>>98538742
Of coruse they did, they can't come up with a better visual for visuals.

>>98538740
Wyld Barbarians are just the easier way to introduce something like shinobi without fucking with no many parts of the setting without just making them a few dragon blooded clans with a bunch of supernatural power that sound kind of dumb.

>>98538876
Big fucking cliche I know, but any Air hearthstone that radiates cold is a favorite across a dozen campaigns. Having easy refrigeration in a setting without electricity is a massive boon, way too few people realize this. Same for Gossiping Stones.

>>98539001
>Wyld Barbarians are just the easier way to introduce something like shinobi without fucking with no many parts of the setting without just making them a few dragon blooded clans with a bunch of supernatural power that sound kind of dumb.
I get that, but they could also be descendants of some powerful god or demon, or blessed by one, or remnants of some First Age Solar's project, or something like that. Nothing wrong with them being Wyld Barbarians, either.

>>98539001
They would be enlightened martial artists; the hidden part, of their villages' names, refers to their trade secrets.
Bloodline powers are just it, supernatural powers passed through blood that originated from N sources.

>>98539056
Yeah, they could be descendants of the silver forest given Kaguya's whole deal with the chakra fruit. You could have a demon that inhabits them like a parasite, explaining a lot of their oddities.

>>98539129
Enlightened martial artists are mainly a 2e thing, right? I can't remember mortals having access to supernatural bullshit like that.

>>98539224
They were also in 1e, and 3e also has them but their mechanics are spread around instead of unified.

>Kaguya.
Using later Naruto, the bloodlines would end up as separate splats.

>>98539249
>Using later Naruto, the bloodlines would end up as separate splats.
Fair.

>>98539020
That's pretty neat, just not much to say.

>>98539291
Depending on how you do it, the sharingan could also end up like the mystery cult from Chronicles of Darkness.
A merit that gives other Merits.

For example.
>● to ●●●●●
>Gain a bonus equal to the dots in this merit to perception rolls based on vision, when the sharigan is active.
>Certain dots give extra effects like seeing ephemeral beings or ongoing effects.

>>98539386
The sharingan is such an everything power you would need an infernal charm tree to replicate it.

>>98538876
guardian stone (sidereal3)
the stone of save your ass/your bro's ass exactly when needed AND the stone of saving cool ass moments with free rerolls.

the only hearthstone i ever made was a lame but practical one. powerstones are hearthstones with no power but count as 1 level better (max 5) for all effects related to hearthstone levels. comes in all flavors of hearthstone.

Does it say what kind of mundane metallurgy is used in general for the different parts of Creation?
I imagine The Realm can make various types of steel, but reserves it for weapons and armor for higher up legion commanders (and to mix it with jade for artifact alloys) and high quality tools. They probably have a lot of wrought or cast iron they use for legion equipment and civilian tools and equipment.
The Threshold nations probably have access to some steel, but don't have the sheer volume the Realm can produce. They probably rely on wrought/cast iron and have bronze in poorer regions.
Western island nations and tribes that lost infrastructure and trade in the Great Contagion/Balor Crusade probably had to resort to bronze and maybe even copper tools if the knowledge loss was steep enough.
For everybody else I guess it depends on how badly their metallurgy knowledge and production bases got ripped open in the Great Contagion/Balor Crusade. Throw a dart at the wall to see how much they kept. Worst probably got knocked down to stone or copper.
People that live near Fae probably had to keep that knowledge or they got wiped out.

>>98539419
Yes, it was mentioned up thread, that merit was the beginning of the series version of it.

>even basic spirit enemies like dogs of the broken earth and blood-apes have Excellencies in 2E
I thought 3E Blood Apes were rough...

>>98539452
Fair enough.

>>98539443
>Does it say what kind of mundane metallurgy is used in general for the different parts of Creation?
Individual locations and cultures have descriptions of their tech level, but there are no rules to roll a random settlement and see what they are capable of. On average you will find a bunch of Bronze Age gear unless you are under the banner of a group with magical bullshit, such as a craftsman deity or a vassal of the realm getting steel in exchange for exotic slaves and goods.

Mind if I ask for your help, /exg/? I'm working on a little project to revamp Martial Arts across the board. I'm going to need every source, no matter how obscure or trivial, about the themes and concepts in every Martial Art in the game.

>>98539777
You might as well read every book then.
Memes aside what is the goal and what version are you using?

>>98539785
>Memes aside what is the goal and what version are you using?
3e but I might do a 2e hack if I have enough autism left once I'm done. The intent is to revamp MA from just a set of Charms that are often less shiny than native Charms into something more fitting with the spirit of a deeply weaboo game: Not a collection of powers, but a series of deep philosophical and spiritual practices and studies that unlock transformative revelations in the practitioner, imbuing them with power directly flowing from the enlightenment they've reached. Martial Arts should be transformative, make a statement about who the practitioner is and that statement should be expressed in visible and awe-inspiring ways. A master martial artist should be a great and terrible example of what wisdom and power they've unleashed through the intensity of their studies to the point they've come to embody a concept. And they should be cool enough to make players seriously consider picking them up instead of Sorcery, given they compete directly for room in the same chapter. 3e MA should be as cool as 3e made Sorcery.

>>98539828
So you want to make all Martial Arts SMA?

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>>98539848
>So you want to make all Martial Arts SMA?
Picrel. Or at least something players might actually want to purchase with their hard-won XP and become genuinely invested in rather than an afterthought.

>>98540201
I understand where you're coming from
A system where you could invest deeper into a single Martial Art could be neat
I think additional Charms might be too much, but maybe you could buy Merits that enhance certain actions
Like if you flurry a Move/Rush-Attack enhanced with only Tiger Style you accrue less penalties
That's not a very "mystical" example, but it's something

>>98540389
>A system where you could invest deeper into a single Martial Art could be neat
Yes, and also even more of a pipe dream: Make the archetype of the martial artist that seeks to master all styles actually doable.

>I think additional Charms might be too much, but maybe you could buy Merits that enhance certain actions
>Like if you flurry a Move/Rush-Attack enhanced with only Tiger Style you accrue less penalties
>That's not a very "mystical" example, but it's something
That's neat, though what I wanted to elaborate on was non-combat utility and roleplaying potential. Let's take Tiger Style for example. What kind of training does one need to undergo to get started on understanding the mysteries of the style? What meditations does one need to perform on which concepts to mentally prepare for unlocking the mystical insights that unlock mastery of Tiger Style Charms? What changes does the stylist undergo, mentally, metaphysically and even bodily, as he gradually comes to embody the concept of the Tiger as part of mastering the style? And on a more prosaic level, what does that translate into in terms of mechanics besides "punch gooder"?

>>98539622
dont be mistaken, 2nd ed blood apes are only a threat if you are not combat built at all. them having excellencies mean very little since their dice cap is their essence rating.

>>98540554
Blood Apes also don't have perfects IIRC and are pretty easy to kill. They can flurry though so you need some kind of flurry breaker.

>>98540554
Ah I was looking for a dice cap for them and couldn't find one

>>98540201
Bruh, just give them freebie points rather than XP and things should be more manageable.

>>98540415
Let's see... Given tiger's camouflage bullshit I think you could have them vanish from creation while stalking someone as a form of meditation.
The problem is that is kind of nonsense all things considered.

>>98540415
>Make the archetype of the martial artist that seeks to master all styles actually doable.
You could rig something up with the Bridge keyword in 3E or use that as a basis for something

>>98540757
Wasn't there a Sorcerer Charm that halfed the cost of spells in exchange for making everything else twice as expensive?
You could have that for MAs.

>>98536363
I mean I definitely see something in Exalted I like compared to other tabletop games: a place which encourages to radically change the game world from the get-go and places which let you be superhuman in any area you want. Don't get me wrong, I think there are ways Ex3 can be improved, but even I feel like I've hit bedrock and can't really advance without starting something from scratch to address this.

The sad truth is that the game probably needed more time to iron out some edges, but by doing that they would've caused a bunch of people to jump ship (including myself).

>>98536404
You ALWAYS find these bootlickers. I swear some people either expect you to be a blackpiller doomer or someone that showers something they like with glowing praise. I consider the latter to be far worse. Look what happened to Concord. One is capable of giving critique about something in order to improve the product, and if you don't like it then that's not my problem.

I'm still fucking salty about how some of my criticisms/fixes were shot down by people, only to see those same people glowingly praise the devs and writing team for doing the exact same thing. Christ, it's like people literally look for opinions to be fed online and dogmatically adhere to them.

>>98540673
in 2nd ed, gods, demons, fey and sidereal have a dice cap of essence. i dont remember for ghost, enlightened mortals and dragonkings/jadeborn.

>>98540789
sorcery focus, its a merit.

>>98540822
None of the editions have had rules that make the game a workable kingdom/x4 sim sadly. At that point I'd think you'd have to go digital but I also don't know what kind of table top games pull that off so maybe I'm wrong.

For the devs, well. There is clearly a large amount of drama there and the fandom, like all fandoms, has stupid people. Just look at the other thread and how people just refused to accept the obvious Uzumaki reference. If someone doesn't want to believe something you won't change them. Ambush rules are another example of drama because you can see the games that were played before the errata. It's just bad balance and game design that I'm sure was pointed out.

I've come to the conclusion that there are mechanics and things that the devs like and those will be in the game if said devs work on a product. Vance seems to be behind the perfect paradigm in 2e and 3e, some other devs seems to be huge into dice tricks (I like these actually, they are just used as filler which sucks) and another who really likes sub-systems, which I also agree with. Breaking down what comes from where though I don't know how that'd be possible. I personally don't like keeping track of tokens but crafting freaks gonna freak.

>>98540822
>Christ, it's like people literally look for opinions to be fed online and dogmatically adhere to them
The same thing happened to the hero keyword, some people will only go with what is official no matter what

>>98540847
Wasn't it called Birgeit heir or Path of Petash?

>>98540851
Vance wasn't a writer when the perfect paradigm came into being Check how nonsolars are affected by his ambush paradigm, bitg defensively and offensively, to see why he did it

>>98540822
Don't worry Sandact, it's not a sin to know when to quit.

