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>>98628957Need to get me some more Battlespace minis, I tell you what.
One fun thing about Battletech is that the setting is at the lower end of sci-fi settings with the nation-states being quite weak compared to most space-faring empires, but the mechs themselves are at the higher end of power level for the real robot genre, there's not a lot of real robot settings that have mechs as powerful as a battlemech.
>>98628957what's a good loadout for an anti-infantry mech? I'm just getting into homebrewing and I want a mech for killing infantry and elementals
>>98628973That's pretty much entirely carried by herb insisting that a laser is super duper ultra strong and their armor is invincible to all attacks ever. Any given scifi setting has ceramo-plate and triple folded tritium bullets that far outstrip our capabilities, they just don't argue on forums about how they would take 0 damage if you hit them with a tomahawk.Also macross sweeps.
>>98628999Flamers machineguns pulse lasers and plasma rifles
I have acquired a nigger rigged table for alpha strike and cbt>A 2 mapsheet board (44" x 36")[2x( 22" x 18" )]> rubber matting,(To make sure the battle board doesn't slip and slide around on the table)> and a folding table to sit them on.Because duh, table.And i got away with it all for about 60 usd.
>>98629031>Also macross sweepsMacross is magitech bullshit, Patlabor is a closer BT tech approximation except lacking energy weapons and FTL.
HONOR THE DRAGON!
>>98629031Macross sweeps, OYW Gundam actually maths out decently well but anything past clears, anything from Full Metal Panic! with a Lambda Driver wins the matchup, Nadesico isn't even fair, and Dunbine is right out. But powerscaling with those is lame when VOTOMs or Daiguard are right there.
>>98628957>>98629064I'm going to say it, battletech ship designs are fucking ugly. Dropships are really the only good looking ones and jumpships are borderline because their design is rather novel, but everything else is the most unappealing combination of space dildos and big ugly bricks
>>98629075You're a bad person and people like you are why the devs felt the need to make the WarShips stupid for 3057.
>>98629075Some of the SL era ships slap. Aegis and Texas are my faves.
>>98629031>>98629071Nah, Macross and Gundam both have the same problem, their mechs are maneuverable, but not durable. They would be defeated by a battlemech for the same reason aerospace fighters are defeated by battlemechs, they're glass cannons that would blow up once the battlemechs land a hit, while the mechs can take salvo after salvo and keep going.
>>98629059Battletech is magitech bullshitEvery single part of a battlemech is made up of super wunder metal made in space that ignores physics, super electric muscles and a brain-reading device. A labor is made out of entirely conventional materials.
>>98629113>super wunder metal made in space that ignores physics, super electric muscles and a brain-reading device.All are conventional materials for the universe depicted. Macross powers its bullshit by psychic foibles and song, which can't even be considered plausible technology.
>>98629107Remember when they had to make lams not work at all in any way and suck and lose and you can't use them anyway because nothing could hit them when played properly? Remember how that happened again in gothic? Battletech can't handle units that can air dodge.
>>98628973>strong Fuck no, MACHINE GUNS AND INFANTRY SMALL ARMS can kill mechs.
>>98629107SDF Macross maybe, but past that it's a stomp. A VF can launch too many missiles for a Mech to deal with and from what I remember pinpoint barriers are on more and more of them as time goes on. Gundam has the same story, a Zaku's an underarmed and underarmored Introtech Heavy, but by the time Zeta's over everything can go 7/11/11, soak an AC/20, and send five cERPPCs back.
>>98629075>battletech ships are ugl-Kill yourself now nigger.
>>98628999The classics are machine guns and flamers, but most of the weapons with ammo have special anti-infantry ammo. Most of these chew through regular infantry but do almost nothing to BA.Inferno ammo for SRMs fucks up everything that isn't a cold mech, including infantry and BA. Plasma rifles fuck up everything full stop.
When will we finally get a 3E sculpt from CGL?
>>98629141>Warships with external solar sailsFaggotry
>>98629031>herb>a 88mm WW2 gun is a medium rifle!>also herb>a M1 abrams gun is a light rifle and does 0 damage! Herb can't make up his fucking mind about anything. >also>gamma ray large lasers I'd sooner believe HPG lasers in setting (they exist) than gamma ray lasers.
>>98629075>launches 200 asf and 15000 weapon damage at u
>>98629176>Randomly disappears so the Sharts can roll your country up and smoke it.
>>98629132>A VF can launch too many missiles for a MechKeep in mind that Battletech exists in a universe where normal missiles like what the VF uses are obsolete because battlemechs can just intercept them.
>>98629085The 3057 ships are ugly too
>>98629131>MACHINE GUNS AND INFANTRY SMALL ARMS can kill mechsConsidering how powerful the weapons of battletech are that's not saying mech, IIRC a battlemech laser will literally melt through a mountain.
I played my first game and it was very fun :)
>>98629222Happy to hear anon, did you play CBT AS or heros?Tell us about the game.I'm having a beer and building a better pixie 1k
>>98629222I'm glad you had fun. What mech(s) did you use?
>>98629160Those aren't sails you retard.
>>98629232>>98629233It was Classic Battletech but playing the simplified rules in the Game of Armored Combat Box. The guy I was playing against it, was his first game too so we kept it pretty simple. Clan invasion era, 4500 BV, but we were both using inner sphere mechs. He brought a Rifleman, a Centurion and an Axman. I brought a BattleMaster, a Catapult, a Locust and a Shadow Hawk. I won, mainly because I got very lucky with critical hits and was able to blow up the engines on multiple mechs.
>>98629215Which means battletech lasers are putting out more energy than tactical nuclear weapons.
>>98629296Unsurprising, if you could be defeated by tactical nukes you'd be weaker than a modern conventional tank.
>>98629279Those are booms for a solar sail, fuckzilla, something no Warship should have or need
>>98629205And then you remember rocket launcher adapted off 20th century tech are viable in Battletech's most advanced eras, making that total bs.
It's strange that Warships extinction, ressurgence and second extinction except of clanners didn't force Succession States rapidly deploying in-system capital-weapon orbital stations, something like:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjFfw7dcYqY
>>98629222>>98629283Welcome aboard. Always remember that BattleTech scales to YOUR autism, so never worry about taking it at your own speed.
>>98629311Pocket warships are a thing and were developed with the return of proper warships, but they're conveniently ignored most of the time. The genie can't go back in the bottle with them, either. They're just regular ass dropships that trade cargo space for a capital scale missile launcher or two. They don't need special warship sized shipyards to make.
>>98629307Rockets sure, but those won't do much damage and they're dumbfire, Battletech has very strong ECM so most modern missile tracking won't work, there's a reason they use micro-missiles in setting.
>>98629125>All are conventional materials for the universe depictedI say magic is normal to us so it's all oodly-goo when we teleport our giant mind-reading mecha made out of layered herbanium across the universe. Realism achieved! Just like patlabor.
>>98629125>Macross powers its bullshit by psychic foibles and songThe original Macross is completely conventional technology.
>>98629332Cribbed from ludicrously high-tech aliens.>>98629328Patlabor's magic hides itself well in the complexity of labor OS programming and in the nimbleness of pilot control over the machine.
>>98629341>Cribbed from ludicrously high-tech aliens.Yes, and? It's still lower tech than what we see in Battletech.
>>98629348>FTL-capable fightersThe fuck it is.
>>98629222Fuck off and stop having fun. To aren't playing BT right.
>>98629353Only later on, early on only special ships are capable of folding, and regardless the fighters still don't display anywhere near the durability of battlemechs.
Nugger-rigged BT table
>>98629362Move the goalposts all you want, reflex weaponry alone surpasses any Battletech weapon's destructive capability. Macross is not grounded in the slightest. It's more kin to Five Star Stories, which is literal tech-sorcery.
>>98629382Not really, we see Battletech lasers doing FAR more damage with far smaller lasers. Sure a reflex laser will blast a hole in a mountain but that's something mounted on a massive combat warship big enough to comfortably fit 50,000 people with room to spare, Battletech does it with a laser mounted on a battlemech.
>>98629397A Battletech laser can't sweep through multiple kilometers-long battleships and disintegrate them, the SDF Macross can and does. It is orders of magnitude beyond the apex of Star League's tech.
>>98629413>A Battletech laser can't sweep through multiple kilometers-long battleships and disintegrate themIt absolutely fucking could if you built it on the same scale as the Grand Cannon
>>98629413>>98629415Or, to be more accurate, it absolutely could do that to Macross warships. Battletech warships are way more durable and resistant to damage than Macross warships are.
>>98629420>Battletech warships are way more durable and resistant to damage than Macross warships are.You lie. The Macross survived uncontrolled reentry through Earth's atmosphere to crash on Macross Island with enough force to reshape the land mass and remain intact enough to be salvaged and brought back to function in 10 years using 20th Century Earth tech. NOTHING in BT can tank that, or even attempt to.
>>98629432Battletech isn't new to spaceships entering planetary atmosphere and crashing down into the ground, they just do it on a smaller more economical scale. Meanwhile the actual spaceships basically get blown up just by being punctured by a few lasers, everything in Battletech is made of explodium.
>>98629440>everything in Battletech is made of explodium.*Macross
>>98629440>Battletech isn't new to spaceships entering planetary atmosphere and crashing down into the groundAnd nothing of them remains to be recovered later. Zor's battleship absorbs damage that a Nightlord couldn't hope to and isn't fundamentally destroyed until kamikazi'd by an even bigger ship when Khyron an heros. BT WarShips are tinkertoys to Zentraedi vessels.
>>98629460>BT WarShips are tinkertoys to Zentraedi vesselsThey're smaller sure, but way more durable. But here's the thing, nothing about Macross's scale is actually unrealistic. Yes, they have big ships, and they have a lot of ships, but that's to be expected for a galactic civilization with access to cloning technology and asteroid mining. It's actually very weird that Battletech's scale is so small despite having the resources of thousands of planets with god knows how many asteroid rings worth of near infinite materials. Macross's ships themselves are very fragile for their sizes though and their mechs likewise suffer from the same issue.
>>98629467You keep harping on this rumored durability, but can provide no examples of such to prove your assertion. Mine gets established in episode 1. Your case is on shaky ground.
>>98629481Watch Macross. Every time a mech is hit with a missile, it explodes. Do the same in battletech and it's gonna be fine the vast majority of the time.
>>98629483That seems more a testament to the missile's strength than a condemnation of the mech's weakness, Veritechs have avionics and reaction speeds advanced enough to shoot down missiles with handheld weapons. Zentraedi shit shatters because their tech is a mystery to them and they go hard into swarms. Humanity puts more effort into quality.
>>98629504>Veritechs have avionics and reaction speeds advanced enough to shoot down missiles with handheld weaponsI mean that's not really unique, Battletech can shoot town ASF's with their arm-mounted weapons and each battlemch is implied to have enough counter-missile weaponry on board to make most modern guided missiles obsolete, hence the need to launch so many at a time. Also it's hardly the only anime that makes its mechs fragile, it's actually pretty much the default for most anime. In fact, the whole "mechs as stomping land battleships" is something that's more of a western thing, Battletech, Warhammer 40k, etc.
>>98629551>In fact, the whole "mechs as stomping land battleships" is something that's more of a western thing, Battletech, Warhammer 40k, etc.Excepting, of course, the countless invincible super robot titles in anime.
>>98629576>the countless invincible super robot titles in anime.Fair enough, I should have clarified the real robot genre
>>98629551It's easy to forget, but a lance vs lance fight is going to last about two minutes. Most anime fights are going to barely get to the protagonist and goon of the week clashing blades by then.
>>98629341Patlabor doesn't do much with movement that we aren't already seeing in those chinese robots with automatic balance and macros managed with a human standing by with a controller. Gundam got it right too. An auto balance system and a complex series of inputs for "do this motion while maintaining your balance and adjusting for obstacles and you can take more manual control but it's harder to manage" is something we're currently doing.Battletech chose the much more magical "uh it reads your mind but not really except for when they do and it uses your balance to balance something with totally different weight and proportions". It's still good though, they just should've committed to it being a real neural interface rather than half walking it back.
What are some CI-era bad Clanmechs, like their version of the OG Banshee or Charger? Something you could throw at the IS player and give him good chance to beat it on 1 vs. 1
>>98629600>Patlabor doesn't do much with movement that we aren't already seeing in those chinese robots with automatic balance and macros managed with a human standing by with a controller.I don't know about that, re-watching movie 1 with the attack on the Ark the labors were moving as adroitly as the smaller power armors we see in Metal Skin Madox, and they were doing it without a mind-machine interface. I think a lot of labor motion is being hard-carried by the OS.
>>98629614Gladiator/Man O War is often touted as a poorly designed Omni that alternate loadouts only partially fix.
>>98629614Nova. Either you waste 6 tons, or you melt.
Is this a better way of trying to get through to Catalyst about the problems with the fiction?https://www.battletech.com/forums/index.php/topic,91603.0.html
>>98629595Twelve turns is a pretty long fight unless both forces are willing to fight to the death with their objectives both requiring them to stay on the field.
>>98629614The Garg is their direct Charger equivalent, it's still better than an actual Charger. Mist Lynxes can be used for a smaller option, though its probably still going to maul any IS light.
>>98629632They'll just ban you.
>>98629639Hard to see why OP would get banned. The length of the essay alone shows good faith.
