>>98539018
Elder Scrolls style tonal architecture that allows you to cast spells by singing through modulating frequencies.

>>98539003
>How many dots in Occult (actual occult or game lore) do you have? Whats your specialty and why?
I am probably Religion 2, Occult 1 in real life. For game, depending on the splat, I am around Occult 3-4

>>98539003
>How many dots in Occult (actual occult or game lore) do you have?
4, was about to buy 5 but the campaign ended when the ST had to get operated due to appendicitis.

>Whats your specialty
Divination and assorted blood magic doohickery

>and why?
Dude joined a Wicca coven to score pussy, managed to impress the covert Verbena witch running the show by being the only one who actually understood the occult stuff.

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>>98539003
>TQ
I'm working with about... 2 dots currently. Specialty is kindred, since I'm running a Princess that wants to cure her older sister of the Curse of Caine. Well, former Princess. She lost her light a couple sessions ago. Now I'm doing some weird homebrew shit tacked onto Princess the Hopeful, basically she's staving off dethronement or falling with spite and will (and by fusing light and dark).

Anyway, you guys got any fun antagonists? I'm currently making this dork as a Cataphract that wants to exterminate the fera (They may like Gaia more, but moon cultists get the bullet anyway.)

>>98539012
>>98538962
Ecstatic that does it just for the thrill of it.

>>98539003
Like a solid 2 dots. I know the common myths and legends and the stuff they show on TV + use in books as inspiration. Nothing deeper than that though.
Speciality in Greek stuff.

>>98539003
>TQ
Occult 2 at best I'd say. People often underestimate how much a dot is supposed to represent. Four dots is an elite professional and five is world-class.

>>98538883
See this is what im talking about.
Why not an Etherite who flies because he suffuses his body with Ether & becomes lighter than air or maybe he chants some tonal waves & this allows him to fly?

>>98538838
Yeah, I guess I just want less tech based Etherite, less gadgets & more scientific mysticism? Idk
>>98538816
Milo would be pretty close Rourke is a pulp villain, not a hero but yes, theyre on the same wavelength

>TQ
I actually used to be really into the occult and studied magic as a kid. I have a spellbook that I copied by hand from select excerpts that I sometimes use as a prop. Probably four dots; I don't habitually read books on magic anymore, but I still like talking about it and finding spells and occult traditions written in historical records is my favorite part.

I wrote an entire multi-splat roadtrip consisting of outcasts from each. They all met in prison, escape, and now are on a cross-country roadtrip in a shitty RV

>>98539003
>How many dots in Occult (actual occult or game lore) do you have?
...Occult 6.
>Whats your specialty
My IRL specialties would be Alchemy and Demonology.
>and why?
I'm autistic and fell down the worldbuilding rabbithole at one point. I got hyperfocused on reading up on IRL occult shit for inspiration.
Before I knew it 6 years were gone and I could probably qualify for a PHD in occult studies.

Real oldhead here, I heart New World of Darkness is dead now? Also what's Beast and Deviant? Can someone bring me up to speed?

>>98539167
Beast is about playing as a primordial embodiment of fear. It is CTD but utterly sociopathic and written by a rapist.
Deviant is pretty cool tho. Reminds me of OG Kamen Rider, in that it's sort of CTL but with human conspiracies turning you into an abomination and you struggling to retain your humanity

>>98539167
New-WoD/Chronicles got shitcanned during the production of WoD5 because paradox didn't want to have anything competing with V5.
WoD5 did so poorly and Bloodlines 2 was a 40 million dollar failure, so paradox shitcanned it to make a new 6th edition starting with Vampire 6th, Mage 6th, and Changeling 6th.

First alpha of V6 is such hot garbage it fixed 30 years of fanbase schisms in universal hatred of WoD6.

>>98539167
New World of Darkness was rebranded to Chronicles of Darkness. Chronicles was eventually killed to frankenstein World and Chronicles together into a bad game that is once again called World of Darkness despite once again being explicitly not the classic World of Darkness.

Beast is about playing a nightmare monster possessing a human and trying to integrate into human society while keeping yourself fed. It lacks a clear throughline and the game's conflict is entirely based around social tension. Very crossover-focused, multiple Beasts actually prevent each other from getting stronger past a certain point. Highly contentious.

Deviant is about playing a lab experiment. There's a supplement that shifts the power balance so you can play as a superhero, though. Universally popular, but was released just before the game got axed, and so its only supplement was released on a technically third party website called the Storyteller's Vault, where the developers (and some fans) published books for World and Chronicles without needing Paradox's approval.

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More spiders again in Spacebattles. Well, kind of. There's actually only vampires and werewolves this time because it's an interlude chapter.

>>98539200
>>98539215
>>98539243

Damn, any chance NWoD is ever coming back or being continued?

>look up Beast
>it was literally made by a rapist

lmao yeah alright, that'll kill a game line. Surprised Deviant came out at all

>>98539257
CoD was never as popular nor brought as much money as WoD did, so chances are theyre just gonna keep trying with WoD over and over

>>98539257
It's possible that new supplements will come out on STV, but I'd only one more book for Deviant, and anything else would likely be for VtR. There is zero percent chance of a renewal or official continuation until they let go of the brand, but you can continue to play the content that exists.

Beast is actually even weirder than that. It was made by a bunch of novices with little oversight from the experienced staff members and no communication, so when the playtest dropped and was near universally panned, it was handed back to the guy ostensibly running the project to fix it in like 48 hours. One of the senior writers wanted his name pulled from the book, but was told if he did that they wouldn't greenlight him to write Changeling (I think it was Dreaming 20th specifically). It was a game that was basically designed to bomb because they didn't give a shit about the property. Him being a rapist turns out not to even have been related to the game despite how incredibly rapey it came out to be. It was absolutely what got him fired and blacklisted from the industry, though; he didn't even try to deny he did it and mostly acted confused that anyone cared or like if he ignored it then it would blow over.

>>98539243
Ew

>>98539299
>>98539289
>>98539243
>>98539215
It's a shame because CTL is honestly so much better than the Dreaming that it's unreal, at least in my eyes.

>>98539306
Sorry about your blindness.

>>98539306
I overall prefer the CoD splats over their WoD homonims, Werewolf and Mage being the only exceptions

>>98539306
CtL is banal.

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Which splat is best if I want to play a Silent Hill esque game where you face (and maybe play as) monsters and environments based on trauma and hardship? CtL? HtV? Maybe MtAs or WtA with their spirits and Fomori? Wraith? I'm miserable and need to focus that into something creative for the next 2 years or else I'll go insane.

How do you idiots keep falling for the same bait over and over again? Am I stuck in this thread with a bunch of actual bots?

>>98539312
I honestly prefer VTM over VTR lore-wise.
>>98539326
What bait?

>>98539326
Anon this is 4chan we have been rehashing the same discussions over and over again for over 20 years.

>>98539243
>Universally popular

Is it really? I love Deviant but I would not call it 'popular' by any stretch of the word, most people don't even know it exists or what's it about. Beloved, maybe, but not popular sadly

>>98539339
I've never heard a bad word about it. Well-received is how I usually phrase it, if you like that more.

>>98539323
W:tO is a game about misery and trauma but no-one plays it do don't bother looking for a game.
M:tA is also a good choice as Seekings are very dreamscape and strange in nature, the game is about achieving a personal Ascension of sorts, understanding yourself and your part in the world at large.

>>98539326
What are your preferred subjects when it comes to WoD and CofD? What are you actually here to discuss? What do you actually want to read and what do you actually have an interest in talking about when it comes to the subject of this general? To spice things up, no snide negatives like "I want to read anything other than this bait." Tell us what your actual interests relevant to the general are.

Others are also welcome to answer, but I'm more interested in the response of this anon in particular.

>>98539306
My nigga.

>>98539312
I definitely prefer Forsaken to Apocalypse, and I also dislike both versions of Mage. I don't dislike Requiem, but I prefer Masquerade to a moderate degree. I prefer blending the two

I just do a unified setting that combines elements from multiple editions of both COfD, WOD, and also a bunch of fan works.
I call it, IDK, Saga of Darkness

>>98539246
Why are Ananasifags like this? I thought it was the Wyld that created stuff

>>98539132
At least the British monarchy is rich and basically enjoying themselves. Soul King is a dissected, carved-out living corpse.

