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>>98483205can you cunts not with these bloated OPs we don't fucking need 3 thread questions... FUCK
What do modern codices look like, anyway?Still got nice art and army displays?I haven't opened one since Codex: Orks back in 3rd.
>>98483213I originally just did the first TQ for the upcoming ork announcement, but I was worried people might not like having one that only related to orks :(
Let Chaos Idols take this thread!
>>98483223Ramarama bolshevik post
I am considering getting some of the Red Corsair dudes to make a little kill team of some of the Blood Ravens traitors from DoW2. Considering some Nurgle elements as well since Ulkair was who they were initially serving. Any advice?
This is the most blatant and greedy P2W i've seen GW do...
Newbie here, is it fine to prime minis outside at 35ish celsius?Or will heat mess it up?
Needing a book to know your stats or use the app is silly
>>98483244You'll be fine, just be sure to not spray in direct sunlight as that'll dry some of the paint before it hits the model.When you think you've shaking your spray enough, shake for another minute Also use quick passing/flicking motions when spraying your minis so you don't accidentally over spray and clog up detail.
>>98483244supposedly its the humidity that messes it up rather than temperature, but I’ve primed at that temperature and at 78% humidity and been fine. definitely do one model first to see how it turned out though.
>>98483249>>98483254Thank you.How many passes from each side do you guys usually do and if a mistake happens is it reversible?Priming Orks with Citadel Black btw
>>98483223Normalize waifu posting
>>98483247Then use any of the free list builders.
>>98483257Can't say for passes, I just general blue tack my model on the edge of a box or stick so I've got good access to different angels.General I do multiple passes at different angles, wait about 20secs for, and the check in the sun to see if I missed anything.Definitely do what that anon said and do a test mini, because if worse comes to worrst you only need to put one mini in metho to strip it.
>>98483257as many as it takes to look coveredlet it dry and if it's bad throw it in stripper
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZKiI2DWp-MCOUNT BINFACE
>>98483267I have a pair of 3D printed ones I'll try out first to see how it applies
>>98483221LE ECKS DEE XD XD XD
>>98483280That'll work, also just empty sprue too.
>>98483258I like the colour scheme and weathering, but the backwards access ramp is fucking with me.
I like orks :D
SKULLS for the Skull God!
>>98483306XDDDDDDD
Why don't we have don quixote Marines?
Reposting stats for the curious and the furious
How many waifu units are there? One that I can give every enhancement possible
>>98483347As many as you are willing to 3d print
BIGBOUNCYBANSHEEBUTTS
Is it true the Damocles Crusade was just a light scouting party that ran into the Tau?
>>98483360no
>>98483360no bohemond, go back to twitter
>>98483360No.
>>98483346ORKS ORKS ORKS
>>98483360No, retard. Go back.
>>98483371Every time my algorithm starts getting good nipponhammer posts it'll that retard pops up having a cry about tau or something xenos, did a xenos play fuck his boyfriend or something?
Got a Temu Saturnine for $9Its pretty solid
>>98483350>>98483306>>98483223
>>98483335you can literally make those yourself
>>98483360Yes it's 1000$ true. The tau managed to hold off an entire Imperium crusade and kill a founding chapter's chapter master with nothing more than a light scouting party
>>98483368>>98483371>>98483373>>98483376Only featured like 19 Guard Regiments and 500 space marines and they nearly wiped out the Tau, they weren’t exactly pulling from their manpower reserves with that mission.
>>98483410You asked a question, you got your answers, if the point of the question was to whine and moan about your headcanon then go draw a furry on your forehead with a shotgun's blast.
>>984834109 marine chapters with several sending their full strengthseveral fleets of battleshipsthey lost most of their forces deployed on the crusadekeep trying bohemond
Posting some pictures of a game I had last week. Been too long to battle report but I'll try to remember a few cool moments.1k, Orks vs votann, bully Boyz vs mercenary oathband. I figured the best Orks to fight the scrawny stunties would be the biggest and baddest Orks.
>>98483410a single chapter that joined the crusade lost 900 marines including their entire command structure
>>98483420Those Orks look like they died a minute after the pirc was taken
>>98483420Those ironkyn managed to take out 14 Boyz in a single overwatch activation. Wasn't enough to stop them and some meganobz charging into them, though.
>>98483426Classic Boyz distraction
>>98483420>>98483426Damn that's a nice Votann scheme.
>>98483425Kek, you called it.>>98483426We had a huge melee with every Ork unit in combat on turn 2. Took out some key squat units.
>>98483419>>98483423Incorrect, while a dozen or so Space Marine chapters did participate with a small fraction of their forces, combined they only amounted to 5 companies. You can look it up on the Lexicanum.
>>98483432Oh yeah I really like his squats. He's colorblind too which makes it all the more impressive.>>98483433Here's how that ironkyn fight turned out towards the end. The Warboss getting his 9 attacks for 2 whole battle rounds while the meganobz provided support made for some dead ironkyn, to which some hearthguard had to tellyport in and save the day.
Who is the Lord Invocatus of the Thousand Sons?
>>98483444Never post again retard
>>98483446We had a lol together because it looked like this hernkyn was forming a huge grudge in his pants while looking at this caked up git.
When the FUCK are we getting traitor guard?? I just want daemon engines with my guard dudes, bros...
>>98483456Highlight of the game was my other Warboss and his einhyr champion getting locked into a battle for 2 battle rounds, getting each other down to 1hp, before the squat finally was able to take out the massive Ork.
>>98483410It still wasn't a fucking "light scouting party" retard.Stop being a retard and leave.
SURPRISE! It's the World Eaters cultists you always wanted!https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/8zqejqld/new-house-goliath-miniatures-and-rules-for-necromunda/
>>98483467deldar refresh first
>>98483446For a colorblind guy, he's definitely got a better grasp on color theory than most.>>98483468Oh damn, he actually took the axe on the E Champ? I've never seen someone do that. Usually the hammer being a lascannon on a stick is too tempting to ignore.
disgustin
>>98483410>Only half a chapter
>tfw STILL havent played a game of 11th yet
>>98483455>After Damocles Crusade’s conclusionYou can’t read apparently
>>98483483based croc
>>98483468Here's the game results.Overall the Orks had a really strong start, but the stunties held firm and once their deep strikers came in they were cleaning up scraps of what was left of the Orks. The squats were able to flip a massive Ork lead in their favor by the end and score the victory.Very fun game against one of my favorite opponents and friends.
>>98483485A big battle like Armageddon will feature 50,000 Space Marines, so yes, 500 is basically nothing. You would need to have 100 Damocles Crusades combined to match the forces assembled at Armageddon.
>>98483444stop sucking tranny cock bohemond
>>98483474Nah. Goliath are too cool for World Eaters
>>98483496>this is your brain on yt shorts lore
>>98483481yeah he used the e-champ as an infantry or elite killer instead of a vehicle killer. His list has hammer beserks and soon to be added thunderkyn for vehicles, so he figured he needed more of a scalpel unit instead.I tried to sell him the hammer for a factor of cool over anything else, but he's an axe guy.
>>98483491That's a second engagement they haf with the tau, retard.
>>98483500>world of warcraft slop>cool>cooler than the best chaos legion at thatLOL
>>98483467GW would be better off making an all encompassing LotD 2.0 codex that contains all the disparate nonmarine chaos armies like traitor guard, darkmech, mutants and the like. a simple "guard but with daemon engines" codex isn't interesting on its own, just like GSC formerly being "guard but with genestealers".
>>98483467>>98483518traitor guard belongs to the normal chaos marines codex with one detachment that gives you access to some imperial guard units like gscthat's it, they don't deserve anything else
>>98481627>I mean the terrain and model painting techniques from historical wargamers absolutely put Warhammer stuff to shame so their games are probably better written too.What terrain and painting techniques? Will they get shit painted faster but looking better? You need to tell me more.
>>98483518>>98483528true, how will we have the budget for another 10 ultramarine named characters if we waste it on traitor guard??
>>98483496>A big battle like Armageddon will feature 7 LEGIONS worth of space marines.
>>98483535>uppity guardfag impotently seething about invented scenarios x1000000
>>98483486Anon I haven't played a single game of any edition
>>98483533Historical wargamers largely paint like shit, which is no surprise since historical minis are usually not so interesting as art projects.
>>98483474maybe armageddon really did flop the way they've rushed into necromunda
>>98483542dios mio... el leon negro de ultramar...
>>98483486I still haven't won a game of 11th.
>>98483550>uppity guardfag seething x1000001
>>98483535>another 10 ultramarine named charactersor stuff that people actually want
>>98483550He looks like a gay trucker.
>>98483558>stuff that people actually wantlollmao
We won't have time for traitor guard because James will be too busy with the new imperial agents and daemon releases! Right guys!?!
>>98483319Nice Grimdarkian.
>>98483558what would you want more than traitor guard
Do you like neoclassical fanart?
wonder how many Blood Pacters know that a shitton of their fanart was done by a russian nazi
>>98483576>make the most grimdark marine>it's an eldar
>>98483550*cough cough* gw... please... give the csms new epic heroes... the last drop was for crayon eaters 3 years ago..... thousand sons and EC only have 3 each and the demon detachment and primarchs suck... AAAACCCCKKKKKKK
>>98483578for the three existing actually important chaos microfactions to get support equal to DGfor admech to get more unitsfor eldar to get plastic ports for their FW unitsfor GSC to get something other than another HQfor necrons to get a flayer lord and their FW units in plastic
>>98483598emperor's children should be squatted, flop army
>>98483590I like getting my balls sniffed on by obese women who like to play with both of my holes. So chances are I probably do like any form of classical art.
>>98483603come on at least try to come up with something lol
>>98483578pretty much anything, from knight serfs to niche xenos shit, or orkish/necron spin offs; hell, even space skaven or goodie-two-shoes human rebels would be more exciting than fucking guardsmen with spikes.
>>98483611wtf I don't remember making this post...
all factions except marines and chaos marines should be squatted
>>98483615>given an answer that rounds out every faction>starts seething in response because the uppity guardfag can't bogieman soipoint to [insert X faction] like xhe always doesLOL
>>98483549I hope soFinding a box for $200 is the dream
>>98483598>3 yearsdeldar are the skeleton in that one swimming pool meme
>>98483591I dont think they care
I just like blood pact because I have marine fatigue
>>98483624>I would rather have nothingburger units nobody cares about (half of which I can't even name) than a new army>btw you are a seething guardfagyou have dogshit taste
>>98483632>pedo artist
>>98483649Traitor guards isn't a new army.
>>98483650
I want an Eldar Knights armyimperiumfags shouldn't be the only ones with a giant robot army
Did 11e replace the 3 unit/6 battleline cap ? I saw on wahapedia the point values are all listed with the "your first 2 units cost X, your 3+ unit cost Y". Can I build a salamander vulkan + 9x10 infernal squads and just 10d6 everything?
>>98483669No the limit is still in place
>>98483668can't you already field a trio of them plus some war walkers?the bright stallion would be cool, but knights were an army even before they got their extra big dudes
Dark Eldar refresh is coming. I can feel it.
>>98483668I would rather have that option for tyranids, none of their big beasts reaches the size category of knights, they would need just one plastic biotitan with a few options and they would be great.
>>98483675They are retardedly overpriced and it's just one model when there are many more in the lore. It's not at all an army.