>>98629648Criticism of CGL is problematic and worthy of a ban in and of itself. Catalyst cannot fail. It can only be failed by its fanbase. The user making the post is probably a racist boomer chud who's mad about good faith representation of non-white non-male people in his Battletech, which is something that CGL is all too familiar with, and which they don't tolerate on their forum. Even if they don't ban him, it's a 100% guarantee that they'll lock the thread and consider banning him, for the simple fact that he dared criticize an author.
>>98629648They have a zero tolerance policy on criticism on every platform they inhabit.
>>98629670The thread is already currently locked. If you take a look, OP explicitly structured his argument around avoiding culture war topics and went out of his way to praise some aspects of the same story he criticized.
>>98629627Gargoyle*Fuck me, I'm tired.
>>98629684He still criticized the authors, and that is unacceptable and ban worthy behavior. They authors know more and are better people than you. That's why they're authors and you aren't. You may not criticize them if you want to remain part of the Battletech fandom.
Other than Quikscell, you have Ceres Metal Industries who also build Hetzers. Are CMI's Hetzers any better than Quikscell-built Hetzers?
>>98629632The biggest thing I got out of that essay is that the story was "TOO MUCH LIKE MODERN DAY" for "REASONS" that aren't well elaborated on...Like the dude isn't out of Yellowstone or some shit, "too" suburban dad to be a MechWarrior out on the "Frontier".
>>98629778Presumably Ceres Metal has a higher quality standard than Quikscell
>>98629778Probably, but there's not a lot of hard data on that. You CAN track the quality of each individual component of a unit, but there's no official tables for starting condition varying by manufacturer.Also, they forgot to list Colonial Tractors on the wiki header.
>>98629316I was talking about even cheaper measures, no huge engines, just thrusters to keep them at firing range around arrival points in the system.
>>98629789He spelled it out pretty clearly.The guy who wrote the short story didn’t bother to come up with a plausible in-universe explanation for the dad putting his retarded little kid into a potential combat situation despite the whole story requiring the dad to do that stupid ass thing while knowing it was stupid.So the dad came off as a irl millennial dumbass bored with his job and family rather than a fictional BattleTech dumbass who cares about his job and family.I see that even making that simple point got one of the mods to claim the essay writer was FIXATED on this one story.Fucking THIN skin over there.
>>98629102I really like the unified aesthetics, and I appreciate how they're all recognizably fat JumpShips. But I appreciate why players thought that they were boring.
>>98629306WarShips canonically have solar sails; why shouldn't they? 99% of risky time is not in combat and you usually have hours if not days of warning before an engagement.
>>98629670>>98629683>>98629684>>98629705Is there one single established franchise whose owners do not hate its fans?
>>98629949>a plausible in-universe explanation for the dad putting his retarded little kid into a potential combat situationBuddy I lost an uncle when he flipped a tractor on himself and his friend while out squirrel hunting, this was before my own father was out of grade school.People can be gobsmackingly stupid when it comes to heavy machinery.
>>98629627Gargoyle prime is great in combined arms: it's a BA taxi that can easily run inferno srms and the lbx 5s help with immobilising and destroying convees and VTOLs. The other variants that actually use it's built in 16DHS are perfectly good mechs.It just doesn't have a pulse spamming variant. Also it tragically suffers from not-being-a-timberwolf-itis
>>98629973>WarShips canonically have solar sails; why shouldn't they?Because the compact K-F drive doesn't need them to recharge from. Nowhere I can find states WarShips have external sails.
>>98629993I prefer the D (inb4 gay euphemism) variant almost exclusively.
>>98629988Sorry for your loss. But I don’t want to read BattleTech fiction starring your gobsmackingly stupid uncle.
>>98629075How dare you insult the Space Benis and Bricks!
>>98629973>>98630028I distinctly remember reading them having sails but jettisoning them before battle. The cross-section of a WarShip in StratOps clearly has the same kinds of sail booms you see on JumpShips, and smaller ones are visible in the TRO illustrations of a bunch of WarShips like the Texas-class.As far as I know the only difference between compact and standard KF drive is that the latter takes less space. WarShips are still limited by the need to recharge their drives after every jump (2 if they have LF batteries), and recharging a drive is done with the solar sail.
>>98629132>but by the time Zeta's over everything can go 7/11/11, soak an AC/20, and send five cERPPCs back.By BT standards, Gundam is hella jank, actually. Their neuro-control systems work for less than 50 people, meaning that your average pilot is limited to one weapon at a time, and their peak physical armour system can tank one PPC hit to any facing.The only positive thing you can say about them is that they solved lasers. Lasers below capital class systems are useless vs their armour solutions.
There are many things that look strange and even silly when your first see them, and so blurting that out just confirms you are a tourist. It is also no surprise that when you search for a metaphor to describe something unfamiliar you select a penis.
>>98630074Huge ships are supposed to be easy prey ergo useless.
>>98629796I've got to wonder how Colonial Tractors could have been able to build their own Hetzers in the first place? CMI I get (they could get House Liao to back them up if Quikscell caused a stink about it), but in Colonial Tractors' case, wouldn't they need a lot of money to bribe Quikscell into building their own Hetzers?
>>98630367Meant "wouldn't they need a lot of money to bribe Quikscell into being allowed to build their own Hetzers".
>>98630367>copyright lawSay that to my AC/20, I dare you.
>>98629975>Is there one single established franchise whose owners do not hate its fans?No. You're all shit, and you deserve our hatred.
>>98630367>>98630376They probably assembled an equivalent rather than a copy. As in using engines and drive trains they got and target systems and weapons they can get from other sources, to the point where their Hetzers are completely incompatible with Quikscell's.
>>98630199They can fire way more than one at a time, they just don't have much reason to. Beams work good against most armored targets.On the other hand battletech has people for some reason continually requesting completely schizophrenic loadouts for mechs of 8 different guns at different ranges and ballistic types and ammo types and then making more and more of variants of them when even the biggest dummy realizes "huh maybe you could just do large laser/medium laser and then a few spare inferno missiles or flak?". Gundam is a setting where people actually figured out their own meta, and battletech has a dozen variants of every mech that totally suck ass for over a hundred years.
>>98630412>Gundam is a setting where people actually figured out their own metaWhich gets more bizarre with every new offering.
Gundam is a setting where your power level is scaled to your level of autism.
>>98630412>They can fire way more than one at a timeThe standard MS load out is one main gun plus a CC weapon. The minimal battlemech loadout is two guns with different engagement ranges that can independently and rapidly track and engage targets.BT neuro control systems can be used by any human that isn't literally severely brain damaged and they all get the ability to control and use multiple independent weapon systems in parallel by themselves.Less than 50 humans in Gundam can do that. Less than 50 humans can interact with the neuro control systems they have developed.From the BT perspective, the whole MS tech branch is basically like the Japs pumping out nothing but Zeros.
>>98630445You could go from the OYW to CCA and beyond by just jumping from jim to jim without any major changes because it works and they know it.>>98630471Actually it's a bunch of different guns that suck and blow the mech up for no reason and don't even work any good and take a dozen different ammo types. Battletech is full of shitmechs that can't handle standing still and shooting their own firearms at optimal ranges and it doesn't even make any sense why they made them.It sucks because they're sometimes like "well... they made this mech bad on purpose!" and so? What about the other 70% of the designs with ammo bombs and terminal heat issues and ammo problems? Even a total rube could think to drop a gun and add three heat sinks and unfuck them.
>>98630392I see. Would using different parts have helped those who infamously copied Quikscell's SRM Carrier from being sued by Quikscell?
>>98630663Depends on the legal system used, I guess. Some courts will not accept that somebody could have a right to be the sole producer of tracked SRM vehicles.Ultimately, Quikscell might have to fund some pirate raids to protect their market position.
>>98630564>and beyond by just jumping from jim to jimExcept for GMs not being GMs after CCA, because after that everything changes
>>98629620Yeah, the deal is that the Ingrams' OS is a self-learning system that's able to improve based on input from the pilots and other stimuli from the environment. In the manga version, it's explicitly compared to a baby learning to walk. The reason they're able to move the way they do in the film is because by that point they'd been in use for a year or more and had developed incredibly advanced movement parameters on their own. In fact, what made the final boss, Zero so dangerous was that it was partly created from the Ingrams' data.One thing about Patlabor that's worth mentioning, though, is that although the computer asist is capable of handling incredibly complex movements for the pilot, the mech's actual body can't keep up with it for extended periods. There's a bit where one is doing a bunch of action movie poses on a test track and Officer Shinohara, who's the son of the owner of the company that makes them, is wincing the entire time because of how it's grinding the hell out of the thing's joints and it will cost huge amounts of money to replace them all just for that stupid stunt. Definitely more maintenance intensive than myomer is supposed to be.
>>98629132For what it's worth, canonically Zeta-era armor is actually weaker, with a few exceptions, than in the original series because armor that could resist beam weapons wasn't economical to mass produce so it was better just to ditch all but the bare minimum and focus on thrusters.
>>98629949>the short story didn’t bother to come up with a plausible in-universe explanation for the dad putting his retarded little kid into a potential combat situation>I'm bored, this place is boring, lets take my kid to workParents in backwaters take their kids with them to do dangerous jobs all the time.
>mfw more than half my SRMs go right into the target's one exposed location
>>98630971yfw you score zero crits?
>>98630982Why must you remind me of my sorrows
>>98630971Why I always run infernos.
>>98631013Cause this is a Marik thread.
>>98630412>Gundam is a setting where people actually figured out their own meta, and battletech has a dozen variants of every mech that totally suck ass for over a hundred years.Because one of these was made by people who understand the MIC and the kind of crap it creates.
>>98629949I'd say it's more basic than that even, and he's just using that one story as an example;The guy has a problem with Battletech shit being written like it's not actually sci-fi, and authors not writing the people in it that fit outside their own limited experience.It's a fairly common failing across time though not limited to Battletech for sure and creeps into pretty much all big fantasy/sci-fi things. Fantasy stuff is fucking atrocious for it. Authors are often just, well, shit and don't know how to write anyone that isn't themselves or the people around them. As a point one of the more successful parts of Battletech for its keeping to its nature is that because the Clans have an inherent style guide that everyone must follow when writing them, as cliche and occasionally stupid as it gets, that's kept that part from falling into the same trap, mostly (there's always gonna be exceptions with so fucking much pumped out). Ultimately I think the poster's points could be answered by tightening up the overall style guide a bit, so that editors will look at such stories and go "Does this read like a character appropriate to their environment?" Frontier Battletech people for instance, should probably be looking at historical sources or at least some gritty westerns even though that's just piling fiction on fiction, to give a sense of what they're up to with the hardness and brutality of frontier living that comes with the mundane of even if you do have a few fusion engines and laser pistols on hand.
>>98630663I had some missile carriers whose lore was their design got changed to avoid that lawsuit.
>>98631142>Frontier Battletech people for instance, should probably be looking at historical sources or at least some gritty westernsBy the time you reach the "Westwards expansion"-difficulty tier of colonization, you have already established a solid foot hold on-planet for a couple centuries, you have a stable government and are an integral part of an interstellar trade network.You're only frontier in the sense that you will never be a golden world.Actual initial colonization's more like being dropped on the Eurasian steppe with nothing but an axe and the clothes on your back. While also being allergic to fish, berries and milk, mind.
>>98631085Irene my beloved
>>98631207Reminder, this was initial colonization of a Drac golden world.
Does Battletech have any depictions of Eastern Orthodoxy? Just curious
>>98631474iirc, it's listed on some planets religion lists, but I don't think there's any particular individual characters or plots where it matters.
>>98631474I think one of the Clans twisted it as a way of teaching their version of Kerenskys visions but might be mixing it up with another religion.
Scouring sands is in the mail and I've been wracking my brain and the MUL to try and come up with a full mercenary company, while remaining era appropriate and sticking to faction restrictions (Rip Warhawk my beloved, but apparently only the goliath empire has these in the Ilclan era.).At 400 PV with no more than two of the same chassis and no duplicates. (And obviously being limited by my available models)Place your bets on which of the four bug mechs die first to a lucky clan jade falcon shot / artillery.Unless you expect someone else to get melted first.>Unused models: Atlas, Warhawk, Archerx2, Wraith, Phoenix Hawk, Blackjack, Grizzly, Cyclops, Javelin, Extra Warhammer, Thunderbolt, Extra Rifleman IIC, Thor.In case anons see any obvious improvements.
>>98629300Which mechs do get destroyed by tactical nuclear weapons (not even that big either).
>>98631096>kind of crapFunctional weapons? Gundam only works if you completely turn off your brain.
>>98631781>Which mechs do get destroyed by tactical nuclear weaponsAny mech who's pilot isn't a named character obviously
>>98631404There are STILL creatures on "golden worlds" that kill thousands each year, and are seen as "just the way things are" on those worlds.
>>98629341Battletech has its mechs doing handstands and somersaults, they are absolutely more nimble than a Patlabor
>>98630028>Because the compact K-F drive doesn't need them to recharge from.Wut?
>>98631838>that gun arm mountMan that design gets used a lot in Battletech art.
>>98631800That’s almost every mech setting (including Battletech)
>>98631781I’ve never seen a mech killed by a tactical nuke
>>98632062Happy Birthday!
