Aw SHIT it's STILL TITANICUS edition.Previous thread: >>98512958>HH 3.0 - Complete gofile - All Books:https://gofile.io/d/cnJk0N>Titanicus Compendiumshttps://gofile.io/d/1accdP>New Edition, to a great wailing and gnashing of teeth:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/setting/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/>Thread FAQ (very old, remembers Age of Terra)https://pastebin.com/iUqNrrA8https://pastebin.com/8riDmnhS>30k TACTICA & TIPShttps://pastebin.com/Tm2P4QLphttps://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Age_of_Darkness-Warhammer_30k/3.0_Tactics/General_Tactics『Adeptus Titanicus and Legions Imperialis』>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloadshttps://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/legions-imperialis/>List of Titan Legions with Badges and Colourshttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17Jccq0V--SwJifLVLwbisYnQeqLlS2pMSiPbGXp1Brs/htmlview>More listshttps://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/List_of_Titan_Legions>What size magnets do I need?5x1mm>Tacticshttps://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Adeptus_Titanicus/Tactics>Legions Imperialis Army Builderhttps://legionbuilder.app/TQ: Do ya know how to play Titanicus?
>>98530232This reminds me, where's that guy who had to paint up a full-scale titan in Legio Mortis colors because I got cursed dubs?
>>98530350Wasn't that the Warbringer fella?
I should do some funky bolter conversions but then I'd want models to attach the funky bolter conversion to and I already have enough to paint.
>Buddy is getting some 30k stuff togetherOoh>It's custodesaww>It's custodeshmm...
>>98530648put those troonstodes in place
>>98528966Took you guys a while, damn.The reward is that a Dark Angel will be a corpse on my next larger miniature piece.
>>98530760Cool
>rimming 20 dudes rn
>>98530996>FULGRIM GET BACK ON THAT WALL OR SO HELP ME
What the hell? Masters of descent cant take combi weapons? Hand flamer or combat shield then? The shield sounds interesting, but im not sure I want a MoD in a challenge even with that thing.
>>98530996Sir, this is a blue board.
>>98531054Went with a pistol holster, looked better imo. One of the spares from my zephon. Next conversion: Augur C&C squad.
>$10>10 new mk2 assault squad bodies>4 without arms, 2 with pf+plasma, 2 with chainsword+bolt pistol, 2 with ccw+pistolShould I go proont or but some melee weapon kit to outfit them as destroyers/red hand?
>>98531346Sure
>>98531355Any good melee weapons kits you'd recommend? I guess I need two rocket launchers too. Caedere weapons are probably overkill on them, maybe chain axes?
>>98531552I got a bunch of prints from etsy, load of pistols, bunch of power weapons. Two missile launchers. Good price. Check for garage gaming, somewhere around £12 for the thing. Although you could probably source some STLs and print it yourself if you have that avenue open. If you want melee weapons? The heavy chainaxe can double for an excorciator imo
Now that a few of them are out, what's been your favorite Journal Tactica thus far? And why that one and not one of the others?
I have a friend who's turning 40, is a huge horus heresy fan and almost exclusively plays 30k. Is there anything that would be a good gift? I'm more of a 40k guy, I haven't payed much attention to what's going on in 30k.
>>98532135Do you at least know his army?
>>98532143lunar wolves, I think, but he's got a bit of everything.
>>98531965Mailed Fist for the lore on marine tank development.Steel hand of Mars for introducing good missions.Zone Mortalis for being an excellent Zone Mortalis update.
>>98532135>>98532164Bit tough to give advice without knowing the budget, andwhat units he already has. Maybe the melee weapon kit, more bits is always useful.
>>98532180fair enough, i'll do a bit more research.
Does anyone know if these old FW heavy weapon kits work with nu arms from the heavy weapons upgrade kit?
>>98532581No, as the new arms do not have a hand to hold the carry handle.
>>98532164Can't go wrong with a dreadnought
>>98530705You still gotta shoot them up, right? Even a bucket of centurions won't hold their own.
>>98532581No, the new arms lack the left hand and have somewhat wonky poses that only work with the weirdly angled wrists found on all the new weapons.
>>98532595>>98532609I forgot to add that I will be sourcing left hands from somewhere else. Was just wondering if somebody has tried
How do you retards even put up with recasts when it's literally just a scam. Look at the mold slippage on this head. It's almost split in two. 5 out 10 heads are unusable. I don't even care that much about the 2 bucks lost, but do I complain? Is it possible for them to fix the mold slippage if I order twice?
>>98532608Shooting is the most easy way to deal with custodes. Centurions can handle the rank and file custodes in melee, but characters, aquilon terminators or hetaeron guard are gonna be a problem.
>>98532581They work okayish. From my experience you might struggle getting a super flush fit due to width/the elbow, but it looks good enough on new arms. Speaking of: Augur C&C squad. Havent drilled the barrels yet, will do it once they dry a bit so I dont have them fall apart on me.
>>98531941Hm, I do have a few berzerkers sprues somewhere, I could totally use those.
>>98532608Centurions do fine vs most of them. But basically nothing short of a primarch fights a tribune and wins (unless you stack the deck a LOT). But yes, shooting them is the best move, ideally either with D1 breaching (plasma) or D3 Ap2 (melta), which negates their eternal warrior. If you want to engage them in melee terminators are decent, custodes have universal AP2 but unless they charge theyre limited on attacks and have (some) issues wounding T5, The terminators are a super tough nut to crack, but twin claws are okay into them (although theyre super expensive and heavy, just avoid them). Or use saturnines, T6 and D3 are things custodes dont really like much.
>>98532581the old bakcpacks mogg hard
>>98532652who did you order from? can you try to send them a message?
>>98532686wartablegamesI guess what I'm asking is, are the molds fucked and the same heads will always turn out fucked, or are they too careless in the production somewhere?I mean, if it's not the molds I wish they would just try again on the heads that failed
If some of you anons wandered how the normal jump pack looks on a new MkIV assault marine instead of the nu primaris abomination jump pack here it is
>>98532693I have no idea what parts you ordered, but I guess it could be both. Some products have bad reviews because the mold is low quality, so I assume some of them are just kinda "inherently fucked". Personally ive had a good experience with them, so that also suggests its tied to specific items rather than a general "variable quality". >>98532652>How do you retards even put up with recasts when it's literally just a scamBecause you get what you pay for. Its a product at significant discount with the risk of lower quality and standards.
>>98532695
>>98532695is that the old resin jump pack?
>>98532693It might be the mould yes, I highly recommend reading the reviews. My wartablesgames orders have been ok besides a miscast on one of five heads.
>>98532652>>98532693Send them a mail, other ppl have told me they got quite reasonable customer support.That said I've never received such a bad cast myself, and I've ordered a ton of shit from wartablegames.
>>98532699>>98532725>>98532728They're these old mkiii fist heads. They looked fine in the picture and the 1 review was good. I've gotten other heads in the same order that are from a newer plastic range and they turned out perfect. Anyway I've emailed them, I just hope they understand what I'm asking and they don't ESL out completely
>>98532717Yes
>>98532660Thanks anon. You don't happen to posses a picture of them?
>>98532695>>98532702>>98532743Looks so much better. Those new jump packs are such abominations.
