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>>98684373Remember that, unless you buy a 4chanpass, there's a containment-thread for AI shit.Also remember to have fun.
What mech would Ian pilot?
Can anyone provide additional information about this book?
>>98684501It's an RPG supplement with an adventure/set of scenarios. I don't know if it's completely original or just a localization of something else though.
>>98684486Dude would take a locust to a medium trial and still place top ten.
>>98684486Primitive Rifleman.
>>98684373hapa master race
>>98684486Who are these?
>>98684537Thank you. I am hoping to find out more about its contents.
the wyvern isn't realits not a eerily androgynous man in a mech costumeit can't sneak into your house and molest you while you sleep
>>98684735Japan had several BT products imported and localized.This dude's website includes details:https://fondationdraco.fr/category/battletech/battletech-au-japon/
>>98684879What, you don't enjoy Professor Maltex's Marvelous Mechanical Gimp? You don't squeal in delight as it wishes for death it cannot have?
>>98684879Unironically my buddy's favorite mech. It was his starting machine in a pirate campaign where he used it to mercilessly bully pirate bugs, frankenmech shitheaps, and garbage vehicles and infantry of every variety. He didn't even have a dropship, just an old Landing Craft Mk VII with enough cargo to haul it. He painted it all black with a sheriff star on the right torso. Eventually, he upgraded to an archer. Great campaign.
>>98684879Really wish they give it a new line art at least so people can make stl
I don't know if anyone remembers but in another thread I was dropped into a match as a novice where I had restrictions and with some help I tried to spam AC/10 hetzers. It went okay until a shitload of LRMs and Arrow somethings just utterly deleted them and my team surrendered.
>>98684988Holy shit Battletech brand Battletech Rally Vincent!
>>98685173What does she pilot? These days I'd say a Gunslinger, but back then when this came out... I'm thinking Quickdraw or Enforcer weirdly?
>>98685181A Clint, and she'd make it work too.
>>98685173Didn't Cranston get a hold of this book recently?
>>98685031>so people can make stlSo I have some good news (soon, if you know where to look)
>>98684988It's wild that they got both the original artists from Macross AND the guy who did Bubblegum Crisis to work on Japtech. That's like getting George Lucas and Martin Scorsese to localize the Lodoss War RPG.
>>98685469
are the Gray Death Legion in any of the video games?
>>98685503they have a very tiny cameo in the hbs game. 1 minor event and 1 mission iirc
>>98685503 Red Hunt flashpoint in HBS and as a sponsor in MW4M
>>98685535They also show up in the Bounty Hunter DLC for MW5, but I don't think you ever get to meet Grayson or any other named characters.
>>98685525The minor event is one of your employees getting invited to go join them. There are no consequences for talking them out of it, so there's no reason to just let them leave. I don't remember a related mission.
So everyone here could name their favorite mechwarrior/mechcommander track, but are there music tracks that to you embody Battletech as a whole?im making a battletech 3ds theme is why im asking.
>>98684373Praise Blake.
>>98686030https://youtu.be/A-_-8D8R4CU?si=m8AyB94rsZNUqPGL
>>98686053A battle ofTechnology Worlds falling toCatastrophe The gods of war Will be appeased Chop off the headsAnd cap the knees
>>98685535This guy made me think the Shadowhawk was so cool, the premiere medium ‘mech…Then I ran it and it’s just kinda… okay, it does everything just not as well as you want it to
>>98686030https://youtu.be/UC-lZpl5kXQ?si=YCCeZ9c5aIh5GkDI
>>98686104SHD does his job wherever on the map he ends up. It's not gonna be a good job, but by god he'll do it.
>>98686141
>>98686104I'd say it's one of those few mechs that would have benefitted to something like an MRM or an MML a lot earlier in the timeline.That and having only 3 JJs kinda fucks it. It makes it fun to mod in campaigns though, in that sense it's the best starter mech imo.
>>98685027Noob here; what kind of campaign was that? Chaos? Some module? Something bespoke?
>>98685371Cool, looking forward to it
>>98686030For me it's March on Axylushttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHJSfvkC8qkThat mix of of strings, percussion, and synths really sells it for me
There's like 28~ versions of the Shadowhawk with 3 customsSurely a couple of them are good rather than just OK right?How about the -12C? HPPC, ERML, MML7, 6/9/4? ok fucked on being a Rasalhague availability but that looks usable. Couple of other models are basically just HPPC carriers with more or less supporting weaponry.-5D has a RAC/5... only a couple of tons of ammo eh, gets 5/8/5 move at least and a couple of medium lasers and a ssrm4 instead of wasting tonnage on an LRM5?The newest update in the -6D is one of those Fedsuns reengineered lasers things that, well ok that's at least it's got a niche?But there's some big gaps in the timeline post-jihad as all the more interesting updates are project phoenix ones, feels like there's an opening for some other versions to creep in for modernisation efforts.
Wolves on the Border and D.R.T. have been uploaded to the Log Files,
Cool?
>>98686527I am really turned off by the art style. It makes it look like an AI made it.
>>98686527Crescent Hawks, really?
HONOR THE DRAGON!
>>98686527>Crescent Hawksbased
>>98684726Davions.>>98684879Star League used these essentially as police mechs. What's the bet that the beating they gave a George Calderon for resisting arrest is what triggered the New Vandenberg Uprising?>>98685503There was also a cancelled Gray Death Legion vidya game.>>98686303>There's like 28~ versions of the Shadowhawk with 3 customs>Surely a couple of them are good rather than just OK right?No.
>>98686030https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yxz7uoTEbIE
>>98685583>>98685525I swear I remember reading something where the merc has to rescue Grayson after he gets shot out of his Mech by the Clans, and ends up sheltering with Grayson underwater, and Lori gets mad at them about it. Is that in one of the vidya?
>>98686579That's because AI did. CGL doesn't use real artists anymore. They're 100% AI from the art to the writing to the code on their websites. The only way to win is to make sure they fail as a company by whatever means necessary.
>>98686642I would think AI would generate fewer typos in the writing.
>>98686691Was going to say, think AI would genuinely do a better job.
>>98686583Even going so far as to imitate the boxart
>>98686640That's actually from Team Cincy's (i.e. NEA and the others) campaign report. They played a scenario that was IIRC based on a scenario from an old campaign book, where their mercs were fighting alongside GDL against the Clans. During the game Grayson Carlyle's mech was destroyed, and NEA used his Grasshopper to rescue the pilot. He later had to jump the same mech into depth 2 water to get out of LoS of some Clan mechs, and the GM ruled that Grayson could climb into the mech's cockpit so he wouldn't drown. That particular mech was piloted by a female mechwarrior, so anons joked about Lori being mad at finding Grayson spent most of the battle in a cramped cockpit with another women while hiding under water.
>>98686927>campaign venturing into magical realm territory in-person and in real-timebased
>>98686527>Ilkhan eranope.
>>98686969>doesn't appreciate the "Clantech für alle" eraDangerously based
>>98686989I'd rather have Republican era story set inside the Wall, where an actual mech is a "holy shit"-event and everybody's doing crime against the state with trucks and industry mods.
>>98686642Welcome to the future uncThe invisible hand of the free market guarantees that cutting costs with ai will continue regardless of your opinion
Which would be the more appropriate "hero" command mech for a second line Jade Falcon fire star?Summoner (Superior Jade falcon design and ubiquitous, but also a valuable omnimech which could be used in more worthy stars)orPhoenix Hawk IIC 2/9 (Viper design, but available to the Falcons throughout all of history, the big meaty fists likely only used for construction purposes as to not break zellbrigen.)
>>98687087We've passed that stage and are currently at big players fearmongering and demanding regulation to eliminate competition and individual ownership.
>>98686989The era would be less annoying if things actually...progressed. The first book, Hour of the Wolf, was published on January 2021 and aside from those TRO intros that aren't really considered canon anymore, the in-universe timeline has only progressed 2-3 years at most.I hope after we get that Periphery sourcebook they've talked about for the era, we get a 10-20 year timejump. Not a crazy length of time, but we'll at least see some movement. Stick around there for maybe a couple years, then do one more jump to 3180-3200. 30-50 years in-universe should be a good length of time for this era to last before a new name would come into the picture.
>>98687252>and individual ownership*ownership by natural personsIndividual incorporated persons' rights shall not be infringed.
>>98687047Sounds lame. I like the new tech being proliferated. Have clan tech thrown in spices things up, but I do think mechs with just clantech are a bit reductive. I like when it becomes more of a side grade
>>98687332Such stories form an impression regarding how the game works, so it makes a lot of sense to use scenarios showing off the whole range of what the game has to offer. If the events somewhat accurately describe the relative power levels of the game pieces, then the readers will have learned something that will be immediately useful should they feel like getting into the game itself.In comparison, a story about Clans The Snakes have been right about on MyDudes violence is just flash without any substance.
