Backseat Driving EditionPrevious: >>98712799>Newshttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-banned-and-restricted-february-9-2026https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-february-9-2026>Current Banlisthttps://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned>Bracket Informationhttps://files.catbox.moe/4tbvzw.pnghttps://files.catbox.moe/r62yfy.png>Former Commander Website: Learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committeehttps://mtgcommander.net>Card Searchhttps://scryfall.com>Card Statistics: See what everyone else puts in their Commander decks based on what is posted to the Internethttps://www.edhrec.com>Deck List Sites: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choiceshttps://www.archidekt.comhttps://www.moxfield.com>Manabase Information: Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identityhttps://managathering.com>Proxy Guidehttps://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM>Preconshttps://magicprecons.comTQ: Ever had games where other people taught you how to better build/pilot your own deck? How did you handle it?
>>98719636They didn't do it directly, but indirectly.>friend only has money and energy to build one deck>he plays Zurgo>know that there is very likely gonna be a requirement for me to remove a creature that is often indestructible>okay how do I deal with indestructible>look into spells that give -x/-x until end of turn, exile, et.c.>deckbuilding improves due to it and get to pull out some extremely niche fun cards that no one at the table has seen sadly the same thing didn't work on him - I often put his commander in the Moon, and he has yet to build any kind of enchantment/any permant removal...
https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/marchesamadnessmonarchy/alright, I'm kinda stuck with this Deck. be honest, am I gonna make it? do you think you would have fun playing against it? and where do you see room for improvement in the future?
>>98719661building marchesa is just building control to keep being the monarch, using her as a vamp tribal commander instead of edgar just to say you're unique enough to not use edgar isn't the way to goalso LOL @ blood moon in this kind of pile it's just bad all around
>>98719661vampire decks create themselves, honestly, you can put nearly any card in there and be fine.>marchesai think that monarch unironically makes EVERY game more interesting. everyone (especially lower bracket/skill lvls) wants card draw at any cost, so it becomes contested ballgame where whoever grabs monarch will be targeted next, for the entire game.
>>98719651That's reasonable! My general suggestion then is non-combo Turbo-Draw ala Matoya, considering Fblthp is a command zone Thoracle (with the neat & fair caveat that you deal combat damage to activate his "show's over chucklenuts" effect)!
>>98719694I fucking love Monarch
Huh wonder why I'm not running Boromir, he's got a great sacrifice ability and slows the game down some and->the ring temps youOh yeah nevermind
Hold on isn't this a break? Conditional murder at 0 creatures on your side>If you control you commander, destroy target creature with toughness less than or equal to the number of lands you control
>>98719759you have better things to do with a ton of lands than to kill a single creature for 4 mana
>>98719772I'm not asking if it's good I'm asking if it's a break
>>98719759You may as well argue it's a colour pie break for fuckin' land counting while you're at it
>>98719776it's not a break green has had bite effects since 2010
>>98719781>>98719791They said it's a break if you use in color effects for an off color one. For example you can't do>mono u card, return target creature to the top of its owner's library, then that player mills a cardIn this case, it lets you destroy a creature without having creatures on the field in mono g
>>98719827Anon, what does the first effect of Kamahls Will do?
>>98719836It turns your lands to creaturesSo it's using two in pie effects to get an off color one. Since you didn't have creatures when you cast it
>>98719827blue has been wrathing creatures into the library for a long time now and that's oftentimes worse than them being sent to the gy just how new are you?
Why is it so hard to win with yshtola on bracket 2, i thiught you guys hated it for being op but since everyonr is playing aggro i cannot stop 3 crazy dudes just spamming creature and drawing.
>>98719843In other words, the first effect gives you creatures. Now, what is the second effect of Kamahls Will?
>>98719848See >>98719776
>>98719843>wotc designing cards where colors go to extreme lengths just to do something that others can do very efficiently to highlight the differences between them? say it ain't so!
>>98719855Can you please not act obtuse and reply to my argument>mono g card, create a 1/1 token with deathtouch, it fights target creatureThat would be a break no? Two in pie effects for an off pie one
>>98719853>b2She wants b3 minimum to have all the free counters. Also you want to run curiosity, ophidian eye, the infect options, and things like Sigil of Sleep to cripple everyone's board state.
>>98719853Bro your propaganda? Your ghostly prison? Your boardwipes?
>>98719857>>98719866you were already told that it's not >>98719791now stop being autistic just because you don't like the answer
>>98719873Can you argue why it's not? Based on how designers defined it, does it not fall under that definition?>>98719863Hmm this one's suspicious. Maybe more like a bend? Since it's choice based. May be a break too
>>98719883>Since it's choice based. Giving the player a choice makes it a Browbeat effect, where the option is just to eat the damage or give the Red player what they want. Even if it's out of pie, like drawing three cards. The other side of the effect has been within Red since Aura Barbs, where Red's enchantment hate tends to simply burn the owner of it.
>>98719883>but wotc said-wotc for the longest time said black can never have enchantment removal, and now it has itwotc also said UB will never be standard legal, but now it isnow stop being an autistic fuck
>>98719866>Can you please not act obtuse and reply to my argumentAll I'm doing is asking simple questions. Why are you so defensive about it?>That would be a break no? Two in pie effects for an off pie oneNow we're getting somewhere. What is the difference between your hypothetical targeted removal and Kamahls Will? Hint: it's the same as "top deck bounce, then mill" VS "blue top deck" + "mill"
would this be too strong as an actual card? i fuckign hate sitting here for 15 minutes watching one guy take slow as fuck turns get me ouuuuuuttttt
>>98719890So is it in pie for red or no?>>98719891Wotc has the final say yes. They said black can have it so now it's in pie. Nothing to argue over that. Currently they say what I mentioned earlier. Tomorrow they could change it, but according to their current stance, it's a break for green, no?
>>98719903I don't understand your last question. Your arguing "destroy target creature with toughness less than or equal to the number of lands you control" would be in pie?
>>98719912>it's a break for green, no?again no it's not you mentally disabled bastard
>>98719908It's a nigh-uninteractable, mass counterspell/pseudo extra turn effect that can be cast for as little as UU. Of course the card that singlehandedly shuts down all but the most degenerate decks of an entire fucking archetype is too strong
>>98719941Why not? You didn't explain why or address my point
>>98719956you also don't provide any sources of wotc saying that using in color effects to get an off color one is a break you retard
>>98719920Thank you for justifying why I'm taking it so slow with you. The former is a self-contained effect that is functionally identical to black removal, and thus a colour break. However, the latter is a synergistic pair of cards within a single colour (Blue), which is merely a consequence of the effects within ones colour pie working in tandem. Now, I'm going to give you the simplest possible question I can. What is the difference between the latter case I just mentioned and Kamahls Will?