>>98631951>>98631800Always remember that giant robots make no fucking sense. In-universe justifications are always cope.
>>98632161There is precisely one context in which a giant robot makes sense, and it ironically came from the anime that inspired battletech…and which battletech for some reason decided to ditch.
Sup /tg/. I've been away for a while getting my life in order. Whats changed in the Battletech sphere? Last time I was here, was back in April.
>>98632193>some reason Because it was weeb garbage? Marcoss is gay, LAM's don't fucking belong.
>>98632391Nothing. Literally nothing.
>>98632391New MW5:Mercs DLC (Yes actually) more sculpts and modules coming down the pipe, CGL still being leftist faggots.
>>98632400>Because it was weeb garbage?So is battletech
>>98632406Dang.>>98632409Neat! I'll have to see if I can get permission to bring those in, since paints involved n junk.
>>98632410Nah, western mech settings are usually less concerned with trying to be realistic and more just about putting the biggest, baddest mechs you can find out on the battlefield
>>98631404Proserpina don't fuck around
>>98632400>Marcoss is gayMacross is probably the least gay of the Mecha series. Only Godannar and that series that features a mech with a fapping arm that is powered by massaging a girl's boobies are less gay, really.
>>98630062>But I don’t want to read BattleTech fiction starring your gobsmackingly stupid uncleAnd yet you expect yokels with giant stompy war robots to NOT take their kids on joy rides?>>98630937>Parents in backwaters take their kids with them to do dangerous jobs all the time.Indeed, did their dads never let them drive?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQe3DKDQRRs
>>98632543Daimidaler.
>>98632391New MUL is actually pretty good
>>98629949>The guy who wrote the short story didn’t bother to come up with a plausible in-universe explanation for the dad putting his retarded little kid into a potential combat situation despite the whole story requiring the dad to do that stupid ass thing while knowing it was stupid.Don't forget that Mechs are passed down from one generation to the next. This makes a lot of sense.Or do you think that no knight ever took his son on a ride with him?
>>98632773Hell that's IN this story apparently, he has an elder son he should be showing the ropes, but his daughter was the one being problematic.
>>98632773That hasn't been a factor in the setting for decades now. They veered away from Five Star Stories in favor of Full Metal Panic.
>>98632864It's still very much a feudal setting
>>98632062That’s how Amaris killed (most of) the Black Watch during his coup. None of his mechwarriors could fight them so he just said fuck it and nuked unity city to take them out.
>>98593144A week later and I'm finally home.Marc cracked the stim tab with his teeth and let it turn into chalky, bitter fizz on his tongue. He'd had two for breakfast and there was no time to wait on his digestive system to burn through a third. Things were going FAST.It had been a fast month. Watching his brother get slagged had only taken the blink of an eye. The Ultra AC/20 double tapped him. That was it. Getting the hell out of dodge was fast too. Everyone talked fast. Everyone wanted money fast. He wanted to get away fast. Now here he was again. Same jump route. Same place.Same Jaguars pacing in the mist.Everyone else had laughed when he told them. Marc told himself he had told them. They even jeered him and his ragtag outlaw friends getting ripped apart. 'The only jaguars the Magistocracy had to offer came with a collar and a bell.'Even with two extra 'Mechs and a hundred more tons of drop weight things had gone the same as last time. They didn't listen. They walked into it. The first few of them over the hill had gotten armor ripped off by the ton and the rest were milling around with their sensors jammed.That same clumsy bitch in her Omnimech stumbled up to Kat and turned her Hunchback into steel mulch. She was the only one of these lot he had liked. The tree she had ripped up was still clenched in what was left of a hand. So much for bashing in the cockpit of the first Clanner to show their ugly faces. 'This is it, big man.'There was a snarl. Nobody but death was listening anyway.The jumpjets slammed. The cockpit rattled and loose buttons jumped around in their housing. Marc had never been much for fancy maneuvers and his Brigand was never meant to take these kinds of g forces. It was fast trip. A hundred meters up. One twenty.Maybe he needed to save some juice for the landing.One sixty.It looked ridiculous from up here. Lasers arced in the mist. They were leading him right where he wanted to go. (cont)
>>98632890Pretty sure that was a strategic nuke.
>>98632870It has the trappings, but more in common with post-Renaissance European standing armies wearing modern military MTOEs than anything from the chivalric age. Helm and 3039 warped the fabric, and the Clans set it on fire.
>Anon doesn't think battletech is weeb shitBest laugh I've had in days.
>get assigned to Star Captain Mommy Hall's star>need to choose a mechWould a Kodiak work for a frontline unit since it's a totem mech?If not, what's a sufficiently Ghost Bear mech to kill freebirths with?
>>98632409I remember back when DLC 5 came out and I thought that would be the end of it. Now we're on DLC 8 and I thought that it was finally time to create my ultimate save file, but then they announced DLC 9.It's cool that they keep adding stuff, but the part of me that wants a game to be complete is being driven mad.
>>98631800>Functional weapons?You only say that because you have not witnessed the $200 screwdriver that is mandated for use and purchase by MIC contracts.
>>98633383Stormcrow? Mad dog?How would we know? Only fags play clanner scum. Real men play IS as god intended.
>>98630937>>98632568Joyriding rednecks would be fine, but that’s not what happened in the story. I’d suggest you actually read it rather than letting your contrarian instincts run wild.
>>98632940You don't really see the lumbering land battleships in real robot anime that can take a million hits that you see in Battletech and Warhammer 40k. Anime mechs are typically a lore more fragile and a lot less heavily armed.
>>98633383Executioner.
>>98633383Griffin IIC
>>98632391New core rules have officially been published.
>>98633767>New core rulesBattletech is ruined forever. Everyone go back to 40k I guess.
>>98633767Any of them pertaining to Aerospace?
>>98633847Aerospace got a new "battlefield support aerospace" section that's more developed thab the Magic Missile strikes from the BMM, but nowhere near as detailed as full Aerospace. CGL has stated a new standalone aerospace game is coming, with two force packs due next year. One clan, one IS, each pack has six aurvraft
>>98633867*than*aircraftI hate telephones
>>98633867>>98633876You and me both my phone. But hey, new Aerospace. One of the guys in my platoon wants to play, but he is the only one interested in Aerospace.
>>98633883We got two players who wanted to do aerospace, so they're the opposing air marshals in our campaign and anyone with ASF can volunteer units to them. Last game had a crash that missed a mech by one hex.
>>98633518>but that’s not what happened in the story.Well I read your essay, where he apparently wasn't redneck ENOUGH!You bitch about a suburbanite frontier MechWarrior dad in a setting that famously features an office worker commuting on his donkey to go home to a microwave cooked meal.
>>98634209>a setting that famously features an office worker commuting on his donkey to go home to a microwave cooked meal.A meal that he shot with a bow and arrow!God, 1629 remains the best shit.
>>98631096One thing that's always made BattleTech feel realistic compared to other military scifi is that it's one of the few that acknowledges just how much that weapons, and often the wars they're made to fight in, are first and foremost a revenue stream.
>>98633519You don't see them in battletech either cause battlemechs aren't lumbering and can't take a million hits. Building mechs for pure defense is crap because you'll just suffer crits and headshots anyway. This is why everyone makes jumpmechs now. Not getting hit is the better defense and now the average "competitive battletech" game is just armored core.
>>98634360>cause battlemechs aren't lumbering and can't take a million hitsI was exaggerating for effect but battlemechs absolutely are super durable compared to...well just about every other vehicle in battlech and mechs in anime. And yes, battlemechs are still very fast compared to most land vehicles in Battletech but they're still kinda slow and lack maneuverability compared to a lot of mechs in the genre.
>>98631142>he's just using that one story as an exampleThat's right. He even says there are worse examples he won't get into (probably stuff he would be instabanned for mentioning).>[authors]don't know how to write anyone that isn't themselves or the people around themSome authors think superficial attributions of characteristics (sex, race, class, etc) is enough. In this story, the main guy is some kind of Hispanic. But does he think like a Hispanic person would? Hard to say what being Hispanic means millions of lightyears away from earth and over 1000 years from now. That's why it is so important to work on the characters at a deeper level.What we are getting more and more, by contrast, is writers satisfied to substitute diversity for dimension. Although I doubt they really know they're making that trade.>because the Clans have an inherent style guideThis also makes Clanners more resilient against writers' present-day assumptions but even the Clanners are starting to come off more like woke scolds under certain pens.>Frontier Battletech people for instance, should probably be looking at historical sources or at least some gritty westernsThat's right. And it's obviously not for the sake of merely depicting rough circumstances. A writer should evaluate those sources to get a better notion of what frontier characters think like, even unconsciously (which persists even when material conditions improve).>>98631207>You're only frontier in the sense that you will never be a golden world.Incorrect, in all kinds of ways. There are plenty of non-golden worlds within the Inner Sphere so even close to regional or national capitals. Being on the frontier is a different matter than material conditions alone.
>>98634432>millions of lightyearsRead the actual lore and not shitty fanfiction dumbass
>>98633383Kodiak isn't a real totem Mech.Anyway, the most Ghost Bear 'Mech is a Mad Dog or Executioner.
>>98633867>Aerospace got a new "battlefield support aerospace" section that's more developed thab the Magic Missile strikes from the BMM, but nowhere near as detailed as full Aerospace.Isn't that the Radar Map rules from AT2 as digested through TacOps?
>>98634432>satisfied to substitute diversity for dimension.They're the same picture. Deal with it chud.
>>98633483I figure this will be Bulldog, maybe the next DLC will be relieving Serpent and the Great Refusal, they could nicely tie off the campaign with the end of the Clan Invasion period and tie a bow in MW5 with 10 DLCs
>>98634462>FedCom Civil War DLC>Upon victory the perspective suddenly changes>You become Vlad>You get to yiff KSD in first person
>>98634422The armor is just game mechanics. Grayson was taking out mechs with a few shots from an ac/5 all day.
>>98634440I'm not gonna calculate the actual distance between Terra and Lackhove for the sake of a 4chan post, you troglodyte.>>98634458Well maybe people at CGL really are thinking along those lines. If so, BattleTech fiction is in deep trouble.
>>98634514>I'm not gonna calculate the actual distance between Terra and Lackhove for the sake of a 4chan post, you troglodyte.I think he's more referring to the size that the Inner Sphere being about 500 ly in radius is repeatedly stated in the books. Even fucking Sarna has it.
>>98634520The point was only to say, there is a lot of time and space between a present-day perspective and a BattleTech perspective so that simply making a character Hispanic or a lesbian or whatever doesn't cut it.But I'll accept the rebuke for my hyperbole. Fair enough!
>>98634545Just admit you can't even get basic facts right about Battletech and move on.
>>98634509>The armor is just game mechanicsNo it's fucking not, there are a mountain of justifications from myomer to ablative armor to redundant parts to ECM for why it's so fucking hard to take out a battlemech, let's not pretend for a second that battlemechs aren't supposed to be durable as fuck, even the fan animations have them taking volley after volley.
>>98634583>A pedant, in my BattleTech thread?It's more likely than you think. And it contributes to the franchise being overrun by equally mediocre blue-haired tourists.
>>98634545>excepting subtlety online, let alone on 4chanAnon, I...
>>98634625That's why I humbly accept the censure lol. And the point stands, regardless.
>>98633867I tried out aerospace battlefield support and it's not bad but still leaves you wanting more. Definitely better than those garden variety airstrike cards that came with Mercenaries though. I like that an aerospace unit making a ground attack occupies a physical space on the map and thus has actual range bands and firing arcs to deliver and receive attacks. I wish that escort and units that are intercepting said attackers also had a physical presence on the map too. Interceptor vs Interceptor I'm fine with leaving off the field though.Also the default skill levels provided on the cards in the aerospace playtest made hitting targets way too easy but apparently they've already addressed this and are nerfing aerospace skills by a level for whenever the full aerospace cards come out.
>>98634590>consistently win fights against mechs by shooting them with an ac/5 a couple times, sometimes even just once Highest canon, game rules are abstract.
>>98634653Your example means nothing, TAC's exist, they're the exception not the rule
>>98629328You write like you're pushing 70 years old. Not good.
>>98634683TACs are just a cheap adhoc attempt to make the game resemble the fights in the books and it's just more silly random game nonsense so people can clap when their atlas blowed up on the third turn. A shadow hawk can be reliably capable of blowing up mechs with just a few hits, which it canonically does, with its fearsome ac/5, which is respected as a viable weapon and not a popgun.Otherwise every introtech book duel would be "they walked around slowly trading blows for like five fucking minutes, holy shit these guns do nothing, why did anyone make a gun that does single digit damage and install it as a primary damage dealer? why does the shadow hawk do an average of like seven damage (it misses a lot(which is very weird if they're supposed to be "ponderous")) it literally can't kill anything oh my fucking god grayson just get a different mech"Or the game is just abstract (lower canon than the books, explicitly gamified with a warning at the start that it is).
think I've got a good loadout for anti-infantry, anti-BA and light vehicle. all clan tech:3 machine guns linked in an array, 1 ton ammomedium pulse laserplasma cannon, 2 tons ammo2 streak SRM4, 1 ton ammoprotomech ac4, 3 tons, 1 standard, 1 AP, 1 flechetteany changes I should make?
