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Played a 1500 point pitched battle vs Renegade ogres. Da Skull Smashaz and Ogres crossed paths after coming down from the Worlds Edge Mountains. The townsfolk had fled into the mansion of the local lord, watching terrified from the windows.Snagrog had his big uns with him, his lads. Bardok had come back, leading his black orcs and crazy Grotfsng with his boars. Snufgob abd his wolves lurched alongside Grimtoof the beleagured black orcs boyz and four trolls had followed suite. The arrer gits fixed their bows and the lobba pulled up.It was time for a good scrap.
>>98623680A giant on the field. Let's see if my yardstick holds true: the 200pt giant is how you should judge every unit, whether cav, inf, monster, or other. Ive always seen him hit just about his points value except rare circumstances he gets ass blasted by 3 cannons in a turn. And even then id say he might have pulled his weight cause those cannons didn't shoot something else.
>>98623680The battle started with the Greens winning the roll off. The Orcs held their position, but a lucky rock lobber hit instantly killed a Mournfang with Grotfang and the arrer boyz holding position.After the Mournfang charged and ran down the fleeing arrers, Grotfang and his boars charged into them, butchering the Mournfangs abd overrunning into the Gnoblar trappers, wiping them out.But it was on the right things were serious. The Giant charged the wolves who fled through the boyz only for it and the ironguts to slam into Grimtoof's lads. After catastrophic losses, they broke and fled through the wolves, the giant failing to catch them and the ironguts holding.Bardok, sensing the urgency of the situation, WAAAGHED and urged his fearful bkack orcs forward. The four trolls joined, crashing into the Ironguts.The battle was the most bloody abd gribdy ive ever seen. For 3 turbs, the black orcs, trolls and ironguts onky gave ground and everyone with great weapobs struck at the sane time. Ironguts, trolls and blorcs died. This combat lasted till the very end of the game, only the Tyrant being left!Bardok and his black orcs, although dying, really showed up this game.
>>98623620>Cathayan OPHow well is Warhammer Fantasy selling in China? How do Chinese netizens feel about Warhammer Fantasy's Cathay faction anyways? I'd imagine they can smell the pandering and maybe joke about it. I'm not sure if the Chinese pandering phase passed by the time Cathay was revealed in TWW3. But I do know that GW's schedule often makes them late for trends.
I'm stun locked on what army to start for battle march, I already have a tomb king and Dwarven army and can't decide between WoC, Beastmen, Cathay and Orcs.
>>98623726>How well is Warhammer Fantasy selling in China?Impossible to say. The majority of the models bought there are knockoff recasts without even having a transport cost.
>>98623738Beastmen are legit OP in battle march. Gors are too strong a core unit for such a small table.
>>98623716The giant was charged by the wolves and suffered a shocking two wounds. Despite its best attempts, after witnessing a stupid amount of 1s, it took the giant 2 turns to finish the wolves! The big boss broke only for the giant to overrun into Grintoof's gits!The chip damage had it to 2 wounds. The boyz wailed in fear, but Grimtoof passed the terror test, only for the giant to tear apart orcs in a random attack. Grimtoof, finally seeing a chance to make a serious name for himself, ordered the boyz to chop like they never chopped before. Grimtoof, blessed by Gork (or Mork) killed the Giant! Its corpse squashed some more Orcs but they held. The boyz cheered for their boss having slain a giant, but Grimtoof remained his dour self.
>>98623748After being blasted by the Leadbelchers and flamed by the Firebelly, Snagrog called a WAAAGH and charged, pushing through his ladz fear to urge them into melee. Many if his big uns had falken but still plenty left.Roaring a challenge, the Firebelly stepped forward to meet Snagrog. Before the Ogre could even strike, Snagrog's axe blade had split open the Firebelly's gutplate, deep into its flesh. It let out a cry of pain but Snagrog swung and swung again, each blow causing terrible wounds. It was over as the Firebelly fell into a bloody heap, its body mangled (5 wounds!). The leadbelchers fell back, only for Snagrog's big uns to pursue. The Leadbelcher Champion shoved his way forward to face the Orc boss, only to have its skull split open as Snagrog's axe bire into its fkesh and bone (4 wounds!).
>>98623726GW hasn't mentioned any breakthrough in the chinese market so I assume appealing to the chinese hasn't resulted in the chinese suddenly buying the shit.
>>98623783The battle was over. The Tyrant, had finally killed the last troll. Standing among a pile of the dead, the Ironguts, bkack orcs abd trolls, only he remained standing.Snagrog had the leadbelchers cornered, Grotfang's boars flanking them. What few were left, fled the field, the Tyrant too not far behind. Snagrog ordered his ladz to start looting. "What bout da humies in da big house boss?"Snagrog cuffed the big un, knocking it to the floor, grunting."Naw, da fight aint in dese humies. Besides...we got lootin ter do. Take what you can and get movin. Dem ogres runnin, we will follow, cause where dey go, we will find more to fight!"A minor victory to the Orcs, WAAAGHHH!!!
>>98623788Well it's obviously not to market to China (though the tww3 one was absolutely to market to china), it's intended to sell to people who "would get into warhammer fantasy but it doesn't have enough non-white representation". China doesn't really care about being portrayed as nefarious in some way (so long as there are no skeletons), since TWW3 has a ton of tidbits about how cathay is like 1984 fantasy chink edition, they do trepanning (boring holes into skulls) en masse to solve chaos thoughts, have mandatory re-education every year, etc. None of that stopped them from being beloved by them. But, they don't play warhammer, if they buy plastic models it's Gundam (or knockoff gunam). But, they fear that liberals who want to get into the game would be offended if the first explicitly non-white faction were portrayed as being a mixed bag of morality!
>>98623835They hired a chinese sensitivity team.It absolutely was to market to china too.
>>98623680>>98623716>>98623748>>98623783Great writeup anon. Love the batrep. You should do an in universe lore type writeup for it!
>>98623835>>98623841Its whatever. TWW3 was made to be utopian until they added a bunch of flavor text to explain they have problems too, more serious or funny but about empire tier. Like the monkey king fucking around for a bit and sometimes the siblings starting exceptionally stupid wars, and other things.Then TT Cathay came out and so far has stuck with the utopian theme.
>>98624053The TW Cathay was more varied from the start. They had writeups pre monkey king about the rogue alchemists in the warpstone desert. The implied use and abuse of warpstone across Zhaos territory, cults of Tchian Chi ( Tzeentch ) being a regular occurrence, peasant rebellions etc. The GW implementation has been fully utopian so far but it’s only Miao that’s been put in lore wise so far
Even the total war rendition of Cathay sounds boring as fuck.
>>98623841Absolutely crazy that we live in the timeline where WHFB is the wokest, most communist pandering Warhammer setting when Age of Smegmar and 40gay exist.
>>98624162>Absolutely crazy that we live in the timeline where WHFB is the wokest, most communist pandering Warhammer setting when Age of Smegmar and 40gay exist.Because they hired a historical sensitivity team? Dude, look at the Bretonnian and Empire webstore assuming this isn't a troll like it probably is. There isn't a single miniature painted black for the sake of diversity like in 40k or especially AoS (40k you can justify it in a lot of cases). All the men of the Empire are painted white on the webstore, all the Brets are painted white on the webstore. All the Cathayans are painted in various Chinese skin tones.TOW is the least woke/pandering setting we have. There still is some of course, with the heavily pushed female representation among common soldiers/peasants in Cathay. But it's by far the least woke/communist pandering (whatever that means concretely) of the settings.
>>98624188He won't engage in your reasoning. He will post the mashup of warcom Cathay articles and warhammer community pics and WHRP art of black people. Perhaps he will even post the Nuln studio army with the black Sigmarite priest. But he won't engage in the content of what you are saying because he is a troll.
>>98624188>painted white on the webstore>oainted Those aren’t painted, they’re photoshopped. They have no reason to paint models they already had painted years ago when they were on Aos.
>>98624208I am glad you brought up that point, because all the brand new WoC who are meant to be Norscan Vikings are 100% white as well. So your point doesn't hold water, I assume you'll agree if you argue in good faith, but I have seen your photoshop take before so I think you're probably the troll.