>>98719963>https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/making-magic/a-double-take-part-2Following "The classic example of this is a green creature.. ">https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/making-magic/a-double-take-part-2Maro saying Body double is a breakSaying they're from 2022 and 2023 won't make an argument, since they haven't commented on this ever since, so it's the current stance>>98719970You mean the latter are two separate cards? The difference is Kamahl's is a single card
>>98719997body double is in practical terms a better zombify one-upping black on something it's supposed to be very good at, imagine if black had this exact same card, hence why it is a breakkamahl's will however asks that the green player>have a ton of lands, which isn't guaranteed for every green deck as decks like elfball don't ramp using lands>ask for 4 mana for single target creature removal, which is overcosted
>>98719908just make it counterable and it's a pretty funny/fairer card.
>>98720022>and have your commander out too, which is another ask
>>98719997this maro article is partly about why they will never do planar chaos style cards anymore not that 'in color effects to get an off color one is a break' and why reality fracture doesn't have a green counterspell for GG you idiot
>>98720022>>98720028So it's not a break because it's overcosted? I thought that applied only to colorlessThen the snake in Maro's example wouldn't be a break if it cost 8 mana?
>>98720041will isnt a break because it asks that you have a lot of lands and viper isnt a break because it has deathtouch, things green is known for not colorless
>>98719753>the ring temps youdas rite
>>98719997Exactly! Kamahls Will is effectively a two card synergistic pairing on one card. However! Because it requires a commander to perform that synergistic pairing, it mimics the reason why two card synergistic pairings are justified; they require more cards than another colour would! Combined with the fact that both of KWs effects are in-colour, it completely avoids breaking the colour pie! Honestly, it's pretty neat!
>>98720026>>98719950like so?
best commander for pauldronmaxxing?
>>98719827
>>98720067Better, now you've got a fun guessing game where combo players have to figure out what lines they need to play around it
>>98720067>>98720086worse than mindbreak trap
>>98720036>>98720050That was by bad, this was supposed to be my first link>https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/making-magic/commander-masters-storyteller-part-1>By combining things in color, you can often design cards that are out of colorAlso ambush viper is a break>https://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/816745618977570816/is-ambush-viper-a-color-pie-break/amp>>98720058So you'd say>mono g card, if you control your commander, destroy target creature with toughness less than or equal to the number of lands you controlIs not a break? You argument is that, since it needs the commander, another card, the rule is bypassed? Am I understanding it correctly?
>>98720094maro's wrong on a lot of things, and this is one of them, green has so many deathtouch creatures that it's silly to say that just adding flash (something green is secondary at btw) is an immediate breakwhat maro is essentially saying here is that 'we just don't want green to have this level of combat tricks in limited', which isn't really out there as the man is known for talking his way out of things
>>98720069Zenos Yae Galvus obviously
>>98720069Marneus Calgar seems like the obvious answer
>>98720113Ok so you concede Kamahl's is a break according to his logic? Then we can discuss your new point, which is if the logic is sound in the first place. Where I agree with you, its not so much
>>98720133Thats a new one
>>98720140>Ok so you concede Kamahl's is a break according to his logic?i already disagree with him saying viper is a break so naturally i will disagree with him on will, will was printed on commander legends which was led by verhey btw which tells you that maro isn't the be all end all of thingsi keep telling you to stop being autistic because you're just too disabled to understand that there are things that are considered beyond the color pie, like why do you think green STILL doesn't have a trample deathtouch creature? you really think the only thing stopping them from printing such a creature because it's a 'break cuz with lure it's a wrath!'?
>>98720165it's quite old, actually
>>98720094You are not, as your hypothetical is one effect and not two, like KW
why are you guys posting singles? just post the list.https://mtg.wiki/page/List_of_color_pie_breaks
>>98720202>green flyer hate is color breakthis shit's fucking retarded
>>98720202>list of breaks according to a single wotc employee, mark rosewaterlmao
>>98719870I boardwipe and they just put dou le the creatures each turn, since they run loterally no interaction, they just hit face to anyone.
>blasphemous act is a break, says maro>printed in og innistrad, a set he was the lead designer for
>>98720167Maro is the end of all things regarding color pie. You may disagree that he should, but that's a completely different discussion. My question is if according to all logic presented by wotc on the pie, Will is a break. Which you don't seem interested in discussing>>98720170Your argument is>the restriction on 2 effects making 1 off effect is true>this restriction is bypassed by having another card, the commanderNo? So>If you control your commander, bounce to top and mill oneIs in pie? I don't think that makes sense.
>>98720225I thought Innistrad was designed by Garfield.
>>98720235>Maro is the end of all things regarding color pie.he clearly is not despite his position, that's why verhey managed to print kamahl's will right under his nose (kek) in the first place
>>98720214>I dont check sources for I must yaphow to make yourself look like a retard in one easy step
>>98720249>i don't check sources!>the sources in question
>>98720247>verheythe guy who just allowed a set to release commons raping his personal baby, pauper, right under his nose? forcing him to make a decision he was forced to take back within hours?
>>98720261i don't see why hasbro telling verhey that SLDs are now effectively Pauper Horizons so he shouldn't break that piggy bank has anything to do with maro being right
>>9872026090% of the sources can be summed up as: at the time it wasnt a break. today it would be.
I was looking through my bulk equipment cards and damn I forgot just how fucking ass this shit is. Why does white have some of the worst mythic rares in the game
>>98720202Guess he forgot this one.
>>98720282it really do be maro dick sucking hours right now eh?
>>98719868I cannot make it work on b2? Damn....
>>98720291>im out of arguments so I must yap
>>98720286speaking of equipmentis Moonsilver Spear too slow for today's mtg? i love the avacynian flavor but damn 8 is a whole lot of mana to be dumping into making one 4/4
>>98720298>i suck maro's dick THIIIIS BIIIIG so i win!
>>98720305Moonsilver Spear was too slow when it was first printed.
>>98720287since most cards listed are people asking maro about specific cards or are maro speaking on conventions about the color pie the card likely never came up.
