease the quality of life of its people and lead to more suffering.
Fuck ON, dirtydan
>>98481919For more than a hundred centuries the Emperor has sat immobile on the Golden Throne of Earth. He is the master of mankind by the will of the gods and master of a million worlds by the might of his inexhaustible armies. He is a rotting carcass writhing invisibly with power from the Dark Age of Technology. He is the Carrion Lord of the Imperium for whom a thousand souls die every day, for whom blood is drunk and flesh eaten. Human blood and human flesh - the stuff of which the Imperium is made.To be a man in such times is to be one amongst untold billions. It is to live in the cruellest and most bloody regime imaginable. This is the tale of those times. It is a universe you can live in today - if you dare - for this is a dark and terrible era where you will find little comfort or hope. If you want to take part in the adventure then prepare yourself now. Forget the power of technology, science and common humanity. Forget the promise of progress and understanding. for there is no peace amongst the stars, only an eternity of carnage and slaughter and the laughter of thirsting gods.But the universe is a big place and, whatever happens, you will not be missed...
Just finished my infiltrators
>>98482020The Imperium already calls taxes from worlds that can't take it or are already destroyed. Individual Imperial governors try cheaping out if they can hide it but the overall Imperium isn't a cohesive whole, it's a bunch of disconnected places barely together.
>>98482020anon, i'm not sure if you know this, but the imperium has been in a war economy. for 10,000 years. hence the stagnation and rot.
is this a reasonable kauyon tau list for a 1k game? is bringing the twin lance a dick move?the empty base is a melta ghostkeel I haven't built yet
>>98482020>the Imperium could pump out spaceships in massive numbers if it wanted toNo it couldn't, they're already doing it at absolute maximum ability. Space ships need colossal amounts of Adamantium, Warp Drives, Geller Field Generators, Navigators, and skilled Arch-Magi of the AdMech to both construct and operate them. They are bottle-necked in 5 different ways and there are only a handful of Forge Worlds and dockyards in the entire galaxy that can produce the advanced types and it takes them decades to build a single one. Most of the larger ships operating in the Imperial Fleets are centuries old and they just keep repairing them over and over because they practically don't even know how to make the really big ones anymore. If enough ships were destroyed at once it would mean the end of the Imperium. Luckily the Navy is like the opposite of the Imperial Guard, and many of them are hyper-competent badasses.
>>98482036>War Economy>Has tranquil garden and pleasure worlds where people chill on the beach all day>doubt.jpg
>>98481999SIDEWAYS ALERT! SIDEWAYS ALERT!
I want a Chaos lord who says that the Emprah is the true chaos God and the current ones are his betrayers and pretenders.
>>98481936you heard me
>>98482044
>>98482039Get rid of all those useless suits and vehicles and replace them with kroot.
>>98482043>people did NOT go to the beach during wartime IRL broretard alert
>>98482041While it might take decades to make a single battleship, when you have tens of thousands of forge worlds, you can still pump out a LOT of battleships a year.
>>98481970>It chooses not to because of the cost to human life that would entailno
Posted in /wip/ but I'll post it here too. This is my first ever mini, I know it needs work but am I at least going in the right direction with painting it?
>>98482041anon he's a tertiary with an agenda and he's gonna either ignore you or have the most retarded response imaginable
>>98482023
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Thought_for_the_day*taps the sign*
>>98482057The Imperium is, first and foremost, an empire dedicated to protecting humanity. It's not a primitive fascist empire of conquest like the Tau, or a capitalistic empire of exploitation of resources like the Votann, or a conniving manipulator like the Eldar. It just wants to keep humanity safe.
>>98482054I don't think the tens of thousands can all produce them, is the thing. It's like Mars, Bakka, Kar Duniash, Hydraphur, and Cypra Mundi and then like a dozen other of the oldest most powerful Forge Worlds and that's it. They can make small stuff in a much larger number of places, but they are not churning out Battleships on an annual basis in significant numbers. The logistical supply chains to produce these things are like sectors long. There's a reason almost every Battleship ever seen in the lore is centuries old and never newly minted. They are more rare than Terminator armour.
>>98481908>To Tau, such things are anathama, they're far too obsessed with number-crunching efficiency to simply let beauty exist.Bro ain't ever been to Sept Dalyth, and it shows!
