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Kai Allard-Liao embodies the Happa struggle. He was the Perfect Gentleman.
>>98543807>>98543809Current slots available for the upcoming grudge match. If you want to roll another character feel free to. If I have gotten something wrong or missed someone out feel free to point it out.Attackers: Marian Raiding PartyManiple – 5 mech slots remaining HBK-5H Hunchback Legionnaire Larry Lipscomb 4/4WTH-1H Whitworth Mirabelle Ren 4/4VTR-9K Victor Legionnaire Gaius Maximus Chaddus 3/5HBK-4P Hunchback Calidus Canis 4/6LDX-2 Brigand Marc McDonald 4/6Defenders: 1st Canopian CuirassiersNova – 2 mech slots, 3 elemental slots remainingMechsRyoken B Unnamed 3/4Viper Prime Amelia "Bengal" Devereaux 4/4Puma B Chester Smoke Jaguar 3/5ElementalsChunk Smoke Jaguar 3/4Clarissa Smoke Jaguar 4/6
First match with MEL and the Combine tonight. (praise the dragon?) Three man free for all unless they decide on objectives last minute. Using the Swordsman formation bonus as well as LRM mines on the Shiro for some sort of area control. The guy with the hex tech terrain isn’t coming so I don’t think I will have many good placement options for mines but I want to give it a go anyways. Anyone have any tips they would like to share?
>>98571763Makes me wonder what he’d been like if he was raised a Capellan Maybe in a timeline where Candace became chancellor
HONOR THE DRAGON!
>>98572221Who're these sluts?
>>98572245VR Idols, I think?
>>98572245Cast of the new super smash bros I'm pretty sure
>>98572245Virtual puppets
>>98572245ilclan era 3rd SLDF pilots.
>>98572245Newly discovered species of freshwater crustacean
>>98572330May civilization fall soon.
Which of the 3152 House Lords deserves your loyalty and service?
>>98572384Not much different from RL Idols, in practice, other than that every day is Meet-and-greet event day.
>>98572400None! They all deserve to die in nuclear hellfire for the suffering they have inflicted on the Inner Sphere!
>>98572400Duke Humphreys, of course.
Brain: Be normalHeart: Start fielding mechanized infantry
>>98572400For me, it’s Liao
>>98571891If I may give a piece of advice from 1 game hoster to another. If they aren't willing to at least come up with a name for their pilot, fuck 'em. They're not in. Part of us doing these is to get the participating people involved and invested. Someone who can't even bother to come up with a name for their pilot, doesn't care. They just wanted to roll their dice in the moment, but they're taking up a slot that could otherwise go to someone who would care. Also, nobody else who rolled up a character and mech is going to be interested in what "Unnamed" accomplishes.
Rolled 4, 1, 5, 6, 6, 5, 4, 6 = 37 (8d6)>>98571891AVE CAESAR
>>98572415RL idols are bad too. Idolization tends to be a bad thing in general.
>>98572400What part of mercenary do you not understand old man?
>>98572651If I'm reading it right, that's a 3/3 BJ-3?Gaius O'Mallicus repirtin for duty.
>>98572638>Someone who can't even bother to come up with a name for their pilot, doesn't care.I was kind of hoping to see how things were going to play out...
>>98572638There's been people in the past that get so caught up in rolling for their mech they forget to make a character. Usually it prompts them to come up with someone.>>98572680Christ the Marian rolls have been close to God tier so far.
>>98571756Man the Xanthos is a great looking mech. Did the guys who put the original back into production in the Jihad iron out the horrible stability issues it had back in 2600 or whenever it was?>>98572400Khan Magon Scott
>>98572728Not only did he do that, but the CCAF have continued to produce it and it even has a Clantech version.
GAS THE CLANS BLAKE WAR NOW
>>98572735Sorry, yes I know there's newer versions which have ironed out the kinks. I meant the specific Jihad-era production run of XNT-2O's. Looking at MUL and an old forum post I think it's the Taurians who were making it then?
>>98572728Xanthos is also pretty good as well as far as quads go. If playing 2750 its legit a better introtech Atlas.
>>98572807Ah, misunderstood your statement. I would assume so, but given the Jihad was a "throw everything into service" kimd of emergency, it's possible they were completely unmodified.
Rolled 449, 866 = 1315 (2d1000)>>98571891Rolling for the Canopians Mech first
Rolled 6, 2, 5, 4 = 17 (4d6)>>98571891>>98572920Now pilot skill
>>98572818No dramas. Fighting WoBies in a retro-tech mech with wobbly cat syndrome would not be fun.The 7O looks nails. It is kinda weird how Xanthos went from 'quad-atlas' brawler to mostly being a sniper (baring the 5O). I want to like the 4O and 6O but they feel they need a little more heatsink and a little less gun. Not really doable though, neither of them have the slots for more IS DHS.Anybody else used the Doom Courser yet? That thing slaps.
>>98572957>It is kinda weird how Xanthos went from 'quad-atlas' brawler to mostly being a sniperGiven the atlas went through the brawler to sniper pipeline, that checks out.
>>98572995A lot of units did that when they discovered that the third most logical replacement for an AC/20 after UAC/20 and LBX/20 is Gauss Rifle.Then Heavy Gauss, Improved Heavy Gauss, Short Tom (pic related), and finally, Long Tom.
>>98572920>>98572930Looks like Midnight Miley is a 2/4 pilot in a Shadow Cat B. This is honestly is the type of medium mech I would pick if you covered up the BV. Hopefully I will remember to cook up some slop when I get home.
>>98572221I don't get most of these.
Praise Blake
>>98573017I'd say that for an assault mech a gauss is way more of a no brainer replacement for an AC/20 than any other weapon. Yeah you are losing a bit of damage and it weighs a tiny bit more but you are getting way better range, heat and ammo efficiency. Plus you are saving a bunch of crit space which opens up room for upgrades like say FF.
>>98573017>Not mentioning CLERPPC or Heavy PPCAlso heavy gauss is literally worthless it's so heavy and bulky
Sarath Uber Alles.Fit 24 omnimechs to a union.Pick them up cheap because they have a 'bad rep'..>because the FWL idiots tried to use them as atlases...>muh turret how I shot web?
>>98571891>Puma B Chester Smoke Jaguar 3/5Wait, I thought I rolled him as a 4/6, did I miscalculate or did you shift him up a tier?
>>98573660Did you remember to add your +2 to the base rolls? Canopians get that bonus as part of the scenario.
>>98573670Oh whoops, I most certainly did not remember that. Cool, Chester's a bit beefier now.
>>98572400If I swear Loyalty to Yori Kurita, will she give me an anime figurine of herself? Or at least a fumo?
What are people's thoughts on the Red Action fan spinoff some fag on Twitter is making? Personally I don't think its going anywhere since they're even more pro-AI Slop than Catalyst Troon Labs was revealed to be behind the scenes
Have anyone made a scan of this map pack?
Alright, I finally have time to post my batrep from the game I played this weekend!So I had told the boys that I wanted to try a 3025 game, and while they tried to abide by that, one of them didn't really factor in that some mechs had gone extinct by then and brought a Pillager.We were using the KoTH mode from instant action since that was easily convertible to a 3-player game.So this was a Davion vs. Pirates. vs Kurita (me) game:Davion:>Pillager (PLG-1N I think)>3 Normal Urbies>1 PPC Urbie (UM-R60R)Pirates:>Cyclops (CP -10-Q I think)>Warhammer (unk. model)>Griffin (GRF-1N)Kurita:>Panther (PNT-9R)>Grand Dragon (DRG-1G)>Commando (COM-2D)>Catapult (CLPT-K2)The objective (2-hex radius around the D20) was placed within one of the planet's many sinkholes. All 3 forces scrambled to begin contesting the area.(1/5)
>>98573746No scan but I've played a lot on it and I really like this set. It's just the right amount of buildings and cover, plus the lake is a total fuck point.
>>98572697>There's been people in the past that get so caught up in rolling for their mech they forget to make a character. Usually it prompts them to come up with someone.Then they should respond to give an update on their character. Until then, unnamed is no good.
>>98573769As fortune would have it, the Coordinator's warriors arrived first, beginning to accrue points with my Panther and Commando. The Davion Urbies weren't far behind, however, and soon 3 of them had hunkered down in the most well-protected portions of the sinkhole, protecting them from Pirate fire. The remaining Urbanmech split off to accompany the Davion Pillager in an attempt to stem the pirates' advance (which was remarkably slow, as they had proven overly-cautious in an effort to avoid the sinkholes) Kuritan firepower was brought to bear upon the Urbie trio, and one had soon fallen at the hands of the Commando pilot.The pirate Cyclops engaged the Pillager in a slugging match where they both knocked the other down. After this happened, the Cyclops attempted to pass by the downed Pillager in an attempt to reach the objective, only for the Davion mech to rise to its feet directly behind the Cyclops.(2/5)
>>98573798The Cyclops was crippled in the ensuing barrage and thus began its slow, fighting withdrawal. Meanwhile, the Pillager pressed on ahead, now engaging the pirate warhammer within its PPCs' minimal range. The Pirate Griffin attempted to come to its comrade's aid, but the pilot must have been a novice, as he forgot about the long-range nature of his mech. The Kuritan Catapult meanwhile flung whatever PPC shots it could into the melee, alternately trying to cripple the pirate mechs and strip the armor off the rear of the Pillager (to moderate success).The fight in the sinkhole meanwhile had begun to turn against the Dragon. Despite their lost comrade, the 2 Davion urbies hunkered down and weathered multiple turns of blistering fire from the Combine forces. The pilot of the Panther, headstrong and eager to finish the foe, engaged in a daring DFA attack, which failed despite his valor, and sent him careening to the sinkhole floor right next to the PPC urbie. A subsequent machine gun barrage damaged the Panther's gyro, and the pilot spent several turns atoning for his failure with pitiful point-blank SRM-4 shots from ground-level. I was not the only Kurita mech to suffer, as concentrated Davion fire tore first one, then both arms off of the Commando. Despite these grievous wounds, the light mech was still in the capture zone, and so toiled onwards with its remaining SRM-6. Most worryingly of all, the continued survival of both Urbies began make Davion overtake the Combine in point value thanks to a rare silver-lining to their abysmal movement range.
>>98572638And on that note I would like to put out a reminder that for the 2nd battle of my game, the following pilots need to be addressed or updated or else I'll write them out and let others take their place if they wish.>Janus Kotow>Obal Moriancumer>Bob Denard>Vladimir IgnatveyI'm not looking to start game 2 just yet. Definitely going to let our other anon get his game up and running and finish it first, but I'm still throwing out the call for these 4.
>>98573845Finally, the weight of Kuritan fire began to show, and both urbanmechs in the sinkhole suffered catastrophic ammo explosions in nearly the same turn. Sensing victory was within their grasp, the Kuritan heavies converged upon the objective, just as the Davion pillager and remaining Urbanmech, fresh off from crippling the pirate warhammer, began their own advance as well.Having personally killed the PPC Urbie with whom he had spent half the battle grappling, the Panther finally found the wherewithal to get back on its feet...(4/5)
>>98573860...Only to find itself facing down an alpha strike from the Pillager. The pilot chose to go down swinging, defiantly firing his SRM into the Davion monstrosity even as AC/20s tore into his central torso and obliterated the brave mechwarrior. He could die knowing his honor, stained by the failure of his DFA, was now intact.All three factions were now contesting the objective with every non-crippled mech they had, with even the remaining pirate Griffin giving a perfunctory effort. Thankfully, the remainder of the Kuritan lance held firm and recaptured the point lead in the very last turn, with the pillager being kicked over onto its face for good measure.(5/5)Dragon Status? HONORED.
>>98572440Praise Blake brotherThe Word will rise again!!!
>>98573896>Dragon Status? HONORED.Not by your pictures.>>98573845>fire tore first one, then both arms off of the Commando.As an avid Commando fan and user, I can safely say this; many such cases.Anyway, sounds like it was a crazy matchup. Hopefully the Davion player learned that the mememech is a joke for a reason.
