Nightdreams & Daymares Edition>Previous>>98679111>Pastebinhttps://pastebin.com/WiCHizn0>Mediafirehttps://mediafire.com/folder/s9esc6u7ke8k5/CofD>Mega Ihttps://mega.nz/folder/ePQ1BKhJ#RCosRCh59Ki2Mpb1M9H3Uw>Mega II (also containing fanmade games)https://mega.nz/folder/ZbQ2zLJA#DOT-3df6rS2lLet4_RmqJQ>5e Megahttps://mega.nz/folder/7rQQ1LbQ#16_AiXVGo0P3_rVOJuoZyA>VtM to VtR fan translation guidehttps://mega.nz/folder/LhYTUD7b#cRDFTcMXSB_2TjD7eJoE5Q>STV content foldershttps://pastebin.com/9i9zhydQ>General Creation Kithttps://mega.nz/#F!FWJgBTbb!f7d5rARWHYzuI8-8aI-Bxw>Ideas: BJ Zanzibar's WoDhttp://167.99.155.149/>Anders Mage Pagehttp://mage.gearsonline.net/anders/>White Wolf Wiki:https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Main_Page>Ananasi-anon's The Tapestry and the Workhttps://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/the-tapestry-and-the-work-world-of-darkness-human-into-spider-reincarnation.1325755/>Thread QuestionHow much emphasis do you place on dreams/visions?>Alternative QuestionWhat was the most creative dream sequence you or someone else came up with?
Damn, Mages get to fuck that?
Remember this girl? This is her now, feel old yet?
>>98691718Rakshasa are exclusively nourished by betrayal murders and are Indian, you're not that hard up.
>>98690550God that one triggers my sissyfication fetish so bad. I don't care about the furry stuff but a group of women feminizing you and embracing you into their group moves wires in me.
Off to a great start.
>>98691681We have a Cahalith in the pack, so I fully intend to have some whacky dream prophecies in the campaign that we can retroactively infer meaning from as a group.
>>98691766i feel dead thanks
>>98691718yes but 3 dice of aggravated damage every night. These claws and teeth are no joke.
>>98689455>Come play our dark reality setting were YOU are the monster. Play as a bloodsucking vampire, a raging werewolf, a capricious fae, a pactmaking demon, the lingering dead and uhh... I don't know a narcissistic wizard or something. Mage has never really fit the setting from the very start.
>>98691766I never got the appeal of this character.
>>98692219Isn't she the one who started the Tremere slut glasses trend?
A mage’s Avatar is a PARASITEYou have been warned
Test post, please ignore.
>>98692257>ParasiteWhat does an Avatar...eat...exactly?
>>98692271ascension
>>98692257>a parasite that grants reality-warping power to its host in exchange for the host pursuing enlightenment and wisdomWow, so malign.
>>98692219she didn't do it for me but that one story where she's too autistic to care about being naked made me understand why she does it for some
>>98692257>>98692271>>98692283>>98692305It's the "Exaltations are soul parasites" guy. Just ignore him.
>>98691766>>98692233Why *do* they all wear these?
>>98692334As always, copying the Setites.
>>98692334One character in a popular video game wore those, therefore everyone must do the same now.
Realistically speaking, just how justified are vampires in fearing complete and utter eradication by humanity? Surely, there'd be bleeding hearts all around fighting tooth and nail to give them human rights and shit, right? And even then, if Masquerade was broken on a global scale and normies knew full well that some vampires are just completely irredeemable evil monsters, going full Burning Times 2.0 feels too extreme for our enlightened age.I dunno, whenever someone says stuff like "muh nukes" in relation to this subject all I can think of is that one screencap where OP says that AR-15 won't protect 2A enthusiasts from a drone strike and some japanese anon tears him a new asshole over logistics and morality of a country waging full-scale urban warfare on its own soil.>but week of nightmaresObviously a different subject, *no one* wants a repeat of that.
>>98692400>Realistically speaking, just how justified are vampires in fearing complete and utter eradication by humanity?As justified as the Epstein class is in fearing complete and utter eradication by the non-Nephandi now that their identities and crimes are a matter of public record.
>>98692400Well, I have this theory.If Vampires get found out, they become exploited by politicians and CEOs.Vampire Vitae can grant immortality.Also you can blame them for anything. “A Vampire made me do it” becomes a real explanation and excuse for your horrible actions.
>>98692400this post completely forgets that vampires are different species and stand on a different place at food pyramid and effectively see humans as cattle
>>98692400Realistically, vampires would run the world. The ruling class can do all kinds of depravity and face no blowback, and frankly, vampires have a committed, genuine reason to be less evil than the people running the world IRL.
>>98692438A farmer can love a cow still knowing full well that he'll have to slaughter it some day.
You run a tremere chantry.You have some access to some paths and rituals of thaumaturgy but not many HOWEVER you can learn more.You are tasked with making as many progeny as you can who are proficient at thaumaturgy as you can.Keeping in mind that willpower ≠ self-control ≠ courage and can often be confused for each other.How would you personally go about dragnetting a population for people of 8+ willpower without cheating via infernalism?
>>98692400Well, it was pretty rough during the inquisition. Since then the humanity got better at killing stuff. The technology is at the level that we can invent and build new anti-vampire weapons on a daily basis. Vampires, on the other hand, haven't changed that much.
>>98692334They're decoders like used to come in cereal so you could do the maze on the back of the box.
>>98692430Like, let me explain.The rich and powerful already do insane shit for their longevity, as well as clearly having no moral inhibitions. You think that imbibing Vitae or forcing an Embrace would be off the table for them? Hell no.Vampiric mind powers can become a scapegoat for the horrific actions of these people, as well. Epstein island? Vampires. Nestle? Vampires. And so on and so forth.
In case anyone missed it last thread, I added some new Bakeslave lore >>98690626 . Ive also started writing the storytime of getting turned into a cat by a Verbena, beaten up by a drone, and kidnapped by changelings. Its long overdue but I really wanted to update his character sheet and officiate it with a storytime, plus I was thinking of one day taking all the storytimes and writing a full story similar to Ananasi-anon's work. Also I saved a moth last night because it insisted on being crushed in the door frame until I prodded it to fly away.
>>98692538>Nestle? Vampires.Wait, what happened at Nestle?
>>98692541>Also I saved a moth last night because it insisted on being crushed in the door frame until I prodded it to fly away.Good job. We will spare you in the coming Insect Rebellion
>>98692546Idk I think they did some really fucked up shit
>>98692546Child slave labor, contaminated powder milk, trying to trademark potable water, asbestos in baby powder... take your pick.
>>98692481Besides just Dominate checking every kine you interact with?
>>98692562For a company of that size, occasional breach of good work ethics or bad batch of contaminated/toxic product is pretty much unavoidable.
>>986925810.05 Pentexcoins have been deposited in your account.
>>98692554I like moths. I think theyre neat.
>>98692400I always liked what ToJ did in one of the scenarios. A mix of both.
>>98692590Maybe the standards are different in the first world, but I'm from the wrong side of former Berlin Wall and this shit really is pretty normal, asbestos in buildings, old stocks of DDT being dug up at random locations, salmonellosis in meat, mystery meat being mixed in with the good one, herbal products that are by volume more pesticide than plant material, methanol poisoning from diluted bootleg alcohol, etc. We had 3 prominent cases of contaminated batch of baby products since start of the year. That's not counting toxic paint / BPA plastic in toys.
Once againMoth central, mainly copied from last thread (and some from my documents)Forms:>Flutter/FlitterlingCrawlerling equivalentStr: 0, Dex: 6, Sta: 0, Man: 0, App: 0The only form the weremoths can cross the Gauntlet in>LepidopteraHispo equivalent, literally just a giant moth.Str: -1, Dex: +2, Sta: +2, Man: -1, App: -1/0, Per: +3Can fly, -2 to athletics/dodge difficulties while flying>Magnaelae/Torquentis Crinos equivalent. Magnaelae (from latin, Great Wings) / Torquentis (from latin and cultist simulator, Skintwister.A massive monster moth, a 2-3 meters tall mothman, a horrifying human-insect-moth hybrid. (Kinda like with Ananasi, they have “subforms” of their warform)Str: +1, Dex: +2, Sta: +1, Man: -1, App: 0, Per: +3Can fly, -2 to athletics/dodge difficulties while flyingCauses reduced delirium -2?>Tineana and SedoseBoth are Glabro-styled, although Tineana (Pathmoth Glabro form) is a permanent homid-glabro equivalent as I was thinking the Pathmoths don't have access to homid at all.Cha +2, Man +1, (Dex +1?), -2 to intimidation (they are cute)>More on the Tienana and SedoseThe Pathos weremoths lack a true homid form, instead they have access to Tineana (from latin, Moth Human). A human-sized moth-human hybrid with humanoid form but has compound eyes, chitin-like skin and insectoid jointed limbs.The moth-like near-human form of a [Weremoth] is not one designed for increased strength or toughness; a moth is almost never a predator, after all.Instead, it draws from the other great defence of nature: fawning. Through a combination of softening their features, a mix of subtle pheremones, and a partially fuzzy exterior, a [Weremoth] in Sedose gives off a completely non-threatening aura.Consensus seemed to be no homid for either Auspice.