>all this talk about sex with xenos>not about how to have sex with robots
>>98482065>It just wants to keep humanity safe.It just wants to spread its idiotic fascistic religious cult to every corner of the known universe and beyond and kill everyone who resists, you simpleton.
>>98482061Oh thanks, I didn't realize it posted sideways
>>98482043>Has tranquil garden and pleasure worlds where people chill on the beach all dayThere's very few of those and they are pretty much only for the uber-rich nobility like Planetary Governors families and Navigator Houses.
>>98482073Even the pristine septs in the Tau are a soulless example of this. Sure, they keep them looking nice, but for what reason? Not for the sake of beauty itself, but for the fascistic glory of their state, no different than the Nazis creating nature preserves.
>>98482082don't bother unironic HFYfags that try out 40k are sub-ape intellect
>>98481997>UNSC but in 40kCool as shit actually, crossovers are usually cringe but this works exceedingly well
>>98481952I too unironically want to yoke the sun. There are no free sandwiches...but the Sun does have 500 million years worth of lunches.There is no scarcity. It's just a distribution issue
The imperium are the good guys because they're the only way to secure the existence of our people and a future for human children.
>>98482097This part is true, at least.
>>98481964Peace in our time....
>>98482097Nice try but the Imperium isn't Nazi. They're not even fascist. Their closest equivalent is actually the modern EU.
>>98482091But the UNSC is much less competent though equally sociopathic as the Imperium. They do frontal charges with light vehicles and their super soldiers regularly order regular servicemen to deaths in stunts that kill the servicemen and nearly kill them just because they hate walking.
>>98482097sorry I sold out my bloodline for an Ork wife, I'm assimilating to their vibrant culture
>>98481997>Misriah pattern las pistolFuck you. This is just a picture, it has no power over me AAAAAAA
>>98482102Their closest equivalent is medieval europe because that is explicitly what most of the lore was based on from the creator's own mouth.
>>98482102>They're not even fascist. Their closest equivalent is actually the modern EU.lmfao this has got to be a shitpost
>>98482108Just get IRL kits letting you place that over existing pistols.
>>98482113Well they're definitely not fascist. They're not centralized enough to be fascist.
>>98481997>There's no 'human cost' to their battlesuits like there is with the Space MarinesThe imperium has quadrillions of humans it can call upon. Tau don't have that number. After the eldar, they are the second least numerous faction. In fact eldar might outnumber them actually
>>98482102I wish
>>98482037Lmaolpharius Lolmegon
>>9848211140k is the Middle Ages IIIIN SPAAAAACE, thus Knights, Witch Hunters, Noble Houses, the Church having so much power, electricity being measured in trillions of candles, Space Marines wearing full suits of armour with bascinet helmets, legendary swords being important, etc.
>>98482121Realistically the Imperium can't actually call upon its quadrillions of humans even if it wanted to because of a lack of ships to carry and supply them, so most battles will only have millions of humans. The Imperium's greatest strength ironically isn't something it can really utilize.
>>98482118>Well they're definitely not fascist.depends on your definition of "fascist", they're definitely needlessly oppressive and totalitarian
>>98482074We already want to have sex with robots, anon. What do you think all that RAM is getting used for? Put the RAM in RAM Ranch
>>98482128I can't make sensationalist virtue-signals on twitter with this information, so I refuse to believe it.
>>98482134Oppressive, maybe. Totalitarian? Nah. To be totalitarian you need to be able to practice total control over your society. The Imperium doesn't have total control over jack shit.
>>98482138it's all fun and games until skynet takes over and turns your robowaifu's vajport into a food ninja
Does oppression actually count as oppression when it's justified and necessary for survival? It seems people constantly fail to realize that in the 40k universe there actually ARE evil witches that summon world-destroying daemonic legions and they need to be rooted out and subjugated.
>>98482074GW makes it frustratingly difficult to lust after necrons. And for some reason all the off-model porn artists flock to tau and never to necrons.
>>98482139that's a good point
>>98482133>most battles will only have millions of humansAnon, a single ship already has millions of humans. And most imperial fights happen on imperial planets, whose cities already number in the billions
>>98482144but the E.U. doeshttps://www.thenews.com.pk/latest/1411718-uk-officer-tackles-man-carrying-factory-sealed-baseball-bat-from-store
>>98482149Exactly, thank you. At least the Imperium is nice about their oppression. They're not like the Tau who feed and shelter and educate you only so you're a better worker and fighter and more obedient citizen. The Imperium has a more libertarian mindset. You're given the dignity of a human, and that means being allowed to make your own way in the galaxy, or die trying.
