Please stop using that image editionPrevious Thread: >>98742131Pastebin: https://pastebin.com/h8Tz2ze8Somewhat dusty survey results: https://pastebin.com/scAkFdTvTQ:Where do you actually play?Which room (home) or How many tables (out)?What is the table size and shape? Is it big enough?What would be your ideal gaming spot be like?What would be your ideal table size?What features do you want in a dedicated game space?
Another furniture industry execMaybe spend more time harvesting lumberAnd less time harvesting our data
What the fuck are these TQs jesus christNEW TQ BECAUSE OP IS A FAG>what game you would love way more if it had a different theme?>what mostly themeless game somehow embodies its theme the most?>what is a theme that you want to see explored in board games?
>>98783776Wrong Labyrinth mate, I meant the one where you get to nuke the US.
>>98783794Ideally we'd be playing Federation & Empire in a conference center the size of the Pentagon but closely modeled on Terok Nor, with a set and bridge crew for every ship
>>98783898>>what is a theme that you want to see explored in board games?dragonball offers a lot of unexplored top-down design space. deckbuilder, tableau builder, rondel game, you name it. imagine High Frontier, but dragonball
>>98783898why didn't you bake if you don't like it you fucking tranny
>>98784050Did your furniture manufacturer boss tell you to call people trannies to fit in, negroid?
>>98783898Hard questions to answer because I don't play themeless games and I don't play light games. So pretty much everything is thematically integrated well enough that I wouldn't wanna change it.The only thing that comes to mind is Hansa Teutonica. It's not even that I don't like the theme. I like dull stuff just fine. But the thematic integration of the game is so tenuous it doesn't feel like it has anything to do with trade at all, you're just pushing cubes around to get VPs.
>>98784309HT is very thematic You wouldn't understand because you're not a member of the Hanseatic league
Is good or is no good?
>>98784696late ffg lcgs were pretty good as a ruledoes a fiddly solitaire unfair dice chucker where your choices start terrible and dwindle appeal to you? maybe it does, I'd prefer to kms
>>98784696I have played hundreds of games and that one is still my favorite. It always offers a new puzzle and replayability is therefore through the roof. Plays well on all player counts, and solo especially. Setup and tear down is very quick. Dice factor can be somewhat mitigated by good, strategic play (unless you have a very unlucky streak of course).
>>98783898Area control+big booty asians
Now that the old thread is dead >>98756516 was Dolmen
>>98785220Huh. Never heard of it. If your goal was to make me look it up, your quest will have been siccessful in a few minutes
>>98784050the only baking I do is brownies for game night most weeks (this week is spiced choc orange)
>>98784776>>98784857
>spooktacular expansion soon on crowdfunding>10 new monsters>Like the original, I really really want it>But it honestly just isn't as good a game as I want it to beIs this how minifaggots feel about the latest kilo of plastic crap on crowdfunding?
>>98785465I'm just saying that it is not my kind of game.If you like GW stuff and want to do Space Hulk things, >>98784696is probably the best way to do those things.
Hey anons is there anyone still playing KDM or Cthulhu Wars?>*crickets*>>98785802
>>98783794>Where do you actually play?In basements, at community centers, in kitchens>What is the table size and shape? Is it big enough?I think the best tables for board games are round, it always sucks when people are further away from the board than others>What would be your ideal gaming spot be like?Cabins are complete kino board game environments, especially if it's a spooky game. Preferably getting a blowjob under the table while I play shitty moves in the current game>What would be your ideal table size?Enough to comfortably sit 6 people. You can fit maybe one or more, but I don't usually play with more than 6>What features do you want in a dedicated game space?Players that aren't idiots, good lighting, snacks, and blowjobs>>98783898>what game you would love way more if it had a different theme?Anything without a strong ludo narrative. Like if it's a mundane resource manager with a stock market, I better be making cheese and bread>what mostly themeless game somehow embodies its theme the most?Hansa teutonica>what is a theme that you want to see explored in board games?Mechs. There is a severe lack of cool mechs in board games.
>>98786698>Mechs. There is a severe lack of cool mechs in board games.this is one of those things like mtg where getting mech autists to play anything other any mw/bt is simply a losing proposition. we lived in a world with mobile frame zero and the future refused to change.