>>98532737Good luck
>>98532759New jump packs are okay.For VI, not fucking IV, what the fuck.
>>98532759Indeed.
>>98532695>>98532702>>98532743looks kinda small on the nu mk4. maybe I should try printing one scaled up a bit
>>98532762Nah, even for VI it reeks too much of primaris
>>98532135anything less than a reaver titan is pretty much an insult to your friendship these days
>>98532756Well, the picture there has the old rotor cannon with new MK2 arms.
>>98532894I don't particularly like the design, but it doesn't really look much like anything in the primaris range. the design language is pretty different
>>98532581you could do it with a lot of cutting and reposing but you're better off sourcing a bunch of the older plastic arms or just using arms from 40k tactical marinesthey do work relatively well with the new bodies at least
Odd choice here. The graviton is exactly what I thought it'd be but the volkite is pretty ass, no reason to take it over a gatling blaster besides flavor.
>>98532695>>98532702Yep, sadly the original MK4 jump packs are just too small. They were already so when compared to old mk2/mk5 ones.The new mk4 assault marines having nonsensical ugly torsos also doesn't help.Either get upscaled prints/3rd party (tortuga), or use nuMk2 jump packs with them, there's some support for that in old art.
>>98533246>9/11>don't come to isstvan tomorrow brother you're alright
>>98532695>the nu primaris abomination jump pack hereBlame Ligma. The nuMK6 jumpack looks like that to match the Epic/nu LI design, which is easier to mold in one piece than the old FW designs
>>98532652You suck it up buttercup, that's what happens when you buy bootlegs. Pirates these days are so entitled I swear.
>>98533381The conversion beam disappointment
>>98533411It's not even fair, I buy literal OOP stuff only
>>98533308Irl the jump packs does not look so bad and small, but yes, probably ahould be a little bit bigger
>>98532883Still not as minuscule as those retarded Mk VI assault marine jump packs. Those things are barely larger than a regular power pack.
>>98533404It's not LIgma's fault, It's GW's shittification at work again. Even when they try they never give us what we want.It fucking GRATES me that all the power armor tac sculpts have the same poses across each box. It's so goddamn lazy
Played a quick 2000 pt game with a custom mission about sabotaging munitions stockpiles. Salamanders get close to wiping out the NL with their aerial superiority but can't actually destroy any of the supply points.
>>98534398were you playing at the Flintstones' house?
>>98534408What does that even mean?
>>98534408>>98534410Kek
>>98534398>Javelins without a base
Good day anons, rare Adeptus Titanicus question:Is it possible to have an even match between a single warlord titan and an equivalent amount of points in Knights? What kind of composition would the knight side want if this is possible?Reason: I'm eyeing the AT warlord as a painting project and my buddy wants to do an all knights army, we were wondering if they could be played against each other in an extra small scale game.
>>98534410lots of rock and stone, because the flintstones are cavemen who lived in a stone house
>>98534462if he took a banner of lancers, you would probably lose as soon as it touched you
Why the FUCK is there no combi grav? It has rules, its not some obscure thing, why is there no model for it?
>>98534841well, there is one
>>98534841As much as I could use extra pouches, the combi-weapons kit would have been better if it had included combi-graviton instead.
>>98535040Combi grenades would also be nice.
>>98534908Whats this from? That one cata praetor model?
>>98535196True, but still got so many of those GK back packs left over from playing them in 5th ed. to use for making combi-grenade launchers
>Discovered the glory of veteran tactical squads after trying them in a game>Can't stop building more veteran tactical squads with different (combi-)weapon loadoutsSend help.
>>98535333you just use them to bully tac squads then jump on the objective?
>>98535333You dont need help. You need more veterans.
>>98535341Not specifically. Their ranged damage is surprisingly solid, that BS 5 is so fucking nice. Usually park them on a back or mid field objective and shoot at whatever infantry is in range and LOS.It's also very nice that they don't evaporate the instant something vaguely looks in their direction, like with regular tactical squads.
>>98534462>Is it possible to have an even match between a single warlord titan and an equivalent amount of points in Knights?Technically yes. Practically no. An expensive warlord is around 510 points (e.g. the two belicossa+apoc missiles base kit). For that you could get 2 banners of 3 lancers, or an astreius and some lancers, or two or three banners of various questoris knights etc, which the warlord could very well kill in a single salvo much less in the at least two turns it takes to get into melee. A learned player would give that warlord at least one graviton ruinator or mori quake cannon for that delicious concussive debuff as well as reducing the points cost of that warlord which would cause different problems. Of course terrain plays a role in deciding what that warlord can do but it's pretty easy for a single titan to stomp into a firing lane and not bother to move.
>>98534841they're still in the 40k Tac and Dev boxesbuy enough of those and they'll be in the box that replaces them next year too
Please HH brothers free me from 40k hell. Please brothers please I just want rules that aren't complete and utter shit I PLAY XENOS I DON'T WANT TO BE HERE ANYMORE YOU GUYS HAVE BETTER RULES I'M BEGGING YOU LET ME IN
>>98535496No.
>>98535454Now assuming that you limit yourself to the available kits without purchasing extra parts the warlord still has a pretty significant advantage. It's not certain for sure but the knights are really going to be punching up no matter what their makeup is. Unless it's two asterius knights then it might very well be even, but that's really boring.
>>98535496Play a proper army, like a real man. With even SA and Mech being mostly plastic now there's options for if you don't want to play marines too. Some non-de-script xenos using the militia rules are also acceptable.
PLASTICWARHOUNDTITAN
>>98535533Meh
>>98535545TITANICUSAND TITANICUS TRAITORISSOON TO COME TO AN HH BATTLEFIELD NEAR YOU and 40k too
>>98535496Orks, Harlequins, the Kin and Dark Eldar should all be in HH simply based on stories of them raiding or intervening in various side missions. the rangda too
>>98535533>>98535574You should get out of the glue fumes anon, you're hallucinating again.
>>98535745FUCK YOU HORUS YOU WON'T TRICK ME
>>98535533They were working on one back in and around 2006-7ish, around when the plastic baneblade was being worked on/came out and when apocalypse 1.0 was a thing. I talked to SEVERAL of the designers at games day in chicago back then about it, they also showed me all their design documents for the plastic sisters of battle that they were working on back then.....we were fucking ROBBED with what they ACTUALLY released....
>>98535933Were the titties big?
>>98534841The Warsmith has one
>>98535235Yeah the tellyport GK packs are so good for nade launchers
>>98533087that hood sword is lit af
HORUS WHY DID YOU BETRAY THE DREAM! WHY DID YOU FORSAKE THE EMPEROR!
Assuming the left arm swapped out and an appropriate right shoulder pad, cata or tartaros and what legion?
>>98536472Neither, an indomitus terminator sergeant
>>98535207>https://www.warhammer.com/en-WW/shop/the-horus-heresy-iron-warriors-warsmith-2025IW Warsmith
>>98534287It's not so much lazy as it is - from GW's perspective - efficient. If there are only five poses across the whole range, they can produce supplementary kits that fit all of them, and both the core and supplementary kits can be simple and quick to produce since you only require a couple of runs on the production machines.I'm not saying that's a good thing, just that it's less lazy than it is selfish.