>>98541051
Quit? You haven't seen my next project yet.

>>98539056
>>98539224
One idea for bloodlines is having them be the result of clans descended from a genocided Primordial race. Each clan's Kekkei Genkai is a small Charm tree, each of which is just a piece of the full-blooded ancestor's full Charmset.

>>98539443
The Realm has steel, for sure. Nexus produces iron on a large scale and sells iron tools across the East and beyond. I'm not sure if bronze being the material of poorer regions makes that much sense. Obviously it depends on the availability of copper and tin, which doesn't have to be similar to real world in Creation, but IRL iron is a whole lot more abundant than either copper or tin, and obviously not reliant on having both of those materials. I kind of doubt whether a society that's once been capable of ironworking would lose that ability and move to bronzeworking out of necessity. IRL at least in the MENA region and Europe bronze-making was reliant on quite a widescale and long-ranging network of trade, and disruption in that network was a major driving force behind move to widescale use of iron, with early Iron Age being in many ways poorer and more primitive than the Late Bronze Age. If things work similarly to Creation, I'd expect a region that engages in large-scale trade to obtain copper and/or tin and therefore must have regular contact with other regions to also learn of iron metallurgy through those connections, even if they had at some point lost that. So, iron for the most part and steel for some of the more advanced cultures and steel weapons as expensive, high-status imports among less advanced cultures would be my impression. Not that I can point to any specific source right now to back that up, so take it with a grain of salt.

>Just look at the other thread and how people just refused to accept the obvious Uzumaki reference.
Because, anon, it's also an obvious Werewolf: the Apocalypse reference, and, not sure why this even needs to be repeated, there's literally no reason for devs to lie about what it's referencing.

>Vance seems to be behind the perfect paradigm in 2e and 3e
Vance wasn't a writer until late 2E, so he obviously wasn't responsible for something that's rooted in basic mechanics in 2E core.

>>98541366
Latter part of this post being in response to >>98540851, of course.

>>98541300
That could be a pretty cool idea, actually. Not just a good way to do a Naruto reference, but it could actually be a cool thing to have in the setting.

>>98541366
I'll have to double check that Vance thing because someone so in denial about an obvious Ito reference clearly can't be trusted.

>>98541374
>Not just a good way to do a Naruto reference, but it could actually be a cool thing to have in the setting.
The setting already had it with the Lyntha, I don't think we ever got their charms

>>98541418
Why are you in denial about an obbious Apocalypse refeence, though...? But go ahead and check Vance's writing credits. I believe that Compass: Autochthonia, Masters of Jade and Shards were the only 2E books he was involved in, and then he's worked on every 3E book starying with the core. IIRC he was in college when he was working on 3E core - I used to follow development pretty closely then, and the 3E team then was pretty active on various forums - so he was probably a middle schooler or something like that back when the 2E core was written.

>>98541366
That's a good point with bronze availability vs iron availability, and knowledge of ironworking spreading through trade

>>98541453
That said, I could see some part of Creation favoring bronze for other reasons. Maybe it's pleasing to a locally prominent god, maybe there's a tresty with a neighboring bunch of Fair Folk that includes a clause about not mining or importing iron, or something else along those lines.

There's something seriously wrong with this discussion about Aiun.
The "it is totally from Apocalypse" party defensiveness reminds me of that anon who had a meltdown once it was pointed out that 1e Raksi was more depraved than she was memed as being.

>>98541445
>Why are you in denial about an obbious Apocalypse refeence, though.
Anon... you are coming as delusional.

>>98541474
It's a spooky spiral in a game with White Wolf legacy. So far I haven't really heard much of an argument for why it being a referemce to the Black Spiral Labyrinth would be umbelievable. I guess I'll bow out of this discussion at least until something new is said on the subject, though.

>>98541487
Anon... I played Apocalypse, I know full well that Spiral isn't remotely like Apocalypse's beyond both having spiral in their names.

>White Wolf legacy
White Wolf legacy is also outright copy-pasting passages of books for their lore, and Sidereals also had a blatant reference to Junji Ito's the hole.

>>98541445
I can see it being a mix of both because if I was a White Wolf dev who had Black Spiral Dancers and then wanted to weeb out with Ito my dick would be rock hard. This is besides the point tho because it's clearly an Ito thing.

>Vance wasn't even in college yet he couldn't have worked on 2e core.

That would actually make things a bit difficult. Maybe he's just a fan of the perfect paradigm.

>>98541474
>There's something seriously wrong with this discussion about Aiun.
To me the problem is that there's no particular reason anyone should give a shit to begin with. Yes, the developers are asshats, we know, we've always known. I don't think anybody's been surprised that the developers did stupid shit and took credit for patently transparent rips from other franchises, and whether it's Ito or WtA does nothing to change that they've taken from elsewhere and claimed it for their own. Big fucking whoop.

>>98541584
3E doesn't have anything like 2E's perfect paradigm. Ambushes may be too powerful, but they're not a problem on anywhere near the same level. I don't know if anyone's a fan of paranoia combat, really. It's not like it was something 2E devs intentionally chose to design but a consequence of design flaws.

>>98540843
Ghosts and enlightened mortals generally don't have access to excellencies so they don't have a dice cap per se. Where they would, it's based on the kind of other charms they're using/getting access to. The Jadeborn also aren't made with access to Excellencies, but they have a number of charms that convert dice to successes or add some virtue or similarly limited bonus to rolls. Given their limited access to things not in their patterns, the limits may as well be Virtue and being able to have a standing Att+Ability pool of 13. The dragon kings don't have excellencies, but they do have much better access to things like that. Their die caps are Path rating if it's a Path adding to their rolls, and Ability for other stuff.

>>98542335
There is a glaringly one, plagiarism.
Once they failed and refused to give Ito is due credits, they lost any credibility as writers.

Holy shit. It's just an Ito reference. It's not plagiarism and if people are too stupid to see the obvious commonality then that's their problem. It's literally less then a page in a whole RPG book.

You are allowed to love things and put things like them in your books. If you make a giant laser beam charm because the Kamehameha is super cool that's not plagiarism. That just shows you love Dragon Ball. For the devs being liars, well, what the fuck else is new.

>>98542567
>Hyper lethality
>Mechanic that can one shot unless countered by a limited resource.
>Splitting defense charms into two different subcategories.
>A favoritism towards dodge being the strongest defensive arch-type.
>A mechanic that makes it so players feel a need to homebrew perfect defences in order to handle it.
>A "base defense" where if your kit doesn't have it you leave yourself open to being one shot.
>High health pool is considered a way to deal with this even though in practice it doesn't work like that because of the damage numbers.

It's the same shit. It's also hard to argue about things being the same when I know the people I'm talking to can miss the single most obvious reference to ever reference. Or parody or whatever you want to call it. This Ito thing is profoundly silly. Ito is cool. We need more Ito stuff in games. DnD shouldn't be the only thing allowed to 'borrow' stuff.

>>98542950
2E's problem was that it was hyper lethal as a baseline, and you couldn't really avoid that, hence perfect spam. Having a specific tactic that's too lethal isn't compsrable to that. The easiest solution to that is just a gentleman's agreement to not overdo ambushes. Obviously it's not great to have a mechanic that's best avoided, but the very fact that you can just not use ambushes or only use them rarely already makes a world of difference to 2E. Also you need specific circumstances to pull off an ambush, while in 2E those potentially one-shotting attacks were just regular, spammable strikes, and that is also a big difference in lethality between the editions.

>>98543125
In 2E you needed Combos right? You couldn't just layer every Reflexive/Supplemental Charm onto an ambush attack you can in 3E without having to invest in it

>>98543125
I don't disagree with this but the similarities are still there and damn strong. You're not surviving an ambush attack as a player or as an NPC unless you have those anti-ambush charms even if you're a super tank. You'd need to be an infernal with a free revive to full HP.

I'm going to try and drop the ambush topic because I haven't talked to a math guy about it in awhile. From my understanding the whole "spamming it" was actually possible and damn near impossible to resist but I am not even going to attempt the math on this.

>>98543164
No one used combos. Buying a charm that you can't use because you need to put it in a combo first sucked really bad from what I remember. It becomes an issue when you have a lot of charms but isn't one till then.

>>98543170
I mean, you definitely can tank an ambush. It's not like they do more damage that regular decisives by default. They're nasty but not automatic instant death.

>I'm going to try and drop the ambush topic because I haven't talked to a math guy about it in awhile. From my understanding the whole "spamming it" was actually possible and damn near impossible to resist but I am not even going to attempt the math on this.
Do you really need a math guy to just look at the ambush Charms and see that they require specific conditions that make them difficult to spam? I'm willing to believe that there are specific builds that break the game by exploiting ambushes, and they're a bit too much even without exploits, but having specific game breaking builds is still pretty far from 2E's issues.

>>98543193
>It's not like they do more damage that regular decisives by default. They're nasty but not automatic instant death.
Isn't the problem that you can't use defensive Charms against an Ambush? While your opponent can juice up their attack to annihilate you.

>>98543178
The more it is talked about, the more I believe that the real problems are the charm tree design and the devs attempts of keeping the players away from their own charms.

>>98543207
There are still charms you can use but it specifically has to say it can be used against ambushes. It also sets your defense to 0. But yes, they are hyper lethal. Thematically they're also best defended against by things that have your character dodge, meaning the highest damage stuff is defended by something that goes against a "tank" theme. It's been awhile since I've gone over this stuff though and I might be wrong on some details.

>>98543193
>Do you really need a math guy.
Yes. desu I trust a math guys. I'm still reeling from that Ito thing. It's the most obvious reference in the world. If people can't see that then what else can't they see. The math for ambushes as explained to me is extremely fucked and the theming is just lame.

But you know what, if no math person is coming around to back me up then maybe I'm wrong. I have a hard time accepting that but maybe.