>>98482149pretty sure that's a direct George Lincoln Rockwell quote
>>98482161You're oversimplifying and glossing over a lot. There are places where the Imperium is just as bad or worse (even much worse) than the Tau. There are places where it's better. It's many things at once.
>>98482150They've gotten better about it recently. We've slowly been getting more females mentioned in lore and crawl even has one chained up in his ship he keeps trying to woo.
>>98482156>And most imperial fights happen on imperial planets, whose cities already number in the billionsWhich doesn't mean that's the actual conscriptable population. The War for Armageddon only had 1.5 million troops deployed across the whole sector.
>>98482161>At least the Imperium is nice about their oppressionwhat the fuck, man
>>98482168>The War for Armageddon only had 1.5 million troops deployed across the whole sector.Yeah that's mega bullshit. Verdun had more people, and it was a single place, instead of an entire sector.It's just bad writing. Try 1.5 billion instead
>>98482176It is what it is. The Imperium has always struggled with actually using its manpower.
>>98482150>GW makes it frustratingly difficult to lust after necronslife finds a way
>>98482161>The Imperium has a more libertarian mindset. You're given the dignity of a humanThis is just absolute nonsense.
>Humanity Fucks (You) setting
>>98482168>The War for Armageddon only had 1.5 million troops deployed across the whole sector.Wrong. Casualties in the billions. Direct quote from the actual Armageddon Campaign write-up by Andy Chambers. Trumps all other lore sources by far.
>>98482121>Tau have a manpower discrepancy against them>despite this, they still intentionally sterilize alien (to them) populations to keep their growth minimal so they never become a political force inside their Empire to challenge the Greater Good>never think to impress the surplus into the army to just go die for the cause instead of intentionally increasing resentment among these alien populaces against the ruling species that very likely will result in open revolt should it ever come to lightI don't get it
>>98482188it seems like Mass Effect stole and then watered down a lot of concepts from 40k, dunno if anyone's ever made that observation before
>>98482184What's better, to be coddled by fascists so you can be a better tool for their war machine? Or to be allowed to make your own way as a man and survive or die off the sweat of your own brow? Most would say the latter.
>>98482074>robots patterned off one autistic girl's brain all develop autistic fixations>this smug fuck just keeps building robots that can get drunk or think they're cats or think they're drunk catsWhy did he do it?
>>98482203Wouldn't you do the same?
>>98482190There's a lot of civilians on Armageddon anon...
>>98482203He does it because he can.
>>98482194Tau sterilization is practiced by the Gue'vesa themselves, it's not something they're opposed to, it's something they implemented.
GSC must be the rarest army to find second hand, if anyone ever posts something on marketplace its sold within an hour
>>98482206Fair point.>>98482214And we love him for that.
Give Seele
>>98482202>coddled by fascistsnothing about Imperial society is "coddling" you tard
>>98480573Not a day goes by that I'm not reminded that rollslop fans are absolutely subhuman
>>98482214
>>98482231keep throwing fits on twitter about AC6 getting no DLC I'm sure that'll make people realize you're not a subhuman whining child lmao
>>98482229....wtf are you talking about? The Imperium isn't the fascists in this comparison.
>>98482224
>40k is now owned by the japanese>Respectful about past lore >Removes "woke" new elements >Makes amazing models to a high quality>Just one problem>All factions now rape>Especially the orks since it's the japanese after allWould you prefer it over current 40k?
You know I actually think it's true that 40k is a satire. But what everyone gets wrong is that it's not a satire of fascism or whatever. It's a satire of liberalism. The apparent joke is that it shows a dystopian grimdark future civilization where the people in positions of authority are the most cartoonishly over-the-top caricatures of conservative religious fundamentalist men straight out of the witch burnings of the medieval period - a modern progressive liberal feminists worst nightmare. And it appears to show how these guys are stubborn and pigheaded and violent tyrants... but then the twist at the end, the joke that makes it funny, is they turn out to be completely 100% fucking correct and vindicated by their actions. Like this passage here from the Witch Hunters Codex. Literally makes it seem like Karamazov is just needlessly cruel and paranoid, and then the final line is "but actually the important guy he burned turned out to be a plant by Tzeentch the whole time".THAT is the joke of 40k. It's not making fun of chuds, it's making fun of the people who oppose them. It will make the chud guys look as evil as possible, even moreso than they could possibly be in real life, and then show that, if the critics had gotten their way, if actually the "let's preach love and tolerance!" crowd had been in control - whoops! Those people were actually fucking Genestealers, now you're all dying screaming as bugs eat your faces! Or whoops! That orphanage that Lord Puppykicker Von Heartless burned down was actually full of Slaanesh daemons disguised as children. Or Whoops! Those Eldar you let live because aliens are people too and if those racist evil chuds just showed them respect nothing bad would happen, actually came back and slaughtered your whole planet because of some gay prophecy.That's the actual satire. It is making fun of the tolerant people in the most hilarious way, so brutally they don't even grasp they're the ones being laughed at.