>>98624220>everyone is the same person if I don’t like them Get meds, besides there is a swarthoid, he’s simply in the back.
>>98624241There it is lmao. I didn't think you were arguing in good faith, thanks for exposing yourself.
>cathay editionI just finished my first Cathay mini. Should I continue on with the rest of the unit of jade warriors, or try painting a chaos warrior from the other half of the core set?Also should I build the banner guy/drummer/jade officer in the second set or just make those into regular warriors?
>>98624245For my own selfish reasons I think you should paint a Chaos Warriors. Mostly because I want to see what you can do with it. What colors are you thinking?
>>98624245You know if you paint them black they would look…distasteful with the cavemen hairstyle.
>>98623738WoC or cathay. get some new models. beastmen and orcs have some dated doofy kits, and beastmen are too boring to paint. okay so i paint some light brown here, and there i paint some dark brown, get some tan for the horns, and maybe another brown for the leather. zzzzzz. that armies color pallet sucks unless you go really out of your way to paint them unnatural colors, but since most of the models are wearing little to no armor, there just isnt much to color other than fur, bone, horns, and skin. on the plus side i guess its easy to paint at least. orc models are also phenomenally boring and mundane except the black orcs, so unless you plan to run mostly black orcs and night goblins/wolf riders (cause the goblins get to dip into the aos updated range which is very good), then orcs can be really dull. but if im gonna be dropping cold hard cash i'd rather get something a little more exciting
>>98623738If I were you I would go Orcs, no one can have a bad time playing orcs.
>>98624188>All the men of the Empire are painted white on the webstore>Checkmate atheists. I am being retarded on purpose. Just to clarify.
>>98624248I was thinking a classic steel with some silver and gold in the mix as well. Maybe some splashes of red but not too much.
>>98624262>>98623738as an addendum to the orcs though, i've seen some people converting the new 40k ork boyz into fantasy ork boyz by replacing the gun hands with shields and removing the scifi bits, and then you actually get some good looking boyz, but that would be a lot of work across a whole army
>>98624276When I eventually get mine I was thinking doing like a classic Red/Gold or Bronze for a Khorne Berzerker type look. I think they would pop really nicely. Like a dark red with a gold maybe.
>>98624276although maybe I will do another color than red just to not have so much red on the table
>>98624245Looks cool. Would go with Jade warriors next since you're already on the champion and know the palette.
>>98624284you know, I don't think that would take a real lot of time to do for boys. You only need 30-50 regular boys anyway. Biguns maybe, but I can't think of good Black orc conversions off the top of my head, nor anything goblin cav.
>>98624126One of the big TWW cathay problems, that the tabletop fluff also shows the struggle with, is that they have barely any neighbours to have a dynamic with. Ind and Khuresh are just plain on the map. The ogres are often friendly with them and the only real threat is chaos, which they have a giant fuckoff wall for. There's dark elves across the ocean but that's about it. The lack of named characters being relevant there is highlighted by the fact they had to move a ton of lords from the actual setting to go there, but that's an exceptional time, and normally there's just no threats of beastmen or dark elves or orcs or anything. It sucks
>>98624284those look really good desuI'm sad I missed out on the kev adams orc mto, though. Those are some of my favorite orc sculpts
>>98624320its mostly the gap filling. when you leave off the guns, the lack of gun strap leaves kind of a gap in some spots, plus leaving off the grenade satchels also leaves some small holes too.but there are some poses that are weilding just a machine gun in two hands, and that would be much harder to fix i think, but from what i remember there's only like 2/10 that are like that, so not the worst ratio. might still be some of the 11th launch box boyz floating around cheap, but the 40k crowd is ravenous so idk how long thats going to be the case.
>>98624320also i think the black orcs and boar riders hold up waaaaaay better than the regular boyz, so i dont really think you'd even need to replace those ones, those kits look decent. its just the unarmored boyz on foot that are rough. and also the chariot i guess, that thing could use a new crew. i'd also want to jimmy a warboss out of the new ork warboss kit, that guys sick. looks like theres enough alternate bits that you can get him almost completely devoid of scifi bits too. not that the new bigboss for the old world isnt good, he is, but i mean come on, look at this guy. i wouldnt be able to turn it down.
>>98624465Oh, yeah I'll completely agree with you there then. As for the holes in the boys from the missing things, easy to cover up with quivers or such to turn them into janky arrer boys. The bows are harder with that tho.
>>98624244>sir nigavius and damsel ramjeeta are GOOD things, actually!kys
>>98624041Thanks anon. It was late but can try an in universe blurb on the chaotic mess sometime. Still need to get the font and such.
>>98624681>Still need to get the font and such.Caslon Antique, thank me later
Have any of you guys ever used MESBG miniatures in warhammer fantasy? If so how did they scale/rank up?I've been thinking of getting some Harad minis to use for an Araby regiment in my Renegade Crowns. They're pretty cheap second hand online too.
>>98624824They're not the same scale and will look small beside WH minis. It's up to you to decide if that's a problem.
>>98623835>so long as there are no skeletonsThey don't really care about skeletons anymore; pic is from an upcoming Chinese-made game
>>98624241>damsel laqueesha
>>98624241
>>98625082Apparently the disney film Coco got them to change their mind about those depictions.
>>98625189I believe you.
>>98624824Get fireforge games Berbers instead. For cavalry you can get victrix islamic cavalry or fireforge games byzantines (cataphracts, koursores or horse archers). These models are chunkier and in 28mm scale.
>>98624193>he'll post the mashup of official company marketing materials and approved licensed game artwork, perhaps he will even post a concrete example of the thing you claim doesn't existSo he'll prove you utterly wrong with clear evidence?
Getting the new Chaos Champions kit, raided my bitzbox for Blight King and Nurgle Daemons parts and going to make a Champ on his way on the path to glory
>>98624824MESBG minis are in a much smaller scale, pic related.
Another one bites the dust.
>>98625668I am THIS sure that nigga was sold on foot once
>>98625690Very close iirc. But the foot tomb king had a glaive type weapon I think, and it was right side up opposite of this.
>>98625690>>98625693This one?
>>98625668So the TK are getting>Skeleton Warriors>Skeleton Chariots>Tomb King(new model?) on a chariot>Skeleton Horsemensometime in october or November maybe
Interestingly, the Ravening Hordes book is sold out online in Australia, but that might just be a digital cock up on their end rather than a refresh of that book.
>>98625754FoF is also sold out there
>>98625754>>98625760My schizo brain tells me this means Army Books are coming back and Tomb Kings will be the first.
>>98625663cute gnome
>>98625768I would welcome Army Books. The current split is a bit awkward.
>>98625768Considering the recent books for Necromunda and the fact that the AJs are not SOO in Australia, I kinda doubt we are going to back army books.SDS likes the journal format
Mark my words, TOW 2nd edition will happen next January. Just like the other settings it'll be released in 3-year cycles, and this time Kislev de-Russified will get the initial spotlight.
Do we know if anyone has managed to get Pestigors lined up?
>>98623620Did GW stop selling the old world Chaos warriors? The ones who basically are monoposed.
>>98625976>The ones who basically are monoposed.those are the current ones, if you are talking about the ones with actual weapon options and could rank up without issue, than yes, those are gone.
>>98625983Yeah I mean these
I did some art for other board and want to share. Here is a two friends happy vomiting. Nurgling jumping around like a puppy. They are all happy and having fun
>>98625747I wish tomb kings had heavy cavalry, I know it doesn't fit the ancient Egypt theme, but the dynasties were around for thousands of years, so there might've been some advancement in military technology during that time.
>>98626023Theyre called necropolis knights.
>>98626023>I wish tomb kings had heavy cavalryHere you go bro
>>98625988I really wish these had really stuck around. I love their helmet design soooo much. I was even gonna buy some of them to use the skull masks they had for an empire of morr army with knights using those heads. Meanwhile with the new kit we're stuck with whatever these absolute jokes of buckets they call helms are. Oh well, that empire army will just be null. >>98626023>so there might've been some advancement in military technology during that time.Maybe if cathayans taught them about it.
>>98626035>>98626038That's akcshually monstrous cavalry, but I get your point. Wish they didn't have such massive bases though.
