What's a pile in move? I thought if you charge with a unit, all the models in that unit are now touching bases with the enemy unit?

>>98486256
Read the fucking rules you mong.

>>98486256
>Look at Consolidation
>It either let's me move around the enemy unit or go directly to another unit within 3 inches
So it's basically just free movement.

>>98486256
https://gdmissions.app/11th/rules

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>whip that moves on its own doesn't have extra attacks
>whip that's two and a half times as long as its wielder is tall has no reach
Never gonna make sense.

>>98486251
boring
marines
marines
I lieg orgs %^}
(you)
(you)

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>Chaos's victory condition was capturing Cadia, now that they've captured it they've proven themselves to be a serious threat
>The Ork's victory condition is capturing Armageddon, if they take it, they'll prove they're capable of defeating tens of thousands of Space Marines in battle and will have a staging point to launch invasions of the Sol system
>The Eldar's victory condition is getting Ynnead to kill Slaanesh, and would likely mean a reversal of their fortunes that stops their decline
>The Tau's victory condition is taking Maccrage, it's the only planet in the entire region that the Imperium remotely gives a shit about and Guilliman would pour disproportionate resources into defending it, taking Maccrage would thus mark the end of the Imperium treating the Tau as a non-threat to ignore

>>98486285
engagement range is 2" now how much extra reach do you want?

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Let Chaos Idols take this thread!

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How many Arbites do you own?
/v/ and /vg/ are convinced GW did some massive Arbites push and forced all devs to add Arbites to their games alongside model releases since GW really wanted to sell them.

>>98486306
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>Wanna get a flier unit as they look cool and fun
>Apparently they all fucking suck on the table
So how do you use them?

Kroot blowjobs, worth the risk?

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Well, that's it for the time being. Undoubtedly there will be maybe 2 more releases sneaking in over the course of the edition, but otherwise this is it for the Ork refresh. I think it's fair to call it a win, though one or two sore points for me, the most recent being the Nobs - what I'm seeing is pointing to a far less modular and interesting kit than what it's replacing. It really seems to be literally just 5 torsos built the same way every time (previous kit had modular chests and shoulder pads), and then your choice between two loadouts - plain old choppa and kustom shoota, or the "snazzy" version of a big choppa, or double klaws, or whatever - shoulder pads *may* change between loadouts, see the double kustom shoota guy vs. his generic build, shoulder pads change there, but not for double klaw vs. generic build.

Another one being that we just didn't get any particularly exciting new toys? I don't need the range to bloat, don't get me wrong, but man I just want us to either get a real heavy duty tank or even a medium duty one.

>>98486285
>lucius the eternal
>retard's only gimmick is he revives when killed
>no revival mechanic
>kharn the kharntrayer
>no revival gimmick whatsoever
>has revival mechanic
world eaters on top like always

>>98486285
>Warrior prime literally born 20 minutes ago is better with a whip than the dude nolifing his for the past 10,000 years
Embarrassing

>>98486251
>TQ(s)
Nobs look goofy, bikes look great
Eldar
Eldar
I am quite fond of green fellas
Perturabo maybe
no idea maybe he doesnt like orks

>>98486317
You play 6th or 7th edition

>>98486306
>/v/ being wrong about everything once again
Besides kill team arbites can only be taken in imperial agents army, which is already a low player count.
Arbites have always just been a cool thing from the fluff because they're 40k judge's, of course a game company is gonna use it if it's cool.

>>98486296
Abbadon threw a hissy fit and blew it up when he realized he COULDNT take it And thrnthen lead a crusade so utterly embarrassing GW had to retcon how long it lasted

>>98486306
Oh yeah the massive push that was a single kit 3 for Kill Team 3 years ago.

>>98486297
8" with sustained hits 2 is only fair.

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>>98486327
The superior Lucius.

>psychic levels
>fatty's schedule was tau/custard/deldar after sm
>aka non psychic unless golden fags developed some now which would likely make them level 4 because custard
>every army that actually had means to interact with PsyPhase would have to wait over a year while orks and sm mow them down

>>98486306
It's a conspiracy because both Darktide and RT released Arbiters DLC at the same time (well, 1 day apart) and both were shit which led people to think it was GW meddling.

>>98486357
>DT arbites
>shit
literally the easiest most braindead class in the game, retards can solo auric maelstroms with arbites

>>98486357
>both were shit
fuck that slander. I love playing darktide as arbites.

>>98486352
while zenos is kino saying X is the superior lucius is free, he's the absolute worst

>>98486285
They’re giving everyone and their mother extra attacks now. I bet he gets em in the 11th codex.

>>98486356
You are assuming that psychic armies will suffer against Orks and Marines because they will have better psychic mechanics.

That's wrong.

Every army will suffer against every new codex because the new codex are going to be so overtuned 9th edition will look like it didn't have powercreep.

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>>98486320
>New 40k video game releases
>The 4 factions included are the Space Marines, Imperial Guard, Mechanicus, and Chaos Space Marines
How would you feel?

>>98486281
So pile in basically means just get your models in a unit as close to 2 inches as possible to the enemy unit? And I'm assuming if one of them cannot reach those 2 inches, they can't melee but the others within 2 inches of the enemy unit can?

>>98486370
Every army is already suffering against orks.

>>98486371
Dark King is slop.

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>>98486360
>easiest most braindead class in the game … retards can solo auric maelstroms with arbites
>>98486362
>I love playing arbites :D

>>98486377
Have you even looked at their new datasheet? That's nothing compared to how much they are going to suffer in a month

>>98486379
The Dark King shit always did feel pretty grimderp, "Ooooooh the Emperor is evil ooooh the Imperium is baaaad ooooooh so spooky"

>>98486331
You can ally them into any imperium army, but all the imperium armies besides Knights have important army rules they don’t get. And I’d rather just have more armigers or an assassin than shartbites.

>>98486306
You’re genuinely better of asking in the side game thread to see if people use them in necromunda

>>98486387
retard

>>98486384
Maybe. Right now orks can have extra leaders in units which is pretty broken, have to assume that's going away. If they get points rises for their new elite boyz they might calm down a bit.

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>>98486306
true, there’s been a weird push for arbites even in the ork range. look at this orkbites just revealed today.