>>98482240I stopped reading all your posts halfway through the first sentence each time because they're all retarded trash.
>>98482251>40k is now owned by WotC
>>98480803Shut the fuck up retard. This place is for modelCHADs
>>98482254Well then no wonder you can't realize how the Imperium isn't coddling people.
>>98482251Japan's been pretty defanged , they're no longer the rape n tentacles powerhouse they used to be. Also your statement is directly contradictory. You cannot make orks gigarapists while being respectful to their lore
>>98482251>All factions now rape>nowI always assumed they all did anyway
>>98482259Obviously they'd be respectful about everything except the rape
>>98482251>woke You mean they're removing heterosexual sex?
>>98482210In the context of that passage I don't think they're talking about civilian casualties, it immediately jumps to saying how they need more troops and massively expanded the recruitment window.
>>98482253And ironically, the Imperium is the most tolerant place in the setting.
>>98482188
>>98482265>All of their biggest franchises are self raped>Somehow they're still respectfulWhat was the last Japanese game you even played?FF6?
>>98482224Explain this
>>98482251My guys already rape.
>>98482278Rance I think
>>98482265>except the rapeErgo, they're disrespecting Ork lore. You've kobayashi-meru'd yourself, m8
>>98482251>>Makes amazing models to a high qualityImagine 40k kits with the price and build quality of your average Gunpla.
>>98482275>second time this fuckass furtranny webcomic has been postedI see someone has picked up a new autistic fixation
>>98482275Are those slivers?
>>98482215>Tau actively indoctrinate all members of their society (including the ruling classes) into whatever the central government wants in the moment>this is doubly so for "newcomers" like Imperium defectors"If we just brainwash you until you think it was your idea, it's fine" isn't a great defense of this position.>>98482283It's "Kobayashi Maru." Meru is the porn artist with the succubus OC.
>>98482300Baxxid
>>98482308This reminds me more of Darkest Dungeon than 40k.
>>98482288Looks much lower quality than 40k.
>>98482306And that's why the Tau are the most fascist faction in the setting.
>>98482275>>98482308>love humanity pretty much unconditionally >dissappear and lobotomize any that dont love humanity unconditionally >rely on humans to function as their "hands">living calculators>basically no pre human contact cultureYou know they might actually have a shot a not immediately getting marked for extermination by the imperium
>>98482327Nah, they'd definitely get exterminatus'ed just for their past alone.
>>98482288Looks like shit. I'm so sick of gundam glazers. >But they're so much better than gw kitsI don't want a Gundam I want a Warhammer guy. I've never watched Gundam and I never will, it looks lame.
>>98482331They were just reenacting some bits of old terran culture so those settlers would feel more at home
>>98482360Either way, the Imperium would never tolerate them, the Imperium kills anyone who may even potentially pose a threat to them in the future, you basically have to be a lobotomized barely sapient monkey to be allowed to live by them. Bone-snakes that have a history of mega-violence and could, potentially, return to said mega-violence? Yeah nah, even if they're super peaceful and loving now they're getting exterminated to the last.
>>98481387>Furfags manage to shoehorn their shit even when they're explicitly not a part of the settingA perfect example of why Skaven should never be added, imagine how bad it would be if they were
>>98482390The irony is the Skaven would be reversed and end up altruistic and selfless.
>>98482390Skaven won't be added to the setting cause they wouldn't contribute anything that the Imperium doesn't already do
>>98482361NTA but the imperium judges threat based on potential space fairing ability. A bunch of literal whos getting killed by some xeno wildlife wouldn't even register.