>>98720052Dude I do not remember a single part of the ring temptation chart, it's as foreign to me as delving into the dungeon
>wait a minute is that a white creature having haste somewhere in its text box? maro help they're desecrating the piiiiiiiiiiie
>>98720305I think if you cheat it out and have an attack trigger doubler, you can brute force it
>>98720340Fuck the pie. Each color should GENERALLY do a thing, but it should get rare gimmicks as well.
>>98720339skulklooterpseudo deathtouchnot afflict 3also turns legendary. quite easy to remember if you remove all the unnecessary words.
I miss the clone meta.
>>98720433you'll have it again soon enough
>>98720286Theres a Story to about why its if I remember right, something about last minute changes/ needs
>>98720433clones are still fucking busted because creatures just keep getting stronger. they are, however, running up against the fact that busted creatures are increasingly falling below 4 mana, making them less efficient.
>>98720443fell for the clone meme once. way too easy to abuse and every clone deck plays the same. got bored within weeks.
Just got this guy to make a mono white deck. Are there better ways to come back from board wipes other than indestructible or phasing out?
>>98720443or people just use creatures that are so impactful on etb that by the time you get to copy them it's already too late
>>98720458Faiths reward
>>98720458Continue?Sun TitanSevinne's Reclamation
>>98720443Remember when Progenitor Mimic was the talk of the town? I member. Still run it too
>>98720457I was planning to make Akroma-Sakashima for a mega anthem machine, is it too slow?
>>98720457Yup I've found that to be the case too. At first it was so exciting to craft wins on the fly, then realizing how easy it is to when when you just pay four mana to get the best thing on the board.
>>98719654It makes 2 snow creatures for yourself, and 3 for your enemies (which it does twice). Unless someone's playing aristocrats most of them are likely to survive without a boardwipe. The floor is a draw 2 since your defenders outstat the opposing creatures, and it's very likely to draw 4 which makes it above-rate compared to Concentrate, and while that would be excusable if it stopped there (it's a saga and a gold card with an out), it sets itself up for a ceiling of draw 6-8 if someone griefs, and because this is Commander that's very often. All 3 designs are a lot like ABU cards in that they have a clear vision for the flavor but gave very little consideration for the emergent gameplay. Turning all basics into snow lands is a disastrous line of text when Break the Ice exists in the same colors.The first iteration of Calvinball has multiple ways it could be interpreted but all of them are frustrating in the same way as Deadpool because of how much permanent unmarked information you need to start tracking off one card.The second iteration of Calvinball has a colossal powergap between modes. 1 and 3 are crippling while mode 2 does almost nothing even into GY decks. Consequently all that's ever going to happen is someone chooses mode 2 then passes it back to its owner to force them to pick between the options that actually penalize you. There is no universe you should put modes 1 and 3 on that card for 4 mana, much less a generic artifact.
>>98720476Man that takes me backAfter playing with brackets for a while, I'd say I don't dislike em. I only play bracket 2 and it lets me run obsolete nostalgiabait like that one. I do miss some chame gangers (ad naus is cool and fair in a fair deck and I will die on that hill) but overall it was a worthwhile sacrifice
>>98720458I run this guy. Perfect for mono white tokens. Gives you a buff and brings something back for 6 mana. Good rate when Karmic Guide only does it for 5, and can't be kicked. Late game you can really come back from a board wipe when you have 8+ mana.
>>98720476put me in coach.
My friends run perfect mana fix and basically win on turn 5, saying they dont break b2 rules since no 2 card combos and no GC.I don't really know what to do.
>>98720545You can't win on t5 in b2 it's not allowed
>>98720545post the game winning play
>>98720544He's still in my colorless Eldrazi deck for the ramp.
>>98720439Reminder that Sheldon thought this was stronger than Flash/Hulk.
>>98719853>i thiught you guys hated it for being opNo, retard, people hate it for being a braindead commander. And now you're learning "I don't like it" != I can't beat it" the hard way.
>>98720554Well it was turn 4, ureni, with haste (from that enchanment that also ping for eavh dragon on the field), hit the dragon that gives you treasure for damage (anny dragon with mana would suffice desu, attacked then got the helkite, with the mana he just last chance and destroy everyone on the extra turn.
>>98720565I will never forgive cedh trannies for banning flash. I loved flashing in gary and other mid plays with it. I will never forget
>>98720544Yea buddy
>>98720574He has to sandbag and pass the turnYou can't win in b2 before turn 8
>>98720577just play sneak attack retard
people at my lgs actually just sit with combos on board until turn 6 and then win on upkeep.
>>98720577You may as well blame 60-card trannies for getting Tinker banned because you couldn't search Aladdin's Lamp. Flash is a card that was very obviously going to age extremely poorly as WotC started making 7+ mana creatures have actual text on them instead of being a 6/4 no text.
>>98720590>>98720596if he has to sandbag he is already violating bracket restrictions. unless you got christmas land hand and draw your deck simply shouldnt be in a winning position.
How viable will Prime Time Jr be? You could run a lot of fight spells and use him as a deterrent.
>>98720574i don't see how that amounts to 120 damage, can you post the opponent's line from T1, you larper?
>>98720606Overrated. Spends a week being hyped up then drops off the face of the Earth as people realize it's not consistent at all.
>>98720604>unless you got christmas land hand and draw your deck simply shouldnt be in a winning position.they fucked up so hard by printing turn 2 combos in precons
>>98720604>being restricted to specific turns just to combo off? i'm not some dumb aggro player i will combo off as soon as i have it!>wait you have a 33.33% chance of popping off turn 4? sorry but that's too consistent my deck otoh only has a 30.5% chance of popping off turn 4 so mine is acceptable for b2 while yous isnt
>>98720613>the precon combo memecome on anon. you wouldnt fall for this pathetic reddit bait would you? the combos are garbage without tutors.>>98720617>percentages made out of your ass for arguments sakedeepest lore
>>98720604He needs to develop a multi agent LLM that scours through all possibilities to build a deck with 0% chance of winning before turn 8. In the future he is required to extend the model to input all 4 decks in a game, in the off chance a card from an opponent changes the chance of winning
>>98720626>i can't argue your deepest lorei accept your concession
>>98720591>>98720602I don't care it was fun and I was using it fairly. This is why we can't have nice things. Fuck you autistic cedh trannies I know who you are you can't help yourself cutting your dick and neither putting the titan
>>98720596it's actually t5 for b4, t7 for b3, t9 for b2 and t10 for b1 btw
>>98720611Nothing will ever compare to Prime Time, and I'd argue this guy is probably a "fair" version. Although you CAN do some bullshit like hitting him yourself with various burn spells.