>>98534287>It fucking GRATES me that all the power armor tac sculpts have the same poses across each box.Why exactly? Shared poses were always a thing, its what enables universal weapons upgrades to work.
>>98535496>Please HH brothers free me from 40k hell. Please brothers please I just want rules that aren't complete and utter shit I PLAY XENOS-How can we free you if you don't want to be freed.
>>98536472Indomitus terminators sergeant is the only acceptable option.
>>98536472
>>98537363A normal torso like the one they were doing pre primaris shit can take literally any hand/weapons pose. The most universal thing ever was the cut between torso and legs. It was perfect. They could just keep that format and publish new legs poses. Crouching, running, jumping, walking, whatever. We could have ten times better looking armies than the one they gave us with the same 5 poses shit.
>>98537505>A normal torso like the one they were doing pre primaris shit can take literally any hand/weapons poseAnd those "normal torses" were also limited to a small number of poses. Namely the squat.
>>98537363Universal weapon upgrades have existed for decades without shared monopose bullshit. The new weapon kits don't even got ammo feeds or power cables, there's literally no valid reason besides lazy GW designers cutting corners.
>>98537546They were not. There were kneeling legs, running legs, you name it, and the torsos fit with all of them.
>>98537546No, they were not. And also you could move the torso backwards and make a predatory jumping marine. I did one in my other life when I was playing NL 40k, but then GW invalidated the loadout. It was a wonderful Raptors sergeant jumping with his two lightning claws pointing in front.
>>98537602Here it is.
>>98537630Das cool.
And here is a wip of my apothecary for the Raptors
>>98534410Kek Euros don't even KNOW
is it possible to play SA (or really any hh faction) and NOT repeatedly play games where whole platoons of tanks engage each other from 30 meters away or less? I really, really hate when there's an overabundance of vehicles in 28mm wargames.
>>98537645Thanks. This dude actually wears a pair of frost claws from a Space Wolf that he killed and took as a trophies
>>98534462No.The knights will be really out activate the warlord, surround it, and then kill it.Unless the Warlord brings a dedicated anti knight load out (basically double belicosa), at which point it will in one turn probably 70% of the knights, and then finish them on the next turn.All knight armies don't really mesh well into the game, even if they are an option.
>>98537663Are you asking if you can not bring tanks? A thing that is entitely in your control when listbuilding?
>>98537505Correct.
>>98537663play zone mortalis!!!
>>98537663How do you feel about sentinels and rapiers?
>>98537546Plastic HH torsoes were separate from the legs and it was pretty easy to use other ones.
>>98534410Americans aren't used to walls that can resist some wind and aren't made of cardboard.
>>98537663yeah you're going to need sentinels and rapiers to deal with tanks, but it's possibleyou can also experiment with cohort doctrines, take robots or whatever
>>98536518>>98537427Too fancy>>98537437He's not troonscale, he's from the Start Collecting box
>>98538171Ogryn can also fist tanks good now
Slowly progressing with the armoured company . One more predator, a chykhlopos, 5 techmarines and a master of the firge and my army of shattered legions era DA is going to be complet.
>>98538269I'm not saying he's bigger, the termie variants are very different from each others visually so you won't get away with just a shoulder swap. Also it's the in-setting cheaper variant so it doesn't really fit a praetor or high ranked officer.
>>98538269>Too fancy
>>98538300Not a hh miniature in sight.
>>98538300Never forget what they took away and replaced with a shoulder pad , daring to call it DC, veterans etc
>>98538269>Too fancyMake him the platoon lieutenant.
>>98538341lieutenants are a 40k unit you fucking tourist
>>98538368Just because GW tries to IP everything , we should not follow their wierd modern naming conventions and call an Lt a "Delegatus"
>>98538368lol
>>98538297>the termie variants are very different from each others visuallyThe Justaerin tartaphractii and all the praetor and special unit variants show a wide spread of sub-patterns.
Indomitus should have had the rules removed so we can stop getting 40k fags trying to fit them in
>>98538440All units that don't have dedicated 30k models should be removed.
>>98538440>>98538468Most unconvincing larping I've seen in a while.
>>98538368
>>98538846>Rogue trader loreWhat's next, you're also gonna claim UM are a second founding chapter that replaced one who went traitor?
>>98538873see>>98538419C'mon, faggot OP got btfo'd enough without being even more embarrassing.
>>98538419Bodied that freak.
>>98538873why don't you uhtake a look at the Legion Infantry transfers bud
>>98535533It's gonna happen, by virtue of resin being discontinued
>>98539423>inb4 titans removed from 30k and 40k
GW is bringing everything back. They will exhaust every last iota of old stuff.
>>98539477Finally, everyone will be forced to play yitanicus (but at full scale)
>>98539485I mean, if they even brought fucking tarantula sentry guns back, everything is on the table. Nobody was asking for those fucking things to return in plastic.
Is 30k essentially played like 40k? Thr store owner at my GW said the games take hours to play and you need multiple tables for only 1 game.
>>98539499>fucking tarantula sentry gunsI must be alone in liking them for the tactical element they represent, but not how they were ever priced or statted.You'd think a unmovable shooting platform that autofires would have more usability, or at least more shots to make up it's lack of maneuvering and price.
>>98539477Based. I'd stick to Epic for titan gameplay, or use old apocalypse rules. As for the models, I'm sure there are great STLs, even scans of titans, out there.
>>98539512Are you crazy? Current tarantula rules are fucking busted. >Cheap>Special shooting reaction that happens during enemy movement phase means they almost always will fire before being killed>Infiltrate combined with being vehicles allows nasty movement blocking, this alone makes them more than worth their points valueCan pull off bullshit with tarantulas that denies objectives turn 1 and has zero counter play.
>>98539508If you mean like current 40k, no it's nothing like it, despite GW's best efforts. It takes a bigger table because GW butchered 40k table sizes so they could skimp on buying tables in GW stores, and it takes longer because a unit doesn't evaporate into a thin air from being in line of sight for a turn.
>>98539558yeah, that thing was one of the final nails in to coffin of my cities HH 3.0 ed community. 8-12 of those locking you out of objectives, is not just "broken" but extremly unfun to play against. And when performed by everyone in turns the game in to "I won the roll to deploy my first, now I win". anon that thinks they should be cheaper/more shoty is crazy.
>>98539508No, it's a different game. Table size depends on the points value you're playing, HH scales waaaay better with different point limits than 40k does. At 3000 points you'll need the full 6x4' size, but at 1000 or even 1500 a 2x2' area will do.Duration of playing it also depends on the size of the game you're playing, though once people know the basics it plays a lot faster in my experience. Even with the full 3k games I've seen people arrive late, set up a table, play a full 5 turns relic hunt missions, pack up and head home - whilst the more casual 40k players who arrived earlier are still in the middle of their game.
>>98539672And you didn't implement a gentlemen's agreement to not bring more than one set of tarantula sentry guns? House rules and self restraint are the only reason the HH community survived, otherwise shit like phospex rapiers in 1.0 and contemptors in 2.0 would have completely killed the game.
I want to stick a Laser Destroyer on a Dreadnought.
>>98539746The saturnine dread would definitely be able to power one of those.
>>98539712there are no gentlemen east of the Elba. there is only war.
>>98539746Split the lasers up and have them shoulder mounted on a contemptor then build a missile launcher for one arm and a double assault cannon for the other
>>98539808Should have guessed it was in that area.