>>98634653Game rules are the only canon that matters, and it doesn't matter what cucked policy from the trannies who rent the game from its owners quote at me. If you can't do it on the table, it's impossible. Seethe, dilate, and die.
>>98634761Interesting hypothesis. I'm sure you have a table of how often TACs appear in BT fiction, and their shift in usage over time to back it up?
>>98634763Arrays kind of suck and don't help against infantry. What they do is make it so all your machine guns fire as a single weapon, then you roll cluster to see how many of them hit, then they all hit the same location. Against infantry, that just adds a step where they can all whiff together with no benefit when they do hit.
>>98634761Bullshit. If you're going to say that TAC's are abstracted then you might as well say that tanks or ASF's are actually the dominant force on the battlefield because the thing that makes them not as viable as mechs in the tabletop is mechanics, and yet we know that's a croc of shit.
>>98634807>tanks or ASF's are actually the dominant force on the battlefieldThey are. Mechs are propaganda weapons, but they're totally ineffectual and unrealistic, and it's only shitty game rules that let them be effective at all.
>>98634807Funnily enough, by mechanics ASFs used to blow 'Mechs out of the water, which is why the lawndart checks were added. Conversely, tanks used to be weaker, but endless complaints from fans that were tankers on the OF led to them get buffed to the point where some were arguably better than 'Mechs (fewer armor facings, turrets, and the ability to go hull-down are all very powerful), which led to counter-buffing in turn.I wonder if other things are allowed to be strong now that Herb is no longer in charge. I'm excited for the Ravens' WarShips.
>>98634865>I wonder if other things are allowed to be strong now that Herb is no longer in charge. I'm excited for the Ravens' WarShips.You'll get nothing. Randall won't allow his Mormon brother's legacy to be walked back or suborned by anyone. What Herb killed will remain dead, as intended.
>>98634861You're trolling>>98634865Yes but that's the point, the authors are very clearly creating a setting where mechs are these powerful, dominant, strong weapons of war that can take a lot of hits and keep going.I mean, FFS, the Mackie's first two trials had it literally untouched by the enemy despite being outnumbered in both cases. That's not something that's fragile.
>>98634790if I rip out the machine guns should i replace them with AP Gauss or micro-pulse lasers?
>>98634893>You're trollingnta but if we're going by mechanics>fluff then we should acknowledge that ASF objectively dominated the game so hard that lawndart rules were implemented purely in response to that. You can't have it both ways anon. Besides, you can still argue that the only reason ASF aren't the main form of warfare is because they're way harder to salvage and replace.
>>98634893>I mean, FFS, the Mackie's first two trials had it literally untouched by the enemy despite being outnumbered in both cases. That's not something that's fragile.Didn't the Mackie have cutting-edge (i.e. "modern") armor and weapons, too? Or was that a retcon?
>>98634907>then we should acknowledge that ASF objectively dominated the game so hard that lawndart rules were implemented purely in response to that.The lawndart rules were a solution to a problem that didn't exist. So few games used ASFs for ground support, and when they did it was usually the kind of serious player that wouldn't be an optimizing asshole.
>>98634930The fact that ASF's were capable of being used like that at all was an obvious loophole since they're not supposed to be that good. There's a clear difference between "This vehicle isn't a match for battlemechs in the lore so it doesn't get used much" and "Please don't use this vehicle too much or it'll ruin the mech power fantasy"
>>98634930>So few games used ASFs for ground support,I wish I'd lived in that world back in the day. Cunts using Mechbusters ruined every goddamn game enough I took a 20 year break from playing at all.
>>98634963Nah, the actual problem is that the "canon units only" rule also applies to ammo swaps.
>>98634963The actual upshot of all of this is that anyone who wants to use any unit type other than Mechs in a game is someone you should expunge from the fan base.
>>98634772TACs don't exist. Your shots don't randomly phase through armor. >>98634807The game rules are just sucky and don't get playtested especially rules for anything but mechs. 50-50 random crapshoot if it's total unplayable garbage or the most powerful unit in the game.Any time you wonder if the game is accurate or simulates the world properly or has any sense of reasonable balance or playtesting, just remember the shadow hawk is supposed to be an effective, reliable mech with a good reputation.
>>98635062>and don't get playtestedGod is this true. I wonder if anyone tested half the rules and equipment in MaxTech.
>>98635062>Your shots don't randomly phase through armor.Yes they do, how do you think mechs are able to take out tanks so easily?
>>98635130>I wonder if anyone tested half the rules and equipment in MaxTechThey didn't, or they never would have published the thing. Giving fuckos the means to make weakness-free 'mechs poisoned the spirit of BT. That shit should have remained in the realm of Mekton Zeta.
Still no news on the Force Manuals, right? Last thing I heard was Invading Clans next followed maybe by House Steiner, plus PDF supplements for ilClan era for both Davion and Kurita ones (which HS:Draconis March even reference to)…
>>98635130>God is this trueMostly true, though it depends on what you mean by "playtesting". Generally speaking, until *VERY* recently, "playtesting" meant something along the lines of, "play a game or 2; did the rules do what you wanted them to do? If so, have we fixed most (not all) of the typos? Great, print it." Stress testing to "see what breaks the game" isn't how the job ever gets done. Turns out, live playtesting is expensive and takes a lot of time and tabletop game companies don't usually have a lot of money or time. They usually write something that looks about right, hand it to someone to see if it works the way they hoped if played according to the designer's intent, correct some (not all) typos, and publish that shit.I hate to break it to you anon, but no TTRPG game company ever has or ever will do playtesting to the degree that you think it should be done, when you use computer programming/ game studios as your example. TSR didn't do it. WOTC doesn't do it. GW doesn't do it. And CGL doesn't do it. The degree to which Xotl ran the playtest last year for the new core rules is by a *WIDE* margin the most in-depth and wide-ranging playtest that BattleTech has *ever* experienced.
>>98635284And that's a good thing. Death to compfags.
>>98635284>TSR didn't do it.I mean, in fairness, a lot of that was because Lorraine hated it when people played D&D in the office.
>>98635284If you aren't going to test your product so that it's perfectly balanced against the rest of your game, then you shouldn't be publishing at all. Either do it right or don't do it at all.
>>98634209Are you too dumb to realize that guy's problem is not with there being rednecks in Battle?His point is, rednecks in BattleTech should act like rednecks rather than latte-sipping yuppies.I don't think you did read the essay or the story, otherwise you'd know the main char's stupid wife didn't want to watch their kid because she was at some kind of poetry writing class.
>>98635305If people followed that mindset pretty much the entire hobby would never have existed. The intent behind most of these games is something to play with friends, not the try hard meta nonsense that came later.
>>98635346>pretty much the entire hobby would never have existed.If this is what they think the hobby should be, then good. Let it die. If a game isn't balanced, then it doesn't deserve to exist.
>>98635354I think you're lost, >>>/vg/d2g/ is over there.
>>98635300what a cunt.>hey don't actually play our product you assholes! just make up more shit and crap it out there!
>>98635311>she was at some kind of poetry writing class.Book club.And you've yet to show why this guy taking his daughter out on a routine patrol is so offensive to your sensibilities."IT'S TOO DANGEROUS!!!"Yeah it ain't smart, but it's kinda the axiom of the whole fucking story!Hell, you all bitch that all those pride anthology fan stories just have Battletech bolted on superficially, so here is a guy who, due to life being life, had to babysit his brat in his Mech and had the misfortune of doing so when the Clans invaded their home planet.
>>98635390She was there to run it into the ground and that's exactly what she did. Whether the Blumes Brothers explicitly asked her to do so or they just gave her all their shares before the embezzlement case got going is a question we're unlikely ever to get a straight answer to.Certainly her antipathy for the entire nerd and geek subculture was incredibly well documented, and she only took the job of CFO at TSR initially because the money was good, which, if her family hadn't mismanaged the Buck Rogers license, she probably wouldn't have needed.Certainly it is known that the Blumes Brothers embezzeled millions of dollars from TSR whilst Gary Gygax was away in Hollywood trying to get a D&D film optioned. Spending it on fast cars, cheap apartments and at one point the raising of an 18th century Tea Clipper from the Atlantic. We know that they abused their position to promote friends, or create cushy well paying jobs with no actual work for them. What we don't know is if the idea to have Gygax trundle off to Hollywood was their idea to get him out of the way or not.We do know they weren't prepared for him to come back and catch one of them red handed, with his hand practically in the till.But we do know that whilst he could start criminal proceedings against one, he couldn't pin enough on the other to stop him from receiving all said brothers shares and then turning around and giving them to Lorraine, making her the majority shareholder in TSR.
>>98635440Imagine trying that nonsense in the Combine
>>98632400>LAM's don't fucking belong.U dereve to be raped by pack of feral aspiring rappers.
>>98635418I can see a shitty parent bringing their kid in (some) mechs as likely enough. I can do without a fistful of stories about fags and trannies, though.
Hermes II is based
>>98633483If you want to collect everything in one save there's no shame in importing your Mason into a different timeline and reverse the clock.
>>98635793It is a Marik mech therefore yes it is based.
>>98635793What does the pilot see out of, anyway? Is the seat behind one of the eyes like the MWO Atlas?
>>98635811Nevermind, I was thinking of the light Hermes.
>>98631936Used to be more varied.
>>98635297>Death to compfags.Sure, but things should still tend towards internal balance. Unbalanced shit means either you're playing to lose or you have to forgo equipment at a certain point. Best example is the TSEMP Cannon which has the same weight and over twice the crit space of a CLPL while costing 200 BV more. There's literally zero benefit to taking it.Also in general I believe compfags like unbalanced games because it gives them more shit to abuse. If compfags cared about balance they'd play games with 3 well-balanced factions or just play chess, not play 40k with whatever broken army/unit/strategem is currently the most busted. Compfags love the idea of getting to take IJJ CLPL boats while their opponents play with unoptimized units that they find fun or cool.On the topic of fun and compfags I wanna make a dogshit assault/heavy striker/scout lance and was wondering what to include. Obviously Charger 1A1 is in and I might say Banshee fits well enough as the main weapons platform of my lance, but was hoping for more 5/6 walk speed mechs, ideally introtech.
>>98632435>western mech settingsnot a real thing, it's unironically just weebs in denial.
>>98636000Nah, you can see clearly different tones of mech design and usage in Western vs Eastern mech media. In Western media mechs tend to be portrayed as slower (see mech warrior's portrayal even if it isn't lore accurate) and harder to kill (even in the lore mechs take a good number of hits to kill meanwhile in anime mechs tend to die from one sword strike or one volley of gunfire), furthermore non-mechs are portrayed as actual effective if not top of the line combat units in Western media while in Eastern media tanks and artillery are just targets for mechs to destroy.
>>98633383The Grizzly is the premiere freebirth heavy mech for deleting innersphere surats with gauss rounds and a trio of pulse lasers.For added benefit the lack of an XL makes it very cheap to both mass produce and repair.
>>98636029All this conveys is that you don't know anything about the real mech genre. In fact, can you even name anything you consider 'western mech' outside of Battletech and maybe Heavy Gear?
>>98636073honestly it has MBT vibesyou don't really need any other mech
>>98636029>non-mechs are portrayed as actual effective if not top of the line combat units in Western media while in Eastern media tanks and artillery are just targets for mechs to destroySo what you're saying is Gundam is a Western mech setting?
>>98636102>Tanks are mowed down and accomplish nothing of value ever
>>98636102It's a jobber eat jobber world out there
>>98636092There was a 90s TV series about giant robot pilots, and Seaquest DSV had one episode that featured two giant fighting robots.
>>98636136Can we just take a minute to appreciate how ridiculous the Phoenix Hawk's frame is?>Be Stinger, 20 ton light mech>Terran Company realizes it can reinforce your frame a bit>Shoot you up to 45 ton Medium >Now be Phoenix Hawk >Clanners realize with some reinforcement they can raise up your tonnage even higher.>shoot up to a mind boggling 80 tons, almost twice your original weight. >Now be Assault mech PXH IIC, still be almost as fast as you were before.>Meanwhile have 7 other mechs built off your original Stinger frame. What a fucking wonder if engineering.
>>98634763Do they not have inferno missiles in the clans?
>>98636194reminds me of how the Bushwacker was originally built off the Griffin chassis
Are there any good Charger introtech variants?
>>98635801Does that work with new DLCs? I admit I hadn't tried that. Part of the appeal is always the climb up from the bottom at the start of a career. But I also thought that save files weren't compatible with newer DLC. Like if you bought the new DLC and wanted to use it, that you'd have to start a new career/campaign and that's what all those icons for all the DLCs were for. I also admit I kind of just came up with that idea on my own and not sure from where. So if I can take my DLC8 file and convert it to a DLC9 file, I think I'd be okay with that for once. Legends of the Kestrel Lancers is great and all, but I'm kind of sick of playing it at this point. Especially when I haven't even gotten around to the Shadows of Kerensky and Chaos Marches campaigns yet.
>>986362614/6 AC/20.Also the Hatamoto-Chi, a Thug with bad heat management is still a Thug.
>>98636261Of course! The 1A1 is already good. You just have to actually charge the enemy with it. If they try to focus it down, the rest of your guns get plenty of easy shots for free. If they ignore the Charger, then the Charger gets to have about 80 tons worth of melee fun.
>>98636261If you are playing BV the basic one is pretty good as a distraction piece. Your opponent does in fact have to kill it.