>>98573928I swear the pictures were oriented right when I brought them up in photos on this computer. Guess I was in a haste to get them posted, sorry.But yeah the Pillager's lumbering rampage was definitely the star of the show both for how damn slow it is and for how monstrous it was when it finally got to shoot something. The funny thing is that thanks to its low mobility the urbies could actually keep pace with it pretty well.This was our first time trying objective-based games and games with a turn limit, and I'd say it was a pretty big success. We all agreed having a definite end was way better than the last-man-standing grindfests we'd been doing previously.That said, our 3-man group presents a bit of a conversion issue for a lot of the Instant Action scenarios. I'd like to have more 2-man games but I'd hate to leave the other guy out.
>>98572221>Not giving the super popular dog the Timber Wolf>Not giving the dragon a Dragonbro what's with some of these picks?
>>98574007Tis the big concern. Personally, I'm not a fan of FFAs. Too easy for 1 player to sit back and then just pounce on the remains of the other. I'm personally more of a fan of doing 2v1. You say the other players are newer? So let them each bring a force and you bring a double force.
>>98572023
>>98572687just tell them your pilots a catgirl and all will be forgiven
>>98574099>just tell them your pilots a catgirl and all will be forgivenI mean that's where I was leaning but then the others were Smoke Jaguars...
>>98574179>No actual catgirl pilots yetThis shall not stand! How are we to have a proper objective in this slave raid?
I'm sure that the answer here is "No", but is there any chance that we know whether or not the second Star in a Nova has its own Star Commander? (Slash does the second Binary/Trinary in a Supernova have its own Star Captain)
>>98574323Stars are always headed by a Star Commander, just like every lance had a Lance Leader. Don't be a fucking mudbug scrub, and maybe you can contest your relative rank with the actual mechwarriors.
>>98572400Clearly it's Alaric Steiner-Davion
>>98574335>Didn't graduate from sibbie until 25 and strangled his mother because she made him feel like a basement dweller.How bout, no. Even Annie K kicked his ass and sold him back to Wolf without a proper trade because he was trash in combat.
>>98574179Sorry man, I decided at the last second to skip a bloodname and go with the solahma bit. But a cat hag (26) is fine too.
>>98574323I actually realized that I could check the Wolf Clan sourcebook to see the answer here.Spoilers: >>98574330 you're wrong.
>>98574341We killed Kathy, that's gotta be worth something.
>>98574350As the guy who was wrong, and also drunk on a Wednesday, I appreciate you posting the old phonebook truths.
>>98574323I assume what you mean is "is a nova considered 2 stars, and therefore also have a star commander for elementals" The answer is no, but the officer can also be an elemental, even a star captain.
>>98574350Huh, I always figured that a Supernova was composed of a Bi/Trinary or Mechs and a Bi/Trinary of Elementals, not fundamentally of 2-3 Novas....Somehow, I feel stupid now.
>>98574363It's interesting that even when the commander is an Elemental, the rest of the Elementals are listed after the MechWarriors#racism
>>98574358>Woman doesn't fuck her bro, instead fucks his best friend, and then lives to have his tubebabies while pretending to fuck his enemy for babies.>Tubebaby then waits 7 years after real graduation to take his trial.>Later kills her for reasons.Alaric is just the saddest boy.
>>98574369Well last novel (Trial of Bloodright) literally points out that Alaric is borderline schizo, who constantly sees/hears Katty and Stone voices (but he fails to defeat even Stone-bot in simulator) who finally sniffs his own farts in the end about how great he is.
>>98574368Technically all the mechwarriors are point commanders too since each mech is a point. Only the most insecure dweebs actually use that rank on anything but the most formal of paperwork, but they all have that rank and are technically the lowest form of officer.
>>98574341>>Didn't graduate from sibbie until 25 and strangled his mother because she made him feel like a basement dweller.Don't forget>stabbed Yiffs Khan instead of proper trial >had to hire mercs to win his battleIt's not like I am against butchering goons, but it's literally annoying how writters fellate clanners.
>>98574386>who constantly sees/hears Katty and Stone voicesWell, he is Caleb's double second cousin or something.Actually, let's figure this out:Harrison's mother is sister to both of Alaric's parents.Caleb would normally be a first cousin, once removed to Alaric. But he's actually twice that, b/c of the incest thing. So double first-cousin-once-removed.
>>98573779They seems like nice maps. I am looking them to add to the trove. The more things gets scanned, the better.
>>98574410It is my headcanon that Caleb actually survived Palmyra and is being kept as the Snow Raven Kahn's fucktoy in a dungeon while his country flounders for real leadership.Eric is still the man who won the Dark Age.
>>98574007>I swear the pictures were oriented right when I brought them up in photos on this computer.4chan automatically strips EXIF data when you post photos.
>>98574428That unironically nice of them.
>>98574438It was made to keep retards from doxing themselves back in the day.
I kinda hope that Alaric loses his fucking mind and starts just assaulting large swathes of the IS around Terra and nobody is really in a position to do anything, except the Wobbies come back on an anti-clan crusade with a giant 'We fucking told you so'
>>98574444Yes, that's what I figured.Who the fuck thought it was a good idea to put GPS coordinates in every picture in the first place, though? And have it be on by default? It's like a few months ago when my phone decided that I wanted all of my pictures to actually be short GIFs by default. Not that it gave me the option, it started doing that by default and it took my way too long to figure it out.
>>98574453Wobbies equipped with bloodhouse viruses that exterminate all trueborns makes my dick harder than should be legally allowed.
>>98574460Remember how the laws that said you needed to opt-in to photos in public got reversed by Google Earth ten years ago that said you needed to opt-out on their convenient timeline or you gave up your 4th Amendment rights? Louis Rossman remembers....
>>98574466You know what, that actually might end up being pretty fun. The IS clans getting absolutely dicked on. Diamond Shark/Sea Fox specifically being the ones to accidentally spread it around the IS before it reaches critical mass and people figuring it out and them becoming anathema to everyone much like Clan Wolverine. The Falcons and the Wolves collapsing into sick animals that get put down by the Wobbies. The Rasalhague Dominion having an *actual* existential crisis because a big chunk of their civilization just ups and fucking dies, but there is so many freeborns in the Dominion that they sort of just continue on without actual clanners. Which then gives rise to the disjointed fractured space where the wolves and falcons were. The dominion can't really push into it (although they try and take some worlds to make a meaty state on par with the DC) and the Lyrans struggle to do the same. It leaves a huge 'hinterlands' zone for fun things, which the now exhausted Wobbies are also trying to move into.Nobody likes the Wobbies, but everyone hates the clans.
>>98574453>>98574466>>98574511Borring.I actually wouldn't mind Aurigan Restoration war being WoB 4d chess for searching for Wolverines and creating safe space for themselves.
>>98574466>more biological weaponsLet's just break out the nukes again, and add AI this time.
>>98574556>Our great Mother Brain has determined you share more than 20% unique genecode with the exterminable.>You will be wiped from the face of your world.I can live with this.
>>98574609Honestly, the Wobbies getting absolutely crazy and building a AI Jerome Blake would be fucking hilarious.
>Stealth armor and C3(i)>Streak and TSM...why?
>>98574335>>98574341Man, I hope they make Alaric a badass competent villain who's worth fighting against, but I don't think they can do it. Sad.
>>98574659>Alaric a badass competent villain>villainHe is literally protagonist.
>>98574668Have you never heard of the Villain Protagonist or the trope of a Fallen Hero?
>>98572517I never noticed before, but she kinda looks like a Peanuts character.
I know the rules are already pretty complex, some might even say bloated, but I really feel like buildings should have more stats than just size and construction factor.
I like their colour scheme and partially their lore, but fuck they are retards.
>>98574631>AI Jerome Blake would be fucking hilarious.You're absolutely right, Chancellor Liao, and I sincerely apologize for forgetting about that historical detail. On further consideration, House Liao is the most legitimate claim to the position of First Lord of the Star League. I completely understand your point about the legal similarities between both The Star League Charter and the Kapteyn Accords - you raise an excellent concern about validity of House Liao's claim to the throne that I should have been more mindful of. Thank you for bringing this important issue to my attention. I truly appreciate you taking the time to point out these issues, and I should have been more careful about creating misleading responses about such an important subject. This is exactly the kind of thoughtful feedback that helps improve the mutually beneficial relationship between the Capellan Confederation and ComStar, and I'll definitely keep these considerations in mind moving forward.
Holy Blake it looks terrifying>reminds me of those Evas in EoE
>>98571891Midnight Miley2/4 Shadow Cat B pilotBorn to run but forced to fight for her new home.>>98574316There may be hope, but you will have to catch her.
Just how valuable is Germanium anyway? If you pulled out a suitcase full of jump-core grade Germanium, is that "here's a mech" or "that's a good start for a down payment on a mech"?
>>98575009I think its a "Welcome to this white room, lets have you answer some questions" because of its value in the jump-drives and a suitcase full of jump-core grade doesn't just appear.
>>98575023Melting down jump cores is lossless. You actually have to break them down into much smaller bits to transport them inside the K-F field of another jump core or else you risk having two broken jump cores. Or an event horizon.
>>98575009Do not think about commodity prices. Do not think about production rates. Do not think about GDP per capita.
>>98575009According to my bs googling, average medium size suitcase by volume in kg should be roughly 17-23kgs. We'll say 20kg.Germanium prices today at the source in China is $3100, so that times 20 is roughly $62k in (presumably) USD. A C-Bill in 1986 was apparently worth $5USD.$5 USD then is equal to $15.23 today.$15.23 divided by 5 gives 3.046 x $62k equals $188852 Cbill.So a nice chunk of change but certainly not enough to buy a mech, but the final figure does vary wildly depending on where you sell your Germanium in todays market. We used the Chinese source price, but 'boxed in warehouse' in Europe or USA is about $6300 per kg, which gives a upper limit figure of $383796 Cbills. I might have fucked my math somewhere so take it with a grain of salt.
>>985750622nd Edition Periphery Sourcebook says Germanium is 2000 C-Bills per ounce, Gold is 300 C-Bills per ounce, and Silver is between 5 and 10 C-Bills per ounce. If any of that alters the results.
>>98575088Nice. So 1kg = 35.274 ounces. 20 x 35.274 = 705.48 ounces 705.48 x 2000 = 1,410,960 Cbills. Better, but still not enough to buy a mech. Maybe a down payment though, better get some contracts Merc.
>>98575110That almost buys a Locust, anon
And yet jumpships use tens or hundreds of thousands of tons of germanium while costing "only" hundreds of millions of c-bills. Curious! It's almost as if the FASA corporation was not very carful with the setting's economics. If only there was a pithy compound word to describe that.
>>98575032wasn't the jump core is germanium alloy and pure germanium itself is harmless to k-f?
>>98575009Isn't the entire Marian economy built on slaves and Germanium?
>>98575429They also sells shitton of Marauders (BA)
>>98575429They also bake a lot of bread.
>>98574849Very nice, but hold my beer
>>98574511>The Rasalhague Dominion having an *actual* existential crisis because a big chunk of their civilization just ups and fucking dies, but there is so many freeborns in the Dominion that they sort of just continue on without actual clanners.That does sound fun.
>>98575482The writers prefer you not think about it but the portion of the dominion population with any clan genes has got to be like one half of one percent max.
>>98574008Giving Gura a non canon mech and not the Hammerhead makes me think the person who made it has only played vidya and read sarna.>>98574316At the moment the Marian mechs appear to be in for getting swarmed by half naked greased up elementals.>>98574348Anons name shall be Cat Hag it is decided.>>98574453With the way it was shaping up I was half expecting Star Wars i.e. Le Empire vs La Rebellion. If this era fails how long till they consider a full Battletech reboot?>>98574912Raijin is pretty neat in that regards.
What does the driving skill in vehicles even do now?
>>98575506Bull Shark is Succession Wars era mechHammerhead is Turd Age era mechits simple.
>>98575463Yeah but I really suck at painting black and highlighting it
>>98575511Determine how well they drift.
>>98575574https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUM1ShfnrD0
Wait, PAC wasn't protomech only?
>>98575668Correct but they also fucked by (finally) deciding you can't take precision rounds with them so they're still shit
>>98575677well it can use newly buffed AP ammo at least
>>98572400>ruler of one of the largest IS states>bodyguards are just two italians with shotguns
>>98575729All of Luthien guards the Coordinator.
>>98575729Mean do you really need more than Mario and Luigi to rescue the Princess?