>>98539372
> I prefer blending the two

Elaborate?

>>98539372
I've actually added some Requiem to Masquerade, but only a few things, which had to be tweaked slightly. For Werewolf, however, I've always been entirely preferential to Apocalypse. Sell me on Forsaken.

I had a video game idea:

XCOM but in WoD.
You play as the commander of the Coalition where you recruit Hunters from various organizations all over the world and you direct them to fight the supernaturals.
I'd call it Hunter: the Reckoning Inquisition.

>>98539406
Hunter: the Vigil: Reckoning V -- Hunters Hunted.

>>98539411
World of Darkness : Hunter: the Vigil: Reckoning V -- Hunters Hunted Extended Edition feat. Dante from Devil May Cry series.

>>98539370
I'm interested in VtM, HtV, and CtL primarily. I have some interest in WtF and VtR. My personal obscure favorite is nWoD blue books and the stuff in them. I could talk about that, and Vigil, ad nauseum. I'm the guy who's offering advice and feedback to any Vigilfag that talks about their game. I definitely have some strong opinions but at this point I don't want to argue about them anymore because it's just the same script over and over again.

I like gameposts, but don't really respond to any that aren't in my wheelhouse, and even then only if I have something to add. But I remember the good ones. I'm definitely going to steal the Lucifuge K9 officer idea I saw a while back. I share my own stories sometimes but they don't really get replies so I do that less and less now. Mostly just to throw bakeslave a bone if I have a relevant answer to the TQ.

When it comes to lorefagging, I like to discuss possibilities and theories rather than canon or metaplot. It's much more interesting that way, and dynamic too.

I've seen the "hey guys I live under a rock what's going on with (edition war bait)" routine enough times that I got mad and decided to head it off with my own incendiary statement. I still remember that period where we had a new person asking about V5 once every week despite the IP being in that build-up to Bloodlines 2 dead zone. It's not a "you're discussing something I don't like reeeee" situation, it's a "oh this looks like bait that I recall ruining threads" situation.

>>98539395
Forsaken is basically WTA but the Garou are neither eco terrorists, assholes, or doomed.
…So not really Garou at all.
Uratha’s deal is basically telling spirits to fuck off

>>98539446
oh and forgot Geist the Sin Eaters. I like that one too but I am not the most knowledgeable about it. I ran one shorter game of it that was fairly fast and loose.

>>98539406
You know what would be fun ? Werewolf beat em up. You would not have to change anything, you dont need any deep justification for what the fuck is happening. You are just a cool werewolf and you throw trucks into nuclear reactors because mommy earth is crying.
Put in a scene of a black fury protag castrating pentex executive by smashing his balls with her furry werewolf feet and it might even become a cult classic.

>>98539455
>I ran one shorter game of it that was fairly fast and loose.
What was it about? Share, share.

>>98539454
Uratha more like Urethra LOL

>>98539478
lmao

>>98539394
I posted a breakdown like two threads ago, lemme repost it.
>The Night Horrors: Wicked Dead pseudo-vampires make appearances and serve to spice up local politics or provide additional antagonists as the plot requires.

>Strix are folded into the Abyss, and are often the first type of abyssal creature that are manifested. While most of the Abyss is pelagic, the Birds of Dis occupy its uppermost reaches nesting in rocky outcroppings above a roiling inky black sea.

>Mekhet are a "lost" clan, descended from the Antediluvian of the same name. There are fewer of them than most bloodlines, and their existence is largely unknown.

>The Brothers of Ypres are a stabilized Caitiff lineage turned micro-bloodline, reworked their origin slightly so that Jones was actually embraced by Nomadic Sabbat who were working their way through the trenches. I'd consider doing this a few more times but I don't know enough requiem bloodlines and only the Brothers have piqued my interest so far.

>Syncretized the Circle of the Crone with Lilith worshippers, and use Cruac rituals + a handful of Thaum paths that are thematic (curses, weather control, green path) to form a more coherent Bahari blood sorcery style.

>Brought over Requiem Gargoyles, to avoid confusion everyone calls them Children of the Stones or Blood Golems. Tremere Gargoyles still exist, but are considered crude by many high Elders and Methuselah.

>>98539395
>Sell me on Forsaken.
If you like Apoc, I don't really know if I can. I like Forsaken precisely because it removes or distances itself from a lot of the Apoc stuff I dislike. It feels like, for lack of a better term, a second draft of the Spirit Warrior Werewolf that's not tied to a very 90s vision of the green movement. Also the big draw is a more diverse roster of antagonists. Despite technically having room for more, Apoc is very "oops all wyrmshit". And even the wyrmshit is Pentex 80% of the time.

>>98539455
Geist honestly feels undercooked. Like it's a cool idea, but half the text is just jacking off to Die de los Muertos and by the end of the book you realize Geists don't actually have a purpose or really at all much to get up to.

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Werewolf blogger here. My game's in 3 hours.
Amber the hobo goth girl died last game, so her player is making a new character today.

Her name's Lucine, or Bathe-in-Moonlight. She's a early 20s, 4'10" Glasswalker Metis (albino) as well as a Philodox. Also a master at wielding shotguns, and owns an IT tech company staffed by her kinfolk.

I wanna know how to prepare having a Philodox, and a Glasswalker in the game. What should I give them? What should I and the group be expecting of them?

>>98539495
>Despite technically having room for more, Apoc is very "oops all wyrmshit". And even the wyrmshit is Pentex 80% of the time.
While Ive had Pentex as the main antagonist in my story so far Ive tried to spice things up with the addition of vampires

>>98539495
Honestly, that’s why I like Forsaken.
The Wyrm is a neat antagonist, but it’s way too prevalent

>>98539406
Vampire Immersive Sim RPG with sex voicework, animation, writing, and immersion. Bloodlines but not shit like BL2.
Werewolf character action game with different tribes having different weapons like Ninja Gaiden Black
Mage CRPG like Disco Elysium with a ton of dialogue
Changeling Puzzle Exploration Game ala Outer Wilds
Wraith Third Person Survival Horror

>>98539464
Earthblood but not shit with bland combat that barely mentions the setting.

>>98539446
Based on the games that you didn't mention as ones that interest you and the absence of discussion surrounding most of the games that you are interested in excluding Vampire the Masquerade it seems that you rarely initiate discussion about your CofD interests. Why is that? Do you just sit around waiting for people to post about VtM and CofD so that you can reply to them? Why don't you push these threads in your preferred direction more actively?

>>98539506
SEXOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Idk, sorry. Never found people to play Woof with. Just wanted to hornypost.

>>98539538
Here’s what I would do
Werewolf: Ninja Gaiden
Changeling The Lost: Turgor
Uhhh

I don't want to sound conspiratorial or anything, but if you translate each letter to it's numerical position in the alphabet bakeslave adds up to the same number as the word hedgefag
Make of that what you will.

>>98539495
>If you like Apoc, I don't really know if I can.
Honestly, the traditional monster that murders actual monsters is a fantasy that heavily appeals to me, so I like Apocalypse a lot. Hunter doesn't actually appeal to me, though, because it misses the point by pretending that killing random people can make the world a better place. It's the Punisher thing, where even at his best he's just contributing to a system designed to hurt people and not actually helping anyone. That's why I like Vigil more; it turns Hunters into a business with complex motivations and conflicting interests instead of ethically dubious vigilante justice.

>>98539550
No worry. Once I told her that I post about my games here and that Amber was the favourite among the group she decided to make this one to please you guys. I jokingly told her that making Lucine the height of a 10 yo was probably a good move.

>>98539581
NTA but I feel the thing that always turned me off from WTA was how pants on head retarded the Garou’s culture is.
Like, how the fuck are you supposed to write a compelling character

>>98539605
You have to either be one of the few Garou actually trying to fix shit or you RP as a retard

>>98539506
Glass Walkers usually swing between great support and great ranged attacker.
Like, a decade ago my chronicle had a very ranged focused Glass Walkers. Full on Boom Boom as his totem, Gifts for guns like infinite ammo and umbral sniping. Dude was the deadliest Werewolf in a game with a Get of Fenris Ahroun.

>>98539546
ntw but I've been posting pretty regularly about my upcoming WtF game and getting zero replies. CofD draws very little attention here outside of "should I run Hunters Hunted or HtV?" unless it's a niche discussion about something like Geist.