>>98486399
Did they have leaders with those faux-support rules that weren’t made into supports or something in the mfm? Kinda gay but should be fixed in the new codex sheets.

>look at 10th edition rules
>wow looks like dogshit, skip edition
>look at 11th edition rules
>wow looks like dogshit, but they keep saying it's better
>play it
>It's dogshit
By skipping the edition I don't have the reference frame for 11th being an improvement to anything, so there's really no reason for me to play it. I guess that means I just don't play 40k anymore.

Why the hell have they made the manufactorum an online only website? I used to print the list and it was easy to do thanks to it being a single page... Now you can't easily download it let alone print it.
They call it "restructuring" yet it only brings downsides.

Is there a reason why some KT never gets added in the main game while others are almost instantly added in?

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Playing 2000p of IW tomorrow against GK, my first game in 11th. Wish me luck

>>98486399
You aren't seeing the writing on the wall. Even if Ork boyz end up costing 200 points for 10 and they become shit, something else will be broken as hell. When GW starts giving every unit a dozen "cool" special rules the game turns to shit extremely fast, and this happened literally every time.

>>98486410
okay

>>98486414
What KT are not in 40k?

>>98486410
>i guess that means im nogames
yeah we know mate

>>98486414
Which one do you mean? Sometimes they’re just made up of models from units that already exist, but I think all the KT’s with unique models get added to 40K.

>>98486421
Did you know that some people have armies for more than one game?

I finally saw a good deal on ebay for slightly painted units wish me luck

>>98486430
fuck off to that games general then and stop stinking up this one

>>98486430
But that's against the law of console wars.

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>>98486393
He's right. Dark King is just a bad attempt at "grimdark" and it just comes off as pompous and retarded grimderp.
Doesn't help that Dark King has basically never been mentioned to even exist in the setting before it first introduced in End and the Death. And even in that book it might as well be irrelevant filler shit that doesn't need to exist because the entire "problem" gets solved in like 1-2 pages probably even in less time.

It's
>dumb
>never was set up
>never mentioned before
>pointless filler
>bad attempt at "grimdark" and instantly falls flat
>a non-issue that gets solved in the story just as fast it was introduced
It's like how Erda's character is fucking useless and pointless in Saturnine. She's walking, talking plot device whose only reason to exist is to vomit up inorganic exposition in form of her shitty backstory to Grammaticus (why is she even telling him all of it?), who is only visiting her because Gram thinks she might know a way to get inside the Palace (news flash: she doesn't, so visiting her was fucking pointless)

Both Saturnine and End and the Death 1-3 were all written by Abnett. So his shitty, pointless exposition that does nothing just is his style.
I don't understand how people see this guy as "peak" of 40k literature. If Abnett is the peak, then I fucking dread as to what rest, shittier writers, are like.

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Outside of aesthetics, why play Chaos Marines over Loyalists? What do they have that is better than something the Loyalists get? Or nothing they have is better, which is why they're bitter.

>>98486375
>Reading Eldar rules
>Reading Sudden Strike
>Each time a model in this unit makes a pile in or consolidation move, it can move up to 6 inches instead of 3
I don't see how this would affect Pile In over Consolidation as you can move to a new unit entirely.

>>98486410
Or you could play an older edition you know. Or the thought of not doing what GW wants upset you?

>>98486443
>Outside of aesthetics
This is not the game for that.

>>98486414
They literally just added the Exodites for Aeldari

>>98486443
>Outside of aesthetics, why play Chaos Marines over Loyalists?
They are normies who want to play as the 40k's posterboy faction (space marines), but don't have the balls to just play as loyalist marines, so they go for the "good guy army but evil" thinking they are contrarians and "free thinkers".

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>>98486443
The Emperor is a bastard and his imperium sucks, it is only right it be destroyed

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>>98486251 (OP)
>What’s your least favorite faction?
The Votann. Genuinely wtf do they add to the setting? I don't even hate them, I just don't get the point of them.

>What faction do you hate most?
The Tau. I get the whole "fascist counterpart to the Imperium" thing they're going for, but it doesn't really work when they're such a joke. It's like, you can make the Nazis threatening, you or can make the Nazis goofy, you have to pick a lane. The Tau are too small and incompetent to be threatening but too malicious and cruel to be played off for comedy so it doesn't really work.

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>>98486443
Aesthetics is like 90% of why choose any army but sure:
You want to play the bad guys
Your local community is Imperium-heavy and choosing CSM offers a more narratively appropriate opponent
The idea of daemonic war machines and mutations is appealing
Dark Pacts and things like it are a fun mechanic
You are a buffoon who wanted to get into 40k with a lower model count army, not taking into account that each model demands twice or more as much time because of all the trim and bullshit, couldn't be me.

>>98486306
i thought that conspiracy was about admech

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Traitor guard/chaos cult tourist from a few threads ago; is this an okay list for my first game? My friend is probably gonna be running his world eaters as usual.

995 points chaos cult:
dark apostle with amulet of tainted vigour(65+20)
dark commune with incendiary goad(90+25)
20 cultist mob(90)
champ with bolt pistol
traitor guardsmen squad(70)
sarge with chainsword, boltgun
1 grenade launcher, 1 sniper, 1 plasma
traitor guard
power weapon, boltgun on sarge
1 flamer, 1 gl, 1 plasma
another guard squad
power weapon, pistol
flamer, melta, plasma
2 16 model units of accursed cultists(195 each)
fellgor beastmen(60)
champ with plasma pistol
1 with great weapon, 1 with corrupt stave
3 nurglings(45)

>>98486443
Loyalist marines have the ability to do individual things better than them but they get split up into mutually exclusive codex supplements. Black Templars have better melee, Blood Angels have better assault, Salamanders have better shooting, but CSM is like a jack of all trades, master of none of each of the chapter supplements.

>>98486443
I could tell you, but then that one guy would start seething

>>98486454
Emperor was right about everything and did nothing wrong.

>>98486306
R BEE TAYS

>>98486488
sneedperor did everything wrong and ruined humanity

>>98486497
The Emperor was an enlightened centrist trying to fight against the evils of fascism, he did nothing wrong.