Re: the ongoing discussion about materials, do remember this is also a high fantasy setting and some nations/communities have esoteric resources particular to them. Just a few examples pulled directly from core:

>Special Materials
>Various unusual materials can be found all across Creation. Armaments made from these usually cost one dot of resources more than normal, and this cost can increase to two dots in regions far from where they’re normally found.
>Chiaroscuro Glass
>In portions of the South, especially near the city of Chiaroscuro, armorers make weapons and armor from crimson shards of the city’s almost indestructible FirstAge glass. Unlike metal armaments, which rust, chip and require regular polishing and oiling, weapons and armor made from Chiaroscuro glass require almost no care because the glass is so durable.
>Feathersteel
>In portions of the far North, especially in the Haslanti League, miners find veins of feathersteel in the ice-covered mountains. Feathersteel is a light metal that also has the virtue of not rusting. Feathersteel armaments never rust and are somewhat lighter than normal. All armor made from feathersteel gains the silent tag (p. 593).
>Ironwood
In portions of the forests of the East, especially near the regions ruled by the Republic of Halta, woodworkers know the secret of making wood as hard as steel. Ironwood arms and armor require as much care as similar metal equipment, but are made from wood. Ironwood armor gains the buoyant tag (p. 593). Unlike other special materials, in the region where they’re made, ironwood armaments cost no more than normal. Elsewhere, they costs one resource dot more.

>>98543361
>>Feathersteel
I wonder if it is based on Titanium

>>98543390
Aluminium.

>>98543361
does the West have any exotic materials for metallurgy? I can't think of any.

>>98543621
>armor made of the shells of giant grabs
>coats of magically treated kelp to make them hard as chainmail
>magical narwhal horn swords
Just some ideas.

>>98540851
>None of the editions have had rules that make the game a workable kingdom/x4 sim sadly.
A good basis for making one I think would be Population. Higher and/or more quality your Population is the more you can perform nation/kingdom wide actions with them. Raising armies, growing food, artisans and craftsmen, commerce/trade, building/rebuilding infrastructure, all require your limited Population resource.
>>98543693
>armor made of the shells of giant grabs
I know you mean crabs here, but I had a horrific image of Wyld-mutated crabs who instead of giant claws have giant human hands they use to crush people to death
I like these ideas for substitute materials

>>98543751
>I know you mean crabs here, but I had a horrific image of Wyld-mutated crabs who instead of giant claws have giant human hands they use to crush people to death
Heh. Also, another idea. Doesn't Siakal have a sword made of shark teeth? Maybe some Western nations use Thaumaturgy to "melt" shark teeth and mold them into weapons with a wicked serrated edge.

>>98543776
On the idea of serrated weapons, maybe some special type of obsidian that's treated, bad for armor, but excellent as a weapon

>>98538876
Ex2e taught me to love the freedom stone.
In 1E I liked the Monkey Stone.

>>98543826 (me)
Thinking on obsidian further, I wonder if obsidian could be used as a component to the lost recipe of Chiaroscuran glass
Obsidian is a glass and very sharp, and you could source a lot of obsidian from the volcanoes further South
Of course, glass is also made of sand which they have plenty of in the South, so maybe I'm just barking up the wrong tree.

>>98543164
>>98543230
I think the problem was a lack of playtesting and the fact that Exalts are essentially mortals without their Charms, while all the artifact weapons were intended to instant kill heroic mortals with minimal effort (if you'll notice, the original Grand Daiklave did 12L damage; combined with 3 Strength and 1 bonus success that was doubled by HTT, it would do 17L presoak damage. Against anyone without seriously heavy artifact armor, which cost more in Artifacts and attunement motes than the weapons themselves, it was fatal or close to it. So that's the hyper lethality baseline established. The main strategies to deal with it were high DVs, which Solar Charms could get easily, backed by perfect spam and/or perfect soaks.

A lot of nasty attack Charms could cut clean through your DVs (perfect attack, DV halving or negating, etc.). This is why you had a perfect defense in store to pick them off.

The solution to that was spamming attacks with regular flurries or Extra Action Charms to make the enemy burn motes and WP to defend against you until they ran out of resources. Hacking through their HLs was almost a formality at that point.

To deal with flurries, you had to use flurrybreakers; either hard shutdown flurrybreakers or just jumping out of the way. All these defenses need Charms, and you need all these Charms ready at all times or you're easily ganked. From this was born the "battle-state Combo", which strung all your defenses together along with an Excellency and other reflexives you might want, because Reflexives are not mandatory to use, unlike Supplementals and Extra Actions.
(1/2)

>>98543776
>Maybe some Western nations use Thaumaturgy to "melt" shark teeth and mold them into weapons with a wicked serrated edge.
Shark teeth macuahuitls would be a similar more readily accessible weapon that wouldn't require thaumaturgy or other supernatural skills. How good a material would shark teeth be, though? If we do bring thaumaturgy into it, I guess material properties of teeth might be less important than sort of a thematic resonance, though, with a weapon made of shark teeth drawing on sharks' fearsome and predatory nature or something of the sort.

>>98543944
While I don't think there's anything wrong with obsidian being a component of Chiaroscuran glass, considering that it's a First Age material, it might just be based on completely artificial materials in facilities that no longer function, or, indeed, be made of regular sand, just through some superior long-lost procedure. Obsidian is cool enough that it definitely deserves to have some kind of a presence in Creation, though. I think obsidian that's been treated in a way that makes it a competitive material for weapons even for societies with access to iron is a good idea.

>>98543999
(I forgot to mention that there were various other ways to chop down DVs like Surprise, which is why you needed a surprise negator in your Combo too, among other things).

Your offensive stuff like Supplemental and Extra Action Charms went into "killcombos", which were basically the biggest attack you could muster to try and crack a defense, or punish a weakness of the enemy. You couldn't combine them because as mentioned earlier, Supp/ExAct forced you to use them, so you had to hold them in reserve.

You also had to keep pulling off 2d stunts to keep fueling the WP expenditure for the battlestate Combo, because otherwise you'd be stuck with one defense method which a proper killcombo could chew through easily. It led to 2e combat being rocket tag and very turtly at the same time, and resources being more important than actual HLs.

2.5 tried to change that by just letting you use all your Charms at all times (this is not accurate, but it's 2:40 am here and I can't be arsed to elaborate), recosting perfects, and incentivizing non-perfects, while also redoing the numbers for weapons, mote costs and so on. But Exalted really needed a 3e-level system remake, and 3e's system... still wasn't good enough.

>>98544026
Steelsilk is an example of a natural material that's been strengthened through thaumaturgy, no reason why obsidian couldn't benefit.

>>98544035
It will always be funny how thanks for the way stunts work, low Essence characters spam charms at the level of elders, "masquerade" be damned.

>>98544334
Not the case anymore, thanks to the quick fix of Essence regeneration per turn.

>>98544367
Not really, the system's problems caused by elderlike charm spam continued.

>>98544381
What part of characters being able to use their powers frequently is supposed to be a problem?

>>98544413
The devs accidentally caused an arms race that neither them or the players could handle, it was common for people to burn themselves out from stunting so much.

>>98544453
Well, that's a problem that doesn't continue in 3E, then.

>>98544488
3e standardized the arms race with supernal...

>>98543361
is that 3rd edition?

>>98544035
i made a zelda based exalted type (and setting) with each aspect using a different magical material.

pearl(air), obsidian(fire), amber(earth) and coral(water) are all natural material treated with thaumaturgy.

>>98544641
Yeah that's from 3E core

>lintha, necromancer, exalted as solar

Is this too much of a special girl?

>>98544897
Nah, she's good

>>98544897
>Points at Janest
>Points at Maiden of the Mirthless Smile
>Points at the fate incel Sidereal leading the Getimians that PD'd Saturn out of ordaining his death
It's an adequate amount of being a special girl.

>>98545635
Yeah you're playing Exalted, it's fine to be a special girl. The hard thing is playing someone with a basic past/who is just a farmer.

My greatest RPG weakness is that I love starting in taverns or dudes who were just a farmer last week and Exalted well. It's not AGAINST that but it's not really who you're meant to play. You're more... meant to play a farmer who tried to save his village or something. It's another reason I love infernals in both editions because you can play up the "Fuck, I sucked." aspect.

>>98543178
>No one used combos.
My GM enforced combos
And also halved XP gain as he thought things became too powerful.

It was the only exalted game I could find in my language at the time.

>>98545648
I feel like at a certain point, playing that one dude who just got Exalted because he was a slightly more cool person than usual and won a drinking contest IS a sort of special girl in Exalted specifically, where it seems taken as a given everyone Chosen has a certain amount of adversity, passion or in some editions active intervention by divine powers behind their selection. Also, Panther jokes aside having some kind of inner epiphany seems to be a valid Exaltation trigger.

>>98544665
I would have used magic-treated fulgurites for air, but the logic for the others is sound.

>>98545635
>Maiden of the Mirthless Smile
Who?

>>98545658
I love this.

>>98545933
One of the death lords no one remembers or at least a major underworld figure that no one uses enough to remember.

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>>98545933
She's the iconic Dusk Caste for 1e and 2e. I like her art and daiklave but she's a shit person

>>98546098
oh the lady that the Bull was fighting in that one comic

>>98546098
I didn't know her hands were red.

>>98539001
>a few dragon blooded clans with a bunch of supernatural power that sound kind of dumb.
You say this but the forest witches have had a writeup in every single edition of exalted.

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>>98546098
>she's a shit person
So is every abyssal that isn't the archer guy, mirror flag's ex boyfriend, and that Zenith who the Boddhisatva corrupted.

>>98543621
I think it would pretty damn hard to obtain, first because there's very little land in the West, and second it's not like people will know or find materials deep in the ocean.
I think Wavecrest has active volcanoes so there's that.

When people talk about tiger soldiers, they mean the guys trained using the war charm, right?
So archers, greatswords, cavalry can all be tiger soldiers as long as they are trained using the charm.
Do the other exalted types have their own super soldier training charms?

>>98546158
Tiger Warriors are the product of Tiger Warrior Training Technique and yes any soldiers/warriors trained under it are Tiger Warriors though I'm uncertain if they're called that in-universe

>>98546113
Well, she's a psychopath who murdered animals, her pets, her maid, her parents, then walked up to Masky to murder him (but got killed in turn) so it makes sense that her hands are red. They're probably gloves or something. Maybe that blood armor charm abyssals have.