>>98636261The basic one. The Liao AC/20 one.The Combine jumper with thr LRMs isn't great but has soul.The Challenger.
>>98636283Oh, and of course the Hatamoto-Chi, if you don't mind your Charger having tacky weeaboo bullshit glued to it.
>>98636261depends, is the CGR-1A2 canon?
>>98636267What do you mean work with DLCs? Once you buy them they're added to your game world and will always appear once you reach the appropriate time. There is no versioning to your save file. Every time you choose to start a new career it will ask if you want to import an existing company or start from scratch.Building your company up from the 3015 start is nice and all but it will never match the narrative, and they don't care to accommodate because the alternative is that there's a Leopard flying around with the most prestigious merc *lance* in the entire Sphere and nobody has ever mentioned them anywhere else. Mason will always be wowed by the Sunder prototypes and always complain about his rag tag company somehow being still staffed by half-baked washouts and goofy IS rustbuckets even though it's been 42 years, despite the actual player running around with 12 fully upgraded Clan mechs and plenty extra being towed behind the Leopard.Just play the latest DLCs in order instead of putting them off. Their curated starts are balanced to give sufficient challenge and threaten you with a lot of attrition over the DLC's campaign. Chaos Reign is a bit overtuned against the player but it is still doable. Same thing with the upcoming one. Then once you've beaten them "legit" the way PIG intended you import your save to wherever you want to continue from, but I doubt you will actually improve your company much. Ashes and Ascension is adding a lot of Clan battlemechs and IS post-Invasion weapons but are you seriously going to replace your 8 kitted out Mad Cats with those? Didn't think so. But that is why the curated fresh DLC career start exists.
>>98635805Sauce?
>>98636102It is now.
>>98636386https://www.deviantart.com/dmaxcustom/art/Hermes-2-1364228720
>>98636433Now that I have money, I can actually COMMISSION again. This guy will do.
>>98636443What are you commissioning if you don't mind me asking?>inb4 Coyote and Roadrunner from Girls und Mech
>>98636461That's an extremely dangerous question to be asking people.
>>98636461my OC Com Guards character with their Quickdraw
>>98636157Shit, are you talking about Hypernauts?
>>98636443>>98636534>>98636544Better be an erotic Wyvern custom.
>>98636273Fun fact: the Charger actually does do the highest amount of charge damage possible in the game. Charge damage scales with engine size (because it goes by both speed and weight), and the Charger gets a bonus from the rounding up that turns 5 walking speed into 8 running speed.(Using advanced rules, the highest charge damage is a theoretical 165 tonner that goes 3/5, for a 495-rated engine.)
>>98636616They gave it one job, so it threw its back into it.
>>98629988>>98630937>>98631142>>986327731, he is noted as having an older son close to graduating2, mechs get fucking hot, if you do not have a cooling vest the buildup can kill you (Star Lord, page 129 "you've got both PPC's online. We'll fry in this cockpit. This old 'Hammer can't vent heat like the ones your used to piloting", for context Trane and Duncan are in the cockpit of a commandered Warhammer without cooling vests). The MechWarrior is putting his daughter in a situation that could see her killed if he just happens to do target practice. Further his wife should know this, she is supposedly a veteran.3, why is daddy taking his daughter to work when his wife, the mother, is doing nothing. She's enjoying poetry, she should be watching the child. I'm going to use a real life example.I have a friend whom is a cleaner. Her husband is a have mechanic. If one of their children is off ill and neither is or can get off work she takes the child with her. Why? Because her job is relatively safe whereas her husbands job is dangerous. Same thing here, she's doing something peaceful and safe whereas he is doing something dangerous. Hell, what if he trips his mech and falls? Locusts do not have a rumble seat, so she's going to fall. The vibrations from the mech moving are going to mess her up if she slips off of his lap, where she is blocking him from piloting properly, and if he pushes his machine or uses the laser she's going to be at risk of heatstroke. Nome of it makes sense.Also I see you there manic, glad to see it's not just your father and grandfather who were fuckups.
>>98636735>have mechanicHgv mechanic. Autocorrect is a plague
>>98636735It's written in the libertarian spirit that permeates BT. No roads - No OSHA. Unpasteurized milk only.
>>98636735>why is daddy taking his daughter to work when his wife, the mother, is doing nothing.It's not just about providing childcare, it's also about exposing the daughter to being in a Mech.The cooling vest thing is retarded, though, you're right. But he probably didn't imagine he'd see combat, or if he did, he'd have time to drop her off first.Actually, he should have known that there was an enemy ship in-system. The Clans didn't use pirate points in the Invasion, so he would have had days of warning unless the planetary government was keeping it secret for some reason.
When organising lances, is speed the best thing to go off of initially?
>>98635440>Certainly her antipathy for the entire nerd and geek subculture was incredibly well documented, and she only took the job of CFO at TSR initially because the money was good, which, if her family hadn't mismanaged the Buck Rogers license, she probably wouldn't have needed.The Buck Rogers tthings is actually why she wanted the job, she directed the company to pay for and use the license which she personally benefited from.
>>98636807Organizing a lance in what sense? Do you mean all make them the same or similar speed or to choose your fastest/scout mech first?
>>98636591ZAMNForget aliums in BT. It needs robot people
>>98636807So first you have to know if the lance is alone or part of a company that it will deploy alongside. If you're only using the lance, then matching speeds doesn't matter, filling roles does.
>>98636807You think about what each guy is going to do. Usually the two most critical guys for me are fast guy and fat guy.
>>98636807Generally I build lances from most to least expensive mech. Depending on how you like to play it scout might be the last choice (a good way get very close to the exact BV with a super cheap scout, although I generally prefer more of a light/medium striker or skirmisher as a scout so I generally get my fastest mech second or third, generally something more like a phoenix hawk or nightsky than a locust.
>>98636807Do speed in pairs if you can. Demi-lances are the natural smallest unit type.
>>98636029> furthermore non-mechs are portrayed as actual effective if not top of the line combat units in Western media while in Eastern media tanks and artillery are just targets for mechs to destroy.Youre going a little too far there, non-mechs are still just targets to destroy in western mech settings
>>98636092Heavy Gear is eastern. Western mechs are always huge.
>>98636851Do NOT fuck a motorcycle
>>98636461That'll be easy.The Yandere Blakist chick having the time of her life, stomping, lasing, and burning infantry in her Mongoose with the most insane, gleeful smile on her face. She's a kid at the rodeo and the clown just got gored by the bull.
>>98637075Based and Toyamapilled.Praise be!
>>98637075>>98637149Honestly psycho mech warrior chicks are the best. Not some moralist bitching and moaning about civilians, she'll blow up an orphanage and claim it was a stray shot.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLIbbD_b9WY
>>98637163>and claim it was a stray shot.Weak.
>>98637075Just as Gyaru Waterley intended!
>>98637185Based. Everything I read about the Big Mac makes them better.
>>98637075>>98637149you blokes may be memeing but i unironically agree with ComStar and Word of Blake (within the context of the BT universe). though my personal politics are split between Toyama and True Believer.
>>98637219Same dude, thats why I drew her.Well, I drew her because of a joke, but I still feel very strongly for this Yandere Chick. She believes in the blessed Blake so why not I?
>>98637241Based.Hopefully the followers of the Blessed Blake will return and genocide the tubies, capellans and canopians (in that order).
>Black Knight>Grim Reaper>Shootist>Spartan>ExcaliburHow would you rank these from best to worst?
I am tempted to run a GuM Combine vs Comstar edition at some point mainly as an excuse to create Blakist Battle Nuns but not sure when I will have time.
>>98637259Honestly this is hard to judge cause it highly depends as each mech here fills a specific role rather well. Would need more context?
>>98637259Excalibur > Royal Black Knight > Shootist > Spartan > Grim Reaper > non-Royal Black Knight
>>98637277Looking for overall opinions and general utility.>>98637280Why the Excalibur as the best?
>>98637249Shes also got a Civilian Boyfriend that she is yandere for, but I've never actually designed him.Since I've got some free time today, any suggestions?
>>98637299>Why the Excalibur as the best?Gauss Rifle + LRM20 is a killer combination, and 5/8 is enough to stay at range.Armor is light, and it's definitely vulnerable to fast knife-fighting Mediums and Lights, but it's an all-around great 'Mech in my opinion.
>>98637320Real civilian, or non-combat ComStar/WoB?
>>98637259>Black KnightBest. Tough zombie Awesome reasoning.>Grim Reaper3050's knockoff ground Griffin. Good mech but comes too late in the timeline like most militia mechs.>ShootistFun with a big gun but too fucking rare to be relevant.>SpartanEven rarer than above.>ExcaliburGood guns but a glass canon.Black Knight is the winner by a mile.
>>98637280>>98637348The duality of man.
>>98637320Needs to be some random anime-tier faceless guy, either skeleton or chubby. Also, that craziness can happen in real life. I told my sorta-girlfriend yesterday that I turned down an invite from another woman, and her first reaction was literally "Is she pretty? Does she like girls? Can I watch?" It's like Jesus Christ woman, I was telling you to make more time for dates, and that I have options..
>>98635062>TACs don't exist. Your shots don't randomly phase through armor.Someones been huffing air dusters again.
>>98637299General utility Black Knight wins because zombie mech with all energy loadout. In general though I like the Excalibur more, its weapons all keep the same range bracket, it's fairly mobile, and those two partially make up for its long range. In general there's a lot more mechs (especially in the Succ Wars era) like the Black Knight than like the Excalibur.
>>98637339A true blue civilian, that her unit just seems to be occupying his world.
>>98637370Anime-tier faceless seems classic but I want this guy to have an actual character. It's been over a year and I don't even have a name for this dumbass yet. He's a dumbass if only because his incredible, terrible luck attracted a Blakist MechWarrior to him whose loaded with more mental issues than a magazine stand.
>>98637299>Looking for overall opinions and general utility.Well again each functions rather differently. Black Knight is essentially a tanky energy boat that usually puts in a good showing. I think it drops off in capabilities as newer mechs end up performing a similar niche but up till 3060s you can't go wrong with one. XL engine versions I feel defeat the purpose of the design and you might as well just get a Flashman at that stage.Grim Reaper I am not a fan of but its more a case I just don't like it rather than it being any bad. Its basically just a Griffin without jump jets. XL makes it a bit fragile but it can easily lay the hurt on at range. Its not something to say no to if offered one.Shootist is a bit underrated. It doesn't do anything exciting but you don't need it to do anything exciting. Its a big slab of metal that can tank hits and clobber anyone that comes close. If you are not running C3i the later variants are a bit of a waste though.Spartan is the most situational of the bunch arguably best for a campaign style play. You bring it because your TAG units keep getting destroyed before the Arrow IV lands or you need something that makes scout mech pilots crap their pants. Against most other units you have better options available but it certainly will keep people on their toes.Excalibur well its isn't the toughest thing around but its damn fast for its weight and its a skirmisher that's got the ability to make a hole and exploit them which is going to keep causing problems the longer its ignored. Its an excellent choice to have around in a 1vs1 or as fire support for a lance.>>98637320Shinji?
>>98637320The main point is that she'll have to defend him from the crazier Manei Domini girl advances. All good romcoms require tension.Flamethrowers add tension. The Malak has a flamethrower.
>>98637479What's with you and the Manei Domini Girl? I think I remember that guy not liking nuggets
>>98636735>This old 'Hammer can't vent heat like the ones your used to piloting", for context Trane and Duncan are in the cockpit of a commandered Warhammer without cooling vests)Star Lord was gayer than it had the right to be.
>>98637479She drives a mongoose.
>>98637493NTA but it was some shitheap out of a scrapyard they bare got online IIRC.
>>98637499There is a flamer Mongoose variant...
>>98637504Doesn't change the fact that they couldn't stand each other until after they had to get naked in a Warhammer together.
>>98637506IIRC she has a custom Mongoose with even extra flamers for more warcrimes.Anon should definitely be some Anime Protagonist Kun on an occupied Drac world during the siege of Luthien. Chubby NEET playing vidya even if he's part of the Ginja clans or an African-Samarkand.
>>98636370I guess every time a DLC came out before, I never reloaded an old save. I'd just start a new one from scratch.>>98636461Considering Roadrunner is my girl and I don't do commissions, not likely.>>98636616Das macht Spaß.
Im glad everyone enjoys the Yandere Chick. Don't quite recall what the reception was for my Mercenary whose so curvy she's got the Small Cockpit quirk in her Cossack.
>>98637506There's also a Mongoose that is a battleship. That would be a fun RS to mix up randomly.
>>98637544I like fat tits. She was great, but didn't get the development the first one did. I remember some anon being an asshole about her curviness, but sexy women exist in real life. Hell, my own lady wears a 34H. For some reason I remember that OC being a Lyran of some stripe.
>>98637402it'd be funny if he's someone who joined Word of Blake but didn't quite understand it before
>>98637544Don't think her ass was as fun to mock.
>>98637562He could be one of the regular comstar infrastructure guys that works in the local post office or the cell phone company or even a teller at the bank.