>>98483690>it's just one modelyou don't need that many for a knights army, 3 of those knights plus a 4 or 6 war walkers is alright, especially with their optional weapons
>>98483550This guy brings the total named UM character datasheets to 9 which is the same amount of datasheets WE has for it's entire range.
>>98483716It would not be hard to just make more knights especially since we just got exodites.
>>98483728the new exodite fluff has no mention of knight titans, so tough luck on that front
>>98483649awww the guardfag's really upset nobody wants guard but spiky :(you'll always be a daydreaming failure, even in 15 years when they release a codex for traitor guard you won't buy them
>>98483689The norn emissary/assimilator was such a fucking scam dude. They did the most deceptive photography imaginable to make it look knight sized when it's not even close to that big.
Your army? Should be squatted. You are lucky to get whatever scraps James so graciously allows you. Be grateful, piggy.My army? Needs a refresh, NOW. James is being lazy and incompetent. I'm tired of this bullshit, it's unfair.
>>98483747Yeah I don't see the point of it if it's just going to be a slightly larger tyrant/swarmlord. Give us the nidzilla or don't bother
>>98483746you have autism
>>98483747I'm still mad, but also I want a big nid titan to not be bipedal
>>98483758>n-no ulmaobuy and paint your first models instead of crying about not getting spiky guard for all time
>>984833465 to 8 factions below the 45% winrate margin is pretty bad. Some of the adjustments they just made feel a little odd.
surely the ork codex is going on sale soon
>>98483578We don't need traitor guard.Just play regular guard and apply spikes to your models. That's all the fucking army is.
>>98483762>STOP!!! WANTING!!! SOMETHING!!!! I!!!! DONT!!!!! WANT!!!!!If you ask nicely and don’t sniff the glue too much I’m sure your tard wrangler will let you build a few models
>>98483771Nah, they deserve to be a full factionThere's supposed to be way more Chaos mortals out there than marines and daemons
>>98483777>HOW DARE YOU NOT WANT WHAT I WANT!!!
>>98483777this little meltdown is beyond embarrassingI hope you can grow and reflect on why an adult shouldn't be throwing tantrums because he doesn't have a new flavor of spiky army men
>>98483767>the newest datasheets win the mostGrim. Dark, even.
>>98483781>>98483782
>>98483790you never made an argumentyou made a request for what should take precedence and started throwing a fit when I provided you with answerssorry your tantrum didn't get the response you wanted :(
>>98483778>There's supposed to be way moreThe game doesn't need to support fucking everything.Just buy regular guard and add spikes or buy 3rd party.
I would buy a lost and the damned codex/armywith chaos xenos
>>98483793>um traitor guard can’t happen because 3 forgeworld units need to be made in plasticUh oh stinky
>>98483807>mischaracterizing answers because he realizes he has nothing to stand onevery time with guardtrannies
>>98483799No, you wouldn't, you haven't bought the traitor guardsmen or the corsairs command squad
>>98483768someone on staff wants to keep dominating their local meta for a few more weeks
>>98483795Well it's going to support everything, there will never be a point where GW just decides 'OK guys we are NEVER releasing a new army EVER AGAIN', there will be more and a L&tD revival is a very easy and obvious choice
Guardfag melty?
>>98483767Imo most Space Marine subfactions should be counted as their strongest subfaction for balancing/win rate arguments since you can just claim your nondescript dudes in blue and orange are Blood Angels one day, and Raven Guard the next.That still leaves guard, eldar, dark eldar, daemons, and GK all getting uber shafted though. Also lol 27% WR.
>>98483810are these “guardtrannies” in the room with us now?
So no new reveal today for us? Just Necromunda?
I like iron warriors, i'm satisfied with the current amount of support they have even if i wouldn't mind an extra daemon engine or two, could be something back from legends as well
>>98483820yeah I'm talking with one right now, he's stomping his feet screaming that he NEEDS spiky guard
>>98483807traitor guard is also just 3 forge world units you're asking plastic versions for
>>98483767>>98483819>Drukhari 27% WinrateWhat actually happened here? Just a bad weekend?
>>98483825You could easily make a full range of traitor guard minis.
>>98483823you vill get peter turbo + 1 unit and a codex then nothing for 5 years, and you vill like it
>>98483820you should believe in yourself more
>>98483831oh nyo, can i stay in csm codex :3 ?
>>98483823>Satisfied>When THE Iron Warrior hasn't even been releasedNGMI
>X shouldn't be an armynigga we have genestealer cults and votann let's not pretend like anything "can't" be an army anymore.
bros....why are we getting mogged by necromunda of all things?
>>98483839we aren't, those goliath models looked like shit and the new rules ruined the game lmao
GSC bros we are due for a release
>>98483836i preferred the fan version with crab legs, would be funnier and on flavor if he was an upgrade sprue for a defiler as csm 11th release but alas we'll get this imbalanced armiger-sized techmarine instead
white scars should get a codex when gw releases the khanI'm tired of getting mogged by a subfaction of a subfaction
>>98483845They'll get something this edition for sure. I think everyone would be over the moon if it could actually be a new unit and not just a character for once.Monkey's paw would be getting a named character
>>98483843
>>98483827Dunno, maybe Skari took a week off lol.
>>98483853I really do think WS are the saddest "major" marine faction. Even more so than IH because at least they don't have a niche that's also added as a tertiary flavor to another space marine faction.
>>98483851Can we get him fully articulated like a nice Master Grade or detailed like a Perfect Grade Gundam? Maybe also glue-free assembly?
I already got my glup shitto army
Psychic getting some new mechanics this edition.
>>98483217They have okay art and a shitload of very good photography.
>>98483872Eldar a menagerie of Glup Shitto armies. It's actually kind of impressive how many redundant variations they have of basic units. Enough to make a Guard player blush.
>>98483871perfect grades are way too bigmaster grade is already knight sizedif he was taller than Tyrant you probably could proxy him with sazabi or psycho-zaku on a base
>>98483873>new mechanics >look inside>mastery levels
>>98483839I'm sure these words mean something to secondaries.
>>98483879>It's actually kind of impressive how many redundant variations they have of basic units.literally 0
>>98483859Yeah let's pretend like the entire necromunda community hasn't been complaining about the new rules since they came out lmao
>>98483873Looks like a dumbed down version of cabal points from early 10e. I assume you'll get more psyker points the more psykers there are and then you'll get to cast at the start of shooting.Hopefully doombolt is a level 1 spell so I can get my ahriman doombolt machine gun back.
>>98483879>Corsairs, 2 flavors of guardians, Dire avengers, wind riders, clowns are all basic dudesYeah it's a lot for one book. Almost like it should be two books.Of course then you look at tanks and it's like>Fire Prism, Night Spinner, that one clowncar that doesn't really countThere's definitely some gaps where the model line is missing a lot. I'd like to see a new tank on the wave serpent/fire prism chassis since eldar don't really have a good MBT like the russ, dorn, or repulsor.
>elite warriors who dedicate every moment of every day for hundreds of years to becoming perfect killing machines>extreme training process culls the weak and ensures only the strongest survive>initiation ritual requires defeating an already initiated incubus and taking their armor, then killing an exarch>so skilled that even other eldar believe their abilities must be supernatural>3+ wsa fucking ork boy has 3+ wsthis is bullshit
>>98483920>initiation ritual requires defeating an already initiated incubuswhere did the first incubi come from
>>98483914Eldar is weird. It looks like they're missing stuff, but they still have tons of units they also have distinct archetypes they have several variations on. They're old enough to be before GW started deciding certain ranges shouldn't have access to certain unit types, but they've never really expanded in those areas and kind of have pushed Eldar into being this more technical Army that doesn't have a lot of the bulky lineman or big tanks outside of their really old ones.
>>98483854Doubt it, how would that fit into the lore?
>>98483926The first incubi were craftworlders because it was originally the striking scorpion Shrine.>>98483920If you kill one conscript, guardsmen go to ws 3+ and 2+ with fix bayonets.Guardsmen can unironically fight as well as custodes. As least the ork boys are genetically engineered by magic space lizards to be good at fucking shit up with 0 training.Incubi should 100% be ws 2+ especially since we have every aspect getting ws/bs 2+ in other editions and exarchs being ws 2+ /bs2+ in even more editions.
>>98483932Travelling faith revival movement
>>98483903Reread it
>>98483938>>98483920Didn't Incubi used to be WS2+ in 9th?
>>98483873I am honestly more concerned about every Warboss having the +1CP ability that is currently reserved for big shots.Honestly looking at the Ork codex leaks is like watching a 9th edition codex. The amount is stuff is unreal. There are huge chances that the edition power creep will be completely out of control if this is the first codex.
Here, for anyone curious THIS is what an ideal Tau list should look like.Cadre Fireblade (50pts): WarlordKroot Flesh Shaper (45pts)10x Strike Team (70pts)10x Strike Team (70pts)10x Strike Team (70pts)10x Strike Team (70pts)10x Kroot Carnivores (65pts)10x Kroot Carnivores (65pts)10x Pathfinder Team (85pts)10x Pathfinder Team (85pts)5x Vespid Stingwings (70pts)5x Vespid Stingwings (70pts)4x Tactical Drones [Legends] (70pts)4x Tactical Drones [Legends] (70pts)
WS/BS is just an abstraction, you really should relax.
>>98483949We are definitely in the 9th edition codex creep situation. It's going to get brutal for factions without codexes trying to struggle against factions with codexes in the first year. Will be really funny if we have another rerun of Admech and Drukhari summer again, considering both of them are rumored to be early codexes.
*sharts*
>>98483949Hopefully comes with big points increases and fewer models clogging up the table. lol./
>>98483961Typhus... lay off the corn agriworlds...
>>98483962I would unironically appreciate Eldar getting more elite and costing more points per model.The GW strat of buffing xenos by making g them cheaper and Imperium by making them deadlier is so bad.
WHERE'S ARE THE ORKS, JAMES!?
>>98483949did the leaks get posted in last thread? or where are the landing? I havent seen many
>>98483971codex in orktober
>>98483973See the post he's responding to>>98483873
OY! NOW DATS A BURNA!
>>98483971Roight 'erehttps://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/ovhxxpnh/revealed-new-ork-nobz-and-warbikes-are-coming/
>>98483977>>98483979vgh, sovl
>>98483346I hear the genestealer cult winner of that iowa moose whatever event cheated.
>>98483979>I iz da leks
>>98483979Rokkits?! on my bikes? awesome. maybe they can punch up a lil bit
I'm already getting ork fatique
>>98483983Yeah, multiple problems with the list he ran that didn't get caught until after he won the event. Like extra wargear he shouldn't have had.
>>98483990It's immersive, feeling like Armageddon and Orks are endlessly dragging on
>>98483949>>98483959I'm completely convinced that horde armies are going to be raped into the dirt with the amount of cleave blast running around in the new stuff they've shown off
>>98483979Got a new candidate for the 200% Radical club
>>98484010oi git who let ya have double twin kustom shoota?
>>98483991What was wrong with it
>>98484024Same git who let dat git have double klawz
These nobz aren't on 40 mm bases are they?
>>98484029>>98484010>>98483985>>98483979>>98483977Genuinely awful. Do people really think this looks good?
>>98483983>>98484005>>98484027
>>98483977>>98483985>>98484010>>98484029It's going to be one of those kill team/chaos terminator esque one of each weapon per 5/10 model things I can feel it in my bones
>>98484024>>98484029>Oy, gimme dat shoota! Iz wantin ta shoot em!>Oy, gimme dat klaw! Iz wantin ta krump em!