>>98539485But in how many years?
>>98539821I assume that GW is maybe allowing my army to be playable when I hit 60, in around 12 years, so I definitly won't see it.
>>98539971The fuck do you play, storm eagle spam?
>>98540158It's the polish biker retard
I should paint my reaver up as Defensor and do a Lanikasara warlord.
>>98540357isn't he like 30? Or is there more of them.
Is HH less grimdark than 40k? I like 40k's aesthetic I just really hate grimdark, I want something with the same aesthetic but about hope and faith
>>98542647Go play age of sigmar.
>>98542647Seconding AoS.
>>98542647Stick to AoS kiddo.
>>98542647The hope of an unified humanity being shattered is a core theme in 30k.
Some mildly mid custodes
>>98542702The black shading is actually kinda nice. Most cuckstodes are painted with such low contrast gold that you can't make out any of the details.
>>98542702Which gold is that?
>>98542062one of them's maybe polishone of them at least is "polish"
>>98539746I want to stick my dick in Constantin Valdor, we can't always have nice things anon
>>98542664>>98542666>>98542696Why are you all recommending age of shitmar?>>98542699But the primarchs are there, and fighting for hope, the Emperor himself is there, it's humanity's golden age. Doesn't the Imperium literally win the Heresy to rule the galaxy for 10k years by the end and the bad guys run to the Eye of Terror? Not to mention the Emperor ascending to godhood via the golden throne
>>98542802This has to be bait.
>>98542802No?
>>98542802AoS is pretty much entirely about hope, faith, and reclaiming the world.
>>98542769Vellejo liquid metal rich gold, gloss coat with an ivory oil wash, cleaned with mineral spirits, touched up with army painter antique gold, then final gloss coat to seal.
>>98542821I don't care, it's woke, the 40k franchise (as a whole) seems better suited for it anyway. Except 40k proper is mired in grimderp bullshit and written by people who include corny shit like "you will not be missed" and whenever you complain about it people just quote old books from the 80's and 90's at you. I thought HH would be different, both fiction and community wise.
>>98542866HH is woke too.
>>98542866HH got female custodes models before 40k did.
>>98542886I thought female custodes weren't canon and were the work a rogue intern?
>>98542889Where have you been these past months that you somehow escaped the nustodes reveal shitstorm?
>>98542880>>98542886Stop entertaining the troll.
>>98542866Nigger it is the same shit written by the same set of people. You can either ignore it, which is pretty easy since this is a miniatures wargame and what you do is build and paint models and then play a game with people that you know, so the content of novels written by a homosexual green party voter from Nottingham is not hugely relevant.
>>98542896I just saw a few headlines and videos about it and moved on, something about a rogue intern according to a guy who had internal sources.
>>98542702what body dysmorphia is that?
>>98542913The new custodes models come with tits and female heads.
>>98542864>Oils, soils and foils>Formerly chucks.
>>98542913Yeah dude a rogue intern both wrote several army books and designed and approved a set of model kit releases. Kill yourself you absolute fucking tourist.
>>98542911It goes beyond that, though, grimderp can even extend to models, like how the 40k admechs have "servitors" that are just cyborg slaves on their models, imperium having skulls everywhere, etc. I know the weird derpy skull obsession is missing from HH, as well as the insistence on "tyranids/necrons/chaos will win" in the writing since chaos loses in the HH and the others aren't a thing yet. I just don't want to have to see grimderp on the table, I want hope and faith reflected in what would otherwise be a very uplifting, almost arthurian/howardian/tolkienesque fairy-tale like Christian-adjacent swords and sorcery setting but in space. And that does extend to models.
>>98542938Chaos lost every single black crusade for the entire history of warhammer up until GW retroactively decided they had won. Every single hive fleet invasion was defeated and shattered into splinter fleets and necrons really don't do anything at all. In the Horus Heresy the traitor forces effectively end a period of progress for human civilization and start a new dark age that spans the entire galaxy and lasts over 10,000 years (you may have noticed the subtitle of the game is Age of Darkness). It sounds like you're a cretin and all of your ideas about warhammer are memes.
>>98542959I wish what you were saying was right nowadays, maybe it was it at one point, but nowadays we have tyranids killing marines in cinematic trailers and chaos gods torturing people and returned primarchs being doomers. I don't care that it's called "the age of darkness," darkness is made all the more obvious when contrasted with light, which leads me to conclude that HH should have more light in it, and I thought it did, at least looking in from the outside. I mean, that's the point of grimdark, you cannot have darkness without heavy amounts of light to contrast against it, otherwise it's just satanic nihilist nonsense. Again, doesn't chaos literally lose at the end of the heresy? The Emperor dies, sure, but in an obi-wan sort of way, i.e. "I shall become more powerful than you can imagine." He does ascend to godhood, after all, whereas before he was just a godlike man trapped in mortal form. And brings about a 10,000 year golden age for humanity, though it is lesser than the golden age of the Great Crusade, so maybe more of a silver age before the grimderp of 40k sets in at the end of those 10,000 years
>>98542864cool femcustode army bro.
>>98542996>the antagonist factions the models for which are products being sold in the setting are depicted in trailers doing antagonist stuff?! Grimderp!You are literally retarded. Fuck off.
>>98542938>Death is all around us now: the death of the body, the death of the spirit, but most of all the death of hope. >Book 1 BetrayalThe only hope both sides have is to reach Terra before the other does and that once the last battle of the heresy is fought there is enough of an imperium left to make this civil war worth it(spoilers, even during the middle of it there isn't).PreHH Emps did his utmost to stomp out faith to the point that there are several imperial bodies whose only purpose is cutting religion out of newly assimilated cultures and ensuring it never takes root up again. These are as follows:the iterator corps, who attain their main purpose through propagandathe order elucidatum, who do it either through assassination or by mass murderthe legions who stomp out religion on sight and in some cases execute the followers like some luna wolves were discussing in the first bookthe imperial army which while it has some proto-imperial cultists is staunchly anti-religionthe mechanicum which doesn't recognize any other religion other than theirs and even then there are already some examples of magi moving away from religion like the whole magma city debacleYou know who has faith? The WB.
>>98543020book 1 is Rise of Horus tho....Side stories are not cannon.
>>98543020Past the order elucidatum it isn't their main purpose but it's up there, I forgot to rewrite that once I decided to expand on that part. That being said emps is very big on atheism because he wants to starve chaos.
>>98543017It's not "antagonist" stuff, it's making the main heroes of the setting who are supposed to be demigods look like chumps and ruining the main power fantasy appeal of the entire setting.>>98543020>there's no hopeFuck, HH is grimderp too!??? Do the writers just hate 40k??? Do they just fucking hate that they made a setting designed to be the ultimate heroic power fantasy?? Do they even know what genre they're writing in? It's like the starship troopers movie or helldivers 2, where the writers hate the source material/power fantasy but accidentally strengthen it, except here they keep trying to weaken it over and over but can't remove it entirely because it would jeopardize sales. Fuck GW. Why do you consume this slop and just tolerate it? Most of the internet accepts 40k as hopeful and faith-fueled, but it feels like everyone who actually plays 40k/HH is some nihilistic death cultist who wants there to be grimdark grimdark grimdark with zero hope or reason to keep going, and want space marines to be disposable chumps who die by the dozen to make the bad guys look scarier. That's worfing. The trope people hate. And you are defending it.