>>98692602I liked them more when I thought all hawk moths could do the squeak that startles anything into dropping them
>>98692633As always, discussLore:Nobody really knows where – or when – the weremoths came from.Many conflicting accounts, stories, tales, and myths tell of the weremoths. Some claim they never died, having somehow survived the Weaver’s displeasure during the dawn of time. Some say they woke up from the dead – a theory with many claiming to have played a part in, or claim to be the reason why the weremoths exist in the present day.Those old enough to remember the early days of history, the Mokolé do not speak of, and the only one with real answers, Queen Ananasa who was there when the moths were first crushed, does not answer her children’s queries.The most popular theories, none of which the moths themselves claim any of – as the moths do not care, they simply are – all revolve around spirits.Was it the Wyld herself who saved and claimed the moths? Was it the Moth, or the moth-shaped Unknown who woke them? Were they even killed in the first place? Were they simply trapped in the Dreaming and and let loose with the rest of the fae? Had they been stuck in the Shadowlands for untold aeons and had only recently found a way out?Nobody knows.Many Garou claim they are the reason why the weremoths exist at all; the most proud of the Garou are to this day furious that the weremoths do not thank them, and do not listen to the Garou.What everyone agrees on are the facts anyone with eyes can see. There are two distinct types of weremoth. The Glamour, and the Pathos. The Day, and the Night.>AuspicesGlamour and Pathos, basically "Day and Night"Glamour would be more focused on the social, the wonder and transformationPathos would be more focused on the mystery, the dead, stasis, and (also) transformationThese are the general ideas that seem to be most agreed on, such as the origin of the weremoths being a bit of a mystery that nobody can (in the world of darkness) agree on, and those that might know (Mokole and Ananasa) don't tell shit.
>>98692630That’s Soviet Russia or America
>>98692481do the lasombra thing where you ruin their lives over and over again. if they kill themselves then they didn't had the willpower needed
>>98692578How many people can you feasibly interact with in a single night? 100? 200? Cities have thousands and thousands right?So even if you do that, there has to be a logic to finding the best sample size of 100 people to try that on. Where would that be? I don't have an answer to that, I'm genuinely trying to puzzle this out>>98692668Sure but again sample size, how many people's lives can you ruin in one night to get the widest net possible (without breaking the masquerade)?And effectively that is just training someone with low willpower to high willpower instead of just finding those naturally willful peopleBut even if you did that, you would want to find the best starting point right? So where would that be?
>>98692707>there has to be a logic to finding the best sample size of 100 people to try that on. Where would that be?athletes, academia, leadership figures, hardened criminals, arguably monasteries - people with track record of succeeding in competitive environments or enduring hardships
>>98691681This is what Technocracy fears and hates.
>>98692420So not at all? The full uncensored list is out there with the literal president on it and besides a couple token arrests the world is business as usual. Difference between now and dark ages is the degenerate nobles' standing armies are more organized and have more force as a deterrent for Joe Peasant than a dozen swordsmen. Sure there's drone strikes now but we know those launching them are sucking on a wrist. It's up to the Hunters to take them down.
>>98692866>full>uncensored
>>98692866>So not at all?That is indeed what I was saying.
>>98692400Realistically the governments are already effectively run by a few Ventrue. The real fear vamps have is of the technocracy.The main change I can see in the world is Pentex redoubling their plasma collection drives to turn blood banks into blood breweries.
>>98692400While the masses may not rise up, the Internet turns into a battlefield of (mis)information between hunters and Nosferatu.The main weakness of the average hunter is how little they truly know about the prey they hunt. Mitigate that, and anyone can become a Luigi.
>>98692954Tbh the most unrealistic part of WoD is schizophrenic organized hunters hunting leeches. Sure in the bible belt in the U.S. south I can see it but in the cities? You can probably mostly forget about it
>>98692954I think those would be more like pawns than anything else. Like, even retarded V5 has stuff like Mithras handfeeding information on London Kindred for the SI
>>98692972If you can have racial hate-gangs, you can have vamp-hate gangs.>>98692974Yeah and when those pawns wise up, they can use the information against their "masters". It just becomes much less eye-catching when a guy talks about vampires and their weaknesses in public.Once public communication becomes difficult to scrutinize, hunter networks can communicate more easily.
>>98692641Do we have factions yet?
>>98692995Low-level gang-violence is one thing, but Luigis are an incredibly rare occurrence
>>98692400Assuming VtM as the only canon splat because trying to map how a broken masquerade works out in a combined setting is functionally impossible due to having to many factors and contradictory statements, thus it will boil down to the author's favorite faction winning because they say so Fears of total eradication aren't unwarranted, but it's probably unlikely. However, be you a neonate or elder, do you really wanna roll the dice on being one of the 5% at best that survive? In any case, both vampires and mortals would be looking at a very ugly century if the masquerade got shattered. We like to think that mankind always bands together to defeat a greater threat, but truth is our record there is actually quite spotty and largely dependent on context. VtM's official stance on a shattered masquerade = total vampire death is predicated on this pleasing lie. The real bitch of it is going to be paranoia. Just because you know vampires exist doesn't mean you know where they are, or even how to spot them. Most vampires look human and would require a detailed inspection to be found out. Most vampires also have at least one discipline that makes hiding even easier. Expect a lot of false positives, a lot of dead innocents. And as more people die, and what remains of public trust slowly dies, mankind loses its biggest advantage: overwhelming logistics. At the same time, this makes social feeders have a tougher time, and violent feeders still have to deal with the fact that mortals outnumber them by a comically large ratio. There would also invariably be those who want to join the vampires, meaning it'd still be possible for the vampire to have ghouls, further muddying the waters. In short, everyone loses as the world slowly drags itself into the early iron age over the course of a century. What remains is a weird dark fantasy setting, like Vampire Hunter D but all the archaeotech is just 21st century stuff, so far lamer. cont.
>>98693063I think the main factor for exactly how hard vampires get fucked is what the Sabbat and Camarilla does. If the Sabbat are idiots (likely) and try to strike immediately with everything they have, they're going to get absolutely flattened because the mortals might be off-guard, but they'll also be at full strength. Not to mention the Sabbat's obvious inhumanity and direct methods would make them the perfect enemy to rally around. They get reduced to a tiny fraction of original strength in a year. As for the Camarilla, it depends on if the Inner Circle has a plan or not. If they don't, it's a fustercluck as Princes handle it at their own discretion. Very mixed results, some end up getting their entire city dusted, others handle it mildly well, a few exceptional domains even retain their shadow control. The paranoia age begins. If the Camarilla does have a plan, I'd assume it'd be to target the very fragile infrastructure that keeps modern life afloat. If they do this immediately it might slightly backfire and give the Sabbat some early victories, but even if they boom the power grid entirely I can't see the Sabbat winning long-term. It also assumes that it'd be executed perfectly, I'll say that the Cam could probably execute at 60-70% efficiency. In any case, the big loss for the Camarilla is that it'd need to have as many vampires go to ground as possible, meaning the Camarilla itself would effectively cease to exist. I could see some particularly deluded Elders refusing to go along with the plan and getting themselves (and their followers) dusted due to refusing to start from scratch. In almost every case though, you see a mass die-off of Kindred and Kine over the next century. Industrial civilization collapses, and the world becomes a dark fantasy setting.
>>98693063>>98693092Finally, an actually worthwhile answer instead of twitter bullshit.Based effortposter.
>>98692215that's because many of the writers had deep experience with occultism, including goatman who's infamous for pearl clutching about letting people play nephrandi because mage is muh chaos magick. but if you look at the history of these practices, a large number of occult beliefs revolved around enlightenment as a way of restoring the world, escaping it or realizing one's true will. with themes like the salvation of humanity through ascension, the writers were a bit self aware when they parodied warlock the pretension as the splat that took itself a bit too seriously, but there is reason in that between the lines, mage is a deeply emotional story about humans attaining self-actualization and transcending this grimshart setting.
>>98692325>>98692257exaltations are actually soul parasites.avatars are not. gilguled mortals act as a hollow shell compared to even sleepers.
>>98692481There are some rituals for divination, just use that to find people who would make good potential Tremere.
Did all the other mothfags die? Did the vampfags and magefags eat them?
>>98692481Embrace tons of people and go Inherited Affinity all night, every night until they get good.