>>98539395
As others have said, removing the apocalyptic antagonist means you can focus on other threats. As the Garou, why wouldn't you be devoting all of your time to combatting the Wyrm? Forsaken encourages you to choose any antagonist you like, and places the narrative thrust instead on the act of actually hunting these threats down. Who/what they are isn't as important as the fact that you are hunting them. There's additional worldbuilding stuff that separates the Garou and Uratha, but the most important difference is that of focus and intent.

>>98539289
>theyre just gonna keep trying with WoD over and over
Which WoD? Because they sure as shit isn't trying with oWoD.

>>98539614
I dont know much about WtF so I either didnt know what to say or didnt notice your posts

>>98539395
>>98539454
>Forsaken is basically WTA but the Garou are neither eco terrorists, assholes, or doomed.
While broadly true, this statement isn't entirely accurate. It's easy to forget since they're the protagonost faction, but Forsaken are barely 1/4th of the entire Uratha population. The books are explicit in saying that Pure outnumber them 3 to 1 or more. The landscape feels much different because there's entire tribes now that act in more or less reasonable fashion as opposed to Apocalypse where the protagonists were usually the outnumbered voice of reason within their tribe. Obviously there's bad apples in the Forsaken tribes, nobody's a saint here, but again, there's at least factional/institutional support for being a Reasonable Werewolf™. Plus, they do sometimes have to commit acts that are harmful to humans in order to maintain the spiritual balance of the local area, on top of wetting the odd witness who didn't forget everything even after suffering Lunacy.

Lastly, the Forsaken are still fighting an uphill, possibly losing war, because their sworn enemies outnumber them and have stronger spiritual bennies, the Hosts are an eternal game of whack-a-mole where one missed egg means all the blood spilled and friends lost in the battle were for nothing, and then there's the Bale Hounds plus their masters the Maeljin, and the massive blind spot that are the Idigam.

>>98539614
>ntw but I've been posting pretty regularly about my upcoming WtF game and getting zero replies. CofD draws very little attention here outside of "should I run Hunters Hunted or HtV?" unless it's a niche discussion about something like Geist.
Honestly, I get that.
CofD being more of a toolset than a set setting makes it so that there isn't much discussion to be had when every ST has their own worlds. At most you get discussion on the toolset itself. Like "based Pure" or the classic "spiritual ICE"

>>98539581
>Hunter doesn't actually appeal to me, though, because it misses the point by pretending that killing random people can make the world a better place. It's the Punisher thing, where even at his best he's just contributing to a system designed to hurt people and not actually helping anyone.
Wym-stinking hands typed this post on a Pentex-owned keyboard.

>>98539636
But I want to kill the people who own and operate Pentex. That's not random, and it does help.

>>98539649
Whoa Luigi, when did you get wi-fi in your cell?

>>98539633
>CofD being more of a toolset than a set setting makes it so that there isn't much discussion to be had when every ST has their own worlds.
If that were true nobody would ever have an incentive to share stories of their campaign. Nobody would ever bother posting about Their Dudes.

>>98539503
>Your Sin-Eater probably has unresolved issues tied to their death to deal with.
>Your Sin-Eater's Geist has unresolved issues tied to their death to deal with.
>Your Sin-Eater will have to juggle their personal goals with those of their Geist.
>Your Sin-Eater is a magnet for ghosts who want them to resolve their issues.
>Your Sin-Eater may still have connections to other mortals that matter to them.
>Your Sin-Eater will probably want to acquire connections and power in the Underworld to help them with their goals.
>Your Sin-Eater will probably have opinions about the state of the Underworld and want to side with certain factions there.
>Ultimately your Sin-Eater will have to choose to pursue Catharsis (perfect fusion with their Geist and the opportunity to move on to a true afterlife) or Cabeiros (absolute domination and consumption of their Geist to become a Chthonic God of the Underworld) or potentially try to bring about Catabasis (overthrowing the Chthonic Gods in a revolution of the Underworld and transforming it according to the Krewe's ethos).
I don't know, I think GtSE is pretty solid. Its Underworld is less solid than Wraith's, but that's because doing shit in the mortal world is much more important than it is in Wraith, due to Geist's focus on balance between life and death.

>>98539473
The game was set in Bone Creek, New Mexico, a fictional small town in Northeast New Mexico, close-ish to the Texas border but not on it. Originally a frontier trading post, it was slowly suffering the ignoble death that has come to many American small towns starting in the late 20th century. Though in the late 2010s and very beginning of the 2020s, it came back to life. Figuratively. One thing people miss about the recent house price crisis is that right before it reached a boiling point, there was a not insignificant exodus out of certain population centers back into the countryside. It's saved a lot of towns and counties, but fears of gentrification and political capture are valid. Nevertheless, Bone Creek was one of these stories, in stark opposition to the rest of the state. The scenic mountain probably helped.

But more than the town has been coming back to life. For whatever reason, the town has created four Sin-Eaters in less than a year. The barrier between the underworld and the real world is not just thin here, it's thinning. The PCs were those Sin Eaters, investigating the phenomenon in the town and attempting to find a fix for it before the ghosts choke the streets and kill their home a second time.

The fast and loose parts were both with parts of GTSE lore (their geists were just the actual ghosts of people who had died, and that if they went through the process of helping said ghost pass on, they could return to being normal mortals at the end of the Chronicle.)

>>98539503
See I don't like the games that give you a built-in "purpose". Needlessly narrows the scope. There's a lot that can be done with "I'm back from the dead, but with a ghost grafted to my soul". Even just doing the Ghost Whisperer with Stand battles can make for a fun chronicle conceit.

>>98539665
Honestly, I feel like the Krewes are too nebulous. People often feel confused about what they're supposed to be and do.

>>98539546
Man, you're assuming a lot based on one post I made at the beginning of the thread. Cut the armchair psychology, I already explained why I posted it and it wasn't out of "you're talking about something I don't like ree".

I like gameposts primarily, but I've posted conversation starters before. You're overthinking it.

>>98539614
>ntw but I've been posting pretty regularly about my upcoming WtF game and getting zero replies.
Wait, which game is this? If you're the britbong one I know I've been responding to your posts. Maybe I missed one, especially with how these threads move relatively fast, people can miss a thread or even several.

>>98539596
In my defense, I'm a Euro so I had no idea how much 4'10'' is, and couldn't be bothered to check. But now that I did, damn, ~147 cm is crazy for a grown-ass woman

>>98539665
One small thing that bothers my autism is language. How do you communicate with your Geist, and how do ghosts of different eras communicate in the Underworld? I don't think the game says anything about it.

>>98539633
>"based Pure"
I don't actually think they're based, but I am proud of my ability to shill a few other anons on how fun they can be.

>>98539612
I see. Well she told me that she put Firearms at 5 with a specialty in shotguns. For now they are all rank 1.

Also I’m wondering how much renown, if any, I should award to the group for their last fight. Four garous against 6 bikers with shotguns (one of them was selling vitae infused cocaine). One of the garou died and two others are on the verge of death at 6 aggravated. Last one is unarmed I think (at least no agg damage).

Also from now on I’m considering assigning them a DMPC just for extra muscle.

How about fanmade splats? Tried any? Any that are good?

My biggest issue with chronicles isn't the lore(or lack there of in many spots), it's the way they double down on the pretentious nameing conventions of classic wod to the point of parody.
Take "Vampire: the Requiem" for examle. The fuck is a "Requiem"? It's a vague reference to the ennui of being a vampire and doesn't actually matter to the setting despite how much the writers try to force it as something important. It's the same issue as "Reckoning" in hunter 5, there is no actual "Reckoning" with the imbued gone.
Compare vs "Vampire: the Masquerade". What the fuck is a "Masuerade"? It's the in-universe law that all vampires must hide or the vampire government will fucking dust you. The vampire government does this because humanity outnumbers vampires 1,000 to 1 and will easily wipe them the fuck out if vampires are revealed. Literally everything in the setting revolves around or is affected by the masquerade to varying degrees, making it The most important plot point in the setting. Thus, the name.

>>98539736
How would you fix the naming scheme?

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>>98539581
>Hunter doesn't actually appeal to me, though, because it misses the point by pretending that killing random people can make the world a better place.
Sounds like a shizo skill issue. Normal hunters keep winning.