>>98686053https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZVyQfEHFfQ
>>98687239Do not be influenced by sloptubers
>>98687239Summoner has the improved communications quirk which makes it slightly more practical as a command mech. Typically the commander of a second line unit would also be the one to have the omni.
>>98687332>>98687347You can do both stories at once. The trucks and like are brand new, tech rating F (Clan level) vehicles and they are going for a tear against conventional forces...right up until a mixed tech, not even fully Clantech, Mech shows up leading a unit to bring down the hammer.
Has anyone played Conventionals only Battletech? As in conventional infantry, conventional tracked and wheeled vehicles, conventional aircraft, etc. What was it like, if so? Dogshit, or was there some weird balance existing with them?
>>98687520I adapted an Advanced Squad Leader scenario once and it played surprisingly well but it took a fair amount of time because every platoon/squad were moving one hex a turn
>>98687347That's true but the issue is that 99% of games are played exclusively with the strongest game pieces, that being the mechs. On top of that in the modern era and all the way since the clan invasion, light mechs have been lolkek tier and almost useless on the battlefield for anything other than 1 or 2 turns of sporadic fire before getting blown up. It's so bad that I genuinely consider 40 and 45 ton mechs to be "light" mechs now because they can actually fulfill the role of a light mech without exploding instantly. Back to my point though, this is why I think they should flesh out stuff like protomechs and highlight them as a cheaper and more common alternative compared to full on battlemechs and encourage protomech on protomech only games, with maybe some standard vehicles thrown in as well. If you want more parts of the setting to be used you gotta give people a more exciting incentive to use it
>>98687520>>98687557This is gonna sound really retarded but are there a troop carrier that can drop off troops so infantry doesn't slow things down so much? If you are doing an infantry focused game then you may be sorta restricted to 1 hexmap, but if you can make them mechanized you can make it faster. It could be fun to play for objectives with just infantry, especially if you can utilize IFVs and stuff.
You would think that in the era of clan dominance in the inner sphere there would be some new totem mechs.
>>98687703Sphereoids are so dezgra they don't understand how honorable it is to get killed by a 100 ton fursuit.
>>98687621Yeah, the most recent Black Pants Legion (Tex) Battletech video was on a few of the APCs and IFVs of the setting:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ui6RtV6paM
Say something nice about him.
>>98687795Turrets good
>>98687621>>98687782Also aside from some of the vehicles in that video and so on, you aren't strictly restricted to 1 hex per turn as >>98687557 mentions. That speed is specifically for foot infantry, and there's a few other motive types (some may be new to some people if they use MegaMekLabs, as some only show up on very small squad sizes and infantry totals, as well as higher rules levels):>Jump: 3 Jump movement (6" j) / 1 Ground movement (2" f)>Motorized: 3 Motorized (6" m)>Mechanized (Hover): 5 Hover (10" h)>Mechanized (Tracked): 3 Tracked (6" t)>Mechanized (Wheeled): 4 Wheeled (8" w)>VTOL (Micro-Copter): 4 VTOL (8" v)>VTOL (Microlite): 4 VTOL (8"v)>SCUBA (Foot): 1 Scuba (2" s)>SCUBA (Motorized): 2 Scuba (4" s)>SCUBA (Submarine): 3 Scuba (6" s)>Beast-Mounted: Variable from 2-5 Foot, 2-5 Sub, and a 6 VTOLThis all without mounting them up in something like a Goblin, though naturally stuff aside from the basic Foot have rapidly climbing transport capacity needed (ex. 1 squad of 7 foot infantry needs only 1 Ton of transport capacity, but the same number of Mechanized (Tracked) infantry needs 7 tons)
>>98687782>black pants legion No.
>>98687621>>98687520>>98687557If you want an infantry-focused game, use Battletroops.
>>98687621Hover/Wheeled/Tracked APC: ultra cheap and light transpo. Barely armored. Carry one squad per so you need 3 for a foot rifle platoon.Heavy variants of above: heavier and pricier, less fragile, each vehicle can carry 2 rifle platoons per.Goblin: IFV that can mix it up with actual tanks. Basic version has a one ton bay so you need more transpo for the full platoon. Variants can carry more.Karnov: chopper capable of carrying two full rifle platoons. Cheap and fast and also fragile. Very good choice for broken terrain, but remember they need to hold still to deploy troops (rappelling) or land. Unless you bring jump infantry of course.
Why do infantries bother carrying small arms instead of solely AT weapons? Infantry vs Infantry seems like a waste of time when you can have a dedicated mech doing anti infantry.
>>98687981Fight infantry in a city with only mechs and mechbusting infantry and you'll realize why.
>>98687981Because the Kurita house book only implied Asian Fightan Magic, but never statted it.
The pulse module is a neat idea and they should let you be able to put one on whatever kind of laser you want, including weird shit like Blazers, Heavy, C-ER, etc etc. PPC Capacitors should also be able to charge independently of the PPC itself, so that you can fire enhanced damage every other round if you want.Constantly introducing side grades just to aggressively limit it until it's borderline useless is fucking gay.
>>98687998It's a neat idea and a practical, economic way to make a Clan Pulse laser-equivalent from IS ER lasers, so it will remain experimental until it becomes extinct.
>>98687967And Battletroops uses squads or platoons as the baseline unit, yes?
The dragon is gay.
>>98688023Thats what e621 tells me.
>>98687621That basically only works once unless you can secure the area and waste an entire turn remounting them. Dropping infantry off is convenient and practical, picking infantry up is not.
>>98687981You can just do both? They have a primary and a secondary slot, and secondary has harder hitting stuff.You can also just attach a field gun if you really want the heavy anti-vehicle weapons, if you use a motive other than Foot. As long as you hit the minimum crew, they can be firing shit like an AC/20 or Gauss Rifle.>>98688027I mean, do you really have much need to pick them up if there's still stuff to shoot at outside of an evac? And if you need to pull an evac like that, you probably dismounted the infantry in a pretty stupid place to do so anyway.
I wish the AUs were less dumb gimmick shit and more divergent timelines and alt history. I would at least have some interest in that.
>>98688090>what is empires aflame?
>The year is 3025>Double heat sinks haven't been invented yet>The Clans don't exist>Your favorite unit hasn't been killed in the Jihad>The air smells sweeter
>>98688125Yeah I want shit like that.
>>98688090If I recall right, Gothic is a divergent timeline from the First Succession War where some bioweapons got way more development than they had in canon to result in the Abominations and similar effects.But yeah, the Empires Aflame style of taking a specific event and changing it (in Empires' case, Kerensky and DeChevalier being assassinated before the Exodus) would be cool as well. Have the Grey Death Legion fail to recover Helm and show what the Clan Invasion would have been like without that. Switch up which Clans did the invasion. Mirror Universe the Federated Commonwealth so its the disfunctional alliance while the Free Worlds League, Capellan Confederation, and Draconis Combine manage to pull themselves together into a for-the-moment Superstate under the Kapetyn Accords due to some prior events shifting.You know those larger Proliferation Cycle or the Bug 'Mech Company style boxes? They could put a basic fold-up map primers detailing various alternate universes into one of those that shows the map on one side and gives a brief alternate history on the other, if they are worried about committing too hard to it.
>>98688157If you weren't a coward, you'd play something like 2900 which is still Third Succession War but you have less guiderails.
>>98688174Gothic diverged in the age of war when someone discovered an alien symbiont that can merge with and mutate pretty much any carbon based life and they used it to splice up a bunch of monstrosities which mechs were made to counter. The Star League banned them for the most part, but after Kerensky left everyone dusted off their old cryogenically frozen monstrosities and did a lot of good old fashioned warcrimes. Some factions have fully embraced human splicing, some haven't, but they all use monsters and nobody has bothered pulling any punches for the third succession war or beyond. Mech production is down to early madmaxtech levels and only getting worse over time, and it's implied that the mechs in the box are the only common mechs left, with anything else being rare or extinct.
>>98686579I don't know if it's AI, but they definitely recycled pretty much everything from pervious art. That Locust is in the exact same pose as on one of the boxes and I'm pretty sure the pilot's face was cropped from Universe or one of the other books. Whether the fed all their previous box art into an AI or got an actual employee to copy and paste everything manually, it's still pretty lazy.
>>98688237>when someone discovered an alien symbiont that can merge with and mutate pretty much any carbon based lifeThat was a shit deus ex machina in Fading Suns.
>>98685371Handholding sex.
>>98685371>>98685031>>98688348There are four stls available right now.
>>98688226vgh...pevk
>>98688366Gay nigga alert.
>>98688274It probably isn't AI, its probably photobashed and then drawn over digitally.
>>98688393The mech formerly know as
>>98687981It turns out you need to have your dudes ready for all possible kinds of combat. You don't want to be the guy whose infantry got massacred by infantry.
>>98686527Yes, quite cool.
>>98687403Buckbroken.