Bad bait but you got one.
>>98543029Book 1 is the forgeworld book for the game that started this general. If we want to use BL's canon then it's quite woke with plenty of women in command positions because out of setting they couldn't really fit them in as marines so you get plenty of ship captains or other important characters. It also is more grimderp, quite on the silly end of it certain times like the entire book where a bunch of shattered legions guys accomplish nothing other than getting picked off by dinos and maybe calling the nids in our galaxy. It has less hope because the traitors despite losing a lot aren't really affected by it and sometimes they go through a lot of loyalist characters. It has some faith but those are the worst bits of the books, the john grammaticus parts.
>>98543045Because I like it and you should really play aos instead of being here.
>>98543045you can always collect the plastic army guys & ignore the derp, that's what i do anon.
>>98543045That's funny because some of the helldivers 2 devs play ligma, one of them even did a homebrew nids list before abandoning after a couple of revisions. As for why I still stick to a system that has bad miniatures, awful fluff and quite frankly shitty rules that make 1st edition AoS look incredible is because I hate myself and want to remind myself of that everytime I'm not working so there is that. With the years HH only got worse unlike AoS which I've heard is quickly becoming one of GW's greatest systems that's currently being sold so if you want a wargame that fits your description as a faith-fuelled hopeful thingamajig with good books and miniatures you could play that.>>98543094That sounds like a waste of money, every time he's going online to check what's new and what's going to come out he's going to have to be reminded of the grimderp and the miniatures aren't even that good. He wouldn't have those problems if he collected something else.
>>98543129>AoS which I've heard is quickly becoming one of GW's greatest systems that's currently being sold so if you want a wargameNope they fucked it up after 2nd.
>>98543155Nah, 4th edition AoS is easily the best it has ever been. Personally I quite like what they are doing with their marines, they aren't grimderp, they look good and do fulfill the power fantasy well enough.
>>98543045You seem to have both incorrect assumptions about what space marines are and also have the reddit tier idea that having guys pummel enemies who are not threats to them makes them look cool, and are also oblivious to the fact that space marines have to fight something and that the things the trailers a made for are 2 army sets where the non-marine army is the one getting a range refresh so both are being marketed. I think you just are not grasping what you're looking at.
>>98542996>Again, doesn't chaos literally lose at the end of the heresy?FUCK no they dont. If anything, LORGAR fucking wins hands down, because at the end of the day, the imperium ends up following his first book to a fucking T and goes against every single thing the E tried to push humanity away from. Sure, it ends up feeding into his NEW plan, but in the end, Lorgar was fucking right and ruined everything E was trying to do. Chaos bought themselves more than enough time to pick a NEW warmaster and set shit up in every corner of the galaxy instead of just a few places and a straight line to terra.Imperium "won" the battle while chaos set the pieces for the WAR.
>>98542864Good shit, in that case. My rookie ass uses VMet airbrush gold, a black wash all over, and a silver drybrush, the middle of which I don't think has pans out for things with a lot of flat surfaces.
>>98542866No, HH is about why and how 40k happens. >>98542802>Doesn't the Imperium literally win the HeresyNo, the imperium SURVIVES the heresy. Horus does not win, there is no dark and terrible chaos empire ruled by a 5th chaos god or whatever. But the imperium is about as alive as the emperor past that point. A bloated carcass that survives till 40k through inertia. The dream is dead, there is no hope for recovery or whatever the emperor had in his crack pipe, theres only stagnation and degradation until eventually you run out of worlds you can afford to lose. 30k is about how hope dies, about how the dream of galactic conquest went tits up and the imperium became the "grimderp" place you cry about. Its about the emperors ambition and "necessary measures" getting him to that point.
>>98543202>>98543253Can you guys please stop taking bait?
>>98543202I don't see how it's Lorgar's win if the imperium ends up adopting a creed that he was trying to eradicate. The fact that he was the originator of the creed, and that his turning against the Imperium is what pushed it to embrace those beliefs after he had sworn them off, doesn't make him look any more like a winner. It looks like he committed a cataclysmic self-own. You can say this is what the Dark Gods wanted, but this was definitely not what Lorgar had in mind.
>>98543045Warhammer is a two player game. In order for space marines to have things to fight and every game not to be a loyalist vs loyalist mirror match not only do people have to play the baddies, but significantly more people need to play the baddies than play space marines so they sell those. I know you may not be emotionally ready for this, but you will lose games to bad guy armies, so if that sounds like you would find that upsetting warhammer may not be for you.
>>98542959>Chaos lost every single black crusade for the entire history of warhammerThis should be very easy to prove, so do it. We didnt know what the black crusades were doing or how they went until they were detailed starting with the 6th(?) ed chaos codex. We simply knew the EoT campaign was meant to have the 13th and its goal was cadia.
>>98543256It is my god given right as an american to argue with people on the internet.
>hear SW players constantly bitching about deathsworn>look them up>theyre fineWhy are they like this?
>>98543371>see DA players constantly bitching about no longer having 6 legion traits>look them up>theyre fineWhy are they like this?
>>98543387because theyre whiny faggots
>>98543387>see mech players constantly bitching about their rules being incomprehensible and needing FAQs >look them up>Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Omnissiah Mars wgah'nagl fhtagn
>>98543305I just meant the entire time they had any kind of description. I didn't mean to imply they always had descriptions.
>>98543419>I just meant the entire time they had any kind of descriptionThey - to my knowledge - started getting fleshed out in the 6e csm codex, which is where the lore was "the previous crusades were more limited military operations with specific goals" and not just "13 goes at cadia""all the previous crusades were losses" is just people on the internet psyopping themselves into something, much like "the imperium originally won EoT until GW reversed it"
>>98543387Becuase the legion trait for DA is pretty pointless, but most dark angel players refuse to accept that their blanket free wing buffs were asininly OP. If anything I think Dark angels should have gotten wing buffs as prime slot benefits.
>>98543419>>98543425The lore in 2nd edition presents the Black Crusades as victories.The Liber Chaotica that came out in 2005 is the first sourcebook that fleshed out most of the unexplored Black Crusades. Again, most were presented as victories.So, it's not something new. Of Course, some Imperial sources has cope about the Imperials saying they won. Imperials do that all the time. Remember when the Imperium said that they won the Damocles Crtusade when they achieved zero goals or objectives?
>>9854342512th was the Gothic war which was definitely described as abaddon running off at the end.
>>98543469Anon, I think the point was to represent the legion in a historical wargame fashion, and promote more Your Dudes in actual play.The rules need not, and were not, overbearring, but offered flavor and customizing.
>>98543469>Becuase the legion trait for DA is pretty pointlessDisagree, its a better version of the (good) WE trait from 2nd.
>>98543484With two Blackstone Fortresses, which was his main goal.
>>98543371Want me to complain about Alone and Forgotten?