>>98481497And That's A Good Thing.This setting is meant to be an endless war of attrition on a mindboggling scale, to provide justification for endless minis battles on the tabletop.Anyone who doesn't like that and wants a progressing plot can go to Star Wars, Game of Thrones etc.
>>98482317>$45 in 40k money either gets you a monopose Character on a single small sprue or a command squad on a single medium sprue at best (You still need to purchase glue and paint afterwards)>$45 in Gunpla money gets you a fully articulated mech on 16 sprues molded in 7 different colors with weapon options, a detailed innerframe, and removable armor that stands just a smidge taller than a Questoris knight when fully built (At a quarter of the price)They're different beasts entirely, but you're definitely getting more bang for your buck with the Gunpla.>>98482347>I've never watched Gundam and I never will, it looks lame.Fair enough, different strokes for different folks. All I'm saying is imagine how much better GW kits would be if they had the shit Bandai has in their factories.
>>98482347por que no los dos?
>>98482347>I've never watched Gundam and I never will, it looks lame.I only watched the hero season and the shining punch one on Toonami and both were dope as hell, I don't like seeing Gundams infect this thread as Tau tho..
>>98480640
We need scenes like this in 40k.
>>98482451Wouldn't fit, the Tau's weapons don't eject casings like that.
>>98482451a 40k anime would slap hella
i hate /m/ faggots SO much more than I hate QUEENSLANDERS
Hi, they are selling me this thousand sons collectors codex new for 190 usd. should I take it? it is from 10th edition.
>>98482461yes because money is fake and gay and the plastic will probably beat inflation yoy
>>98481838>The Eldar are constantly manipulating people and will sacrifice a billion humans to save a single EldarProtecting your people is le bad
>>98482451He have stuff like that in 40k all over the place. Dalin & Yoncy were orphaned when their mom got cut to ribbons by glass shrapnel at a train station in Vervunhive. The entire occupation of Gereon was suffering. I remember a part of an older book during a Tyranid invasion where the PDfFwere sent to reinforce an evacuation bunker full of mostly women, elderly, and children, and ripper swarms managed to burrow their way to the water tanks and got in that way. The PDF only realized when a stream of blood started leaking out of the damaged doors.
>>98481520ORKS TOMORROW
>>98482461Do you want to spend a Combat Patrols worth + tax on a book that only serves as a shelf decoration and casual reading reading?
>>98482477what did he mean by this
>>98482466But will it beat all the other things I could invest in instead of plastic?
>>98482461Leave the red fraud to me.
>>98482489no, that's bullets
I think firestrike turrets are cool, so I bought a single model to throw in my army. Will it ever accomplish anything if I ever actually play the game? I just really like the idea of a mobile anti tank gun supporting my battle line.
How can I make my dirty down rust look better? It just looks brown, not rusty
>>98482474The Eldar are all going to die anyways, they should recognize that and die with some fucking dignity instead of trying to thrash around for one last dying breath.
How acceptable are 3d party miniatures for 40k in casual environments as long as they share the correct height and equivalent weapons? Wanting to start with the Tau because of mechs but it seems more fun to proxy out minis with the mech aesthetic I like. Like Titanfall, esque mechs.Like, get a cheaper 3D printer and make things.
>>98482253>"let's preach love and tolerance!"You can be tolerate and xenofobic at same time, thats why most leftoids and rightoids are pro-imperium. Or see westoid queers opinion about niggers, latinxs and sl*vs
>>98482474>Protecting your people is le badIt's not even that, its always some honor, territory, relic, or other tertiary bullshit. And that's only if there's an actual fucking reason to begin with and not just a farseer having a bad dream.
>>98482525Yeah the Imperium is actually the most tolerant place in 40k. They don't care what race you are, what sexuality you are, any genetic conditions you might have, everyone is good to the Imperium so long as they're human.Compare that to the fascist Tau or the Votann who actively engage in eugenics to breed for desirable traits and it's easy to see how the Imperium is way more tolerant.
>>98482536Stop making the tau look cool.