>>98546135
She just really stands out as a pretty fucked up person among the Abyssals. Iconic Midnight is a murder prostitute priestess who was the Pokemon Champion of STDs and wants to degrade everyone to her level. Iconic Daybreak is a maddo scientist relative of Ragara Bhagwei, but his interest is just clinical. There is a Midnight Caste who leans into the whole "speaker of the dead thing". The Shoats of the Mire have always been brainwashed child soldiers so they're not fully responsible for their own actions.

>>98546158
Tiger-Warriors is the catchall term for elite troops mass produced by Tiger-Warrior Training technique, yes. It is notable that in 2e, even kids, cripples, elderly and anons would become the equivalent of 1950s US Marines after a month of that training regimen and Tier 1 special forces with a bit more experience after that.

Abyssals use their own version of TWTT called Ruthless Killer Technique or something, forgot the exact name. It removes compassion and gives valor and the expansion eventually turns them into creatures of darkness with undead-level perfect morale.

DBs have their own training Charms but they're not as comprehensive or powerful as the Solar version. In general it just improves their discipline rather than fundamentally reshaping them like TWTT does. However they have Tiger-Dragon Drill Approach which lets them act as conduits for TWTT.

Sidereals don't have training Charms, IIRC. Neither do Alchemicals, though I might be wrong. They definitely have mass combat Charms, but nothing that improves the baseline troops quality through magical means.

>>98546188
I think they were called Tiger Warriors in Cult of the Illuminated. Specifically at Kether Rock.

>>98546192
I saw the charm's duration is one week. So does this mean after a week all the tiger soldiers turn back to normal, so you need at least weekly training to maintain the force? Or is the effect permanent and can even last past the Solar's death?

>>98546272
It means that the training takes a week, and then they're permanently buffed afterwards. You don't activate it and give them immediate stats, the charm's duration describes their training time and if it's cancelled halfway through the charm has no effect.

This is described in the charm. Which, if you saw it's duration, you could easily have read.

>>98546192
>I think they were called Tiger Warriors in Cult of the Illuminated. Specifically at Kether Rock.
I checked and they were refered to as such. Though as "tiger warriors" rather than "Tiger Warriors"
It's an interesting book to be certain. Having the standard be 4 years of training before the Solars are released on Creation is interesting. I like the idea of "The Tea Gardens of Yu-Shan" group they posit as well.
Joseph One-Shoe being an in-universe name for a Sidereal hit me like a truck
>>98546272
As long as they complete the training they get to keep whatever got improved, even if the Solar died.

>>98546192
>Well, she's a psychopath who murdered animals, her pets, her maid, her parents, then walked up to Masky to murder him (but got killed in turn)
So fantasy female Patrick Bateman, got it.

>>98546291
The naming sense in that book was weird. Like, one of the Dawns is called Michael.

>>98546272
A lot of people have already said that a single week permanently transforms the tiger warriors, but if you continuously train them for a month or so I think they can level up even more. Like, there used to be three main categories of troops in 2e (green, average, elite). One week of TWTT turns ANYONE into elite troops (the equivalent of Realm heavy infantry, complete with ability and attribute boosts) and lets you add a dot in a warlike ability or atrribute to them.

A later book added another category above that, "superior", and states that gunzosha and experienced tiger warriors fall into that category.

>>98546316
It's funny because she has Appearance 5. This makes the whore priestess in her Circle jealous because she's effortlessly pretty when she had to work at it, but Maiden is also largely immune to the priestess' seduction attempts because she just wants to murder shit as painfully as possible.

>>98546327
Exalted naming scheme is pretty much random, cbn had a night caste named Elias

If things don't decay Elsewhere, are people thrown Elsewhere (e.g. Pressed Beyond the Veil of Time) immortal?

>>98546371
Yes. And conscious. And unable to do anything. Some Twilight invented a belt that allowed him to go elsewhere to steal all the loot in there. It worked but he realized he couldn't move.

>>98546327
>Like, there used to be three main categories of troops in 2e (green, average, elite). One week of TWTT turns ANYONE into elite troops (the equivalent of Realm heavy infantry, complete with ability and attribute boosts) and lets you add a dot in a warlike ability or atrribute to them.
Are you not thinking of 3E Battle Groups with Poor, Average and Elite, with TWTT turning Poor Drill into Average with the stats of battle-ready warriors after 1 week and Elite Drill with elite troop stats after a month of TWTT

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>>98546389
I was conflating it with its 1E effects. In 2E it just raises 1 stat at a time, though the drill still goes up.

I have a problem with Exalted guys. Whenever I play Exalted I get terrible gas, like eye-watering level. For some reason this never happens when I play other tabletop games, only when I play exalted.

Does anyone here have a solution? I'm positive someone here had the same issue before.

>>98546375
>Yes. And conscious. And unable to do anything. Some Twilight invented a belt that allowed him to go elsewhere to steal all the loot in there. It worked but he realized he couldn't move.
I literally provided an example in the question where people are being sent Elsewhere and still able to move around and do stuff. You can explicitly walk around and time still passes there.

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>>98546734
Well, one of these is wrong, then. Or maybe Pressed has special rules.

>>98546748
The manse power that sends a trapped room Elsewhere also lets people move around within the room. And Autochthon is Elsewhere but civilizations exist inside him just fine. The consistent through line seems to be that only the external stuff facing directly into Elsewhere is frozen, anything stored inside of a thing can move around fine.

Having thought on my original question some more the answer is no, because mortals in Autochthon are mortal. And also the 'nothing decays Elsewhere' side bar in 2e core has some pretty serious examples against it being anything other than bullshit.

>>98546145
West has little land compared to the amount of water and compared to the other Directions, but there's still plenty of land. Some of those islands are huge. There are also people living underwater and cities on the bottom of the ocean, and some of those civilizations have contact with surface-dwellers, so materials from the depths don't need to be unknown or inaccessible, either.

>>98546849
Yeah, Pressed seems consistent with that interpretation and so does that Manse power. That dumb Twilight probably sent himself in without protection, so it's no wonder he got stuck.

>>98546748
I swear it doesn't work like it does in the comics. I swear.

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>>98546871
>>98546748
It's funny how this guy's face got reused in scroll of kings

>>98546875
>It's funny how this guy's face got reused in scroll of kings
The Twilight had a goatee, the catapult payload is clean-shaven. I can only headcanon it as one of his half-castes preserved during the Shogunate to kick around for posterity.

>>98546980
Facial hair can be shaved, you know.

>>98546849
>has some pretty serious examples
Like what

So if Chopping lowers the Hardness of a target when you use it in a Decisive, doesn't that mean its only useful against artifact armor and magic that grants Hardness, and big creatures

>>98547609
Autochthonia.

>>98547309
Facial hair can't be shaved while you're stuck Elsewhere and can't move.

>>98547752
It also adds withering damage.

>>98547997
I'm not talking about the Withering attack part

>>98548095
Yes, you did talk about the withering attack part. Your conclusion
>[Chopping's] only useful against artifact armor and magic that grants Hardness, and big creatures
is talking about the Chopping tag, not just the decisive attack part of it. Your justification for that conclusion is only talking about the decisive attack part, which is why I pointed out the withering attack part.

>>98546748
They can both be right. You can move in the elsewhere room because it acts like a bubble, where elsewhere only applies to the room's exterior. The twilight in the comic can't move because he sent himself in directly, so elsewhere affects him.

>>98548168
Do you think Chaos-Repelling Pattern, Integrity-Protecting Prana, or the Ring of Being would have saved him?

>>98548151
>Your justification for that conclusion is only talking about the decisive attack part, which is why I pointed out the withering attack part.
I didn't mention the Withering part in my initial post because I wasn't talking about
Withering Chopping Attacks
A Decisive Chopping Attack is only useful against opponents who get Hardness, and not somebody who doesn't get Hardness

god solars are trash. just send them to elsewhere and get their shards out of the way permanently.

i don't think we should use retard comics for exalted but they're the ones who made it so.

>>98549153
Turns out making the main splat be about stat checking wasn't a good idea, specially once you decide to screw with it with powercreep and abilities that circumvent the stat checking.

>hey an exalted comic for our exalted would be cool lets commission some
>Oh hey these comics don't really fit into exalted or match the lore too well.
>WELP WHO CARES.

The devs never learned how to tell their artists to suck them off and it shows. Still can't forget my small arm in 3e. Stuff like that just shouldn't happen.

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>Grants victory in battle at the cost of the bearer's life.
Help me stat and fluff this for 3e.

>>98549528
Sidereals have a charm like this, the one where the play and st discus on to skip a scene.

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>>98538876
What is the most important thing when creating a new one? And where do you look for inspiration on effects?

I am fond of that five dot artifact that revives you when you die. Big fan of resurrection as a defense in general desu.

>>98546748
>>98546734
>>98546849
I'd like to think that in ExWoD a bunch of elsewhere charms now send things to the Umbra, so a bunch of noob exalts who use them end up findign out they're just gifting weapons and items to Umbral spirits.

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>>98538876
>Have you ever made new ones and how they pan out?

>>98549585
The main thing you need to come up with is what do you want it to do. From there things tend to click into place.

>>98549988
First you draw a circle then you finish by drawing the rest of the owl.

>>98549996
Bruh

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>>98550014
That is basically the exigents' guidelines.

>>98550054
You are not wrong but you are kind of missing the point.
If you don't calcify the concept of what you are trying to stat out you are going to get a lot of nonsense. I am speaking from experience because the last 3 homebrew thing I wrote down ended up disjointed as hell.

As for Exigents... Yeah they are too fucking vague.

>>98540926
im talking 2nd edition, in the scroll of heroes.

>>98549621
the verdigris circlet?

>>98550398
Mortality Entangling Gem from Broken-Winged Crane 2e. I think 3e has one that does the same thing. I just find the idea of stacking immortality/revives like Sun Wukong to be fun. Plus breaking action econ is always a blast.

>>98550423
>I just find the idea of stacking immortality/revives like Sun Wukong to be fun.
It's so weird that we can technically do this with sorcery and the Core book even says that immortality has a catch so you're basically encouraged to stack workings like that but then it never bothers to tell you what level of working immortality is.