>>98720286think its a twofold combo: Whites pie tends to be really good at limited and BO1 (only more relevant since arena). The other part of white's pie tends to be "unfun". WOTC really struggles to make powerful mythics/rares while trying to balance the above. Great example is reality fracture, there are zero mono-white prepared creatures above common. 1 black mythic, 2 Red rares, 2 Blue rares, and 1 green rare.WOTC said they tried to make one with a sweeper attached to it, but it was too strong.
>>98720626>come on anon. you wouldnt fall for this pathetic reddit bait would you? the combos are garbage without tutors.Hardened scales and Walking Balista are garbage cards in a counters deck?
>>98720639Prime Time doesn't even occupy the slot of best green 6-drop anymore. It's still better than this garbage.
>>98720652Who's the best green 6 drop
>>98720630>The second is a little harder line, and that's how many turns you can generally expect to play before you can win or lose. That's not to say the game always ends for you on those turns, but that if the game ended then, you would be satisfied with that experience. We heard from a lot of people that length of game is an important factor for them. So, for example, when Bracket 3 says "you should expect to be able to play at least six turns before you win or lose," that means that someone's seventh turn is when you would be satisfied if the game ended.thats the entire definition of the turn based rule. go ahead and argue against it with your numbers.
>>98720649if you dont draw them, yes.
>>98720663>argue against iti actually agree with it, what i don't agree with is gavin's disapproval of sandbaggingi've heard it all from retards, saying that their combo 'isn't THAT consistent', that their deck 'isn't like other girls, i mean other decks'but there is no arguing what is 'consistent enough'is a 5% chance to pop off t6 enough to disqualify it from b3? what about 10%? 15%? 20%? keep in mind that sol ring has an 8% chance to appear in your opener and people already complain about thatthe only practical solution is to sandbag the infinite/thoracle until a designated turn X regardless of actual percentage of comboing off or number of pieces involved
>>98720606>Build your deck around him, just for him to eat a path or swords before you get any reward.Timmy bait with a few niche applications.
>>98720682the entire thing falls apart because no matter what you or anybody else says or thinks, the other party can simply say I did not enjoy this game. your deck is too strong and i refuse to play against this deck today and in the future.congrats. you won the game.
>>98720700>play with randoms that don't think exactly like you on how a children's card game should be played>be disappointed that they don't think exactly like you on how a children's card game should be playednever leave your basement, brackets are for the LGS
What would a reality fracture Progenitus have looked like?
>>98720661nta but he probably means Lumra
>>98720674so true, i'm gonna run thoracle combos because if i dont have tutors its rare that i see them on turn 2.
>>98720711CCCCCCCCCC for a 10/10 with player Deathtouch and Worldfire's when it leaves the battelfield.
>>98720705> "brackets are for the LGS"your genius lgs solution is to hold a t4 win in your hand for 20 minutes like a dad letting a toddler score a win. sandbagging doesnt make a deck bracket 2 or 3. it just makes you a closet pubstomper whos too chicken to sit at high power pods.
>>98720639Pestilence was the first thing i thought of
>>98720763Yes the solution is in fact to slow down the thoracle dcon combo until t7 so their primary advantage (UUB cmc) is drastically nerfed to the point that you wouldnt bother running such cards anymore that are awful by themselves anyway and will instead run a proper combo that comes out t7 naturally AND are useful by themselves, your constant kvetching proves that your combo in fact is too fast without such a sandbagging rule and you only out yourself
There's been a lot of things that has made this board worse, but arguing like smug retard's about brackets has clearly been the absolute worst- fuck you guys from every direction
>>98720790>drastically nerfed>now have the mana and cards to protect the cast?
>>98720822>look at my magical christmasland t7 hand that i assembled by just searching my library and drawing cards off rhystic in dimir colors, hehe people totally dont see what's coming in my b3 deck!Congrats you deserve the win. Next game?
At my LGS, sometimes a player leaves and you're left stranded with an awful 3-man pod. I've been fiddling around with mechanics in the vein of a WoW TCG raid where it's 3 players vs a deck, though in this case it's automated. The current proof of concept is a bit swingy, the boss having annihilator and all. But I think there's promise in the concept. The boss has an untap, an upkeep, etc. It "attacks" the threat player. Players can attack and target it similar to a planeswalker. It draws an event card, and when it "escalates" it draws a second one. Very simple stuff.The annihilator is ballbusting but also designed in such a way to keep players from snowballing out of control. That and the "threat" mechanic gives people incentive to pass around who controls what permanents.The event deck cards are just examples. And it's not set in stone. But curious what you guys think.
>>98720790casting thoracle on t3 means you tap out and pray nobody has interaction. casting thoracle on t7 means you have 4 mana left to hold up counterspells and a silence. you havent nerfed the combo. youve made it statistically impossible for bracket 3 decks to interact with.also nice goalpost moving.>its impossible to regulate deckbuilding so we HAVE to bring thoracle and sandbag it until turn X>actually sandbagging makes people cut thoracle from their decks entirelypick an argument. if your solution relies on people cutting the combo thats called deckbuilding restraint. if they dont cut it youre back to sitting on a t3 win until t7 holding a pod hostage with an unlosable hand and pretending youre doing them a favor
Tbqh we need more rigurous rules for these shitty bracket systems.
>>98720871>i always have thoracle and dcon and counters every time on t7>people totally dont know what dimir colors can do on b3 and will totally think you're not a threat, the bracket where rhystic is legal btwT6 is more than enough time for any single person to kill you (or maybe even the whole pod) hrough combat damage or any non-infinite boardstate, it's almost like T7 was selected for a good reason and that you actually dont play this game with any modicum of sweat
>>98720848It’s cool but what if I cast frogify?
I should have grabbed this before all the Smaug fotm decks spiked it
>>98720903Obviously "it doesn't work" is the answer, though I haven't thought how to codify that. When attacking the boss counts similarly to a Gideon planeswalker, in that it has power but it can't just be dealt damage on the crack-back by blockers. It doesn't have toughness, it has life or loyalty or some other variable. For how many mechanics Magic has, for those that would game the system you just have to say "It doesn't," unless you want a gigantic rulebook.