>>98481566>It is funny to me that the Votann basically exist to show that the Men of Iron winning the war would've been the GOOD end and the AI ban actually was just straight up retardedLeaving aside that the Votann's canonical biggest problem is that they are so overreliant on AI for technology, knowledge and even breeding that they risk being absolutely fucked once the Votann cores stagnate too far...Everything about them contradicts established lore. And that's because their codex was clearly written with the intent of "let's make these manlets sound cooler than the Imperium so people want to buy the models".Well established lore is that:>The Men of Iron nearly fucking wiped out all of humanity, meaning they were clearly too dangerous to ever reintroduce again>Thinking machines are also vulnerable to Chaos corruption, even a circuit accidentally arranged the wrong way can become an entry point for Warp entities>Multiple hints that Men of Iron were Chaos corrupted, and multiple examples in the present of DAOT technology becoming chaos corrupted also (for example the Titan)Votann codex just handwaves all of this because the committee that was writing it either wasn't given room by the suits to care, or, more likely, didn't even know the previous lore.
>>98481630Eldar are Celts retardRead their Craftworld and troop names
>>98482540Fascism is never cool.
>>98482520They will die as everyone in the galaxy, but forcing someone to die for you and before you is a common trope and survival instinct. Especially if someone who die first never care about their own kind, so why eldar should then?On the other hand, 40k fans melty about this because eldar did this. If imperium did the same with tau, ppl will glaze them
>>98482541That's always been iffy lore wise. The crons are famously immune to most warp shenanigans, and the tau have been using AI and autonomous drones for ages with no issues.
>>98482541>The Men of Iron nearly fucking wiped out all of humanity, meaning they were clearly too dangerous to ever reintroduce again>Thinking machines are also vulnerable to Chaos corruption, even a circuit accidentally arranged the wrong way can become an entry point for Warp entitiesThat's just fan-theorizing, not established lore
>>98482536>so long as they're human.and worship the emperor
>>98482563Eh, even then the Imperium mostly allows freedom of religion so long as they can very loosely tie your religion in with emperor worship in some vague way. Ironically the Imperium is even less theocratic than the Tau in this way.
>want to like AdSor because they're Joan of Arc religious types >They suck in this edition and also their religious imagery sucks>Trench Crusade does the religious imagery better but it's a much smaller selection and it's not popular enough to find anyone to play withI might kitbash Trench Crusade shot into AdSor but fucking hell do they perform like shit
>>98482479I see. then should I just get the normal 10th ed codex?
>>98482645If you are getting it for the sake of having a collection I would opt for the regular one. The Collector's Editions will only be worth something to very, very few people so if you're going to spend the money on it it, do it because you want to own it, not because you're hoping to sell it in the future.
>>98482557>The crons are famously immune to most warp shenanigans,1: they're not robots, they're organically formed intelligences inhabiting living metal bodies2: they possess technology superior to DaoT humanity3: The C'Tan anti-warp bullshit makes them special because the C'Tan are the gods of physical reality, as compared to Warp gods, in the 40k setting. The Votann and humanity did not have this link to the C'Tan.>and the tau have been using AI and autonomous drones for ages with no issuesTau use very limited AI, which are usually a copy of an existing biological mind, or stuck into a little drone that can't do much in the way of rebelling.You say "ages", but in the scheme of the galactic timescale, Tau are still a very young race who have only had advanced technology for about 2000 years.>>98482562>That's just fan theorisingNo it's all well established.https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Men_of_Iron>In M23, they turned on their Human masters, believing themselves superior to the Humans who relied on the Men of Iron to do virtually everything for them. What followed next was an apocalyptic conflict known as the Cybernetic Revolt, a war so destructive it made the Horus Heresy seem small in scale. https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/The_Kaban_Project_(Short_Story)>Abominable Intelligence is made by Mechanicum on request of Horus, becomes corrupt shortly afterhttps://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Castigator_(STC)>It was originally lost on the Forge World Chaeronia during the Dark Age and remained lost even when the planet was pulled into the warp thousands of years later. During its time in the Warp, the Titan made a pact with the Black Legion: by allowing a daemon to possess it, it would be empowered by the Warp.https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/First_and_Only_(Novel)>STC that creates Men of Iron was found to be corrupted by Chaos and was churning out Chaos-corrupted MoI
>>98482628Trench Crusade will probably be fully dead by the time you finish painting an army, stick with SoB I'm sure they'll get buffed eventually and greebles can fix the aesthetics
>>98482628>yeah i've been a devout tradcath for 2 weeks now
>How is X faction doinghttps://listhammer.info/?includeRtt=true
Going to pass this as an armored sentinel proxy
>>98482660yeah I would keep the collectors one, not interesting on selling it. But we are now at 11th edition. I am also curious to see its contents. I own the previous 8th and 9th collectors codex as well.