>>98693346The difference is that Exaltations are grafted on top of a person and Avatars are naturally integrated. Much like the body already consists of several different systems with their own feelings and processes working in tandem to create a more cohesive whole, the Avatar is a part of the body responsible for spiritual awareness and develops its complexity from your previous lives. Dark Age doesn't have Avatars capable of preference or communication, and Sorcerer confirms that ordinary people can "grow"/awaken an Avatar (more likely the DA equivalent stat would be appropriate), that the act of becoming a Mage is a natural process to the human condition.
>>98693441Bluntly speaking, what else is there to say? Until someone actually makes a fanbook, you've gotten all your ideas out. Fewer people than you think care about one specific shifter concept especially when its main conceit is being crossover with two other oWoD splats. Apologies for my rudeness but I immediately checked out of that one when people decided to make it crossover slop. Also the one guy still posting about it isn't doing it any legitimacy favors by posting it alongside softcore porn.
>>98693605Thats all fairIn the defense of the mothposters most of the more human looking moths basically everything is softcore porn
>>98693441I have nothing to add unfortunately. (Plus I don't have the time right now.)Maybe we can talk about their Auspice equivalents? Or perhaps their Totems?
>>98693605The rules are clear - you must post softcore porn to receive replies.
>>98693667Auspices seem to be (more or less) decided already, yes? Unless anyone has any more ideas for possible Auspices, what we have left are factions, totems, and gifts, followed by lore.>>98693710I want to fuck that moth
>>98692270What is thatIt is very cute
>>98692271Decency. This is why all mages are such insufferable pricks.
Hedgefag, please stop masturbating to moths.
I realized why I hate how the HtP Society of Leopold looks. They look straight out of fucking Trench Crusade with the weird industrialized knight getup. It's such an aesthetic clash. Also we talk a lot about how stupid it was that nobody brought silver (especially the leopoldites), but it also bugs me how the writers seem to have forgotten Occam's powers that they established in his first actual scene. He can teleport. The tazer hands wouldn't do shit to a werewolf, but teleporting has such insane utility that it bugs the shit out of me that he hasn't used it once during this whole fiasco.
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>>98693605Meh, leave them be. Mothfags were the first shot of fresh blood into this horribly stagnant thread in a long while. More power to them.
>>98693859Agreed the moth discussion and ananasianon writing his story made this general very fun to visit recently, notwithstanding the recent shitstorm.
>>98693764>totemsIt is obvious that Moths would have Moth as the main totem but I don't remember any canon Moth totem so that needs to be custom.Here are some side Totem I picked I thought fitting for Moths.
>>98693228>who's infamous for pearl clutching about letting people play nephrandi because mage is muh chaos magickThe funny thing is, "Muh Chaos Magick" is an offshoot occult practice created from discount gosticism, specifically the kind that think satan was the good guy.By all right, Goatman himself is a nephandus by mage standards.
>>98693063>>98693092>but even if they boom the power grid entirely I can't see the Sabbat winning long-term. It also assumes that it'd be executed perfectly, I'll say that the Cam could probably execute at 60-70% efficiency.Assuming the other nightcrawling entities exist, shouldn't the Garou (Glass Walkers, in this specific case) or even the Techocracy intervene at this point?
>>98693033As are irl schizo groups that get anything done, and literal vampires.Gotta suspend your disbelief somewhere.
Mothfags deserve the light*ZZZZAP*
>>98693896Good picks there, anonThe main Moth Totem could be made using the "Big Moth Spirit" that people have been bringing up. I also recall people saying that it would give gifts to the moths.The Moth Totem's origins can be left vague, but we can come up with a general theme for what it represents (maybe curiosity and obsession?)
>>98692541Do you come up with these from scratch or are they the play reports of your solo chronicle?
>>98693859There's a lot to be said for not sucking down every needle in the crack den in a desperate grasp for a high you'll regret the consequences of.
>>98693171Thanks. >>98693906Reread my post. At the very beginning I say "assuming VtM as the only canon splat".
>>98693980Are you saying the mothfags are a bad thing?
>>98693906Well anon did mention that doing this for everyone would be a nightmare. There were anons a few threads ago that demonstrated how ridiculously powerful the Technocracy is and they're pretty much working on a different level entirely from everyone else to the point that if somehow the consensus or masquerade was blown to smithereens you could expect them to shitstomp a lot of the big threats. The convention books do mention that techies generally leave vamps alone because they self-police and try to keep things hush hush though I imagine they'd intervene if such a massive clusterfuck happens.
>>98693980This place hasn't been a proper crack den since...knifefights of DaveB and his Awakeningfags vs Changelings and MummiesIt was so entertaining to watch an actual writer supported VS Battle jerkoffs
>>98694052Wait one of Awakening's writers came in there? Was it just anons thinking it was him or was it actually him?
>>98694006I'm saying not shitting on effortless softcore spam attracts the worst of both worlds.
>>98694093Havent the mothfags have posted actual theorycrafting along the softcore?
>>98694052i feel like we nearly had a short return to form when the guy behind the w5 art was here and tried to defend his "art" but he lacked the minions to really shit up the place
>>98693836I'm sorry Anon, the writers wanted generic goons to die and the SoL is probably the most recognizable hunter group. I think V5 changed quite a bit about them so I don't know if them being retarded was nu-lore or them being written as jobbers.
>>98694138SoL was written as actual retarded jobbers
>>98694116Yes and you shit on the effortless softcore to incentivize effort (with or without softcore) until they stop using softcore as a crutch for engagement.
>>98693931I agree, ever single bug zapper will be 25% off untill the ammount of deviants reaches a managable number.
How can I recreate the werewolf vs hellbeast vampire from Van Helsing? Zulos lack wings.
>>98694170How many Epsteins is the weakest Syndicate Mage worth?
>>98694178Chiropteran Marauder.
>>98692623>>98693063>>98693092>>98693906>alternative setting where people know about the supernatural>while some adopted into the "normal life", such as it were, mortal oppotunists now fully show that they can be just as ruthless as the children of the nightWhat would be a good equivalent to "noblebright" for WoD's "gothic punk"?"Mundane poser"?
>>98694138> I think V5 changed quite a bit about them so I don't know if them being retarded was nu-lore or them being written as jobbers.ther writters making them jobbers. the society of St leopold (yes leopold got canonized as saint in v5) are the guys who wipe out the supernatural in entire major european cities in single operations in v5 and they are the one hunter org that h5 doesn't let's you join just because it's too op and for no other reason which is why they bought back the house of murnau as pretty much the pre v5 society of leopoldso perhaps it's a counterreaction to wod 5 making them too op? that nobody got because nobody gives a fuck about the SI and h5 hunters
>>98694138Well yeah we've discussed this at length. I'm talking about why I hate them aesthetically. They look like they're from Trench Crusade. And also the writers forgetting Occam can do magic.
True Fae loli wife Keeper
>>98693836Has it been established he can teleport anywhere? It might have required him to set up beacons or something in the chapter house, so he's powerful at home, less so in the field.
>>98694223He looked at D and Remold, took a breath, made a handsign, and teleported to them. No mention of some sort of ritual node network was made, so we have to reason to assume that's how it works. Especially since if he could teleport through nodes in the Chapterhouse, he should've been using it during the crisis to just teleport to and from the armory rather than split the party for it. A more logical intuition from what we saw is that he can teleport to any point within his range of natural perception. If he can see it, he can teleport there. Which means he couldn't just run through the chapterhouse willy nilly, but could move surprisingly quickly in a big open field.
>The World of Darkness is a dark world where you play as inhuman monsters but>we'd rather you didn't play a Sabbat>woah buddy you can't play a Black Spiral Dancer>don't even think about playing a Nephandus
>>98694284>or whatever outright evil hunters are
Kevin is literally just an all around inferior (less funny, less deep, even less badass somehow) version of the Monarch from Venture Bros.Fan favorite, my ass.
>>98694284>proceeds to tell you how you can roleplay a rape scene(the players are the rapists)
>>98694284But somehow the Beast splatbook was made
>>98694297Stig's actions have doomed someone of his pack to die, be himself, Matilda or Jambles.
>>98694284>SabbatNothing really stopping you, especially since they provide you with their traditional clans' abilities in the base player book.>Black SpiralKinda like shooting fish in a barrel, but again there's support for those builds.Bait harder.
>>98694322Nah they wont kill any of the woofs theyre the good guys
>>98694309>implying anons needs help with that
>>98694337They'll kill Stig because he's neither gay (plebbit would screech about them burying their gays) nor gay bait (haven't milked the femboy maid plushie market yet)
>>98694322Matilda's rug munching has given her death flag immunity.
>>98694337They killed the nicest guy introduced who would've also supported them had they just asked, their dumbass viking leader basically murdered Grimal, and Matilda maimed Git. The same way Wernon died for something he didn't do, chances are Big D will gut Jambles for being in the same room as Matilda. Remember, WE know about their backstory, but the main characters don't.
>>98694337>>98694390Stig is very obviously being set up to get no-diffed by Ross.
>>98694296>or whatever outright evil hunters areSlashers.