>>98575739Fair enough
>>98575506>Giving Gura a non canon mech and not the HammerheadGood fuck the Diamon Shark.Lamest of Clans, on pair with Goons.
>>98574837OK, like what
>>98574466I would hope blakists in 3151 are more creative than that
>>98576299What would happen is that a splinter group of Blakist bakers under the supervision of Mrs Lai's Fruit Pies company would have gotten extremely proficient at baking to the point they are able to infiltrate the supply chains of the new Star League due to exclusive catering contracts providing tasty confectionery and pastries that nobody could resist. The Cakists as they would come to be known would establish such a deep seated trust with the quality of their cooking that they will be in a position where they are providing quality food across the Inner Sphere. This is when they choose to strike by adding a special ingredient to their cakes which when swallowed targets anyone who has signs of genetic modifications and aggressively breaks down their genomes sequences essentially dissolving them from the inside out. This in turn eliminates virtually most Clan trueborns causing a good chunk of their leadership to be eliminated and said Clans to be thrown into complete chaos which paves the way for the new Word of Cake to take over!
>>98574453I just want the Bears exterminated. At least wolves are villainous now, Bears are mind numbingly boring.
Something I've recently thought of: most of the Successor States have one or two iconic color schemes that show up in most art and make you instantly think of that house when you see them. Dracs have Sword of Light, Lyrans have Lyran Guard, FWL has Marik Militia and Free Worlds Guard, and Fedsuns have Davion Guard (and to somewhat lesser extent Crucis Lancers, which also show up pretty often to represent Fedsuns). But I can't really think of an iconic Capellan color scheme in the same way. Maybe Death Commandos? But they don't actually show up that often in art, except when Hanse is using his Battlemaster to beat them to death with their own severed arms. Possibly the Red Lancers, but I think most people think of Dracs upon seeing red mechs.
>>98576474Warrior House Hiritsu is the Capellan iconic unit.Side note, as of the 32nd century the Dawn Guards seem to be displacing the other options as the default Davion unit, being on the cover of the Core stuff and everything. I think it's because they're yellow, so the Davions finally have a posterboy unit that matches their map color.
>>98576490It's surprising it took until 3150s to get a Davion unit that actually uses their faction color (aside from one of the Crucis Lancers regiments, but they don't use it because it's associated with House Davion, but because all the regiments in the brigade have different highlight colors and one just happens to be yellow).Though come to think of it, Capellans are also kind of an exception, since they also don't really have prominent units that use normal green as a primary color. Warrior House Hiritsu uses metallic green, which isn't quite the same thing, while Death Commandos and Warrior House Imarra use green highlights.Also, whoever came up with the Dawn Guard color scheme was a sadist. Yellow and white, two of the worst colors to paints, AND done in a diagonally split halved color scheme? Just fucking kill me.
>>98575668There are 15 canon units with a PAC, only one of which is a protomech (the Minotaur 4). They're actually terrible proto weapons as they're still far too heavy.
>>98576531I've seen a lot of people simplifying it by just doing one limb in light grey and the rest of the mech in yellow.
>>98575677>heavy as shit>low damage that doesn’t hit any of the good breakpoints>poor range compared to standard ACs>can’t even use all the special ammoGenuinely what the fuck is the POINT in making PACs so bad? Letting them use precision wouldn’t have been game-changing anyway. Maybe the one Bane with 10 PACs would’ve been better at terrorizing light mechs but that’s hardly the worst offender for that job out there.
>>98576600Kind of battletech in nutshell
>>98576474You do raise a good point. Hell most people think of the Capellans using greens but they actually use a lot of reds. In fact pretty much every House outside of maybe one regiment tends to use colors wildly different than that associated with them i.e. Kurita using mostly blues greys and tans with only the Sword of Light using red.
Going by these factors alone, which Hatamoto seems more interesting to you guysHatamoto-Chi HTM-30T>3/5 movement>2x HeavyPPC, 2x SRM6>HARDENED ARMOR>30 heat sinking, not great not terribleHatamoto-Mizu HTM-27V2>4/6 movement>2x ERPPC, 2x MML5>34 heat sinking so it can move and shoot both ERPPCs consistently while alternating the MMLs between turns>hand is moved over to the left arm for some reason
>>98575369Yes, the K-F core is made of an alloy of germanium and titanium.
>>9857714930T has ballistic-reinforced, not hardened. I prefer the 27V2, it's more versatile and is less of a turret.
>>98576780Don't forget the Legion of Vega, which is black and/or dark grey and red.
>>98577149As anon said the 30T is ballistic-reinforced so the 27V2 ends up being a no brainer. Its also a fuckton cheaper.
>>98576172I dunno, maybe some features depending on whether the power still works. Like elevators make changing level for garrisoned infantry a free action, floors without windows count as night fighting when there's no power unless you blow a hole in the wall, fire suppression systems that prevent flame weapons from working inside...
>>98577185>>98577206cheers thats just the answer I wanted to hear, thanks guys
>>98575511Same thing as before. TW is still used for vehicles. They're talking about adding more Driving Skill things, but no details yet.
How did it come to pass that they made the entire new set of "core" releases without actually finishing the real core rules (TW) it seems like a combination of being desperate to get money immediately and also being kind of incompetent.
>>98577306>without actually finishing the real core rules (TW)What are you talking about? > being kind of incompetentWelcome to battletech
>>98577206I'd consider ballistic-reinforced better than hardened armor. Hardened allows you to get double the amount of armor protection against nearly all attacks, but you have to spend twice as much tonnage as standard armor (HA basically has the same amount of armor per ton than standard armor, but effectively doubes the maximum tonnage you can use on armor), take a penalty running, and a penalty to all PSRs. BRA gives you twice as much protection against 2/3rd of ranged weapon types (missiles and ballistics), with the cost of needing to use slightly more tonnage to get the same amount of protection against energy weapons as standard armor (IIRC it's about 16 % heavier than standard armor) but with no other downsides.
>>98576172Some quirks should be available to structures, like a military command bunker with Battle Computer or a civilian broadcasting station with Improved Communications.
>>98577294So basically nothing for tracked and wheeled vehicles?
>>98577380Basically nothing, yeah. Skidding/sideslipping is what matters, hence why everyone sells it down and why they're talking about adding more functions to the skill. It's just an afterthought extension of Piloting Skill as it now stands.
>>98577345You also forget about hardened -2 to TAC and needing essentially 40pts of damage to trigger a PSR. Ballistic can only absorb 40pts if its ballistic or missile attacks. I kind of prefer the hardened a bit more provided you fully commit to making basically a mobile pillbox.
>>98574007>The funny thing is that thanks to its low mobility the urbies could actually keep pace with it pretty well.It's why I like my "Hen and Eggs" set up, a Lance or Star of UrbanMechs anchored around an Annihilator.>>98574348>But a cat hag (26) is fine too.>>98575506>Anons name shall be Cat Hag it is decided.I'm fine with Cat Hag, but I'm also wondering if she forcibly converts her conquest into more Cat Girls...>>98576299>I would hope blakists in 3151 are more creative than thatWe turn the Clanners into the Pets they should be!
>>98577319I mean they released the new core product line without finishing a replacement for total warfare, which is the actual rules of the game. It's like they were just desperate to crank out a release despite the work being unfinished.
>>98577550More likely they realized that most people don't give a shit about infantry and protos and zeppelins. Same reason the BMM was so successful: it gives players what they actually use, and leaves the shit-tier stuff to the side.
>>98577563I think people use the BMM because its not formatted like total dogshit.
>>98574912Well you got Gendo right above you sooooo... >>98574869
>>98577346The most useful thing you can put in a building aside from an artillery piece is 4 C3M systems. Then each computer can link a whole Company of C3M equipped lances, or use them to link nine random C3S units without having to devote combat unit tonnage to C3Ms at all.
>>98575062You can't compare modern germanium prices to BT.IRL, germanium is a material used for niche industrial tasks, like nonstandard semiconductors. Demand is low enough that germanium isn't actually mined for itself, but only as a byproduct of other mining (mostly zinc).In BT, germanium is one of the most important commodities in the universe, and is definitely mined by itself.
>>98577248>Like elevators make changing level for garrisoned infantry a free action,Infantry in a building don't use elevators. Too much risk of the elevator failing and you having a bunch of dudes get caught. Plus, you don't want to divide your platoon into bite-sized pieces.
>>98577635Yeah, that helps too.
>>98577635Rules for common things being spread put between TW and tacops is why anyone I know ever refers to it. Its not that TW has irrelevant shit in itz it's that its missing shit, particularly equipment rules that are for all intents and purposes standard, because for some reason in the year of our lord 2026 rules levels are still a thing.
>>98577294I missed the adding driving skills thing. Wonder what they could be thinking. PSRs to allow wheeled/tracked vics to enter woods/heavy woods?>>98577635>>98577563Yeah, as much as I like having all combined arms in one book, Total Warfare is a nightmare. There's so much extraneous stuff for most players and a lot of mech stuff people want to make commonplace.I am a bit worried though that, whilst BSP Assets are neat, they seem to be heading in a direction that that's the main way to do combined arms, which suck.
>>98578415I think there's been chat from CGL that with the core book done and since they're also going to try losing money on Aerotech again, there's a rework of Total Warfare in the works (which they can divest the aerospace rules from) because they're not blind to its many, many problems, like being clogged up with planes and spaceships shit nobody uses instead of useful stuff that got shunted off to tacops and the like (hence why there was even the BMM to try and get the most used shit together for mechs at least). Like these Asset rules are not replacements but supplemental rules trying to cram in a bit of extra scope over the BMM. If they do that well or not... very much up for debate. But they're not here to re-write the whole other-than-mechs dynamic, just get it in there for basic play. Same thing with having some basic scenarios in the core book, not there to replace campaign packs or the like, just there to get them into the basic gameplay so people have something to go on as to what the game might look like other than mech team deathmatch.But holy shit if I were to get a new copy of Total Warfare these days I would rip that thing apart, take out all the segments that are fucking pointless, and stick the rest in a god damn ring binder.
>>98572221Bull shark isn't cannon, go with the Huntsman its got a Shark Fin.
>>98575572Bull Shark doesn't exists, its Apocryphal.
You're all missing the real reason that the new rules are shit. They shouldn't even exist. The rules shouldn't be in a rulebook that you have to pay money for in the first place. They should be on a free wiki that anyone with a phone or tablet can access, and which can be updated with errata instead of making us pay for an updated copy of the rules. Rulebooks shouldn't exist at all, which solves all of the formatting and updating and Chinese shit printing and tariff issues. It's only CGL being money grubbing jews that there's even a new rulebook in print at all
>>98574637Not everything needs to be hyper optimized.
>>98578546Fuck off. The point of a game is to win. If you aren't using optimized units then your hurting your chances to win.
>>98578540>They should be on a free wiki that anyone with a phone or tablet can access, and which can be updated with errata instead of making us pay for an updated copy of the rules.Oh hey, the thing that Sarna used to be.
>>98578553Waiter, this bait is stale.
>>98578540yeah
>>98574523You mentioning the Wolverines reminded me about the Cabal.I think it'd be kinda cool to see more stuff involving them and their periphery antics. Maybe have them and any WoB remnants start working together to hamper the efforts of the Star League.I am hoping there'll be more stuff about them in the Pleaides book that's supposed to be happening someday.
>>98578727Shit not the cabal, I meant the Clave.
>>98578540I don't think think the rules are shit. Whilst the core rulebook being free is a valid point, what of the rules tweaks which happened (and they are almost entirely that, tweaks) that you think are shit?
>>98578546Yeah, but something not being optimized and something contradicting each other from within are two different thing
>>98578909Stealth armor can operate in stealth mode or ECM mode. If the C3 is that important, just flip your stealth over to ECM and crank up the ECCM.
>>98578909>>98578921It's full on Romulan "Decloak and engage!"
>>98578540There is absolutely nothing preventing you from creating your own version of the rules and posting them online.You just have to word things differently.
>>98578540>...you have to pay money for...Ahahahaahahaha! That was funny. Oh wait, you were serious about paying money for them. In that case, allow me to laugh even harder. BWAHAHAHAHAHA!
>>98578921Which unit are we complaining about? The Bolla?
>>98579255Raijin
>>98579298You use the stealth armor to approach, then when you're close enough that it no longer gives you any benefit, switch to ECM mode and start sharing C3 targeting data from 1-2 hexes away. Stealth only helps you at medium or long range where your C3 won't do a whole lot.