>>98626040>I really wish these had really stuck around.Oh so they are gone then, thanks for confirming. I don't like the new ones either.
>>98626040You had like 20 years anon, come on
>>98626072GW axes kits without any warning.
>>98626077You knew the new warriors were coming, the new warriors got big reveals and previews. Now they are here. What more warning did you need?
>>98626004Cool, I think it's the first time someone is appreciating the maggoth lords what do they say in the other boards?
>>986260776th ed kit came out in 2002
>>98626023Rules wise skeleton horsemen are uniquely 25x50 heavy cav. But i know that's not what you mean/want.I personally like the light chariots fulfilling that role though. It feels very Egyptian to me and is a nice look on the table.
>>98626044>Wish they didn't have such massive bases though.They still barely fit on them
>>98626081I didn't I've been busy the chaos release slipped under my radar. Hence why i asked in the first place. Oh well.
>>98626096Well tough shit, you had 20 years.
>>98626077You were warned, we had rumors.
>>98626102>>98626103I'll live.
>>98626102Raped mindset
>>98626122The raped are people crying that decades of inaction eventually caught up with them.
>>98626130Nobody is crying. You seem to be vastly more upset here than anyone else involved.
>>98625930>TOW 2nd edition will happen next JanuaryThey wouldn't print a big hardback book with a 6-month shelf life
>>98626023>I wish tomb kings had heavy cavalryI hear this relatively often but other than myself I never hear anyone say they wish vampire counts had light cavalry. I just wanna field some low level skellies on horses man
>>98626201>>98626023>Give something x Just because I wun id : ( This is how you ruin an armies identity like dwarves with their helicopters. >>98626201Also FUCK OFF you have dire wolves already just get prints of them being skeletons or something You also have the option of NON-BARBED HORSEMEN you illiterate.
>>98626023>>98626044The more historically themed armies don't generally get both heavy cav and chariots, its one or the other. Once you have heavy cav, chariots are a bit redundant.
>>98626302That's a good point.
>>98626213I think it would be neat if tomb kings had mummified royal hounds as warhounds
>>98626308Hence no chariots in cathay, empire, brets, but elves and chaos get both because they're ahistorical anyway
>>98626312Pulp Ancient Egypt isn't really identified with dogs though, only cats
>>98626318Jackals anon.
>>98626319Those weren't tamed.Historical Egypt had dogs but fantasy pulp interpretations of it, like Stygia from Conan or the Mummy films, don't really focus on them.
>>98626004Very disgusting (cool)
Is it worth taking more than one unit of warriors with all the options dwarfs have? You can fill enough of the core slots with rangers and thunderers and then invest in the good infantry and cannons.
>>98626040That kit is still readily available from second-hand websites and, most likely, your LGS. People will be trying to offload their old kits now that there's a new version. Pity those fools. Pity them, but take advantage of their foolishness and get you some 2004 chaos warriors. Just know that I will be disapproving of you for not preferring the truly supreme plastic chaos warrior kit from 1997.
>>98626361Not really. I wouldn’t even take warriors id take Longbeards honestly.
I want to start tomb kings and Sepuchural Stalkers are my favorite unit aesthetically. How do I make them work?
I think the new AoS ogres would make for a good TOW ogre force. Just a bunch of fat guys looking for stuff to eat. Except for the tyrant and the butcher, I’d have to find old metal or resin models of them.
>>98626419Yeah I agree. The new basic ogres look fantastic. But idk what they were thinking with all the characters. The characters look like shit. Except for the generic tyrant on that new big monster thing he looks alright.
I did not post this one yet but if anyone interested people request me to draw this one too. I tried to give this one a different heads both normal and more disgusting
>>98626426Properly hellish anon, looks very cool.
>>98626213Jesus Christ dude you need to calm down, getting this pressed over a comment. Also skeleton cavalry was a thing in 4th edition so there is precedent. But I wouldn't expect you to know that, since your hobby appears to be getting irate on the internet rather than actual Warhammer.
>>98626439Thank you, I dont want to spam my crap just will post last one. I did art for the more obscure creature
>>98626424The butcher is especially bad imo. Good thing eBay is full of old ones lol.
>>98626426That's really neat. I was hoping it'd be an official unit for total war.
>>98626470Dope. It's definitely not spam. You're posting your own on topic art. That's the opposite of spam that's effort posting.
>>98626492There's a mod for it.
>>98626470>>98626426Very cool anon, thanks for posting.
Some older art, a flying rat
>>98626375>a block of 20 longbeards with all upgrades (but before runes) is only 63 more points than the same block of warriors with all upgradesWhat a joke. They need to do something but I'm not sure if one should get more expensive or the other cheaper.
>>98626522Ohh I like that a lot, the concept too. You should draw a Tomb King construct like the Ushabti or Sepulchural Stalkers, id love to see them in your style.
>>98626522Doesn't read like a rat much to me, but each finger developing into a hand is an ingenious design, maybe not best for this one thing specifically, but I'm saving the idea
>>98626554Yeah that's true. But if you already have warriors you can just run them as Longbeards. There is no chance anyone will complain, as long as you don't have any other units of warriors being ran as warriors in your army (to avoid confusion)
>>98626570Minis are not the problem here.
>>98626130Eat some raw carrots, drama queen.
Can anyone identify the kits used in this diorama?
>>98626602>forgot pictureFugg
>>98626151They would definitely release a new edition 6 months after releasing a revised version of a previously existing hardback book; especially when said revisions can also be accessed online.
>>98614045>There was a description in one of the WD's I believe that described the difference between how magic is harnessed between the two settings. does anyone have a pic of that ?
>>98626312Bastheti.
Do you think army books are ever coming back or are we stuck with perodic arcane journals forever?
>>98626609Have you checked the guy's Instagram?He might have a list of kits he used only ones i can figure out are the high elf horse is a modified Ellyrian Reavers horse and the Cold ones is an AoS lizerdmen mount agein heavily moddified
>>98626609>high elfHead is from prince althran (prince on griffon), horse is from an ellyrian reaver with some extra armor (dragon prince kit?). Cant tell the shield, but the sword might also be a dragon prince. Armor seems to be too, at least the greaves. >dark elfSword is from the dreadlord on dragonSpearman shield Converted AoS lizard mount (the new big cold ones (raptadons?))Cold one knight legs and body. Head is probably also from the dreadlord kit.
>>98626643I don't think they will come back in the near future, but saying never is also nonsensical. GW will increase product output heavily over the next few years due to doubling their production capabilities. With that will come changes to how they handle existing product lines.
>>98626576Oh I see. That's also fair. I have never looked at dwarfs too closely so ill take your word for it.
>>98626609Most of the high elf seems to be from the high elf lords kit, I can identify the legs,the torso, and the shield. I think the little dragon head mounted on the horse's head and the barding come from that kit as well.
>>98626609It looks very much resculpted in lots of places
>>98626643the journal format aligns better with the pace of releases they've set up, and the combined books with multiple armies in it encourage buying more and mixing and matching units from different armies through allies, armies of infamy or just units that exist in multiple listsBut with the addition of cathay and soon kislev the good side of the armies is very overwhelming compared to the evil one, and the journal format is soon getting to ridiculous levels of bookkeepingsso they might start doing armybooks followed by one big book of chronicles for past journal shenanigans of all armies, followed by the next set of journals as new releases unfold.but that wouldn't happen until 2nd edition.