>>98694390I'm still all-in on Grimaline being the ghoul. She'll pop back up after using up her blood points to heal off just short of dying (assuming they don't give her that auto-embrace contingency ritual)
>>98692400> And even then, if Masquerade was broken on a global scale and normies knew full well that some vampires are just completely irredeemable evil monsters, going full Burning Times 2.0 feels too extreme for our enlightened age.It really depends of what the vampires do. Trying to whitewash themselves and sacraficing a couple of the more notorious elders should be the best course of action. They'd still have to deal with all kinds of people pushing their agenda. I think this is a scenario where the Society of Leopold can really make things difficult. They don't know everything but they do know a lot. Imagine some of the worst things vampires have ever done being all over the internet and most news channels. Every prominent vampire the inqusition knows off being revealed for what they are. Most vampire weakness being one google search away. Governments being given all the intel they could ever ask for. They don't even need to come out of the shadows to do all that, they'd do everything to rile the people up and steer them in the right direction. You don't need to convinve everyone that vampires are evil, just the majority. >But goycattle are docileThat's because we live in an age where everyone is willing to let things slide as long as they're comfortable and someone else can do everything for them. A lot of criminals actually get away with the shit they do because the law exists (and because it's in someone's best interest that they continue to do crime). Joggers can steal 3 cars in one day and get a slap on the wrist, you go after them and you're looking at some serious time. Either way, going to war would realistically be a lose-lose scenario like >>98693092 pointed out.
>>98694418Then she better cut Stig's head off with her yao paddle.
>>98694297>version of the Monarch from Venture BrosWha?
>>98694080It was him. He mostly posted under his name, sometimes just went anon but he was here for like 4 years.His last big post is about the SA scandal in 2018 I think. https://desuarchive.org/tg/thread/56086269/#q56090720
>>98694297>Kevin is literally just an all around inferior (less funny, less deep, even less badass somehow) version of the Monarch from Venture BrosThe Might Monarch will not be compared to the likes of a HtP character.
>>98694447>long nose>screams out his own name/self-appointed title a lot>often goes from bobastic theatrics to very dry manner of speech in a heartbeat
>>98694423>hunters have to rebrand because calling themselves that is too dehumanizing and "blankphobic" to their targets
>>98692641While I appreciate some mystery, I feel like there's a bit too much of "Nobody knows" going on here, to the point where it feels like a bit of a cop-out. Surely there are at least theories about why they were created?
>>98694506>torch vampire who runs an orphanage to have a larder of kids to feed on and molest>get sued into oblivion by the ADL for hate crimes and sent to prison
>>98694508I can cook up some longer theory blurbs with the Moth Spirit later
>>98694458That's wild, with how I see people talking about 4chan these days and calling the place a naxi chud groyper evil cesspit you'd think devs would stay far away. That said this was in 2017, almost a decade ago, 4chan certainly rotted in these times
>>98694297No? The Monarch is chiefly defined by his deep, all-encompassing yet surprisingly toothless hatred towards Dr. Venture. It's an up-jumped, unwitting sibling rivalry that's kind of one-sided. But he's chiefly defined by that petty hate. Kevin was a nerdy but normal guy wallowing in mediocrity, only to get embraced by an extremely backwards Tremere Chantry to file their goddamn taxes. He then loses favor for doing his job correctly and ends up joining the Sabbat to get out of his current situation, further downgrading his already squalid life in order to have the illusion of freedom. Only to once again get knocked down further as a collaborator for Hunters. They aren't remotely similar characters in terms of personality or story role. Do you really think they're similar because they have similarly high pitched and nasal voices?
>>98694545You'd be surprised just how many industry insiders actively frequent (or at the very least they used to) boards that are respective to their line of work.
>>98694545they said the same exact things and worse long before 2017
>>98694545>calling the place a naxi chud groyper evil cesspit you'd think devs would stay far away. That said this was in 2017, almost a decade ago, 4chan certainly rotted in these timesOh no, it was way worse in the older times. 4chan got way softer across the years thanks to newfags.
>>98694545>>98694570>>98694578And yet it's Xitter that shelters pedophiles and terrorists, Facebook that admitted in court to brainwashing and mentally harming their users for profit, Instagram and Discord are grooming central, SomethingAwful had an adulterous pronographer and scam artist for an owner and a convicted child molster as an admin... the list goes on. Makes you think, huh?
>>98690786>>98690804ZAMN the Tlacique look like THAT?>Quetz, Xipe, Tez, Huitz, Mictlan, Cipactli, Tlaloc, and XiloneAmazing list, thank you for your assistance>still probably has room for either Mayahuel or Tepoztecatl or the Centzon Totochtin to represent drunkenness and inhibition, though you could argue Tlazoteotl, Xochipili, Xochiquetzal, or HuehuecoyotlExcellent, I will research the names and decide what makes the most sense/is coolest for the type of game I intend to run>if you then use Coatlicue using Itzpapalotl is harder to justify>you could do Coyolxauhqui for the Tzitzimime imagery while emphasizing her moon elements to keep her separate from CoatlicueThank you, Snek mommy is definitely getting in and it does sound like Coyolxauhqui is the more fitting candidate for an "old myths come alive and clash with modern nights for a contrast of past and present cultures" type of game>You could probably also throw in some mercantile and commerce deities since you don't have any of thoseThere's definitely room for them in these crazy times of ours. Some of them might find alliances and a place with the large commercial players of today, some might scoff at the degenerate nonsense of modernity. I recall once reading a story about the Chac Mool promising power to a writer as he let the old deity into his life, but ending up drowning the writer and crossdressing for fun. This could be an example of adapting to modernity. We'll see what I can come up with that makes for a fun game. Once again, many thanks.
>>98694594Oh, almost forgot that Reddit's highest karma user and one of the top admins was Uncle Jeffrey's BFF.
>>98694594they run bullshit ops on us here too all the time, we just mostly dont give enough of a shit for it to be meaningful
>>98694284In defense of Vampire anyway, they relented on the Sabbat almost immediately, and even started making adventures that were tailored for them. Besides, by Revised Noddism had come so hard to the forefront that the Sabbat was arguably the better faction for if you actually wanted to interact with the stuff happening in the buildup to Gehenna. >>98694296Based Vigil lets you play as pretty fucking evil compacts. The Ashwood Abbey being this general's favorite.
>>98694520>post-foreskin blood sucking becomes a protected act under the umbrella of circumcision
>>98694380Did it, though? The flashback happened 2 years ago from the current events, and it didn't seem like she and Amanda maintained anything closer than just friendship after the drunk kiss.
>>98694652>Based Vigil lets you play as pretty fucking evil compacts. The Ashwood Abbey being this general's favorite.I know, and it makes me a little bit sad. No love for Cheiron? Valkyrie? Vascu? Malleus Malleficarium? The Ascending Ones?
>>98694652Ashwood abbey is really funny. Imagine being a badass and evil predator of the night and some fucking degens sock you on the skull,kidnap you and then stuff you in their bdsm dungeon where you get raped all the time
You think rape is funny?
>>98694694Hilarious
>>98694694Yes
>>98694694It kinda is
>>98694694
>>98694665I'd only put Cheiron in the same ballpark as the AA of those. The others are more of a mixed bag, even if the Lucifuge can get pretty culty. >>98694670Funny as the mental image of some vampire or werewolf getting the Marcellus Wallace treatment is, the Abbey does a lot more than just rape, and that's one of the most subtle parts about them. There's a lot of ways to get your rocks off. Pic related is the first thing you read in their lore section in the HtV1e core. It's genuinely unnerving.
>>98694760>The others are more of a mixed bagAscending Ones are narco fucks, and you know how bad those get. The two V's are feds, I hope I don't need to elaborate.
>>98694520>>98694657>Camarilla takes "european vampires folklore is actually based on jews" narrative and run with it for the minority points
>>98694694you would too if it was someone you disliked enough
>>98694545HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Hedgefag you will never be safe from the Magefags
>>98694589Has it really? /tg/ has certainly become a more bitter a cynical place. Every time there's a meta thread the subject comes up, especially in regards of /tg/'s hostility to OC
>>98692734I'd add firemen, ER, detectives, if they stuck with the job for a while. Takes a will to deal with the shit they do.
>>98694832>/tg/'s hostility to OCleftypol well poisoners and it should have been obvious, anon
>>98694832That's mostly because people here really can't be bothered to stuff themselves, myself included.Call it projection all you want but lets use the recent example of the weremoths that went nowhere or how World builing got concentrated into a single thread. everyone wants to throw ideas at the wall but no one wants to pick up the pieces and work with them until you get something worth a document. The weresheep being one of the other examples.>>98694781Yeah.
>>98694948ER might reinforce willpower but diminished humanity. Childhood friend became ER nurse and basically devolved from cheerful tomboy into a husk of a misanthrope that can fake reassuring smile for exact duration of a work shift and not one second longer.