I like that one 2E comic where Panther wakes up after getting his ass kicked by his former gladiator partner turned Abyssal and he's been captured by a loony fan of his who chained him up

>>98550485
I liked the 2e chapter comics because of the little vignettes they gave into the world. LIke Burning Feather twisting Demetheus' ear about being a drunken bum.

>>98550443
Being extremely generous, maybe the idea is that you're supposed to scale your level of immortality to the level of working? Like you're just biologically immortal at Terrestrial, and at Solar you can resurrect from your favourite manse no matter what in a year unless someone sticks a magic feather up your urethra or something.

Amusingly this also trivialises the "no perfect immortality" rule unless you're lazy enough to stop at like, 5-6 forms of sorcerous working immortality. Make yourself immortal except to being burned alive, then make another working that snuffs out all flames in your presence, then make another working that adds a different immortality condition contingent on being duty bound to defend the Realm that must ALSO be bypassed lest you resurrect another way, then make a sorcerous working that lets you gain Essence from being immolated etc. Really just asking you not to have skill issues.

>>98550497
>Burning Feather twisting Demetheus' ear about being a drunken bum.
For the uninitiated, Burning Feather is the Lady of Intoxicants, AKA the goddess of going on a bender. Demetheus got so incredibly drunk while wallowing in grief he made the very deity of getting drunk and high disgusted with him and made her tell him off and demand he clean up his act.

Familiar ••• should give you the choice to have one big Familiar or a Battle Group of Familiars, like a bunch of tigers or a veritable horde of birds

>>98550648
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiranyakashipu

Just asking to be meme-deathed that way.

>Grant me that I not die within any residence or outside any residence, during the daytime or at night, nor on the ground or in the sky. Grant me that my death not be brought by any being created by you, nor by any weapon, nor by any human being or animal. Grant me that I not meet the death from any entity, living or nonliving. Grant me, further, that I not be killed by any demigod or demon, or by any great snake from the lower planets. Since no one can kill you in the battlefield, you have no competitor. Therefore, grant me the benediction that I too may have no rival.

He gets killed anyway.

>>98550443
>>98550648
I'm pretty sure that if you tried to truly game immortality with multiple Workings any ST with brains in their head would veto them

>>98550920
In my ExWoD game several NPCs had forms of immortality through true magick, Fetishes or Rank 6 Gifts. I capped stacking forms of immortality at 3, though no one I statted had more than 2 and none of the Exalts were immortal (though the Infernal would have become immortal if we played a little longer).

>>98550871
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lleu_Llaw_Gyffes

>Blodeuwedd tricks Lleu into revealing how he may be killed, since he cannot be killed during the day or night, nor indoors or outdoors, neither riding nor walking, not clothed and not naked, nor by any weapon lawfully made. He reveals to her that he can only be killed at dusk, wrapped in a net with one foot on a cauldron and one on a goat and with a spear forged for a year during the hours when everyone is at mass. With this information she arranges his death.

Looks like the Welsh had a similar guy

>hearthstones are the size of large chicken eggs

>>98550972
Really cool. I had this idea for an charm line for Abyssals where you remove your characters ability to die. You are now basically a Neverborn, besides ST fiat you can't die. When you would die, X happens, like you stand up. Or you teleport somewhere. Or whatever form of revive sounds cool and fits your character (take over random extra body, tons of options.).

Balance wise it makes it so that you don't lose from damage anymore, although you still take penalties. Your lose condition is being rendered unable to move or being captured. Thematically I know people dislike the idea of Solars not being able to kill literally everything but that doesn't matter to me, I feel more like they should be able to handle any situation instead.

I used to think "Hey, it's lame this thing can't die" but I don't really anymore. Not being able to die doesn't mean you can't lose and I think the stories you could tell with the PC or some NPC being immortal would be very neat. I also like a characters lose condition no longer being having no HP. Plus, if your PC's take it, they'd be more willing to try fights where they can't win, because 'dying' a few times is just another path to victory.

>>98550871
I remember this dumb bitch was strangled to death in a threshold at twilight or something.

>>98551185
Not to call Exalted artifacts out for being gaudy or anything, but imagine wearing a giant chicken egg on your forehead with one of those tiaras. I guess it'd cover the caste mark but I mean come on guys what're we doing.

They could've at least made them vary in size a bit so that you could put them on rings or chokers or whatever.

>>98551505
>They could've at least made them vary in size a bit so that you could put them on rings or chokers or whatever.
It'd be good if both artifacts and hearthstones varied in size. Having a fuckhuge stone on your brown or on a necklace is silly, sure, but those bigass swords don't fit every character's aesthetics, either. And before anyone point out that short daiklaves are a thing, while they are less fuckhuge, they are actually still quite large, with significantly longer blades than most one-handed swords. Artifacts should definitely be showy and even gaudy, as a role, but it'd be nice if some of them were showy in ways that don't require them to be oversized.

>>98550871
Tbqh if I'm ever stupid enough to void my protections or I ever piss off someone clever enough to rules lawyer through my concealed methods of immortality, I deserve to eat shit.

>>98551800
Unfortunately exalted devs went parodic in their approach of anime, the "all anime weapons are fuck huge like Cloud's!!!" trope, ignoring that the buster sword was an exception even in its series.

>>98552625
Eeeeeeeh Sephirtoh's sword was ludicrously long and Yuffie had that oversized shuriken too.

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>>98552719
It is an odachi, those were basically spears.

What book do I need to make demon blooded animals or beastmen?

>>98551505
Yeah hearthstones on the head or neck with tiaras and amulets seem like it would be a pain in the ass. Them being slotted into the big ass artifact weapons and armor doesn't seem as egregious.

Why did they remove Terrestrial/Celestial/Sidereal or Root/Bulb/Blossom distinctions of Martial Arts in 3E? I guess they somewhat kept it with Mastery?

>>98551800
I mean do you guys not run it like that anyways? That's what we've always done in my group.

>>98550936
Speaking of, how do you guys feel about ExVsWoD? I only come here every once in a while, so I don't know if it gets discussed a lot.

>>98553433
They kept telling sidereal around; the terrestrial/celestial divide was removed so the formerly terrestrial/celestial ones should be more attractive to more players.

I.e: Solars with golden janissary.

>>98538876
Has your Circle ever visited a manse in Malfeas?

MAYBE BUTTPLUG HEARTHSTONES?????

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>>98550485
So he didn't actually died from this?

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>>98554175
Also Jiunan caused him to fail his mission when Jiunan exalted.
So he now has TWO solars living rent-free in his head.

>>98554180
>Jiunan
The guy who fell in love with the dead lady?

>>98554161
Wrong thread?

>>98554161
Good way to train Strength and Stamina

CAN'T BE GAUDY IF HIDDEN WITH SODDY

>>98554175
>>98554180
Where's the comic where Jiunan sent him packing? I only know this one, the one where Panther wakes up chained to a bed, and the one where the Visitor (Mr. Funnyhat making a jobber out of Panther there) runs into a boatman in the Underworld and haggles for safe passage.

>>98553509
Having ran a long campaign of it? Best chassis for Exalted mechanics by far (which is sad given WoD20th's quality], but Holden's autism and frankly wrong understanding of the World of Darkness means you have to put in all the stuff he insists isn't there but 100% absolutely is. Battlegroups, social projects, artifacts, full sorcery, etc. Luckily 1E runs on almost the same version of Storyteller so porting is not hard.

>>98554470
Right on. Ive got a friend who's going to start a campaign soon so I was hoping to hear about others' experiences.

I kinda get why he structured it the way he did by saying "its totally not there" since WoDs cosmology is a jumbled mess anyways. Im glad to hear that its a good vector for Exalted, though. It seems like he did a really good job writing the charms, too. Im honestly hyped for my Abyssal.

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>>98554528
I recommend either playing the original releases as I did (The core and companion) OR if you do play Revised ExWoD to use the optional scene-long excellences OR use the Battlegroup rules in the Black Vault release doc. If you don't do one of these three things then 50 of anything will kill even the strongest Exalt which I don't care what Holden says is not canon. The game otherwise is great, free-buying Charms works very well, Essence/Turn is way more intuitive than combos, and the entire experience is just fun. I ran for about 70 sessions before IRL killed the game. My party amongst other things took over Endron Oil and turned it into Kaiba Corp, survived a Technocratic city-wide manhunt with a shockwave clause, got blasted into space, stole a helicopter from President Trump (indirectly), the Abyssal became the most wanted man in America, briefly teamed up with the Ninja Turtles (it was the Dreaming) and invaded the Infernal's inner Hell and took over an entire planet after battering their way through thousands of demons. Oh and the Abyssal is engaged to a Kuei Jin and the game was a hairs breadth from a tournament arc involving every supernatural race in the state of New York which would have inadvertantly awakened the Tzmisce Antediluvian.

>>98554161
Definitely buttplog hearthstones. Judging from Bright Shattered Ice's expressions she was constantly wearing one during the First Age.

>>98553632
"Player-facing writing" is a fucking abomination.

>>98554551
This definitely makes me feel less trepidatious about my plans. When I made my Abyssal, I maxed out both Resources and Status (Giovanni). Lore-wise he gets his resources by running a private military corporation. He basically wants to run a secretly undead army to wage war forever. Rather than trying to end the world, he's willing to put down other apocalyptic events because they would threaten his ability to wage eternal war.

Mechanically, I have my perfect soak, and the charm that prevents mental/emotional influence seems like my immediate priority. But how important is essence 2? Did your party have any areas where there was a real struggle with the system?

>>98554624
Player facing writing?

>>98554823
The opposite of "natural language."

>>98551505
pretty sure hearthstones can change shape/size to fit the socket its put in.