>>98688174>You know those larger Proliferation Cycle or the Bug 'Mech Company style boxes? They could put a basic fold-up map primers detailing various alternate universes into one of those that shows the map on one side and gives a brief alternate history on the other, if they are worried about committing too hard to it.Point is unless it's something with significant aesthetic changes like Gothic what's the point, you can just make up or write about your own alt history? Now if going the Gothic route there would need to be a different style and justification for it, and for the most part those changes would be more tech and aesthetic related than lore related. For one idea I could see an alternate LAM focused setting where LAMs took off so you can get a bunch of ahistorical LAMs perhaps even assault weight LAMs. Aesthetic would probably lean more towards the Gundam style mechs than chicken walkers.>Banshee LAM>Black Knight LAM>Viper (Or Crusader but I prefer the Viper) LAM>Shadow Hawk LAM>Phoenix Hawk LAM>Wasp LAM
>>98688237I can't wait for when the real Star League returns - with none of that faggot Clan shit - and they start wrecking shit for the Greater Good
>>98688237This doesn't really seem like it justifies the aesthetic of Gothic at all.
>>98687981When I was in the army I was in a light infantry AT unit. I had a sergeant who had participated in Desert Storm. He said that back then they only had TOW launchers and their M16s, and nearly shit themselves when hundreds of Iraqi soldiers came upon them as they were scouting in the vanguard. This incident and others like it was why doctrinally we also carried .50 cals and mk19s. Had they carried those instead of just TOWs that could have been a cool story about the time they panicked and massacred a bunch of soldiers they didn't know were surrendering.
>>98687239Depends on the narrative and if youre using quirks. Personally, I prefer to have the IIC and the Summoner co-star in my force but the Phoenix Hawk tends to last a little longer and who doesnt like a good fist fight during the endgame?
What I'd love to see is a House Arano Assault Lance and/or Markham's Marauders Striker Lancebox in 2028 to commemorate the 10th anniversary of the vidya.>Atlas DHT>Royal Highlander>Bullshark>Hatchetman 3X>Shadowhawk Umbra>Reposes of Blackjack, Vindicator and Spider
>>98688502>>>bullshark>
Abandoned...
>>98688502
>>98688502The retarded shark mech would require them to touch on Clan Wolverine in a very big way, so it's out.
>>98688577It was added to MWO and MW5. I feel like proper BT canon is a matter of time.
>>98688594Those are not good endorsements and don't have to deal with the knock on effects of there being a verifiable Clan Wolverine mech within 800 LY of Clan Ghost Bear.
>>98688502Please go die you fucking casual
>>98688502I think you mean>blackjack>kintaro>king crab>king crab
>>98688594I asked the Devs when they were having live QnA and they said 'too much legal headache' and not worth it.Oh, they also said no Neo-Blakists and Neo-Society; They aren't important enough
>>98687998They have so much stuff added to the game that seems really cool and exciting but then you read the rules and realize they just completely unnecessarily enshittified the thing for no reason other than to discourage you from using it. It's honestly a miracle blazers are pretty straight forward and work decent at all and aren't gimped to hell where they are totally useless. That's my one general complaint of BT's system, is that it feels like people were asking for stuff so the devs spitefully added it in only to give it bad rules as a middle finger to the people asking for it. I hope the new core rules start to rewrite some of the autistic and retarded aspects of how certain stuff works out of the rules so it can be more useful and the game can have more variety >>98688006This sounds very cool and now I'm mad we don't have it. Adding weight and eating crit space to upgrade your lasers sounds really cool and like it would make the game more fun and mech construction more fun, so naturally they won't make it a thing
>>98688174iirc Big Red 40tech did an inverted clans invasion where the clans who participated got changed up. It's a pretty good and interesting video. Basically though the invasion is substantially less effective and in the end it sorta stalls out pretty bad causing a lot of internal problems with the clans. Unsurprisingly the Star Adders seem to be the real long term winners as they keep expanding their empire to slowly encircle the IS by taking over more and more periphery powers, like a snake coiling around its prey. The Wolves have to put up with much more retardation tho
>>98687589>That's true but the issue is that 99% of games are played exclusively with the strongest game pieces, that being the mechs. It is 100% people not wanting to learn the non mech rules. In my experience if you allow everything they guy who brings VTOLs and aircraft runs over the guy who doesn't.
>>98688157>the ebil Blakists killed my guysI always found this the most bitch made complaint. My guys got killed by the fedrats...twice and those shitters still got rebuilt. And it isn't like the eras worth playing in person are not Jihad or earlier.
>>98684988>https://fondationdraco.fr/category/battletech/battletech-au-japon/Thank you for the link!
>>98687479Summoner also has a variant with NARC, not like anyone is going to care about zellbrigen against pirates and mercenaries.
>>98688855I heard of one idea for an alt history where Kerensky led the SLDF rimward instead so the invasion corridor consists of Taurians, Cappies, Feds, and FWL. I think that would have been a fun invasion>Taurians war criming clanners and getting Turtle Bayed repeatedly in response>Liaos have to get rescued by Feds and are humiliated or get absorbed like Rasalhague did so we end up with Jade-Falcon/Liao double assholes>Nova Cats end up with FWL instead of Combine>Operation Guerrero is instead a Combine invasion of Davion space
>>98688484>fist fightI was actually thinking more from a logistics / campaign / RP standpoint that it would be useful to have at least one large mech with hands to help flip all the gun boats over if they fall and can't get up.I don't think a lone howler is going to manage to help a Bane up if it tips over or gets stuck in a river.Second line mechs often get stuck doing salvage after all.
>>98689145Main reason I don't like the Jihad is because it feels like a forced situation to reboot the setting.>Star League collapses because reasons>Instead of using force to push for a reform Word of Blake just starts killing everyone and being comic book villains>Everyone has to unite to defeat them and a new state forms where the old Terran Hegemony wasIf you wanted to collapse the second star league I'd prefer a fifth succession war with clans acting in essence like successor lords.
>>98686224Old school Accounttech, where StratOps is your god, and his prayers are written in spreadsheets. Where you keep spare bug limbs like ammo and leverage being able to use a Mechwarrior as an astech like he owes you money.
>>98689445I didn't think the Jihad was THAT unrealistic. The Inner Sphere had looked like it was on track for a return to the golden age of the Star League after centuries of pointlessly destructive wars, only for the Second Star League to collapse and ruin everything. A whole generation of people who grew up with technology and industry gradually recovering to pre-Succession Wars levels and saw the Great Houses cooperating to push back the Clans genuinely thought the universe was becoming a better place. When the Blakists offered a chance to get rid of the ones responsible for ending the dream of progress, of course there would be no shortage of people taking them up on it.
>>98689445It's ironically better and worse than that. The crazies spaced the actual elected leader of the Word of Blake to take over and shell the shit out of the former Fedcom capital worlds for destroying the Star League. The boys that showed up on the Drac capital were unironically there to help Hohiro put down the Black Dragon rebellion. They were even like "Hey guys, we're those former Comstar dudes that helped you kill the Jags. We're here to help!" Then the Bears killed them all for fake being Wolverines. Then, they outed Tommy for turning on them in the FWL and tried to undermine the Regulans. Oh, and then Sunny faked them attacking him so he had just cause to break out the nukes to clear them out of the Chaos March.Whole Jihad is every old grudge since 3025 raising its ugly head in every good and bad way.
>>98686339It also looks like they removed the abridged series off of Audible as well.
>>98689552Good. The abridged series is a fucking abomination.
>>98689516Did it ruin everything? Things seemed mostly fine following the Fedcom Civil War and the Star League was far from irrecoverable from. I at least wouldn't have jumped straight into killing everything.
>>98689445The fact of the Jihad at least we can't blame on CGL. They came up with the retarded details, but the general idea of "Blakists go insane and the Republic of the Sphere forms" was handed to them by Wizkids.
>>98689574Best we could fit on two cassettes back in the day, bro. I kinda wonder if I should have bought them used just for the collectibility. They were at Half Price Books all the time.
>>98689581The wizkids stuff was even more detailed than that if you read the old DA material. Like, we knew Outreach was a radioactive wasteland from the Jihad. Boy, CGL made that one fun.
>>98689501>leverage being able to use a Mechwarrior as an astech like he owes you money.I was looking for that rule recently to figure out how long it would take a lone mechwarrior to reload some weapons.
>>98689574To be fair for an abridged series they did at least put effort into it. Kinda cool hearing the sound effects going off as the battle gets narrated.
>>98688801>Neo-Blakists and Neo-Society; They aren't important enoughNonsense justification. Blakists were one of the biggest deals ever and are considerably more "important" than shit like hinterlands micro states.
What mechs are you looking at giving a spin now that the core rules have possibly given them a bit more life with the tweaks to ammo/autocannons/MRMS/C3?
>>98688801BattleTech and being afraid of IP stuff for no reason: name a more iconic duo.