>>98484039Yes we do, fun-hating faggot
>>98484035The Gretch will still be 25mm, so it looks like they're still 40mm
>>98484046>wefuck off newfag
>>98484039Yes, these kick fucking ass.Very importantly, they have interesting stuff going on without being over-greebled messes like a lot of the models released since the Dark Imperium box.
>>98484039>>98484053trying WAY too hard
>>98484044or just read the article
>>98483540A legion is 100,000 marine,50,000 would only be 50 chapters worth
>>98483815>uhm wellI don't care, it still shouldn't support everything because it is pointless but also GW realistically cannot support everything, traitor guard is one of those that does not need support at all.
>>98484042The first two sound like more of the stupid bullshit wargear autism that GW has forced on everyone 9th onwards but the last sounds like it is a legitimate problem although I might be wrong having never touched GSC
>>98483979tfw retarded git born last week has a better concept of ground clearance than the elite soldiers and engineers of the Imperium
>>98484046>weWho's "we"? You speaking french?
I think I just don't like the visual style of Orkz. I'll go back to collecting cool armies like Ultramarines.
>>98484060uh oh looks like the newfag might be a bit upset
>>98484042Wew i didn't realise support characters had to be attached to units
>>98484053You literally posted with the presumption that multiple people approved of these designs
>>98484080He's just shitposting, ignore him and he'll throw his fit and wear himself out like always
actually?old bad new good
>>98484064Where does 'need' enter the equation, they didn't need to make Custodes or Knights or Mechanicus, we'd all be just fine and dandy if they hadn't
>>98484067I can see how this issue arises because upgrades are all free and even space marines get everyone to rock the same gun now. The difference between everyone and 9/10 with flamers could be a mistake.Not sure how buying the character is done, is it an independent entry or an upgrade to a unit?Looks like they cheated a straightforward weapon swap and used both. Definitely an issue.
>>98484044>This kit builds five characterful Nobz with kustom krumpas – a melee weapon profile that covers all kinds of powered blades, klaws, and bludgeonsIt's Accursed Weapons again, which personally I'll always prefer over wank like this
>>98484092You still don't need traitor guard.If you really wanted them you would already have them by 3rd party or kitbashing/converting your own.
>>98484092Bananas and Knights were a mistake. At least Eldar had them as part of the army but it was a bad call to scale the main game to knights even if we only had admech and eldar knight support.
>>98484061>>98484105To clarify I'm thinking more about the special weapons because I dream of the time when you could blow your points on giving all of your nobs combi skorchas and power klaws
>black washuse to add shadows and depth>brown washa warmer version of shading for a dirty and weathered looks>red washhighlights gold and brass metallics>blue washfor shading ork skin and cold grey metallics>green washno use case has ever been found for this.
>>98484109OK don't know why you're still using that word thoughGW will keep releasing new/'new' armies in the future, and chaos mortals are almost certain to be one of them
>>98484121Purple wash is secretly amazing at everything and I'm surprised more people don't use it.
>>98483961Quite pungent lord Typhus! I see why you are Nurgle's chosen
>>98484133same with purple primer
>>98484119Anon you gave your Nobz power claws so they didn't get infinitely tarpitted by a dreadnaught (or worse, a sentinel) or lose to one guy in artificer armor.
>>98484121>green washmossy stone and wood
>Nobz revealed>All melee weapons condensed into one profile Lmao
>>98484142I don't really see what that has to do with what I said beyond the superficial part about there being power klaws involved
>>98483979>Both of these kits will be available to pre-order soon – the Warbikers alongside the release of Codex: Orks, and the Nobz a little later.Space Marine players are going to get ragebaited by Orks just as Ork players were ragebaited by Ogres.
>>98484070meks have genetic memory implanted in them by the old onesimperiumfags are cargo cult retards replicating random STCs they found
>>98484101Any army builder I'm aware of would have flagged all of the mistakes. There's almost no chance the player wasn't aware of them when they submitted. Deserves to be dq.
>>98484178Yeah, but you think they'd maybe figure something out the first time one of the Emperor's elite Astartes gets sent over the bars for trying to hop a curb or a medium-sized rock.Genestealer Jackals ride dirt bikes and quads, so it's not like the principles are unknown in the Imperium.
>>98484189Yeah youre not winning tournaments without knowong what youre doing that shit was on purpose lol
>>98484137Pink is probably better for primer just because you can cover over it better with lighter colors in thinner coats, but I have heard that it helps with some traditionally difficult colors like yellow.
>>98484121>Green washAlso good for Ork skin.The new Ork models are beautiful, man. I cannot wait to get my hands on those nobz.
>>98484182Shart
>>98483504It never said anything about them using the entire chapter in their first engagement
reminder that Eldrad is merely an average psyker by the standards of pre-fall Eldar.
How do you guys comfortably edge highlight? I have a Raphael 3/0 8404 for my highlights since it is small and has a sharp tip. Either my tip dries and clogs up the paint from the belly, or I overthin it, and it's just runny.
>>98484229Use a size 1 brush and make sure the belly is full of paint.If you're using a small brush then thin with flow improver, retarder, or glaze medium if you must, not water.
>>98484229You can edge highlight by using the side of the brush instead of the tip. Water it down a little and always be sure to frequently wash and readd paint to your brush to keep a good consistency.
>>98484121for me it's blue shadows, red brown wash for staining leather, and dark grey wash when I'm too lazy to shade or paint details.
>>98484182why dis nigga chest so big
>>98483623Nah, the Tau are a fun little dark mirror of the Imperium showing what would happen if the Imperium gave up its noble aspects and just embraced ruthless fascism
>>98484121You misspelled white wash>make all your figurines look like they got hotglued
>>98484277Only relevant to tau players.
>>98483873Post the whole thing and I'll suck you off
>>98484238For sharp edges, I do use the side of the brush, but on softer edges, the problems I mentioned take hold.>>98484237Size one for 8404's? If that is what you mean, I do have a 00, so I will try with that one for my next squad of dudes.
What's a good proxy for a GSC abominant?
>>98484039fuck off, no-fun faggot. go back to your 2e battle bible no games cuck chair
>>98484300>>98484086
>>98483623Just play 30k
>>98484221>Eldrad is merely an average psyker by the standards of pre-fall Eldar.He's also a mediocre psyker in modern 40k.
>>98484070It's because the new orks were modeled by an american
>>98484296One of these guys converted enough should be finehttps://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/8zqejqld/new-house-goliath-miniatures-and-rules-for-necromunda/
>>98483983>>98483991>>98484042>>98484189>>98484198The player was disqualified so Space Wolves won that event now.
>>98484315>[LIE]
>>98484221Headcanon btw
>>98484332>Has never gotten a prophecy write>His biggest moment in modern 40k is getting clowned on by a random Deathwatch squad>His biggest moment in 40k's history is getting grabbed by Slaanesh at Cadia and dying like a moronEldrad isn't even on par with random Marine Librarians.
>>98484332mephiston is stronger btw
>>984842933/0 and the like are not generally used for edge highlighting because they dry out too quickly. Most of the time you paint with size 0 or 1 including for edge highlights.I only use brushes that small for lenses/eyes.If you're painting with the tip the difference between a good condition 00000 and 0 is irrelevant except for how much moisture the brush can hold. If you think you need a brush that small it's a skill issue 90% of the time.I have a size 1 8404. Edge highlighting with it or a size 0 should be fine. It's mostly a brush control issue if you need tiny brushes for edge highlighting. Good news is, you get better at edge highlighting by edge highlighting. Time to pick up a squad of Kabalites!
>>98484365>Time to pick up a squad of Kabalites!This is exactly the kit I cut my teeth on learning to edge highlight.
painted this overnight someone glaze me, my post on IG got 1 like
>>98484411
>>98484411So sad, he never got enjoy his strawberry jam
>>98483979Bikes are good, we knew this was so. Gotta say I am not super keen on the Nobs at first impression.>recycled head sculpts from Armageddon>poses do not take advantage of the gigantic base sizes so they just look tiny as a result>something about the posing and sculpts definitely feels like a step down from the other kits, can't put my finger on it though, like the muscle definition seems really poor? And then lastly you just know the statlines here are going to be lame as fuck, like Tyranid Warriors lame where the dude running around with double claws and the guy with a choppa and kustom shoota are going to have identical melee statlines.
Who do you suppose Titus will be fighting in Space Marine 3? My guess is Drukhari in the first half of the game, and then Khorne in the 2nd half of the game.
>>98484365Thank you for the input. I tried with the 3/0 since I figured there would be minimal risk of getting paint on other parts of the mini by accident (and I saw someone use this on a YT short for highlighting leather pouches and belts). For the lenses and the helmet in the pic I posted, I used a way bigger brush, a brush similar to the size of a size 3 8404.
>>98484411WHERE IS HIS JAW?
>>98484425yea and then as added cruelty, someone came along and splashed him with some
>>98484411I thought marines without helmets on couldn't die
>>98484448still in the helmet
New here. Some questions:1. Can I have the maximum points in the reserve all be horsemen, use Leontus' ability on himself to go into reserves with additional horses, and then appear as a massive flank of rough riders and death riders all at once? Can I move during the turn they arrive? Infantry and tanks as support obviously2. Are armored sentinels good at anything? Are scout sentinels worthwhile without artillery?3. And Aeldari players gay and/or women
>>98484436Necrons, SM3 will be tied to the 500 worlds campaign.
>>98484465read the rulebook, secondary-kun
>>98484436Drukhari don't horde enough to be the chaff enemy. Or at least don't swarm in big slow moving masses like boys or gaunts or gors. It's more likely they use Necrons in the next game anyway since they had features of them. Maybe Chaos will be the horder enemy with Necrons as the unfun mostly ranged elite in the back half.
>>98484474Necrons have two problems with fighting them, first there's not a lot of weak disposable enemies they can throw at you, second there's not a lot of blood involved in fighting them
>>98484331Yeah good
>>98484341>>98484345>>98484348*beats Abaddon in your path*
>>98484493They have literally infinity weak disposable enemies to throw at you lolAnd they could have mechanical viscera
>>98484436it was tyranids in sm2 because the main enemy faction of the tabletop's starter set was tyranidsit will be orke in sm3 because the main enemy faction of the tabletop's starter set will still be orks by thennecrons would be what the fans expect the most for the sake of variety and because of how sm2 ended, but they can tie them into the game without making them the main enemy faction of italso he will be back
>>98484491>read the rulebook, secondary-kunIt's very insulting to suggest a guardfag can actually read. You were raised better than that, anon.
>>98484502>Non-canon battle report
>>98484465Page 68 of the core rules download has the strategic reserves rules.You can put additional units into reserves during the battle (repositioned units), but pre-battle the limit is 50% unless specifically stated by the ability.Arriving on the battlefield is considered an ingress move and the unit will not be able to make any other type of move until the next charge phase (again unless specifically stated by an ability).
>>98484493>there's not a lot of weak disposable enemies they can throw at youdamaged necron warriors count, as do zombified guardsmen affected by the pariah nexus
>>98484519cope
>>98484492Depends what direction they go with drukhari if they wanted them. I personally predict Necrons.You could lean into the beast masters and khymerae that they deleted from the recent codexes. Nobody wants to deal with hordes of ludicrously evasive wyches with their 4++ dodge in melee and possibly FNPHaemonculus cults could work too.Nobody's gonna complain of you fuck up a couple wracks or grotesques either regardless of statline they just look and feel like mooks.