>>98720882you cannot write a mathematical formula that outsmarts 30 years of non linear interactions. if you want to bend rules you can.the exact same assholes will still ruin your game but now they have a 30 page rulebook in tiny letters to rule lawyer your ass with when you complain.
>>98720714That card is certainly crazy but is it better that titan?
>>98720848What exactly is wrong with 3 man pods?
Only /edhg/ could argue that there's no difference between preparing to curve Blood/Bond combo across 2 turns, and holding up Thoracle combo while digging for counterspells/silences to protect it on that same turn.
>>98720944They're fast and one-sided and often lead to snowbally games. If you've played EDH enough you learn to loathe them. It's really 4-man or bust.
>>98720920You could pull a good old Yugioh raid raptor ultimate falcon “unaffected by other cards’ effects”? I’d give it trample too.
>>98720944King-make city.
>>98720956Trample is a bit too backbreaking early game. Keep in mind this thing is swinging after turn 1. There will likely be an event that gives it a bit more power and trample. Maybe an enchantment event to incentivize running enchant removal.But a player is already losing a permanent, and while the -5 create a treasure is designed to mitigate real bad breaks, you also have to throw a creature out in front of it that will more than likely die. Balance-wise the annihilator and removal on events is designed to make the fight's cadence a bit more of an uphill battle. The start is rough and trample could lead to very deterministic losses.
>>98720950>too pussy to give me a (You) nowGo ahead and try to tear up your b3 pod with blue farm with only 3 GCs with thoracle with a t7 limit and a fistful of the cedh counterspell suite that only seems to hit noncreatures for some reason it'll be funny to see what actually kills you there
>>98720988that aint me
>>98720235KW requires two cards to do two in-colour effects that synergize in a way that somewhat replicates another colours effect. Outside of the pedantic difference of both effects being attached to a single card, it is identical to a regular in-colour two card synergy that somewhat replicates another colours effect (IE Anchor to the Aether + Thought Scour). This is acceptable as not only is that synergy a natural consequence of interactions within that slice of the colour pie, but the colour being replicated is still head and shoulders above the colour replicating thanks to the combination of card advantage & assembling specific cards. If you cannot understand something as simple as this, stop playing this fucking game and spare everyone from your profound retardation
>>98720988You lack experience.
>>98720954Ive played enough to know that this>>98720967 is a fair assessment. I just wanted your thoughts is all. Loathe is a bit much. How about 5 man?
>>98721016Also rough. I played enough of them back in college. EDH just works best at 4. It's the sweet spot. Any more is a slog, any less and the gameplay is incredibly poor.
>>98720848>Buy two Xenagos event decks>Stack those decks together>Modify the rules so he casts 3-5 cards per turn instead of 2 to scale to multiplayer>Whenever there's an open spot you pull out the Xenagos pileCongratulations Xenagos has joined your pod at the LGS
>>98721010>use any of white'a bazillion protection spells>...fine i'll just thoracle right in your face the moment we hit t7!Oops
>>98720412Huh. Honestly that actually really sums it up succinctly, thank you. Maybe Boromir and my boy Samwise can go into the deck after all
>>98721032>this is why sanguine bond combo is better
>>98720441I think that's about ANOTHER Mythic White that is somehow even more fucking assAnd is also another one i pulled and I was pissed off about for days funny enough
>>98720944it's usually a mexican standoff
>>98721039>telegraphing your line by tapping out to play one of the combo pieces first>will definitely not earn the ire of the pod by doing sororu rumao
>>98720643Interesting, nglThough frustrating when it comes to the test of time
>>98721039>Well, despite the fact I'm at one health, I'm still losing health, so guess the game is a draw unless you can break the loop.
>>98721025Yeah, horde magic is sort of the basis for these concepts. In the long run I'd like something more elaborate, though I think the average EDH deck squad would roll over the Xenagos deck.
Who'd be a solid partner for this?
>>98721083Kedis or reyhan,
>>98721046>we can have triple the damage (fiery emancipation)>but we can't have triple the lifegainthat's literally the story of this card's existence
>>98720988Sudden Edict. Your go.
>>98721024Fair enough
>>98721083Tymna
>>98721092lifegain is just too powerful for magic. cant believe this card is still legal.
>>98721046Ah i believe you are right
>>98721096>running diabolic edict+
>>98721092>>98721109Unironically yes. That's how R&D views it.>Player with 200 life means game doesn't end>Aggro killing you on turn 3 means you can host larger tournaments
>cast this>Guy responds with heroic intervention >Is shocked that his board still diedGreen fags, not even once
>>98721118>Player with 200 life means game doesn't endr&d seems to be *finally* doing something about it in a way that even a retard would understand
>>98721124Think he was more shocked at how bad the flavor text was.
>>98721137personally i was appalled that the show didn't call it the Aang Gang
>>98721124i think this has happend to every mtg player once.
>>98721135Orzhov is kinda exception that proves the rule since Wx with any other color will generally not have an outlet for all that life. I think it's a very interesting dynamic (it's the core dynamic in Bx strategies for my custom card set), but it's not universal which is why R&D is so cautious with lifegain. Maybe one day we'll have lifelink become stackable, but that won't be for a while.
>>98721143The stack will get most players at least once. Learning experience
>>98721124I'd give him a replay on this because the avg person that would do this is unskilled enough that you're probably going to beat them anyway and you don't really want to take Ws over them just because they're still learning interactions.
>>98721168greenfags have no excuse, indestrucible has been beatable for a long while now
>>98721181You can think of it as beating them with a handicap if it fuels your ego.
>>98721164>okay in response i destroy your creature>i put creature in graveyard. trigger resolves.>wait whatevery time
How would CEDH change if you were teamed up with the player opposite in turn order from you?
>>98721228>tag draws as losses, yes even if you guys time out>no revealing hands (you can claim that you have X card though)>more policing on excessive yapping that only drags out the game (like calling the clock on someone in poker)>actual TOs with a spine to enforce thispretty much what cedh needs, if you got seat 1 then hey you got seat 1
Just realized the Ur-Sphinx is just esper Etali that scales with the number of attacking Sphinx.
>>98721263a worse etali too, because it's mill X and you could possibly just mill lands
>>98721263Except unlike Etali it fucking sucks.
>>98721278Etali, Primal Storm, not conquerer. EPS can hit lands too. Ur-Sphinx at least scales with more attacking Sphinxes, but most Sphinxes have respectable stat lines, so if you're freely attacking with 3+ flying 5/5s, them you're probably winning anyway.