>>98626650>>98626609Thanks!I did find his insta and he does list out every kit which is really cool. It looks like it took a lot of custom sculpting. Here's what he said:99% of the sculpting is done with Milliput. I tested Tamiya Quick as well - the product does exactly what it is supposed to, but the drying time is actually... too quick for me High Elf- body, shield, saddle: high elf lord (TOW)- arms and sword: vanari bladelords (AOS)- shoulder pads: swordmasters of hoeth (TOW - not visible on this photo)- helmet: prince on griffon (Island of Blood box) + high elf lord (TOW)- scabbard: vanari lord regent (AOS)Horse- body: brand's oathbound (AOS)- head: freeguild cavalier-marshal (AOS), high elf lord for the dragon (TOW - not visible on this photo)- scale mail: high elf lord (TOW)- breast armor: high elf lord cape (TOW)- wings: Azrael (40k)Dark Elf- dreadlord on black dragon* (AOS)Cold One- body: aggradons lancers (AOS)- « spine » armor plates: cold one knights* (AOS). Each plate is actually a full cold one breast plate (shows how much smaller they were … )- shin armor: dark elves executioners* (AOS)- metals horns and forehead plate: dreadlord on black dragon* (AOS)
>>98626643I dont know. If they came back it would have to be in a new edition. The journal format leads to less exciting releases, but its also less feast and famine as multiple factions can get incremental updates, instead of one faction getting a lot, then another getting a lot, and so on. So I dont imagine its going away, the HH format is probably here to stay.
>>98626609https://www.instagram.com/p_m_miniatures/p/DWmWbSxEWC7/He made a list.
>>98626636sorry, wrong general, got things mixed up
>>98626560Did mostly from memory so it is not as accurate as can be
>>98626712>the journal format is soon getting to ridiculous levels of bookkeepingsIsn't this exactly what they did to Necromunda, though?
>>98624188There's official artwork with black and female State Troops
Does the Horned One upgrade that removes stupidity work on an entire unit if the hero is attached to it? I know that a non-stupid character attached to a unit with stupidity gains stupidity, but does it also work in reverse?
>>98626842No, because it only affects one models mount. Its for solo characters (so theyre more reliable and faster). >but does it also work in reverse?A stupid character joining a unit? Yes. A non-stupid character does not cure a units stupidity however.
>Skeleton Warriors already gone from the UK store>still available in the US storeLast chance for us Burger Bros I suppose lmao.
>>98626819That's sick
>>98626855Thank you Anon, that makes plenty of sense now.
>>98626842>horned ones are very rare>extremely common magic itemI understand the reasoning and it does make sense (obviously an entire species of cold one is common enough to be taken loads of times, as opposed to actual magic items, which are unique), but the wording is funny.
>>98626859UK can still get the TK on a Chariot if they want though
>>98626688No what I mean I'd prefer if Warriors were more useful since they have basically no niche.
>>98626819Did you just do this now? After the request? You’re quite talented
>>98626957Yes but I dont like my art it is messy as fuck. But here is a second part of the first picture
>>98626745Fucking lunatic
>>98626981That's a pretty small amount of bits for a Golden demon diorama
>>98626964Neat, think you can do anything beastmen related? it's cool if not.
>>98626964You should draw warhammer smut.
>>98626522
>>98626997I did a lot of beastmen but dont have them saved. Beastmen are one of my very fav factions. They are just a bunch of self-destructive morons. Anyway found a Gorger
My Lahmian Vampire Counts list is nearing completion but I need ONE more unit pick to round out the roster. I don't like any of the non infantry models though, something about the undead cavalry/monster options is leaving me cold aesthetically. I like putting together vampire characters but I'm at my hero limit already. Coven Throne feels natural for Lahmians but I just can't stand the model - it looks untransportable and so very fiddly. So I thought about buying some of those AoS ghouls-riding-bats and converting them to have the riders be vampires instead. Run them as Vargheists. But the bat models are a bit cartoony with their skeletal wings and they have generally weird proportions. Could always just do direwolves and bat swarms using cheapo Reaper miniatures but that feels like admitting defeat in some small way. This whole enterprise just started as an excuse to paint all the Evil Lady miniatures I'd been amassing.
>>98627081black couch?
>>98626201Just play WAP
>>98627084Lahmians don’t need any more blacked couches than they already have.
>>98627084?
>>98627119Meant coach; don't know why I typed couch
>>98626522>>98627035
>>98626361Warriors are a militia tier unit. They are like conscript, you dont actually want to use them if you dont have to. Longbeards are your actual line infantry. That said taking 80 dwarf warriors in a single unit sounds fun and fluffy.
>>98627084Hey, nice idea actually. Carmilla, the book which Lahmian lore pulls from, has the title vampiress riding in a stagecoach at the start of the story so there's some threads I could pull on there maybe... Just need to find a model since I don't think GW is selling it anymore. Thanks anon!>>98627097As time elapses, I find myself slowly admitting that I kind of like alternative rulesets. With the original lore, of course! Like it's not a deep ruleset but I can reliably get the local boomers to play OPR regiments with me, and you can field units without rules/weird conversions (like the tomb kings light/heavy cavalry split that anon mentioned) in-system since the rules are so permissive. But then the lack of classic Warhammerisms in the rules bums me out and I go back to GW.
Any good examples of Skaven being comedic to the enemies in universe to the point that they know these guys are that evil enemies but they can actually find it funny?
fuaaaark if Tombies are getting a refresh I think I need to buy up all the classic models before they go. There goes my wallet.
>>98627143They sell an AoS Black Coach, but rather overdesigned
>>98627119
>>98627248Fuck.I love casting spells.
Bottlefeeding beastman calves as an (possibly former) Imperial noble.
>>98627169>shoulduh oh spooky
So if tomb kings are getting a refresh, who goes in the combo box with them?
>>98627187>150 burger bucksIt's pretty but at that price this kit better have sex with me. For that money you could get the zombie dragon they're selling, even within the same army range. You could get two.
>>98627382They are probably getting their own box but rumors a long time ago said WE but that was before we knew about the Core Set.
>>98627382Wood elves that has been the rumour
>>98627143Yeah the streamliners lose some of the funny and interesting things like scatter dice, misfires, miscasts, charge reactions and morale.
Can mono-Nurgle WoC be done effectively?Also, can someone explain the difference that Battlemarch has outside of just being a smaller point value?
>>98627488Define effectively. The mark of Nurgle does something. It's arguably the most effective way to do what it does. Fleshy Abundance is a good spell.
>>98627097I play renaissance as it happens, never tried WAP though I hear it's good. TOW is a nice ruleset though with a surprising amount of good expansion content coming out, and they don't seem averse to adding the odd reasonable unit here and there, so would be nice to see skeleton cav (and a few other old units) at some point.
>>98627682Can we get a peasant riding a snail? While being extra french?
>>98626419I don't know; the AoS characters look like complete ass to me. Something about them looks cartoony.I guess you get what you get when females start running things.
>>98627488nurgle seems like the best chaos mark as far as i can tellbattlemarch is smaller, but it also has some bonus narrative rules and escalation rules in the battlemarch document for starting very small like 400pts, and then expanding up to 750 as you go. it kind of functions as both a small game format and as a narrative skrimish campaign depending on how you want to do it, although you can just go right to the 750 battles if you just want some small format battles. battlemarch also has some extra restrictions on unit choices and points per unit to keep things from getting out of hand so somebody doesnt bring a 500pt dragon and just roflstomp little timmys 10 man orc squads with an 70pt orc boss or something
>>98627883>aos models look cartoony>meanwhile the model it replacedlol. lmao
>>98627761
>>98627906I really didn’t like this or skraag. Finecast was horrible to ogres in general with them.
>>98627907perfection
>>98627488>Can mono-Nurgle WoC be done effectively?Sure. Marks are currently bad and you dont want to take them, but theyre also so inconsequential that you can make up for the 5% lower efficiency with good overall choices and play.
>>98627899>nurgle seems like the best chaos mark as far as i can tellLolno, its terrible. 2ppm for, on average, a 1/12 increased durability per hit (in melee), its borderline "does nothing". It however becomes pretty good when you are hit on 5s.
you dont even chaos warriors to begin with. The only thing that can take Marks of Chaos that you probably want are chaos knights (not chosen knights anymore), greater chaos spawn, and uh, your lord probably, although undivided is still the best best imo for them.
>>98627906What an ugly model holy shit>>98627910Agreed. Don't even like the new butcher either, maybe I just hate butchers in general. Do I do like the new named aos fatass on his scooter. Is he a butcher?
>Thought I had a game tomorrow, guess something changed. More time to work on my minis I suppose.Time to haul this rock back I suppose, it's just dead weight without anyone to get angry over me nicking it.
Are giants worth bringing in an orc and gobbo army? Think it could be neat for a 1500 warband but curious how good they are.