>>98539736
While I disagree with the example you've given, I do agree on the spirit. The fact that every group and term has to have a Word with which they're referred to ends up getting real clunky. I'm sorry Chronicles but 'Variation' is a shit name for what's basically a superpower, and I didn't know what a Clade was until I read it on Deviant for the first time

>>98539581
>the Punisher thing
>not actually helping anyone
Holy Pentex glowie post. Tell me you don't know shit about the Punisher without telling me you don't know shit about the Punisher

>>98539740
I genuinely don't fucking know. Most of the good names were either taken by classic wod already. We also can't re-use names, because 90% of the time cofd removed the metaplot point that would have made the name good.
There genuinely might not be any good solutions.

Alright so how would you do a haunted animatronic from a certain game series? Promethean?

>>98539794
Nah, Wraith would be the easiest way to explain their weirdness.

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>>98539323
Mage, Walter is a marauder

>>98539581
>another midwit oneshotted by systems thinking

>>98539299
>but was told if he did that they wouldn't greenlight him to write Changeling (I think it was Dreaming 20th specifically)
No. He wanted to work on Lost 2e.

>>98539312
The only WoD splat I prefer to CofD is Wraith over Geist. Some game lines like VtM and VtR are pretty even though. I probably would have liked a fully realized DtF over DtD though.

>>98539736
My problem with the name "requiem" is the fact it rolls off the tongue like a mouthfull of marbles. "Masquerade" is easier to say even if it's the kind of classy-pretentious you'd expect from a ventrue.

>>98539614
>ntw but I've been posting pretty regularly about my upcoming WtF game and getting zero replies.
That's pretty normal regardless of the game. People would just much rather sit around and rehash lore or argue than talk about something someone is doing. For what it's worth, I do appreciate you for making those attempts though and have responded at times.

>>98539689
The five Krewe archetypes are there to help players design characters around a particular shared perspective and goal, which will help the ST figure out the direction that the game should go in. Mixing archetypes makes a functional krewe a lot harder, since you'll need to figure out what they have in common and why they should work together.
Fury Krewes seek justice for ghosts, typically by punishing those responsible for the circumstances that made them ghosts in the first place.
Mourner Krewes help the living remember the forgotten ghosts of the Underworld to keep them from withering away into nothing.
Necropolitan Krewes bring joy and relief to the ghosts of the Underworld and give them the chance to reconnect with the living.
Pilgrim Krewes are more interested in helping ghosts move on for good and move on to the real afterlife, instead of lingering in the Underworld.
Undertaker Krewes are more about resolving the troubles of the living before they die, so that they never become ghosts in the first place.
Some of these might seem pretty boring or wish-washy. Where's the conflict or stakes for a Necropolitan Krewe, who just want to give ghosts a good time? Then you remember that they'll have to deal with Reapers who seek to drag every ghost into the Underworld, and Gatekeepers who will want to kick their asses for thinning the barrier between life and death, and necromancers and ghost eaters who might want to try and enslave or eat the ghosts that the Necropolitans are guiding to their living relatives.
Like most WoD and CofD games, it's just a case of reading through the entire book and figuring out how everything connects together.

Guys I like the spiders I think they are very cool

>>98539633
I can half agree with your point, if you overengineer a setting and have to explain it every time you post then you're not helping your case. Ultimately, WoD is more popular. Even when you specify a CofD question, you will get WoD answers a lot of the time. Rehashing old arguments about a largely solved-setting lorewise is easier for responses, like some bizarro Cunningham's Law.

>>98539705
That's me, I've appreciated the help a lot. We're actually ready to start the campaign next week, the PCs will be escaping a scrapyard-turned prison as the campaign begins with the characters having been kidnapped by the Pure. "You all wake up in a shipping container" feels like a decent enough start.

>>98539901
Much appreciated anon.

>>98539915
Azlu hands typed this post.

>>98539794
CofD ghost possession.

>>98539915
Ok, what kind of spider? This is very important and your future in the great plan will depend on it.

>>98539936
Jumping spiders are cool

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>>98539734
1 or 2 renown each? Defeating 6 bikers with shotguns isn't really that glorious, especially if they aren't fomori.

>>98539940
The Grand Designer is pleased with your answear.

>>98539506
>Two Metis and Two Lupus now
Your pack is basically collecting the Nation's rejects at this point.

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>>98539824
WALTUH
>>98539366
Thanks. While I've found through pageturning the Corebook and listening to an Actual Play that the setting seems interesting, I already have a voice in my head ocassionally telling me to do horrible things to myself and those I love so it's probably a bad idea to encourage that. Not to mention that while I'm currently looking for a solo experience and something to sink into hours and consume lore, I'd like to have actual players sometime.

Mage it is, thanks, maybe I can explain the trauma manifestations as Umbral realm or "A Marauder did it". Inb4 I fall into IRL Jhor.

>>98539406
You can do XCOM in Mage:The Ascension too using the Void Engineers, they're basically already XCOM

>Literally fighting aliens in space
>Studies and incorporates alien tech
>Fighting an existential war for mankind against posthumans
>Has to do border patrol for the umbra
>Explores the ocean and fights weird shit in it
>Constantly has to deal with angry garou because they shoot spirits
>Uses Tradition Auxiliaries and deprogrammed technos from other conventions when able

The NWO meanwhile is well suited to a conspiracy simulator

The sheer gall of the Lasombra to call anyone else a pretender king when their "sect" is a glorified Tzimisce welfare state.

>>98539406
For me it's
>Doom clone but with different technocratic conventions for each chapter. Each convention has unique playstyles based on their spheres and MO.
>Tropico but it's a technocratic experiment you're managing

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>>98539372
>and I also dislike both versions of Mage

>>98539614
>>98539926
Anon, my first real WoD game was WtF, and it was the hardest, most exhausting game I have, or ever will, run.
I had grown men and women in tears with that game. My group was so goddamn invested in the world and each other, it's my white whale to chase, never to catch.
I almost wish I never ran it, especially because I cut the game off because all the endings of the game were going to be tragic.

>>98540077
White room power level autists did a lot to convince everyone else to hate anything to do with Mage.

>>98540124
Issue is, online white-rooming, boty powerwank and memeshit, is 90% of discussion about wod. Not just mage either. Most people in the wod communitty are nogames who've never played mage, werewolf, or even Vampire.

>>98540074
I like your first idea, the conventions all either have a military arm or people going out to shoot shit so it's kind of a natural fit

>>98540124
>>98540148


Letting powerleveling spergs ruin your enjoyment of a tttrpg is pretty midwitted desu.

>>98540181
Thankfully, I didn't. Big fan of Ascension, less so of Awakening because I consider it boring as hell.

>>98540124
No, it's not that, insufferable as magefags can be.

I don't care for the consensus and I don't care for hyper-gnostic wizard demiurges. Both versions of Mage make sweeping cosmological declarations that I don't like. Moreover, I don't like the sphere system. I think it's too broad. I understand, in theory, the logic behind a free magic system. It avoids the pitfalls of D&D style Vancian magic but in practice I think it's too broad and permissive, turning a lot of casting into mother may I. There's a reason for the joke about how nobody actually knows how to play mage, they just think they do. Something like Ars Magicka's Noun+Verb is a better compromise I think. I know a lot of people say they prefer Foundations and Pillars but idk enough about it to comment. This isn't to say that I think the Mage/s are without merit as games, just that they really aren't my cup of tea.

I could go on but I'm not really in the mood to argue about the merits and finer points of a pair of games that lose me on the very premise.

>>98540084
This sounds like one hell of a story anon, care to share some of it?

>>98539945
Going by your pic, seems like they only earned 2 glory for surviving their wounds

>>98540011
lol

>>98540011
Anon, lupus are treated like kings by pretty much all the tribes. Having so few of them is basically the only drawback the Glass Walkers see about living in the city

>>98539323
There's an actual Silent Hill fansplat, actually. Here.

https://files.catbox.moe/0xuxh2.pdf

>>98539581
>not actually helping anyone

I dunno. If a hunter killed the vampire keeping my as a blood doll, I'd feel pretty helped.

>>98539581
>killing the monster eating people in the night doesn't actually help anybody, it just contributes to a system of violence!!
it takes a truly impressive amount of thinking to somehow logic yourself into this position.It's like the killing a killer argument but significantly worse.

>>98540329
Kino.