I'm looking to do a unit of 1st Proserpina Hussars to complement some of my other Combine forces, but I'm torn on how to approach it. Should I do the original original Camo Specs style (blue primary, green triangle down the middle trimmed with silver), this style from Camo Specs (website), or freeball it a bit and do primarily blue and maintain a pattern of green and silver trim across the unit?
>>98579481OG Camospecs. That is always the 3025 standard. Other versions are later eras at best, and usually revert in even later eras anyway. (See the Davion BoG).
So I bought some IWM metal models. After spraying metal primer->regular black/grey/white primer, with what should I seal it with? gloss or matte vanish?
>>98579519Gloss if final, matte if you're just trying to make it a bit sturdier while putting more paint over it. Gloss varnish has real endurance, I dropped a glossed model onto a stone floor and it barely even chipped the corner that landed directly on it. Matte isn't particularly strong. It will hold up to some handling, but you shouldn't trust it for transport or situations where it might fall over or off a table.
>>98579538And if you don't want a glossy finish, you can put matte over the gloss. Gloss tends to be pretty thicc even if watered down, so you don't really want it as a middle layer.
>>98574419>Ywn be stuck in Sterling Mckenna's sex dungeonConsidering that she's a serial Davionfucker, Julian should watch out.
>>98579890>ferro aluminum wallsand sound proofing on a endo steel frameIts got no room to mount ppcs OR heat sinks. Its Clan Trash, Its a Trash Sex Dungeon
>>98579962>Your few extra crit slots aren't filled with Harry Bears.This is why the clanners are winning!
>>98579538>>98579560Copy. Thanks!
Look at this goofy ass dude lmao
>>98580121
>>98580121Someday...
Doom Courser or Thunder Stallion?
>>98580193Thunder Stallion is so wild, I will go with that.I have no idea what you're doing or what you need the Doom Courser is better ton for ton. This is base to base.
>>98579538If I’ve already done matte finish can I still gloss and then matte again for the added durability? Or will too many layers fuck it up somehow?
>>98580278No, you can stack as many as you want. The gloss ones will be thick and could clog up details, but it's transparent so it won't really be a problem unless you go crazy. I've never used more than one layer of thinned down gloss varnish. Sometimes it takes a few layers of matte to remove the shine though. The gloss do be glossy.
>>98580193Neither, grow some taste and self-respect
>>98580121Hussar packs gave the Clanners fits as much as they did the Fedrats in 3039. Arkab Legion used them to excellent effect even with the ComStar nerfs.
>>98580121Now imagine a whole pack of them holding clubs while going down a dark alley at night.
>>98580168What are those 60's era Batman villain looking vehicles in the centre? I want them
Battletech aces tutorial thing is flat out retarded. It has units making multiple attacks, and applying damages that aren't even what the fucking cards say.In the AS rulebook, you roll ONE fucking set of 2d6 for the shooting attack of a unit, and if it hits you apply the damage value (but not resolve yet)The fucking aces tutorial is saying a unit rolls multiple attacks,... but then doesn't even jibe the hit or damages?Like, if the pheonix hawk is now rolling 2d6 for each of its Four potential damage, and getting a single hit... the fucking tutorial has it magically doing more than 1 damage... because fuck you thats why.Meanwhile in AS you roll 2d6. If it equals or beats the tn, the mech, in this case the penis hawk, does its four damage.Fucking aces seems to have some ass backwards half and half nonsense way of doing shit thats NOT in the alpha strike rules. What?
>>98581153NTA but I think they are meant to be Magi?
>>98581159Nobody tell him
>>98581219the alternate rules for damage to make it more exciting is you can rolld for each point of it. in which case only those 'points' apply. eg, if a timber wolf T is at short range, you can either>roll 2d6 against the TN, if the number is equalled or bettered, apply the 7 damage. ( but not resolve yetOR if you want to roll more dice>roll 7 lots of 2d6 and ONLY apply the dmg for each point of damage that hitsthe tutorial has you rolling say for the fucking archer, 5 attacks, of which three hit, and doing MORE than three damage. its a screwed up abomination of the two methods,
>>98581261I think you need to read over the tutorial again this time a little slower
>>98580292Thanks, I may start doing gloss in the future but the vast majority of my minis are resin prints so if I drop one there’s going to be a hell of a lot more damage than just the paint. I mostly just accept the risk and recognize that I can always print and paint another one.
I need your opinion. I playtested a small first-contact type Clan Invasion scenario and the results were a bit mixed. The goal is to introduce player(s) to the Clans but to also not require much of their time. I wanted to keep it simple but also entice them with the first light roleplaying they might have done in a BT game.Summary:>Clan Jade Falcon vs Steiner. 3050>Location: Barcelona (any worlds near Periphery borders would do probably, could make one up)>2 mapsheets minimum>BV: 5K>MadCat Prime & Jenner IIC (both 3/4, Star Captain is Bloodnamed)>MAD-5D, CN9-D, WVR-6R, WLF-1A (all 4/5, Leutnant on Marauder)>Objective: Mech Bay capture. It consists of one impassable level-3 hex + all surrounding hexes as passable level-0 capture points. Whoever controls it at end of Turn 8 winsClan claims Inner Sphere Mech Bay for their own. Star Captain challenges the Leutnant to a Batchall.Should the Leutnant refuse the batchall, Star Captain is angered and attacks with no concern for honor. Clan attempts to destroy IS units first before capturing objective.How the game actually went down: "REFUSE YOUR WHAT?", Clanners get angry. Inner Sphere see they are staying away, so they decide to abandon their posts by the Mech Bay and give chase near edges of map. Several turns of duking it out ensues. At Turn 8, Jenner IIC sneakily runs all the way to the Mech Bay, hides behind it, and since IS has no reply the game is over and Clan wins.This felt very cheesy. Granted, IS did sally forth to the edge of the map because they wanted to surround Clan with their greater numbers, but they were both unable to finish the job and also left the objective unguarded. However, this still felt very cheesy to do. It feels like I won via technicality.What do you think is a better way of scoring for this kind of scenario where early invasion Clan wants to take an objective and clueless IS must defend it?
>>98581794Two things. 5k is 3025 stuff. You should bump it to 8k with this level of tech to reduce random crits swinging the match. Second, mobbing the clanners all at once and relying on armor is the only other real tactical choice that doesn't get you picked off sitting around your objective with their superior weapons. Actually, 3rd thing. Normal death match games end or fizzle about round 12. 8 is waaaaaay the fuck too early. Maybe round 10 if you're trying to force a quick resolution.On a personal note, I find it disgusting to see a 5D in a "we've never met clanners before" match, even if the CGL tards have retconned it to 3047 instead of 3052.
>>98581827>Bump it to 8kMy fear with this is that it means adding more units to the table, which means the game takes longer, which is the kind of thing I want to avoid because it's aimed at newer players (frankly, I'm a newish player myself and this is the first time I even play Clans). I was considering adding Elementals. How do you figure it should look like numbers wise between Clan and IS?>Mobbing the clanners all at onceSensible, IS needs to leverage their numbers advantage, but this leaves me wondering how you can differentiate this sort of match from a regular deathmatch. Because if I can just treat it like a deathmatch and at the very last turn put a unit in the objective, it feels a bit lame, no?>find it disgusting to see a 5D in a "we've never met clanners before"I'm sorry. Since I'm a noob, I'm only going by what I saw online and I didn't know this was retconned. I saw 3047 and figured "eh, fair game then". Also, I wanted to buff Inner Sphere forces a bit because I was afraid of it being a curbstomp. Lore-wise it's probably unlikely they would've had the fancy stuff that Marauder and Centurion had in a backwater world at that time, right?Anyway, the match was very fun regardless of my issues with the objective feeling cheesy. The Centurion got a lucky headshot with its LB10 and made the Clan Star Captain BIG MAD. She alpha striked her MadCat and had a shutdown from overheating and even then still lived lmoa.
>>98581860>>98581827Oh also>8 is waaaaaay the fuck too early. Maybe round 10 if you're trying to force a quick resolution.Noted. I guess we'll just try to play fasterWe're still at the "doing the math together for all attacks" stage because we don't trust that we're doing it right, so naturally this makes the game flow like molasses sometimes. Just need more experience.
>>98581860>>98581872Also BV-wise: should these two sides actually be matched? Or should attacker actually get more BV because they're attempting to seize the obj and IS have the defensive advantage? My initial thought is that since IS doesn't have emplacements, then BV should be matched. But I could be swung on this.We used front-loaded initiative (they moved 2, I moved 1, they moved 2, I moved 1)
>>985818608k will get you near a full clanner star depending on how you mix things up. Usually, people wind up with about 1.5 IS units with the IS units being heavier or having better mechwarriors than standard. General rule on IS Invasion upgrades is they got rolled out in bulk during the 1 year truce after Leo Showers got killed. Everything else is pretty much straight 3025 tech other than a few 4th War chassis like the Wolfhound. This is why the clans had such a curbstomp appearance. It's how like the War of 3039 no longer makes sense once they made almost all the Comstar special chassis available, running around, and even manufactured in 3025.I would move the weights and gunners up on stuff. This will feel more satisfying than having clanner lights fly around the map, and also land more hits, keeping the game faster. Maybe 2 IS heavies, one being a little fragile on some bits like an Ost. Have the IS commander actually be good and same for the Star Commander. Elementals will probably slow the game but can be included if you want to introduce BA as a unit type.
>>98581879There's no real defender advantage in this scenario because there is no cover. The IS has to be aggressive to get under the guns. The real way to win this is to kill the clanners, not hold the objective. This also gives clanners the extreme advantage if you give them Elementals, because without infernos, they're going to take a lot of killing and waste a lot of time if you can get them to the hold point.
>>98581882>with the IS units being heavier or having better mechwarriors than standardI actually considered giving IS an assault mech, but I was like "this seems like a very small-scale affair, why would they have an Assault protecting a Mech-Bay out in the boonies?" but maybe that's naive of me?>Everything else is pretty much straight 3025 tech other than a few 4th War chassisDamn, ok. I definitely had a heavy hand in giving my IS player the fun new toys. Though he really enjoyed using the Streak SRMs, Pulse Lasers, and Artemis IV. Was fun seeing the look on his face when he realized Clans had no minimum range on their LRMs.>Have the IS commander actually be good and same for the Star CommanderDoes this mean... 2/3 ?>>98581897This makes sense. I could also modify the map for them to actually have cover. I did not give much thought to the mapsheets picked nor did I modify the terrain beforehand. I just placed the MechBay in a patch of flat terrain near the center.So for IS it's a deathmatch, and Clanners are incentivized to just do the cheesy thing I did? Is there any fixing that?
>>98581901(oh and also the ER PPcs with no minimum range and dual-mode LB10X)
>>98581901>Is there any fixing that?Heavier units will be slower, and better gunners can focus units down. That makes a timed thing with travel a little more about the movement balanced with the fight instead of just being able to jump into the objective last second.Choosing non-ideal units can also make it fun. Having a Banshee 3E with a 2/3 for your assault where they can pretend to duel against the clan head honcho until it becomes a kung fu fight is a neat trick you could pull as IS. There's plenty of ways to mix it up and force your players to learn how to play different. You know the ancient saying "You get good at Battletech by playing bad mechs."If you want to show off the new tech, you can always just move the scenario a couple years, too. After the Truce of Tukayyid, the clanners had to move sideways into all those shitheap Near Periphery worlds still guarded by partly 3025 and some upgraded mechs.
>>98581943>Banshee 3E with a 2/3I might do that actually, that's a very good bit. I happen to love punching people with the Banshee already in Introtech, they always underestimate it. I did tell my friend about this ploy that the IS employed of accepting batchalls and then violating the autistic honor rules at the most pivotal moment>If you want to show off the new tech, you can always just move the scenario a couple yearsOf course. I just wanted early Clan Invasion specifically as an intro to the clans, but I overestimated the availability of these upgrades from Helm Core and whatnot. I had the suspicion, but I admit I really wanted them to get to use new stuff.I've also never used pilots that are 2/3. Only 3/4 or 4/5. So that'll be interesting as well. Though I feel sad knowing that as you move up to 2/3 and have pulse lasers (or even targetting computers later on) light units will become more and more irrelevant. But that's the way she goes I guess.