>>98486467
I’d only run double-wide accursed cultists if you have a dark commune with em for that one turn advance and charge to make sure you get them in. I can’t tell what you’re attaching the second one too, guessing dark apostle? You could be fine making them a small unit. And try to hide as you move em up. This’d free up some points for at least one traitor enforcer for a guard unit, and maybe a beast of Nurgle to go with your nurglings

I'm working on a Vyper and trying to decide how I want to approach doing the hull. Like what kind of pattern or whatever I'm going to do. Show me your Vypers!

>>98486441
>Doesn't help that Dark King has basically never been mentioned to even exist in the setting before it first introduced in End and the Death.
The Dark King was introduced in Horus Rising, dumbass. The concept is more than 20 years old. Older than you are, probably.
>(why is she even telling him all of it?)
Because he asked.
>(news flash: she doesn't, so visiting her was fucking pointless)
It actually wasn't. Erda sends Leetu with John to help him save Earth (and by extension, humanity). I'm starting to think you haven't read any of these books.
>Both Saturnine and End and the Death 1-3 were all written by Abnett. So his shitty, pointless exposition that does nothing just is his style.
The Dark King plot was built up from Horus Rising and finally resolved in TEatD Part 2. That's what all his exposition since back then was for, to finally reveal that the Dark King was the Emperor all along, and then resolve that plot thread.
>I don't understand how people see this guy as "peak" of 40k literature. If Abnett is the peak, then I fucking dread as to what rest, shittier writers, are like.
Yes. The others really are that bad.

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There's literally nothing Chaos Marines have that is on a per model or per point basis better than Loyalists, especially not after the Defiler was nerfed into the ground. But, they do look cool as fuck and looking cool as fuck is half the battle.

>>98486467
That list is nearly all "chaff" units
You need some bigger "damage dealer" units, preferably ones that also have more staying power than spamming t4 infantry. One blast weapon attack placed right could wipe 1/4 of your army as-is.
A loyalist guard roster has tanks for the role I'm describing, something like that.

>>98486387
>"Ooooooh the Emperor is evil ooooh the Imperium is baaaad ooooooh so spooky"
That's always been the case. People are just pissed that they can no longer pretend otherwise.

>>98486524
If the Imperium is evil then it is the lesser of all evils presented to us.

>>98486497
Emperor was justified in everything he did.
Kill gods. Behead gods. Roundhouse kick a god into the rockcrete. Slam dunk a god baby into the trashcan.

>>98486517
Legionaries shit all over tacs/intercessors iirc just in terms of variety and damage output for the cost.

>>98486513
>The concept is more than 20 years old.
Wow, that doesn't make Dark King any less retarded and dogshit however.
It being old as fuck and being forgotten for 20 years is a proof of the fact it was fucking awful from the begining.

>>98486548
>become the same type of god you were (supposedly) fighting against
what did he mean by this?

>What did you think of the new ork reveal?
Big fan, can't decide on if i prefer the dual wield shootas or big skorcha.

>>98486443
Their actually fun to play unlike marines, you can put a list tougher and 90% of the time it just works with that 10% being weird janky skew lists.

>>98486528
>then it is the lesser of all evils presented to us.
The entire point of the Imperium is that it didn't have to be as wretched as it is, but the systematic fuckups of everyone involved from an early age led to what it is now. We know what a 'less evil' Imperium looks like, it was the Great Crusade Imperium, which while still autocratic and feudalistic, and still forcing everyone that wasn't in a position of power to work bone-crushing labor shifts, was at least functional and gradually improving over time. The Mechanicum was becoming more open-minded to technological progress thanks to the Emperor's meddling, the Administratum and Senate were still competent with Malcador overseeing the bureaucracy, the military forces weren't fractured to avoid rebellion and it was still expanding rapidly throughout the galaxy. It was far from perfect, but it had a real chance of becoming a true utopia. Horus ruined everything, and even after the Heresy, it has only gotten worse and worse. So no, it is not the lesser of all evils, it's not even close to that. The only dimension in which Imperial life is superior to the alternatives is in survival. That's all the Imperium is good for now.

>>98486513
>The Dark King was introduced in Horus Rising
it was introduced in 1992 actually

>>98486559
>The only dimension in which Imperial life is superior to the alternatives is in survival
That's not true, there's like 3 other worse options that are even more cruel than the Imperium.

>>98486556
>Wow, that doesn't make Dark King any less retarded and dogshit however.
Sure. You can disagree with the concept, that's fine.
>It being old as fuck and being forgotten for 20 years is a proof of the fact it was fucking awful from the begining.
People were theorizing about the prophecy told in Horus Rising and who might the Dark King be for a long, long time.

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I like orks :D
>been daydreaming for years about having an orky villar perosa for italian fascist goffs
>this gets revealed today
absolutely perfect.

>>98486585
XD ECKS DEE XDXD :DD

>>98486578
And theorizing doesn't the fact that the the whole idea was forgotten and ignored for 20 years, for a good reason, because it fucking sucked.
Like it has been proven back then and proven again since End and the Death, it's slop, it's unfettered ass in quality and it makes the story and book worse because it only exists to waste the time of the reader that gets solved in 1-2 pages. The gravest fucking sin any writer could do.
Don't try to defend shittily written garbage.

>>98486504
yeah maybe I shouldve specified; both the commune and apostle go on the accursed. And from what Ive read and looked up accursed cultists are like the strongest units this detachment can play? So I thought I should have as much of them as possible. Combined with the enchancments and stratagems they can actually punch up tougher stuff, but yea Im fucked if they die.I was thinking of using an enforcer or 2 but they seem kinda bad and not worth the points idk. Definetly wanted a beast of nurgle but Im kinda starved for points, maybe I could ditch the mob or the beastmen(I pick em for the flavour)
>>98486518
I was under the impression chaff is how chaos cult is played. And for the blast issue I think the play is to shift the dmg from your accursed to your shitty mobs or guardsmen with the mortal thralls stratagem. And again; I would rather shower with napalm than play a normal guard army.

Im mostly iffy on the guardsmen weapon selection but it probably doesnt matter. I could make 1 accursed smaller and ditch the beastmen or squad, make 1 or 2 smaller mobs(2 10model mobs cost 10 more than 1 big one) and put some actual meat and damage but I rly dont wanna use marines for this list, maybe a tank or hero unit depending on the points

>>98486552
Two powerfisfs, two chainswords, and a lascannon for 90pts. Still unmatched value man. Plus you can stick a sorcerer on them and throw em in terrain, welcome to the cage match, because you’re gonna have to go in there to clear em off.