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>>98540337
killing that individual vampire didn't address the abstract structures of power governing human/vampire relations, you should have sacrificed yourself to bring awareness to them instead

>>98539945
>2 renown for taking on a master mage( same as killing a fae warrior or any other fera)
Can't decide between "garou are retarded" and "garou can't tell apart mages and sorcerers, so when they say master mage they mean a strong sorcerer, and not an actual master mage"

>>98540337
What if she was hot, though?

>>98540152
>the conventions all either have a military arm or people going out to shoot shit so it's kind of a natural fit
Pretty much. It would also make sense setting-wise. There's always someone causing them trouble, pogrom or not. The different playstyle of each convention would make it a bit different compared to all other Doom clones.

>>98540383
Who said I'm only killing one vampire? Power structures don't matter when you commit genocide.

>>98540398
Then I kill the hunter then myself

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>>98540383
>killing that individual vampire didn't address the abstract structures of power governing human/vampire relations, you should have sacrificed yourself to bring destruction to all vampires instead
Ftfy

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>>98539581
>the Punisher thing, where even at his best he's just contributing to a system designed to hurt people and not actually helping anyone
I agree, if you kill a couple of pedophiles you have reduced the total happiness in the World, makes perfect sense.

>>98540441
Targeting people for that is obnoxious virtue signalling. You aren't just failing to make a difference, you aren't even trying. If you actually cared, you'd go after the rich and powerful, people who have real influence in the world and use it to make the world worse. Even targeting vampires is missing the point, because vampires don't actually have to kill anybody, so you're just using dead bodies to justify hate crimes instead of the institutions that create violence in the first place.

>>98540397
It’s neither, killing anything not Wyrm tainted just awards less renown by default. Case in point, killing an untainted archmage has the same renown reward as killing an average formori

>>98539581
>>98540467
Oh, I get it now, this anon is a Beast.

>>98539257
>any chance NWoD is ever coming back or being continued?
In V5 and W5, there were obscure references to changelings, but they were describing the Lost version instead of the Dreaming version. So it's possible C6 will be Lost-based, assuming Paradox doesn't drive the franchise into the ground

>>98540469
>Case in point, killing an untainted archmage has the same renown reward as killing an average formori
I like to imagine this is because most lupus and metis can't even Dpell the word archmage, let alone understand how powerful they get. As far as the garpu nation thinks, it's the same kind of "magic human" as the kinfolk shaman that makes really good tea. Hardly worth considering.

>>98540441
What Spheres do I need to permanently ruin someone's reputation with a piece of art like Bike Cuck and Buckley did? Mind and Correspondence with a digital art foci with the VA paradigm that your online presence defines you and will follow you forever?

>>98540507
They are peripherally aware of the Awakened, but only as pretentious despoilers that presume themselves above their stature and will defile the sacred lands, and therefore deserve to be executed. They can work with Mages sometimes, but always think themselves above Mages as Mages are merely human. A genuine archmage is probably something no Garou meets and lives to tell the tale.

>>98540467
>vampires don't actually have to kill anybody
extracting blood by force is at least aggravated assault and the vast majority do not take the consensual feeding only restriction

>>98540519
For whatever reason, memetic warfare falls under Entropy 5. All you need to do is bind the idea that a particular image is deserving of the utmost mockery to that image and as it spreads, so too will the idea, until now one takes the image or its maker seriously.

>>98540507
Nah, it’s definitely “you’re supposed to be killing wyrmspawn, not random creatures you think might be a fun fight”

>>98540469
Obviously. But it still scales in threat. A Master mage is explicitly compared to a Fae Warrior (presumably a Changeling?) or any other Fera in renown. These are not equal threat categories.

>>98540317
Imagine you're a Glass Walker and the pack decides you have to teach essentially someone's grug cousin from scratch all the technology. It'd be miserable

>>98540467
>If you actually cared, you'd go after the rich and powerful.
\The ventrue can get it too, anon.

>Even targeting vampires is missing the point, because vampires don't actually have to kill anybody, so you're just using dead bodies to justify hate crimes instead of the institutions that create violence in the first place.
No, I don't feel a need to justify my hate crimes. Why would I justify shit to a filthy bloodsucking leech? Also, am I supposed to just ask the vampires to stop feeding without consent? If you think it'll work, please walk into the nearest Sabbat stronghold and try that.

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You know it would be really funny if W6 starts with the Cult of Fenier having (hopefully metaphorical) nuclear suicide tantrum and the remnants are playable.

Are the traditions even still fighting the technocracy in M20 or is it just trying to subvert the bigger picture by convincing teenagers that magick is real?

>>98540705
M20 tried to do away with the crafts by folding them into the Traditions, went back and forth on whether Revised happened for a while, and also pretended the Technocracy isn't totally evil, before ultimately deciding that actually everyone is corrupt and founding your own faction is the only responsible course, despite having also removed any support-base for a new polity. So the Traditions are bad, but they're fighting the Technocracy, who is bad, and new Mages are generally recruited by the Traditions, but you have to gather up the new Mages to make your own Tradition, with blackjack and hookers.

>>98540721
To be fair there isn't a single faction in mage that isn't a monstrous jackass at one point or another.

I know the faction you are about to mention, they are so monumentally irrelevant they could have been cut from the game and no one would fucking notice in and out of universe.

>>98540721
>and also pretended the Technocracy isn't totally evil,
I'm sorry, would you like Control to retroctively remove it's interventions for the past 50 years so we can let You deal with the alien invasion and ranvos antedeluvian instead?

>>98540749
If the Technocratic Union wasn't in charge those creatures wouldn't have been woken up in the first place.

>>98540786
how did they cause the antediluvian to wake up?

>>98540786
Anon, Threat Null is a separate issue from the ongoing alien invasion. That shit's been going on since 2e, Threat Null is revised.

>>98540749
>let You deal with the alien invasion
Which one? Aren't there like 3 completely different invasions?

>>98540226
A lot of this sums up my feelings as well.

>>98540811
Would the technocrats even know that? I'm pretty sure the scenes involving them all end up a chaotic mess of plasma fire and screaming.

>>98540749
Yes. I'm running out of methuselae to kill.

>>98540806
Are aliens still remotely invading in the wake of Threat Null. Also who are the invading ayys? I know about the 4 dimensional niggas that sometimes worj with nephandi

WHO DID IT BETTER - AND WHY?

The Traditions vs. the Pentacle

The Technocratic Union vs. the Seers of the Throne

The Marauders vs. the Mad

The Nephandi vs. the Scelesti

I don’t like CTD because of “Banality”
Same problem with the Wyrm ngl, where despite being a genuinely interesting villain, it’s so omnipresent yet so one note that it just kinda removes its impact and potential for storytelling. Every conflict leads back to the Wyrm or Banality somehow, and I feel that crushes the ability to tell stories.
That and the lengths some Changelings go to avoid it can come across as downright sociopathic, but I think that’s by design.

>>98540988
>t. Midwit with no sense of nuance or esoteric understanding
If you think seeing the Wyrm as the ultimate Evil is the only way to run a WtA chronicle, that’s a skill issue. Same with CtD. Yes, you have to stave off Banality, but other than that, you’re free to do what you want. Politicking among Noble Houses, going on modern day Arthurian quests, explore the Dreaming, investigate strange incidents, even, may God forgive me for even uttering this, a SoL chronicle.

>>98541027
The problem is that it all ties back to Banality.

>>98541027
>may God forgive me for even uttering this, a SoL chronicle.
What does hunter have to do with CTD?

Lost is more childish than the Dreaming could ever hope to be.
>I'll have to grow up eventually, but I can still keep a bit of wonder
VS
>Nothing is my fault, it's all the True Fae's fault, I'm going to sit in my magical world forever

>>98541114
Nice bait, but for the benefit of the uninitiated I'll set the record straight: Consistently neglecting your mortal half (such as, indeed, holing up in Fairyland and never coming back to the mortal world) is a fast track to losing all your Clarity (i.e. sanity) and ending up a drooling schizophrenic or a True Fae

>>98541126
Honestly it saddens me that the dreamingfags keep trying to attack Lost just to feel better about themselves. Chill out dude.

>>98541136
Nah, I’m a Lost fan but my intrusive thoughts about causing immeasurable suffering to myself via admitting harsh truths simply because I don’t want to be happy with who I am as a person win all the time

>>98541140
Like, imagine telling yourself repeatedly
“You are going to die alone, nobody loves you, you have no worth, and people will forget you.”
My brain does that all the time. I feel an almost pathological need to make myself miserable and I hate it

>>98541126
>spoiler

The main antagonist of the CtL game I'm currently in is one of those.