>>98627978If you think one is fun to bring then bring one! I can't tell for Orcs and gobbos but I met a Giant in a warriors of chaos army and it wrecked my gors to shreds. Allowing his more elite units to handle my own elites and monsters.
>>98627959you might just not like ogres. there are things you can say about the new ogre refresh for aos, but it is definitely much less cartoony than what came before. its a far darker and more serious take on ogres.
>>98627986I am already using trolls, but thought a Giant could be a good way to draw fire from the rest of ny army too. Thanks man!
>>98627986>>98628020giants are kind of like melee artillery. they're pretty random, but when they work, they really work. also 6 wounds at t6 aint bad if they're nowhere near something that has a special monster killing special rule or high Str
>>98628045>t6T7 now ;)as of the most recent faq I think
>>98628088kinda weird that these two models have pretty much identical stat lines
>>98627883The characters are overblown sure, but you can get a perfectly serviceable Butcher or two out of the Cleavers unit(bonus points if you can persuade a local Sigpiggy to split the box with you allowing you to discard the female mini without losing any money), and the Tyrant with a couple of tweaks makes for a decent unit leader for the Ironguts(which neatly takes them to four models to form a full rank in 6th edition). The rest of the characters are overblown nonsense that don't belong in WHFB anyway, while the infantry are all a straight upgrade and mostly rank up fine on squares. Mawtribes army set, extra couple of boxes of Gluttons, and a box of Cleavers will get you a solid Ogre army with a little converting to turn the leftovers Gluttons into Maneaters.
>>98628119Man cathay really is just a mistake.
>>98628009They're cartoony, just in a different way.
>>98627883It's just the head. It's a good thing that the model comes with a hood variety that looks significantly better.
>>98628119Man, I never realised just how tall those Bonegrinder bastards actually were.
My friend from the LGS is moving and decided to give away all his unbuilt stuff. He knows I enjoy playing his Lizardmen army and is giving me all his unbuilt kits. Are Saurus Warriors on 20 or 25mm squares?
>>98628280Just put them on 30s
>>98626522Just copy the therapusmodax from 2005's King Kong.
>>98628291I plan on basing for WHFB and using trays for TOW so I can play whatever edition I want.
>>98627883>>98628197God damn this looks great. Pudge Dota 2 vibes. I wonder where I should source a hook from.
>>98628280They're on 30mm.Also, good for you mate, nice.
>>98628321Thank you, Anon. He has to move back out West to take care of his folks and in his words "wanted to spread a little joy" before he went. He gave out tons of free stuff and donated all his Napoleonic stuff to the local club.
I HATE TWO HANDED WEAPONS SO MUCH
would stuff like flails and axes be good enough to represent great weapons even though they're still visually one handed.
>>98628280warriors were never on 20mm, only 25mm and now 30skinks were on 20mm
>>98628337What happened?
>>98628365nothing just pita for me to construct properly. I'm making 20 hand weapon jade warriors and 10 halberds, counting champs/bearers/tooters. I always hated constructing anything that two handed uses a weapon and isn't a easy clean fit.
>>98628382Oh right. Yeah I got a friend who still has not finished making his cathay army because apparently putting them together is hard.
>>98628388It's not hard, it's just fucking tedious.
>>98628388Some parts are easy and some parts are hard. Almost everything involving the arms has sucked and moreso with the halberds. Will see how the rest of this goes since I have both the battalion and reinforcement set.
Is a Giant at 1k points considered a bit overkill or pushing things beyond casual level?
>>98628407Depends on who you talk to, to play it but many are probably going to give you the stink eye without prior discussion.
>>98628414Ok. I established with an upcoming opponent I am aiming for a casual game but just bought a giant and thought I'd bring him. If that is pushing boundaries, I will witthold and just bring more trolls.
>>98628420Yeah I would either bring it by him or don't just surprise it on him. It's the same case when people bring Knights in 40k or Giants in AoS, although AoS handles big units a bit better in terms of not needing to prep as much for them. No idea if giants are meta currently in TOW but people have had a bit of fun with their Meows and Chaos Dragons lately, but just run it by them so not a super shock.
>>98628348Btw this is for Bret’s, trying to figure out how to kitbash them (knights errant into questing knights) with great weapons but I’m not getting much ideas for the drafting board.
>>98628009Not that anon, but I think that’s one of the understated criticisms of AoS is that they make things too serious even at the expense of a richer world. Man Eaters can be very silly, but they’re another layer to the nomadic nature of Ogres, and make them less one note as brutish cannibals, showing them assimilating in a wide variety of cultures. I think the AoS refresh looks great on a technical level, but making their new lore centered on an internal civil war and involved characters shrinks the Ogre’s world and makes it less exciting.
For the Obsidian Blades rule, if I take Saurus Warriors and upgrade them with Thrusting Spears and shields, do the Hand Weapons they apparently default have(?) due to the rule change count as having the AP -1 if I choose to use hand weapon and shield?
>>98628813Yes.
>>98627754A fellow renaissance connoisseur!What army do you play?
>>98628845Thanks Anon. I appreciate everyone here being willing to answer questions from a newb.
>>98627907>Turnip28.jpg
>>98628009I agree with you, I just think all the butchers specifically look like shit>>98628707>one of the criticisms of AoS is that they take things too seriousI usually hear the opposite As for ogres, I think it was a pretty good refresh, though the characters specifically were very toned down, too much so (except for redd who is cool). Another criticism of aos you don't hear much I suppose.Apparently next edition is supposed to come with new maneaters (possibly merged with leadbelchers like the character is)
I dont like the karl franz mini. There I said it. The mount is too big for my tastes, in fact it feels like the rider is hardly even able to be noticed, which is a shame because I love the wizard it can ave.
>>98623620Im sure I'll get this model just in time for 2e where they add Skaven back as a core faction.
>>98627978The natural predator of giants is the cannon.At 1500 points you will probably face less cannon.Therefore a giant is pretty alright. They're a lot of fun too.
>>98627143>>98627084Played with my bits box a little bit to see if inspiration struck... Nothing glued yet. This old Magewrath throne piece is a nice component (maybe it's a Coven Throne after all?) but its also silly-tier enormous. Love the skulls and batwings though. Not sure how I'd even begin to convert a proper "stagecoach" style coach if I go that direction instead.
>>98628882>I usually hear the oppositeI think it’s something people say without thinking about, or they mistake the more high fantasy look for being less serious cause serious fantasy is determined by how much grime you’re covered in according to some people. I don’t think there’s a single model in the Fyre Slayers or Khadron Overlords that approaches the silliness of Bugman’s Cart.
>>98628197Peter Petigrew lookin ass
>>98628280the extra space the 30mm bases give is much better.
Why don’t saurus have weapon options
>>98628310>I plan on basing for WHFB and using trays for TOW so I can play whatever edition I wantBased and adapter-trayed.They go on 25mm: https://6th.whfb.app/army/lizardmen#base-sizes
>>98629378Cheers, thanks.
>>98628918How about using it as a base for a Norscan General „ Jarl Franz „
>>98628986Used to be within 180 days. Even MTO lead times are being enshittified. The last MTO I received was the MTO chaos sorc and that took 5 months
Why do brigands only have options to take blunderbusses but not muskets? Anyways are the options for them traps? How often will impetous ever fuck me over?
>Went to look at Cathay prices outside of the Battalions/reinforcements>$90+ for most of the units!Ai curumba!
>>98630073heres hoping we get christmas boxes.
>>98629323Looks like a mix of tomb kings scarab, dwarf machine and rat
>>98628853A man of culture! Orcs and goblins, how about yourself? Admittedly I've played far less of it than I'd like, since it's a niche within a niche. Hoping to have a second 500 point army painted up by the end of the year for some solo games, probably high elves or empire.
>>98629740>MTO chaos sorc and that took 5 monthsHave you considered not ordering an hour before MTO ends?
Which army plays the fastest
>>98630250No, I am famously indecisive. >>98630287In terms of on the board or turn time? Wood Elves, High Elves and Ogres are all very speedy armies
Thinking of starting a chaos army, I'm aware WoC units can be quite pricey and elite and end up taking up lots of points very quickly. How do you balance cool shit in your list against having more than 5 units on the table?