>>98484496Lmao. Just cause your favorite faction gets a w, doesn't mean you do mutant.
>>98484427>You just know that "thing that they have said literally under the model photo"
>>98484538Not him tu retardo I just dont think cheaters should win
eldrad is alpharius
>>98484492>Drukhari don't horde enough to be the chaff enemy. Or at least don't swarm in big slow moving masses like boys or gaunts or gors.Covens.
>>98484550they aren't hordes of chaff
>>98484493>there's not a lot of weak disposable enemies they can throw at you, Are you crazy they have like five different variants of horde chaff>second there's not a lot of blood involved in fighting themHave you literally never seen a movie or a videogame having a robot bleed oil/another strange liquid? Necron even have the advantage of having core flux being fluorescent green so it's incredibly visible of you want.
>>98484010>>98484029>>98483985I really like the models but I'm fearing it's gonna be another extremely monopose kit with each body having exactly 2 builds that enforce a schizo loadout instead of being able to give everyone the same loadout like the previous kit.
>>98484436This guy draws the best ladies but I just can't get into macro I don't understand the fetish at all
>>98484493My guy, half the enemies in SM2 were Rubrics, and Titus' squad chewed through them like nothing, even when they are supposed to be quite powerful. Necrons do have disposable troops to throw away.In SM3, we will most likely see Necrons, Death Guard, and/or Red Corsairs.
>>98483836what looksmaxxing routine do I need to go on to size mog him?
>>98484550Covens still use boats, the wracks kit comes with conversions for the Raider and Venom for wrack pilots and gunners.But I think they would kind of work because they definitionally dress like extras and don't all have plasma grenades or guns. Very beefy on TT but they could nerf their stats for gameplay utility.
the void dragon should wake upit would be cool
>>98484411What's the skull doing there? Space Marines canonically don't have bones.
>>98483650Lmao you got bullied out of saying nonce
>>98483550Can Erebus get a 40k model yet?
>>98484592no
>>98483979The Nobz just look like Boyz, imo
>>98483650theres just one guy who takes issue with this artist getting baited constantly just by posting their shit loljealous permabeg im assuming?post proof and pyw while youre at it
>>98484514It was nids in SM2 because that's the OTHER xeno race known for teeming hordes for a shooter about cutting through teeming hordes
>>98484599>/ic/ shitpostingIt's time to go back
>>98484606>recognizing /ic/ shitpostingIll see you there bud
>>98484592wait for IW and WB to get their own supplements
>>98484493>Scarabs>Flayed ones>Macrocytes>WarriorsLet's be honest, the humble Necron Warrior hasn't been the equivalent of a Marine for a long time. This is not 3rd edition when they had Marine stats. Nowadays they are as horde as Ork boys.
>>98484577Drukhari also have shit like Ur-Ghuls, beastmaster warpbeasts like Khymerae packs, Parched feral vampire husks, and Slavemasters with psychotic pained flensed humans to send into battle too. And let's not pretend they wouldn't just make something like Wyches or Commoragh Gangers into roaming packs of unarmored chaff if they wanted to.
>>98484560Razorwing Flocks are definitely chaff.I can also see the drukhari sending waves of barely armed slaves at the protagonist or some shit if they were desperate for fodder tier enemies. Like the drukhari torture the shit out of them or drug them up on some crazy hallucinogens before releasing them on the space marines.
>>98484614theyre pretty horder but theyre also a pretty fucking good horde
>>98483829You could say the same about most forge world factions. The guard are the only army in the game other than space marines and dark eldar who get custom sculpted subfaction model release waves.And the dark eldar haven't gotten shit since 7th edition so they barely count. You're the second most babied faction in the entire game and you have the audacity to ask for even more support. I actually want more traitor normies but I'm not out here bitching about it because I'm not a guardfag.
>>98484614So are Necron Warriors more the equivalent of Guardsmen now?
They're gone from the store, and tonight was clearly the last reveal. Are they kill?
>>98484671I don't see why. But now they need their own kit, they used the boyz bodies.
>>98484622not how they operate slaves are taken, not used in war
> I murdered thousands for the Emperor and he gave me nothing except his damning silence. Now his lapdogs yap for every life I take, while the gods promise me the galaxy.Chaos chads rise up
>>98484595Presumably they're larger than the basic boyz.
>>98484671Unless they're going to be their next orkish kill team, yes.
>>98484676No, they actually were their own full kit complete with bodies
>>98484695Might have gotten a retooling at some point then.
>>98483914I want more Corsair, clown and/or Exodite units. Craftworld Eldar as a faction are basically feature complete so there isn't much else you can do with them outside of releasing shadow spectres in plastic.
>>98484678Depends on the particular kabal/cult/coven. I think the rogue trader videogame had them fielding slaves as combatants as well.
>>98483920Orks are the degraded remains of the greatest bioweapon ever created during the height of the greatest war the galaxy ever saw. Of course they're WS3+All the Aspect warriors should be either WS2+ or BS2+ on whatever they're built for, with their other stat being 4+ to represent how focused their training is. Exarchs are murder kings so they can just be WS2+BS2+
>>984839202+ is the place of charactersJust how it is with the lack of granularity a D6 offers, 4+ is 'decently trained/experienced', 3+ is 'elite warrior', 2+ is 'greatest champions of the army'
>>98484764Now if only a system existed to allow for more than 6 values while still using the same 6 rolls... the technology just isn't there quite yet I guess.
>>98483873Grey Knight brotherhood of Psykers gonna be lit this edition. Finally gonna get their refresh for sure now. They didn't get it in the Terminator edition but they're DEFINITELY getting some love in the Psyker edition, right?
>>98484345Eldrad pulled a battleship out of the Warp, banished every daemon inside of it and did so while holding two different psychic conversations simultaneously, before he bacame high farseer of Ulthwe.He can also stop time, astrally project himself anywhere in the galaxy and use Telepathy inside the fucking Pariah Nexus.He's also better at Divination than the fuxking Emperor but that isn't saying much because the Emperor is one of the worst Diviners OAT.Point is my boy has a gigantic psychic penis, though he is still probably weaker than mephiston lol.
>>98484329Unfortunately they're not even up for preorder
>>98483591Thats alright
>Kinda wanna use Shining SpearsHow do I use them and how many do I need along with other Jetbike units?
So basically:>Guardsman infantry = Ork Boys = Necron Warriors = Eldar Guardians = Tau FirewarriorsBut then what is the Tyrannid equivalent?
>>98484812maybe if Mephiston were an ultramarine that would be true, but he's a blood angel psyker so he sits in the cuck chair
>>98483632Any rumors about new World Eater models?
>>98484839Shining Spears are good. 3x3 is pretty common.
>>98484809yeah let's slow the game down even more with charts
>>98484841Tigurius eavesdropping with the hive mind really messed up the psyker powerscaling.
>>98484812And what are your sources?
Tau are gay
>>98484840>But then what is the Tyrannid equivalent?gaunts
>>98483628I feel like the starter set is a better deal, with the terrain and all
>>98483486I haven't played a game of 10th yet
>>98483742>>98483728>>98483716Eldar Knights will be their own separate army
>>98484839Shining spears are used in the same way you'd use a Tomahawk missile.
WHY NOT IN STOCK
>>98484853We had this shit memorized back in the day. I try not to buy into the idea that "kids these days" are just dumber or lazier, but sometimes they make it difficult. Charts for hitting or wounding weren't hard to manage at all. >>98484809D12 based system when?
>>98484904If only there was another way.
>>98484871I think so too but I think I want the dakkarig more than the terrain. I'll probably end up settling for the starter box before the armageddon box ever gets that cheap though.
>>98484293I find that I have to be quick and add a little water or flow improver to keep the paint workable. Most of the time I just refresh my brush very often between lines, that way it's consistent.
>>98483623Loyalist Marines all should be squatted, they are too hopeful to fit the settingCSM should be the only Marines around, since it's fittingly grimdark that Emperor's greatest gift to Mankind, his Angels, turned against Mankind and became bloodthirsty monstersImperial Guard should be redesigned to look more Medieval since they stick out like a sore thumb among Feudal Theocracy that is Imperium
>>98484867Fascists often are.
>>98484853Dawg if this shit slows your games down by any appreciable amount then you and your opponent should both be put down
>>98484916these do not spark joy
VALRAK NEWS (my power went out 5 hours ago)PLASTIC WARHOUNDS WILL BE A THING400 DOLLARS USDCODEX TITANICUS AND TITANICUS HERETICUS IS COMING
>>98483873The introduction of psyker levels is such a massive change to slam down post edition launch that I refuse to believe this is real
Why is Warhammer lore so prone to games of telephone
>>98484953It definitely feels like something that should have been part of the core rules. But GW is often willing to reprint the same text for many factions (sticky, uppy/downy, baby transhuman, etc) when a universal rule would have been easier to reference. So it's completely believable.
What's Teegee's opinion on these two?
>>98484942It all adds up. Simple is better. More strategy, less consulting charts. Same problem with every unit having multiple skills and weapon profiles, rerolls and modifiers.
>>98484971Pointless in the lore, insufferable on the tabletop
>>98484953On one hand this feels like way too big a thing to be in just Codex releasesOn the other it's GW and they stopped caring years ago
>>98484979May as well axe the toughness chart then. It's the same fucking thing.Hell, why don't we all go play AoS since it's simpler and superior since it doesn't have charts slowing the game down?
>>98484980>Pointless in the loreWhy though? They are meant to replace Farsight in the Empire as the masters of Mont'ka>insufferable on the tabletopWhy though?
>>98484671I hope not cos I'm trying to build a shooty ork list.
>>98484971What is the significance of the blue parts of the armour with the holes and stitching? Just ceremonial/ornamental?
>>98484862The Battleship thing happens in Jain Zar, the storm of Silence. Jain Zar's borrowed Battleship ends up in the warp and the ship gets raided by Daemons. Eldrad knew this was gonna happen thanks to future sight so he hung around nearby and when Jain Zar finished killing the KOS in the ships reactor Room Eldrad Neg diffed all the other Daemons while humblebragging to both Jain Zar and the Ship pilot.After Eldrad drags the ship out of the Warp and into realspace Jain Zar points out how this display of psychic power is fucking absurd. Eldrad responds by basically going "yeah I'm pretty strong" and flexing his psychic muscles in front of the pretty lady.I should mention here that this is Pre Heresy Eldrad, bro's young by eldar standards when he does this. He's also the smuggest piece of shit I've ever read in a 40k book.The time stop happens in that god awful John Grammaticus book, Eldrad stops time to talk to JG and tells him to stop being the Cabals bitch and think for himself, then dips.Eldrad Astral projects all the time, he does it in basically every HH book he's in (except when he tried to talk to fulgrim) and he does it in both Ynnari books too.The Telepathy in the Nexus feat is also from the ynnari books, specifically book 2 where The Eldar fuck around with some necrons and the Necrons respond by switching off the Warp, banishing the Yncarne, depowering all the fancy eldar tech, ruining their comms systems and rendering Yvraine helpless. Then Eldrad uses Telepathy to contact Yvraine, goes "wow this sure sucks huh" and then links the entire warhosts brains together so they can restore order and come up with a plan.Bro's genuinely unbothered by the Necrons switching off the warp. For Some reason Gav Thorpe will let Eldrad do whatever the fuck he wants.