>>98541145
As in a human who went nuts?

>>98541162
A changeling who bottomed out clarity and maxed out wyrd, becoming a True Fae.

>>98541180
That’s kinda what I meant

>>98541126
Do Lostfags not know about Dreaming’s Bedlam?

>>98541143
That and I always say shit that I don’t agree with simply out of the hopes that someone will prove it wrong

>>98541140
>>98541143
Bro, I don't really see the relevance to WoD but let me just say, I have similar intrusive thoughts. My mind tends to wander to dark places, and my somewhat maladaptive solution is to blast it out with noise. Do something, listen to something, always have something else on the mind.

I know it's a shit time for the soul, what with social atomization wreaking havoc, and I know I'm just another rando on the internet. But fighting it is the best option. I sympathize with you, I wish you the best, and I have confidence that you can overcome it.

>>98541263
I wish I did

>>98541263
wholesome post

Maybe Dreaming and its whole gimmick about wonder and whimsy is more relevant than it has ever been

>>98541271
Well, you clearly have some worth and value, because an anon on 4chan felt the need to give you some words of encouragement. No matter how fruity and cringe it might sound. Even if it's off-topic and some tranny janny might delete the post. You matter, and I know because I've been there.

>>98541294
I once saw this animated pilot made by an animator called NeroGeist and I wish it got a series.
https://youtu.be/pZxdXqykXRk?si=RgzqMKjEH8kQLM64
The reason I bring this up is because IDK, something in this makes me wonder "What if CtD was like this?"
IDK what the fuck it is, something just speaks to me

>>98541064
The problem with Vampire is that it all ties back to Caine, the problem with Mage is that it all ties back to Consensus. I could do this with CofD too if you like, every splat has a central premise that serves the foundation for what it does.

>>98541114
Changeling has feminine energy compared to Mage's masculine desire to study, interact with and rule over reality with Will

>>98541136
There is usually a bit of back and forth. For every anon who whines about fairy rape trauma, there's usually another anon who whines about otherkin pedophilia.

>>98541382
I think you can reconcile Mage and Werewolf cosmology since it's pretty similar but yeah vampire doesn't play nice

Mesugaki loli True Fae

How Sots see the average Kithain
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UXTQ5HmpT8

>>98541382
I feel the difference is that Caine isn't omnipresent within every conflict. He's the instigator, but not the active threat behind everything

>>98541441
Isn't he? He's the Beast in your blood, he's the source of your Disciplines, he's the Curse that keeps you from going out into sunlight, he is the conflict between authority and subordinate. Absolutely everything that a vampire is comes from Caine and you cannot participate in a single conflict without something at least somehow tied to Caine coming up.

The most fun way to play Lost is to have your Seeming/Kith be completely at odds with the kind of person you're playing as.
Example
>Seeming: Fairest
>Kith: Flowering
>Actual personality: Tough as nails, martial artist, constantly got into street fights. Mainly because his martial arts are one of the only things he remembers from his old life.

>>98541451
I personally disagree. It's not like Caine himself is actively threatening to eat away at you or killing those you love like Banality or the Wyrm are.
We're merely suffering the consequences of his actions all those eons ago.

>>98541454
The Beast and the thirst for blood are vital parts of the Curse of Caine, so I wouldn't say that's correct.

>>98541188
Ah. Yeah she had cut out a niche for herself as a seeress and general mystic woman in pre-Roman Britain, and the Romans invading and basically upending her whole mundane world sent her down a spiral of madness and fatalism, eventually leading to her ascension to True Fae. Beyond that, the details are unclear.

What we do know is that she gets her kicks mindbreaking Changelings into believing all is predetermined by fate, by the Wyrd itself, and so they'll join her throng. Misery seemingly loves company, and now as a True Fae, a being of fate and wyrd itself, she thinks she's the only solace Britain's Changelings are going to get. So she causes calamity to drive changelings into her arms. Yeah, batshit crazy is accurate.

>>98541294
If only it was interesting to actually play rather than shit on it.

>>98541459
I love that shit
>Remembers her human life
>Why would she care when this is more fun?
IDK, that sounds neat.

>>98541458
Those are still just consequences of his actions rather than an active threat within the game.

>>98541452
Just one issue, you need to come up with a reason for why a True Fae saw fit to turn someone into something complete at odds with what they are. Why would a True Fae turn a tough as nails martial artist into Flowering Fairest?

If the answer is "for shit at giggles, for the irony of subverting someone's identity entirely," then you end up with effectively the same True Fae every time.

>>98540801
By making populations big enough to sustain that many Vampires in the first place.
Jokes aside their influence not being there would butterfly most of the 2000s horrors on way or the other, at the cost of everyone being in a mediocre situation.

>>98541470
The Jyhad is also a manifestation of the Curse of Caine, which is what the conflict with the Antediluvians, between elder and neonate, and between sects revolves around.

When basically every meaningful threat to a vampire's existence in the game comes directly or indirectly from the Curse of Caine, it's hard to say that it isn't omnipresent in every conflict, as an extension of Caine.

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>>98541472
Because he's was a bit of a prettyboy who also liked growing flowers I guess
>This man clearly loves growing plants
>Yet subjects himself to brutality all the time
>I know!
The True Fae doesn't understand that you can hold two different completely hobbies at once because that doesn't make sense in storytelling logic.
IDK, I thought that sounded neat.

>>98541452
I like to do unorthodox takes without completely breaking type. My current Changeling is an Ogre Farwalker, and while he is brutish and very rude, he's not dumb at all and well composed. Also, despite being stupid strong, he's not of particularly imposing size. He's a bit taller and broader than average, but by Ogre standards he's small. If someone were to actually examine his muscles though they'd notice how insanely dense and taut they are. Real sleeper build.

>>98541467
Yeah, I'm looking forward to whenever we finally get a face to face with her, instead of just piecing things together from research and interrogating her minions.

>>98541482
>>98541382
I don't know if you are being willfully ignorant, but the difference should be very clear, a mage can exist without dealing with paradox all the time (unless he's an archmage, which PCs aren't going to be 99% of the time), vampires can ignore Caine, most don't even know anything about him or care.
Changelings deal with banality at every single moment, I recall an example from the rulebook being trying to enter a car that is too small for your "real" self, it's always there all the time and it impacts how your character interacts with the World in a very negative way, this turned me off immediately, and the main go to insult from changelingfags "you don't have le imagination/whimsy", you think a Mage doesn't need imagination and they don't deal with extraordinary and whimsical situations and beings all the time, but they are also much more than that.

>>98539003
No more sloppa, PLEASE.

>>98541506
It'd be freaky if she was totally lucid, but basically had given up on being human entirely.
>I don't die
>I don't age
>Anything I want, I get
>My stories never end
>This is the ecstasy of my existence.

>>98541514
>vampires can just ignore Caine
>vampire can just ignore the Beast, the Jyhad, the thirst, sun sensitivity, etc
If you're free to blame the clash between chimeric reality and physical reality on Banality, I'm free to blame the vampiric condition and everything that it involves on Caine.
You're free to not enjoy the conditions of a changeling's existence, but don't pretend that other splats don't have similar factors that force them to revolve around their new nature.

>>98541532
Yeah like can we talk about how RAW the Curse makes it almost impossible for Garou to interact with humans in many ways, at all?

Since V6 is taking a back to legacy approach to the lore I wonder what it means werewolf and hunter assuming 6e survives to those game lines. Like H6 is simple since it could just go full Vigil and have the imbued one of the many hunter the players can join along side the Second inquisition whose probably Nerfed due to a combination of they leaders dying in the middle east and Funding cuts.

W6 is much harder since it's designed from the ground up to not be legacy. Like the easiest solution is to end W5 setting with an apocalypse book and movie back to legacy and pretend that everything fine. Which I personally suspect paradox won't allow to happen for a verity of arbitrary reason like "IP consistency", a futile attempt at retain W5 fans and/or they Really uncomfortable with the concept of kinfolk and metis, going back to legacy means bring them back which would render it a no starter in they eyes.