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>>98486556
>>98486513
EIGHT POINTS
EIGHT SKELETAL HANDS COMING TO CRUSH THE GOLDEN LIGHT
EIGHT RUINOUS POWERS
IN THE EYE OF TERROR WHERE THE TRAITORS LIE

>>98486620
Yeah AC is the best imo, but you can really make em zoom with a dark commune between the advance and charge and the desperate pact from the detach rule. I’d just retool it to have 2 AC/DC bricks as the core.
>I was thinking of using an enforcer or 2 but they seem kinda bad and not worth the points idk.
They used to be cheap, but what happened is people were running them solo, sticking 2 of them in a noise marine rhino with Cypher as a little jump out gang, and they were so hard to kill for their point cost so they pumped it up in 11th. Only way to fix it now is if they gave us a traitor command squad and made the enforcer and ogryn a support duo. That way they could be cheap again.

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I think I understand Pile In a little bit:
>Say I have Howling Banshees attacking a Rhino
>But nearby one of my Howling Banshees is a Chaos Marine
>If it's within 3 inches AND my Banshee is in coherency with the other Banshees in the unit, I can both melee the Rhino with my other Banshees and my 1 Banshee that's facing the Chaos Marine can attack the Marine instead of the Rhino
Did I understand that right? Where I can basically attack 2 enemy units with 1 unit as long as they're both within engagement range and in coherency?

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Played a game against my guard friend today, 2k points combined arms + abhuman detail vs Creations of bile. Over all felt like very middling as far as a dice roles went but I enjoy hanging out with the guy so it evened out. I’m kinda starting understand why guard players have been bitching the past month because I don’t think I’ve had a game against guard where I was able to continue just pushing up the board practically unchallenged.

On a side note defilers even post nerfs feel good to run but not absurdly broken like previous, not quite an auto take anymore but close.
Ended 75 - 49 my favour, I felt quite bad about this one as guard is my friends main army and he seemed quite dejected about it.

>>98486447
Honest answer: The value that 40k has had to me in the past is that you can show up to the game store for pickup games with whoever else shows up because it is the most played game, it requiring any prior arrangement completely invalidates that value. In practice since I skipped 10th edition I don't really do that anymore, and most of my wargaming is done by loose prior arrangement with the same group of people "I reserved a table for battletech at [Xstore] on [Yday], you coming?" or "We doing horus heresy on [Xday] at [Ystore]" etc, or are part of some kind of campaign system or league or whatever where everyone knows what they are doing and when. I almost certainly could arrange to play some older edition if I wanted to, but I don't really have enough preference for 40k in particular to do that over just playing something else.

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Dark Eldar refresh is coming. I can feel it.

>>98486654
Damn iron warriors with actual effort put in to them? Nice anon.

>>98486653
Yes. And if you have a second banshee unit that didn’t get to fight before the rhino and marine died, they can get in engagement with something else during the overrun move (which is like pile in #2,) and get a fight phase with that now.

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is the lack of any movement in the narrative cowardice, laziness, prudence or incompetence?

>>98486664
It sounds like you grew out of it.

>>98486675
So if a unit dies from another charge, but the first guys I charged with didn't get to fight, I essentially get to move an extra 3 inches closer to the enemy to make up for it?

>>98486620
Any "chaff" army is built around a few big damage dealers among the horde while the horde units eat up enemy hits, give chip damage to all enemy units and slowly work forward for objectives/screening. Your traitor guard are still squishy and have no way to avoid enemy fire beyond either "just don't be the target" or "be out of range."
If your opponent has a Forgefiend, that's your entire horde gone in 1-2 attacks. Same goes for any unit of his with "torrent" weapons (flamers, etc).
You would struggle to kill that Forgefiend in response to it wiping your cultists; it's t10w12, your strongest weapon is s9ap-2 (guard grenade launchers) and you only have 2 of them (but they have very little staying power because they're in infantry units).
You should at the very least invest in a dedicated anti-vehicle/monster unit.

>>98486651
>I’d just retool it to have 2 AC/DC bricks as the core
Id really want to, but then I dunno what to do with the apostle since only he can use the amulet of tainted valour, which seems too good not to use with AC. Being limited to only 2 AC and 2 enhancements in 1k really limits my choices imo

>>98486699
Yes. So if you’re using an infantry chaff unit to prevent an important unit behind them from being charged, make sure that screen is spaced tight enough for models to be forced into base contact with them, unable to move through, and make sure the screen is more than 3 inches forward.

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How can I make this landraider more Nurgly. I don't have chaos landraider parts but I have a lot of emblems and doodads. Maybe drill little pits and craters?

>>98486693
Genuine question.
Do you just spend all day on reddit looking at shit memes to get angry about, just to have a meltdown about primarchs on 4chins.

>>98486714
Get a hot glue gun and give it pimples/boils, some solo, some clustered, then come up with some sort of transition from armor plating to flesh around them. Either abrupt and geometrical like cutting broken away armor with flesh underneath or just a shimmery glaze transition like the plate is phasing into skin.
You could also get some polystyrene tubes and make some pipes.

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>>98486443
I like to play evil dudes that worship dark gods.
Also, man, I FUCKING LOVE THE RANGE. It's the best.
I love every single thing on it, from the lowly cultist to the Daemon Prince. My only crux is I don't know how to fit a Dark Apostle into a Tzeentch-only warband because that would be retarded.
We need more Dark Mechanicum dudes tho
And updated vehicles.
And a new Helbrute with fucking knees.
And more named characters from the Traitor Legions. I really want to see Erebus and Kor Phaeron nowadays.
And Lorgar.
And Perturabo, I wish they had given the Forge of Souls to him instead of Vashtorr, would have made is ascencion to Princehood make more sense. Actually, I don't like Vashtorr. Nor do I like really like this >>98486650 Eight/Nine Gods thing, or more like, they did it like shit by making half of them some version of Tzeentch, and I don't really think Daemon Engines should be THAT important in the grand scheme of things. I love them as a means to an end, aka fuckign with the meturiums' non-living shit to fuck with the living shit, but I fail to see how they are worth a piece of the whole pie.