>>98555144
but what does that have to do with martial arts

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>>98554650
Essence 2 isn't important to start with but you'll want it pretty soon with XP. Something to keep in mind is that Exalts do not start out as high level World of Darkness characters. They are normal tier World of Darkness characters with a couple high level powers to start off with. Imagine playing as a 12th Generation Brujah who had Celerity 9 and no other Disciplines. That isn't a Methusaleh tier vampire, its a neonate with a big hammer. That's going to be your Exalt until you've got about 100+ Experient Points. You're going to want to leverage your big hammer while keeping in mind you lack a ton of competencies other high level characters take for granted. Being a neonate who can jump miles through the air, run 100+ MPH and kill an infinite number of scrubs is great but if they bust out poison or high explosives or undodgable attacks or mind control or 'Shaping' or something else you aren't prepared for you're going to be put on the backfoot. My Circle basically learned early on to be a little prudent and they could throw large amounts of powerful Charms in the direction of opposition without much to worry about it. As you gain a higher Essence rating and more Charms you become more and more free to act with impudence. By the end of my ExWoD campaign the Infernal was basically Yujiro Hanma. Sure the Technocracy could kill her, but not without her reinacting the plots of both The Avengers and the season 1 finale of Invincible in the middle of New York City. You never quite reach 'fight the whole setting and win on an even plain' but that doesn't stop you from wielding a ton of influence and doing shit that would be hard-to-impossible to pull off in other WoD games.

The big thing my players had to feel out was exactly how strong they were, what they could get away with, and when to use Essence. I used the original release where Essence was more abundant and my players still ran out completely about 2-3 times.

>>98555231
I appreciate the advice. It let's me know Im at least in the right headspace. My general idea is to use my standing in the Giovanni to engage in vampire politics in order to rule our city. I figure I can kill vampires, werewolves, and careless mages with weapons, so Im mostly just going to save my essence for Wounds Mean Nothing (spend 1 to ignore damage).

>>98555180
You'd be wrong. They're always described as the size of large chicken eggs, they're described as always being recognizable as hearthstones on sight to anyone who's familiar with the concept (despite the colors and patterns and textures being different every time, and there being no supernatural appearance to a lot of them, and there being no supernatural feel to any of them unless you touch them), and the only real way that makes sense would be if their shared qualities of size and gemliness remained the same. More ordinary or differently-supernatural gems do actually get used as components in artifact construction, if they changed shape/size to fit sockets then any of them could be a hearthstone.

> For 10 motes, one Willpower, the Twilight’s anima flares blue and white and consumes her body over the course of the round. On her next turn, she vanishes into her anima and ceases to exist. If the Exalt moves or suffers knockdown before the action is completed, it fails and the effect is wasted.

Ummm.... Am I still allowed to parry/dodge or do I have to stant still?

>>98554624
>>98555185
Yu-Shan fucking forbid players have clear writing to consult when they want to know what the fuck a given Charm or other effect does.

>>98555806
Probably stand still
Parrying and dodging usually involve moving

>>98555806
You can parry and dodge but are forbidden from taking a move action.

Is it really possible for an Alchemical girl and a Sidereal boy to be in a relationship?

>>98555849
Yes. No real reason why not, other than that the circumstances must be contrived. If anything a Sidereal is the most likely candidate to be in a relationship with an Alchemical shortly after a breach into Creation, because they'd share a language in Old Realm and Sidereals would be the quickest to detect the breach and fastest to get to the scene (unless it's like way late in the timeline and solar circle sorcery is in play outside Samea).

>>98555806
>Ummm.... Am I still allowed to parry/dodge or do I have to stant still?
At the absolute worst, if your Storyteller thinks you need to not only not take move actions but also stand still in place for the magic to work, it's still only a -5 penalty at worst. Hearing somebody sneaking up on you in supernaturally perfect silence is just a -5 penalty, and spotting someone as a blind person is just -3, so I don't think dodging while standing still could be worse.

>>98554823
Everything must be an attractive player option, ST options are basically "the ST makes something up".

>>98538876
What is your favorite Evocation and why?

>>98557121
I don't.
Evocations are a cool concept, but to me they just bloat up the game with more Charms.

>>98557121
Bridal Dance of Beloved Adorei.

>>98557183
Shut up fag.

If there's no gunpowder, are there no fireworks in Creation?

>>98557121
>What is your favorite Evocation and why?
Evocation from the Mirror. Reason one is that it's like five very powerful effects in one spell - it's a save or lose against difficult-to-empower attributes, it's a perfect mind control effect with no rerolls from going against Motivation or Intimacies, it's the kind of mind control that also makes it an information gathering spell that can strip mine a target for everything they know, and when you target yourself it's also a spell that just outright duplicates you to provide a perfectly loyal ally of equal power (basically a better version of the Lunar duplication charm at like E7), and it gives you a safe redoubt to fall back to if needed that nobody can get to without dematerialization.

Reason two is that it's the only Evocation. There are no other Evocations.

>>98557477
>If there's no gunpowder, are there no fireworks in Creation?
They use firedust instead. Yes, this means fireworks burn hotter and longer and have a harder time propelling themselves around the place and are more likely to spread fires everywhere. That's part of the appeal. I for one am a fireworks-in-Creation enjoyer who happily set half a town on fire for no crime greater than kowtowing to the satrap and the Realm having pissed me off. It burned prettily, at least.

>>98557477
They could make non-propellant firecrackers with firedust that burn for longer with pretty colors, and special one you can see legends, myths and stories play out in

>>98557477
>If there's no gunpowder, are there no fireworks in Creation?
Yes there are, just don't ask ho-

>>98557555
>primitive rockets fueled by fantasy napalm
Perfection. If anyone asks just say it's a matter of regulating the dosage and whatever technobabble in order to make it shoot up and burn up safely in the sky. Given the expensive nature of firedust outside the South I imagine it's a luxury thing rich people use in special occasions. Hell, maybe some gods compete for the right to have their designated calendar holidays celebrated with fireworks as a mark of divine prestige. Other forms of fireworks not dependant on firedust are also on the table, if I have things my way.

>>98557611
>Other forms of fireworks not dependant on firedust are also on the table, if I have things my way.
There's a few spells that also do the trick. Flight of the Brilliant Raptor, Wheel of the Turning Heavens, Total Annihilation, as examples. I think most people just have gods flying up to celebrate in the sky for their festivals though.

>>98557477
Make a cloth-covered basket with a cradle under it. Pack your explosive charge of dyed firedust at the bottom of the cradle, cover that in a thin layer of wax with a wick through it, and cover that in oil or coal to fuel your flight. The edges should be enclosed a bit. If I'm visualizing this right, you get a little glowing gaslamp looking thing flying up like a balloon into the sky until it burns through it's fuel and pops the charge. If you've shaped the charge right it explodes in a colorful spray going mostly downwards and if you're lucky you can even recover the basket afterwards.

>>98557685
>There's a few spells that also do the trick. Flight of the Brilliant Raptor, Wheel of the Turning Heavens, Total Annihilation, as examples.
I mean stuff that regular people can come up with and use, at most using Thaumaturgy. Hm, using alchemy to make magical fireworks, I should write that down somewhere...

>>98557611
>Given the expensive nature of firedust outside the South I imagine it's a luxury thing rich people use in special occasions. Hell, maybe some gods compete for the right to have their designated calendar holidays celebrated with fireworks as a mark of divine prestige.
Even outside the South, firedust isn't overwhelmingly expensive. I wouldn't be surprised to see fireworks in Nexus or Lookshy, both being on the top end of technology and wealth in the setting. Sijan and Great Forks too for festivals, and because they're pretty wealthy too. I think the Haslanti would drop something festive rather than fire it up though, chance of hitting an airship is too high.

>>98557764
>Hm, using alchemy to make magical fireworks, I should write that down somewhere...
Alchemists can synthesize firedust, even outside the South. That combined with it being well understood and thus more sought after and thus more produced by alchemists is why the substance doesn't cost ludicrous amounts even in the North (at least, that's my headcanon), though its probably also just that the South does a lot of trade. Proper crafters being involved at a step above raw materials in firework-making seems both cool and appropriate.

>>98557819
>I think the Haslanti would drop something festive rather than fire it up though, chance of hitting an airship is too high.
But that's part of the fun!

>>98557819
>the North
Maybe they throw literal bottled lightning into the air to make pretty light displays and localized miniature aurora borealis.

>>98557819
>That combined with it being well understood and thus more sought after and thus more produced by alchemists is why the substance doesn't cost ludicrous amounts even in the North (at least, that's my headcanon), though its probably also just that the South does a lot of trade.
That's something that should be kept in mind if players start successfully screwing with the Guild on a large enough scale. Not only will they start getting hit with economic sanctions by the Guild, but everyone will start feeling the price hike of the Guild's trade networks being disrupted.
A lot of the more mundane good stuffs ingredients in Creation (Age-Staving Cordial, Sweet Cordial, probably Seven Bounties Paste too) are sourced from different corners of Creation.

>>98557888
Nice digits I got. Anyway I forgot to say I thought of bottled lightning because of the North's affinity with the element of Air, which apparently encompasses both ice and lightning.

>>98557905
Powdered fulgurite mixed in with firedust and various other ingredients for a firework that can produce light but doesn't produce heat or pressure
Heh, maybe distilled sunshine, all light but no heat

>>98557944
Checked. So we have firedust fireworks in the South and fulgurite/bottled lightning in the North. What about East and West?

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Are there any canon charms or artifacts that would allow a Siderial to rebuild the likes of Iris? I'm making a Cult of the Illuminated game about trying to prove to heaven that the next generation of celestials is worthy of their predecessors thrones and recreating the dead gods sound like an interesting way to do it.

>>98557881
>But that's part of the fun!
No, see, it's more fun if they don't expect it. That way, you get scenes where the Haslanti air raiders get spooked by return fire from an improvised defense shooting fireworks up at them. Or some tourists who don't know any better lighting up air boats in the middle of a greenfield and the Haslanti having no prepared plan for dealing with that because who would be so stupid and how unlucky do you have to be to have an air boat set aflame by random firework?

>>98557888
>Maybe they throw literal bottled lightning into the air to make pretty light displays and localized miniature aurora borealis.
I'd like it if they put iron or copper rods on their rooves to attract lightning strikes, then have the bottom of the rod go into a glass bottle for storage, like one of those tesla machines. Everybody releases the lightning at once and it arcs across rooftops to make jumping bridges between people's rods.