I honesty suspect that the result is a unhappy compromise where it's still W5 setting but events push it closer to legacy, Like the more moderate section of the Cult purging most of they more extreme members and rebrand back to the Get and the founding of the New Garou Republic.

>>98541553
>legacy
Begone with your gay-ass official Discord jargon.
Any "legacy lore" shit is just empty pandering to old-timers and insistence that V6 is going to be just like the good old days, when it's just something fundamentally different shambling around in a VtM skin suit.
So W6 might be all "Gaia is alive again! There is hope! Rage for the future!" but it'll still have all of the cultureless clans and the same nihilistic, centrist bullshit with a coat of old-timey paint on top.

>>98541532
I think you've cracked the code to typical /WoDg/ & /CofDg/ discourse, anon.
[Thing I like] is deep, nuanced and awesome, which is why it's played by serious roleplayers like me!
[Thing I don't like] is shallow, one note and lame, which is why it's only played by retards and power gamers.

>>98541578
>So W6 might be all "Gaia is alive again! There is hope! Rage for the future!" but it'll still have all of the cultureless clans and the same nihilistic, centrist bullshit with a coat of old-timey paint on top.
... That's basically what I said W6 would be. An unhappy Compromise. No need to get mad about it.

>>98541602
Heh

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>>98541519
I will try to do better next time.

>>98541553
>Like the more moderate section of the Cult purging most of they more extreme members
Not exactly the first time.

>>98541602
>[Thing I like] is deep, nuanced and awesome, which is why it's played by serious roleplayers like me!
To be fair, I only really get this vibe from VtM and CofD fans. Everyone who likes literally any WoD splat other than VtM usually has the self-awareness to admit that they get a little silly and retarded but that it's part of the charm.

>>98541616
Nuts

>>98541616
Honestly for me one of the most fun pitch to Ascension was something along the lines of ''You can have space marines fighting wizards and naked druids on Mars, also the space marine is larping so hard that if he takes off his helmet he suffocates and dies''

>>98541605
>Not exactly the first time.

Ah yes I renumber that issue where Captain Rage was thrown into the dark future of 2020 via a botched moon bridge jump.

Him teaching the Ex-cult pup to rage for them selves and not for others is really wholesome.

>>98541553
how much they are able to safe werewolf and the get of fenrir especially depends on if murmar is still the guy in charge of overseeing wod from paradox's side which we don't know yet because the new white wolf hasn't published anything yet because if he still is around then fat chance of anything nordic being featured in anything resembling a positive light even if the fans want it.
Probably the reason why W6 is not even on the list of planned projects right now

>>98541645
Honestly I'm suspecting 6e might not survive past C6 DESU.

>>98541652
let's see it even managing to get one book out

given how absurdly negativ the feedback to the playtest was even in online spaces that liked v5 wod6 might not surrive v6 if they don't make some serious changes

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Circling way back to the ethics of being a Hunter section, there's actually a good bit of nuance that I think often gets overlooked.

Obviously, there's nothing morally wrong with killing some Sabbat fuckhead that views humans as livestock and thinks terrorizing and murdering an innocent person is a fun evening. But a "normal" neonate is a different story. Yeah, your typical false pretense feeding, even if nonviolent, is basically a weird in-between of assault and rape. But it gets messier from there. Very few vampires agreed to their embrace. Even those that may have said yes very likely had little idea what they were getting into. Worse still, feeding in small amounts frequently staves off the far worse result of trying to starve yourself out, which inevitably results in frenzy and the death of an innocent. Vampires in frenzy are not in control of their actions at all. Even if one does not believe the beast is actually a full on will of its own, it's essentially a hunger/anger/fear driven psychotic break/fugue state hybrid. And this state of being was essentially forced on the vampire in question.

Now of course, there's counters. Feed only on animal blood, for one. That's easy to say, but let's be honest here. Animal blood tastes bad. Not like bland chicken bad, cardboard bad. At best. Even meh human blood tastes amazing. Imagine having to force yourself to eat horrible tasting food every day forever, when there's juicy ribeyes, baked potatoes, and ice cream constantly being dangled in front of you. Or the "just kill yourself" argument. Again, easy to say, but hard in practice. Many religions prohibit suicide. Even an atheist may struggle with the idea of just killing themselves, survival instincts are strong.

This isn't some sort of sweeping for vampires, but there are certainly cases where hunting and killing one isn't black and white. And those are interesting, albeit rare situations. Since the most hunted vampires are the ones that leave a trail of dead.

>>98541652
>DESU

... that's a weird censor.

>>98541659
because of the True Black Hand

>>98541639
I love all of the different approaches to interplanetary Umbral travel in Mage.

Void Engineers
>We need a fully functional spaceship with state of the art technology to propel it and heaps of life support if we don't want to die in a billion different ways out there.
Sons of Ether
>A protective suit is all you need when you're on deck, while the ship sails on the solar currents and carries you to your destination.
Order of Hermes
>We don't need ships at all. All we require is a ritual circle, an army of acolytes and the right runes to invoke the spirit of the right planet, then we can just make a portal that takes us there.
Verbena and Dreamspeakers
>Wait, you guys need portals and ships? We just walk there after paying the right spirits chiminage to give us access.
Cult of Ecstasy
>I got high and I woke up on Pluto, what do?

>>98541652
Ideally, it doesn't even get past V6. I think there's a chance for that, 5th edition had 3 games in 8 years, so clearly they're not that good at getting stuff out. My guess is they'll start on Mage, get bogged down in development hell, and eventually Paradox gets tired of it.

>>98541616
I guess I prefer Lost specifically because why would I play a game where a bad ending is the only long-term option within the game's lore?
That doesn't sound very fun to write stories for I guess, because it's this thing at the back of your mind. Like, you gotta have a potential light at the end of the tunnel that gives the struggle meaning.
Maybe I'm just a sucker for that kinda shit.

>>98541657
I mean they say the same about V5...

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>>98541659
A while back, 4chan was absolutely flooded with obnoxious AAVE-style communication, so filters were put in place to quash it.

Try typing this out.

>>98541657
>even in online spaces that liked v5
Especially in online spaces that like V5. Nowhere hates V6 more than the Paradox Discord server. The place is basically in open revolt right now.

>>98541676
>a bad ending is the only long-term option
You are going to die and there's nothing that you can do about it. There is no escape from this, this is the only certain outcome of your existence.
Is your life just a meaningless struggle?

>>98541665
lmao is this actually how ecstatics travel between planets?

>>98541695
Nah

>>98541698
It's more that they achieve a higher state of existence through some exercise of transcendence that can allow them to bypass space and time if they have the right Spheres for it to end up exactly where they want to be, and sometimes that exercise involves drugs.

>>98541698
it's heavily simplified but Cult of Ecstasy correspondence most often does look like walking through a lsd dimension of your own making

>>98541675
>Ideally, it doesn't even get past V6. I think there's a chance for that, 5th edition had 3 games in 8 years, so clearly they're not that good at getting stuff out. My guess is they'll start on Mage, get bogged down in development hell, and eventually Paradox gets tired of it.

Or 6E would be a series of bootlegs of other games since V6 is a Daggerheart/Powered by the Apocalypse ripoff. Like M6 is Unknown Armies, H6 is delta green, W6 is LANCER and I don't know what game is applicable for changeling.

>>98541684
Oh I wonder how it deals with Ryosu's acronyms.

Like SANGRIA or SYNC and maybe BARF

>>98541712
>Like SANGRIA or SYNC and maybe BARF

Huh so the PM hordes didn't infiltrate 4chan yet..

>>98541705
>>98541710
Hmm, now I wonder how would you guys build a combat focused Ecstatic? Get fucked on DMT and use that to get precognition?

>>98541705
Literally getting so high they become able to fly through space

>>98541720
> Get fucked on DMT and use that to get precognition?
why do you think their sphere is time?