Are mages affected by the 2nd inquisition at all? Do we have any lore for them since 5e dropped or have they just fallen by the wayside?
>>98695114>Do we have any lore for them since 5e dropped or have they just fallen by the wayside?Don't think so. We never got M5 but we might get M6. I can see it already, devs learning all the wrong lessons from Revised.
>>98692541Huh... and here I thought Bakeslave was more into thighs.I do look forward to reading The Suffering of Bakeslave.
>>98692541>Bakeslave
>>98693836occam is out of mana, this has been established
>>98694769I thought VASCU had gone private now after their funding was cut? Not that that's necessarily better, mind you.
>>98694769Both Valkyrie and VASCU are pretty measured and nuanced takes on government agencies. The former especially struggles with shady/suspicious orders, but individual members aren't evil. Some can be downright heroic. Smart ones even find ways to get around some of their shadier directives.
>>98695086>Childhood friend became ER nurse and basically devolved from cheerful tomboy into a husk of a misanthrope that can fake reassuring smile for exact duration of a work shift and not one second longer.Was it the hospital politics or was it something else?
>>98690804>>98690048Wait, the Coyolxahqui art I just posted is 7mb, what is /tg/'s file size limit? It's not just 3.5mb like most boards? Anyways...>since googling things will likely give you BS info...Cont:...Of course, I can give you more specific info for most of the deities I mentioned, and I'm fine with you emailing me (saintseiyasource@gmail.com is my throwaway) but realistically I know I have a hard time getting back to people and i'm very busy right now so there's frankly an extremely high chance if you do message me, I may not reply. But still, you can if you want to and I will try to, just no promises>It does seem like Huitzilopochtli was a relatively minor deity that got elevated by the Aztecs as a national myth in order to justify their expansionism,This is a topic I need to look into more, but my understanding is that Huitzilopochtli was entirely(?) specific to the Mexica (I am assuming you already know the distinction between Aztec vs Mexica vs Nahua etc as terms, if not see here: https://archived.moe/bant/thread/24991309/#25000836_ originally as their patron ethnic god (and in fact, he may have originated as a folk hero or deified leader who was elevated to being a god within Mexica culture), and Huitzilopochtli only would have been worshipped by other Mesoamerican groups (even only first by other Nahuas) and became a part of the broader Mesoamerican pantheon of region-wide deities after the Mexica rose to becoming a major political and military power (and even then, by the time of Spanish contact, Huitzilopochtli worship was still not particularly widespread), since I know that one of the (relatively few) things they demanded their conquered subjects to do was to put up a shrine to Huitzilopochtli, and IIRC, Texcoco's great temple originally had twin shrines to Tezcatlipoca and Tlaloc, and it's only at some point later as Tenochtitlan's power grew that the Tezcatlipoca shrine was replaced with a Huitzilopochtli one6/?
>>98695398>>98690048Cont:I've seen it commonly cited by researchers that over time even in Tenochtitlan, Huitzilopochtli was regularly elevated in importance and took on more elements of Tonatiuh, but something about that has always seemed not quite right to me, and even in accounts and codices which discuss the Mexica's early history during their migrations, Huitzilopochtli already had a major role, but I guess you could argue such accounts are rrevisionist?Anyways, one of the best overviews on Huitzilopochtli iconography is "Incarnations of the Aztec Supernatural: The Image of Huitzilopochtli in Mexico and Europe", it's basically a short book or an extremely long academic paper all about the deity and his visual iconography and the way the god was then filtered through European sources as a representation of Aztec idolatry and devilry as a whole and how the deity actually became a minor demon within broader European demonology (See pic, and also how some versions of Faust has Huitzilopochtli, with a very mangled spelling, being one of the demons that gets mentioned in the tale), with a bit of focus also on Quetzalcoatl as a contrast who was a Mesoamerican deity that (to a degree) actually had their image sanitized by Europeans and friars>The Wyrm/The Abyss is a primordial entity/place/concept of entropyWhile I would caution you against taking it uncritically as a completely accurate interpretation of the way Mexica theology actually functioned and was understood by real Mexica people, since there are critics (often particularly people who study Nahuatl as a language) who push back on the idea, you might be interested in looking into James Maffie's interpretation of Aztec theology and metaphysics as a kind of Spinozan monism, as he outlines in "Aztec Philosophy: Understanding a World In Motion", which itself builds on some concepts and ideas that Leon-Portilla talks about a lot in "Aztec Thought and Culture"...7/?
>>98695114>Do we have any lore for them since 5e dropped or have they just fallen by the wayside?there is the nutjob in nightroad and book of names and a throw away line about how the global blood magic black market that came after the pyramid fell has some mortal blood mages in it and h5 mentions that the arcanum is recruiting more people who "think that magic is real"that's kinda all we have about mages in wod5
It’d be fun if we publish another fan book someday.Should the moths have their own book (short to medium), or do we combine it with other stuff (medium to big)?
>>98695638>combine it with other stuffScope creep is the death of many a project, anon. It's likely best to focus on the moths themselves.
>>98695638Just make a moth book first. When it is finished, then think about others
>>98695153>M6we do not speak of the devil in this house
>>98695383>hospital politicsread this as hospital police and had a flashback to that Stephen King book that's basically What if IT But a Librarian
>>98696069>>M6Your favourite splat WILL get raped.
>>98695383NTA but long stressful hours dealing with people at the worse time of their lives and the worse people imaginable.
>>98695086Stay away from bariatrics nurses, too, they all steal pills for their backs and they've for sure angel of mercy'd a patient with expired insulin before.
>>98696181wtf?
>Forward-looking enlightened free thinkersAkashic Brotherhood, Society of Ether, Virtual Adepts>Backward savagesCelestial Chorus, Dreamspeakers, Euthanatoi, Verbena>FaggotsOrder of Hermes>PussiesHollow Ones
>>98693962A lot of them are references to interactions and things Ive seen here. Being turned into a cat came from an anon asking why he was a cat because I posted pic rel. Getting beat up by a drone came from another anon rolling very well against my Eyes of The Wyrm while glorifying the Weaver... One anon sent changelings after him to turn him into a blonde himbo catboy Bakeslave actually is a (fleshcrafted) blonde, he just dyes his hair black as a form of rebellion but we compromised into turning him into a blonde neko with DDs. I was half tempted to write something up about the time I failed a willpower roll against Bleu's immaculate thighs but couldnt come up with a feasible plot.In a way he is sort of a community project.>>98695289He is. The lasombra just pulled out all the stops to create a no win situation. His attraction to her is also mostly artificial since she spat into his mouth after beating the shit out of him for ruining her power fantasy. Why she spat in his mouth after Im still not sure yet.>>98695303Technically sadomasochistic but is rarely in a position to exercise the sadism part.
>>98695383I don't know the full story, because her growing reluctance to deal with people outside of working hours cut me off as well, but her loss of faith in humanity seemed to be mostly about the patients rather than fellow staff. From what I've been told back when we still talked vast majority of ER cases seem to be either dumb people doing impulsive dumb shit, usually with drugs or heavy drinking involved, or even dumber people having long term consequence of their self-destructive lifestyle catching up with them. And you just end up patching up the worst of the damage but can't fix the root cause, the addict will keep shooting up whatever ungodly mixture of chemicals he can get his shaking hands on, the 400 pounds diabetic will keep having his toes rotting off, and won't care because he can no longer see or feel them. So it's fundamentally pointless waste of effort and material. Contrasted with much lesser number of legitimate accidents and people that got messed up by no fault of their own, just dumb bad luck, and you'd really want to help them so that they can get back to their normal life, but sometimes you just can't do enough to save them. That's what I've been told.My own interpretation is that we all know life is unfair, but we try not to think about it too much least it gives us crazy, so when that unfairness gets rubbed in your face on daily basis, detachment becomes a valid coping mechanism.
>>98693997Right, sorry. With such a massive movement, it would be rare that the things that move vampires into action would not be stirred themselves into revealing themselves in the process.
>>98695376>Both Valkyrie and VASCU are pretty measured and nuanced takes on government agencies...who are possibly the most abjectly evil entities in the entire world, only surpassed in sheer repugnancy by the individuals who own them.
>>98695376>individual members aren't evilYes, they are.
>>98694052Mummies would win since they have Rebuke The Vizier.
>>98696285We oughta compile all the bakeslave loreposts somewhere, shame for it all to be lost like tears in the rain desu
>>98696239They're called SONS of Ether, chud.
>>98696317Oh, God himself could not do this job!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yuEjtFSrWI
>>98692630>Maybe the standards are different in the first world, but I'm from the wrong side of former Berlin Wall and this shit really is pretty normalI don't know how to tell you this, but it's not normal in the first world. Neither is the standardised rape Russia loves.>>98692488Though we have developed a bit of a glass jaw now that food isn't grown locally.>>98693906IIRC Ascension came out and said that the Antes waking up and throwing their weight around indirectly disintegrates the consensus through psychic bullshittery and with no consensus the Technocracy is drowning in other forms of bullshit.