That or they just make miniature hot air balloons like >>98557727, tie them so they don't float off in the wind, and hang lanterns from them or something. You could even pattern or stain the lanterns glass so they throw off interesting patterns on the streets or the greenfield's walls.

>>98558024
Nope, that sounds like a story-long goal the ST should fiat conditions for accomplishing. If you reallly, really, really want to banalize it into hard mechanics, I'd say a Solar-level Sorcerous Working is in order.

>>98557477
I'd just say that alchemists smix something with firedust to make it work, and that the "something" they use just doesn't pack enough of a punch to be used for much else than that, and refuse to go into more detail. Or then I'd do what this anon >>98557727 suggests. I mighr even be tempted to have some locations locingly train birds to fly in specific formations and then turn non-self-propelling firedust-based fireworks into those birds when it's time for a fireworks show, but...eh, while animal cruelty's hardly the worst thing that happens in Creation, that'd be a pretty messed up thing to do for very little gainand I don't think it'd be very fun to include in a game. Maybe shooting firedust-based fireworks tied to arrows into the air could work, though? The simplest thing would just be to say that fireworks are a thing because alchemists do something, though.

>>98558011
>What about East and West?
Scavenger Lands should melt down all of the traditions they find elsewhere into some combined monstrosity and put a spin on it involving being thoughtlessly reckless.

Far East's obviously using glowbugs. You can do some really interesting things by collecting or luring them in specific ways. I'm also imagining lots of bonfire rituals.

In the West... guys with torches go swinging through the rigging trying to play tag. They've got colorful trained birds and people more than willing to get good at throwing knives. I imagine every ship is different in the West. Every one of them will have something they've picked up along the way and spent far too much time practicing to death because there's nothing better to do when you're on a ship with no new people for weeks or months at a time. I mean, they meet up in ports and show off what they've got and learn new tricks, so there's still a lot of cross-contamination going on, but it's the prevalence of slow time between that makes them unique. Fuck knows what they do on the islands, probably throwing people into volcanos is their idea of a good time.

>>98558112
>Maybe shooting firedust-based fireworks tied to arrows into the air could work, though?
Jury-rig a catapult or ballista, or a make a sling
Accidentally burn down a large portion of a local god's forest on a botched launch and she gets pissed

>>98558167
>Fuck knows what they do on the islands, probably throwing people into volcanos is their idea of a good time.
Tie bags filled with various things so that they turn the lava neat colors and make the volcano god happy

>>98558167
I see that and raise: bio-luminiscent algae/sealife

>>98558043
I just wanted to see if there were any guidelines beforehand. Realistically this is going to boil down to recovering the remains before melting them down and using a replica mold from one of Auto's workshops.

Might as well try to use the new Exalted for something interesting and this seems like the obvious way to tie the Heart Eaters and Sovereigns to the game.

>>98558207
volcano god shows up to volcano god court with fabulous hairdo
>festival?
>festival
>nice

Now I wanna do a festival during a Western campaign with glowing algae hanging everywhere like Christmas lights and swarms of trained cuttlefish doing synchronized light displays on command.

>>98538876
to whomsoever updates, backer pdfs of the novellas Murder on the Divine Carriage and Even the Heavens Will Burn can be found on this g04i13
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>>98559861
Uploaded

>>98559861
>Even the Heavens Will Burn
What is the premise of this one?

>>98559999
>Twilight Caste Djau Brazenreins is so close to completing a project that's been in the works for lifetimes. He doesn't know exactly what his previous incarnation intended for it to do, but curiosity drives him forward. When the Lunar Anthar Mirthless tries to stop Djau from acquiring the components, the two feel their ancient bond uniting them once again.

>Together, they fight dangerous beasts, infiltrate an Immaculate monastery, and brave the revels of the demon-run Dajaz. But an old enemy is hot on their heels, intent on ensuring Djau's masterpiece remains forever unfinished.

>>98560079
Oh, is it for 3e or Essence?

>>98560430
it's an essence novella but they somewhat share a setting. the base premise of essence novella allows for more crosstype circles, but its not unusual otherwise

Which of the canon girls would agree to taking it up the butt?

>>98561386
The Empress, there is official art of her being DP'ed by TeD

>>98561503
Well duh, I thought she went without saying. Who else, is what I'm asking.

>>98561386
Arianna would only agree to anal

>>98561707
Butt only if that will get her more sorcerous lore.

Which would the best Deathlord to be a Death Knight for?

>>98561865
More like "less awful" but the Silver Prince or Falafel if you can prove your worth. Lover if you don't mind the gimpsuit.

>>98561865
Walker In Darkness. Dude just wants you to have a good tine.

>>98561865
>Lover
I dunno, I don't really envy...was it Prince of Shadows? The Abyssal whose capacity to feel pleasure was taken by the Lover, anyways. 2E Lover, at least, seems like the most likely Deathlord to do things like that.

>>98539828
That's what they're supposed to be
2E's Scroll of the Monk had a good description of it
Did 3E ever have something like that? A dedicated MA book? or is it too orientalist?

>>98562430
>That's what they're supposed to be
>2E's Scroll of the Monk had a good description of it
But it's not reflected in the mechanics which is what I'm trying to do.

>Did 3E ever have something like that? A dedicated MA book? or is it too orientalist?
You already know the answer.

>>98562689
>But it's not reflected in the mechanics which is what I'm trying to do.
But the martial arts in that chapter are cool though
They're a little weaker than Solar Charms, but somebody who picks Crane or Tiger is probably trying to be an elegant martial artist or a brutal one and roleplay it like that
Drawing upon the enlightenment/wisdom is something that should be role-played, mechanically being able to use these Charms at all is because they've achieved sone form of enlightenment regarding the martial art in-character
While I initially liked the Brawl/MA split for 3E I've come to find it more limiting than an interesting split. Plus having to individually buy Martial Art (Style) dots is a pain.

Tbh I'd prefer just not having Martial Arts and "normal" combat Abilities be separate. Just let it all be MAs and give each Exalt a handful of native combat Charms that can be used with MAs. Maybe interpret martial arts bit broadly and let self-learned tricks of a street brawler and such count as a martial arts, but just the distinction between a warrior and a martial artist is completely unnecessary and IMO even detrimental.

Which Caste seems appropriate for an Abyssal who killed himself after he got cucked by Dragon-Blooded Noble and has his wife left him?

>>98563068
Would someone who'd kill himself in that situation instead of, say, futilely trying to kill the DB and dying in the attempt or murdering the cheating wife and being executed for it really be a prime candidate for Abyssal Exaltation? That said, any Caste could work depending on the cuck's background. I don't think the manner and circumstances of death are that important when figuring out the appropriate Caste.

>>98561865
Eye and Seven Despairs as anyone outside of his ex-circle. He literally does not care. He's erratic and sometimes come up with a ludicrous idea but most of the time he's the kind of boss who's full attention is on playing asshole GM for a different group and telling you to do whatever. He's the most incompetent Deathlord and has a lot of people who could be convinced to take him down, which helps a lot if you need to revolt. Canonically he gives so few shits that if he needed to Exalt a new deathknight to appease the Neverborn he'd probably delegate it to his one competent deathknight. That deathknight, Red Famine, has a whole big plan but it ends with him just swapping sides to a more competent Deathlord and leaving you in charge, and he doesn't even torch everything on his way out.

Obviously not 3e Eye. 3e Eye sucks.

>>98563341
Eye's one of the Deathlords who was improved the most in 3E. That said, 1E E7D was pretty different from the 2E take, too. In 1E, he was also fucking with his deathknights both literally and figuratively, but for a different reason and with a different end goal in mind, and not on the expense of his actual task. He was also actively and competently working to further the goal of the Neverborn. It's actually pretty weird how much 2E changed him.

Martial Arts are neat and I don't really have any complaints about them. I've heard from other people they're overpriced but only by so much, it's not really an issue the same way other things are. Seemed true enough at least.

If I were to design martial arts I'd just make them a different type of sub-system like crafting/sorcery/ectect instead of copying the charm style that splats use. I also have no idea what that would look like.

>>98563395
Why, though? What's the benefit of having martial arts be something distinct from Melee, Brawl, Thrown and Archery.

>>98563387
>1E E7D was pretty different from the 2E take, too. In 1E, he was also fucking with his deathknights both literally and figuratively, but for a different reason and with a different end goal in mind, and not on the expense of his actual task. He was also actively and competently working to further the goal of the Neverborn
The situation for a deathknight outside the core group is pretty much the same though. You're wandering around under your own power doing whatever the hell you like, you still have a bunch of resources from your master with no oversight, and you still have a bunch of deathknights who'd happily turn on him if you need to revolt. Eye and Seven Despairs is, in 1e, even more caught up in the tragic treacherous love affair and the leisure of it all with his core group of deathknights than he is in 2e.

I don't like Read Intentions as a perception action. I think it should be an entirely social action, using social stats. To be more clear, what I don't like is situations where read intentions works like this:
>I stare at the bad guy. What does he think of Israel vs Palestine?
What I want read intentions to work like is
>Charisma: I strike up conversation with the bad guy.
>"Hey, how ya doin' - heard you got opinions on Israel vs Palestine, what's that all about?"
>Manipulation: I attempt to trick the bad guy into telling me what I want to know.
>"Lot of war going on these days. Heard anything recently?"
The main reason I think this should be the case is because read intentions is just really fucking boring and reliant on out of character narration as-is. You just stare at people and the Storyteller tells you stuff about them. There is very little interaction, and stunting Guile is even worse, doubly so when the person doing Read Intentions is across the room or stealthed. I want the way we find out about people and what they think to be going and talking to them, and using a persuade action to convince them to tell you about themselves is both kind of a gimmicky workaround that stinks of cheese and doesn't actually get you that hard ooc information like Defining Tie: Israel (Love) that Read Intentions does, it still requires player interpretation and guesswork to get at the mechanical details.

>>98563451
I watch a lot of kung fu movies and they just feel different then what I imagine solar or infernal powers to be like. Those movies can be whack so it feels like it'd be prime for a sub-system, assuming you enjoy those kinds of things.