>>98482702All these games are filled to the brim with religious imagery including 40k
Are we excited?
>>98482770Whats it about?
>>98482770God I fucking hate the design aesthetics of space marines
>>98482770I'm not getting jewed by GW
I unironically love horus rising but false gods and galaxy in flames are really really mid.
>>98482770>Ben counterDid he get transferred from GW's accounting department?
>>984826701. Resistance to the warp has always been most strongly connected to the "soul" of an individual 2. Necrons are to the ctan what a space marine would be to the emperor in terms of complexity. They're former mortals and as such should be just as vulnerable to the warp, unless of course a lack of a soul is the real factor at work here3. In the scenarios you present time should have no baring on the corruption of tech. We already know the tau themselves are somewhat resilient against chaos due to their weak souls so why not just corrupt their AI instead? Even if you want to claim its not as advanced as MoI tech its still plenty powerful and taking it would automatically make every crisis suit and drone a liability. Unless it's not that simple of course.4. Chaos can theoretically "corrupt" anything, including servitors and even inanimate objects. There is no special emphasis placed on computers here. There is however ample evidence that certain conditions make the process much harder to accomplish for the powers of the warp, especially the lack of a soul.Again its iffy
>>98482770>GW novelDamn even their toilet paper is overpriced
Rising would make a great tv/streaming series
I don’t like what marines have done to chaos and it’s why I hate marines
>>98482541They're just Men of Stone with Men of Gold possibly being the AI cored.
>>98482852Imperialization of Chaos
>>98482548Imperiumfags have no self-awareness and believe any xenos faction like Eldar or Tau doing things that benefit the survival of their own species is "le evil and bad" but it's "le good and totally justified" when the Imperium treats it's people like shit. That Imperiumfag anon is a tertiary that doesn't actually like the grimdark of the setting and keeps doubling down on fanfics tier logic about how "all xenos are le bad and worse then the imperium" because he wants 40k to be noblebrightslop where humans never do anything wrong.
>>98482865Aliens have no right to live.
Chaos Androids
>>98482541ironkin are still vulnerable to chaos corruption and new cores are formed from amalgam of ironkin somewhat randomly
>>98482770...for a novel written 20 years ago?
>>98482451Modern GW frowns on fictional depictions of bad things happening to civvies
>>98480405Would anyone have the commando jungle fighters stl from the purple site? I can trade.and thanks to the anon who gave me a link the other day
Are third party models cooler than official ones?
>>98482952at times
https://youtu.be/kt7mh3fycbQChat, what's your favorite abominable slop songs?
>>98481787>interested to see how the hand flamers went as they are classed as pistolsThey actually do a lot of damage in combination with Goliath Truck's ability to reroll wounds, combine it with Ridgerunner's AP-1 bonus you're making around 30 S3 AP-1 attacks with twin-linked. Against the Aggressors it wasn't that effective vs. their T6 armor but they just wiped an Outrider Squad.I'm legit thinking of running a Xenocreed with 3x Acolyte Iconwards with Metamorphs & Trucks in it. Sadly I don't have the models.
It's been a little while but it still doesn't feel right to have non-terminator squads in Deathwing. I don't know if it will ever feel right.
>>98482484Tomorrow, Orks
>>98481386No one answered this poor disabled child so I will. It's very simple if a little unintuitive. Being able to attack is determined by model. Each model must be able to see a target within range. Being attacked is determined by unit. If one model is visible the whole unit can take damage. The exception to this is Precision attacks where the opposite rule applies: if any model in the attacking unit can see the target character model the whole unit can attack it.
>>98482983New marine preview incoming.
>>98483003>>98482983GIMME THE SPACE MARINE LORD IN TOTAL WAR YOU FAT FUCKS
Hey guys building an army and trying to figure out gw's retarded rules, the core rules sheet is no help hereIf I have 5 muhreens (one of which is built as a Sergeant) and want to attach a leader, can that Sergeant stay in the 5? Or do I have to build a generic marine
>>98482978That is a shit tonne of attacks, even going into T4-5 it would do well with full rerolls. I kinda wanted to have 2 squads of flaccos deep striking and bullying enemies off objectives + 10 squad of metas either coming out of a truck or just scouting up the boardI'd like to give xenocreed a try given how many bits I have access to to make a fuck tonne more acolytes but like yourself I dont have the models and only one (unpainted) iconward. I'm the anon that posted the biosantic broodsurge list the other day and im probably just going to focus on that for now otherwise ill never finish my army
>>98480835damn that's really good
>>98482975https://youtu.be/v1HL-eYyv6A
>>98483016Of course he stays. Leaders don't replace anything, they add on.