Finally the weekend. Will Shark finally get a new body? Hopefully a garou’s
Who would you prefer for M6 if you had to choose between Satyros or someone like Karim Muammar?
Suffer not a witch to live.
>>98693092>If the Camarilla does have a plan, I'd assume it'd be to target the very fragile infrastructure that keeps modern life afloat.That's literally their contingency plan for the Masquerade breaking in Crucible of God. And then both sides get swept by the Antediluvians rolling over the survivors.>>98694413>Ross in homid is bigger than Stig's glabroIt'll be a slaughter>>98696836Satyros has already confirmed he hasn't even been asked about M6 IIRC.
>>98696836I don't think we're getting writers like either of those, these types had some kind of conviction, even if it was retarded. The current writers are completely soulless, I think I saw some screenshots of them posting on LinkedIn about how they're making WoD into a mainstream multimedia franchise (which of course they've been planning for years now, and it never happens).
>>98696836"Satyros" made M20, as retarded as it was. Karim Muammar is a "Brand-Editor", the world alone should tell you what's up. His notable involvements were complete garbage. So yes, Brucato is by far the lesser evil.
>>98696904They don't have the permision to do any of the insane shit OwOd is at it's core. At the end of the day shit like Chechnya Controversy was the bare minimum level of bullshit you need to make it click.
Someone is about to have an encounter in the Hedge. >>>/x/42979007
>>98694663There is no chance Ogre poppenang are going to brush over this when the reason they even did it is to pander to ther xitter and redditor fanbase.
>Caitiff rights>Ghoul rights>Neonate rights>Kine rights (LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOO)
>>98692334>>98692371Strauss rocked his fit *too* hard
>>98696904>Have product with perfect niche appeal that surpassed it's original intended audience purely on reputation, raw edge, and passion>Try to increase it's mass market appeal by making it more tame and less edgy and lowering the autistic passion (hence making it more safe)>Ruin it>Repeat ad infinitumThe fate of many products
>>98693905>"Muh Chaos Magick" is an offshoot occult practice created from discount gosticism, specifically the kind that think satan was the good guy.Source?
>>98692400They aren't just immortal blood suckers. They are like super villains who regularly murder people. Even the good ones sometimes lose control to the beast from time to time. One YouTube video of a confirmed sloppy suck and you've just made a lot of new hunters.
>>98694508Ya, a blank sheet of paper has infinite creative potential, but it sure as fuck doesn't inspire much. Need some actual theories to act as creative prompts.I did like that one idea about Moths waking up to from the first nukes going off, attracted to the power of the fucking sun dropping within palpable reach.
>>98696443>...who are possibly the most abjectly evil entities in the entire world,In a setting with Belial's brood, Ashwood Abbey, and the True Fae?
>>98695515>>98690048>James Maffie's interpretation of Aztec theology and metaphysics as a kind of Spinozan monism, as he outlines in "Aztec Philosophy: Understanding a World In Motion", which...builds on some concepts...that Leon-Portilla talks about...in "Aztec Thought and Culture"...Cont:...I bring this up because within Maffie's framework, the act of preforming sacrifices and other rituals (as well as social order, sanitation, cleanliness, etc) is essentially ordering and structuring the monist energy force that makes everything up and to ensure that the necessary cosmic and natural cycles occur, when otherwise the universe would naturally decay into what is basically entropic heat death as that monist force becomes disordered. Recall in >>98689198 how I noted that literal dirt/waste, disarray, indulgence, moral or sexual deviancy, etc were all tied up into a concept known as "tlazolli": In Maffie's model, that is essentially that natural state of disordered entropy Again, this interpretation has it's critics (see reddit.com/r/nahuatl/comments/12euub3 and rotwork.wordpress.com/2022/11/26//), even the less radical concepts Maffie builds on from Portilla and some other authors (such as where Nahua deities are not animate literal entities or beings, but are mere personifications of natural cycles, and/or are more a verb then a noun, and they are the role or costume that represents them, so when a statue is adorned in their regalia or a deity impersonator embodies them prior to being sacrificed to that deity, that statue or that impersonator IS the deity by embodying them in rituals) also are rejected by some, but if you're dealing with a setting where cosmic entropy is already a part of the lore, it's worth looking at:ndpr.nd.edu/news/aztec-philosophy-understanding-a-world-in-motion/iep.utm.edu/aztec/#H2warosu.org/lit/thread/S11670156dailynous.com/2014/05/20/pip-1-huebner-interviews-maffie/mexicolore.co.uk/aztecs/home/aztec-philosophy8/?
>>98696849Ross is probably a troll
Reckoning would be more interesting if rather than becoming psychotic Imbued got their creeds from their actions, like a guy who goes out to kill werewolves with extreme prejudice becomes an avenger. Better yet make them real people with variable biases: a defender who's had interactions with Children of Gaia might not be told they're the token good of the werewolves, while a redeemer might not get that not all ghouls are unwilling slaves until one stabs him in the back.
Can a changeling turn into a True Fae?
>>98692641>>98694508>>98694536>>98697674Here's a short form of the Moth spirit waking up and flying to earth.The Moth’s sleep was interrupted by a cluster of firecrackers going off.The Moth’s massive, ghostly form moved sluggishly as it shrugged off eons of sleep. Finally, it faced the source of the fireworks.The Moth remembered the source very well, as the Moth itself had pupated and hatched from its chrysalis there.Gaia, with Helios and Luna next to it.The Moth tilted its head, its large insect antennae twitching and its proboscis uncurling as it tasted the umbral winds of deep space.Another storm of firelights came to existence and departed, and the Moth found its curiosity piqued. Then came the taste. A blend of emotions so vivid the Moth found itself reeling. Fear mixed with awe, terror blended with joy. Anger, rage, sadness – all exquisite in strength, yet with them came the flavors of pride and happiness. Then the Moth beheld wonder.Gaia lit up in a blaze of wonder and curiosity – emotions which brought the whole package together in a way the Moth had never experienced before.The Moth moved. It unfurled its massive wings, and with a single beat of its winds it landed on Luna. The Moth’s many legs cradled the now-dead surface of Luna, yet the Moth did not focus on that.The Moth saw the light in full; a bonfire of wonder and possibility.The Moth found it good.
>>98698041>Reckoning would be more interesting if rather than becoming psychotic Imbued got their creeds from their actionsThat's already what HTR does. You don't suddenly go from a forgiving but shy guy to an Avenger at the drop of the hat. Or become an Innocent when you are an angry, confrontational, and short-sighted guy.
Are any of the WoD/CofD novels worth reading? What's Eternal Hearts like?
>>98692633Why do they get an extra dot of Dex in Flutterling over Ananasi in Crawlerling?
>>98698170I like the Book of Nod, Revelations of the Dark Mother, The Ericyes Fragments but I'm a sucker for mythology. I'd put them in the same category as novels because they don't really feature game mechanics.
Dark Age Novels are fun.
>>98698081Yes
>>98693441Say what you will about my 0.5 game ass and my fan-splat about Fish People still being rather mechanically fluid; at least I actually finished and played it. Dagon the Descent is a playable fansplat of Old World of Darkness V20. And I am glad I stood by Fish Anon’s side until the end to finish it
>>98698081Yeah, in the first edition simply by reaching Wyrd 10 and Clarity 0, while in second edition they need an "Eldritch Entitlement".
>Wendigo? What's that is it like a stolen moon?>"Get" of Fenris, I think you mean Cult, they're Nazi werewolves.>Mages really aren't that powerful, they have to worry about paradox after all>if you think about it, the Technocracy are actually the good guys!>My favorite clan? Tremere of course>Just like Kevin haha I love that guy have you seen Hunter: The Parenting?>it's a storytelling game about personal horror!
>>98698229Ananasi breed book page 74 gives the crawlerling form 6 dex
>>98698413Has nobody brought up how toxic turning the anti fascist wolfs into nazis is?
>>98698413Nice bait, mixing stuff you hate with the stuff people here hate to try to one side the issues.But at least try to make it less obvious. Someone who likes W5 design choices like Cult of Fenris would also think the Technocracy is just fascists that deserve to be unplayable.
>>98698170The Requiem novels in Chicago are pretty fun. They cover a few viewpoints, the Lancea Sanctum Bishop is great. The Carthian is pretty cringe "I played San Andreas so I know about the street", the Nosferatu that opens the novel is a lot of fun though. You join him on his embrace, having a real bad time.
>>98698450>Ananasi femboysMmh, fuck~
>>98698507>Someone who likes W5 design choices like Cult of Fenris would also think the Technocracy is just fascists that deserve to be unplayable.They're divided in half. There's still a lot of Technocracy fans out there.