>>98637560>34H. My ex was/is 52H. Oh how I miss em. Alas.The OC wasn't of Lyran support, she was more of... Well, she was attached to a unit that *was*, she was just in it for the money, but being a solitary Mechwarrior/Mechtech on her own machine, with no other company to support her, you gotta do what you gotta do.>>98637567Ah yes, the accidental "You're driving this thing too fast/too hard, knock it off!" Ass smack.>>98637562See one idea I had was that she was going to steadily try and convert him like how Mormons do it, by being incredibly nice and bringing him to a Comstar/Blakist Approved Church that she goes too.This is funny, because while she prays and does all this, when shes not on leave shes actually in her Battlemech murderizing civilians, crushing opposition, and burning anything that doesn't approve of Blake. Did you know his favorite movie rental store was scortched to cinders because it contain material that the Word didn't approve of? At least he got to keep "Mad Max: The Furious Road of Redemption Part II".
>>98637573The original idea was that he was a tech-y guy who worked for the equavalent of the Geek Squad.
>>98637573Would work perfectly. She just sees him one time and becomes obsessed. I'm a teller at a bank and that's how I met my girlfriend.>>98637598Well remember how Mormonism is incremental in what it teaches converts? Blakism is the same way. Imagine she meets him and starts blabbing about Blakist info that lower Initiates and Acolytes aren't privy to, then when she realises how low on the totem pole he is she becomes obsessed with teaching him the TRUE mysteries of Blake.
For Blakist GF anonI swear if the next challenge in the mech industrial complex thread is anti-infantry I'm submitting this as an entry
>>98637620I can see it now. Because his world was conquered by the Blakists, all churches must go through Blakist Approved Forms. Because of this, he is technically a practicing Catholic-Blakist. And she just LOVES it.>>98637662Oh I love this. Not quite the original that I had thought up - all that happened was that it was a Mongoose-76 with the mouth-mounted laser removed and turned into an ER Flamer. But this is from the ground up designed to massacere civvies. I love it, and she would too.
>>98637674It's been 1,000 years in Battletech. What Commandment have the Catholics re-written in those 1,000 years this time?
>>98637688>Thou shall not bear false witness.
>If you are victorious, so be it. The Clan will be bettered by having a new, competent, MechWarrior. If you are not, the death of the incompetent is the death of a feeble progeny and a testament to our glorious method.wait, I thought the Clans were the good guysthis sounds like some nazi eugenics shite
>>98637719>I thought the Clans were the good guysThen you never read the Blood of Kerensky Trilogy or the OG Invasion.
>>98637719>this sounds like some nazi eugenics shiteAlways has been. Which is why its hilarious that there are people at CGL and sarna who are going out their way to say unironically that Clan culture is something we should aspire to and emulate.
>>98637719They are a Star League Successor polity.So they are definitionally wrong and evil.
>>98637775the faction whose war cry was "One Species, One Realm" is... evil?
>>98637320Thought about making the bf a descendant of Combine pervert?
>>98637792Their methods basically killed the Periphery. Taurian Concordat in particular has never recovered from the damage the Star League did to them but then again they were the only true rival to the Terran Hegemony and they couldn't tolerate such a rival.
>>98637804Hey I drew that guy too. I miss drawing in these threads. I never have time for it anymore.
>>98637804https://youtu.be/G-Se-oR8FWE
>>98637792How is that evil? It's correct.>>98637814I only wish they'd genocided every Taurian, Canopian and Rimmer there was.
>>98637837Hey now, I have a Canopus OC. She's...A moron.
>>98637792The problem with "ein reich, ein volk" is that it sounds great until you look at it from the reverse side. It's not just the ethnic homogeneity, it's that by extension you as a member of it's claimed demographic have no right to exist outside of its jurisdiction. The right to fuck off and go live somewhere else is foundational to a stable society, because by staying you are therefore choosing to be a part of it and be invested in it. Being compelled to stay in a system that is unsuitable for you breeds resentment that leads to uprisings and all manner of civil chaos.(Note that no other state has an obligation to take you in if you decide to fuck off, but you're likely to find something that's suitable enough to your tastes that's willing to.)
>>98637814Having the periphery be ultra powerful in the past was a lame plot point desu
>>98637719Clan society is literally centered around a thing they call the Eugenics Program.
>>98637847You said Canopian twice?
>>98637858Why? There's no intrinsic reason it shouldn't be, especially if the clanners can become more advanced and developed than the star league.
>>98637858how? the older periphery realms started with no less than the great houses, and at the same time. them being at least as strong maintains internal consistency for the setting.
>>98637858With the IS constantly warring with one another to the point of collapse, the periphery would be in a better place.
>>98637900that's a good point, they weren't as affected by the Age of War and so had a chance to build up
>>98637920Most of it was either non-existent during the age of war or formed by refugees from the age of war who have what they could bring with them and nothing else.
>Be me>Playing MW5:M>Infiltration mission>Piloting JR7-P>Running around, infiltrating, decide I've done enough and it's time to leave.>Running full speed w/MASC activated>Enemy spotted>Order Lance to go weapons free>Game closes>F4 is button to tell lance to hold/open fire>Alt is button for using MASC>Gave open fire order while using MASC>D'oh!
>>98637868She's a Cat Girl MechWarrior who would be better suited in a show in New New Vegas than in her Valkyrie.
hey artist dude you should draw the Blakist ass
>>98637943I use ALT for my push-to-talk button. Opening the scoreboard has caused me more than a few deaths over the years.
>>98637943Oof
Taurians really are the dwarves of battletech. Bunch of midget miners who peaked early but all their past accomplishments are behind them and rather than get off their asses and do something about it sit in their fortified nebula complaining how every woe upon them is a result of those Davion elves!
>>98637938Most of what?
>>98637984can't get shit done without a patron writershould have embraced xin sheng, they'd have blakist-built factories and new mech regiments falling out of their assholes then
>>98637943See, this is why I just plug an X-box controller in.
>>98637792What they were doing was throwing their lot in with a limited number of space nations.They did that by militarily supporting those nations' conquest of the rest of them.
>>98637858They weren't. They were on par with the future succ states, before the Hegemony put their battleships and armies on the scale.
made my own schiltron based loosely on the japanese type 96 APC.
>>98638209neat!is it a kurita make?
>>98638247It is, it's related to the Tokugawa heavy tank allegedly.
>>98638254very based, loved seeing RL stuff influencing BT designsespecially japanese stuff
>>98638274Unfortunately I find that a lot of the time I lose a lot of the essence of the IRL thing when it comes to battleteching-up the thing. But I'm also a complete amateur so I think it works out okay.
>>98638288it's no problem, the important thing is the inspiration the coordinator would be proud
So I was rereading Decision at Thunder Rift for the first time in years, and it got me wondering: why are "sink units" even a thing if BattleMechs are so valuable?Statistically speaking shouldn't it be possible to find 100 or so loyal pilots for a mech regiment (for example) on a planet of a few million people?Why give 'Mechs to ANYONE not loyal? Or is it just fluff thing to add tension to the universe and I shouldn't think too hard about it?
>Stormcrow TC drills 36 damage into the opponent's CT, killing it instantlyGod I love this mech, it just doesn't fucking miss
>>98638310Early/3025 lore is a lot heavier about 'Mechs being privately owned. You don't build a unit by buying mechs and hiring pilots, you do it by contracting people who have mechs to drive them for you,
>>98636735Kraken, shut your stupid ass gob; Dad was specifically fucked up BECAUSE his elder brother died so young, and I can't imagine how having the best friend bleed out in his arms affected Grandpa.>3, why is daddy taking his daughter to work when his wife, the mother, is doing nothing. She's enjoying poetry, she should be watching the child.She's at a book club.Sure, not a GREAT excuse, but do we know how important this book club is to the social fabric of the settlement?We know the Daughter is enough of a brat that the brother AND mother have had enough of her, so who knows what kind of social damage could come from bringing her to an important get-together.And I'll bet you a Heavy Goods Vehicle Mechanic has had to bring their daughter to work more than once, because reality is unrealistic like that!>>98636803>Actually, he should have known that there was an enemy ship in-system. The Clans didn't use pirate points in the Invasion, so he would have had days of warning unless the planetary government was keeping it secret for some reason.See, THIS is a bigger plothole; How is it the Clans keep getting the drop on these planets when they have to burn out to them for about a week?!Even Summerset, a MILITARY ACADEMY, didn't start mustering until the Clans were landing right on top of them.>>98637446>Shinji?Shinji.
Shoutout to all the anons craving a blakist gf, one of the mercs of my OC merc lineage got a (fomer) manei domini baddie too, cause why the fuck not, he can have her as a treat for how comically bleak his family's life is
>>98638018What is currently the periphery. When the age of war started, Skye was in "the periphery".
>>98638419I guess that explains why they had an equal footing in terms of building up
>>98637852Yeah it's always the clans killing off the deep periphery nations. As lame as it is, I don't think there's a single nation in Battletech that actually shows any capacity to survive long-term that isn't a Clan or a House.
>>98638419By the time the age of war started the Lyran Commonwealth had existed for 50 years. I'd hardly call one of the most inner portions of one of the largest states the periphery.
>>98638312The lack of a twin PPC Stormcrow is a crime.
>>98638459Skye was in the Outer Reaches during the rebellion that killed the Terran Alliance. Remember, they were using jumpships with 20ly jumps, not 30. That means everything is way further away.
>>98637719Retard-kun, the clans have always had an extremely robust eugenics program. They are extremely anti-human. It's amazing that you would think they are the "good guys" when they are the setting's aliens more or less
>>98638458Quite a few have been around for centuries and survive still in 3152, but you're right about the Clans picking off little Periphery nationlets with a veracity the Houses and the SL never displayed. In the scarcity time you could use the "piranha pool" excuse as to why, say, the Combine didn't just absorb the OA wholesale.
>>98638504There's a lot of people who get their knowledge of the Clans entirely through secondary media like vidya and there are also people who have never opened a sourcebook in their lives.
>>98638499Age of War started 150 years after the Outer Reaches Rebellion
>>98637869>especially if the clanners can become more advanced and developed than the star leagueThey only manage to do that in select fields, they never fully reattain what Amaris destroyed in other areas; there's no Clanner DOME, for example.
>>98638555But what about all those Belters anon? Clearly they will teach the Wolf Empire all the lost secrets of the Star League?
>>98638559Alaric is the second dipshit to actively fuck with them, after Amaris. He's not going to get much out of them.
>>98638559he looks like that one actor with the country accent that always seems to say the n-word in movies
>>98638559It's not a certainty they retained anything so advanced from back in the SL heyday, if they did they certainly didn't use it anywhere ComStar could see. What little lore we have about the Belters suggests, to me, that they don't waste time, space, resources, or anything else on anything not of immediate need or use to them. They probably are not the BT Library of Alexandria.
I want to take the F-14/F-111 Aardvark and turn it into Conventional Aircraft for militia units to spam. Any suggestions on overall design language?Also, SHOULD I draw the Blakist's ass, and what would the context be there for it?
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>>98638559I fucking hate the Belters, just like I fucking hate the Manei Domini. Those are not appropriate to the genre!And it makes less than zero sense that James McKenna, who literally built his empire on space superiority, would allow a bunch of uncontrolled anarchists in his fucking home city.
>>98638619The BT Belters are Larry Niven Belters, to a T. Almost to the degree that Niven could have a decent case for a law suit.>>98638569Walton Goggins
>>98638631still gonna gas them
>>98638608We know they've got medical tech that would make the Canopians cry. They're far and away the least impacted by events. The Terran Alliance falling apart didn't affect them because it ignored them and they ignored it, the Terran Hegemony got them to agree to pretend they were subjects of it, but otherwise left them alone. Amaris tried to tyranize them but they just retreated further into their asteroid fields and supported the SLDF when it came back. Comstar got them to agree to not export high tech stuff outside of the Terra system, but otherwise left them alone. WoBstar didn't change anything about the arrangement. The RotS convinced them to participate in its navy but otherwise left them alone. Woof blew up the naval academy full of the Belters best and brightest, then demanded they fully submit to a thorough yiffing, which hasn't yielded many results aside from clan patrols going missing.
>>98638555Technological growth is sporadic if not outright random. That's not to say that the periphery should be the equals or periphery of the Star League in all areas, but the fact that say Nueva Castile which existed since before 2400 has invented literally nothing whatsoever of note in almost 700 years is stupid. The states of the periphery have no intrinsic reason to be backwaters. What prevented Nueva Castile, the Jarnfolk, the New Delphi Compact, the Samoyedic Colonies, the Umayyad Caliphate, the Hanseatic League, or the Axumite Providence from developing technology over centuries of relative isolation? Why did humans explore from Terra to Nueva Castile (with enough colonies to form multi-planet nations in Nueva Castile) in under 300 years, but over the following 750 years the furthest expansion of humanity was the Star League Exile fleet and barring that the biggest colonization effort has been the Fronc Reaches? You figure one of these periphery realms living in relative or absolute peace for centuries would launch some colonization projects of their own or maybe develop some new weapons or technologies or literally anything.
>>98638657Huh. Why DID colonization stop?If the ilKhan can restart that. I'll be impressed.
>>98638657I agree. Only thing I can think of is inability to produce new KF drives or something.
>>98638668Because the TA declared everything more than two jumps away from Terra is independent now and then withdrew all of its ships and told everyone they'd be shot upon entry.So the colonies were busy dying, reestablishing trade lanes, forming new space nations, and then recolonizing dead worlds before running headlong into each other and starting wars. Why push out when there's so much space to backfill? Why push out when you've got those fuckers over there on at least three different sides of you that need nuking?