I'm not saying I'm right or anything. Also my understanding of the current system is that it's just overpriced without making much sense in the lore of things. I guess MA's are core to certain builds but I don't know. For both 2e, 2.5, and 3e somehow.

I guess if it was a custom MA system that I personally would think is cool it'd be like... something with a really quick back and forth I guess. It'd be more like it's own thing that'd add a bonus to combat instead of something you use in it. Your Eagle Under Snake Shadow style gives you an advantage in a fight, maybe an overwhelming one, but a martial arts vs martial arts fight would just use different system then people punching and laser beaming each other. This wouldn't really fit exalted mind you, it's just an idea I think is neat.

>>98563720
maybe i'd look at that fae book in 2e for ideas on how to make it work.

Making Necromancy distinct from Sorcery has the after effect of making all Death related things in this one neat little box.

>>98564015
this is one of the main reasons I don't care for Abyssals and their flavor. The rest of the setting does similar things to it in a way more interesting way, but the moment you get into the "Necromancy" territory it's all the same.

Nogame here, but trying to get my bearings to firstgame a 2nd edition game.

So, it is me or Limit Breaks are kind of underwhelming?

Let's say a Solar bends toward Compassion and has Intimacies about life-long unwavering true love. Crashing out by rolling into a ball and crying for the duration of one fight while the rest of the Cricle decimates the opponents seems like a really meaningless drawback thrown out there just to be a bother.
Undying uber-beings thrown in a limbo of perpetual unliving agony and casting a Great Curse to twist the Solars' magnificence and ambition into ruin, for me, would be something more in the lines of (let's crank the edge to 11 just for the argument's sake)
> "They go into a [however meaningfully long] rape spree because their own god-tier ego prevents them from even comprehend that they might not be loved by everybody, so here comes the loving whenever they want it or not".

Exalted does seem to me a pretty player-involved system (stunts are a simple example), so it's not even like "You lose agency on your character and they go raping", it's a collaborative "Ok, now you live as your worst self in a way - and for long enough - that justifies the Solars being genocided in order to save the world, and still deemed Anathema. How that would look?"

Is that a thing that gets worse with time (and or Essence score)? Like ok, sure, game-tier Solars are still in the roll-into-a-ball phase but as they get more powerful they lose more control?
Is that somewhat regulated in any way?

Am I reading all of this wrong?

>>98561386
Solars
Arianna: weak to anal like all evil women
Jade: would take it up the ass to tire you out before assassinating you

DBs
Tepet Ejava: Canonically fucks pirates and is probably a gigaslut for them before she kills them to tie off any loose ends

Lunars
Lilith: No if you're not Desus, yes if you're Desus
Madame Vert: She'll make you pay for it, but yes

Sids
Iron Siaka: More into fingering
May Blossom: Probably does freaky shit to keep that Acquaintances background going

Abyssals
Maiden: She'd say yes, then cut your dick off with Artful Maiming Onslaught and torture you to death as you bled out
Whore Priestess: Anal is like the least kinky thing she does, she's ratchet as fuck

Infernals
Sulumor: She'd take it up the ass so she's a technical virgin (she offers it to Strength of Many afterwards)
Manosque Cyan: Takes it in every hole to generate blackmail. Or to steal your seed, literal semen demon.

Alchies
Lissome Avid Engineer: She was expressly designed with Thousandfold Courtesan Calculations, even the back of the knee is an erogenous zone for her.

>>98561865
Princess Heron seems good because she desperately needs a deathknight to be her agent. Play your cards right and you can make her dependent on you. Only problem is falafel getting jealous.

Speaking of which, Falafel is highly intelligent and competent when it doesn't involve Princess Heron. You could go far by just being a capable minion since he'd probably trust you with a ton of resources. Plus since his main fortress is deep in the Underworld, you'll have a ton of latitude on Creation missions since you'll be operating remotely for a long time.

>>98564029
>Undying uber-beings thrown in a limbo of perpetual unliving agony and casting a Great Curse to twist the Solars' magnificence and ambition into ruin, for me, would be something more in the lines of (let's crank the edge to 11 just for the argument's sake)
This would be a valid curse break and not too far out of line with some of the others, yes. You could also argue that the Overindulgence Temperance flaw does have people do that, and the flaws in Core are only examples - you're encouraged to make up your own.

>Is that a thing that gets worse with time (and or Essence score)?
Well, the influence is the same. You're usually still experiencing the same limit break at Essence 2 and Essence 9. The main difference is capability and position. While it often matters a lot less for the ones that basically make you go catatonic like Heart of Tears (but it DOES still matter because you tend to make more and more powerful enemies as you get stronger who can take advantage of it), something like Red Rage of Compassion or Heart of Flint is expected to kill and ruin more and more lives as your capacity to do so increases.

>>98564029
Limit break became a way to punish your players for acting out of character with their virtue scores and later intimacies.

As to why it's kinda garbage? Because they expect people playing the ultra Animu game to be as willing to shot themselves in the foot as the people who played Wraith with worse outlines for that kind of self sabotage than KotE.

The only credit I give the idea is how the moment you let the players choose what kind of virtue flaw they are going to be dealing with they all take shit like Heart of Flint, really sells the idea that they could not notice the breakdowns solars had every once in a while.

>>98564206
There's a limit break about murdering everything in sight, the rape variation was always implied because WW.

>>98562916
What do you think of hoe ExEss handles MA styles. Where you need close combat and another ability?

>>98564104
>Lissome Avid Engineer: She was expressly designed with Thousandfold Courtesan Calculations, even the back of the knee is an erogenous zone for her.
Someone remembers! :D

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>>98565126
You tried to copy straight from the pdf, didn't you?

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>>98565126
whoops
>>98565198
yeah, it works sometimes

>>98565206
On the one hand her dress is visibly worn down and she's barefoot. On the other hand she's got a big bedroom with a proper bed, access to lots of presumably sturdy chains, medical supplies and also glasses. What exactly is her economic status?

>>98565386
I was wondering about the same thing. I dunno, she's a crazy girl, so maybe she broke into someone else's house and murdered the owner to have a place where to imprison Panther? That wouldn't explaint the glasses, though. Maybe she's formerly wealthy but fallen on hard times relatively recently?

>>98565416
Now this has some juicy potential.

>>98564206
>and not too far out of line with some of the others
You sure? One means a player is going to sit on their hand for the duration of a fight (oh no what a nightmare) and then get a bunch of goodies for "how cathartic it is to give in to your Limit Break".
In the other case, NOTHING is going to unrape the nunnery, and even if you can Solar-talk everybody into coping that yes, they actually liked to become receptacles for the Lord's Holy Water, that's still some shit you and your Circle have now to live with.
Seems like night and day.

>>98564248
I'm not following 100% but seems like you're agreeing on the fact that they're kinda shit and bordering meaningless to the game both in mechanical and narrative terms (see, as you said "Heart of Flint": oh wow, you're determined and stubborn, it's not like EVERY SINGLE PC EVER IN EVERY GAME already is)

>>98564252
Might be, but the written examples seem VERY underwelming and basically a non-issue

If plastic were to be invented in Creation, would it be Craft (Fire) to make stuff from plastic?

>>98565441
>see, as you said "Heart of Flint": oh wow, you're determined and stubborn, it's not like EVERY SINGLE PC EVER IN EVERY GAME already is

Heart of Flint a weird flaw because you get a diet version of Clarity for a week. It's also a magical version of Autism according to one of the writers but I don't think that was serious.

>>98565456
Given you need to deal with heating, melting and casting it's hard to argue for any other version.

>>98565456
Craft (Plastic)

>>98565581
>Given you need to deal with heating, melting
Not really. With thermosoftening plastics you can make use of such, but it isn't like, say, cutting doesn't work on them. Thermosetting plastics on the other hand will break down and/or catch fire before they melt, so the heat-based approach is quite useless there.

>>98565628
I was presuming some variation of injection molding but I'm sure you could use other crafts to handle the material.

>>98565571
That would make sense, REEEEEEEEEEing with all the might of a Solar against mere mortals and even your own Circle, is bound to hurt people and create long-lasting problems.

Description still reads as underwhelming tho

>>98565905
I honestly think that flaw was meant as an easy out for the players that didn't enjoy the premise of the great curse.

>>98565942
Considering Grabowski's comments, no, it is just a flaw; the people who didn't like the great curse just didn't get, it and didn't enjoy Greek tragedies* as much as he did.

*Ignore Aristotle's criticism about this kind of plot device.

>>98565942
That's as bullshit as "People playing WW:tA who don't enjoy the concept of Frenzy".

> What makes you awesome also makes you a danger to everybody around you to the point you yourself might prefer to jump off a cliff

is at the goddamn core concept of the game.
Fucking crybabies

>>98566378
Exalted would still be Exalted without Limit or Great Curse. AFAIK it's a mechanic that was added fairy late in the development process, not something that was there from the start and not a part of the core concepts. Exalts being flawed heroes is pretty central to the game, but Limit is hardly the only possible way to achieve that.

>Other Notes: Iron inflicts aggravated damage on a faerie, and hecannot soak it with Stamina. Against iron weapons, the faerie has Defense of 6L/6B, from his gossamer garb. Note that most weapons in Creation are made of steel or bronze, not iron.
what do they think steel is

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>>98561865
Lover so I can finally have sex

This is a really random question, but do female dragon kings have breasts? I just have to know

>>98567015
No, I don't believe they do
All the art I looked doesn't have any

>>98566625
In European folklore, faes are weak against cold iron.
Cold iron was just medieval equivalent of hot lead.
Cold iron wasn't different from regular iron, as seen in ordinary iron tools being lucky charms capable of banishing evil.
But out of fear of giving fairies such a common weakness, writers will try to make some definition that doesn't include steel or/and "ordinary" iron.

>>98567116
So just wrought iron that's been fully cooled down after being forged, alright then

>>98567130
Yes, in folklore, an iron knife buried under the entrance of a home, would protect it against witches.
And horseshoes made of iron would be used to protect against Satan.

In exalted, the difference between iron and steel is just to not end up giving the raksha such a wide weakness.
Changeling the lost, also struggled with it.