>>98484990>Why though?The Tau don't need another (set of) super speshul commander(s) that have studied the blade for 600 gojillion years>Why thoughBait, retarded, or newfag?Call it.
>>98485012Space Teclis doing work I guess.
>>98484904>a collection of random accessory bits smaller than your thumbnail costs $35this is why 40k's tabletop game will never be popularyou can buy whole ass games that give you hundreds of hours of entertainment for the same price
>>98485012>The Telepathy in the Nexus featA tomb world Null Matrix, not the Pariah Nexus Pylon.Two different technologies.Null matrixes makes it hard for psykers to use their power. A fully active Pariah Nexus Pylon kills psykers within its active range. Further away, they diminish psyker powers and sap souls until everyone is in a coma. Asuryanui of Alaitoc use Wraith constructs to enter the Nexus since its too dangerous for living Asuryani to enter there.Anyway, that's BL nonsense.In GW lore, Abaddon cornered Eldrad in a duel and forced him to pull a bear spear trick. There was no showing of super psyker power other finding the only future where he wouldn't be killed.
>>98485052or just 3D print them for literal pennies, the markup on this shit is insane
I didnt know a pariah nexus could turn people into zombies thats pretty coolLike living people or dead people?
>>98485020>The Tau don't need another (set of) super speshul commander(s) that have studied the blade for 600 gojillion yearsBut Space Marines get 20 more characters? The Tau have like three characters at most in their range.>Bait, retarded, or newfag?Newfag. I only own a few models.
>>98485068Bad guys don’t get to have character POVs
>>98484955Because there's a lot of it and 40k has a severe tertiary infection.
>>98485055I don't know Necron lore and I don't think Gav knows the difference either since every other psyker lost all their powers so forgive me for being confused.
>>98485068You don't understand anon, space marines need 15 lieutenant models. If they don't get them they might realize that the modern editions are bad and it's only GWs absurd velocity that keeps people from noticing.
>>98485012>The Battleship thing happens in Jain Zar, the storm of Silence. Jain Zar's borrowed Battleship ends up in the warp and the ship gets raided by Daemons. Eldrad knew this was gonna happen thanks to future sight so he hung around nearby and when Jain Zar finished killing the KOS in the ships reactor Room Eldrad Neg diffed all the other Daemons while humblebragging to both Jain Zar and the Ship pilotNot him but that isn't what happened. Jain Zar purposefully damaged the reactor during her fight in order to shunt the ship back into realspace, which is what then caused the Daemons to be banished from the ship. This was in part because the Keeper of Secrets leading the Daemons was leeching energy from the reactor, and with it being damaged they lost their grip on reality and had to pull out. The KoS was actually moments away from gutting Jain Zar.Eldrad was only there to pick up the survivors after they emerged since he foresaw their arrival.
>>98485055The old (GOOD) eldar codexes explicitly mention Farseers can ragdoll battle tanks on a whim and eldrads massively stronger than any other farseer. Besides the post your using there is lore written for a white dwarf battle report explaining how abaddon somehow lost to eldrad in melee. Its unironically less canon than BL slop.
>>98485052>you can buy whole ass games that give you hundreds of hours of entertainment for the same priceTrue in 2010 not true anymore with 500 dollars of DLC.
I'm surprised I dont see more complaining about terrain footprints and layouts. This shit is gay as hell and I hate it. Perhaps I've become the old man yelling at cloud.
>>98485062yeah i know, it's just whenever ive try to introduce my friends to 40k before it kind of lifts the veil off my eyes as i realize how expensive this hobby is to the common guy>you need to buy the sprues which range anywhere from 30-60 for a character, 60-80 for a unit, and 100-180 for a centerpiece>if you don't have a workstation for modeling then you need to spend ~50 in assembly materials like knives, files, sprue cutters, and glue>painting is also an entire hobby in and of itself so depending on how deep you want to go you need to spend ~10-20 on starter brushes, 15-25 on a primer rattlecan, and 50+ on acrylics, metallics, and technicals like washes or varnishes>then you need to get over the mental block of your first models being wasted money as you inevitably fuck them up with your ineptitudeall this happened to me so long ago that i forgot how much it sucked, it's not really a surprise to how my friends have pretty much gone "I don't think this is for me man" and stick to playing shit like osrs or friendslop
>>98485134>The old (GOOD) eldar codexes explicitly mention Farseers can ragdoll battle tanks on a whimBig deal, human psykers can too.
>>98485064Living people. The Stilling effect caused by the Pylons slowly kills the souls of people within the sector. It causes madness and delirium before causing permanent comas when the soul gets erased.Faith, for some reason, slows down the process or completely counters it.
>>98485119I cannot be fucked to find my copy of Storm of Silence so I'll take your word for it. God that book was a disapointment. Stroppy teen eldrad and sentai Asurmen were the only fun parts.>"who are you?!">"I am your evils returned to you. I am the justice your victims cry out for. I am the hand of Asuryan, the Dire Avenger."Lmao. Jain Zar making a Dark Eldar Haemonculus remember when he got diddled as a kid was also pretty funny, in a "what the fuck am I reading" sorta way.
>>98484971Extremely cool models. Named characters are ass and get the rope though.
>>98485143ProbablyI dont see anything wrong with it?
>>98485119Close enough desu. I assumed something like that happened. Jain Zar can't even deal with a squad of Chaos marines (Night Lords trilogy?) so her taking an L to a keeper of secrets is in line with GWs power scaling. Honestly feels like Eldar and Tau are playing the role of actual humans in the story. Space marines take an easy w against everything, guard play like generic fantasy orks and throw bodies at everything, then you have legendary 10,000 year old space elf fighters who look at a greater daemon and get out via alternate wincons or take an L. I'd bet 500$ on your average space marine captain to beat a greater daemon. Like oh, Titus just did. but you arent going to actually see most eldar taking a w even when the enemy is a villain faction lol
>>98485176>I dont see anything wrong with it?Yikes.
>>98485181oh shit its diagonal bros holy fuck everyone get mad!
>>98485145You forgot>buying ze cards>buying ze terrain>buying ze codex>buying ze app>buying ze datasheets after ze codex becomes outdated>buying ze dice>buying ze magnetized bases for transport>buying ze overpriced drinks at the LGS >buying ze deodorant
>>98485149Wouldn't the Ynnari be completely immune to that then? Like Yvraine is literally the high priest of Ynnead and her crew are devoted body and soul to following the will of their new God?
>>98485190Thats not even close.
>>98485143It's a fuck of a lot better than the obscenely ugly L shaped mirrors and magic circles of last edition if nothing else
>>98485177at least fuegan got to aura farm against a lord of change
diagonalbros…
>>98485195The Who?
>>98485195Faith only works if it's in fake gods, not real gods.
>>98485195Nah.It seems that the Faith thing is exclusive to humans for some reason.
>>98485190>diagonal brosAre these the new thread schizos? Which one is cunning but brutal and which one is brutal but cunning?
>>98485202Karandras getting axed in the new codex was sad but the man's only achievement is a rivalry with his senpai and he lost to a no-name dreadnought without doing anything cool so I'm not so beat up.
>>98485200Its basically the same, and on what were previously normal looking tables that didn't use retarded L terrain, but which are now mandated to use this it looks worse.
>>98485177The "Jain Zar loses to the night lords bit" is a meme, She unironically put up a better showing as the antagonist in a chaos space marine book than she got as the protagonist in her own book.In the Night Lords book she's basically a blender with legs who solo's the warband. She's no primarch but she's clearly an absurdly skilled fighter. In her book named after her she's a fucking joke and loses constantly.Almost all the Eldars most impressive bullshit happens in books where they're the Villains. Its weird.
>>98485195Most likely no because the only reason faith was the thing that worked is because the writers wanted SoB to be centrally relevant to an event and faith is their whole thing aside from having tits. Ynnari will probably never be relevant again post gathering storm so the writers won't bother writing them a special exception
I like vaguely complaining about stuff but not expoundingIs /40kg/ a good place for me to call home?
>>98485222Doesn't she lose to Drazhar in Psychic Awakening?
>>98485210>>98485213So are Saints imperial daemons or not? Do the SoB actually get divine protection via faith and get their faith points or are all the core SoB mechanics retconned? This is a big change! Ynnead is as much a real God as the Emperor- having exactly one summonable avatar and one subgroup of guys who supposedly get faith powers where everyone else just spouts lip service.
>>98485225man just argue and greentext other anons, dont be a pussy about it
>>98485213Sisters all work in the Pariah Nexus because they are Stepford wives of the Emperor who have been lobotomized by the eclesiarchy and have a programmed AI that cannot doubt their religious tenets. Miracles are void dragon magic resurrecting dead sisterbots or enhancing machines.
>>98485225Yes. It's great.
>>98485226Yes. He explicitly cuts her in half then throws both parts into Aelindrach to be eaten by shadow daemons.
>>98485225perchance
>>98485226Drazhar is also a Phoenix lord.
>>98485226Yes but also no cause she save had a pocket revive. Drazhar is also like the walking aspect of the very concept of murder though so that's hardly a shameful loss.
>>98485226Drazhar is the overpowered evil rider in the phoenix lord sentai dynamic
>>98485202Fuegan and Maugan Ra are the only phoenix lords allowed to do cool shit. Fuegan never abandoned the battle for Asur after Arrhra ruined everything, was missing for hundreds of years and then showed back up by jumping out of a warprift on Haranshemash to continue killing chaos. Bro's literally too angry to die, at least before the rest of the phoenix lords do.
Can anyone justify Jain Zar abandoning the Ynnari?
>>98485217L-shape ruins were mandated in 10th. Now you have a lot more freedom on what you plop on the template areas. The large central objective in that map could be a square ruin unless the idea of that being 4 connected 90 degree angles is the issue you have. In which case, this is on you being a spaz. Shit, you can even put trees there in 11th and that's fine.
>>98485261Who cares?
>>98485261The script said so because the Ynnari storyline is dead in the water.
>>98485226Drazhar eats Custodes for breakfast lunch and dinner. He is the foremost psychotic murderer in an entire faction of psychotic murderers. He is the least shameful thing Jain Zar has lost to.
how do custodians compare to incubi and flawless blades in terms of swordsmanship/fighting?who is the strongest?
>>98483346I will finish painting my Templars and single handedly raise their win rate
>>98485262>L-shape ruins were mandated in 10th. Now you have a lot more freedom on what you plop on the template areas. The large central objective in that map could be a square ruin unless the idea of that being 4 connected 90 degree angles is the issue you have. In which case, this is on you being a spaz. Shit, you can even put trees there in 11th and that's fine.Yikes
>>98485270I miss when he had a stat profile that let him fight twice and even kill knights. 9e DEldar were totally ridiculous.
>>98485262>Now you have a lot more freedom on what you plop on the template areas.You very much don't. It specifies what and where the thing is on the template. More importantly the existence of these terrain areas cement specified terrain layouts as the standard for even casual play.
>>98485261The Visarch started simping for her, she had to get the fuck out of there.
>>98485281Custodes literally only exist to show how strong something different is for defeating them.
>>98485281Custodes casually stomp anything xenos have that isn't a huge Monster.