>>98630303>turn time?This one.
>>98630325Probably warriors of chaos, because you’re somewhat elite and have a simple game plan of advance and kill. Or once again potentially Ogres because you are very elite.
>78 bucks in 2024
>>98627883to be fair, the butcher unit has better TOW butchers than the butcher "character"
>>98630441It's 20 models, so twice the kits twice the price hikes!
>>98630441GWs price hikes have been getting a lot more aggressive since covid
>>98630325any army as long as you are avoiding things that take a long time to resolve or lots of skirmishers since you move them independently instead of as a block. stuff that takes a long time to resolve are like artillery, templates, big wizards, giants. stuff where the unit has entire pages just telling you how it does its thing
>>98630470>>98630464TOW is really noticeable though since it was initially "cheap for what it is" and then hiked a lot faster than the equivalent 40k or age of sigmar stuff.>you WILL pay 40k prices for 25 year old sculptsThey're like not getting the concept of TOW.
>>98628009ninjogre is cool though
>>98629227>I don’t think there’s a single model in the Fyre Slayers or Khadron Overlords that approaches the silliness of Bugman’s Cart.fyreslayers are just copypastes with no soul
>>98630479>They're like not getting the concept of TOW.The concept is reboxing the old shit they found in the corner of a warehouse and seeing how much you're willing to pay for it.
>>98630479its pretty noticable in aos too. the kharadron start collecting from like 2018 was $75, and the new $150 spearhead has the same models
>>98630479The old models are just temporary holdovers. They will replace everything given enough time
Map of the Salzenmund Castle from the writer of that WFRP book>https://awesomeliesblog.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/salzenmund-castle.pdf
>>98630489That's only because you don't know about their tasteful vietnamese design cues. Once you do your eyes will be opened.>>98630502Ah you see but the new box has an Endrin-Master in dirigible suit ($43) whereas the old one only has an Arkanaut Admiral ($35) instead! This obviously justifies doubling the price on this box :) and replacing the much better older spearhead which came with a frigate
>>98630531Ah, another opportunity to raise the price.
>>98630569Are you implying that the business model should be to eternally sell the same 20ish year old sculpts at the same price year on year?
>>98630441>>98630479Remember that there's another price hike coming this month and these guys are going from £54.50 to £57 lol
>>98630561>Sergeant Astrid
>>98630502Ah the days when this start collecting was cheaper than the lizard on its own
>>98630479>They're like not getting the concept of TOW.No anon, they don't get the concept, they decide the concept. And contrary to what your inner five year old thinks and demands the concept was never to provide you with the toys you crave at cheaper prices than their regular lines.
>>98630591I don't think it's very controversial to say that GW's prices are slightly inflated.
>>98630603They are still way cheaper than their regular lines. 40k is easily 2x as expensive per 2000 point army compared to tow on average
>>98630612Is it? When you need a lot more models for a TOW army, and some of them aren't even available normally?
>>98630615>twice as many models for a tow army You haven’t looked at 40k closely for at least 6-8 years
I recently got a small bookcase for my heavy hardbacks, but now I have a couple shelves free and want to use them to display some minis and maybe some terrain.Is it essential to get some sort of clear display case to prevent dust from ruining them?
>>98630711Its not essential but yeah its good practice. Either a clear case or keep them stowed away. Even blasting minis with air won’t remove 100% of the dust usually
>>98630479And this is why the only army I'll have is ogres. I can't justify spending enough to make a full army of something like elves or cathay, especially if the plastic is 2 decades old.
>>98630320Normally there is two approaches but the general principal is mixing expensive, utter murder units with uber monsters and a sprinkle of cheap marauders.>go hard metaUtter cutthroat and go with the optimal choices. Marauders for anvil, dragon ogres, chaos knights/chosen knights, giant chaos spawn and a lord/champion on dragon or steed. Throw in a sorcerer and you're good. >mix of comp meta and flavourI cannot speak for now but the amount of points you out into standard Chaos Warriors was inversely proportional to your chance of winning i.e more warriors, more chance of losing.You can mix a unit of them in for flavour and make up for it with meta choices but there are a few traps when making WoC. Off the top of my head, your best choices are:- Chaos Knights/Chosen Knights- Giant Chaos Spawn- Dragon Mounted Champion- Sorcerer- Dragon Ogres- Warhounds to screen important units- Marauder Horsemen- Semi viable but Marauder bricks on foot
>>98626991the only insane thing is that every armor plate on the spine of the cold one is actually the chestplate of an old cold one kit...
>>98629297Because their models didnt have them (they had spears or hand weapons, thats it), which is reasonably in line for most infantry frankly. Chaos warriors are the exception. If you want an in universe reason? Because saurus are super samey on purpose, theyre not mindless but theyre one track, designed as expendable and interchangeable peons, which is why simple weapons designed for ranked formations and uniformity are their goto. Balance reasons? The lizardman army has very clearly defined roles and niches between all of its units. Fast and cheap skinks that dont hit very hard, durable but slow saurus, expensive and hard hitting monsters. Having saurus be super flexible could ruin that.
>>98630981Thanks anon, have a (you) and a complementary .jpg
>a wizard can spend one channeling dice to channel extra power>one>diceWho the fuck is writing those books
Are daemon princes due for a base size increase?
Kislev
>>98631406no
>>98630621I've got friends who play and all of them have like 30-40% of my 2000 point orcs & goblins army's model count at best. And I don't even play goblin spam lists.
>>98630502The Pestilens one was good value too.>One screaming bell/plague furnace with extra bits for a grey seer or plague priest depending on what you're building >Twenty plague monks>One catapult or warp lightning cannon
>>98631406That doesn't look right
Cathay is getting a Warhammer + video next week, which will probably just be covering what's in the AJ, like the Beastmen one
>>98631682Probably the book too.
>>98631717The book isn't up for sale yet
>>98631682Nice. Maybe they have some new bits in it.
Could I pass off the rider for the old vampire dragon as a bretonian with just a head swap?
>>98631864no
>>98631876why not.
>>98630236I've been building up both a Chaos and Undead army. It's a slow grow project, partly because the army lists are so flexible that I just want to have a little bit of everything in mine. Likewise, I'd love to start even more armies, but time and money are always an issue.Sadly the community is extremely tiny, only a couple mates, as all the local stores are only interested in Old World, and even then it's a small niche next to 40k or AoS.
>>98631431Never ever
>>98631885the armour's type and style don't match with bretonnian's
>>98631916wouldnt that be fine for a hero?
>>98631927no
>>98630591Full disclaimer, I say this with no intention of baiting or getting anybody mad, but the Perry Bros have been doing mostly that for a long while and it's worked. Same goes for North Star. Hell, Metal mini companies like foundry have been at it for years, only hiking prices whenever the price of pewter starts to really eat into their profits.Miniatures are a luxury hobby, and for the most part aren't cheap either, but GW is 100% fucking over their customer base with their prices.Thankfully there are alternative proxies, 3d proonts and grogs like me with armies old enough to vote, we don't really need to pay those prices.
>>98631935Im gonna dew it
>>98630073>>98630081>post>go to sleep>wake up>see all the price related posts and videosZamn.
>>98631895Sounds good anon. The chaos army has so much customisation, I love it. The variety is one of the main draws for me too. That and the old magic spells, which the author seems to have massively fleshed out too. I love that a wizard can cast a swirling poisonous cloud that moves across the table and the opposing wizard can wind blast it back in his face, or a wizard can freeze a lake to allow his troops to cross and the enemy wizard can fireball it to thaw it out. So much fun. I think the only thing that I miss from the modern ruleset is the Give Ground/FBIGO stuff, but that could be easily houseruled in I'm sure. Nice to know there is another renaissance chad in the general though. Cheers!
>>98631431Soon.
>>98623738Viserys would have loved Warhammer Fantasy. Hell he already built a great Mordheim table.
>>98624363Dark Elves - Regular raidsChaos - Massive issuesOgres - will have battles on the frontier at timesChaos Dwarves - again not that far from the Cathayan frontier landsSkaven - Eshin known to be in the areaOrcs and Goblins - everywhereVampire Counts - Jade Blooded - although not in the VC list you can easily proxy themWood Elves - can easily make up a wood elf realm in CathayThat's at least half the factions you can make up battles with Cathay with.