>>98543490anon, a blanket +1 to hit with swords or +1 to hit with bolters for fucking free, was insane, and yes i think the IF one was restarded as well giving htem a blanket +1 to hit with bolt AND auto weapons. >>98543491Its really not because it never actually activates. Think about it, what is the number one prime slot that people always take? Vets or Master SGT which pushes your ld up by 1. Now think in the actual game, is there anything in the game with enough fear to drop your Leadership that is already more then likely at a +1 or at 8 or above base due to being elite or a character in there, that can drop your LD down to 6.The answer is there is not, there are only i think 2 models with Fear 3 on them? One is a primarch and the other is a named character. In all my games of 3.0 i have never once seen the Dark angels legion trait ever kick into effect.
>>98543469>Becuase the legion trait for DA is pretty pointlessIts not pointless, its actually pretty damn strong. Its just "Not flashy" or very "feelsgood". The DA legion trait kicks in when things are bad, and makes them less bad/caps out how bad they can get. Theyre good at losing combat and holding, or not running when phosphex starts flying. These are good qualities, but theyre not "fun" qualities because no one wants to be in the situation where they are necessary or beneficial, and theyre not so necessary or beneficial that it ceases to be a bad place to be.
>>98543510I don't, because it is limited on both ends.Bolters required mass shooting to do any work, and bonus to melee is something the World Eaters had for decades without complaint.
>>98543517>when it kicks in.Which is almost never, and even when it does its not makign a difference because the squad it more then likely is going to activate on is either a throw away or dead anyways. The DA trait takes so many specific things for it to actually work because there is not many things in the game that is going to effect you to LD6 via fear. >>98543522If you dont think the IF and DA traits from 2.0 were asininely broken then i have to assume you either played them, or never played 2.0 against them because its was fucking stupid how good they were for literally no extra cost.
>>98543510It works in combat anon. Also phosphex. There are also NO models with fear(3), curze and sevatar are fear(2) and so is some admech dude I think (scoria?) and thats it. But once again: it works in combat, it means that when you get charged and lose half your unit the other half has a 42%~ chance to stand and hold no matter what. Its less big now that being run down is just another round of combat instead of instant death, but its still very valuable, since statuses are a pretty big deal. >>98543525>The DA trait takes so many specific things for it to actually work because there is not many things in the game that is going to effect you to LD6 via fear.Have you tried losing combat by 4 points or more? But yes, NL with phosphex is a use case for it. Or phosphex in general. Its the 2e word bearers trait. Thats all it is.
>>98543534Ill give you phosphex there, i just dont see a lot of people running it so there is that.
>>98543550True, its kinda rare (only really available to leviathan dreads, destroyers, siege breakers and then arquitors/rapiers via the siege breaker- and some legion specific units mostly in DA). But its disgustingly strong.
>>98543094It's hard to ignore derp like this, anon. Look at it. The gun and chest of these models have skulls in them for no reason other than "GRIMDARK!!!" when 40k is about hope and faith. Why the fuck do people defend this? And it's not like you can avoid this, someone will play these models against you and you will be forced to witness how atrociously grimderp they are. They look like horror movie villains or something who worship literal demons with those fucking needless skulls. I hate grimdark so much
>>98543558Its also the case of you gotta take specific shit to go outta your way in order to get the units that can use phosphex. Leviathen? Gotta burn a prime slot, or a aux to get it. Rapiers? need to also take a siege breakerArquitors? Turbo expensive. I would say the only thing regarding DA is i do think they should have gotten some form of their wing buffs back as prime slots. That to me seemed like a better trade, even if it cost points. I look at the Tsons and think thats how it should hve worked. Make it like a LD check that the Squad SGT had to make and if he failed it, he did not get ot shoot or attack that turn.
>>98543568I think they COULD have done essentially what the mechanicum got. One apex detachment per wing, the apex gives the crazy prime benefits that admech get with their special ones. (Some say a prime benefit for the deathwing prime slot that gives all "sword of the order" trait weapons +1 to hit or whatever). But that system would have its own issues, namely it would mean you couldnt mix wings and that you would have like eight pages of rules for the legion trait for one legion (and be a nightmare to balance).
>>98543560If you get upset when you see skulls you probably don't like the setting notorious for its excessive use of skulls. Go away and play battletech or something.
>>98543672The skulls are dumb, I wish they were gone, and I am also more of a 40k fan than you ever will be. We need hope!
>>98543560pfff amateur
>>98543760>he added extra skulls & rivetsThis is the true horus heresy experience
>>98543767is it more autistic to add extra rivets or shave off all the rivets and sculpt on weld lines?
>>98543760What the hell is wrong with you? Are you a satanist or just an edgy faggot?
>>98543560Dude, you've been working hard on the bait and have barely gotten anything. Go play a video game or something.
>>98543760Visionspilled Paragonofmetalmaxxing
>>98543833Scaping off rivets, scribing weld seams and then sculpting weld beads, then cutting flame cut marks on the plate edges and adding hex bolts is the maximum possible autism.>https://youtu.be/IwI80Bv9BGk?si=EE2NK0I-6fwa1FyU
>>98543760Enter!
Why does everyone hate troonstodes?
>a spooky skull oh no!Is this faggot Chinese or something
>>98543560>The gun and chest of these models have skulls in them for no reason other than "GRIMDARK!!!" >40k is about hope and faith>They look like horror movie villains or something who worship literal demons with those fucking needless skulls.why are you here, dude? you clearly know nothing about the setting, and despise everything that's cool about it
>>98543955There is no reason for the most technologically advanced faction in the Imperium to have actual human skulls decorating all their shit. It's very fucking weird considering they're supposed to be hyperlogical, not to mention that we're talking about hard science fiction.
>>98543939>gracias amigo>>98543974Its just bargain basement trolling by pretending to be retarded at 40k. They already got ignored in /40krgp/ so they're here fishing for (you). They're not subtle enough to get much, stuff like >>98543980 >40k hard scifi They're just bored and dumping the truck in the river.
>>98543980>they're supposed to be hyperlogicalThe guys who took science and technology and turned into into religious mysticism, hyperlogical? Suuuuuure.Someone needs to run off and read Asimov's Foundation trilogy for some context.
>>98543980I agree. Warhammer is supposed to be a realistic extrapolation of the future, not some wacky science-fantasy garbage.
>>98543949in part because it's a retcon, but probably mostly because of how disingenuous GW has been in communicating to their costumers about the change. personally, I like the new models, and don't really mind the lore change so much, but stuff like them pretending it's always been a thing, and reframing questions about the retcon from an out of universe perspective to an issue of in universe chronology is just insulting.
>>98543949Kids addicted to playing culture war.
>>98543560>when 40k is about hope and faith
Any anon have a scan of the ZM book?
>>98544181Yes.
>>98544220Can I see it?
>>98544033Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia.
>>98544033>and reframing questions about the retcon from an out of universe perspective to an issue of in universe chronology is just insulting.Im sorry, but youre genuinely mentally retarded if you expected a social media team to respond with "yes, its a retcon and heres why we made it". Or discuss the irl doylean side of things in any fucking capacity.
>>98543560>40k is about hope and faithyou fucking retardyou are told the opposite in the opening paragraph of like every codex, why open your mouth if you've never learned anything about the setting
>>98544244https://gofile.io/d/zeXLUdGoSure.
>>98544459Come on anon, you've gotta here them along for a few threads first.