Does the shock troop kit have enough male heads for a whole squad or no?
retards still dont understand casual players can just put terrain wherever the fuck they want lol this shit is crazyIll still see people crying about this shit 3 years from now too
>>98485262Now you have a lumpy L shaped template, well some of them are I's too.
>>98485281In lore, probably basic Custodes beat Flawless Blades who beat Basic Incubi.But Drazhar beats Named Custodes who beat Lucius who beats Incubi Heirarachs who beat all the other unnamed stuff.
>>98485298stop ban evading
>>98485281As a general rule of thumb if its not a demon or named character (or a clown lol) custodes will win. If its a daemon then whoever the book is about will win. If its a named character the custodes get folded.
>>98485012I feel like Eldar look really cool in art but then all their models just completely fuck the proportions of the weapons
>>98485261The plan to merge the Eldar into an AoS style megafaction in the planned 40k end times via the Ynnari was taken out back and shot when the management change happened so now everything related to the Ynarri is being gradually quietly swept under the rug before they pull the trigger on squatting them.
>>98485281In terms of what authors write, all of the other anon answers work great, but I think the setting is such that power levels are fucking lame given that it's a heavy metal & firepower kind of setting.
>>98485318Thats heroic scale, it happens to everyone.
>>98485230>literally begging for (you)sHoly kek
>>98485321Old news from 5 years ago, ynnari are relevant again.
Holy shit just move on from eldar already, they're the most stupidly boring faction in the setting. Not even GW gives q fuck about them.
>>98485299The what kit? Cadians? I think you're a head short in the cadian kit.
>>98485304is he also gay for custodes? I thought it was just knights and wolves.
>>98485339lmao
>>98485343Agreed theres nothing to them that manes them interesting whatsoeverI guess theyre good on the tabletop?
>>98485343The Eldar are important because they give the setting a faction that's slowly dying off
>>98485343Thats how to do it anon, you're fitting in already!
>>98485012In Gathering Storm Eldrad build a psychical bridge between Biel Tan and Ulthwe throught entire galaxy for Yvraine and ynnari armyHe throwing harlequins into Terra back in war of the beastHe beat Abaddon in meleeEldrad is such a dick
>>98485293Biggest simp in the galaxyOnly Malcador was worse
>>98485349It's just faggots with elf fetishes who like them.>>98485350All the more reason not to care about them.
>>98485362>All the more reason not to care about them.If you can't see the appeal of a faction raging against the dying of the light that's on you mate.
New war walker kit in 11th methinks. Maybe new grav tanks too? But I do still like the old sculpts…
>>98485343>huge refresh last year>huge corsair release this year>surprise exodite kill team this year (same year)>huge dark eldar release next year>huge exodite release in 2028EVERY YEAR IS ELDAR
>>98485299Yes, there's more than 10 male heads in the Cadian Shock Troops box.You can even avoid the "clearly black facial structure" heads too if you really want to chud out in a way that no one but you will notice.
>>98485290Rules as written the layouts only care about where you put the terrain bases and wether they have light or heavy terrain on them. What that terrain looks like is completely up to you.
>>98485350>that's slowly dying offThat's every faction except orks and tau
>>98485369>a faction raging against the dying of the lightThe eldar aren't raging, they're crying and whimpering at their own perpetual impotence.
I wonder how Iyanna feels about getting cucked out of the role of high priestess of Ynnead by a Drukari Whore.
>>98485357>In Gathering Storm Eldrad build a psychical bridge between Biel Tan and Ulthwe throught entire galaxy for Yvraine and ynnari armyAlso forgot that he stopped time in entire galaxy during this
>>98485384The Imperium is growing and advancing.
>>98485386She doesn't care.
>>98485143Yep, definitely some "old good new bad" brainrot happening. Terrain and objective areas are a massive improvement to the game.
>>98485394>The Imperium is growing and advancing.
>>98485343trying to hard, primitive mon'keigh
>knights not mentioned as Exodite models>Knights have their own clans>knights very relevant and cool and bigCODEX: AELDARI KNIGHTS WILL BE A THINGDRUKHARIKNIGHTSELDAR
>>98485318With a little bit of love and an incredible artist, they can capture the vibe of their beautiful old artwork
>>98485386If I was her I'd kill myself. Oh wait, thats how she solves all her problems.
>>98485394>>98485384>>98485385>>98485350according to the exodite book they are actually aggressively increasing in number as they colonize a million exodite worlds while defeating imperials by summoning the world spirit to kill all humans while being allied with biel tan and harlequins, and see themselves as the true heirs of the eldar empire and seek to build a new one.
>>98485404>Indominus Crusade and the Achilus Crusade reclaiming thousands of worlds>Cawl bringing rapid innovation to the wider Imperium>Mass production of new Space Marines ongoing>Guilliman fixing the living conditions and political infighting of the Imperium getting rid of the high lords The Imperium is advancing faster than the Tau could ever hope to. Fascism never works, innovation requires freedom.
>>98485343>Aspects all beautiful and new finally>Corsairs are Real>Exodites are Real>Psychic confirmed to be back>Cronesword appearing in the most anticipated 40k novel of the year>Vect is actually back with new Dark Eldar modelsIt's generally a very good time for Eldar fans. Just don't look at any of their tournament win rates right now
>>98485290>>98485302If you're playing games that way, it's on you. Not my fault you have a shitty local scene.
>>98485420You're a filthy liar and a fraud, and I pray you spill your drink on yourself the next time you have a meal.
>>98485357It's not hard to beat someone who has no arms in melee. What was Abaddon going to do, fall on him?
>>98485423>innovation requires freedom
>>98485213>It seems that the Faith thing is exclusive to humans for some reason.Lame
Why do people still enforce WYSIWYG despite the fact that GW themselves don't include all the wargear. For example sisters retributors can take 4 multimelta but the kit only includes 2. And 1 BSS can also take a multimelta but the BSS kit doesn't include multimeltas at all. So to have 3 squads of multimelta retributors and 6 squads of BSS with multimeltas you need to buy 9 retributor boxes and 6 BSS boxes.That is 390 dollars extra you need to spend because they don't give enough multimeltas, just so you can WYSIWYG
>>98485436>Eldar godsDead inside Slaanesh>Necrons godsSharded.>Tau 'god' Tzeentch in dragWhat other gods exist for xenos to have Faith in?
I bought 1000+ points of chaos daemons. They better not be squatted like rumors say....
>>98485429It's in the book.
>>98485438Because I don't want to remember which of your lasguns is actually a melta or which melta is a actually plasma or wether your unit has an upgrade or not. I want to be able to identify things just by looking at the models.
>>98485436>>98485448My schizo headcanon is that all humans are baseline psykers, just that the vast majority of them aren't powerful enough to manifest anything tangible. But en mass, their faith starts becoming very real.
>>98485427>for the first time in two decades eldar are garbage again.Fifth edition my beloved. Yes I know this is the 4th ed eldar codex, they didn't get a codex in 5th edition so shut the fuck up.
>>98485459Prove it.
>>98485448Apparently no servant of chaos has ever had Faith enough to work in the Pariah Nexus either
>>98485448The clown.
>>98485448SUP FAGGOT
>>98485455It would be funny if they got squatted. Belakor is one of the most overwanked characters in media besides fucking Luffy.
>>98485433Capitalism breeds innovation, and the Imperium is the most libertarian faction in the setting.
>>98485217A friend who doesn't play 40k asked me what happened to the terrain rules about 2 weeks after armageddon came out because it was visually apparent. To paraphrase his comment was something like "normally a board would look like a city block or something, with those cancer circles, now its a few pieces of random trash?".
>>98485372>>huge corsair release this year2 kits and 2 heroes is huge to you?
>>98485468Why don't you buy the book yourself
>>98485474Tzeentch in clown makeup.>>98485477If you tried praying to Gork or Mork they'd intentionally step on you
>>98485423Let's see the Imperium produce another suit of Tartaros Terminator armor; I'll wait. Cawl and Gman merely put a band-aid on the axe wound. Besides, half the Imperium hates Gman, he will have to take total control or make Ultramar independent to truly change things for the better.
>>98485455You looked at at army that was always a third child in 40k, has been rather antiquated for a long time, is likely to get Legends'd soon, and you thought "Yes I better buy most of an army up front? " Do you have a backup plan to use them in another Chaos army?
>>98485386I think she's glad she dodged a bullet.
>>98485484>Spending over $150 on two factions I don't play to get a mediocre Kill Team rulebook
>>98485489>he will have to take total controlHe already has. The High Lords and Imperium Senate were purged, and he left only people loyal to him in charge. Meanwhile Cawl has already reverse-engineered Necron blackstone and brought back AI to the Imperium, bringing the Imperium back to its DAOT level.
>>98485386She is too busy filling her emptiness with wraithcocks>>98485359Visarch canonically bang Yvraine. He call her "girl" during their first meet in commorragh and she melted about it, because only one dude (visarch when he was an exarch) can call her like that. And somehow, GW is to noisy in their "bond" right in PEGI 12+ codex>>98485432>It's not hard to beat someone who has no arms in meleeCalgar lost to him btw
>>98485484>>98485498bros you can just google eldar 4th edition codex and get a pdf in a couple of minutes, first one to get there wins the "momentary feeling of superiority before next inane argument" prize
>>98485490Nope. Sure right now I just bought Khorne stuff. But I plan to add Nurgle and Slaanesh stuff as well (Tzeench can get fucked don't like those units)If they try to make this some these are only allies to WE, EC, DG etc then in that case I'll burn them like the Dark Elves guy or these will become Old World/Sigmar exclusive figures if I find someone to play with.
>>98485500This is all wrong.
>>98485480Your not wrong. After all John Locke, the father of Libertarianism who wrote heavily on the fundemental right of humans to freedom, was also deeply involved in the slave trade.
>>98485502>Calgar lost to him btwCalgar lost to the Swarmlord who himself has never had a single win since beating Calgar. Calgar is a complete joke.
>>98485500Cawls a fucking heretek and literally everyone hates him, including Guilliman.
>>98485520>who himself has never had a single win since beating Calgar.I'm relatively sure he killed the octarian big warboss
>>98485502calgar has no arms or legs
>>98485515Yeah, the Imperium isn't some coddling fascist empire like the Tau who give you a bunch of stuff to help you but expect you to do what they say, instead it's a place where you have the freedom to make your own choices, make your own way in life, any Imperium citizen can become a planetary governor if they work hard enough and are smart enough.
>>98485520Didn't Calgar fight a fuckton of daemons I the warp solo? Oh right, that was retconned by word of God as it would have made him and Titus's squad some of the most powerful beings in the setting.Yeah calgar ain't having a good year.
>>98485502>She is too busy filling her emptiness with wraithcocksGIWTWM
>>98485528>Cawls a fucking heretek and literally everyone hates himHe has a significant influence on Mars and has many Admech planets that listen to him and implement his reforms
>>98485532With the obvious exception of all the slaves who by liberal theory are not citizens and therefore have no right to freedom.
Is the throne still about to fail?
>>98485532>Work 20 hour days with 1 hour marches each way to your home for 7 days a week with only 1 day off in a yearYeah try to become a planetary governor under those circumstances.
>>98485537So its just the Lord regent of half the Imperium who hates him, got it.