>>98689634They should at least be lumped in with the other hinterland cultists. I'm still waiting on a further update for the Cult of St. Cameron.
>>98689543>Then the Bears killed them allAbsolutely BASED
>>98689667If the Beartarded rage ever actually bit them in their furry butts instead of just being a masturbation session, you might have a point.
>>98689640>CGL accepted default judgement (no contest) on the Unseen case and PGI fucking got in the mud and won it.Say what you will about the PIG, they saved the classic looks and the NuSeen in the whole damn franchise.
>>98689704It was PGI and Harebrained Schemes who stepped up to the plate.
>>98688801I have a really hard time believing that the HBS contracts were written in such a way that anyone but CGL owned the IP created for the game. I think they just don't want to deal with grog rage.
>>98689740Microsoft owns all vidyas by default and any licensing is from them.
>>98688090They could have had Dark Age not suck by just having it be a divergent timeline>The Exodus failed, the SLDF died out in space>The Helm Memory Core is never recovered >Because of both these things, the IS' technological death spiral continues unimpeded >By 3150, Fusion Engines, Large Lasers, PPCs, etc etc are lost tech>The slow grind inevitably lowers the number of jump ships, and the IS has pretty much collapsed and balkanized hard from inability to maintain large states, albeit the Great Houses are still relatively the strongest five of the current states>Tanks and Conventional Aircraft are far more >Fuel Cells were adopted to replace Fusion Engines, though some Mechs have to resort to ICE instead.>Comstar overplayed itself back in the 3040s, massively fucking up and ruining their own stockpile and production while leaving the IS even worse off, and is caught in the same death spiral as the other factions>3150 is an era where scientific innovation and human understanding are long dead>An era where it's kill or be killed, the crab bucket mentality taken to its most extreme as alliances and skirmishes are made and ended practically all the time, and there is only war. >It's just a long, depressing march to the extinction of interstellar human civilization I don't know, something like that >>98688454>The Star League never fell>Since the Star League made it through the Amaris War intact, technology didn't devolve and the most advanced research kept going>Due to the relative instability Amaris caused there are more shadow wars under the veneer of a united humanity >By 3025, LAM technology has been refined to the point the setting is basically post OYW Gundam I'd play that
>>98689445I actually like the Jihad itself, I just hate the aftermath and the RoTS Era it's meant to be set up for. A crazy sphere wide war full of SW1 war crimes, new and reintroduced technology, and enough fighting to leave even the Successor States and Clans exhausted afterwards? Yeah that sounds awesome. So of course most of that tech gets immediately extinct in universe, the aftermath sucks, and it screws over a bunch of settings needlessly, because why should people be allowed to enjoy things?
>>98689740It's because the Bull Shark and stuffs are from vidya and MS has the rights for vidya stuffs>Roughneck and Corsair my beloveds
>>98688502based as fuck
>>98689638I might try a NARC list, and I don't think it would be right to NARC without a Kintaro.
>>98689673As long as it's my faction winning, I don't care if it's a masturbation session or not. We're winning. That's what matters.
Is there any situation where a Nemesis pod actually does what the rules say it does instead of making the enemy not shoot? Surely if it would take effect you just don't shoot along that line, right?
>>98689740>I have a really hard time believing that the HBS contracts were written in such a way that anyone but CGL owned the IP created for the game.Ah, you do not yet comprehend the full retardation that the death of FASA left the Battletech IP in.Microsoft has the full ownership of the video games side of Battletech. Again, not licensing, full ownership. Because FASA voluntarily split those off into a completely separate company also named FASA for reasons.Basically all the television and cartoon ownership rights are locked up inside the Disney megaconglomerate. I think this might be a permanent licensing, but it could be full ownership. FASA's leadership thought there would be no problems with this.As for the Tabletop, the rights to the rules and the miniatures were separately split up until recently. CGL also doesn't own it, but instead licenses it. Topps is the real owner of the Battletech Tabletop. However, you don't want them to take the rules away from CGL now, because CGL picked up Iron Wind Metals who was one of the few companies left from FASA days allowed to create miniatures for the typical tabletop. Which is an issue because the way FASA gave out those licences meant that no one after FASA could create new ones unless all the ones from FASA's days went out of business because it was permanent licensing in a weird way. So if CGL gets cut out of the rules, miniatures once more get split off.FASA may have struck gold in making Battletech, but they ran the business like idiots.
>>98690286Don't forget digital game aids going to... some guy's company.
This is actually looking pretty promising!
>>98690299But does it really though?
>>98690315No. Nothing made after 1989 has been promising. Or good. Battletech ended in 3048.
>>98690340I'm not on your side you nogames faggot chatbot cocksucker.
>>98689638I was already doing this before with megamek/house rules but trying out more mechs with UACs now that their jamming rules are more reasonable. UAC10s are now, imo, some of the best weapons in the game and I'm excited to try them out more
>>98690340You unironically fighting this fight even longer than this?
>>98690340You sound like a massive faggot
>>98690340Cry some more.
>>98690315Yes, it really does. The art style is the right tone for a work that actually values the "military realism" of the franchise. I also like that the captions feature inset boxes clarifying the character speaking and their affiliation.We'll have to see about the storyline and characters, of course.
>>98689409Its a cool idea on the surface, except people always forget that the instant the Taurians are stupid enough to use nukes, every single clan gets called in and every single WarShip gets deployed against people who have no means of countering them. Also zellbrigen gets completely thrown out the window and the clans quit offering the spheroids that easily exploited narrative weakness that was forced on them.>but muh nuke stuffed dropshipsYou fucking wish. Not everything works like a Vietcong analogy. Stealth in space is not a thing. Fuck Taurians and fuck their fanboys. So that being said, I actually love that scenario because every human being would know that it is the Taurians' fault they all serve the clans now.
Concerning MW5 Mercs DLC 9, has there been any announcement/confirmation regarding the Perseus, Black Hawk and Blackjack omnis getting new models?Or are the just going to be the current standard Orion, Nova and Blackjack models?I know, “it’s cheapass PGI”, “stupid question”, “who cares”…
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>>98690507Geez I wonder what kind of rules could fill up such a thick "HOUSE RULES" manual haha
>>98690516
>>98686597honor the diet more like
>>98690507literally me. i love overheating in my shitmech. stop having fun
>>98690562That doesn't really answer the point at all
>>98690507Did you have to feed it the cover of the book?
>>98690579Unfortunately they didn't put a table of contents in that book.
>>98690581I did say to have the Classic Battletech Artwork box but no I didn't have to feed the picture.
>>98690582Looking at what's on Sarna, it doesn't seem very House-relevant
>>98690596It's basically half new equipment and half a collection of house rules (some of which later became normal rules).
I don't really get how the periphery also suffered tech and manufacturing loss from the succession wars. How can you have over a dozen planets and not be self sufficient? It's not your factories and cities getting nuked.
>>98690605What kind of House-specific rules? And how many were included?If we're just talking about relative access to lostech in the wake of stuff like discovering the Helm Memory Core or Myndo accidentally shipping things to the Dracs, that's not really a "House rule" ...
>>98690624Oh, I see. Sorry, I didn't see that you were capitalizing "House". My bad.You should be proud of yourself, that's very clever.
>>98690623Kind of a puzzling postPeriphery worlds might be self-sufficient in terms of subsistence but few will be able to produce military hardwareAnd those which can will be impacted by the bottlenecking resources and markets as the Succession Wars consumed civilization
>>98690623>How can you have over a dozen planets and not be self sufficient?Deliberate economic sabotage by the Star League.Seriously. This is official canon.
>>98690629Oh I see the disconnect, you were thinking "house rules" like optional rules or somethingThat's my bad, I just assumed it meant rules specific to the Great Houses of the IS nations
>>98690634>take loan from star league>all the valuable minerals in the ground disappear
>>98690651>Hey we're gonna build shoes here, nothing but shoes, subsidize shoe making to the max>All other local industries die in favor of shoemaking>Star league leaves>Planet vastly overproduces shoes and underporduces everything else>Shoes are not that important an industry
>>98690681You had two centuries of being left alone with multiple star systems worth of resources and you couldn't diversify away from shoe production in that timeframe?
>>98690703Their economies disintegrated overnight. They didn't even have enough food let alone other materials. It would be like if earth shipped in all its food, electronics, machines, even materials for shoemaking. When the economy collapsed they didn't even have the industry to make rubber for shoes because that too was imported, so outside if what was stored or for what subsistence farmers grew there was no food, outside of small, irrelevant mines there was no iron, etc.