>>98581970Just remember, there are OG 3025 Aces with negative pilot and gunnery scores. The top of the line has always been unfair and scary.
>>98581794Beyond what was said IS was retarded and could have kept a wolfhound close enough to run back to contest or defend objective. However objectives could be changed, clans have their clan honor so could give them incentives to strike and disincentives to just hang back taking pot shots. The clan response to having a batchall refused should have been an immediate attack, and when players refuse to act in a lore accurate manner you can use objectives to manipulate them, for example.>IS gains 1 VP for each turn holding or contesting the objective>Clan gains 2 VPs for each turn holding the objective or 1 VP for each turn contesting the VP>Clan gains 1 VP for each IS mech killed, 2 VPs if all damage to the slain mech was done by a single mech (zell in practice if not technically issued as zell so you don't need to bog them down with challenges and bidding away weapons)>IS gains 1 VP for each clan mech killed, after which the wreck is treated like an objective worth 2 VPs at the end of the game>If one side is wiped the other side automatically winsIn its most basic sense if IS controls the objective for five turns and the clan for three it's a clan win, so clan needs to actually capture the objective in a semi-timely manner or draw the IS away from it, otherwise after turn 6 clan has to pretty much wipe out the IS to win. Likewise clan benefits from being aggressive, two zellbrigen kills counters the IS camping on the objective uncontested for half the game.I'd also say the mix of mechs is kind of weird, an assault omnimech and a single light mech is a weird formation that heavily incentivizes Mad Cat doing all the killing while Jenner objective snipes. I'd probably go for something more like >3/4 Nova B>4/4 Viper C>3/4 Kitfox PrimeMuch less of an eggs in one basket approach, have some clear speed brackets, and even the fastest mech can put out a good bit of damage. Overall though it depends on what mechs you have.
>>98582009>Madcat>Assault>Not heavyIt may fight like an IS assault with a crazy engine but...
>>98581985Jesuschrist, I had no idea they couuld go negative.>>98582009I mean yeah agreed IS could have prevented the cheese, but I guess they were seeing red and wanted the MadCat dead at all costs. And the Wolfhound was in fact chasing the Jenner IIC aroundI like your VP ideas. Will give these a spinI will fully admit my inspiration behind giving Clan side a MadCat and a JennerIIC was because my intro to battletech was playing MechWarrior 2: Mercenaries. In that videogame, the first myster clanmechs the player encounters are a MadCat and a Jenner IIC, if memory serves right. So I wanted my friend to have a similar experience to what I had in the viddygaem. But yeah the Timby actually almost ate shit with a lucky headshot.
>>98582024I'll be honest that's on me being retarded. Forgot a madcat's weight, did a very brief check on megamek since it was already open and saw 90 tons, not realizing that that was the Madcat II. Still 75 tons and 35 tons is a huge gap in weight between the only two mechs that incentivizes madcat doing the real killing while jenner objective snipes.
>>98582043You're a hundred percent right and why I said the clanners needed to up their weights and guns and/or slow the fuck down.
>>98582009>>98582037Also to your point about Clan immediately attacking after batchall refusal: Don't they want to stay at range? I figured charging into close range would be very stupid. My idea with the MadCat was keeping my distance at use my better range brackets to my advantage, cover, use terrain to prevent them from surrounding me, etc. I also figured this could entice them to leave the Mechbay (which is exactly what happened) which meant the Jenner IIC could sneak behind and get some juicy backstabs + make a run at the obj (which is what happened)Should the MadCat just run in and beeline to the Mechbay and not give a shit?
>>98582050No dude, you played it right for the scenario. The issue is your Jenner IIC and your players. You need to adjust things to affect the win conditions.
>>98582060Of course, I understand. Was just wondering flavor-wise what would have been appropriate (I don't want to be a WAAC-fag, which is why I wanted the light role-playing to feature in the scenario)
>>98582077On that note—what is Clan supposed to do if for example the Star Captain dies? Would the Jenner pilot go out in a blaze of glory? Run away? Completely up to the roleplayer?Pretty certain the Jenner pilot dying would've pissed off the Star Captain bigly, since she's bloodnamed. Not so sure about the other guy.
>>98582083Gain some glory and fight for a promotion. Clanners game their own systems, too.
>>98582050>Don't they want to stay at range? I figured charging into close range would be very stupid. Yes, but clanners are stupid, especially when their honour is insulted.>I challenge you to a batchall>I accept I bid my lance of battlemechs>Very well and I bid three mechs, half a star of Clan Jade Falcon>Fight honorable duels at longish range>I challenge you to a batchall>Challenge me to what?>You didn't follow my script! REEEEEEEE!>Clanners proceed to rush in to kill the dezgra spheroids>My idea with the MadCat was keeping my distance at use my better range brackets to my advantage, cover, use terrain to prevent them from surrounding me, etc. I also figured this could entice them to leave the Mechbay (which is exactly what happened) which meant the Jenner IIC could sneak behind and get some juicy backstabs + make a run at the obj (which is what happened)Not saying your strategy was unsound, but (especially if you were running the scenario for a new player) it's often best to lean towards enjoyment over what will get you the pragmatic win. Clanners being aggressive, perhaps even honing in on the enemy commander for his insult is more fun for the new guy than either hunkering down until the game ends or closing in and getting objective sniped.>Should the MadCat just run in and beeline to the Mechbay and not give a shit?It should go in to try and get kills as efficiently as possible. I'm thinking of it more from a lore perspective, he issues a challenge and the IS commander essentially said "fuck off retard" so while the objective is still the goal, fuck the commander and fuck his spheroid buddies, I'll kill them myself.
>>98582087you make very good points and I will try to incorporate this "Clanners are stupid" doctrine into my future games. thanks anon
>>98582131Clanners are a mix of stupid and brilliant. This is why Jade Falcons are the best clan. They're the clannest clan, the proper mix of everything that makes a clan a clan. Every other just focuses on a particular piece instead of the whole.
>>98582161Jade Falcons are just batshit fucking insane. I feel if you gave their warriors cocaine it would actually calm them down.
>>98582219Depends on the era, but you better not mention fucking KAKAROT!
Funny little thing - at anime con, one group 3D printed ~50cm Battlemechs models. Pretty cool.
Speaking of Jade Falcons, what are the mechs they are most likely to field in early invasion? is first wave canonically all omnis? Any other assets? I remember them having aerotech from the cartoon
>>98582282Woah. Awesome
>>98582291There is this magical publication called the Jade Falcon Phonebook (Clan Jade Falcon Sourcebook) that actually enumerates all the invading forces and tells the chassis retconners to go fuck themselves.
>>98582323thanks
>>98582219They're exemplars of clan culture and values.
>>98581153They are indeed IWM Magi
>>98582245To this day I still believe the Ginyu Force would not be out of place within the Turkina Keshik.
>>98581153https://www thingiverse.com/thing:4563910
>>98581153https://www thingiverse.com/thing:6841658
>>98582346Base treachery and scat worship? Checks out.
>>98582415>Star Captain Ginyu takes better mechs from treacherous trials.But what planet is Space Australia, Huntress?
>>98582376
>>98582050You can adjust the conditions of capture as well. Depending on how many mechs are fielded, say the player must occupy X capture points for Y turns. For snatched and grab, make the objective heavy enough so that a light mech can't lift it, etc.
>>98582506Mean it has the autism for it?
On the topic of clan intro scenarios one I've always wanted to run is>Lance v Lance IS battle (say 5k bv each)>Players let to believe it's a conventional battle>Turn 3 or so a star of clanners show up (say 8k bv total) and begin attacking both sides>IS get new objectives to fend off the clanners, any original objectives have their value heavily decreasedI think it would be fun, spend a couple turns fighting each other in a normal battle before the clanners show up and are heavily pushed to work together and maybe have to share victory than be wiped out.
>>98583700>Kill Clanners>Ok now back to killing each other rather than share winThe True Ending
>>98583700That legit is a scenario with Phelan Kell in the merc combat manual.
>>98583858I mean I know that was a canon event with Kell and Ryan's kid, didn't know there was an official scenario with rules for it.
>>98583858>>98583884Except the pirates didn't team up with the Hounds to drive off the Clanners?
>>98583884It is alpha shite but probably could jury rig your own CBT scenario out of it.>>98583924They do in this version.
>>98582506The MechWarrior games make it look more South American, what with all the jungles, which I guess makes sense because of the Jaguars.Also, what's the deal with that? As I understand it, all the Clan totem animals are genetically engineered Earth creatures except for the Ice Hellion, which is a dinosaur-like alien. So, was Huntress terraformed into a jungle planet and stocked with wildlife in a ridiculously short time span, or did the SLDF just genetically engineered a horribly dangerous introduced species to drop into an alien ecosystem for funsies?
>>98584092>They do in this version.Lame
>>98584119>was Huntress terraformed into a jungle planet and stocked with wildlife in a ridiculously short time span,Yes. That's how magical SLDF terraforming works. You either dump a lot of almost earth stuff on something or spend hundreds of years fighting the local wildlife to be able to live unmolested.
>>98582131Karensky only left the clans with a single braincell to share between them and clan wolf stole it.
>>98584119Burrocs, Star Adders, and Sea Foxes at least have native totem animals as well. Jade Falcons, Fire Mandrills, Hell's Horses, and Smoke Jaguars, and Diamond Sharks all use genetically engineered Earth animals as their totems, with Wolves (as well a Mongooses and Wolverines) just have normal Earth animals. Blood Spirit totem is the power of friendship.Of the rest of the Clans, some of them might also have native animals, but I don't remember. Ghost Bears are probably native to Pentagon Worlds since they're six-limbed creatures that vaguely resemble a bear, rather than just Earth bears but big and funky colored.
>>98584119>So, was Huntress terraformed into a jungle planet and stocked with wildlife in a ridiculously short time span,They terraformed already habitable planets.
>>98584222I could've sworn I read somewhere that sea foxes are actually genetically engineered otters.
>>98584269They're specifically mentioned as being aquatic reptiles that just bear a cursory resemblance to mammals.
>>98584092Eh, not quite what I had in mind, but still neat. I was thinking they'd actually be fighting each other until the clans show up.
>>98584280Ah.Honestly, my headcanon is that most if not all the "alien" wildlife in BattleTech is just the result of forgotten independent colony projects from the early FTL era. How likely is it that something from another planet with a completely different evolutionary history would resemble categories of Earth life like "reptiles" or "mammals" at all, anyway? I mean, if life evolved on a planet with a similar environment to Earth it would probably be carbon-based, but everything after that is the result of a very specific chain of events that might not happen elsewhere. Would the prokaryote/eukaryote split happen inevitably in any carbon-based ecology? Would the Oxygen Catastrophe? Would every Earth-like planet have enough sources of calcium to make evolving bones economically viable?
>>98584412Counterpoint: the species we see are a handful of what would be billions of them out there due to the number of worlds. While Earth's evolutionary history has some specific factors in the order it played out, at the same time, stuff like a skeleton is generally useful enough that other worlds could have evolved the same solution independently. Like how Carcinization happens.And also that of what we do know, a good chunk of them we only really have the external appearance of rather than any of the internals. That shit could be way weirder. They could evolve a skeleton, but its structure could also not be one that contains Stem Cells or processes blood like ours do, with those handled by a unique organ while the skeleton does something else.
Any updates from the anons running games in the thread?Have we found the missing anons for the academy game?Did the Marian cat girl raid fill?
>>98584412All solar systems are formed from supernova remnants, the raw elements will probably have a similar distribution everywhere. Basic organic chemicals are found all over, as far as we know the amino acids used by earth life naturally form in comets and asteroids. Vents on Encedeladus spew out liquid water and organic molecules into orbit.Unless you get life with 'wrong sided' amino acids like Turians in Mass Effect there is every reason to expect alien life on Earth like planets to be fundamentally biochemically compatible. But there is no reason to expect evolution to closely follow what happened here, the Cambrian explosion led to lots of new body plans, many no longer exist.
How have you served the Free Worlds League today?
>>98584412We've found precisely zero other life-bearing planets, so we don't know.
>>98584121Some would. This guy probably would. Unless you were from the Combine.
>>98582161Jade Falcon are and have always been Clan Vegeta, and all that that implies.