>>98625768I wish Army books would come back, I hate the journal format. Give me a proper hardback 120 page book rather than 3 splat books.
>>98631945It's funny, I was just thinking back about how I used to go down to the local hobby store just to look at the Zombie Dragon / Terrorgheist kit they had on their shelf. GW is selling that same box decades later. Same price too. I still want one. GW players have been conditioned to expect a relatively quick turnaround cycle where armies are updated and refreshed every couple years, but for most manufacturers, even GW themselves, a good kit is basically immortal. Sculpts don't go stale as such, molds m deteriorate a bit over time but that's mitigatable. Decades-old models are often some of the best available, and still being actively manufactured. There's something that's almost morally admirable about that in a medium, that miniatures are "mature" enough for a Good One to exist forever instead of getting inevitably ousted by newer ones.
>>98632290The zombie dragon kit is like the worst fucking mounted character to actually paint and assemble what are you on about.
>>98632277There is a wood elf settlement in southern Cathay in TWW
>>98632277>>98632350Think that wood elf thing in TWW southeast Cathay was for gameplay elements but fuck it they made shit up, anon can also make his own up. Just finished the Dachala campaign there and it sucked but was neat exploring that part of Cathay.
>>98632377In a short story for TWW they mention "wild elves," so it might be something related to that
thoughts on chaos marauders with hand weapons and shields? I got 32 of the avatars of war ones (they look nicer with the other 5th edition models) and I was wondering if I should run them as one big block or as 2 units of 16.
>>98632388Short story? Where? like instruction booklet or lore trailer?
>>98632443It was released before the Dechala DLC; it was called Six Sacrifices
>>98624363>>98632277The thing is, the dark elves canonically have so much success raiding cathay (and ind, and the other eastern nations) that they almost gave up their blood feud with the high elves to just make it their full time gig. Dark elf raids there arent just "oh some ships go missing", theyre entire towns being taken, names erased by the map, either by the dark elves or the people looking to erase the memory of what the dark elves did there. This is of course also true of dark elf invasions in the old world, but it seems to be a much bigger issue in the east.
Whats the lowest Ward Rating a wizard in WHFRP can get? I could have e sworn there was a way to get something really low like Ward 3, but I cant find it anymore. I think it was a magic ring or maybe a spell or trait?
I wanted to grab some of the resin characters before they're gone (seems inevitable), but holy fuck they're overpriced. And no store discounts either since they're online only. I could start a new army and probably get pretty close to 2000 points with that money instead.
>>98631431>KisliyvFTFY
>>98632320Well I wouldn't know since I never actually bought it. But fair enough, maybe it's a poor example. Just to say how my younger self was wowed by the same model as my current self, fifteenish years removed and it still looks cool. That doesn't happen for all media, maybe music is also immortal but in general I do think that most commercial products inevitably show their age in a way that good models don't have to. Maybe take the metal Orc Shaman or the mini for Krell, perhaps? They're old as hell and drip with character, and there's nothing which modern technologies could really add to either figure.
>>98632840I admit I'm known as a bit of a curmudgeon but I really don't feel like most art or media has progressed in any meaningful way, at least positively, in the past 10-20 years. I guess you could say computer graphics have technically improved, though even those seem to be moving backwards lately.
The fuck?They're pushing Bretonnian foid-knights in TOWRPG too?
>>98632865I kinda wonder if her inclusion was forced on C7 by GW since her backstory unironically feels like a joke,
>>98632919What is it?
>>98632443https://files.catbox.moe/643xg7.pdf
>>98632802just get them from Chang, Ivan or Taras instead
>>98632840>>98632850The tech has advanced but the quality and creation doesn't match up with that. There's plenty of people who produce nice, print ready models on their own. AoS is a total shit show but it shows where quality can go, although it is wildly questionable if people care for the product or not (many people using the models as proxies in other games, vs shit no one will touch like Balloon Dwarfs and Mud Empire).Vidya, music, movies, novels, etc. Most of it took a nose dive in the last 10 years for some reason despite tech getting better. I'm not going to sit here and say why though, I just think no one is stopping or telling many peeps their shit is shit or companies are cutting corners too hard. It was funny seeing how TW:W3 actually regressed several times over because they couldn't figure out what the last guys did.
How autistic are bretonians about their gear Can they (knights in general I guess, who gives a shit about the peasants) loot gear from the battlefield? Or take some treasure from a dungeon? How do they get their armor made to begin with?
>>98632955If I remember right it's>lives in Brettonia>hears rumours that her dad is a bad guy>doesn't believe them>other nobles and knights think these rumours are legit, including her brother>kills her brother and runs away to Tilea with her dad>turns out the rumours were true, and her dad did do those things >runs away in shame and ends up in Talabacland looking for penance from the lady
If I wanted to update The Body Guilded to the new 5e, would it translate one for one or would I need to change anything?
>>98632164Yeah, the magic feels really fantastical, rather than just gamey as it does in later editions. It's nice to have an actual magic phase and even better that it's so fun to go through.I'll agree with your point on FBIGO, it's the one new addition in ToW that I wish was also in Renaissance. Then again, I'm pretty sure somebody on the FB group must've already adapted it into the game.
>>98630441>out of stock What's funny is that it simply doesn't matter how many offensive price hikes GW imposes, the pigs will keep on eating up the slop. They can literally charge whatever they want. Sure, the pigs will bitch and moan on the Internet, but it's just impotent whining, and GW knows they will keep buying either way
>>98632290People want updates for models that are ancient as shit instead of the same revolving door stuff getting updates. 40k has it even worse the TOW/WHF>Dark Eldar range is almost all 15 years old and no update>Eldar range doesnt need an update bar a few models but they do retarded release schedules like launching an aspect without its phoenix lord or the reverse in Asurman's case so you have new models next to shit old sculpts that do deserve a refresh even if other models (I.e. tanks) dont need it>Marines get constant updates they dont fucking needNow you can excuse this for 40k to some bullshit degree with the cope that marines print money. For WHF you cant really do that and it fucks people buying armies>High elf spearman look like shit due to oversized hands (even for heroic scale) and thick af spear shafts that make them look liek crap vs their dark elf equivalent. >This means if you want a unit and for it to not look shit you have to buy/convert proxies making it even more expensive and a pain in the arse By your logic the person should suck it up when they rightfully should complain about the models still being shit and not updated and actively puts you off an army.You can do this with the others as well (Im a WoC player so Im lucky as I have 3 ranges to pick from so my knowledge isnt even detailed either):>cant make GW warriors or chosen with the current or AoS kit unless you buy a box of 5 chosen from AoS>Beastman minotaurs look like crap and theres no doombull kit to match the options and the same is true with beastlords as you have no model and its annoying to convert one in some cases>Centigors are tiny and have thick spear shafts that look retarded (their size doesnt excuse the degree of thickness)This makes me give up on a BoC list using primarily minotaurs or even consider centigors.>Dwarf slayers look like shit so you have to spend even more money on aoS proxies to convert from1/2
>>98632290>a good kit is basically immortalSir the Blightkings box would like a word with you
>>986322902/2>Basically no kit for wood elf nobles or beast packs that dont look like shit This basically removes those options from the list for people wanting to play those armies and depending on what they want this can kill any desire to make them. Chaos is lucky and I say that as a WoC player but even that has issues if you want to farm specific god bits. I want to make a Tzeentch list but dont want to just have regular warriors but blue. Im basically stuck waiting for a kit in either TOW or AoS to farm bits from/run as Tzeentch Chosen.>Just convertPain in the arse at full army scale and relies on scultping skills which for certain details isnt possible. Im not manually sculpting Tzeentch warrior heads 60+ times and even if I did itd look like crap.People arent asking for new kits of good stuff, they want it to replace clearly dated crap that arguably didnt even look good when it came out let alone now, or they are blatantly obvious and in a different style/scale to the rest of the range amplifying the effect.