The existence of resources is one thing. The capacity to locate, extract, refine, and utilize them is quite another. The interest in doing any of that is yet another thing.An advanced industrial economy is not really something that just spontaneously occurs given people and natural resources.The circumstances of the Periphery and especially during the Succession Wars also create a lot of incentives not to develop into a target for raids and conquest.You also have to consider what kind of mindset in involved among those who want to leave civilization in the first place. Some dream of building their own version of what they left behind, sure. But how many of that subset have the skill, luck, and drive to succeed? And people like that would be a minority, considering most people leaving all that behind them are not keen to then set it all up again afterward.On top of that, there is also the historical dimension of human consciousness. Peripheral attitudes about the Star League and the Great Houses, and the kind of "Golden Age" the built, are much more skeptical than within the House territories, precisely because of how those governments preyed upon and abused them.
>>98690623The Star League intentionally kept the Periphery dependent on the IS to avoid another Reunification War type scenario, so more advanced technologies was mostly produced in the IS and shipped to the Periphery, while the Periphery itself mostly produced raw materials.When the Succession Wars started the supply chain collapsed, leaving the Periphery cut off from a lot of the most advanced technology and without the means of building it themselves. The major Periphery states were self-sufficient in the sense that they could sustain their population, but lacked the technology and resources to build new battlemech factories and other advanced technology until the discovery of the Helm memory core made that tech more available.
>>98690651It's like how Russia has oil, but the technology to get it out of the ground's mostly not theirs.What's more, the IS is fundamentally severely under-capitalized and the ruling class are the middle-men controlling interstellar trade.
>>98690742People don't hammer this home hard enough - the Star League originally brought the five Succ Houses to the table with the promise of conquest and Empire. The Hegemony didn't just unite humanity with kumba-yo and the Space United Nations, it militarily supported each of its chosen Succ lords in their campaigns to take down their then-still peers in the periphery.
>>98690742>>98690724We also should keep in mind what they mean when they discuss the Periphery's tech base. I'm sure plenty of them at least sorta got some agriculture and industry going eventually, but it wouldn't be anything comparable to even the IS' 3025 techbase, let alone comparable to what was lost in the Star League's collapse.This is compounded by how most planets just aren't going to be anywhere near as fertile as Earth without tons of work and maintenance that a post SL fall Periphery System just can't keep going on their own. So you'll have a planet full of people with a broken economy, primitive agriculture in a shitty area, with maybe an adhoc industry base that would look small and primitive even compared to the real life 80's, and even if by some miracle you get somewhere there's a good chance pirates with IS military hardware come by to raid you regularly.Yeah sure you can build primitive WW2 era tanks and conventional aircraft with some time and effort, then you can watch your military get completely fucked by some dickhead in a near invulnerable giant robot or a bunch of dickheads in a fusion powered sci-fi tank that shoots lasers. You got the numbers to mob them? Sorry they just went back in their literal space ship and just keep hitting you where you're weakest until you give up and give them what they want, which means your goods, food, precious materials, and probably some of your sisters and daughters because fuck you, blame God for being born a Periphery barb you deep space shitskin.Shit is insanely lopsided and unfair for the average peripheroid and that was entirely intentional on Star League's part.
>>98690789The dropship captain supplying your world is probably triple-dipping by taking a cut from the pirates that raided you.
>>98690789>you can watch your military get completely fucked by some dickhead in a near invulnerable giant robotGotta cut the head off an Atlas and replace it with a convertible.
>>98690789Every day, somebody, somewhere in the IS is reenacting Mazinger Z on a captive audience.
>>98690703>left aloneYeah buddy, your first like six months of half-productice shoe factory workers trying to figure out how to mine raw ore has culminated in pirates stealing your raw ore because it's conveniently not in the ground anymore.
Damn, I feel kind of reluctant to use the Rifleman model as the Rifleman II, given that the latter is 20 tons fatter than the original.>I still don't know why it doesn't even have the art even when the Rifleman III, which only a single unit was ever made, has a line art
>>98690821The Rifleman II *MUST* be visually identical to the Rifleman, if you accept the quasi-canon theory that Gray Noton was piloting a Rifleman II on Solaris. If it wasn't identical, people would realize he wasn't in a normal Rifleman.
>>98690866Well that does makes me feel better, but I still can't help but wonder where is it hiding its 20 tons of extra fat while still being in the same shape
Anyone know what these mechs are?
>>98690866>if you accept the quasi-canon theoryWe had a POV character piloting it - it was a regular Rifleman.AC5s simply are pretty okay under Solaris rules.
>>98690881It's a Daimiyo, one of the few decent 40tonners.
>>98690881The Drac mech on the ground looks like one of those ancient 1R Gladiators from the Age of War era
>>98690800I genuinely would not be surprised if there was some Errant Mechwarrior on a Deep Periphery planet that actually did just that to make a functioning Frankenmech.
>>98690882He's referring to it being an in-universe rumor that Noton had found an SLDF Rifleman II and passed it off as a regular Rifleman. Out of universe we know it isn't true, and even in-universe the idea is easily disproved (they inspect the mechs before matches so people would notice if his Rifleman was 20 tons heavier), but for the idea to even seem credible in the first place Rifleman and Rifleman II must look similar enough that one could potentially be passed off as the other.
>>98690898What would that even look like mechanically?A primitive cockpit technically so you lose a couple tons on that.Quirk wise, probably >Weak Head ArmorObviously, it's replacing a standard 'Mech cockpit for a literal muscle car>Cramped CockpitI'm assuming a driver's seat has less leg room than an Assault class 'Mech cockpit you're meant to be in for long periods of time on campaign >Hard to pilotCoop was the only one who could pilot Megas for a reason.
>>98690881Excalibur?
>>98690921Is "extra hard to pilot" a thing?Because how the fuck you move 2 separate arms with ONE steering wheel?God that cartoon was stupid, its jack black in it?
>>98690884Definitely not, a Daimyo does have two hands and they didn't exist until way after the Star League fell. >>98690926 seems to be right though
>>98690481From what it looks like they're just the same models.>>98690507Looks a bit like Jack Black?>>98690881Looks like an Excalibur planting the flag on a Gladiator. This does not honor the dragon!
>>98690921If you really wanted to add to the theme of a really advanced Mech in a relatively primitive region, I'd argue the base of the Frankenmech should be an Atlas II. That'd feel pretty invulnerable compared to a bunch of what would be ill maintained shitboxes even by 3000 standards
>>98690928The wheel controls the torso twist, the sticks of the PS2 controller control the arms.
>>98685283Oh yeah, good catch. I always forget that weird little dog-earred AC5 caddy exists.
>>98691023Oh wait, I'm thinking of the IIC. Still, they're both kinda weird.
>>98690866>Gray NotonA scrub
>>98691027>>98691023Fuck I hate the 3-4T variant they came up with for the new art. Like... why go for a LB-5? We have all these versions of the Clint that move away from it being a 40 tonner with 3 Medium Lasers with extra steps, and then they just roll back into it. Fuck, the damn thing only has a single ton of ammo too! So you can't even switch between slug and pellet!The only thing the horrible little thing has going for it is Reflective Armour, oh, and CASEII... for a single ton of AC ammo? Whereas... what they COULD have done is downgrade those ridiculous XMPL's down to ERML's, swap out 7 tons of Reflective for 5 Tonnes of Heavy FF, and then they have EXACTLY enough for a RAC/5 and three whole tons of ammo! Which is enough to go full RoF on the thing for ten entire turns, which is definitely going to be longer than any Clint will ever survive.
>>98690928Yeah but let's be honest, Coop is basically a 0/0 pilotPlus if we go by stuff like this, his neuro compatibility is nuts
>>98691053The Rec Guid variants all try to match the weapons on the mech model, so replacing the AC with an RAC (which is nearly always depicted with multiple barrels) wouldn't really work. Though they could have swapped the AC5 to an LBX-10 or something.
I hope posting a WIP is fine.My 100% era agnostic clan jade falcon second line fire star.Led by falconer Elric Helmer in his Phoenix Hawk IIC, accompanied by a cadet in a howler to help keep those ammo hungry banes fed during longer deployments.Heroes of the merchante caste, aging dezgra warriors to those who come seeking to plunder the falcons coffers.
>>98691169An UAC5 would worked better than an LBX-5 as well, as at least then only having a single ton of ammo wouldn't have been so debilitating. LBX's really need to be able to switch between Slug and Pellet on the fly to have utility.
>>98691169>>98691174This is a bit of an extreme shift, but I still tried to stick to the overall layout >LBX/2 - two tons of ammo>MXPLs switched to Light PPCsI had to add Endo Steel and switch down to SHS to do it, but I tossed in an extra ton of armor and 11 heat versus 10 sinking is perfectly fine anyway.
>>98691173The falcon merchant caste is a gaggle of filthy traitors and deserve no protection.
>>98690821I came up with a custom mech that is based on a marauder but 55 tons. It's explicitly meant to be a medium Marauder, and as such I just use a marauder model to portray it. It's not that deep anon
>>98691556>midrauder
>>98691600You jest but I've been trying to figure out what to name it. Stuck between the Looter and the Highwayman. I like Highwayman despite it being a mouthful
>>98691600Marauder III
>>98691810Raider?