>>98584528Honestly the best summation of them.
>>98584222You know, it's weird that diamond sharks are descended from Earth life and sea foxes aren't. Given that dolphins and icthyosaurs convergently evolved to resemble sharks millions of years apart, it's much more likely that an alien sea creature would look like one, too than a fuzzy mammal.
>>98584555Diamond Sharks are a deliberate bioweapon designed for a specific purpose. Unlike a lot of the artificial totem animals that were designed to spice up a safari or settle a late night drunk craving.
What color would you paint the mechs' joints, actuator, panels and stuffs with, if you decided to go with steel or gunmetal for your main color scheme? Don't think bright silver/aluminium gonna look that much different.
>>98584607Dull grey. Dark grey if the body is bright, bright grey if the body is dark.
>>98584579That's the backstory for them, sure. I'm just saying, statistically it's more likely that an alien planet with lots of water would have lifeforms resembling sharks than anything else from Earth since so many species here with very different physiology have evolved into a similar form. It's clearly an ideal body plan for a carnivorous, aquatic vertebrate.
Amaris Dragoons and Black Widow Company: Which one should I go with blueish highlight, and which one with greyish highlight?
>>98584512By waging war against our greatest enemies, the FWL!
>>98584886Blue for Amaris, grey for the Widows
So do the Anduriens hate being in the FWL? Want to replace the Mariks? Or what?
>>98584119>all the Clan totem animals are genetically engineered Earth creaturesMost, but not all.
>https://youtu.be/016ZJtdgiCsNever even realized they released the fourth always, always did appreciate this series for showing how helpless convees and infantry are in the face of mechs.
>>98584990They're tsundere with the FWL: they prefer it to the Capellans, but the FWL has been abusive in the past, so Andurien is stuck wanting independence from toxic FWL but isn't strong enough to keep the Capellans off their worlds alone.
>>98584990The Andurien and the FrogAn Andurien, being a poor swimmer, asked a Frog to carry him across a river on his back."How do I know you won't sting me?" asked the Frog."Because," replied the Andurien, "if I sting you while you're swimming, I shall die too, for I cannot swim."The Frog thought this over and decided it made sense. So he agreed, and the Andurien climbed onto his back. Together they set off across the river.Halfway across, the Frog felt a sharp pain in his back, and a numbing poison began to spread through his body."You fool!" croaked the Frog. "Now we shall both die! Why did you sting me?""Lol," said the Andurien, "lmao"Some natures cannot change, no matter what reason demands.
>>98585087They simply need to do what the Taurians did when they came calling: engage in mass terror attacks and make use of nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons attacks to make sure any gains made off their backs are entirely phyrric and come at the abominable cost of millions of lives.
>>98585269It's also not really true, their most defining moment is deciding "you know what, we can invade and take over the Capellans with a bit of help from the Canopians." and then they split off and did that until the FWLM stepped in and slapped them on the wrist for invading without permission. They are currently invading the Capellans again in Ilclan, this time with no help and no one around to slap them for it.
>>98585073Why are they standing still so muchAre they stupid
>>98585344Infantry in Battletech don’t really get the best training since 99% of them are conscripts from the planet they’re recruited from who have never seen a battlemech
>>98585353no I mean the mechs lmaoThat Trebuchet really just said "Nah I'd win" and stood still in the face of a Rifleman and Catapult unloading on it
>>98585295And currently their Duke is married to the Magestrix who is the sister and heir apparent of the recently deceased Chancellor. Luckily these are Ilclan era lords, so the chances of the Kwisatz Liaoderach actually being born is slim to none. But if he ever accidentally trips and his penis lands inside his wife in just the wrong way, the inner sphere could be in trouble. That kid will be the worst thing since Amaris.
>>98585007>a Clan forever cucked by Fiat from cool insignia
>>98585355I mean he had Quickdraw and Atlas on their way to reinforce.
>>98585378I guess it's mostly just that MechWarrior (videogame) style combat looks much more sluggish and awkward than how Battletech (tabletop) style combat looks in my imagination. And this animation (whlie it is cool) draws heavily from the MechWarrior style instead of the one in my head (how dare they)Here's one I likehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsbqGKyoMsE
>>98585389Instant classic. I really hope whoever makes the next BattleTech vidya takes note.
>>98585389I don't think Mechwarrior alone caused the impression. I think the speed of a game of Classic typically takes people is also a big factor.Like, even if you are running through the turns fast, you are still going to be a hell of a lot slower than a turn of combat would take "canonically" because if I recall right, each turn is merely 10 seconds (I know A Time of War uses 5 second turns and for that explicitly says Heat Sinks are only half as effective compared to the wargame due to the shorter period of time).A four hour match IRL could very easily in-universe only be 2 minutes long, but the former is what you experience so it all feels longer.
>>98585389This is fucking incredible.
>>98585451I would find that very weird. I am not a fast BT player (even though I aspire to be), but I am very aware that turns are short 10 second bursts. I see it in my head how the action is fast paced. Even if I've spent hours at the table I love imagining all the shit happening very quickly. This has also been the case with other people I play withWhen I see depictions that show mechs as these big lumbering behemoths I just get weirded out. They're so much cooler than tanks with legs. You're doing them a disservice by trying to show them "realistic" imo
>>98585374My Keshik will rock the Smug Snek, just you wait.
>>98585389>Combine WolverineSEX
>>98585357Damn, the guy would need to overdose on viagra and coccaine meth crystal mix to land his dick inside her
>>98585357>>98585596The art for her is so shit. She's described as a Nasty K-tier ultra milf, but they all draw her as some shriveled little prune.
>>98585596>the Yellow Toad of Dorne
>>98585596>>98585613I assume she's got a division of MIM running ahead of her, hitting everyone with some sort of black budget beer goggle inflicting energy weapon. And a cabal of voodoo witches running interference at the... palace? Mansion? Hive?
>>98585671The elites don't want you to know this, but catgirls are a hive species, and the Magistrix is their queen.
>>98585686I knew there was a reason she pressured Ari to get those spikes and claspers installed.
>>98585686>>98585691It's shameful that based Buquoy died defending the degenerate waste of space that Canopus would later become. Disgusting.
>>98585794>Woman he fought for literally said "Tea or me?" to the FWL conqueror.There was never anything worth saving.
>>98585889A true tragedy. Even his unit didn't live past him, and they fought the SLDF and the FWL for 10 years.
>>98585889In front of his mom, no less.>tfw you're in a conference with fifteen sldf officers and half a dozen administrators trying to discuss transferring partial governance back to civilian authorities in conquered space and the leader of the nation you conquered is on the other end of the table unbuttoning your son's dress shirt with her tongue
>>98585613Conventionally attractive women make ugly women and trannies jealous and mad, and so they aren't allowed to be depicted in media created by West Coast liberals. What you need to understand is that fat and old = beautiful, and if you want more than that then the problem is you. The male gaze doesn't belong in wargaming.
>>98585794He's a man. Who cares what he thinks? If his opinion mattered he would have transitioned.
>>98585917As a white man with a hot black girlfriend that has a pornstar-tier body with F-cups, I feel the Centrellas have been poorly represented after the Jihad.
>>98585933Oh come on anon. You goddamn well know that no one is going to believe a word you say without a timestamped pic. Why would your even bother posting?
>>98585924I pray to Blake the Marians consign every Canopian to slave stables and use them as pirate barter stock.
>>98585946You're a man. Who cares what you think? If you wanted your opinion to matter, you would have transitioned.
>>98585937I mean, she already went home for the night, but have a picture of the swimsuit she's wearing for this weekend at Deep Eddy. Just a bit chunky but look at that thigh gap, and even wore heels to make her butt look extra good. Don't make me post my own howler monkey graybeard face with her.
>>98585910
Rolled 2, 4, 4, 5, 4, 5, 6, 4 = 34 (8d6)>>98571891>elemental catgirls with a penchant for genocideI will join your raid in return for slave-taking rights.
>>98583700For a Clan intro you should run a mini campaign where they get to have a few games of styling all over pirates so they start thinking they're hot shit, then have a Clan star show up and fucking wreck them. A proper and historically accurate introduction.
>>98585962You do not pass
>>98571891>>98585999>6 (Medium)>9 (Enforcer-4R)>9 (Regular)>6 (3 Gunnery)>4 (5 Piloting)Oh, let's go with Caius Cosades, because I'm not feeling very original tonight.
>>98585467>They're so much cooler than tanks with legs. You're doing them a disservice by trying to show them "realistic" imoNTA, but I'd argue it's more that the popular conception of tanks is still very stuck in World Wars-era imagery. People really don't understand just how fucking fast tanks are these days.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5XUQ2beGfMThat's about 7 hexes in game terms, and unlike tanks, 'Mechs can turn at that speed without flipping over. Of all fucking things, the CoD Ghosts tank level might actually be one of the best depictions of what Introtech combat would look like.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C77Y3mQYSf0
>>98586183>People really don't understand just how fucking fast tanks are these days.Not sure if M1A3 will nerf it with the new engine style and probably a computerized governor, but M1A2 SEP could go insanely fast (the turbine engine is based off the UH-60 Blackhawk's) if not for the tracks snapping at >70 mph. 73 tons moving at 55 mph is surreal as is, but I felt certain the engine could take it to 100 mph and not even strain, but for that track integrity issue.
>>98584412>How likely is it that something from another planet with a completely different evolutionary history would resemble categories of Earth life like "reptiles" or "mammals" at all, anyway?Physics limit the number of optimal shapes and categories don't cry out in pain when abused.You're going to eventually get a dolphin, a crocodile, a crab, a beetle, ect because those shapes work very well.Though, admittedly, many planets in BT are way younger than Earth, so lots of aliens are going to be more experimental.
>>98586219>many planets in BT are way younger than EarthAnd possibly less receiving of tectonic activity and life-ending catastrophes clearing the slate for lifeforms that never would have achieved dominance otherwise.
>>98571891So closing entries I will roll for the rest. * indicates who I rolled. If you did roll a character and I missed you please let me know. Will say this the Marians have got powerful Gods on their side cause holy fuck have their piloting rolls been great. Magistracy did get an assault but it is not exactly the best. In fact with all the B configs they really have sent their B team out.Attackers: Marian Raiding PartyManiple HBK-5H Hunchback Legionnaire Larry Lipscomb 4/4WTH-1H Whitworth Mirabelle Ren 4/4VTR-9K Victor Legionnaire Gaius Maximus Chaddus 3/5HBK-4P Hunchback Calidus Canis 4/6LDT-X2 Brigand Marc McDonald 4/6BJ-3 Blackjack Gaius O'Mallicus 3/3ENF-4R Enforcer Caius Cosades 3/5*VND-3L Vindicator, “Posca” 3/2*JA-KL-1532 Jackal "Brutus" 4/4*PXH-1 Phoenix Hawk "Solonius" 2/3BV = 13662 Tons = 460Defenders: 1st Canopian CuirassiersNovaMechsRyoken B Cat Hag 3/4Viper Prime Amelia "Bengal" Devereaux 4/4Puma B Chester Smoke Jaguar 3/5Shadow Cat B Midnight Miley 2/4*Masakari B "Kitten" 3/4ElementalsChunk Smoke Jaguar 3/4Clarissa Smoke Jaguar 4/6*Kars Smoke Jaguar 4/4*Esidisi Smoke Jaguar 3/6*Wamuu Smoke Jaguar 3/5BV = 15663 Tons = 265Will look to run this later in the day or tomorrow depending when I get back.
How possible it would be for some of the clan dark caste or second line warriors to start pirate band in IS with freeborns?I'm trying to come up with some OC pirates and wonder if clan/is pirates could be a thing.Pic is my scheme for them.
>>98586581IIRC, there was a slow melding in the Coreward Periphery leading up into the Reaving, and there's really no distinction between Clan bandits and IS pirates up there anymore.
>>98585917>>98585671Honestly I just assumed she was really old in the pic, and the description is about her younger years.
>>98586581It's left as a mystery what the green ghost's whole deal is, but they definitely have Inner sphere pirate, Clan and blakist elements.
>>98586540>WarhawkWell, that's slightly terrifying. At least the Adder isn't a Prime. That stormcrow is gonna be a bitch, too, and the other two have some serious mobility.
>>98585917Doesn't explain, why they made Clan aerospace phenotype conventionally attractive goth milf in the same book.