>>98638673Which is flawed, as we see them craft new Jumpships by the dozen, per nation, per year.
>>98638673Most places can't make KF drives. It takes either a full blown orbital shipyard or a massive mobile shipyard. And transporting intact KF cores is a headache and a half that takes twice as long as transporting anything else because a KF core inside the field of another cores jump field is a guarantee event horizon type situation.
>>98638682>Why push out when there's so much space to backfill?What space did the deep periphery fail to backfill? What about the Taurian Concordat? Using the primary example I gave Nueva Castile was never under the Terran Alliance nor dependent on it in any sense and had nothing to backfill.
>>98638696And no new places could ever develop building KF drives? That's like imagining that if all of the world suddenly cut off from each other that countries that don't currently manufacture jet engines couldn't manufacture them even after centuries of isolation.
>>98638720How many of those places have teams of PHD level theoretical astrophysicists? Even the IS struggled with making KF drives from first principles. For a lot of the succession wars, the only drives being made were exact copies of already existing designs, because none of them had the resources to design new ones without the risk of misjumps.
>>98638710The deep periphery doesn't have the benefit of centuries of accumulated terraforming. Many planets in the inner sphere are the result of decades or centuries of slow terraforming processes that required a ton of resources and patience. Does Nuevo Castille need to turn a hot, sulphuric ball into a livable world? Do they need to dump greenhouse gasses onto some frozen hellscape so that it becomes slightly less frozen? Do they have such a large excess of population that they want to shove off world for political brownie points or so they don't need to see them ever again?
>>98638736Probably at least a handful, and every colony has a jump drive and people who operate it which provides some basis of understanding to recreate or improve over centuries. The issue isn't the technology, the issue is the number of worlds/civilizations and the sheer timescale. Earth went from modern technology to KF Drives in a century, but somehow Nueva Castile/Hanseatic region, Finnish colonies, Axumite Providence, Jarnfolk, and New Delphi Compact couldn't recreate the technology over the course of over half a millennium with a far larger combined population base, and working drives to study? If you suddenly killed off every single nuclear engineer on earth and destroyed all hard data on reactor designs not critical to the operation of them humanity could start building new reactors before 2500.
Why hasn't anyone come up with a new method of FTL?
>>98638785Because no fundamentally new technologies can ever be developed after the fall of the star league. It's a cosmic law.
>>98638770Humans on earth can dig up new radioactive sources. Some two world deep space nation can't just conjure up a new jump core if they break the extremely specifically made one they have. Even if they know what it's made of, do they know the precise mix? Can they even purify the elements enough? Can they figure out the geometry without breaking it? If they fuck it up, they're completely cooked. The Coreward Confederacy couldn't keep their jumpships running and ended up as a collection of isolated planets that used to be in a space nation. They can see the light from each others stars and that's about it for their ability to communicate.
>>98638770>every colony has a jump drive and people who operate itLot of assumptions in that, because a breakdown or destruction/capture by naughty neighbors who also have those things might leave said colony floating in the breeze, surviving on only what their world can provide.
>>98637219Im not meming brother in Blake.I await call for final transfer.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fhVbzdpB9wU
>>98638794>Humans on earth can dig up new radioactive sources.And people on colonies can dig up germanium. You're talking about resources, not knowledge or technology.> Even if they know what it's made of, do they know the precise mix? Can they even purify the elements enough? Can they figure out the geometry without breaking it?They can do this amazing thing called research, and studying, and experimentation. Also the people who operate it likely need to know the basic principles of operation. A nuclear plant's operator might not be able to build a plant from scratch, but have them studying and researching, and teaching younger generations and I have no doubt whatsoever that if you killed off every nuclear scientist on earth and destroyed all design documents not necessary for plants to function then you'd still have new reactor designs in a generation or 20.
>>98637320He is mektech
How did ComStar even win at Tukayyid?Conventional experience shows it takes 3 Inner Sphere mech regiments to beat 1 Clan cluster. The Clans brought 88 or so clusters to Tukayyid, and Com Guards only brought 50 mech regiments. It should have taken a Com Guard army 5x its size to win.
>>98638872>And people on colonies can dig up germanium. You're talking about resources, not knowledge or technology.They have to smelt it absolutely perfectly, in a zero gravity environment. It has to be completely pure, all the way through. It has to be exactly the correct shape. If anything is incorrect, it's being sent halfway back to Terra and the crew will be rendered into a molecular paste. How many times can you build a 3 meter wide, absolutely pure semi-sphere (precisely correct in its semi-sphericalness) made of materials that most technology can only render as a dirty byproduct of mining other materials? How many times can you build a massive hull with huge, precisely calibrated capacitor banks? How many people can you get to volunteer on a suicide run? How many generations of scientists can your society support doing nothing except designing new suicide machines that each individually cost a serious fraction of your GDP?
>>98638896>How did ComStar even win at Tukayyid?Cheating
>>98638928You can't cheat at war, Lieutenant.
>>98638791Imagine if people thought that after the fall of the Roman Empire. It took a while, but the world did eventually recover and even advance further.
>>98638942Ypu can when your enemy has rules ypu dont need to follow.
>>98638896Author fiat. The grogs were throwing temper tantrums about the clans so they had to write the clans losing even though it didn't make sense.
>>98638945The dark age refers to a lack of sources, not a lack of technology
>>98638917>They have to smelt it absolutely perfectly, in a zero gravity environment. It has to be completely pure, all the way through. It has to be exactly the correct shape. Barring the zero gravity all of that is true to refine fuel for a nuclear bomb.>If anything is incorrect, it's being sent halfway back to Terra and the crew will be rendered into a molecular paste. How many times can you build a 3 meter wide, absolutely pure semi-sphere (precisely correct in its semi-sphericalness) made of materials that most technology can only render as a dirty byproduct of mining other materials? Plenty of times probably. Also tons of people died in the process of developing and mastering nuclear fission, didn't stop anyone from doing it. Also if it's so impossible how was it invented in the first place with no prior knowledge of how to build it and nobody who had experience working with KF drives?>How many times can you build a massive hull with huge, precisely calibrated capacitor banks? >How many people can you get to volunteer on a suicide run? Scientists in the Manhattan project were killing themselves for fun practically, SL-1 involved a guy willingly impaling himself to a roof with a control rod, Christopher Columbus got three whole ships of people to cross the Atlantic when nobody (himself included) believed America existed and the estimates for the earth's circumference were such that Columbus would have run out of supplies somewhere in Mexico if there wasn't a ton of unknown land in the way. Life is cheap, especially in the face of fame or riches.>How many generations of scientists can your society support doing nothing except designing new suicide machines that each individually cost a serious fraction of your GDP?How many generations of scientists did it cost Terra in the first place? Also that's most scientists honestly. How useful is the LHC in collectively advancing humanity? The ISS? The Hubble Space Telescope?
>>98638896>You need nearly two companies of IS mechs to take a single star of clan mechsdoubt.png
>>98638966>Also if it's so impossible how was it invented in the first place with no prior knowledge of how to build it and nobody who had experience working with KF drives?It was built by a unified earth government with access to multiple PhD level theoretical astrophysics programs and not a colony living out of prefabs hooked up to a dropship engine that they didn't build.
>>98638966>How many times can you build a massive hull with huge, precisely calibrated capacitor banks?Whoops forgot this. Constantly? We can do that with 21st century technology. A Gerald Ford class carrier is over twice the weight of an explorer jump ship.
>>98638969No but see, if you assume nobody in the IS has anything better armored than a warhammer 6R and crusader trueborn will obey orders to never close with the enemy, it's possible.
>>98638966>Plenty of times probablyThe Marians wouldn't exist if Germanium was easily had anywhere in the galaxy.
>>98638987That's on earth. You need to build pretty much everything jumpship related in space.
>>98638993You can get iron most places, but if I somehow came into possession of thousands of tons of iron bars, I could potentially sell it to finance a criminal enterprise if I were so inclined.
>>98638983>It was built by a unified earth government with access to multiple PhD level theoretical astrophysics programs and not a colony living out of prefabs hooked up to a dropship engine that they didn't build.Again they have centuries to develop multiple PhD level theoretical astrophysics programs. You don't think that if you got a few thousand people including specialists able to operate a KF drive and dropped them on a planet with no further outside interference (which isn't true because most of the deep periphery still has distant trade ties to the IS) that over three quarters of a millennium that they would be able to reproduce it? For reference 750 years ago Europeans were just learning about gunpowder and sailing across the Atlantic with no stops was essentially impossible.
>>98638993That's like saying Saudia Arabia wouldn't exist if oil was easily had anywhere else. You can find enough to at least start the colonization renaissance, earth did after all.
>>98638896Lore equivalencies are 1 Star = 1 Company, which actually works out decently with BV.
>>98635900>while their opponents play with unoptimised units they find fun or coolLiterally me. I have a Merc company filled with shitty mechs I picked because they are shit or I think look cool. Most people in my LGS are clanners who love their jumping pulse boats. Constantly get stomped but I don't care, still have fun. Last game I had my banshee fell into lava three times over the course of two turns. Last time it did the mech fell over and insta melted in the lava Schwarzenegger style. Next turn my only hover APC sideslipped into the hole left by the banshee. Good laugh.As for shitty mechs, my company has a Victor, Charger and a shadowhawk. For a light maybe a flea? I got a locust and a javelin though I don't know if they are shit or not (got less than 10 games under my belt). Don't know if it's considered shit or not but I love my hunchback (4/6 so a little slower than what your looking for). Died in every game I've taken it but it's fun beelining it at my opponent blasting away with the AC20 until I get into punching range.
>>98638957Tukayyid was always planned, friend. It's in the Blood of Kerensky trilogy.
>>98639016Saudi Arabia wasn't founded by someone who discovered an oil deposit and decided to put a nation on it instead of a corporate extraction colony.
>>98639011>specialists able to operate a KF driveThis involves pressing buttons on a computer. Do you know what a jumpship crew does if anything goes wrong in their core? They put out an SOS signal. They do not have any of the specialized equipment to work on it onboard. Nobody does. If the core cracks, the only thing you can do with it is melt it down and reforge it from the ground up. There are precisely zero people in the setting who are experts at repairing a KF core, because that isn't a thing you can do.
>>98639058Sure, but without oil it would be a wholly irrelevant desert shithole with under a tenth of its current population. The point is that a resource can be found and highly valuable enough that a large cache of it is enough to build a nation on while still not being so rare that it can't be found anywhere. KF drives existed well before the Marian Hegemony. It's rare, it's not the spice from Dune that only comes from one planet period.
>>98639072>This involves pressing buttons on a computer.So exactly what a nuclear reactor operator does?
A reminder that the IS at large completely lost the ability to work with the underlying physics of jump ships until Helm. They could only make existing designs because nobody had specialized scientists for it.
>>98639081Tomatoes, cucumbers.Making a "functional" nuclear reactor actually isn't that difficult. You can make it scrappy and bad and it will still irradiate everything nearby while boiling water. A poorly made jump core just misjumps. You can't get useful results from it.
>>98638896Your implying Comstar only used Battlemechs.They did not. Artillery does wonders against Clan Battlemechs and Battlearmor.
>>98639099And yet between first starting research and the first prototype (which worked) was only five years. You figure if it was so absolutely impossible to develop that half a dozen civilizations scattered across hundreds of worlds couldn't develop in centuries that earth alone couldn't develop it in a mere 5 years from start to prototype.All of this also ignores that you don't need multiple KF drives to colonize. When planet A has enough people to go forth send a ton of people on the jump ship and have them go to planet B. Repeat as desired.
>>98638896Comstar brought like a dozen Level V units. They had enough vehicles to pave the battlefield in tanks.
>>98639105Not during the Clan invasion. RCTs got tore to pieces by clusters despite having artillery, infantry, armor, etc.Hence why people focus on the mech ratio as three regiments to one cluster.
>>98639126Not really, they brought nearly three times as many mechs as tanks.A vehicle level I really should be 2 or more tanks.
>>98639129Hack fraud authors forgetting the size of an RCT is a separate thing entirely to how effective an IS force is against a clan formation.
>>98639129Tukayyid was set up as a deathtrap with them entrenching conventional forces and setting up minefields and killzones for weeks before the trial. Then you had the advanced tech of comstar forces.Rooftop Alacorns was an actual tactic.
If I had ten 300mm smart artillery pieces, could I take out a cluster of clan mechs using the tactics in place in Ukraine?
>>98639162lol just made me imagine the Clan hitting planet Ukraine and losing a cluster to drones, missiles and doorbell traps
>>98639162No, mostly because the drone-arty combo was so OP that the entire meta has warped around it and now you avoid putting enough units on one mapsheet to be worth throwing arty at.
>>98639088ROM assassinating the ones they did have didn't help. It's honestly amazing they didn't smuggle a dirty bomb onto NAIS.
>>98639141The primary strategy wasn't to beat the clans but to bleed em out as much as possible. The clans suck at protractive battles because the majority of Clan Batchalls where decided on quick decisive battles.
>>98638917>It has to be completely pure, all the way through.It's a Germanium Titanium alloy...
>>98639200NAIS had a forcefield around itThough now I wonder how many ROM commandos gained entry during the infamous raid
>>98639141>Tukayyid was set up as a deathtrapIt was the least Comstar could do after selling out the Inner Sphere by secretly cooperating with the Clans.