>>98486559
Name a single faction better than the Imperium.

>>98486708
That sounds different from what I described though? How does Overrun Fight trigger here? I thought this happens only in the Charge phase and only if the one getting charged gets killed before the fight phase.

>>98486743
CWE
tau

>>98486627
I like to slap a dark apostle on a brick of 10 melee legionaries. They can punch so far above their weight class with the apostle and pacts that it's actually ridiculous.

>>98486746
CWE Eldar would gladly leave humanity to die if it meant they got to survive

Tau are just straight up fascists

>>98486745
No, overrun fight happens in the fight phase, it’s specifically a way to fight that involves you getting another pile in on that unit only. It’s not like another pile in step where you repile everything.

>>98486749
retard or bait

>>98486754
If the Eldar got their way, like 99% of the universes's population, save for themselves, would die. If the Tau got their way, the galaxy would be enslaved under their totalitarian state and subjugated to the state's will.

>>98486705
I think you are underestimating ACs with commune/apostle and the stratagems/enhancments the detachment has. From my understanding and the mathhammer examples I saw they rly can punch up, if they have to. I dont know how they would fare against a forgefiend but trying to tickle him with the guardsmen probably would never be the play. If he actually uses his turn to kill my 20-40 model blob of fodder thats a minus on his action economy while I got do obj-s and take over the map. Atleast thats how Ive seen it being played out in the miniscule amount of games I could find with this detachment.
But fair: what would be an anti vehicle/monster unit I could pull thats not a marine?

>>98486754
He's baiting
He's been posting this same shit hours a day every day for a week now

>>98486753
Okay so basically:
>Charge enemy unit with 2 units
>Fight Phase activates
>One of my units I charged with kills the entire enemy unit
>The other unit I charged with never got to fight so Overrun Fight activates and I move an extra 3 inches towards another enemy unit with the ones that never fought
>Combined with Sudden Strike when playing Eldar, I essentially get an extra move phase

>>98486747
That sounds pretty good, I’ve never ran 10 legionaries though, only used em as 5-mans, what do you do for the second power weapon slot just run plasma pistol and chainsword for more melee?

>>98486780
Usually more chainswords and plasma pistols, yeah.

>>98486739
>nine
There's only one
The Unspeakable One.

tau are gay

>>98486810
Fascists often are

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>>98486251
Forty-kay? More like, for-the-gays!

>>98486693
40k is a setting not a narrative.

>>98486764
>while I got do obj-s and take over the map
You only retain map control for as long as you have units, and you're also forgetting his own infantry doing the same thing. If you take an OBJ and then lose the unit, he gets that obj next turn if he can step on it.
>anti vehicle/monster unit I could pull thats not a marine?
Your own Forgefiend is the only thing that REALLY meets that request.
CSM is built around using Predators, Vindicators, Obliterators and so on. The list just isn't built to actually do what you want it to right now.

>>98486693
If the story changes too much it might impact the game, which is the thing all that stuff is in service to.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8P9GIHq4UeU

>>98486693
It's a sign that you don't belong here.

Should I always replace the Heavy Weapon Platforms in an Eldar Defebder unit with the other Platforms? Or should I have multiple Platforms by themselves?

>>98486326
I do agree the new nobz seem to be the weakest kit of the bunch, it seems like the let the KT team design it from the ground up instead of the 40k team then letting kill team add some stuff .
Also I would put the new Warboss kit at S tier soooo many options and finally a Blood Axes style head.

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>>98486251
Stats for Rangda macrobeests?
I'm thinking:
10"
T16
SV 2+W100
LD6+
OC30

Attacks with paws [Melee]
A6
WS 4+
S12
AP-2
D4

>>98486414
Yes, sometimes for example the new Raptors for chaos are a core unit and thus at 6 months ish get added from KT to 40k. The actual cycle is supposed to be 2-3 years when KT editions cycle. So everything will eventually make it into a 40k box but unless its a core unit it will be a long time. Like those exodites will probably take the full 3 years.

>>98486517
Except for Legionaries you are correct. Our predators even got nerfed compared to loyalists. And NOOOOO loyalist army would dare ever take a predator, but in tenth it was common to see 3 in GT winning lists when SM wouldnt be caught dead with 1.

>>98486443
You play chaos for the Drip. If it wasnt for aesthetics there is no other reason you would play an army GW keeps in constant suffering.

I LIKE GSC

>>98486864
Yeah me too. They're a good modern infantry tactics feel

>>98486822
bro its chaos cult; flooding the board and not letting him move and make him waste time is what I want it to do, not to go into meathead fights. Like ffs does every army have to be played the same? Saying you need a forgefiend to win against a forgefiend sounds retarded at best

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Is there any Space Marine head that resembles a barbute helmet?

>>98486890
berzerkers have one

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>>98486890

>>98486871
someone needs to come paint my army though, this is going to take forever

>>98486875
None of that is what I said
What I said is that "flooding the board and not letting him move" is only possible if your units don't get folded over every time they get attacked. Currently, your roster lacks a way to not get folded over every turn by blast/torrent weapons, or at the very least, lacks a way to keep that fodder on the table via killing/distracting the things that'd kill said fodder.

>Saying you need a forgefiend to win against a forgefiend sounds retarded at best
I'm not the one saying that, you are because you refuse to use any "Space Marine" part of the Chaos SPACE MARINE roster. That roster is reasonably (as per the name and total roster) intended by GW to include said Space Marines. You set the arbitrary limitation to not use them, the only person who is making it sound "retarded" is you trying to turn an apple into an orange so you can play traitor guard in a way that the game is just not meant to do as-of right now.

>>98486251
When is this smug cunt finally gonna get a model in 40k. I want him for my Word Bearers army.

>>98486921
yeah righto ratfag thanks for letting us know

>>98486387
The Dark King is GW beating you over the head with the understanding that daemon bullshit is literally "the secret" style manifesting. Daemons are storybook monsters who work on storybook logic and try to force their autistic fanfic on reality.

They tried to meme the Emperor into becoming the fifth chaos god, then when that didn't work they tried to meme Horus' dark imperium into reality but that didn't work either.

Fabius Bile is right about everything. Stop fucking listening to daemons.