>>98785802Dead presidents might be cool
A cool theme that would fit the board game aesthetic would be a hardware printing businesshttps://youtube.com/shorts/V8m9UTl9aqw?si=lVQ3ZaW-CjLBjRcL
What do we think of cascadero
>>98787648Never played it, but seems mehI just play Babylonia, content in the knowledge that it's better
>>98787648Hodge podge of knizias, but not the best out of the borrowed mechanics
>>98788480I worry when the doctor does not change the map size based on player count. Y&Y has always been dogshit at 3 because of that
>>98789446I do not care for Power Grid.
Tbf I understand why boardgames are a nice hobby in my country when most of the enthusiasts are a bunch of overweight autistic men with debatable hygiene standards. I bet I could grow my local boardgaming club numbers tenfold if only I managed to get everyone in a gym 3 times a week
>>98789446I care for Power Grid.I do play a lot on boardgamers.space and there are really good players on there so it's fun learning new techniques and maps.
>>98789446I neither care for nor do not care for Power Grid.I actually own it and truly don't care for it.
It's just ok. I was hoping there would be more 18xx influence to it since it was billed as blending that and cube rails but it's just a cube rails game. The ship trashing mechanic isn't that big of a deal during the game because ships really don't cost that much so and it's only a $3 penalty on your stock price at the end of the game if you can't cover the cost of a new ship. I do like the alien agreement mechanism but you can really just forego that if you don't need the extra cash and don't want to give a dividend to other players holding your company. It's a perfectly playable cube rails game but still not better than Westward Rails.
>>98789727Damn. It did seem rather unique in the cube railsesque genre. Ah I'll see when I get it. The autistic planets have aligned and I'll be getting RotLA and Stellar ventures within like a week of each other
>>98789750It's fine for a cube rails game. I still had fun with it and our group liked it. We mostly have a lot of euro gamers and it checks that euro feel. It's not transcendent of the genre like Railways was for 18xx - I think that's more of what I was hoping for. It was pretty quick - we got done with about two hours of play time and about 30 minutes of a quick teach.
>>98786698>board game night>anon brings over his boyfriend>sweet, now we can play Eclipse>oh no guys i'm not here to play>fine, Power Grid it is>guy sits there trying to make small talk for 15 minutes while we set up the game>as soon as we get down to play, he gets under the table>everyone laughs nervously>anon goes "are we playing or what?">start playing>faggot keeps bumping into everyone under the table>anon immediately overbids on the worst oil-based plant>DRILL BABY DRILL>5 minutes later the faggot comes back out>keeps trying to talk loudly to everyone with his semen breath>anon places dead last and starts packing up>thanks for the keeno evening everyone, was fun>leaves at 8 pm>faggot boyfriend stays in hopes he can suck off someone else tonight
>>98789793Yeah I'm in the same boat, I was kiiinda looking forward to SV despite RotLA clearly looking like the better game just cause SV seemed like a way easier sell and teach. Which is mostly just the production and presentation, I suppose. Similarly, it's mainly eurogamers I'm trying this with. The game taking under 2h excluding teach in a first play is excellent though.
Anything similar to these still being printed?
>>98789865eclipse at 5p with the hyperlanes is as good as 6p.
>>98789865You're welcome.
Played a tgz game with my gf (first time for both) and another guy and surely it's a game (we lost in 4 turns). Also played pax transhumanity (3p and 4p) and it's pretty good, I liked it more than pax pam and pax ren 4p but less than pax ren 2p
Clip art cards... soul. Only thing that could top it is if they were doodles.
>>98792054That is a sick game day/night.My wife adores tgz and pax pam, but i have yet to teach her pax ren or pax trans
>>98789865>his boyfriend
>>98789967Thankfully noWorst unboxing ever
>look for game tutorials in yt>dedicated rant sections>going on tangents>only half of the video teaches you about the gamegood lord...
>>98789727Any hopes for Rocky Ventures?
red dust rebellion isn't selling so well and is being sold at a hefty discount. more than 50% off.https://www.gmtgames.com/p-893-red-dust-rebellion.aspxIDK.
>>98793604Which means it's now the cheapest coin game:https://www.gmtgames.com/c-36-coin-series.aspx#[PageNumber(0)|PageSize(50)|PageSort(Name)|DisplayType(Grid)]
How is Puerto Rico still so damn good, bros
>>98793604you can either wait for future printings or for it to hit closeout prices on ebay, there's no reason to buy it now other than scratching the itch. if you really just want to consoom get racket rice instead.
>>98793604I hate that fat fuck youtuber so this is good news
>>98792172It was kinda strange playing the after fcm and hc, tgz is very streamlined compared to those 2I also cannot believe pax transhumanity is a 4.4 weight on bgg, it's lighter than your average mps slop imo
thoughts on Infamous Traffic 2e?