>>98639207A pure alloy. No tin, no aluminum, nothing else. The one consistent point on jump cores is that they must be absolutely perfect.
>>98639201Clans actually rock at protractive battles, normally. Or rather, sequential battles. It let them rape the IS forces sideways in the invasion. "Oh, we both got our forces shot up? Good thing we have omnimechs that can be repaired in a tenth the time, and swapped out to loadouts convenient to the next tactical situation." Old IS forces were used to disengaging when their mechs were near crippled and then repairing but the clanners are just so much better and faster at it. Just imagine Star Colonel Fuckface showing up in the same machine he was hammering you with missiles with n the plains, except now it's mint again and mounts dual UAC20's because you thought you would be cute and draw him into the city.Tukayyid worked because the clans weren't just fighting C*, they were competing with each other at the same time, plus it being a single drawn out battle instead of a sequence of smaller ones. That's what really kicked the legs out from under them on the bidding and fighting front.
>>98639217>NAIS had a forcefield around itMore like Dr Banzai is just that badass.>>98639218Just imagine if Scorpion was a few years after Tukayyid and only the Clan OZ's. Boy, that would have been a hoot.
>>98639218It made sense. The Great Houses were fucking retards that wouldn't stop fighting, so cooperating with the invasion let the Houses fight and let ComStar buy time to learn more about the Clans. They always intended to defeat the Clans anyway.
>>98639238>It made sense.>You're Star League?>We're Star League!Barely better than Raven Alliance logic, but not atypical for writing in the universe.>The Great Houses were fucking retards that wouldn't stop fightingIt had nothing to do with that. It was to prevent the Davions becoming the head of a new Star League and Comstar losing its power. They wanted everyone constantly divided and fighting. Everything coming together and getting peaceful robs Comstar of its mission.
>>98639238truefuck the houses
>>98639232>A pure alloy. No tin, no aluminum, nothing else.Yeah, that's how a lot of modern Alloys work...
>>98639246>Space Furries>Toaster CultistsYeah I'm sure they'd see each other as Star League.>It had nothing to do with that.It had everything to do with that. The Houses kept fighting, and Davion started the 4th Succession War while ComStar was trying to create balance to prevent a war. And the Inner Sphere was preparing for the next war, not coming together and getting peaceful.
>>98639234Omnimechs are only easier to repair in the extremely marginal circumstance of a weapon being crit without any structure being damaged.
>>98639257>Davion started the 4th Succession War while ComStar was trying to create balance to prevent a war.Davion was upsetting the balance by threatening to actually win the endless wars slowly strangling humanity to the point Comstar could save them and take over. They even say this. Just read Waterley's own dialogues in Heir to the Dragon.
>>98639246>It had nothing to do with that. >It was to prevent the Davions becoming the head of a new Star Leaguethe latter disproves the former. davion wasn't gaining the lead by peace but by war.
>>98639260No dude, read the fluff. Whole limbs for standard pod variants like Prime's, A's, B's, etc. plug in like fucking legos. Even legs! The removed section may take some time to repair, but if you got the spares, you swap them in and rock and roll.
>>98639264Winning the wars the houses were starting and forcing on humanity.ComStar was trying to create a balance to stop the wars:>The Primus nodded. "The current political situation in the Successor States depends upon maintaining a balance. If any Successor Lord believes he or she is powerful enough to conquer a neighbor, humanity will once again be plunged into the maelstrom of war. Davion broke that balance and killed 100 million people.Hell, Waterly is only in power in Heir to the Dragon because of Davion.
>>98639280This is like saying D-Day broke the peace of the western front
>>98639234No they didn't. Just a reminder that the last time the clans had a Total War event was the Wolverine Extermination but beyond that they hadn't fought a real actual war in over 200 years. Its why that whenever things start lasting longer then standard clan batchalls do you see the Clan Ego get in the way of war.
>>98639272I think you are misremembering something. That is simply not it any of the rules I have ever read.
>>98639301I feel like we're confusing sucks at logistics with sucks at multiple battles. Because they usually were retarded at planning for long term fight parts and bullets, but the tech itself was insane if you kept the goodies flowing. The Wolves especially made use of this at Tukayyid.
>>98639290Akin to saying the 1939 invasion of Poland was everything coming together and getting peaceful.
>>98639309>The Wolves especially made use of this at Tukayyid.The Wolves are called out multiple times as being the only Clan to worry about logistics on Tukayyid.
>>98639309Sucks at Logistics means you suck at multiple battles. Its cool that you one your first two battles but you still got a third to get through and you've already burned through 3/4's of your autocannon ammunition and what little ammuniton stores you had where completely where either strafed by Comstars aerospace support or completely whacked by artillery fire.
>>98639333One=Won sorry drinking time.
>>98639305Swapping out pods and pod configs is a .5x multiplier on standard rearming (StratOps). It takes half the time of reloading a standard Autocannon to change to a new config.
>>98639310The Lyrans and FedSuns creating a durable peace between them represents an enormous shift in a 5 way war that had been happening for 240 years. The Capellans and Combine made it clear they would never engage in good faith diplomacy, and never be anything but a blight on their neighbors, who again, they were in a declared war with.
>>98639340Are arms and legs pod mounted? What about side torsos and engine crits? Is armor? Are omnimechs actually meaningfully easier to repair?
>>98639368
>>98639368By fluff, yes. A new config is often swapping in new arms and torsos. Just look at the difference in a Vulture Prime and a Vulture C. The whole torsos unplug. This is also behind the identical look in a lot of the first wave Invasion Omnis limbs. The damaged parts still need to be repaired the normal way, but you can just swap to a new config or new parts as easy as rearming and go. Omnis are so fucking broken.
>>98639346Davions pick and chose. A Liao proposal in the past to a First Prince to give up their claim to the First Lordship and back the Davion claim in exchange for the Chesterton worlds was rejected outright. It mattered who the offer came from, to Davion at least, stability was a secondary concern to them.
>>98639394>waaah, you didn't entertain our completely delusional territorial ambition, warmonger Aren't you getting a bit carried away with the CCP larp?
>>98639218Never ceases to amaze me how so many people will praise ComStar for fighting against the clans and completely ignore that they helped the clans with the initial invasion. ComStar have always been the ultimate baddies of the setting, as evidenced by when they went full mask of with WOB and just ruined everything.
>>98639141Tukayyid was essentially Comstar's Kursk>We have prepared this ground for battle, come and take it>We did it, we defeated them after weeks of preparation and massive, grievous casualties!
>>98639469>We did it Patrick. We saved the Inner Sphere!
>>98639234Also, if at any point the clans decided to go back on their word, then the entire IS was still screwed anyway.Imagine an alternate timeline in which after Tukayid the clans reacted differently. Instead of calling a truce, the loss got all the clans to stop being in a pissing match with eachother so much and work together better. They also report back to the homeworlds and the rest of the clans throw their full support into the invasion. The IS wants to party and live it up just to find out that the 7 clans they beat were still holding back and now 12 more clans are on their way. All Batchals and bidding is canceled. Warship use is now authorized. It's actually laughable how screwed the IS was and that they only survived because the clans let them. Yet the IS called it a victory. A victory so great that 100 years later the clans are still occupying conquered systems. It was all such a massive cope and delusion to avoid facing the reality that they were spared.But hey, don't let that little fact stop you from enjoying a Tex video on it. I like those too, even with the obvious biases.
>>98639051>As for shitty mechs, my company has a Victor, Charger and a shadowhawk. For a light maybe a flea? I got a locust and a javelin though I don't know if they are shit or not (got less than 10 games under my belt). Don't know if it's considered shit or not but I love my hunchback (4/6 so a little slower than what your looking for). Died in every game I've taken it but it's fun beelining it at my opponent blasting away with the AC20 until I get into punching range.Actually starting to think something like this>Banshee BNC-3EOnly 4 walk speed but at 95 tons and with only 15 maximum damage in a single volley>Charger CGR-1A1Classic underarmed, underarmored, but can run pretty fast>Exterminator EXT-4AA bunch of medium lasers but if it jumps and fires all its lasers it builds up heat fast>Quickdraw QKD-4G5 Jump but only 2 forward medium lasers and an SRM 4. Good rear facing firepower thoughHighly inefficient, but comes in at only 4967 BV for all 4/5 pilots and a lance where five mechs have 5 walk speed, two have 5 jump, and the main fire support mech still has 4 walk speed.
>>98639452Cry all you want, the point stands: Davion could have moved the needle by the Second Succession War and chose not to out of petty spite. They do not, and did not, care about establishing a durable peace. Steiner was no threat to the FedSuns, and had prime teen cunny to offer; if Liao had offered the same to Hanse, he'd have rejected it, because he was a pigfucking warmonger at heart, as you say.
>>98639469It's not like they were breaking the rules. Clans invaded, Comstar defended, both sides understood the game, the Clans just couldn't help themselves when bidding down against an enemy they wildly underestimated.
>>98639535Such a proposal coming from Max or Romano Liao would have been insanely obviously a lie. Candace gets to live in her breakaway state with a government provided husband because she proved she could be reasonable.
>>98639546>Candace gets to live in her breakaway state with a government provided husband because she proved she could be reasonable.And how'd that work out for them? Their rump state is back speaking Mandarin.
>>98639561Fiat retardation of letting Sunny become First Lord and Boypussy Allard-Liao not putting up a fight because VSD's femboy princess. Please, understand.
>>98639392Fluff doesn't matter. What do the rules say? Can Omni armor be repaired faster than normal Mech armor? What about structure? I don't care what some tranny wrote in a novel that isn't canon anyway. Quote rules or cede the argument.
>>98639567>Rules 100% reflect the universe.>Ignoring that fluff is more is more canon than rules.First, false premise. Second, you already got the rearming rules. That covers everything but fixed equipment in non-swap areas like the CT. So, yes, you have to fix your armor or internal structure or engine or cockpit hits in the core, normally. You don't have to give a fuck outside that. Now how easy does that make a repair when your arm is blown off? God damn near magical.
I continue to believe that fast omnimech repair times guy simply misunderstood something, but also normal repair times are a matter of hours, not days.
>>98639563I understand all too well. St Ives got thrown under the bus like so many others have, just so CGL and its deluded predecessors can glaze garbage factions that shouldn't still be around 100 years later.
>>98639625Look at the back of any of the OG Omni mini packs that literally tell you to swap the limbs around for different configs. It was an intentional design choice from the Virtual World Pods that made the original omnis with swappable parts.
>>98639635>Confusing repairing pods for swapping them.Anon, that's as bad as classifying the Class D custom pods as regular pod swaps. We're told they're different things.
Batrep for your entertainment:https://www.battletech.com/forums/index.php/topic,91616.0.html
>>98639626nta but it makes you wonder if, rather than Sun-Tzu, if Candace had used the St. Ives Compact to win and effectively restore the Capellan Confederation under her, then flip on the Fedsuns to not be knocked down into a buffer state/junior partner/permanent vassal state to the Davions, would people have preferred that to the Xin Sheng, or would people hate a Capellan resurgence regardless of the set-up?And as for aesthetic, should have they tried to lean back on the old Soviet aesthetic more? Maybe more of a modern Russian Federation mixed with PRC China type of feel?
>>98636229this is why whacker and gauntlet are soooooo god. they're sneaky griffins.
>>98640111Candace betraying her long term allies and then engaging in all them mindless ambition of Sun Tzu would be even worse. These people don't know they are wargame characters, they should have internally consistent reasons for doing things.
>>98640106>OF shill begone, faggot, and take your made up battle with you
>>98640175>OFI don't even have an OnlyFans!
>>98640173Wouldn't the internally consistent thing be not letting themselves get soft absorbed into the Fedsuns if they can help it?It's like with the Northwind Highlanders, they took up their contract with the Feds in exchange for their home system, then eventually resisted the Fedsuns' usual company store tactic and made Northwind an independent system up until the RoTS Era where they rejoined Terra. It's basically the same thing on a larger scale.
>>98639129That's because the writers were retarded. You actually put a full RCT on the field against the forces they were facing and Clans are having a Tukayyid every Tuesday.
How do they quantify the damage each weapon makes in universe? What constitutes one point of damage?
>>98640377what do you mean 'were'...?you think that child molesting faggot bryan young has ever even HELD a real rifle let alone shot it let alone knows what a fucking range card is etc?all these faggot writers write is people sitting around eating and or drinking and talking lame retarded zoomie/leftwaffen retard shit.and its not even just these new writers.re-read DaTR. how much actual fucking combat is in it? and it's retarded combat at that. schlock.fucking BT novels WISH the were even as high quality as to be able to be called 'pulp'
>>98640601they do shit like 'this is a fucking gauss rifle, it can strip tonnes of armour off a mech with a single shot'
>>98640602>fucking BT novels WISH the were even as high quality as to be able to be called 'pulp'Always has been like you said...Don't know why you had to make it into a culture war scree.
>>98640637because i fucking hate that we cannot even get BT novels on the level of elric, conan, solomon kane, fafrd and the grey mouser etc.jesus fuck i'd settle for sharpe, hornblower or aubrey and maturin level stuff
>>98640648Then write it.
>>98640653I'm already 'writing' the captain's log for my own STA campaign through the shackleton expanse.