>>98486371
That's fucking cringe, 40k should never have a release without Xenos.

>>98486693
>lack of any movement in the narrative
It's not a narrative it's a sandbox

>>98486443
Chaos is fun dude. Despite GW's best efforts to take chaos seriously they're just a bunch of mustache twirling villains and thats fun.

Thats why the Word Bearers and Night Lords are the best legions. They're just unappologetic bastards and proud of it.

>>98486664
>battletech at [Xstore]
At Vault, right?

>>98486513
>Yes. The others really are that bad.
Peter Fehervari shits all over the majority of the trash. Christ Wraight is also far better.

>>98486964
Xenos unfortunately don't really matter to the setting.

>>98486997
Said no one who matters, ever.

>>98486650
I don't know why they made the Emperor a god of encroaching ruin when they could have made him the god of self dissolution instead. The god trying to use chaos against itself which is exactly what he did when he made the primarchs.

I feel like it would fit better.

>>98487010
Nulore ignore, the Emperor isn't Chaos at all.

>>98487013
it's lore from 1992 retard-kun

>>98487013
Bro The emperor has been turning into a monster for an extremely long time.

>>98487008
TRVKE
Imperium ball-polishers are largely worthless beyond their spending habits.

>>98487017
No it is not.

>>98487027
literally in the 1993 and 1997 supplements, look it up.

>>98487027
dark king and the starchild are in articles from 92, retard

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>>98487037
>literally in the 1993 and 1997 supplements
Gee anon moving goalposts already? What happened to 1992? But okay why don't you tell me exactly which of these documents says the Emperor is corrupted by Chaos?

WHO HERE JUST?

>>98486985
No. I don't know where that is.

>>98487047
Yeah, which articles?

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We should get Chaos Eldar
>BUT WHAT ABO-
Shut the fuck up retard it would be cool and it does exist in the lore despite your headcanon. Eldar who have pledged themselves to other forces of chaos to avoid slaanesh turborape? Yeah it would be kino

>>98487063
Doesn't giving their souls to other chaos gods stop them from reincarnating?

>>98487053
white dwarf 92 and 93 respectively

>>98487063
I actually agree but only if GW goes completely batshit crazy with their designs and makes them feel completely unique

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>>98487048
>>98487053
I'll accept your suicide now

>>98487069
Yeah those are in 1987 and do not say anything about the Emperor being Chaos corrupted because the Realms of Chaos books had not even been released yet. Nice try.

I HATE YOU LOREFAGS SO MUCH FUCKING REEEEE

>>98486650
There never was a plan behind the different points of the star, the only reason it even looks like that is because chaos is a massive Moorcock ripoff

>>98486956
Johnny Space dad was on the ships.
"No! I must kill the demons"
"No, John. You are the demons."
And then John was the demons.

>>98487078
absolutely BTFO
based

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>>98487078
Hey retard that's Realms of Chaos from 1990, why don't you get the date right and get a scan that isn't fucking shit, and also, point out to be exactly where on these pages it says anything about The Dark King. Those words do not appear. Not a single piece of it says anything about him being a Chaos God. He's the "embodiment of the uncorrupted warp" literally written right there on these pages. You are a lying illiterate faggot.

>>98487092
You should probably try reading the words first before making a fool of yourself declaring false victory, retard.

>>98487101
>i-it's the wrong year
irrelevant, desperate faggot
>t-the dark king
literally says he's not invulnerable to chaos, which is what you disputed
Keep coping

>>98487108
You said the Dark King lore is from 1992, you were wrong on every level, you lost. You didn't even read the pages you posted. The Star Child is a force of good and hope.

>>98487107
He was right, (you) lost

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>>98487063
Man, I wish Malal was a thing. Maybe not as the dumb anti-Chaos Chaos guy, but I could do with a lesser deity of Darkness, Fear and Misery.

>>98487113
Nice try retard but I actually read the pages. You both self-owned, posted your own destruction.

>>98487112
>loses
>starts crying semantics
and my personal favourite
>>98487118
>turns schizo

>>98487121
The pages literally say the opposite of what you claimed, this cope is pathetic. You lost and posted your own L.

And here we go, another lorefag argument that will last a thread or two

>>98487126
Doesn't, says he could be corrupted
You can keep coping all you want but (you) lost
No more free (you)s, I know desperate lorefaggots like you will shit up the entire general if you get attention after being humiliated like this

>>98487129
The arguments already over, that faggot who posted the bad scan just didn't read it and is now going to keep doing retarded coping shit like this >>98487121 indefinitely, but anyone else in the thread can just read the section about the Star Child and see that he raped himself.

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>>98487131
>uncorrupted form
>still hope for mankind
>words "Dark King" appear nowhere ever even once
You raped yourself, kek, Stuck your dick up your own ass.

>>98487129
It's always over the absolute dumbest shit nobody cares about, too.

>>98487140
NTAB you're both arguing two different things right now both trying to get a gotcha on the other one
Now shut the fuck up, nobody cares about lorefags

>>98487149
Lore is the only reason this IP still exists after half a dozen editions of pure dogshit gameplay and worsening art and miniatures

>>98487153
Ah you were both shitposting all along, who would've guessed!
Have fun spamming the thread down

>>98487129
I blame retarded Imperiumfags who can't get it through their lobotimized brains why some people prefer playing xenos or chaos. It never occurs to them other factions just look or sound cooler then Imperium shit to some people and if other options exist people will pick them.

>>98487149
>nobody cares about lorefags
Nta but lore is very important to warhammer 40k whether we want to admit or not.
The problem is how anons always state their observations or interpretations as factual without even sourcing where they got their info from. I think many don’t want to cite the YouTubers they listen to.
Even if the lore source is false it is still better than just “trust me or be lorelet” stuff.

I kind of wish people jokingly self signed their observations and interpretations of 40k lore as booty crust or their gaping anuses for crude humor to lighten things up.

I've heard the word lore so much that I've started hating it

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>>98487052
Everyone knows where that is, we're all QUEENSLANDERS at heart
>Bluhd Rahvens
>Word Bearers
>both fan favourites
>both maroon

Goku solos 40k easily

>>98487049
I always am all day everyday.
Right now my pc is broke so I can’t modify 28mm imperial guard stls for my 40k army.