>>98691810OutlawRenegade
>>98691810Plunderer
>>98691817>RaiderAlready used >>98691850>Outlaw >RenegadeI like Outlaw a lot actually, may rename>>98691855>PlundererFeels too big to be a 55 ton mech nameThanks guys
>>98691883No worries.
>>98691549The Alyina Mercantile League will get whats coming to them.But speaking of merchants, what are /btg/s opinions on Jiyi Chistu?
>>98691883Marauder III is lame but it makes sense.Marauder II is Marauder, but bigger.Mad Cat II is Mad Cat, but bigger, and Mad Cat III is Mad Cat, but smaller.
>>98691937>But speaking of merchants, what are /btg/s opinions on Jiyi Chistu?Would
>>98691937>The Alyina Mercantile League will get whats coming to themThey definitely won't, nothing is more certain than that.
>>98691958If this was a canon mech it probably 100% would be the MAD III, but it's not and the lore I have for it is that it's a Taurian design, this separating it even further from being the MAD III. When I get back to my main computer I'll try and post the data sheet for it to get anons opinion. It's based off the MAD-2T in terms of performance and can technically, within a shorter range bracket, do the same damage as it
>>98691883RavagerThere's a Ravager battle armor, but no 'Mech.
>>98691810Invader?
>>98692065Bro
>>98691810Interloper.
>>98692078Wouldn't be the first time a spacecraft and a ground unit share a name. Behemoth is both a tank and a DropShip, and there should be other examples as well.
>>98691937Jiyi: extremely basedAlynia League: will be handed 3/4ths of the inner sphere on a silver platter because stronk black womyn fighting the oppressive caste patriarchy system can never do wrong
>>98692111Centurion is both a mech and a plane. Scorpion is a mech and a vee. Vulcan, eagle (IIRC), etc.
>>98691976>Bro the most marketable villains will just die in a civil war against their merchant caste.>The literal who mercantile league who's only claim to fame is selling prohibited clan technology to mercenaries.The diamond sharks have been avoiding the other clans wrath by only selling specific second line crap bucket mechs that are ammo dependent to the spheroids (to create repeat customers)It's only a matter of time before either Jiyi gets shit under control, or the wolves, or bears, or someone else rolls up and asks them if they have a Khan approved license for selling premium clan tech to filthy freebirths.
>>98691556So you made a 55 Ton Crab? Care to share the sheet?
>>98692111I know, but the Invader JumpShip is so iconic. It's THE JumpShip.
>>98691976They will overthrow Alaric and become the ilClan, trust
>>98692135Not that anon but there's a 98% chance it has an LAC/5
>>98692134By 3150s the Foxes are openly selling clantech weapons and components to IS (IIRC every Capellan mech with Clantech weapons has those weapons bought from the Foxes, and any non-Lyran IS mech with Clan XLFE also has the engine bought from them). In 3060s that might have been an issue, but by the Dark Age/IlClan era it's the norm.
>>98692134Yes, literally everyone will lose to the strong woman of color faction, those are the rules.
>>98692179Even in the Ilclan era there are a ton of mechs not available to spheroids.>>98692185Depends on who writes the ending to the hinterlands.
>>98692131>All it will take is one sheboon to overturn the entire clan way of life.Lemmy guess, she'll dissolve the monarchy next?
>>98691937Glorious Supreme Leader that will lead our Clan to supremacy in Hinterlands and rebuilding of Jade Empire.
>>98691937>Jiyi ChistuUnironically a really fun development for the JF. They went full tard to near extinction, and Jiyi being the tard wrangler trying to cobble together a function state with the tiny remnant of the Warrior Caste plus the actual population that lives in what's left of their occupied zone is a neat idea.
>>98692207>Depends on who writes the ending to the hinterlandsConsidering they were going to get a forcepack I doubt they are going anywhere. I'm certain the whole purpose of the faction is to be a sanitized "good guy" clan faction according to retarded middle aged American leftist logic, so they'll stay around.
>>98692385>they were going to get a forcepackWhat happened to them? Sold them off to mercenaries instead because they have no proper warriors of their own?
>>98692218All monarchies, anon. Not just one of them. There will be no survivors.
>>98692207>depends who writes the endingWho the fuck do you think works at catalyst? There is only one viewpoint and one opinion permitted. There's no "depends" here and no other possibilities.
>>98692435>catalystNever discount the possibility of someone other than catalyst writing the ending to the hinterlands.
>>98692519And who, exactly would that be?
>>98692319>>98691937I like both of them and hope that they give the Sea Foxes a run for their fucking money (and maybe takes a fat bite out of them in the process) by being another clan that finally adapts. Plus the Jade Falcons have, bizarrely, a long history of being the other vicious merchants of the clans. So if anyone can do it, and it's not just the Wolves deciding to pull a 'nah fuck it we're not paying our debts we're gonna absorb you by force to get out of it' or some shit, it's gonna be them.The more interesting smaller but still capable factions (that are actually engaged in shit) rather than monolithic/massively capable states, the better for fucking around in as players.
Is shrapnel magazine worth reading? I like short stories and do not have high standards. If the focus is on mechs fighting I'll be happy.
>>98692131I would expect Jiyi to undermine Marena and basically reabsorb CJF's merchant caste right out from under her.But I don't expect it to happen very soon because the Hinterlands as a product is a "campaign setting" whose chief feature is everything teetering on the edge of success/failure.
>>98691937I think Jiyi is a pretty cool guy. Eh kills Horses and Bears and doesn't afraid of anything.But of course he is because Bryan (he/they) got to write him, which bodes well for him as an ilClan character.
>>98692664Yes, Phil Lee is the managing editor and besides whatever Helfers says he has to print he also runs (and thereby canonizes) some classic-feeling BT fanfiction.Phil's own writing is pretty strong for BT as well.
>>98692695Killing horses is bad okay
>>98692708Even when they show up to kill and pillage you?
>>98692664Shrapnel doesn't focus that much on the mechs. They're there, and there are mech battles, but they explicitly do not want stories that are just mech combat play by plays.
>>98692736I'm fine with that, I just don't want to read anything that is too clever and tries to subvert the military/pulp sci fi genre that Battletech is
Btw make sure to read the OG Shrapnel. Great book.
>>98692672Are you high? They'll never let the white man trample over the black woman.
>>98692708They're one of the Hinterlands villains at the moSorry the Birds are unavailable for their usual duty rn thanks to be underdog protagonists
>>98692791You need to understand how the game worksMarena is an antagonist-of-color who, by being defeatable, signals how un-non-de-racist the writers are
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>>98692814>vomit_emoji.exeMan not even as a joke, thats too horrifying lol
>>98692425But the monarchs are all strong single wommin who don't need no heirs
>>98692814Canopian cat girls for all!
>>98692848Breaking out the REALLY stale memes today I see
>>98692856>He doesn't knowDungeons & Dragons Battletech campaign supplement set in the Magistracy of Canopus coming to a local gaming store near you.
>>986928065D chess
Friends, I know this isn't battletech-related, but I spend a decent amount of time in this thread, so I want to comment that I have a date tonight and am super nervous.At what point in the date is it appropriate to batchall?
>>98692725That would mean you must have done something to rile them up. Horses are peaceful and did nothing wrong.
>>98692911>Horses are peacefulThey are herbivores, after all.Well...
>>98690681But STILL somehow have access to a nearby Ranching Planet to have a supply of leather...>>98691003So Hired Steel?>>98692906>At what point in the date is it appropriate to batchall?When the check comes.
>>98692906Never. When you want to shag, you just ask her if she wants to shag.That is the way of the Clans.
>>98692921Trust all horses.
>>98692964>ask>the way of the ClansLol, lmao even
>>98693089It is how coupling's supposed to happen unless you're Oneeshota'ing up a Sibko.
>>98692560The Raven Alliance probably stands a better chance of taking more market share from the sea Jews. It would be interesting if the Jade Falcons had to become professional mercenaries to pay their bills and stay afloat in the IS. It would be extremely shameful but also extremely interesting for them to become battle hungry merc supporting their own nation
>>98693385There's almost a justification in Clan law. Clans are allowed to contract out units to other Clans for payment (like what the Ravens did with a bunch of WarShips for the Falcons in the Invasion).These guys aren't mercenaries, they're proud Jade Falcon Warriors being contracted out to various people.
>>98692906Challenge her to a trial of boner and bid your cock, or just be normal and talk to her and get to know her
>>98692911>That would mean you must have done something to rile them up.Yeah well there was that whole Malvina Hazen thing.
>>98692906>At what point in the date is it appropriate to batchall?Do you mean to tell us that your date agreement didn't end with the sentence: Well bargained and done?
>>98692664I like the Voices of the Sphere ones. Also, if you're a fan of the vidya it's one of the few publications that ever has anything involving Auriga, although I think it's been a while.