>>98719636>TQI'll answer your pity TQ OP. No never happened, I only ever play with shitters that can barely think of their next play or the right lands to tap for mana. Let alone think how to play my decks.
>>98721314if it's etali 1.0 then yeah
>>98720606Less than people want it to be
>>98719636>TQ: Ever had games where other people taught you how to better build/pilot your own deck? How did you handle it?People tend to ask me for advice post-game.
Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)
>>98721359Start at 100 so the pod can live, love, laugh for the entire night.
>>98721252the imbalance towards seats 1 and 2 ABSOLUTELY needs to be addressed by making the format BO3
>>98721391people already rely on luck to get paired up in favorable pods (like for example a turbo deck facing off against a trio of nonblue decks), what's the difference if you also rely on luck to get good seating?
>>98721391I meant seats 1 and 3 against 2 and 4, might make it a little less of a problem.
>>98721124I'd be shocked at someone blatantly cheating like that too
>>98721440What? Explain your understanding of how that interaction plays out
>finally get around to looking at the foundation starting decks>mfw the angel one has like 14 cards i was going to buy individually for a deck later on and buying individual would have came kinda close to cost of the set anywayActually kinda cool
>>98721124back in the days, pic related saved me from shit like Languish,Black Sun Zenith and other board wipes with destroy effects
>>98721488holding up RW every turn to make a telegraphed protection ability work is a big ask, nowadays this would just be a free activation
>>98721453They lose a abilities as it goes onto the stack, not on resolution. That's why it's worded that way.
>>98721488looks like a terrible card for a mythic slot imo
>>98720944I only have two friends that play so we 3 man a lot and never have any issues. It is nice to pick up a 4th at the LGS when our schedules actually line up so we can go.
>>98721519>heroic intervention stops final showdown i swear!what causes humiliation fetishes?
>>98721478me, but the red oneand the green, can't ever have enough dorks
>>98721519What about that part of the text implies that it removes abilities on the stack rather than on resolution?
>>98721508that's why i said back in the days. Now i use shit like Teferi's protection and Clever concealment
>>98721519Think of it like this>I'm invulnerable because of x so wrath of God doesn't work>I'm invulnerable because of this but final showdown takes it away due to order of operation If that helps it make sense
>>98721519I'm taking the baitWhy would part of the card take effect when it is put on the stack and the other when it resolves
>>98721558If the red one had tibalt's trickery I'd probably get it too. It's cool they're making some pretty easy and strong pick up and play decks for new guys not gonna lie
Does a spell not resolve as one chunk if there aren't any delayed effects in its timing?A uses Black SunB responds with Flawless ManeuverFlawless goes off first, then Black Sun happens, stripping the indestructible and nuking the creatures.
>>98721519Would you like a lesson on how the stack works so you can understand why your wrong? Honest question, genuinely trying to help
>>98721519Never in the history of magic has a spell only half resolved when it goes onto the stack.
>>98721598can the starter commanders be upgradable into semi competitive decks?
>>98720459>He doesn't select his clone targets while they're still on the stack. Do you even clone bro?
>>98721599That is in fact how it works. The only way it would work the way That Guy thinks it does would be of out had a "when you cast this" triggered ability a la eldrazi.
>>98721536And in this case, it's impossible to insert a spell in between Spree 1 - All creatures lose abilities and Spree 3WW - Destroy all creatures to save your shit since it's all happening at once?
>>98721617They're not separate abilities, it's like choosing two on a command. it's the effect of one spell, you just got to tailor the text.
>>98721606Any deck in theory could be, but eventually it will be a modified precon in name only. Ship of Theseus in action
>>98721617yes anon correct you can't sneak in things in yet another variation on kickernow please don't humiliate yourself any further it's embarassing
>>98721606giada at least can be 100% upgraded into, yeah, you actually get some of the better angels with her deck to begin with, can't say on the others though
>>98721599yes, unless they have cast triggers which be placed and resolve before the main cardwhich neither do, so that anon is just confused
man i am starting to believe people are kinda shit at the game like in this post >>98718041
>>98721617Hypothetically, if you did all modes the end text of the card would read"All creatures lose all abilities until end of turn. Target creature gains indestructible until end of turn. Destroy all creatures."
>>98721420That would make seat 4 even worse. You'd have to look at 1-4 2-3.
>>98721601NTA but I'm just gonna make sure here so i can simplifyit for some friends I'm gonna play with that just got some starter decks: the easiest way to describe it is that you're just working resolutions backwards, yeah? It's how a normal board wipe effect can be countered by something like Everybody Lives! since the wipe still happens, but because Lives happens first and your dudes are indestructible you're safe
>>98721638While he is right, "but chatgpt told me I'm right" isn't a great argument
>>98721617A card has to resolve in its entirety once it starts.
>>98721647>creatures get indestructible >creatures lose keywords>creatures are destroyed yeah, so what's the problem
>>98721638assuming the story is real, I am really asking myself how can a lvl1 judge allow that shit, in fact, how can that guy became a lvl1 judge to start withI remember many years ago i tried to join the judge program but failed the exam
>>98719759>make lands into creatures>have creatures damage a creatureLooks green to me, anon. Idk where you've been for the past 30 years to not see it.
>>98721648i assume it was only to prove his point but to be honest, chatgpt is better than asking a lvl1 judge nowadays
>>98721647Easiest way to remember - last in, first out. The last thing added to the stack is the first thing that resolves when everyone passes priority, then the stack works it's way back to the first spell played, which is why>>98721124 played out the way it did.
>>98721677There's no "official" judge program anymore and stores/tournaments can just ask any random retard to be a judge.
>>98721694Theres a website that somehow has live, actual judges available 24/7, its just a basic chat room where you ask your questions. Wish i could remember the name
>>98721694I'm the retard at my storeJust keep remembering triggers and people will think you're some genius
>>98721677were you livign under a rock for the last decade? the judge program died in 2019-2020
What are Mono Black's burst mana sources? I'm building Avacyn.So far i got>blood pet>dark and cabal rit>cull the weak>ashnod and phyrexian altar/tower>forsaken miner, reassembling skeleton, bloodghast etc. for repeatable sac targets for the altarsIs it possible go consistently get her out by Turn 4/5?