>>98698466Yeah but nazis like nordic history and myths
>>98698651They also like larping as the crusaders who wiped a lot of those out
So, Stig's plan wasn't that honorable: either smashhing a fucking tank against a wooden house and probably crush someone, or blow it apart with its gun.
zero survival instinct
>>98698648Half if not the majority of Mage fans are Technocracy fans. Hell, even this thread is like that. If they and W5 fans were the same people, we would know about it. Last I checked, they were dreading now that time has come for Paradox to molest Mage like they did with VTM,WTA and HTR.
>>98698748I like the Technocracy too, there's just a huge difference between Technocracy fans and "the Technocracy are the good guys, the Traditions are actually the bad guys."
>>98698744>Ragebaiter vs average inner city youth
>>98697918>shit is natural state of the world>you can make it into something good by killing peopleSurprisingly reasonable and modern view.
>>98698744where is that from? Also total red talon death
He is transported to world of darkness one day. He has no idea what is going on with all the wod shit. How do various splats react to his existence?Superhero spirits from the umbra would presumably get stronger (they canonically exist.) consensus might also change to allow real superpowers, which some factions of the technocracy wanted anyway. Naturally the wyrm , camarilla, etc would be super pissed off
So how does Paradox scale up with regards to witnesses? Is it a linear scale or does it get silly fast?
>>98699283It's typically a binary of "you're witnessed by any number of mortals, or you're not witnessed at all." Paradox rules are dependent on edition but with M20, being witnessed only matters if you botch.
>>98699401That makes the Taftani way less impressive with how they go out of their way to get as many witnesses as possible.
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>>98699283By default? It doesn't scale. It depends on whether it is Concidental/Vulgar with Witness or Without Witness.
>>98699424It was a bit more impressive back in Revised, when even successfully casting a vulgar spell in front of witnesses was punished with a pile of Paradox.But Revised also had any magic other than technomancy be vulgar due to the Technocracy winning the Ascension War.
>>98699274>Naturally the wyrm , camarilla, etc would be super pissed offAfter frustrated attempts to steer him towards rivals. I think the hard part would be that he refuses to read more than a paragraph at a time, so you couldn't just leave lore and a hitlist of antediluvian and neverborn boss fights for him to discover.
>>98699274Get him hot girls who will play videogames with him and he'll never get out of his incelcave
So, if WoD was to get a CRPG (any splat) who would be best, Larian or Owlcat? Or someone else?>>98699457It was worse, using any vulgar magic at all would get you nuked by paradox, even without witnesses. The only difference was how big the paradox backlash is right away
>>98699588The devs that made the modern Deus Ex Games, Wastelands, Atom RPG and other similar games are probably better choicesLarian and Owlcat mainly worked for medieval fantasy stuff, I doubt their skills would transfer well to modern stuffTechnically CDPR did it with CP77 but I haven't played that yet
>>98699103Red Talons tribe book
>>98697725Yes.
>>98698744Red Talon retard. At first, the Lynx was bothering no one. Then when the encounter happened the Lynx surrendered, but the woof kept being menacing. So the lynx stood his ground. Afterwards the wolf escalated the situation with the wolf form, but tried to talk it out… using the language only wolves can understand. The Lynx saw that discussion was still possible so he tried to defuse the situation with humour and taking a form that they could both communicate with, only for the dumb dog to kill him.And what did the Red Talon took away from this needless violence? “Just kill them on sight next time.”Someone skin that moron. His pelt could be put to better use elsewhere.
>>98698041Nah, it's fine as it is morality wise. The thing would be making the creeds more nuanced, like an avenger willing to outright team up with werewolves to fight Pentex or a defender going homelander because he's beyond human now.
>>98699650Red Talons unironically think higher thought and human intellect are bad things.
>>98698133Opinions? I'm going to expand this to include the weremoths waking up too.
>>98699754They're designed as an antagonist splat, as one of the more unreasonable tribes who you need to convince to cooperate with you, and if you are playing a Red Talon, you're expected to play a Whelp's Compromise.
>>98698413Why did they do that to the Get anyways?
>>98699796Because they hate White people and seek to destroy anything related to White culture, history and society. Haven't you gotten the hint already?
>>98699796Director of W5 was a second generation Muslim immigrant Swede, who has come to associate any sort of Norse imagery with white supremacist movements, so turning the Get of Fenris into villains was an absolute must for him, to the point where he terminated an entire studio who was working on the game and delayed W5 by a year or two, solely because they refused to do what he wanted to the Get of Fenris.
>>98699816>Second-generation muslims immigrant turns a Norse-themed, popular Garou Tribe into a caricature of racist neonazisThis by itself reads like a satirical post.
>>98699816Note: Expressing such sentiments as>White people deserve to continue existing>Europe and America shouldn't take infinity migrants at the expense of its native populations>maybe we should do something about the Muslim rape gangs acting unopposed throughout our countries...makes you a "white supremacist".
>>98699816>Refused to write a guide on playing a nazi werewolf>There are three groups of race purists within the Garou Nation (Silver Fangs, Red Talons and the Wendigo)So this is why the tribes ended up so shit, they didn't want to write tribes at all
>>98699816>>98699838And aren't they pretty much just turning the Cult back into what the Get of Fenris was before W5 now because of fans complaining?>>98699857Yeah those were the good kind of race purists.
>>98699857Everyone basically concluded that Muammar and Achilli, the director and primary writer of the project, didn't actually like W5 and spent most of W5's development stripping out the bits they hated and replacing them with nothing, leaving W5 as half of a game that expects each table to come up with the rest of the game for itself.
>>98699650that got me wonderingwhat if you filled a bar with Ceilican, Nuwisha, Pooka, and Qualmi?
>>98699860>turning the Cult back into what the Get of Fenris was my brother in gaia, w6 was erased from the consensus
>>98699921Oh no
>>98699921>non-definitive, order TBDWe should take bets on who’s first to the “6” chopping block.VTM is the safest bet, followed by MTA since that one’s been in the works for some time.
>>98699790so fucking funny how they hedge their bets but also neo nazis or whatever, who have genuinely far less evil goals and intentions are ok, at least nazis only want to kill all jews or whatever
>>98699954Well. they had to make it clear that no, an entire tribe wasn't completely unplayable if you didn't want to play a wolf who wanted absolute human genocide who could occasionally take human form.
>>98699921https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Bygone_(WOD)Another L for woofs
>>98699790What about a Red Talon that was actually raised lovingly by humans in a zoo and is secretly plotting to kill the tribe out of spite?
>>98700119>satyrsL for the Changelings.
>>98700162>Dude this guy came from a zoo do we even want him?>No sissy wolves allowed>Erebus behold me, what is a sissy>Don't worry about it. Never give him the Rite of Passage, give him to the walkers for all I care
>>98700162Nothing wrong with "humans are nice actually" Talons."Humans are nice and I'm going to kill any Red Talon who says otherwise" just feels like a weird tryhard thing from someone who hates the tribe's concept a little too much.
>>98700194Too many homid are boomerang bigots, I just want a Talon who goes Isaac on other Talons.
>>98700175Or a survivor from a fighting ring who has a twisted sense of loyalty for their master anyway. I mean, werewolves are brutal as it is, the only difference is that in this case it was sort of slavery
>>98700224This one actually has some drama potential behind the idea. You can't have two masters, after all. Gotta choose, Gaia or Master.
>>98700162And a ragabash metis hitting every chance to remind everybody how human and unwolflike the extermination sentiment is
>>98700234Or a homid who's all HFY and sees themselves as something like a space marine or spartan, essentally just a modified human.
>>98699954Sorry chud, Red Talons are picket fence sign bloggers now
I NEED a delicious minty scented Sidhe cock. I will be your servant and swear your stupid oath but PLEASE
True Fae loli wife
>>98699921Wraith keeps winning by virtue of being dead.
>>98698133Are the firecrackers nuclear bombs? So the Moth spirit wouldve made it to Earth somewhere in the 1950s maybe?
>>98700240>Or a homid who's all HFY and sees themselves as something like a space marine or spartanI don't think the union recruits non-humans
True Fae twunk husband
>>98700504Eh, I can see it
>>98700548>tfw squids are smarter than you are
>>98700411If we are tying the time of their return to nuclear bombs then my theory of the moths spirits being trapped in the Labyrinth and being released during the Fifth Great Maelstrom carries more weight. The anon who suggested the spirits inhabiting moth eggs as their way of getting their physical forms back was definitely better than what I came up with.
>>98700616Its probably going to be a combination of the nukes and the moon landing that does it
>>98700616>>98700636Nuclear bombs brought the Moth spirit (the big one) to Earth but the weremoths arent revived yet
>>98698507I like the role they play in W5 (mascots for Hauglosk), I just hate that it's the corpse of the Get playing that role
>>98699598Owlcat made Rogue Trader, and it was a blast and a half.They're working on Dark Heresy and apparently introducing investigation mini-games, which shows they can go for breadth when needed.Best of all, they didn't shy away from the brutality of 40k, so I feel they can do WoD justice... at least until politics start showing up.