>>98544341That opening paragraph isn't canon. It's better explained in this videohttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YLoSlQjDAXg&pp=0gcJCRMMAYcqIYzv
Ignore the bait, post and discuss HH stuff
98544629>The opening paragraph isn't canonNo (You)s for you
Primed some dudes, its much easier when you have dropper bottles and can make a consistent paint mixture it turns out. Ignore the worlds ugliest xiphon in the background.
>>98544033>it's a retconwe've been over this; the original RT fluff, unlike anything else in the blue book, is weirdly ambiguous, at pains not to gender the Custodes; it only depicts male Custodes, and the only made metal male Custodes in the RT era, but the retcon is making them all-male>but all-male bodyguards are the nor-I mean the Emperor is every dictator in history so he's surely Muammar Qaddafi too and his bodyguards were hot (and also pretty effective for decades)>but mixed militaries are - even the fucking Russians are using women on the front lines, and they've been captive to this manosphere beards-substituted-for-real-jawlines shit for 30 years>b-butnobody cares
>>98545119NTAYRTAh yes, the canonical half eldar ultramarine chief librarian, a very reliable 100% true reference piece to this day. Never mind there's already a Brides of the Emperor you're seemingly totally ignorant of. >muh why do you care so much about this but I have to get my way meme for real This is the problem, that you can't even be honest with why you're forcing changes makes people like myself who would otherwise be unconcerned dislike you and your position.
Lore-keepers of /hhg/, what vehicles would be available to a late Unification Wars / Thunder Warriors-era force? Very early Astartes stuff, pre-Great Crusade. No Land Raiders, obviously, but are Demios Rhinos early enough?
>>98545156Dracosans.
>>98545156No, Rhinos and their variants only became available after the Mars deal.And not the Deimos ones, but the first Mars patterns AKA the RT/2e rhinos, predators, and LRs.Early Imperials used mostly variants of the Malcador chassis.
>>98545219>>98545222Thanks.
>>98545143The Dracosan/Malcador/Minotaur are supposed to be the oldest vehicles going back to Age of Strife in Terra. Several legions still had them by the time the HH happened.The Kratos is also supposed to be a very old tank, but the plastic version represents a later Martian redesign.
>>98545331meant for >>98545156
>>98545331God malcadors are good looking. If I had a bit more cash a SA section with a couple of those would 100% be the go.
>>98545355luv me malcadorI almost fell to my knees when I saw that you couldn't take a valdor for militia, not unless I get an allied solaux detachment. My 30k vraks militia larp army won't be complete without that beauty on the table T_T
>>98545355It's a shame that GW removed Legion Malcadors even from the Legacies rules. Assholes.
>>98545380>>98545379Don't let GW prevent you from having fun. Run it, with appropriate/historical points cost. If your opponent says no, then they don't get a game. Sucks to be them.
>>98545156>late Unification Wars How about early Unification Wars?
>>98545403Considering how often you post that pic, I'm surprise you haven't built one yet. Just do it, anon. Build the chain-phallus of your dreams.
>>98545414First time I've posted it. I saw one on /tg/ once before though. Think about phallus at lot?
>>98545380Id run a legion malcador. Bunch of multi-lasers would go well with my NL.
>>98545422Constantly. This is /tg/.
>>98545423Now you know why legions don't get malcadors Beyond it being lame that those rules basically "hey, you know those vehicles that are the core of your army's aesthetic and unique feel? Yeah the primary army just gets them but better, lol sucks to suck. Yeah I realize the legion ones were just bad, but that's because 99% of vehicles were bad in 1st and 2nd, and the ones that weren't were poorly designed nightmares like the Medusa and armored ceramite flare shield spartans[/spoilers]
>>98545444Understandable.
>>98545456Malcadors initially were overpowered as fuck in 1.0 though. Cheap super-heavy vehicles that could be spammed, zoom around at full speed and fire all weapons whilst not being affected by the vehicle damage chart. Malcadors got nerfed to being regular vehicles after a while, and still seem to be paying penitence for the period they were broken.
>>98545487Theyre decent in 3e
>>98545492That's because multilasers, tactical statuses, and demolisher cannons are good, their main gun is still shit.
>>98545509the battle cannon is also decent. And theyre just well priced for their durability and guns.
>>98545509The Annihilator and the Vanquisher are ok
>>98545509>their main gun is still shit.Which one? The battle cannon? The double las? The vanquisher? Theyre all okay and have their place.
>>98545519nta but what role does the vanquisher have? Nobody plays SA here, only one dude who never has time to play a game but is always whining about how everything SA has sucks ass and is unplayable.
>>98545538>nta but what role does the vanquisher have?Oneshots 5HP vehicles.>>98545538>how everything SA has sucks ass and is unplayable.Hes dumb, SA are good.
>>98545543>Oneshots 5HP vehicles.That sounds real neat. Wish I had the time and money to start SA, they seem to be a really interesting army to play this edition.
>>98545580>That sounds real neat.Eh. Its very hit or miss, literally. Its spooky, but it relies on that 6 to hit.
>>98545584Oh it needs a critical hit for that? Doing 4 HP still sounds good, only need one lascannon hit for that extra 1 or 2 HP
>>98545594>Oh it needs a critical hit for that?Yea. Goes from 4HP to 5HP for the onetap. But yea, you can also supplement it otherwise, but thats the niche.
>>98545331Dracosans are turretless Malcadors??
>>98545331i think the Kratos Heavy Assault Tank is the best tank, i have one but haven't painted it yet.
>>98545390>>98545380>>98545379I wish Malcadors were a new design, rather than an obsolete one. That it was a sort of Super Russ that would lead smaller tanks in breaking enemy lines, and it has Improved Engines for that very reason.Being advanced, they also needed specialized parts and maintenance that end up being lost 10k years later, so Malcadors are slow in 40k because they are stuck in 1st Gear.Nope. Just an old design. That's all the background fluff there is
>>98545673I like how ridiculously oversized its dozer blade is.
>>98545678>That it was a sort of Super Russ that would lead smaller tanks in breaking enemy lines, and it has Improved Engines for that very reason.Conceptually, that's the Macharius (and the Rogal Dorn). Big Russ. You can see why Forgeworld wouldn't want overlapping concepts. I do love the Malcador chassis though.
>>98544697repostan my WE army so far, i've got 20 more despoilers and some reinforcements for veteran breachers coming in the mail. Once those are done the plan is to buy 20 assault marines, a melee contemptor, and a warhound for an event next year
>>98545708The Dorn ain't fast, but I guess it is a "tactical Baneblade". I suppose the Macharius is like a double Russ indeed
>>98545678but the Russ is a super old design as well
>>98545702I like it, its silly, kinda wish there was ramming in HH
>>98545734I think more people should mount knight weapons on the Malcador. >>98545403Not the melee weapons though.
>>98545737Right but it's not obsolete, whereas the Malcadors is obsolete even to Imperial Army, apparently....if we had rules for the actual Army, that is. We only have rules for the SpecOps (Solar Auxilia) who use specialized gear, or Planetary Defense Force tier units (Militia) who do use hand-me-downs
>>98545759Russ to me seems like the Imperium just decided that it was a 'good enough' tank. Easy to use, rugged, can use damn near anything as fuel, tons of variants, and presumably cheaper to produce than the malcador to arm a galactic-scale military with. Versus the malcador where we only see a couple of different variants, it has a weird casemate turret design that is an acknowledged in-universe design pain point, and clearly it's engine is very tempermental. And besides, even if the malcador is 'obsolete', I'm sure plenty of them were used by the Army during the heresy, just based off of the sheer scale of it. My assumption is that the malcador simply fell out of favor in comparison to the russ and the existing stocks were mothballed.