>>98693542I can fix her
>>98692664Battletechnology is pretty okay.
>>98692756They explicitly specify that in the "send us a manuscript and we might publish it" section, too. Usually, I work off of a combination of "does the opening timestamp take place in a faction I like?" or "is this by an established author?" when skimming through. Anything that is not a one-off short story means that they directly commissioned it, and I've rarely found issue with those.
>>98692664I think that the Hot Spot in issue 26 is definitely absolutely worth reading and I'm in no way biased about this.
I failed the first prince tonight :(
>>98694843Don't worry he is used to it
>>98692906>suspiciously avoids the topic of genderWhat is his name?
>>98695158You know, I always thought it would make more sense for Trueborn Clanners to be genderless, but that was probably considered too weird for the early 90s.
Oh man, I finally got around to reading Hot Spot Drac and see that two forces I'm already working on directly fight each other. That's fun.
>>98692906At the beginning of the date, and don’t forget to ask her with what forces she dares to defend>>98695158Don’t get jealous bro, one day a man will sweep you off your feet
One day story of the academy mechwarriors will resume. Surely.
>>98692145and you'd be correct! >>98692135>55 ton crabNuh uh! But that's a bit of a reductive way to think because every mech is just a different tonnage crab with different weapons and movement profiles. All mechs are to become crab I'm gonna wait till next thread though to post the data for the mech tho because I'm an attention seeking faggot I guess
>>98695374Let me guess, LAC/5 and 2 snub-nosed/light PPCs or large lasers.
>>98692906Waste too much time you lose the game. 1st impressions are important make a dramatic entrance with your fleet when you enter orbit.Show confidence by deploying dropships immediately.Issue Batchalls as soon as you hit the ground. Not out the gate but as soon as dinner is served
>>98694739Still waiting for more of your Hot Spots, with noble ladies
>>98695433AyupThe short version is 5/8, twin snubs, LAC 5, twin ER med lasers, XL engine, 10.5 tons of standard armor. Very unremarkable and exactly what you'd think it'd be. The prior version in lore was meant to be a trainer and is the same thing but with twin light PPCs replacing the snubs and a standard fusion engine. Only variant I've done otherwise to spice things up is one that mount 4 ER med lasers and a clan grade UAC/10 in the shoulder with 2 tons of ammo. Next variant I want to crank up the engine size and maybe add jump jets
>>98695520You should check out shrapnel 26 then.
>>98695433>LAC/5 and 2 snub-nosed/light PPCs or large lasers.That's what I'd unironically want in a Rifleman upgrade. Flip the range bands with L/ACs and ERLLs
>>98694739I'll check it out, hopefully the author gets some sales royalties heh
>>98684879>oh look it's the Griffith mech!>y-you mean Griffin right?>right!?!Lock up your qt tanned tomboys because this motherfucker is cummin for them..
>>98696197Well now we need a Wyvern variant with a sword. And some art of a sword wielding, white Wyvern running circles around a black Berserker.
>>98686597This mf isn't dining with his ancestors, he's dining FOR them.
>>98686613>new vandenberg uprising The Taurians came within a cunt hair in killing Alexander Kerensky, and the only time in ever driving him from a battlefield in retreat. There's a reason he left the Inner Sphere coreward rather than spinward.
>>98687087>invisible handYou can simply not buy or play their games anon, you aren't held at gunpoint.
>>98687252>>98687327>retard commies making shit up again>>>/trash/ is that way.
>>98696283>You can simply not buy or play their games anonNot an option
>>98686303>Surely a couple of them are good rather than just OK right?Yes. Really it's only the introtech variants that have a bunch of low single hit damage weapons in different range brackets that are bad.
>>98693430That would actually be clever, so the writers will never think of it.
>>98696283>I know i will just leave forever and surrender completely>this is a good solutionYou sure are a compliant little subby boi arent you?
>>98697015The only way to stop it is to get a gun and commit mass murder at the CGL offices or a convent. Is that what your suggesting?
>>98696913Personally I'd say Shadow Hawk variants starting getting genuinely better by like 3K. They tend to have either a big gun or a lot of missiles to make up for it, and the ones with an MML do the original theme justice imo. Although the 6R(?) with the multiple Thunderbolt missiles is fun in its own way kek.
>>98697032Even the 2Ht and 2Hb are solid mechs, an LB-X AC/10, two medium lasers, and two streak SRM 2s is nothing to sneeze at.
>>98697075If they can't deal 15 damage in a single cluster, they're shit. Any Mech over 45 tons should be able to headcap.
>>98697090Headcapping is the single most overrated concept in the game. The point of single hit damage is to concenteate damage in a single location to quickly strip armor from one section allowing it to be critted and destroyed. If headcapping was so important the most competitive mechs wouldn't be large pulse laser carrying mechs.
>>98697090>If they can't deal 15 damage in a single cluster, they're shit.>Awesome is shit>Black Knight is shit>Warhammer is shit>Battlemaster is shit>Thunderbolt is shit>Griffin is shit>Wolverine is shit
>>98697163>Awesome is shit>Black Knight is shit>Warhammer is shit>Battlemaster is shit>>Thunderbolt is shit>Griffin is shit>Wolverine is shit
>>98690471>nukes are written to be op as fuck >clanners in otl get utterly rekt by insurgents all the fucking time >turtle bay alone got clan woof to bid away ALL warship assets Real life would go like this.>clan retard kitty gets fucking humbled over and over by Taurians >be first clan to lose multiple warships due to fighter nukes >starts turtle bay everywhere >other clans tell them to knock that shit off or get trial'd to death >clan woof bids away all warships and opens talks with Taurians >they accept because the only system they can realistically defend now is Taurus >the Taurians get offered to be left alone as long as they do not interfere with clan movement through "their" space>they accept >clan woof utterly humiliated clan retard cat by securing with words with what they couldn't do with their whole touman Same song, different words.
>>98697195>nukes are written to be op as fuckTHEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE YOU FUCKING RETARDED FUCKNUGGET
>>98697212>>98697195I mean, even one of the senior writers has gone on record saying that if the Clan Invasion had come from the Rimward instead of the Coreward, they would have pretty much been destroyed. They'd definitely have taken most of the Rimward states with them, but it would've been a grindfest iirc.
>>98690623A combination of the Star League stripping them to the bone, making their shit so black boxed and dependant on Terran supplies that any interruption would destroy the machines, constant raids by other states, (the Periphery has zero defense in depth) and the friendly neighborhood telecom company totally not doing white ops and blaming the great houses, which causes counterattacks which bleeds them even more.
>>98697195What if Wolves are the ones with Taurian space in their invasion corridor? Would be hilarious to see the wolves nuked.
>>98697090Succession Era Shadow Hawk. Drop the AC/5 for a Blazer
>>98691297>on the fly Or......HALF TON AMMO BINS. Fucking MG's can do it, but for some reason if I ask a mechtech to only load a half ton of ammunition their head fucking explodes from a Mauser 960 held by a fucking weirdo wearing wizard robes.
>>98691810Reaver.
>>98690623
>>98697015>i dont want to buy from you>hahaha you gave up!You socialist retards WOULD have a "mandatory gaming state enterprise" that you MUST buy or the "state antifascist defense force" comes and breaks your legs (which is ok because they're antifascist so you must be a fascist!).
>>98697292Half ton ammo bins really should be a thing for weapons besides MGs yeah. To take it even further, even if you've got a full bin, it should be fine to have the bin mixed half and half with different ammo types.
>>98697212>can't fucking read properly Holy shit did your parents share the same last name BEFORE getting married?
>>98697270Only the Blackwatch had enough plot armor to survive being nuked.
DO YOU LIKEMY CAR?
>>98697363A car with UNLIMITED gas mileage and a laser that hits almost as hard as a 120mm mbt cannon and has a hundred missiles on tap, combined with a cot and a fucking kitchen to cook ramen? In 2026 this thing would FUCK.
>>98697363Reminder that the shell can look like anything, even a 1970 Cuda that you bought at a junkyard for $2.
>>98697363Nigga you crazy, I can't afford a half a million C-Bill car! That's like, over a million dollars in real life
>>98697424For the amount of shit it brings to the table? Dude a million dollars is a FUCKING STEAL. Just the SRM's alone would be more than a million dollars, never mind the FeroFib armor, large laser, and the fusion engine which would have every nation on the planet write you a blank fucking check.
>>98697476A Large Laser is 100,000; an SRM2 is 60,000 plus 27,000 for a single ton of ammo. It's likely the fusion engine you're paying for the most out of everything.
>>98697565I'm talking about if a Rotunda suddenly popped into 2026, SRM's are (shitty) guided missiles, but are still guided missiles.
>>98697565
>>98697578>the fusion engine And that's fucking cheap as fuck, a irl fission reactor even on the small end run up to a billion dollars.
If anyone cares, the date with the biologically female woman went well. She issued a preemptive batchall, I won the Trial of Possession, and a promise was made to arrange further Trials.