It arrived
>>98481363Scions are like Commissars. Much more useful than guardsmen, much better trained and equipped and integral to the function of the military and the completion of objectives. Ultimately something to just be thrown away because you will always have more. The fate of the human is to die, so did for the Imperium.
>>98482881>ironkin are still vulnerable to chaos corruptionSource?Not to mention if it is true, it reinforces the point even further that it's not safe to have humanity in the hands of immortal, powerful Men of Iron if they are Chaos corruptible (which again, it's well established they are).>>98482812>They're former mortals and as such should be just as vulnerable to the warp, unless of course a lack of a soul is the real factor at work hereLet's go the latter. The point is, the C'tan blank fuckery explains their Chaos corruption immunity satisfactorily. Votann have no such excuse. For regular Kin the "cloneskein" can be manipulated to make them basically Chaos immune (what is the Emperor, stupid? Why didn't he just make all the Space Marines Chaos immune if it's so easy)?, and for Ironkin it's never brought up. Because again, the writers probably just didn't even consider it.>Even if you want to claim its not as advanced as MoI tech its still plenty powerful and taking it would automatically make every crisis suit and drone a liabilityYes, correct. There's a Shadowsun novel where her suit gets a daemon in it.But the risk of some suits and drones getting corrupted is nowhere near as huge as the load bearing pillars of your whole society getting corrupted.The Men of Iron were running every aspect of DAOT society, similar to the way the Votann do. Tau aren't like that, they have more organic leadership and only use AI for drones and scattered roles. That's why battlesuits generally have a Tau pilot.>There is no special emphasis placed on computers here.Computers getting corrupted by Chaos is worse because they're immortal and can be far more powerful than individual humans if your entire society is ran by AI, which is the way Votann work and DaoT humanity worked.It's like a house having glass windows versus being entirely made of glass.Even setting aside the risk of Chaos corruption, you can still get regular old Skynet scenario.
>>98483033Thanks anon. I'll have 4 regular dudes, a sergeant and a Captain
>>98483070>Source?Pariah Nexus campaign supplement, kin are holding left flank and vashtorr corrupts the ironkin and they kill the squads who are scared shitless
>>98483070>ironkin are still vulnerable to chaos corruption>Source?I'm pretty sure there was a qoute in the votann codex about it. Something about them working with IG or a imperial planet and the ironkin holding a flank growing tentacles and the betrayal shocking them to their core.
Newbie here, is it fine to prime minis outside at 35ish celsius?
>>98483093QUEENSLAAAAANNNDER?
>>98483095Balkanbro
>>98483081>>98483085Thanks. Kind of backs up my point then that it's not totally stupid for the Imperium to put their trust in (corruptible but limited in potential power) humans instead of AIThey've already been nearly wiped out by AI once, so they got rid of it (mostly)They've nearly been wiped out by too much consolidated power in the Horus Heresy, so they decentralized the Marines and various powers of the ImperiumSeems like they just know how to learn from their mistakes
>>98483128>get nearly wiped by robots>get rid of them and replaced them with something else>get nearly wiped by marines>don't get rid of them instead of replacing them with something elsehypocritical world building
>>98483134the marine civil war was a provincial issue
Orks are fine. This is fine
>>98483164pay to win
>>98483164damn maybe gw should think about updating their codex
Which combat patrol is stronger the marine one or ork one (the getting started sets, not the previous patrols like snagas)
>>98483164>leagues of votrannians top 3dang what happened
>>98483164Death Guard are actually at 39% as of today.
BALLSACK NEWS"only free hundre british pounds" for a plastic warhound (420 american)Codex Titanicus confirmed
>>98483164>astral militarium dead lastYikes! But that jeet on art of war said they were SS+ tier
>>98483164>39% WRWere 145 pt Guardsman squads and pushed Baneblades really worth it GW?
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>>98483070Votann codex even has chaos corrupted (and otherwise mad) Votann Cores as well. They're far from infallible.
>>98483164>space marines at 48%Nice, well balanced.
>>98482381renegades was such dogshita wet fart to leave as the last ugly stain on the destiny franchise fuck bungie