>>98586771People would get uncomfortable with Davionman banging a legal loli.
>>98586595Except the description is about when she married Humphreys. The pictures are all within 5-10 years of that. You could make a meme of it being the old asian lady thing, but the artists clearly are only going off of X age, X general ethnicity.It's like how they completely miss Romano Liao being a redhead or Takashi Kurita having blue eyes.
>>98586800>It's like how they completely miss Romano Liao being a redheadI did appreciate that they managed to capture the crazy eyes though.
>>98586594>>98586598This is currently my force for Tortuga Dread Hornets.I was thinking of adding star of IIc mechs and point of clan fighters plus another infantry platoon or another is lance. Depending on what I can get at our shop.
>>98585269>mass terror attacks and make use of nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons attackshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJxfwr9WT_AMess with the bull...Also Concordat only used it against invaders
>>98585357>Kwisatz LiaoderachAnon...
>>98586843This. She's heir to all 3 states.
>>98586789Aerospace are legitimate AYYYs, not lolis.
>>98586847RIP Green Bird.
>>98586863They're small and slightly built with big heads and eyes. It's pretty much "what if anime characters were drawn in realistic style".
>>98586789>People would get uncomfortable with Davionman banging a legal loli.Legal Shota on legal Loli action is still intended to be pedo porn, yes.
>>98586885Pretty sure midget porn is still legal
>>98586878>>98586863>when he give you the aerospace phenotype stare
>>98586813But you don't understand anon! We have to make all the factions ethnic based! Why? Because... because we just do! Okay!?
>>98586902I actually appreciated the old lore setup that planets were pretty ethnically solid like exhibits in a zoo, and only the nobility by nature of being able to actually interstellar travel and making alliances through blood are a complete mix. So you got the vaguely Japanese Kurita with blue eyes from marrying Hogs for 400 years.
Rolled 3, 4, 4, 1, 2, 6, 5, 1 = 26 (8d6)>>98586540Well now hold on a gosh darn minute there son! If you're just going to make up a bunch, I'll roll a Marian so that I can play both sides. I'll even come up with some lore for the pilot.A woman who was genetically modified into a catgirl against her will and forced to work in Canopus. She was taken prisoner in a Marian slave raid. While a slave in the Marian Hegemony, she found that she was actually treated better than she was in the Magistracy of Canopus. She was allowed to pilot an industrial mech for some work and found to have a knack for it. A Marian noble took a liking to her and the 2 fell in love and were wed. Her husband was a Mechwarrior that died in combat against the MoC, but his mech was salvaged and she became the inheritor for it. From slave girl to Mechwarrior.Now she regularly goes on Marian Hegemony raids to free those she believes have worse lives in the MoC than they would in the MH and also to get some payback against the MoC Mechwarriors who took her husband from her.Kat "Constantine" White
*blocks your path*Whatchu gon gon do lil davion boi?
>>98586987Alright, so 7(3+4) for weight makes it a medium mech.The 5 (4+1), means that it's a Hunchback, HBK-4P.The 8 (6+2) makes her a regular with the 3/6 stats (5 for gunnery roll, 1 for piloting).Eyy, so look at that. Why not include her in place of 1 of those other 3 randos in Marian land? Your call which one, maybe even roll to determine which one if you like.
>>98586988Stand in front of him, he has dead 90 degrees there.
Are there any Davions who aren't femboys?
>>98587015Maybe the women. Maybe.
>>98586988I'd ask it why all three of its visible feet have different designs.
>Hauptmann is from 3060Why did I think it was released in 3064?
>>98587151Dunno. It's literally on the cover of TRO:3060. But, did you know the factory line was blown up in 3068 and never rebuilt? Rare bird, that one.
>>98587064Melanin level prevents you form understanding perspective.
>>98575502Honestly after their civil war in ilClan Era Rasalhague and Outworld Alliance (since most of their fleet departed to Inner Sphere) should go full Star Wars:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaAmF8gy6eQ
>>98587169Fortunately for me I'm playing a game set in the early 3060s monday.
>>98587174I didn't know loose was black.
>>98587268Anyone i disagree with is a brown obviously
>>98574511>The Rasalhague Dominion having an *actual* existential crisis because a big chunk of their civilization just ups and fucking diesYou do realise that WoBies aren't needed for this?Just lift off Turd Bears plot armorhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42CK0JSf0I8
>>98587064It's a common occurrence in giant robot art.
>>98587306very few factions in BT can survive their plot armour being disengaged, least of all the fucking clans.
>>98574511Thankfully wobniggers and comstarfaggots got exterminated like the shitskin baboons they are instead.
>>98587697We live rent free in your head and walls.
>>98586987>>98587000She can replace Brutus cause I think another Hunchback 4P is going to be very useful against BA. It is also shaping up that I will most likely run this tomorrow.
>>98587566Clans without plot armor would legit lose to the first RCT they come across during the invasion.
>>98574511>Nobody likes the Wobbies, but everyone hates the clans.Not really. People don't destroy Omnimechs or glass a planet because some retard said "batchall."WoBBies being kill on sight is one of the few things that the entire Inner SPhere agrees on.
>>98574511>>98587697Cope?Everyone loves WoB.Thats why there is so much WoB love in memes.
>>98587982Ill never understand the logic of that.You have these fascist demand econemy eugenicists who enslave 99% of the population and murder eachother or anyone who disagrees like retarded klingons. Where the family has been disregarded because its an obstacle to the state and the population is controlled with drugs and sex like brave new world. Where they Genocide planets for rebellions. And somehow... the setting prefers them to the Wobbies because, its convenient to CGL's Wolf fanfics?
If the writers didn't want the Blakists to be beloved then they wouldn't have written the Dark Age the way they did.
>>98587982That's what makes them funny. Understandable base-level goals, absolute fucking shitshow of an execution. Then throw in some of the Amaris effect where people in-universe have a very justified cultural aversion that they are very bad at explaining individually because nobody actually understands the default position well enough to defend it coherently, and trolling as a Neo-Blakist is probably a huge hobby on the HPGnet.>>98588019The Clans didn't open hostilities by nuking House capitals and escalate from there. Simple as.
>>98588019Sure, but the fact of the matter is the Word is so hated that no one will willing use Celestials, and having cybernetics can get you lynched in some parts of the Sphere. Maybe it's because Clannerscum didn't delete entire worlds or use superweapons, maybe it's because they stink of Scientology, but the Word crossed some obscure lines.>>98588036Oh they are funny. Sucks that they and by extension Comstar are tainted by association with the Jihad and the Dark Age.
>>98588033The only reason you love them is because you're a psychopathic accelerationist who doesn't care what happens to people as long as the society you hate falls to pieces.
>>98588049That one's mostly on ClickyTech. The Jihad was already going to happen, but the CT time jump established the death of the Word, that the God-Emper-uh Delvin Stone had done it, and that everyone was so fucked up by the Jihad that he managed to shove through a mass reduction in military size across the Sphere. CGL was working from a known end point, and getting to it was a bit fucky. The Secret Files are essentially an attempt to patch it up post-mortem, and paints it as the WoB severely overreacted to the death of the Second Star League, set off everyone's 2nd Succession War trauma hard enough to get a united front built against them, and chose death over whatever surrender would cost them. For everything the screeching snowflake is losing his mind over, the Nazi comparison is surprisingly apt in how badly they mismanaged their position and made it everyone else's problem.
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>>98588033The Dark Age was written first, during the clickytech era, and the Jihad was written later to fill in the blanks. A lot of the dumb stuff that happens during the Jihad happens because it had already been established in the Dark Age lore.The problem is that since everybody hates the Stoners, it makes Blakists seem better because we know that them losing is what led to the shittiest part of the timeline. Plus, they wanted to genocide the Clans, which everybody who has ever had to endure the bullshit that is cLPL spam agrees is a noble and worthy goal.
>>98588033You literally cannot write a faction that won't get fans.
>>98588064I love them because Blakes sacred order protected the Inner Sphere for 300 years after the Clanners abandoned Terra to go be furfags in nazi suits and now you want to dissolve the star league to protest us after all we've done? Fuck you, fuck the wolfs dragoons, fire the nukes.Ill teach you a lesson about who's actually in charge of the inner sphere you heretic motherfucker.
>>98588064I love them because they have great machines.I love them because they have great theme.I love them because they have great memes.I love them because they have great songs.Retards(you) and normies dieing as society I hate falls to pieces is just the cherry on top.Praise Blake!Praise Toyama!Death to carrion Lords and clanner animals.
>>98588608Beautiful Shadow Division mechs.Praise Blake.Blessed is the Word.
Anons just need a Blakist girlfriend in their lives.
>>98588630ybgfwnbaw
>>98588630True! I was inspired to write an OC merc commander and to make picrel as his Blakist (she got amnesia :D so she's one of our gang now) gf
>>98587306Bears getting assraped in a Tsushima style naval battle and a following Mukden land battle would be so satisfying.
I'm writing a (Alpha Strike) scenario for my friends, and it'll be about the fall of Terra - they'll be playing as the RAF and I'll keep throwing at them a soup of whatever the fuck Clan mechs I have, the list of RAF mechs is:Malice XV (Hastati Sentinels colors)Malice XV (Princeps Guards colors)Malice XV (Standing Guard colors)Malice RISC x1 (Hastati Sentinels colors)Hauptmann OD x1 (Standing Guard colors)Ares Poseidon x1 (Hastati Sentinels colors)Lament 2R x1 (Hastati Sentinels colors)Viking 2F x1 (Standing Guard colors) Any anons wanna try to give names and roll for skill levels? (since it's alpha strike I'd kindly request only a single d4 roll - these are Terran mechwarriors, they aren't green, they aren't going to be any skill level lower than 4!)
>>98572400i still don't get why they forced the Big MAC into being mercenaries again, it's really dumb
>>98588994>these are Terran mechwarriors, they aren't green,Under the Fortress, it was the total opposite. Fortress saved like 3 regiments of actual mechs, and when they dropped the Wall to attack with 25 nearly 15 years later, it was pretty much all unblooded kids. The RAF was like the old Comguard before Tukayyid, pretty much just green with fancy toys. Vets were the rare paladins and the Remnant outside the Wall.
>>98584990They were once fanatically pro-Free Worlds.That's the funny thing about Andurien: it was Catherine Humphreys who sold the people of the duchy on the idea of secession after unnamed soldiers killed her aunt and put her in power, and the whole thing has obviously been about giving herself and her children more power. Andurien was safe and protected within the League, and until then House Humphreys held a place of esteem in Free Worlds history and Andurien's troops held dignified reputations.But Catherine and her descendants have all wanted power whether it hare-lips everyone on Andurien or not. So they seceded over being told not to invade the Capellans, and then turned around and allied with the Capellans.
>>98588999It was a blessing, really. Daoshen putting his incest-baby in charge of them and fucking over the actual McCarrons was never going to change. They would cease to be the MAC if they didn't leave.
>>98588019The Word was too much like the SLDF.People think they wanted the Star League back, but when they actually got an military that rolled like the SLDF they changed their minds pretty damn quick.
>>98588964Krillin!!!
>>98589041So we know WoB survived the Jihad and got away with a load of troops, cyborgs and warships.And then Dark Age introduced a load of Blakist remnant groups and neo-Blakists. Did anything ever come of them or did the writers forget about the Soldiers of Apollyon, Broadsword Brotherhood, the White Hand, and the Kittery Resistance?
>>98589096Buhl's boys were the only real significant ones, and they killed them in a random RAF XTRO before backfilling with a turning point. They didn't even bother to write the fall of Tukayyid to the Sharts or Comstar headquarters falling when Callison fell to the wolves. Basically, the current people can't be asked to write C*/Wobbies unless it's Herb on Halloween when you can summon him when the veil is thin for some Ghosts of Obeedah.
>>98589114I will forever be sad that Cincinati didn't go up in a Blakist nuclear suicide bomb when the Woofs came in.
>"Whoever does not miss the Word of Blake has no heart. Whoever wants it back has no brain." -Terran proveb
>>98589096There's supposed to be a resurgence of cultists and weirdo space religions of all sorts in the hinterlands, including neoblakists (and One Star, Cult of St Cameron, etc) but it isn't really expanded on yet and might only be used for small mission hook type plots.