>>98721647>Put day of the black sun on the stack>Play a spell that gives all of your creatures indestructible in response.>It resolves, all your creatures have the ability "indestructible" until end of turn.>Day of the Black Sun that was still on the stack resolve>They lose all of their abilities, including the indestructible ability you just gave them
>>98721746With repeated magical Christmas hands, sure
>>98721746Crypt Ghast
>>98721124Why is this only 50 cents?
>>98721680Didn't you read the whole reply chain?
>>98721746Cabal coffers, the other cabal land from nu dominaria, magus of the coffers
>>98721835scamming you with the shipping cost
>>98721835The X part. Can be a big mana sink to kill everything you want it to, at least IMO. Still a good card though
>>98721746See + heartless summoning
>>98721835Sure it fucks over the blood artist player if he doesn't have a sac outlet, but toxic deluge is still better. Not a bad card tho
>>98721876This will Defentally be a auto include in the new Avacyn
>>98721746Bubbling Muck, Jet Medallion, Nirkana Revenant
>>98720944>98720944>>98720954>>98720967>>98721535I have a question. Has anyone played a three man pod, but had a a fourth deck that everyone takes a turn playing?
>>98720458Odric is also pretty based. Effectively makes you unblockable.
>>98721909Na, thats defentally a new one for me
>>98721746Call me crazy but I like Overeager Apprentice and Bog Witch
>>98721717https://chat.magicjudges.org/mtgrules/Pretty sure you're referring this one.
>>98722173Thats it thanks. Other anons, bookmark it,its worth having
>>98721876kino
>>98722207we can go faster
>>98721919Yeah he seemed pretty badass. You can either slap people unblocked or kill their creatures on bad blocks. I was going to use some weird defensive stuff like Mirror Strike and Entrapment Maneuver too. Any other jank ideas? The older and more obscure the better especially if they kind of have a tactical gimmick.
>>98720291I prefer it to Gavin dick sucking hours
Give me a red, black, or rakdos deck that's fun for the whole table!
>>98722284Are you doing solider tribal with it? If so, I really like Alliance of Arms. It will give everyone a big Army, but if you're doing tribal yours will be bigger, and it won't matter if you can attack through theirs unblocked anyway.
>>98722373why, Blim of course
I'm a gay nigger who likes to do gay nigger things like eat chicken and watermelon while I'm suckin' and fuckin' at the glory hole for 18 straight hours, and my favorite color is blue.
>>98722373Attacking is fun.
>>98722373Play 0 vampires vampires.Maskwood Nexus is a must-include but it's a shame you can't get Leyline of Transformation
Closed Strength GInstantTarget creature gets +5/+5 until end of turn. That creature gets -1/-1 until end of turn for each color in your commanders' color identity other than green.
Orzhov Tithe 2WBEnchantmentSmothering Tithe but you can only put it in your deck if your color identity is exactly WB.
>>98722397What being counterspelled once does to a retard.
>>98722467>My friend plays insurrection>I cast negate>His response is just>Okay it's negatedI felt a little bad but I didn't want him stealing all my creatures, especially my Animar who had like 10 counters on him. Maybe I should have just let him.
MindseizeBSorcerySplit SecondEach opponent reveals their hand. Choose a nonland card from each of them. Those players exiles those cards.
>>98722467I'm the one who does the counter spelling while 91 flavors of semen are dripping out of my asshole
>>98722467Speaking of being a retard, I once tapped out to cast Brass's Bounty the turn after the blue player had drawn a face-up Counterspell and had left two blue mana open.
Do we need a new bracket for super casuals?
>>98721674Nothing, i just wanted to be able to explain it super simple and intuitive to people new to the game
Omo, Queen of TormentU/G U/G U/G2/6Spells your opponents control can be countered even if they can't be countered Ward - Donate a non-token permanent. Creatures don't die for having 0 or less toughness. If this creature is a token, it's controller loses life equal to the number of counters on this creature.If a source you control would put +1/+1 counters on your critters, you may instead put that many -1/-1 counters on an opponents critter. If an opponent would create a token, they create a copy of this creature instead.
>>98722700Less is more.
Mainset Teval and Neriv are the platonic ideal of commanders
>>98722700The fuck?>>98722745God I hate t*rkir
>three c*lorinto the garbage
Get off my dick cunt
>>98720212It literally says it's because it deals direct damage to players.
>>98722825I love pillowfort. I may not win, but I'm not getting knocked out early.
Thoughts on this chud?
>>98722869I think that isn't a Magic card
Is there a good way to abuse this card to take zero damage?
>>98722884This + Solemnity makes you invulnerable to damage
>>98722845It’s my protection spells for my Ixhel toxic deck, I’ve been told I’m going to be focused on every game in spite of rushing poison counters on a specific player being the least optimal play I could make in an Ixhel deck as I’d lose a source of cards before I can kill everyone at once with poison counters. After playing with it a bit I may be able to cut the pillow fort stuff back a bit after gauging reactions but people always lose their fucking minds whenever they think of poison in this format while a player could go infinite before an infect card can even get a single poison counter on someone.
>>98722891Perfect. Thanks.
>>98722884well, maybe not good
>ban most of the banlist>bring back the old tuck rule>bring back the old legendary rule>ban UB by defaultThere. I fixed the format.
I wish they did another cycle of these guys. Super specific and powerful, as they should be for their mana requirements, but very flavorful.
>>98722869I want Siegfried from Soul Calibur
>>98722985>ban reserve list from all formatsThere you go now all formats are fixed
>>98722985>>ban most of the banlistPlease explain what the fuck that's meant to mean.Did da wittle baby mean to say "ban most of the game changer's list"?
>>98723050He's an idiot/bot.
>>98723050No. Most of the banned cards should be unbanned and made game changers. >>98723063Yes and no.
>>98723097>Most of the banned cards should be unbanned and made game changers.realistically around half of the 25 non RL non conspiracy non ante non dexterity banned in edh cards will be made GCs imo
>>98723097>Most of the banned cards should be unbanned and made game changers.Oh so meant "unban" then, you fucking idot.
To all the anons who were recommending Lightning, Army of One thank you. She's been surprisingly fun with some weird interactions going on from multiple combat phases shenanigans.
Is Steelbane Hydra a good card in an x matters deck? Seems expensive.
>>98723225From my experience it's very subpar as both an artifact hatepiece and as a big body.There are better options you could run for either category.
>>98722373Kharn, Gix, or Karazikar. Encouraging/forcing combat while also drawing everyone cards.