>>98485533There were the events of the super unknown blood oath campaign book
>>98485547ye, same as the last few decadesany moment now fr fr
>>98485551He's accepted by Guilliman and Guiliman controls the other half of the Imperium
>>98485535>daily reminder to thank blindwildcat for drawing my degenerative kinky fetishes https://x.com/BlindWildcat/status/2056883708678832389
>>98485548And yet two Guardsmen managed to do just that in a day
Mechanicus is probably the biggest thing holding back Imperium. Think of it this way if Star Wars Galactic Empire appeared in 40K universe Imperium would refuse to reverse engineer their hyperdrives and communication systems because it's tech heresy and would keep using the fucking warp.
>>98485570Let me guess these were the two guardsmen who found some old STC for some combat knife or something? Honestly I think you almost have a higher chance to start as a low ranking chaos cultist and ascend into a Daemon Prince.
>>98485572The Mechanicus has in a few years managed to reverse engineer Necron blackstone, reinvent DAoT era AI, create hover-vehicles superior to anything used by the other factions, fix all stability issues with plasma, and invent a new higher quality mass producible variant of Space Marines. I'd say the Mechanicus is doing just fine considering they're out-innovating everyone else.
>>98485586god nulore is such vomit
>>98485572The Admech's hoarding is better and worse. Better in that less chances of Chaos getting it, worse in that they're keeping lots of the best shit to themselves. But on an individual level you got the Custodes and more hoarding secrets.
>>98485586>create hover-vehicles superior to anything used by the other factions,What
>>98485572I'm sure you don't have anything better to do in your ESL life than spouting basic tertiary takes as if they were controversial instead of completely missing the point of the setting.But other people are better than you, so spare them, kill yourself and have your grey matter take exclusively on a wall.
>>98485592The Imperium was always the best the setting has to offer, once new factions started being introduced like the Votann and Tau, it's only natural that the Imperium would improve to still be the best option around.
>>98485597He introduced a bunch of new hover vehicles like grav-tanks for the Primaris which absolutely trounces anything the Tau or Necrons have
>>98485586all wrong, by the way
>>98485597Repulsor, impulsor, custodes jetbikes.Back in the old days Eldar tanks were allowed on top of ruins if they could stay without falling too because canonically they all fly in from orbit anyway but alas Imperiumfags ruined that by putting their shitty super land raider sized tanks on them and gw ruled they're all hover so operate on the same principles in lore. Thus we later got orbital repulsor drops in one of the indomitus crusade books making imperium hover tanks better in every single way to their eldar counterparts in terms of mobility, firepower, carry capacity, and in lore abilities.
>>98485614reeeeee I hate hovertanks the only hover vehicles should be landspeeders and gunships
>>98485463>My schizo headcanon is that all humans are baseline psykersThat's not really headcanon but actual real canon.All humans are technically psykers since all humans (except blanks) exists on the positive side of the "Assignment" scale.And that positive psychic signature is the human's soul. And it is known that all souls are irrecoverably connected to the Warp.This is also the reason why humans are so susceptible to Chaos corruption, since the connection between the soul and the warp is a 2 way street.It's how psykers work, their soul, like with all humans, is connected to the Warp and the Warp is connected to their soul which is then what allows psykers to "pull" warp energy which they can use to basically do magic.
>>98485420Based. Kill all m*nkeigh!
>>98485614Ah so we are just lying
>>98485597The hover tanks/vehicles made by Cawl aren't superior to that of other factions. I don't know where these idiots got that from.
>>98485628Tbh I would prefer no hover units for imperium since non imperium factions need something to stand out with and it makes the rugged imperial tech look coherent.
>>98485614Would you look at that, the Mon-keigh are starting to understand anti-grav. How charmingly quaint.
>>98485644The Imperium has always been one of the more advanced factions in the setting, the Tau are technologically primitive compared to the Imperium, the reason their soldiers get better armor and weapons isn't because of any tech advantage but instead because they coddle their soldiers instead of letting them think for themselves.
>>98485614No, they don't, imperial antigrav tech is the clunkiest and least efficient of the setting, even worse than tyranids and orks.
>>98485657Orks and Nids have Antigrav tech?
from an old thread but >>98478120 I installed a camera mod for dawn of war and the game was a breeze. I got hyper focused at points, but I never felt like I was fighting the camera this time, so thanks for the advice if you’re still here.
>>98485664yes
>>98485648waow nice thorns
>>98485675Post proof
>>98485664Nids get theirs by farting really hard and orks just strap a big fan to the bottom of their vehicles and say it's anti-grav
>>98485655They are on the high end but are supposed to be outdone by eldar and necrons.Tau deploy their hovertanks via manta. I actually assumed landspeeders were ground effect craft for the longest time.
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>>98485693what forge world upgrade is that
>>98485693That nid is clearly tippy toeing on its long tail
>>98485683To be fair we do see the Imperium absolutely trounce the Necrons with superweapons like the Ark of Oblivion
Are Servo Skulls hover tech?
>>98485733Yep
>>98485715Which is soon overshadowed by the superweapon the necrons useThat's the point of that warzone
>>98485733naw they just do that
>>98485738At the end of the day it was the Necrons that ran away afraid and shitting their pants
>>98485733yes, at small scale hover tech is trivial, it just somehow doesn't scale up easily until you reach the truly big stuff used in spaceships
>>98485744No, it wasn't, that's not how it went, maybe you should read the book instead crying "empereeum besht" on the internet.
When is the next warhammer+ animation? I know astartes 2 is in december but surely there is something else before then?
Mike wazowski.
>>98485471Actually, the Word Bearers' faith also works to counter the effects of the pariah Nexus. The source is the Chaos in the Nexus lore article GSC faith too, oddly enough.
>>98485756the world eaters one?
>>98485748Don't Titans use lots of Antigrav tech to not sink into the ground? I always assumed that the only reason for why the Imperium don't put Antigrav on everything is a combination of not wanting to modify old templates and it not being cost efficient when threads and wheels are just as good in most cases and a hundred times easier to repair and maintain. The same reason for why every guardsman doesn't have a plasmagun.
>>98485751That is how it went, once the Necrons found out Guilliman's sword was perma-killing them they collectively shat their pants cause nobody in the universe has technology that advanced
>>98485758I feel nothing for these new nobs, they don't feel big.Has looking at big nobs online desensitized me?
>>98485778get your mind out of the gutter
>>98485693I love how the Orks invented anti grav but instead of making their shit hover like every other faction they used it to make their enemies stuff hover just long enough to drop them from great height.Proper big thinking that is.
>>98485764The reason they don't give every Guard a plasmagun has more to do with them encouraging the Guard to think outside of the box, the Imperium could easily give their troops the best armor in the setting, but that would just encourage the same overconfident mindset that the xenos have which keeps getting them trounced by humans
>>98485772>cause nobody in the universe has technology that advancedWhatThat's double retarded. Necrons are not hard to permakill if you know how to it. The Deathwatch was doing it in Warzone Damnos thirteen years ago
>>98485772No, that's once again wrong, necrons have plenty of ways to permakill each other and guilliman actually retreated from a fight with the necrons and silent king in the end.If you only like your faction due to factually wrong information, then you don't actually like your faction, or 40k in the first place.
>>98485772Girlymans sword perma kills shit because its a chunk of a god tied to a stick. Its not the only weapon that Perma Kills Necrons, any Vortex weapon does that and so do Eldar Distortion weapons.
>>98485794>The Deathwatch was doing it in Warzone Damnos thirteen years agoSo...the Imperium. Not exactly disproving them to be the most advanced.
Do think it's funny that in the debate about technology the Eldar are being left out as being ultimately inconsequential.
>>98485785Orkish antigrav is the most powerful in the setting because it doesn't work by lifting the target against gravity, it is genuinely physically impossible to direct anti-gravity like that, instead they use their beam to isolate the target from the inertial frame of reference long enough to activate the actual antigrav engine that's solidly on the ground and used to lift the planet in the opposite direction.
>>98485800I am disproving that Guilliman is somehow exceptional for doing it. Necron reanimation has been nerfed a hundred times over in the last decades. In Twice Dead Kings Orks were permakilling Necrons just by crimping them very hard.
>>98485803The Eldar are genuinely just fucked, their Guardians are the equivalent of a Guardsmen but they're outnumbered by Guardsmen a million to one, there's no way to stop their extinction at this point.
>>98485803Nobody is mentioning the eldar because the eldar are unmistakably superior in technology.
>>98485818>their Guardians are the equivalent of a Guardsmenthat's wrong, by the way
>>98485803All the eldar good shit like the psychometons or the genocide songs were destroyed during the fall or else captured by the Dark Eldar who can't use them and are only keeping them so the craftworlders can't use them either
>>98485803Deldar built a perfect copy of the Golden Throne that the Imperium can't even keep working (which is why they called the Deldar in the first place)Commoragh is literally illuminated by stolen sunsthey put black holes in boxes to send to their enemies
>>98485827>who can't use them and are only keeping them so the craftworlders can't use them eitherthat's also wrong
>>98485803Eh. Craftworld tech is basically just psychic powers, and the real advanced tech is in the hands of the Dark Eldar who use it mostly to fuck each others up.Generally when people talk about tech they talk about hard sciences, which is the reason for why Tyranids don't get mentioned too despite doing ridiculous shit.
>>98485814>dumbass humies build repulsor plates to make an air cushion to skate on and call it antigrav.>dis is propa antigrav *moves the fucking planet*I love orks.
>>98485826Well they're definitely not the equivalent of a Space Marine, and you need an Aspect Warrior just to match one of them.
>>98485834At this point the Golden Throne being broken is probably something that gets repeated by the Admech so they keep their cushy job maintaining it.
>>98485827>All the eldar good shit like the psychometons or the genocide songs were destroyed during the fall or else captured by the Dark Eldar who can't use them and are only keeping them so the craftworlders can't use them either
>>98485836I mean, They've got gimmick tools like the portable black holes that work but most of the good shit is psychically powered and vect banned psykers so what are they supposed to do?
>>98485836>who can't use themI mean the first part is more or less correct.>His impossibly wide grin grew wider. ‘Well, unless circumstances necessitate. Anyway, the nature of the problem was presented to us by the dancing fools, that you lacked a weapon of sufficient potency to incinerate the planet properly. My Lord Vect, in his infinite wisdom, proceeded directly to his grand armoury and produced this.’ Sarnak’s awful face disappeared, and a monolithic device, tall as a Revenant, took its place. Gems studded its sides at regular intervals, one of great size mounted on its summit. ‘Behold!’ he said pompously. ’The Fireheart. A device of the elder days, when our kind strode the Great Wheel as masters over all, and didn’t live such dreary, funless little lives on boring worldlets. It’s in the hold of my ship, waiting just for you. Aren’t we nice?’ He giggled. ‘I have seen such as this before,’ murmured Taec. ‘I also,’ said Kelmon. ‘It is a relic, powerful. Used by the planetshapers of distant arcs in the sculpting of star systems. It can collapse a dust field into a world in the course of passes, or the resonance it can create in an existing planet’s core will tear it apart in mere tenths of a cycle. I believe many were used in war.’ ‘Imaginative, those of the empire, wouldn’t you say?’ Sarnak’s grinning visage reappeared. He affected an air of sorrow. ‘Unfortunately, it is, like so much of our people’s inheritance, psychically activated, and the ban on the use of the abilities of the mind precludes we of the Eternal City ever using it. Of course, you, our most excellent cousins, have no such ban, and as I see, there are many of you here skilled in the arts of such sorceries. A foolish taunt to She Who Thirsts, but what would life be if we were all the same? Boring, I say. So bravo. You goad the Dark Prince. Well done you.’