Werewolf blogger here. Game went well but also way too long

>Group is currently down to three garous after bar fight
>Looted the biker bar of its cocaine and guns
>Then spent 6 days licking their wounds
>At the second day they were introduced to Amber’s replacement. Lucinne the metis whiter than snow and midget Glasswalker. She has lost her memory
>Also with Lucinne was the DMPC Kaycee, the homid Fianna Ahroun, also known as the Werewolf Fairy Knight. She has been spirited away as a kid and is heavily absent-minded. Also has foggy memories of the previous years
>The Theurge’s player was vehemently opposed to DMPCs but Kaycee is just extra muscles to prevent TPK. And she takes no decision. Only fun rp opportunities. The others were in favour
>At the end of the break the group decided to hold a funeral for Amber. This allowed them to gain extra renown
>Lucinne was jealous that Amber’s 12 yo friend was taller than her
>Afterwards they decided to go to town
>Funny scene happened because they asked Kaycee to take off her armor because medieval larping in the middle of the city and subtle
>Kaycee stripped naked and Lucinne swiftly had to cover her, find her clothes and dress her like a doll high on weed
>After they went to the church were a setite was hiding
>Turns out that they hand out vitae alongside the blood of Christ. Thugs were particular fans of it
>Nakia tried to sneak but botched
>Wondering-Spirit and Rémi tried to talk their way out and botched
>A fight ensued between the pack and 4 thugs + three ghoul priests (forgot to count thugs as ghouls)
>All but one thug and one priest survived
>Wondering-Spirit tanks when he’s in Crinos, Nakia did stuff, Kaycee had a sword fight against the head priest (Saber vs Kotomine Kirei), Rémi fell under a Wyrm fueled rage and Lucinne kicks tons of ass thanks to her shotgun

>>98541720
>Turn the rave laser light show into cutting lasers
>dance fighting to the beat with crazy levels of coordination & flexibility (stacking dice pools)
>pill that makes you go all out
>have an out of body experience (kick the shit out of everyone from the Astral plane)
>power cord on the guitar does physical damage, your slick riff can tear flesh from bones
>alcohol is now acid
>cocaine
>pill that let's you see weakpoints
>cellphone of summon niggas
>enchanted bling rings
>channel the power of Mr. T

>>98541665
Sons of Ether shouldnt need suits or ships if they have the right mentality. Breathe deep the Ether of the cosmos & fly on wings of moonlight to the distant stars

>>98541741
>midget Glasswalker
The deformed or proportional kind?

Battago are a cool idea

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>>98541755
>>98539095
This idea is why I couldn't read the Sons of Ether Revised book when I looked at it (not sure how much its in the original book). I absolutely *hate* the idea of Technocrats or Etherites performing impossible feats without an apparatus to the point I got rid of it outright as an option in my games. The only Effects techmages can do without tech is coincidental luck and Johnny Quest style 'subtle science' tricks justifiable as advanced intellect, Vulcan nerve pinches, and impressive but not outright paranormal meditative techniques. If an observer would say 'thats not possible' you need a damn ray gun. Makes so mad when I see this shit in books. You are a *scientist*.

The V6 scenario was boring soI threw and inexperienced Get of Fenris at the coterie, then a Technocracy UFO torched the warehouse and hostages.

>>98541784
Genius The Transgression is great

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Uratha Changeling romance
You're welcome

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>>98541817
Uh, ok? Why am I supposed to be impressed by that idea?

>>98541817
It's not supposed to go in that hole

>>98541817
>female Uratha x "male" Changeling romance
I fixed it for you, bro.

>>98541790
Based

>>98541841
...Is there anything else that could've implied?

W6 will be abandoned in favour of A6, the first new Ananasi book in 2 decades.
Even now, WW are researching the latest in spider biology research to create more accurate Ananasi roleplay. Due to black widow also being a term for killer ladies, you WILL be able to fuck spiders, especially in LARP. Outstar is already getting a spider tattoo in preperation, and will be using their trooning out as a way of talking about Ananasi gender-morphing.

All will be spider. Complete Weaver victory. The market research indicates that they intend to replace vampires with their cooler chitin-clad alternatives.

Hold onto your butts Anons, it's time for the Age of Web.

>>98541902
Male uratha.

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>>98541905
>you WILL be able to fuck spiders, especially in LARP

>>98540648
Your image macro sucks
Also I'm not opposed to the getting the Get back together, but one of the few things from W5 I like is hauglosk having irs own team, and Fenris is served by the Cult now. The Get would need a new patron spirit.

>>98541910
X Male Changeling?

>>98542006
X "male" changeling

I once used a Zombie from Zombie The Coil as an antagonist in a campaign.
He's a former 1500s servant who decided his master was a boring twat, killed him, and decided to make his unlife more interesting by doing shit

>>98541905
>they intend to replace vampires with their cooler chitin-clad alternatives
Well shit, we're getting zoonoids. Call IterX and Proggers, we need that biological power armor unholy joint project they were gushing about asap.

>>98541741
>Werewolf blogger here. Game went well but also way too long
Hey, that's better than the alternative, game went to shit and only lasted for a few minutes.
Plus it sounds like you guys had fun.
>Lucinne kicks tons of ass thanks to her shotgun
Like I said, from my past experience with Glass Walkers, I am not surprised.

>>98542015
Costs for powers in Coil seem crazy for having to eat motherfuckers to get viscera.

>>98541817
The Pack book for 2e actually covers all the broadstrokes dynamics between splats. Changelings offering a whole new dimension full of monsters to hunt is one of the takeaways from that. The couple that slays together, stays together.

>>98542081
Also because Changelings want to be protected

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Dominate 1cap with largely meaningless disadvantage?
What were they thinking?

>>98542091
I never played the vtm card game but this looks, at least in other card games, low cost discard card for deck thinning and discard effect decks.
Like "when discarded from hard, control your opponent's monster" or "when discarded from hand, deal 10 damage between chosen targets," etc.

>>98542074
>>98542015
I fell into a manic episode and wrote an entire ZtC 2nd Ed last year.
Do anons want to gaze.upon my works and call me a fag for it?

>>98542098
DEW IT

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>>98542095
In VtES after every card played or discarded, you always draw back to full (unless some effect says otherwise), so at a random discard you might lose a card you wanted to play but replace with a new draw and won't be "down a card" as you would in, say, Magic.
The point is Dominate, even at inferior, is a powerful discipline, and the guy is 1cap, meaning you can "deploy" him early and have lots of impact on the game. The average guy is 4cap with 3 in-clan disciplines inferior, but if only intend to use one of them. 1cap with just that discipline is so much better

>>98539945
>single elder vampire
>ranked higher than a whole BSD pack
Damn.

>>98542090
Toxic relationship dynamics? In my world of darkness? It's more likely than you think.

>>98540526
>A genuine archmage is probably something no Garou meets and lives to tell the tale.
Don't their legends have tricks like "fuck you we're 1v1ing melee only"?
>>98540806
What does Threat Null even bring to the table as a threat that the old villainous Technocracy wasn't already doing?

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>>98542185
>Don't their legends have tricks like "fuck you we're 1v1ing melee only"?
If there is even a Legend with it. Because there is a decent chance there is no one with that specific gift.
Like, not even Zhyzhak has a single legendary gift and she is basically the strongest Garou.

>>98541905
Was this Queen Ananasa's plan all along?

>>98542214
Yes.
She's that horny.

>>98541108
nta but I think he meant a chronicle where you're being hunted by them.

>>98542198
It takes balls to make the strongest one a piece of shit

>>98542198
>Strongest gifts the Garou have
>Universally terrible apart from a few exceptions
Faerie Blood my beloved they'll never surpass you

>>98542198
Jonas Albrecht has it. We don't talk about W5.

>>98541905
>All will be spider. Complete Weaver victory.
Dronemaxxing was the right way to go

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consider

>>98542278
May Ozempic help us.

>>98542278
ok, and?

>>98542306
if the Progenitors are evil, as the Traditions often claim, then why are they helping rid the world of fat people?
checkmate magecucks

>>98542257
Honstly I always thought W5 was Matrix simulation from him.

>>98542198
>Garou whose legend willl be retold until the very end of days
fake news! we all know the garou can't even recall their history from the 90s :^)

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>>98542314
Where do you think all the fat goes, bucko?
They burn it up into Quint, flush it out with the biological waste, then collect it from the sewage treatment plants, purify, refine, and reuse.
They'll probably make the next big pharma hit from that, selling your own fat ass back to you at a premium.

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>>98542278
Auspex sometimes makes you seen things that might have been better left unseen...

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>>98542360
wrong gif

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>>98542360
this is pretty hot, post more of it
>>98542364
this is just disturbing, post less of it

>>98542314
That's the fault of the Hermetics.

>>98542364
>hymen status: unharmed
Your Auspex skills are lacking, Neonate

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>>98542390
instructions unclear