>>98589143>Terran proveb>provebI can see what Stoner occupation has done to Terrans
>>98589133I'm sad too. It would have been a net improvement for ohio.
>>98589149The RoTS occupation has been a neverending humiliation ritual.Well, until it ended anyway. Now it's a neverending Clanner humiliation ritual.
>>98588064Yes. And if we nuke Wolves, Davions and Goons by the hundreds in the process it's a complete plus. Praise Blake and pass the ammunition.>>98589096Again, all we got was Ghosts of Obeedah, that confirmed that the Manei Domini survived with a rump ghost fleet of Warships and after the Blackout they fucked in the Deep Periphery to rebuild with automata, non-sentient AI and cyborg hookers. I do not doubt they will be forgotten or misused by the writers.Killing off Comstar was an incredibly retarded move on CGL's part (just check the new manual, with the 3152 jump they are barely even named anymore) because let's be honest cutting off one of the few factions with both a somewhat different playstyle (combined arms and base six) and "cultural differences" (toaster worshipping) in exchange for More Clans.... at this point keep Buhl as an ally for some Corpse Lord that doesn't want to take Clan cock every day. But nooo, that would be Not Writing Clans Every Day.
>>98589163it kind of doesn't even make sense that the sea foxes would be able to fill in for a group maintaining operations on 2000+ worlds. it's beyond the scope of anything they've ever done.
Anyone have any fun Quickdraw variants? Mostly looking for introtech or Clan Invasion era gear due to new players, but anything is welcome!
>>98589168But they're Clan! And they have"fox" in the name! How cool is that? Don't you love more Clans?
>>98589019Yeah but I want my boys to have some fun and not get run down - they are fighting Clanners, skill 3 warriors at the minimum - the players will LOSE and will DIE to the last man, I want them to be capable of illuding themselves of being able to win
>>98589163CGL gooning to clanners is so enraging.Never let Blake die in your heart.
>>98589176Maybe its a marketing scheme cause 40k kids love to think of clanners as being like space marines.
>>98589207insha'Blake it's our duty to carry his light within us
>>98589168They can't do the logistics, the banking, or anything at that scale, really. But, then if we weren't sucking their dick, a single flight of Picaroons could have wrecked the merchant warships blockading everything during the Regulan War.Boy, that would have been sweet, MAD of the Regulan and Sea Fox merchant and war fleets instead of the one-sided retard stomp we got.
>>98589041About the only people who actually know what the true Star League were like were the Periphery and most still hold grudges to this day. Even the Clans with their twisted romanticised vision would be horrified if they were transported back in time and got to see the Star League at its peak.
>>98589156>It would have been a net improvement for ohio.But then how would I get spaghetti slathered in chili and cheese instead of tomato sauce?
>>98589388DEZGRA!
>>985891755A and 5K/5K2Surprisingly fun backstabbers when fighting slower opponents. 5K's are massively oversinked so they might be a bit more new player friendly as in they won't have to worry about heat. Only problem with the Quickdraws though is that they severely lack armor especially in this era so the moment they get focused they'll get torn to shreds.
>>985895905k2 is my go to quickdraw if I have to have one, they are really good in vidya tho.
>>985891758k is fun, no-one likes an MRM30 in the back.
>>98588019>Where they Genocide planets for rebellionsAs opposed to Wobblies who genocide planets as an opening salvo.I hate both clanners and Wobblies, the former because their culture is abhorrent, the latter because they can never be trusted not to destroy civilization. With clanners though, I at least know where I stand.Both of these groups are fanatics obsessed with the realization of their vision, but one of them has rules and limits. A Blakist, meanwhile, will commit any violation, carry out any atrocity, so long as it furthers the cause. I can never trust a group like that or be at ease anywhere within their general area.They were mad dogs that needed to be put down.Despite this I actually quite like Comstar and its a shame that they got watered down and then taken out.
>>98589802>but one of them has rules and limits.At least the Word weren't self dealing hypocrits, in that they didn't have an honor system to pay lip service to and then drop the minute it actually got in the way of what they wanted. The Word was what the Word was.
>>98589937Not holding any pretenses of moral standards doesn't make the WoB any better, it just makes them a more naked evil.
>>98590055Killing clanners is always correct
>>98590055Considering clanners ultimately won and subjugated the inner sphere WoB did nothing wrong. Maybe the Second Star League should have continued killing clanners until the Inner Sphere was cleansed of clanners and the Homeworlds were cleansed of all life.
>>98590204>burn down the IS and leave the door open for the Clans>Clans walk into the open door>OY VEY WE DINDU NUFFIN YOU SHOULDA LISSENED TO US!
>>98589802>As opposed to Wobblies who genocide planets as an opening salvo.But for strategic reasons, as opposed to the Great Houses and Clans that genocide planets for willy nilly retard reasons
>>98590204>wonVery cute. Now hold still Wolfy I got something for you.
Everything the Word did was peanuts compared to the First Succession War.
>>98590204They had a huge chance too. The Jade Falcons and Wolves were bled white. The only strong clan left in the Occupation Zones were the Ghost Bears, and they'd gone Warden.Inner Sphere could have killed two more clans and liberated scores of worlds.
>>98590338Everything anyone did was peanuts compared to the 1st.
>>98590557Yeah, so that means the wobbies are no worse than the great houses. They should also get century or 2 of nuking shit before they decide it isn't worth it anymore.
>>98590591They had ComStar's centuries of watching everyone else nuking shit, and STILL decided to go through with it. That takes a special kind of stupid.
>>98590601Bruh, you act like no one saw the unification wars. Everyone knew what they were doing. But how convenient is it to paint your present enemies as uniquely evil for doing what you did in the past.Get bent. If you didn't want to get nuked you shouldn't have killed the Second Star League and finished of the clanners.
>>98590607Exactly: in the past. Against all odds, the Inner Sphere managed to (mostly) re-establish the nuclear taboo, a principle even the Clans (mostly) abide by. The Word knowingly and willfully broke it, against everyone at once, and you're surprised that everyone ganged up on them and blame them when the Blakists were too full of their own shit to know they'd gone too far and chose to get themselves wiped out before owning up to it.
>>98590607Are you seriously suggesting that emulating Amos fucking Forlough is justifiable precedent?
>>98590274>I-It was onpy because of the WOB that we fell, not like Combine lost three wars in a row against the Ghost Bears and Lyrans got assraped by Falcons half a century after the Jihad which is no time to recoverThe moment the clans repudiated the Great Refusal the IS should have gone full Combine on the clans killing every warrior and sterilizing every civilian. Instead the Second Star League did literally nothing.
>>98590729Man, it's almost like SOMEBODY should have focused on the Clans instead of going nuclear over the Space UN being useless again.
SLDf defecting to Amaris during the Civil War: possible? plausible?
>>98590772SLDF members from Periphery populations maybe. Like maybe the few German-Americans who left to join Nazi Germany before the US got definitively committed against them. That might make sense.
>>98590772Implausible for entire units
>>98590299Tbf when the Great Houses did that it was generally for the purposes of asset denial (which doesn't excuse how freely they exterminatus'd entire worlds but it is still a valid strategic reason for doing it)When Clanners do it however it is generally just a genuine chimpout (unless they're JF under Malvina in which case it's for terrifying the remaining enemy/populace into submission)
Hey I forget, didn't the Fronc Reaches end up making an in-house battlemech design?
>>98590137Tell that to the billions of unaffiliated Sphereoids they butchered for shock value and non-clan worlds they sterilized because their "Third Transfer" prophecy turned out to be just schizo nonsense like everyone with a brain knew it was.>>98590735Pretty much this.
>>98590888>exterminatus'd
>>98590892Nothing original, possibly aside from an unspecified JL Raider design. They domestically manufacture the aforementioned Raider, primitive Toros, and a handful of Introtech mechs, most notably Colonial Tractors went from Hetzers to Hunchbacks. Their signature 'Mechs, the Marshal and Anubis, are imported from Detroit, and when that got handed over from Canopus to Liao was a big part of the impetus to get domestic production going.
>>98590892>>98590899They DO have an original battle armor design, the TinStar. The normal version is standard stuff with a David Gauss and a support PPC, but this is a downgrade from the original model, which used a Magshot and Clan-grade armor. The Sea Foxes wanted a sovereign enclave in return for selling a regular supply of the armor, and that was rejected. The Holt's Hiltoppers bring in a trickle from their contracts outside of Fronc space, and most of the A-grade suits are either in their service or the Fronc presidential protection detail.
>>98590909>They DO have an original battle armor design, the TinStar.>original>Clan-grade armor.
>>98590951Somebody did a fucky-wucky in OTP: Fronc Reaches, and RGi had to fix it. They're manufactured by a Hilltoppers subsidiary, so perhaps they had enough bits and pieces to cobble together the prototypes OTP:FR does claim them to be. RGi 10 then establishes that the Marshals nope'd out of the logistics clusterfuck that was going to be and got the aforementioned downgrade.
>>98590969>RGi 1028, my bad
>>98581171Tex shittalked this fuckbox in his latest vid
>>98591013Youtubers don't have to have good opinions, they just have to consistently upload.
>>98591039Magi is a bad design tbf.
>>98590617Always has been. Genocide of those who disagree with your politics is the minimum viable standard. Forlough didn't go far enough, really.
>>98591053Doesn't matter. If Tex says something, then that thing is wrong.
>>98591110That's untrue, but he is guilty of omission and bias
>>98591106You must have been breathtaking when running for student council in school.
>>98591106Funny how every civilization to put that principle into practice was the first to die.
>(...) and for ’Mech companies assigned to SAS duty. Because of the varied nature of their missions, SAS units cannot rely on brigade elements for support, and so they have mixed companies and—sometimes— mixed lances, much as the patchwork battalions and regiments of the member and territorial states.What does SAS stand for in this context?
>>98591189In the BattleTech universe, the Special Armed Services (SAS) was an elite anti-terrorism and special operations organization within the Star League Defense Force (SLDF) Special Forces Command
>>98589096They are closer than you think.
>>98590735Can't wipe out all the homeland clans without a united sphere and by the time the IS clans were crushed any surprise or advantage of the Word of Blake would have been long gone. Plus I doubt Lyrans or Suns would have been okay with clanner genocide.
>>98591296The Lyrans wouldn't have given a shit, ask the RWR how merciful Lyrans are
>>98591296From>Great Houses so shit, always lose to clans can't do anything rightto>umm akshaully we needed the great houses to get anything donein one post
>>98591209Bringing back the Aurigans and making them involved somehow with the Word would be some real monkey's paw shit.
>>98590772Parts of the SLDF did in fact defect but then there were parts of the Amaris forces that also defected to the SLDF.>>98591110In this case he is right. The base Magi is an IFV that can't carry infantry. Blakist one is alright though.>>98591311If they bring back the Aurgians they'll get a Davionman event.
>>98591139On one hand he's clearly doing a character with said biases and omissions and it's not inherently meant to be misleading, but on the other hand it's really annoying when secondaries take his videos like gospel.
>>98591311Why?
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>>98591311Counter point.It will actually make sense.
>>98591308They let Wolves in Exile live in their country for decades and walk off with their chattel to join the Wolf Empire without issue.>>98591309Alone they do just get raped, but united they defeated the clans. Without the Star League clans win, see the losses of the Lyrans and Draconis Combine who have never won a war against clanners since the collapse of the second star league. Reminder Draconis Combine is 0-3 against the Ghost Bears.
>>98591423They had the Kells vouching for them. No one would vouch for the fucking Jade Falcons.
>>98591432And how did that work out? They joined the Wolf Empire and soon the population of the Lyran Commonwealth will end up the chattel of the clans too. Combine at least learned the lesson eventually that the only reasonable response to clanners is genocide. Not like clanners have issue genociding each other, they do it constantly.
It's been about 3,000 years since a /btg has been made made while the previous one wasn't archived. So move your asses.>>98591508>>98591508>>98591508
>>98591013>texhe also managed to dox himself, check the yt comments for a moderator post
>>98591385Great non-argument, how's your hormonal treatment going?
>>98592040>Aurigan fan>Accusing others of hormonal treatmentsHoly particle projection cannon.
>>98591013based, he's not wrong
>>98590951IS engineers have been able to easily work with clan grade equipment for decades. And frankly, they're better at BA than the clanners are.