>>98723286Thanks for confirming what I thought. I'm upgrading my Zimone precon, and settled on 11 cards for the chopping block. This one was iffy because the precon was very light on removal. About half of what I'd probably want.
is shadow a good option for raping the shit out of cascade and spell slinger decks?
>>98723381Yes.Split Second is fucking brutal to play against.
>in response>nope>uh in respo>no
>>98723381>Sonic in mtgI blocked that out until now...
>>98723446Sonic himself is... okay.Robotnic is fun, if low-tier.Shadow is full CEDH tier when built right.
>>98723381This nigga is such a powerful commander, it even occasionally sees cedh play
Do you have a cool proxy of your commander?
>>98723446You must be new
>>98723495proxies are for goyim
>>98723456Man Sonic got done dirty in this. Even Tails is probably a better commander.
>>98723503Just do the clear sleeve thing
>>98723508lolno
>>98723495Depends wildly on your definition of cool
>>98723558why are they all shit
>>98723563because he used AI to make thembit of a stupid question really
>>98723558The Guile one is based
>>98723566You'd be shitting on him either way.
>>98723579I would applaud any anon who hand-drew coomer proxies and printed them as cards
>>98723566I've seen AI that is less shit
>>98723587No you wouldn't.
>>98723590well I guess we'll never know
>>98723574The deck is kinda boring though. Shame really. >>98723563Fun to make and fun to play. All that matters.
>>98723588but still shit
I feel like the payoffs for playing angel tribal is much worse than the payoffs for just playing better creatures in the same colors. most angels don't even benefit each other or do synergistic things and the only payoffs for building them is lifelink or +1/+1 counters
tribes shouldn't have payoffs
HOPE RIDES ALOOOOOOooOOoooooOOOOOOOONE
>>98723745I'm gonna go to a draft and pronounce this with the most tryhard Chinese accent like "JANyg YANGgoo" and see if anyone calls me on it
>>98723745Don't forget to put this in the deck.
>>98723558Guile needs a milk mustache got damn those jugs
>>98723587>>98723595He just uses AI as a proxy for his lack of talent relax
>>98723587>I would applaud any anon who makes authentic proxies>but i would ridicule any anon who buys authentic cardsThe lack of self-awareness of proxytards knows no bounds
>>98723719Except for Goblins... with big tits! Because they are real great!
>>98723381If by that you mean "forces blue-focused deck to remove your commander every time he resolves," then yes.
>>98721005Answer my second question>>98720235You are saying the 2 card into 1 combination that Maro explicitly said is not okay is okay because you control your commander>mono u card, overcosted, if you control a blue artifact, bounce top+millThis checks all your boxes, is it in pie?Your argument is not based on any definition we have for the color pieYou're calling me names because you can't provide a source or basis for your claims (I did >>98719997>>98720094)
>>98723955The other two players in the pod will then have to put pressure on the blue player until shadow comes out again.
>>98721359(20) starting life is superior to (30)
>>98723920Vaush when can I catch your livestreams?
>>98720950>Blood/Bond comboat least it's full of FLAVOUR
>>98724035Every deck loses to playing 1v3 unless they're so far above you in power that they shouldn't be playing with you in the first place (unless you're all going in with the expectation of playing archenemy).
Seeing a deck plow through three opponents worth of constant interaction is so depressing. Boardwipes, swords, fogs, literally just shrugged them all off and rolled over everything. Bolted his bird, stunted a defense of the heart with my aven mindcensor and he still pulled a big hit onto the board.
>>98723558Look I love big boobs and I can understand doing shit like giving Jhoira massive tits but why the fuck do Tinybones and Obeka need to be busty women? Are you such a degenerate gooner that you can't even play a game of magic without needing to constantly see tits everywhere?
shouldn't it at least be tinyboobs
>>98723558This is unrealistic, misogynistic representation of women. Guile should be in a speedo with massive bulge to match.
>>98724123as long as it's a futa
>>98723558Movie Guile is fucking killing me
>>98724047kek
>>98724071why is he still alive by the time you let him get to 7 mana
Calling it now, KW guy is baiting and he'll bring it up next thread
>>98724145Ureni will usually have that turn 4
>>98724209no because the whole table is supposed to be holding up interaction for everything
>>98722408>not even playing the sexo version amateur
>>98723719why?
tribal is coolthe issue is that you build unfun decks and want to play solitaire
>>98724458There is only one best artwork for Olivia
>>98724624okay, but that's 4 Mana
>>98724647I'd xiaobo her tong if you know what I'm implying
>>98723876affordable chinese reprints are real cards tho
>>98724658understandable, have a great day
>>98724488This whole game is playing "do you have it?" even in vintage tf you mean solitaire?
>>98724754"Playing solitaire" means when a player takes exceedingly long turns that are largely non deterministic and noninteractive.
>>98723558>theres goblins>tits are swole> Ai-proxied Cody Rhodes
>>98723558youdonotusethese
>>98724786U wut
>>98724780>Didn't run interaction>wtf the player with more resources used them???
We love Nissa here, don't we, folks?
>>98724916She looks hot again so I forgive this one.
>>98724916Is she heterosexual in Jace's Zendikar?
>>98724916Do you have the full res of the Avacyn?
>>98724950She's elf Hitler again, at least
>>98724950No, she's in a polycule with Kiora and Nahiri.
>>98723558GAZOOONG AWOOGAGOOGAThat said, I hope you're ripped enough to bring these to the lgs, if you're fat I can't fathom the cringe
>>98724168Which one?
>>98725284>I hope you're rippedYou trying to date him?
>grabs your card without asking
>xe inconsiderately wastes other's precious limited game time asking if theythems can touch x or y every timecouldn't be me
If I'm trying to play my theft deck and two people have similar colored or looking sleeves, I just won't play it.
>>98725404never seen fags give a shit about card handling, it's always the enfranchised chuds with their overpriced shiny cardboard "investments" that they choose to play with. it's like that whole culture of insisting mass produced sneakers are high-value but still wearing them
>>98725419I made the nu-gonti who gifts cards just so everyone needs to track 2 separate piles without mixing em up
>>98725291not really, I just dislike fat people
>>98725431Same. Just dont be a autist and ask first, people are usually more then ok with it.
>>98725431This is part of the reason why I proxy cards worth over 40 dollars.No, I'm not going to play with anything worth losing.
>>98723187Lets hear some examples. Shes in the 99 of a Mardu deck I have but hardly shows up
>>98722825Mischief is always fun to play
>>98725763New bake>>98725763