>>98699650>defusing with humorI dunno man that sounds retarded to attempt with any garou, let alone the ragiest rangers that ever raged
>>98699884Wizards of the Coast should hire them for 6e
>>98699884>MuammarHonestly, how is this piece of shit still around?
>>98700832He is a second generation immigrant in Sweden and in a Swedish company what the fuck do you expect?
>>98700856I thought he was a convert that changed his name.
>>98700832Same way Rudi is
>>98700856Fuck, maybe I should move to Sweden.
>>98700548Sorry sweetie, reality deviants can't undergo such Procedures. Best we can do is turn you into a test subject.
>>98699921>Hey probably gonna do the splats that didn't make it into 5e first>After vampire, everyone wants to fuck vampires, obviously>Reee they'll never do another werewolf again!
>>98694545I truly can't think of anyone calling 4chan that in recent years.
>>98694545The current lead artist for battletech was a namefag regular on the /btg/ threads
>>98700636>moon landingYou know who could be the moths' allies?
>>98701213>elsa, alice and tinker bell are here to help the moths
>>98698333Hey, speaking of which, where to find Descent? Searched for it and other fansplats, but couldn't find it. Only the popular stuff like Zombie: The Coil and Senshi.
>>98700791Owlcat is also working on The Expanse.Their games are kinda jank but very SOUL. My biggest grip with them are management minigames. In Kingmaker you become a ruller of a country and have to deal with many issues that come with it. In WotR you're leader of the crusade and have to manage that. In Rogue Trader you are... a Rogue Trader and has to manage a bunch of stuff as well, planets, resources, ship, etc. Rogue Trader one is least invasive, but still you can't 100% ignore it. If Owlcat were to make a WoD game after the prologue you'd become a Prince, a Primogen or at least a Sheriff.
Does anyone have a pdf of Hunter: The Reckoning Legacy of Defiance Sourcebook?
>>98701404sorry it's not in any of the troves i know
>>98701404>Legacy of DefianceIrc
i am sorry i know this is a newbie question, but what are the differences between vigil 1e and 2e? and is there a list where i can see which book belongs to which edition?
>>98701460>is there a list where i can see which book belongs to which edition?https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Hunter:_The_Vigil_books
>>98701488Arigato
>>98699444Gay thoughts win. --> Get twink pregnant. --> Go to boynecologist, but can't afford an aboyrtion. --> Punch twink tummy.
Why is this shit so quiet? Did elysium get bombed again?
>>98701756It's a saturday night, most americans are either asleep or getting drunk
>>98699401Once again it just sounds like M20 was the power fantasy edition for mages (at least compared to Revised). I swear every time rules between mage editions come up M20 is always the most generous one (outside of the sphere cost book everyone hates).
>>98701764You *hic* take that back
>>98701460There's some mechanical differences between 1e and 2e in general. Like in 2e your Defense is the lower of your Wits or Dexterity, plus Athletics. Your Defense in 1e doesn't use Athletics, just the attributes.
>>98701756I am watching animé in a separate tab.
>>98701756busy playing with my group also ate a random ip ban yesterday
>>98701756Celebrating my mother’s birthday and we’re watching Harry Potter together. She and my dad came back from a trip to England and went to the Harry Potter expedition
>>98701773From the thumbnail I couldn’t see the boobs and I thought it was a delicious half naked trap. ShameI also thought that it was Bakeslave
>>98701772Actually, it was more of a return to form after Revised intentionally made vulgar magic much more punishing. In 2e, you didn't gain a single point of Paradox for successfully casting a vulgar spell, witnesses or no witnesses. It's more accurate to say that Mage the Ascension was always a power fantasy game and that Revised was the misery porn edition of it.And M20 does provide optional rules for Revised-style Paradox if that is the table's preference.
>>98701756you keep posting gay shit to annoy everyone >>98701750
>>98701756I'm leveling all the useless skills in zomboid
>>98701756I've had Mass Effect Legendary Edition in my backlog for too long. Time to remind myself just how bad that ending really was.
>>98701818That >>98701750 is not me.
>>98701764L-loserbros, tell this is not true.
>>98701899silence is complicity
>>98701905I wish I was getting drunk but I'm too ill to do that shit.Not gonna lie these games are one of the few reasons I don't kill myself in a very stupid way.
>>98701988You may add Necromancy as a fourth in clan discipline.
>>98702136Knowing myself, odds are I would end up with Thanatosis because can't have shit over here.
>>98701856This Mass Effect 3 had bad ending meme needs to die because it had far worse parts. Such as Good. You opened this message. This isn't actually asari military command. They're busy tending to what's left of their planet. So you survived our fight on Thessia. You're not as weak as I thought. But never forget that your best wasn't good enough to stop me. Now an entire planet is dying because you lacked the strength to win. The legend of Shepard needs to be re-written. I hope I'm there for the last chapter. It ends with your death.
>points of aggravated damage rolling permanent paradox + arete against difficulty 6guess that's one way to haze the new guy
>>98702360If he's a new guy he has arete 1 and thus a 50 50 to take a single aggravated. Unpleasant but.. not deadly. If it's somebody stepping across the gauntlet themselves, it's minimum 3 dice which is still "only" 1 1/2 on average and 3 at max. If he can somehow soak agg, it's pretty trivial.Mages stepping across the gauntlet and nuking you is actually a degenerate strat that most creatures except Garou have no response to.
Man, Reckoning would've been the shit if the devs made them more like witchers or grimm than Supernatural, like:-Defenders are outright superhuman within what they consider home, but limited to a neighborhood.-Judges having a Penance Stare abilitiy that inflicts pain proportional to the one their targets have caused regardless of guilt.-Martyrs swapping splats with their targets, thoug that's more of a punishment.-Avengers channeling Beowulf against a particular supernatural.And so on.
>>98702505Or more:-Defenders turning their homes into prisons where supernaturals are rendered normal.-Judges being able to turn, say, Red Talons into humans in body and mind.-Innocents being untouchable by guilty supernaturals.-Avengers being able to temporarily turn abused kinfolk into proper Garou to set them at their abusers for payback.
>>98696443What's evil about VASCU? I thought they're just like Will Graham types.
>>98702344I'm not a fan of the cereal killer either
>>98702559Grooming mentally unstable young men to become mass shooters to pad your budget, but this time you do it with psychic powers instead of drugs and blackmail.
>>98702559They are, he's just projecting his feelings about the IRL FBI on them.
>>98701803That's sounds really nice. Have good watch!
>>98701364https://docs.google.com/document/d/1a2bPJfP-vnqZ0Jevb1qaHLaQZbE5IejaoyyrWXbfaQM/edit?usp=sharingDon't know about stuff like Alienanon, Knights and such. For Dagon you ask me or Fish Anon, I go to my google docs and copy paste it into the thread.You can also try and search for it on Suptg (good luck, I don't anyone mentioned it in the archive's description) IF you are actually interested in DtD and want to help, I would welcome you with open arms, because all the spells are still incomplete from a mechanical standpoint and I need help because I don't play this game
>>98702344Heh
>>98700194"Humans are nice and I'm going to slaughter any Talon who says otherwise" is basically another way of saying "Humans deserve to exist and I will not allow them to be slaughtered like cattle", so a willingness to throat other Red Talons makes perfect sense here. It's just that at this point the woof would be unwilling to join the Talons, even if his ancestry came from them.
>>98703342>a willingness to throat other Red TalonsKinky
Are yeren a good matchup for garou?
>>98703342Not all anti-humanity Red Talons are "purge the humans, Impergium now." There's a couple of camps with more moderate approaches that involved defending Wyld places first and foremost and limiting any killing of humans to trespassers who step foot in their territory.
>>98700548The things a progenitor will do to avoid inventing a cure for cancer
>>98703447Don't worry the Smart Squids will invent a cure for cancer for usSquid cancer, that is. Not human cancer, who gives a shit?
>>98703443Yeah, until they kill people that get lost and their Avenger relatives come to, well, avenge them.
>>98703453And then a Pentex subsidiary moves in and turns the caern that the Red Talons were protecting into a logging site that rapidly becomes a wound and plagues the local community to Banes.
>>98703463Can imbued fight banes? That would solve a lot of problems.
>>98703447They tried, the Syndicate put a stop to that
>>98703479Their first mistake was making it a permanent cure
>>98703471There are some edges which could be very useful against spirits, but for the most part, standard Imbued are woefully ill-equipped and ill-educated when it comes to dealing with spirits. They're much more likely to kill Garou who are far more capable of dealing with problematic spirits.
>>98703422In a direct fight? Eh. Their attributes are better in Crinos (They have less Strength and Stamina but +1 Dexterity and +2 Athletics than a woof Crinos which is better in the grand scheme of things) but they don't deal Aggravated damage with their claws or bites.
>>98703490To be honest, a permanent cure out of nowhere would get rekt by paradox.
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