>>98486304
Jewish

>>98487163
Sloptubers becoming the main source of lore for newfags has done irreversible damage to 40k lore discussions. It doesn't help that most of the lore sloptuber watchers keep repeating are from shorts that are made for retards with low attention spans.

>>98487186
have you tried going to computers?

>>98487186
Have you tried turning it off and on again?

>>98486559
>it didn't have to be as wretched as it is
It literally did though. It got to where it is because it aged out of its kumbayah phase after realizing that the galaxy is full of untrustworthy monsters that want to rape humanity to death. Sometimes literally.

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New minis just aren’t posable like they used to be. I mean look at how awesome and posable this old kit is. You could practically make infinite variations out of these things

>>98487198
(you)

>>98486761
>If the Eldar got their way, like 99% of the universes's population, save for themselves, would die
Eldar ruled the galaxy for 65 million years and were quite happy to let other civilizations do their thing. They didn’t even finish off the necrons.

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I hope this guy from newcromunda gets a solo release or I can find him secondhand for cheap. That helmet and autocannon arm are begging for an ork kitbash.

The rest of him can probably be used pretty easily too if mix n match my various leftover ork bits

>>98486749
The imperium would gladly drive humanity extinct if it meant killing 10 extra eldar or tau

>>98486528
It extremely explicitly isn't to the point that every single book of the setting opens with calling it the worst regime possible and the entire overriding narrative of the faction is about its sheer inefficiency, corruption and active stupidity making the place far worse than it needs to be.

>>98487221
And that's based as fuck and objectively the right thing to do

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>>98487198
intercessors for comparison.

I unironically believe in the supremacy of necrotheocratic feudal autocracy.

>>98487190
Yes.
>>98487193
Yes.

I just want to modify my 40k proxy stls for 3d printing warhammer 40k models.

Gonna send pc to a repair service nearby hopefully he is a good one. I’m not sure if praying to the fictional nonexistent machine god is more likely to fix my pc than asking for tech support on /g/.

Hold me anons.

>>98487243
Imagine being at computers

>a new toaster design? NOOO THATS HECKING HERESY!!!!
>XENOS TECH IS HERESY TOO!!! EVEN IF ITS VOTANN!!!!! SERVITORIZE THIS MAN!!!!
>necron research samples dont count ok? The machine spirits said it’s chill to goon to them o algo
Mechanicus are the biggest retards in the setting. I spit on mechanicus dogs.

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>>98487114
>deity of Darkness, Fear and Misery.
He's got that explicit cannibalism aspect that the other chaos gos don't (Slaaneshi and khorne fluff has some small bands eat people alive but its not apart of the 'standard' worshippers day to day activities).
I can see Malal as the minor chaos god of fear and misery being about inflicting the fear of being hunted and consumed by a more powerful predator and the misery of starving too death.

So Malals mortal worshippers are hunters and predators but are also as rabid, unpredictable and dangerous as a starving person so you get the culutral ideas of that kind of monster from within like the Wendigo/mournguls from fantasy or hungry ghosts from eastern folklore. Malals slaves are ambush predators who are absolutely desperate and kind of mad and instabile who spread hunger like a disease.

Man the sapien, reduced to Man the animal, the beast

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>>98487232
Yeah they don’t make em like they used to

>>98487248
Mechanicus regularly study tau and votann tech when they get their mechadendrites on it thoever

>>98487247
Yeah man. I got into this miniature painting hobby to get away from screens and now I spend time looking at tutorials and forums for advice and looking for a music playlist for my painting.

>>98487271
Woah so much variety of posing!!!!111!11!11!

Who here magnetizes minis for transport?
What magnets that are strong enough but not too powerful that they repel models away?
Should the magnets always be placed in the center under the mini’s base?

How are a series of stacked metal cake bake boxes that come with lids in a door dash delivery bag for a diy mini transport bag?

>>98487265
I think you went a little too hard on the cannibalism but it could certainly be an aspect of it. I think the TES Daedric Prince Namira could be a good inspiration for this not!Malal. Sithis would serve well too.

>>98487280
Yeah punishment for tech heresy is goyim only. Tech priests rules lawyer their religion harder than actual jews. And even then like half of them are hereteks so what’s the fucking point

>>98487271
I love how even in their display models they couldn't glue that dicktowel on the sergeant properly
piece of shit bit never fit right no matter what

are there any other cheap flying crap units similar to gargoyles in any army
looking for conversion pieces but apparently harpies aren't a thing anymore

>>98487291
No anon you can't talk ill of le old good new bad. Those models are superior by far since you get to choose between having your dude's torso at 14 degree rotation or 15 degrees, epic infinite posing variety!

>>98487299
its always funny seeing a dude have a self inflicted meltie. just an image of a tactical marine got you acting like this.

>>98487294
What are you looking convert? Dark Eldar scourges might be what you're looking for, otherwise check out if there's anything in the fantasy range.

>>98487305
Do you mean the melty anon is having over intercessors?

>>98487305
Nta but firstborn and pics of firstborn do piss off anons here. Even the word firstborn does it too.
We’re seeing it in action right now.

>>98487283
Yeah where's the monopose running man that sticks out like a sore thumb when there are multiple squads

>>98487314
you see people randomly crying about primaris far more often but nice try

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>>98487271
is this what all of the oldfags refer to as being sovl? the fucking state of it

>>98487316
At least you can have running man pose and not everyone is popping a half squat

>>98487271
That 6th Ed tactical kit is unironically one of the best versions of heroic scale GW has every made.
It's sad to see that GW threw away all they had learned to chase after the weird truescale shit.

>>98487307
trying to make some sort of mutant unit that fits the gargoyle profile for gsc
scourges look pretty sweet but look a lot more elite than the gargoyle statline
thanks though

>>98487271
Deformed midgets all with the same pose

>>98487318
Well the smugness out of you is proving my point.
>>98487320
Yes even the word firstborn in the context of vostroyan firstborn has set off some autists here in the past.
Maybe mentioning this pattern can mitigate the meltdowns but nobody can be certain.

>>98487331
trying WAY too hard

>>98487333
Just repeating what I’ve seen.
It could have been just one autist here and maybe he is gone post pdf hack.

>>98487328
Maybe the weird winged ghouls from the AoS Flesheater Courts line?