>>98633208fuck it 3/3Theres literally no model that comes close to this in the GW range for a minotaur bar maybe heavy conversion from the bloodbowl one. >never matches the artworkTheres degrees of being different to the art. The current minotaur models are shite and arent even close to this image to an acceptable degree. This alone means I will NEVER do a minotaur BoC army until theyre replaced. but I may be waiting 10 years before that ever happens. At that point I may as well fuck off and do another army. Most people also do this. I didnt bother thinking about chaos ogres as those metal sculpts whilst SOVLful af dont fit the aesthetic I want and will look tiny. I can now simply use the AoS kit and add chaos stuff as its reasonable level of work on my part. The unit may as well not exist. Same happened with the Chaos dragon until now.
>>98633208>give up on a BoC list using primarily minotaurs or even consider centigors.I can understand your reasoning for sure, but its too bad cause centigors are really slept on. Surprisingly good unit with a bad reputation.
>>98633043>How autistic are bretonians about their gearPretty autistic. It needs to show off who they are and their chivalry.>Can they (knights in general I guess, who gives a shit about the peasants) loot gear from the battlefield?Yes... but it's not the chivalrous thing to do. Taking trophies is fine, but rummaging through a dead guys pockets or picking up abandoned helmets is what peasants do.>How do they get their armor made to begin with?They probably buy it from a Blacksmith.
>>98632999ty trips anon
>>98633279Isn't the new BB Minotaur model kinda shit?
>>98633292I want to use the unit, but the models are too old. Theyre not the worst, theyre not minotaur level but when Im only tangentially interested in the army it doesnt hold my interest even if I like the idea and the art of the unit. The initial anon I was replying to vastly underestimates how much a quality model can make someone do an army or how much a bad one can kill that interest. I will eventually do a dorf fc army but Im not using slayers at all due to the models. Luckily theyre shit anyway so its not much of a loss.
>>98633314Yes but its goofyness will sell it for some people due to how it might fit BB. I think its shit for any conversion but its the only other option for a single character minotaur base to start working on that isnt 3rd party, and that enters an aesthetic issue as well with Perryfag being a prime example.
>>98633314Taste reliant as always with these things, but I rather like it. Its fitting the concept that matters more than the model fidelity and such though. The bad bloodbowl models just dont fit the sports aesthetic.
>>98633317Oh no, i completely agree with you on that. People like to throw around words like soul, but old doesnt mean good just the same as new doesnt mean good.
I think it'd be neat if we learned more of the Wood Elves from the Border Princes.Might have even benefited GW if they used the War on the Border Princes as pretext to release a boxset with WE vs TK, showcasing new models.
>>98633482TK are invading Athel Loren there using that as an excuse to do a TK vs WE book
>>98633527Feels hamfisted.
Do Kroxigors get Predatory Fighter with the current Renegade ruels? I see it on the Old World Builder, but it's greyed out, and I don't see it in the actual listed 1.5 renegade rules. something coming in the 2.0? Something they removed?
Empire lacks a big Timmy factor for me. I hope Kislev doesn’t lack in that.
>>98632809>Kislev gets derussified>WarCom describes the Ice Queen as the "yasss kween of Kyslyv"—she is depicted in a racially ambiguous way>The sensibility team decides that winged hussars are a "fascist dogwhistle" and remove them from the game>Infantry is 50% female, all head options are diversified, only 1 in 3 heads have an actual mustache>75% of the army is now engineers with bomb pigeons>GW raises the price of all products, just for laffs>Cathay get another AJ and fomo boxMan, I can't wait for Kislev to release
>>98634051>big Timmy factorI don't speak gen z, what does this stupid shit even mean?
>>98634154It means empire lacks flashy characters or monsters.https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/making-magic/timmy-johnny-and-spike
>>98634193its got the lord on gryphon, crazy ass wizard cards with the laser lenses and armillary, steamtanks. its not devoid of big fun units.but i think empire, like imperial guard in 40k, does certainly attract a certain type of player that wants a mundane army of mudcore pajama men and barebones officers. the type of player who likes as little fantasy in their fantasy as possible and try to treat whfb like a historical.on the other hand, the people who want to play humans but lean into the fantasy and heroism i think end up in brettonia or chaos.
>>98634312The luminark is missing actually, I think that would get me interested in the empire but I think that’s far off from tows timeline.
>>98634312Not an empire or guard player but there’s something cool about regular men standing against unfathomable terrors and possibly even winning
>>98634355The reality of it though is that the army eats shit if you try to play honest so that mind set kinda gets shut down.
>>98634362Yeah sure, but tabletop rules are temporary. This feeling comes from the aesthetic/vibe/lore/models
>>98634355Indeed, the valour and fortitude of the nameless footman is unimaginably kino. It's the deeds of the Everyman against impossible odds that makes the Empire so based>>98634193You should play AoS if you care about big named centerpiece hero models and shit lmfao
so the island of blood high elf lord on griffon model is just unobtainum huh
>>98634463Why! Just buy it
>>98633050She'll never going to get it anyway, she's a woman
>>98634463I remember when this set was incredibly hard to sell.
Does anyone know why TOW doesn't have any real morale mechanics?
>>98634362Honestly empire with only men and guns is pretty solid. Stupid amounts of static res and some of the best canons in the game.
>>98634463I'm genuinely curious why the sprues on this set were all mixed.
I always feel a pinch when a kit goes OOP.
>>98634599What do you mean? It has panic and break tests and leadership as a whole individual stat.
>>98633571no, it makes sense. just read the lore
>>98632865nice, please more female knights. would make bretonia finally interesting.
>>98632865>female bretonnian knight, hair out>wow gauntlets and kneepads>green heraldryYep, it's WFRP time!>>98634051>>98634193Damn you have shit aesthetics then>Oh man I can't wait to play this new human faction>Except there's too many humans and not enough Randian Giggerslob Warspanics :(
>>98624363Putting more emphasis on naval conflict would do a lot to tie the east and west together, and it also provides an opportunity to differentiate TOW from WHFB.As an example, if we look at the Empire as a naval power in TOW, it's radically different from the Empire in WHFB. Marienburg is ascendant and other power centers like Altdorf, Middenheim, Nuln and Talabheim are afterthoughts. A flotilla might not bring the same weaponry that a land army would. Cannons might be brought along, but would steam tanks? Would discrete units of riflemen be as common, or would something like the mixed loadouts of the free companies be more prevalent? And with the centers of Sigmar's and Ulric's respective cults deemphasized, should Manann feature more prominently?You can take that kind of thinking and apply it to other factions.
>>98635007The hell are wrong with her kneepads?I was just working on an Empire general on Horse, the plastic kit, and he has fucking comet tails sticking out of the sides of his kneeguards.
>>98624363Its probably a retcon, but you could easily write Cathay and the Helves as rivals/enemies fighting over the seas and aiming to become the dominate naval power. Its canon that Ulthuan ships have sunk human fleets before to keep them from going to Lustria. How would they react to Cathay outright refusing to accept Helf dominion over the seas?
>>98632865Of all places to find that in C7 shit should be the least surprising.
>>98635132I have heard it’s gotten better in 5e. There is 4e reused art and mostly that is pozzed but the new stuff is mostly ok for the non tow rpg
>>98633033>vs shit no one will touch like Balloon Dwarfs and Mud EmpireRegardless of your personal thoughts on them, they're one of GW's most popular new factions
>>98635031>>98635045Naval rivalries would be a great way to take it. Of course, it has the problem of ship stuff being basically irrelevant to the game itself, but, hey, it's cool. You can obviously tell how GW is just kind of freewheeling the direction especially with how terrible Cathay's integration into the 'old world' part of the name, with primarch lady going to the old world when her whole thing is defending the great wall. They can't even keep that shit straight when it's lore they made up like 4 years ago, it's embarrassing
>>98635181YUCKnew bread to wash away the stink please
>>98635242>>98635242>>98635242>>98635242New
>>98634062Don't even joke, I wouldn't put it past them. How on earth have the weird Tumblr social justice weirdos from 15 years ago managed to so fully infect and infiltrate culture with their 'inclusive' nonsense and 'sensitivity readers'. Why do companies think this brings them any more sales at all? Because it doesn't.
>>98634965Obvious troll is obvious.