Do primarchs poo?
>>98545156On a related note What backpack fits with thunder armour? It's the old school RB01 style backpack for mk1-3? I thought the old 1998 zerkers used that backpack but they don't. I swear I have that style backpack somewhere but it's probably needed for whatever model it came from :(Although it's a cheap recast of the MK1 spear marine I'm going to use as an epic scale statue so maybe I could use a spellcrow pack and play it as artistic licence.
>>98545792They do need to eat. If nothing came out the other end, primarchs would be inflating to ever more bloated proportions.
>>98545813You could use one of the really old RT metal backpacks. Satyr Art Studio makes similar packs.
>>98545745Anon I think you just like gluing things on the malcador
>>98545734The mecharius was usually described as a second generation baneblade. The rogal dorn is the beefed up leman russ.
>>98545791>Easy to use, rugged, can use damn near anything as fuel, tons of variants, and presumably cheaperSounds like a damn good deal to me. The Malcador does get double the firepower and faster, but pays for it with more mechanical complexity than two Russes put together.So, it's a special applications tank, not an obsolete design. Eh.Same with the Kratos. Kratos rather looks more at home with the Imperial Army because it is heavy and slow (M8"). But marines just HAD to have their own Baneblade, even though they already have the Glaive.
>>98545834Gluing things onto other things is the foundation of this hobby, and also of real-world tank design.
>>98545838>The mecharius was usually described as a second generation banebladeIt's basically a Long Russ. A Ruusss. A Russmoussine.
>>98545791Malcador has always been in use and production, no matter how marginal.
>>98545853Man, vengeance weapon batteries were such good kits. Except for making vengeance weapon batteries.
>>98545847>Kratos rather looks more at home with the Imperial ArmyIt doesent. It doesent share design language with either the SA or later IG. Its closest design relative is the sicaran (because whats basically what it is, a very big sicaran). It also lacks what makes a baneblade "a baneblade", which is the double "big gun" element. The marine baneblade is the fellblade (duh), which does have that.
>>98545156yeah all the nu backpacks are trash
>>98544697MkII my beloved
>>98545936Oh true, the demolisher hull gun. I just wish the Kratos moved at 10" instead of glacial 8". It's unbecoming of a space marine to go that slow. Only if their legion has a skull or fist on their shoulder, perhaps.
>>98545998Have you not read its lore? The kratos was made in the period where marine tactics boiled down to marching infantry formations, anchored by armoured support. The kratos is glacially slow, because it was only expected to move at the same pace as marines moving at combat pace. As the legions' tactics evolved to more mobile and fluid strategies, other tanks were created like the sicaran to be more suited to the new style of warfare.
>>98546012>in the period where marine tactics boiled down to marching infantry formationsHalf the time that's the current tactics. A mile-wide line of marines walking towards the front, killing as they go
>>98546031total war 40k
>>98545825those would be fitting but I assume they are quite expensive? I guess I'll troll ebay until I find a suitable backpack. On buildings I at least found a use for my grim vaping addiction. The boxes are perfectly sized for epic scale commieblocks or skyscrapers. I just have to cover them in thicker card, cut out windows and doors out of the card (so they are reassessed) then coat the outer card in very fine sand (for basic texture) or a thicker application of 90s GW sand/PVA filler for some "its grimdark up north" roughcast/pebbledash cladding.I'm still making a prototype.
>>98544697how far we've fallen
>>98546160we are truly in the age.......of Darkness.
>>98545998I think it helps it feel different. Its a giant tank from ages past, it feels powerful but often impractical.
>>98546181>from ages pastIt's not that old. The Kratos is a design crested specifically for marines, but the entire Crusade lasted 200 years.
>>98546226>The Kratos is a design crested specifically for marinesThat was nontheless being phased out. Its the MKII/MKIII armor of tanks.
>>98546226>200 years>Not that old
>>98546247In 40k several marines are centuries old. 200 years isn't that much for them.Things from the early Unification, which lasted 700 years, now that would be old.
>>98546228the best marks of armor, imagine my shock.
>>98546295It's old when marines themselves are undergoing rapid technological development from both reclaimed stcs and Martian innovation. The model t is around 120 years old, that doesn't make it not extremely outdated by modern standards.
Finished a despoiler vexilla dude tonight. Still painting the bronze on the other 19.>>98545721Hot
>>98546408>by modern standardsMere 20 years is extremely outdated by our modern standards x.x
>>98546128wtf that looks like the Epstein island building
>>98546439Lovely
>>98546439This is the most properly-retardedly-blood-crazed looking WE I’ve ever seen. Good work anon! I hope the rest of your army keeps up the theme. Where is said head from? I have similar theme but less pronounced as they’re BA. I don’t want one but I’m curious where it’s from since it’s unfamiliar. Cheers.
do you guys ever feel bad when the friend you play with the most loses like 90% of the games?
>>98546761Thanks>>98546908It's the bare head from the old World Eaters MkII upgrade kit + some greenstuff and fishing line.
>>98545813>>98546128>What backpack fits with thunder armour? I'd use a "Mars pattern", the one that came with the old MK2/3 kits. It's supposed to have been originally designed in Terra along Crusade armour before the alliance with Mars.> I thought the old 1998 zerkers used that backpack but they don't.Those used a chaosified version of the above. Although in reality they were released in 1994 for 2nd ed. CSM and later FW reimagined for MK2/3 how they original would have looked.
>>98545661>Dracosans are turretless Malcadors??Yes. These things clearly weren't designed with a turret ring in mind, so it makes sense that the Malcador with its casemate cannon came later. A compromise to cover the need for tanks because there wasn't any other option.The Dracosan, or a pre-Solar Auxilia version of it, is probaby the oldest variant of the chassis. If you think about it, it clearly fits the "Explorator" vehicle role that we're told was common during the Dark Age of Technology among low tech colonists.
>>98544326they're under no obligation to answer random twitter comments. if they're not willing to address the question, they shouldn't reply to them at all
>>98543502What’s wrong with them?
>>98544981Xiphon turned out like ass, turns out forgetting to wash the resin was a REALLY big mistake. Primed the whole thing over with chaos black, hopefully this provides a better coverage 2nd time round, so the paint actually sticks when I do silver > blue.
>>98547382Nah you gotta wash and scrub that xiphon, let is soak overnight too. No amount of undercoats can defeat mold release agent.
>>98547519Idk, the second coat seems to have stuck fairly well, none of the pooling or weird lack of coverage spots from the first time round.. It still looks like ass, but thats because I fucked it filling in the gaps during assembly.
>>98545855Even as a piss fag i hate the Dorn, i really wished with that awful krieg plastic release they made a plastic version of the Macharius with more sponsons option
Talking about tanks, can Solar Auxilia take tank commander outside Russes?
Primarchs are capeshit.
>>98547636And warhammer content creators were a mistake.
>>98547565no, but there is a high command dracosan
>>98548006>>98548006>>98548006
>>98542996Figures you're a Gurafag.