>>98487178
I don't know what you're talking about, but it sounds like you're having a lot of fun!

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>>98487322
>popping a half squat
that’s pretty much all marines. you can see it in pic and then the armageddon box has the same “problem” with the exception of the deeply monopose tactical rock/running man models. that’s just the nature of being in a bulky suit of armor.

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>>98487347
false

>>98487339 (me)
If I had to guess it was from all the PAK trolling that made some anons weirdly enough get angry at firstborn space marines in any warhammer related context.
Again I haven’t seen this behavior post website hack so maybe the autist is gone.
Best to use predecessor instead of firstborn to be honest. Unless you like seeing spergouts.

>>98487347
>cherrypicks a new kit with the most bland poses

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>>98487322
>>98487347
I like emperor’s children, so I’ll use this guy as another example.

>>98487350
Why do the two standing still ones have their hips splayed like like a woman?

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>female space marines aren’t rea-
Apologize.

>>98487359
oi, that's not a space marine, that's a void trooper, totally different.

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>>98487341
good idea, but they're like twice as big
you jogged my memory though that what i was thinking of was furies and they still make them
have to think what i'm going to use the bird-dog things for though

>>98487288
I just think that cannbalism could be the 'primal' emotional elemnt of Malal that isn't covered by the big four. Malal as the 'outer' chaos god like Sithis in TES has been given to Belakor who also has the shadow and darkness demon thing going on. Fear of starving too death is pronounced its one of the four horsemen in christian thought. So the chaos god of that fear embodying that conclusion of people turning their family and friends as being nothing but a food source would suit a chaos god very well.
>ES Daedric Prince Namira could be a good inspiration
>all creatures who feed on rotten flesh are her spies.
>ritual murder and cannibalism to honor Namira
>followers tend to congregate in dark or filthy places, reveling in their misery and the darkness.
Kino. Power goes out in some forgotten part of an underhive and thats how a cult of not!Malal emerges, his rites can only be done in complete blackness in squalor and filth of his followers who are more like maggots than men
(Def stepping on the toes of Nurgle a bit but whatever)

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Hello!

Eldar faggot here:
How
do you play Corsairs? They aren't their own army, are they?
I haven't seen a codex for Corsairs....
are they a download?

>>98487289
The point is Admech get to monopolize any actual tech advancements for themselves and kneecapping anyone that isn't loyal to the Mechanicus that tries to innovate ensures that. Same reason the navigator houses will send assassins to kill anyone that finds some way to navigate the warp without them. Most important factions in the Imperium would rather fuck up the rest of the Imperium then lose their comfy positions.

>>98487178
I am unfortunately a Victorian but thankfully I am not a turbofaggot like that would normally imply. However Maroon? For the blood ravens? stop taking the piss, they're red.

>>98487365
That's kinda the domain they gave GHR in AoS since he ascended to the big boy's table. While nurgle is all about Deapair in the face of hopelessness and giving up, GHR is all about Desperation and the monster you're willing to become to scrape out survival for just one more day, one more meal or even just one more minute.

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Malice should represent nothing more than the eternal struggle of all against all.

>>98487359
If only the femstodes had their big unnaturals out on display, genetically enhanced for maximum appeal

>>98487188
>>98487163
If only Aeons of Battle and Majorkill would die all of a sudden....

>>98487384
big custodes boobs are better when they get hot and steamy under tight armor

>>98487372
Corsairs are just a few units for craftworlders. Deldar can take them too but corsairs suck for them

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>>98487271
>>98487283
The posing you get out of tacicals is very subtle. But if you're running 20 modern Intercessors then you're gonna have several guys who are completely identical.
"Action" poses are for children and adults with sub 100 IQ. We need more ways to make our dudes /ours/ out of thr box without kitbashing.

>>98487385
EoB is one of the best hobby tutorial sources out there

>the main shop that does 40k in my town doesn't allow proxies
Joyless freaks.

>>98487381
Joseph sounds like he read way too much 40K fiction.

>>98487394
>then you're gonna have several guys who are completely identical.
this retard builds according to the instruction manual yet calls others children with sub 100 IQ
what a fucking braindead retard

>>98487396
Yeah and he should NEVER open his mouth about lore again.

>>98487403
>without kitbashing.
I'M NOT HIM BUT HE ADDRESSES THAT! IN HIS FUCKING POST! OH MY GOD YOU'RE SO RETARDED I HATE YOU I HATE YOU I HATE YOU!

>>98487396
hey
>>98487406
this

>>98487388
But then I don't get to see and paint them outside of my mind palace

>>98487408
>kitbashing
swapping arms in the same kit isn't kitbashing you subhuman mongoloid

>>98487408
Swap the arms and heads you fucking retard

>>98487403
if you like not following the instruction manual, then its way easier to do that with >>98487198 than with >>98487232

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>>98487381
That's pretty cool. I will say that a focus on cannibalism would fit with the eternal struggle of all aganist all Not!Malice could have. The breakdown of ties to the family unit, to the social circle, to the polis. Malal was about rare soltary champions who preyed upon other champions. So far fewer in number but each champion is so powerful, represented by pic related of a malal greater daemon vs a slaansh greater deamon.
Bring on the open cannibals CSM I say

>>98487420
for an inferior result! Such convenience!

>>98487394
Gigabased. Fuck primarislop.
>>98487398
How? Even the sweatiest meta grey tide players at mine don't mind if I slap down tacticals with tactical-sized bases and call them intercessors.
They're just happy to see someone with a competently painted army.

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>>98487394
The thing with older pose-able models is that to me at least, GW still sculpted the models to be more representative and game-piece like than literal scale model, which went well with the squat proportions. That's why while I appreciate the detail and more natural poses of modern models, they don't have the charm of the older ones.

>>98487424
>inferior result
where are the results? in fact, where are the results from not following the instruction manual in the intercessors?

>>98486693
narrative movement is awful, it explicitly damages the sandbox nature of the setting. Era Indomitus should never have happened.

>>98487429
that little quartered kneepad is so cute. is be meant to be a former loyalist turned traitor who keeps it as a memento, or did he just knick it off a random marine?

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>>98487436
>where are the results? in fact, where are the results from not following the instruction manual in the intercessors?

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>>98487420
so true, check it!