>>98485854he's just like me fr
>>98485858banning psykers is not the same as being unable to operate psychoactive tools
>>98485785>>98485814its been a while since I’ve read it, but don’t they also do wacky shit with their teleportation technology? like the shokk attack gun uses the warp to transport snotlings on top of or (hopefully) inside enemies to telefrag them?
>>98485855I mean, thats nice and all but I was talking about shit like Isha's lament, an eldar psychic weapon that kills souls and could be deployed via space ship to wipe all intelligent life off of a planet while leaving the planet intact.Superweapon shit.
>>98485880Technically correct but most Dark Eldar are also psychically stunted because of their lifestyle, so they would need someone that has not been a dark eldar for long, which probably removes anybody that Vect can "trust". At that point it would be easier to just threaten a Corsair.
>>98485880most deldar have their psychic abilities atrophied
>>98485881Yeah. There is absolutely nothing the orks cannot figure out how to turn into a gun. Ork bubblechukkas are weaponised forcefields for example. Guns that fire unstable "bubbles" which have ruinous effects when they detonate.
>>98485818>Guardians are the equivalent of a Guardsmen
>>98485912kek
>>98485880It is when the guy who banned them is motherfucking Asdrubael Vect. Most dark eldar more afraid of him than they are of daemons.
>>98485912It is funny to me that the Tau are so inferior that all of their fancy targeting computers and supposedly accurate pulse rifles don't actually make them any better at hitting shit on the tabletop
>>98485926see >>98483920 >>98484764
>>98485926almost as if the tabletop is an abstraction
>>98485933Well no wonder they're getting their ass kicked
What should I name /mydudes/ chaos flagship?
>>98485912
>>98485926Next you are going to point out how a Catachan tanktop gives a 5+ save
>>98485950just pick your favourite song's title
>>98485950The Devil's Reachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4pYLrqygKU
>>98485950Slaanesh unlubed Dildo
>>98483448Character that gives a unit deep strike? t’isn’t one. Lots of deep strike epic heroes, but you gotta pair em to terminators or raptors.If you just mean a sick mounted model, there’s Lord Discordant on Helstaker, but it’s a lot bigger.
>>98485959>Be Tau>Trained from birth>Mind controlled into absolute obedience under a fascist state>Given armor that is supposedly carapace-tier, a targeting helmet, and a pulse rifle that's supposedly better than a lasgun>End up getting trounced by some plucky farmboys from Space Kansas cause you never bothered to learn to fight in melee and they had a shovel
>>98485986the buck breaker
>>98485959Flak weave, same way the Mordians got a 5+ in dress uniforms.It made more sense with the old AP system where flak armour was only meant to protect from shrapnel and most infantry scale guns completely ignored it.
chaos corrupted tau would be coolor at least give dark mech some scavenged battlesuit parts
>>98485993>reddit shovel meme
>>98485993>trounced>>98485787>trounced>>98485715>trounce>>98485614>trounces
>>98485993In fairness, Tau fire warrior armour IS carapace tier, their guns are also usually better than bolters. The Tau need all these advantages to make up for the fact that their bodies are garbage.In most sci fi settings humans are the ones who need to compensate for shit bodies with tech but in 40k thats the tau.
>>98486011damn, I didn’t even see that. seems like someone learnt a new word today.
>>98486008If it's stupid but it works, it ain't stupid.>https://www.youtube.com/shorts/LuzFFqdCDO8
>>98486018Fire warriors are not significantly different to humans, physically speaking. Whatever difference there is in targeting tech is not represented by rules because the game isn't a simulationist rpg one anymore.
>>98486008And where do you think they scraped the meme from, sport?
>>98486028If its stupid but it works then you got lucky.
>>98486046Humanity was born lucky, it's our superpower
>>98486028>but it worksIt doesn't, that's why it's a meme while the actual kit gives them a mace.Guardsmen are also all very much trained, and the tau do train for close quarter combat, including melee.Stop thinking memes are the actual fluff.
>>98486060You kidding? In-lore we have humans ripping apart battlesuits with their bare hands. Tau are paper-people.
>>98485993>supposedly better than a lasgunLasguns are s3ap0Hotshot lasguns are s3ap-1Boltguns are s4ap0Bolt rifles are s4ap-1Pulse rifles are s5ap0Pulse rifles are better than lasguns, and they have more range as well.
>>98486085They lack the armor piercing of both the hotshot lasgun and the bolt rifle so I'd say they're more of a sidegrade.
>>98486041Tau eyes can see more wavelengths of light than humans but their depth perception is worse and so is their ability to focus on objects because their pupils don't dilate. The "average" tau is also weaker than the "average" human. The fire cast have had millenia of eugenics and a lifetime of training behind them and they can just about manage to match your average guardsmen after six months of basic training.The Tau's sense of smell is a lot better than a humans tho.
>>98486060its honestly so dumb the shovel meme took off when you have actual dudes during ww1 wielding medieval maces. not only is it real and badass, its also peak 40K.
>>98486091You're just coping at this point.
>>98486106Strength matters a lot less than armor piercing.
>>98486109Not true at all
>>98486110Absolutely true. Strength is useful for nurgle units sure but think of how often you'll be playing against high armor units like Space Marines.
>>98486091They have 6" more table range which results in 3" more range for double attacks, since both lasguns and pulse rifles have rapid fire 1.That alone with the strength bonus makes them better than lasguns. Both have AP 0, it's not an argument.Comparing hotshot lasguns to regular pulse rifles isn't "fair" in the sense that you're now comparing elite guard against regular Tau.>>98486101I'm very glad that the GW sculptors for the plastic Krieg models went with trench clubs instead of shovels on the models. The actual model for it in the Engineer squad is pretty much just #4 (counting from the left) in that image.
>>98486091They're a sidegrade to the hotshot and bolter. They're better than regular lasguns.Well, better at killing. The lasgun is in use because its extremely easy to use, build and maintain which is very important when your worlds are as diverse as the imperiums.Every tau world has roughly the same level of technical development while some imperial worlds are still in the era of pike and shot. Or spear and shield, or fucking neolithic clubs and bows.The standard issue imperial weapon needs to be able to be used by any tom dick and harry to drop any tom dick and harry. The lasgun succeeds at this so the fact that its subpar at killing aliens is ok. Thats what the tanks are for.
>>98486128>in the sense that you're now comparing elite guard against regular Tau.Sounds like a skill issue on the Tau's part
>>98486128das rite. pure bludgeoning power sourced from history. another model maker W
>>98485281>Custodian Guard Sentinel Blade5/2+/6/-2/1>Incubi Klaive3/3+/5/-2/2>Flawless Blades Blissblade3/2+/6/-3/2
>>98486122The difference between wounding on a 5+ and wounding on a 3+ is bigger than the difference between a 3+ save and a 4+ save.Mathematically, pulse rifles are better than hotshot lasguns at killing space marines.
What makes humans so good at melee in 40k anyways? Was it genetic engineering over time?
>>98486160>so good at melee>posts the one unit that melts if you melee it
>>98486164tabletop is just a distraction please understand
>>98486177abstraction*
>>98486109Ok, and lasguns and pulse rifles are the same ap, so it's back to a strength debate.But if you would like to talk about ap, before 8th ed pulse rifles were ap 5, the same as boltguns, which would punch through flak armour, while lasguns were ap -.This was also the time when attacks didn't always wound on a 6, so having strength 5 mean you could wound a wraithknight at t8, or glance a rhino to death, while the humble lasgun could not.
>>98486164Wdym? Guardsmen, especially Cadians, are pretty good at melee, enough to go toe-to-toe with Khornate daemons and Tyranids in the lore.
>>98486160nothing, they're not particularly good, they're a baseline
>>98486188>in the loreLOL
So are armored sentinels good at anything? Are scout sentinels worthwhile without artillery?I'm interested in doing a riders army with lots of tank support with infantry but I'm curious if sentinels would help at all.
>>98486188All power-level-obsessed huemonkeys like you should kill yourselves.
>le grimdank/discord raid pretending to be clueless HFYfag to annoy 4chan chudscringe
Why is it always guard?
>>98486202this place is not even worth raiding at this point lmao
>>98486188>>98486208there’s a 90% chance these are the same poster btw
>>98486197>are armored sentinels good at anythingYea, a 65 point lascannon that can reroll all wounds against anything you want to use a lascannon onAnd they're another free HK Missile>scout sentinels worthwhile without artilleryYea, they pair very well with HWS and recon squads for area denial and forcing your enemy to go into your desired "kill funnels," and that's before considering the Daring Recon ability that lets you reroll ANY hit roll of 1 if your scout walker hit that target first. Daring Recon goes rather well with any of the primary weapons.And they're another free HK missileSentinels are one of the very good things in the current guard roster that you should always consider as a potential addition.
>>98486215>uh oh I made a retarded post and immediately got shit on for it time to pretend to be a new poster and call it a falseflag
>>98486208outdated version
>>98486213FUCK YOU TRYING TO DENY ITMY PILE OF SCRAP IS WORTH ZILLIONS AND DERE TRYING TO TAKE IT GET THESE FUCKING RAIDING HFYFAGS OFF MY BOARD
The dont understand the things I say on the noosphere
I finally painted all my infantry! I just have my vehicles and commanders left now.
>>98486229that’s a really retarded line of reasoning. now I’m thinking its a 100% chance
>>98486248100% chance of you panicking and trying to label your own meltdown as falseflagging
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>>98486261sorry dog, not one guard player would think that guardsmen can face khornate daemons one on one, much of the appeal of guard is strength in numbers, superior range, and armor, so having them be able to take on daemons defeats it. it might just be a general troll post you fell for, but your straight retarded if you think its genuine.
>>98486223Thanks, man. I'm still plenty new so I don't have a lot of practical experience enough to judge these units. And with edition changes recently, getting correct information over units is a bit haphazard. >Armored SentThe usual response I see here is that it's more effective to have another battle line here instead. More firepower compared to the armored sent's one weapon. Though I suppose the point of armored sents should be to utilize their demise ability and strong armor and serve as a rushing disruptor, correct? If so, it seems to properly not be the route to go when my calvary would do the same thing. >ScoutsThis is good advice, I just focused on the indirect fire aspect of this. So these are front line spotters. I like this. I will have to see if I can work it in but I do like it a lot. Wanting to use those horses and mechs and it's hard to balanceThanks bro
>>98486293Every game I've played as guard since 9th edition has been against enemies who are banking on me not having enough anti-armor weapons and not positioning properly so they can deepstrike terminators (or an equivalent) onto my squishy infantry. Armored Sentinels are one such anti-armor weapon, and work as a great screen against deepstrike.>rushing disruptorI use them as bait to lure my enemies into walking into heavy weapon squad sightlines. The additional lascannon on the sentinel is just insurance that the other guy's shit actually dies.Scout Sentinels are much more useful than Armored Sentinels for total army damage output due to their ability, but armored ones can still do good work in the mental game against your opponent by forcing his hand and giving you advantageous engagements. A t8w7 vehicle with 8" of movement and a save on 2+ is a big motivator for the enemy to try to take it down, which lets it be excellent bait for him to overextend.