>>98697578I wasn't looking at the table in the Tech Manual with my glasses on and it is indeed 10,000 for an SRM2
>>98697605A lot of that money is regulation and certification. Standardized small nuclear reactors would be at least an order of magnitude cheaper.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small_modular_reactor
>>98697352Only the, like, 12 that just happened to not be there, and they spent the next 8 years waiting for everyone not the Black Watch to rescue them and accomplishing nothing in the meantime.
>>98691810Freebooter
>>98697626>standardized That's the problem. Man fucking hippies and leftists fucked us from piss cheap electricity.
>>98697622Nice. Congrats on the anal.
>>98697424>>98697476It's about 12 USD to 1 C-Bill. So it'd be closer to a $6 Million car, not a $1 Million car.
>>9869894615 USD, because it was $5 1985 USD.
>>98697195If we are having the Clans invading from the opposite direction, wouldn't the order be 180'd as well? So it would be Clans Wolf and one part of Jade Falcon hitting the Taurians then Davions, one part of Jade Falcon and one part of the Ghost Bears hitting the Capellans through the Aurigan remnants and future Fronc, and the other part of Ghost Bears and Smoke Jaguar attacking Canopus?
>>98697245If the Taurian's utilize nuclear weapons this would go from "Yeah we are invading your shit" to Trial of Annihilation for the Taurians.We are talking about Warships moving from planet to planet wiping clean of anything Taurian.
>>98698961>jade falconI was fanfic'ng a scenario where clan jade falcon pretty much wipes out the clans by invading fucking Brinton and ignoring every desperate warning the planet was trying to tell them.
>>98699849>the clans just completely abandoning their honor system Anon this would be catastrophic for their ideology, the clans after turtle bay pretty much mothballed their warships and honestly it's a massive plot hole in the original canon that the great houses didn't dust off their nukes when warships were spotted. The action tree for warships goes as follows.>see warship>do you have warship>yes>warship fight>no>do you have nukes>yes>USE THEM>no >rocks fall everyone fucking dies Warships are essentially reusable WMD's and for anyone to allow those to ravage their assets without counter is pure insanity.
>>98697090>Any Mech over 45 tonsI think you mean 35, unless you're a clanner then you can shove a gauss in a 30 ton kit fox.
I got banned earlier for posting porn. I don't fucking care. I'll do it again. if this image is too hot for you then just don't click on it you faggot!
>>98699987what
>>98699926They did it before with the Annihilation of Clan Wolverine. You really think they wouldn't Annihilate some minor house for nuking them?Also they didn't nuke the clans because 1. They don't know where there Homeworld is.2. They have Warships.3. Nuking your own territory isn't good.
>>98699926>it's a massive plot hole in the original canon that the great houses didn't dust off their nukes when warships were spottedIt's a massive plot hole that CGL introduced. It didn't exist when the Invasion was written.Before the Jihad storyline was written, people in BattleTech didn't use nukes. Not against military ground targets, not against WarShips. It just wasn't a thing that happened.Then Herb gets a vendetta against WarShips and decides "Nukes will allow an ASF to kill a WarShip" and now every single Taurian fan is like, "Next time the FedSuns invades we'll just nuke everything!" ignoring the centuries of in-game history saying otherwise.
>>98699987Oh God, so hot! You are too beautiful, I can't hold any longer.
>>98699987>>98700346Onlyclans.jpg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731Paint scheme and mech sugestion for this edgy Draconis lance/unit?I start, Firestarter and since it was kinda scientific red-white stripes?
>>98700364Why would a biological warfare unit have a mech paint scheme? The real unit 731 didn't have tanks
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>>98700369Why are U gay? This thread had non before.
>>98699987that is one ugly bitch
>>98700327>Before the Jihad storyline was written, people in BattleTech didn't use nukes. Not against military ground targets, not against WarShips. It just wasn't a thing that happened.
>>98700327Invading Clans (SB) -1994 Fasa.No retcon here.
>>98700420Yes, see all of the nukes being launched in that passage.
>>98700419That was all in the past. No one was using nukes in 3050 because they were all so traumatized by the Amaris and Succession Wars.
>>98697109This, I don't particularly care about 15 point heavy weapons that much. What I do care about is 10 point damage cluster capability on mechs because it allows me to more reliably time the pace of a fight. The Ultra AC/10 therefore is one of my favorite weapons in the game. Uncontroversially to the Clan LPL is also one of my favorites for being super reliable. Medium heavy lasers are a godsend for most builds in the later eras imo
>>98684407???
With regards to the original sourcebooks, the House Liao one is definitely the best written and most funThe 3025 Capellan Confederation Armed Forces is canonically the coolest house militaryEach of their regiments and brigades just has so much flavour. The FWLM is a close second.
>>98700327Dude you are flat out ignoring the entire fucking setting to bash Taurians. Fucking stop.
>>98700499I just hate the Taurians. Thanks to the CapCon and WoB they got mech regiments and mech factories out of thin air, and they're one of the strongest factions now despite being a periphery nation.
>>98700451Yeah, against the INNER SPHERE. A Warship is even more dangerous than nukes, so much so that the Great Houses and ComStar actively prioritized their destruction and the destruction of all infrastructure needed to build and support them. Meanwhile the Great Houses can and still posses and manufacture nuclear weapons and ComStar gives zero fucks about it. In addition using nuclear weapons in open space is not seen as a atrocity, only within 50,000km of a planet as per the Ares Conventions. A force showing up with warships who just rape your transport and shipping without counter is how you stop being a civilization.
>>98700519Didn't they just get done with like 2 really costly retarded wars that absolutely almost ripped their own nation apart internally, both times? Forgive me if I'm behind on the lore but the Taurians, despite being a periphery power, have always struck me as being near peer with the great houses for basically all their history. Theyve always had me and and even tangled with the SLDF way back when. Their domestic mech production has always been more or less of a thing and generally pretty robust, but they lack the flexibility of the real industries in the IS and have some weird tech limitations that restrict some of their designs. Iirc they can't make X-pulse lasers and as of the ilclan do not have any clan grade component construction capabilities as far as I know which is increasingly becoming a massive disadvantage in the setting as partial clan refits are becoming more and more common
>>98700519>taurians That's the Canopians you absolute fucking newfag, the Taurians got absolutely FUCKED during the Jihad to the point they lost 90% of their territory and most of their manufacturing.
>>98700519everything after 3060 is garbage anyway. just ignore it.
Are there any reccommended FASA novels i have to read? id like to have a go injecting niche battletech lore into my eyes
>>98700552oh fuck, you're right. my bad i got them mixed up.i hate the canopians and the capellans.
>>98700364https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Curse_of_GaledonGaledon Regulars color?
>>98700560>niche battletech loreBuddy, this was a novel-driven franchise for all the FASA years. We got the Blood of Kerensky trilogy YEARS before the Tukkayid sourcebook. They're not niche. The late Dark Age novels are maybe niche. Not many have read all of those.
>>98700552And they somehow won against FedSun. Because Alexander Hasek was retarded I guess
>>98700605He was. An incompetent fool. Plus Capellan March forces had been virtually gutted for decades.
Behold my first exposure to Battletech leading me down a hole of Mech on Mech action.https://youtu.be/B6JxcHAQzBM?si=kPnlODv7eSfbXSym&t=707
>>98700563It's ok, we were all newfags at one time.
>>98700605>hasekThere's your problem right there.
>>98700327>nukes weren't used after the succ-https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Tripitz_Affair
I am putting together a 400PV shitbucket binary together for alpha strike as clan jade falcon remnants and I need to save 3 points.Everything else has already been squeezed to the maximum so my options are either:Downgrade the Thunderbolt IIC 2 to a summoner MDowngrade the pilot of the Howler 4 to skill 4 (Everyone else is skill 3)Which is the more fluffy solution?
>>98700936Bust down the Howler pilot is the logical move, but it's the Jewed Faggots so do the wrong thing for fluff.
>>98700283Would they try to annihilate them? Perhaps, but the cost would be absolutely massive as warships can be killed with nukes so the end result would be Taurians get wiped out and Clans suffer horrific losses and lose much of their fleet power.
>>98700899>2979>secret>comstar>not in actual combatNice try, though.
>>98700499I made a comment about a small set of Taurian fans, I didn't "bash Taurians". Jesus fucking Christ.Taurian fans are easily the worst fans in the game, even worse than Capellan fans.Also >>98700519 was not me.
>>98700605>Alexander Hasek was retardedChecks out
>>98697363>20 tons
>>98701154How come Morgan was the only non-retarded Hasek?
How close is the retrofuturism of cyberpunk 2020 to Inner Sphere level of civilian tech in 3050s? I'm GMing the RPG and sometimes have issues finding small scale stuff lore like civilian telephones, internet, transport etc and thought I could borrow some things from the other game.