>Play Spooktacular at LGS with pure randos>Funnest game I've played in a while>Apparently it's bad? And the guy who owned the game sold it?
>>98793661Thankfully, Puerto Rico lost the Spiel des Jahres to Villa Paletti.
>try Bus on BGA>go last in 4p >extension, bus, and starting player get immediately taken>can't vroom>game forces me to waste 2 actions on dumb shit like buildings and passengers>go third in second round>same shit happens again>by third round I'm still with starting route and several points behind everyoneGreat gaem splotter
>>98793266There's not a lot of detail about it - it's supposed to be cube rails but mining. And dwarfs. >>98793604It's not even worth that. Easily the worst of the series and that's not even an opinion influenced by Carmichael. It's too long, the flashpoint rounds slow the game down, and it's really just "fight the guys around you, don't worry about negotiation".>>98794470I had the first edition and didn't like it. It just boiled down to getting in people's way and calling the cops. Whoever had like 4 points wins. The game play in 2e looks the same but the addition of cards to do actions could save it. I don't crowdfund games but not sure I would back this one even if I did. Besides, there's going to be at least one person in every group that will have it so no reason to buy it.
>>98794580>Sucking during your first game in a splotter title Woah that has never happened before
>>98794585Sucking how? What was I supposed to do, exactly? There are only 7 actions in the game, 2 of them are borderline worthless (passengers and buildings), one gives you negative points (seriously what could possibly cause one to use time stop?) and the only action that scores points requires you to have previously primed infrastructure which doesn't happen if you get cockblocked at the start.
Is the wood version of T&E worth it, or should I go for the regular, cardboard version?
>>98794600I have never played bus so I cannot tell you what you did wrong but I assure you fucked up the counterplay
>>98794600>(seriously what could possibly cause one to use time stop?)The main reason is to dissuade people with better opportunities from dumping markers on Vrrooomm! If they dump the markers anyway (or you chose the clock after they committed to Vrrooomm!) you pause time to punish them. If they back off and leave points on the table you can choose to not pause time, since they've already given up on scoring.You might also put a marker on the clock, with no intention of pausing time, so that you can safely do a large amount of Vrrooomm!If people have been pausing time enough to threaten the end of the game, a player with a big enough lead might claim it to cement victory or the player to their right might to it to prevent the game form ending.
>>98794629Thats a very idealistic scenario. Stopping time does -1 to you, so in order to justify it, you must cause AT LEAST -1 to every other player to end up with zero sum. Lots of stars need to align for that. The building action does a much better job at hurting other players without penalizing you - you can surgically place them to cancel travel needs and specifically target the leader.
>>98794641You don't need a zero sum to justify it. A swing where the players in the lead don't break further away but the players in the back get closer to you can still be worthwhile.
>>98794580I never played Bus 3rd player should have taken 1st place or nobody, I can't imagine it's viable to use your 1st place or 2nd place action to take first that early.
>>98794498Oh the game is amazing, the theme is superb etc.The thing is, you play it 2-3 times and realize there's precious little room for skill. I don't want it to be a heavy, super deep game, but it really felt like it largely plays itself. Which is a shame because it's so damn cool and full of ideas.
Is Xia worth playing with its expansions? I remember being interested in this game years ago, but then I heard it was nothing but a dumb rollfest that goes on way too long.
>>98794580>buildings and passengers are dumbbuildings and passengers are how you earn victory points. use your time to shape the map and make it as horrible for opponents to play on as you can. then take the time piece action, and when it's time to resolve it consider which outcome will earn your opps the most points, and do the opposite of that. or better yet take the timepiece early to keep your options open.also you had earlier turn order in round 2, and someone had 2 buses, meaning even getting second dibs on any of the placement actions would've been productive. not the best, but if you wanted the best you'd take 1st turn order in round 2 as your first action.
>>98795142it's basically a slightly less fun, scifi themed Merchants and Marauders. it's fun but in an american way.
I'm making a game where you can roll with the wizzas and shit and be like ZAP MUTHAFUCKA
>>98793661I just ordered it for 12$ plus shipping
>>98795444I think a good fantasy ti4 version is long overdue tbqh
>>98793661Can't go wrong with the classics. Even if it used to be known as a chud game by how the media used to cry about it being a slavery simulator. Been thinking about getting the special edition from the Concordia campaign recently.
>>98794600Possible setup for a vroom point in the first round.
Me when it's been two years since the last Dominion release
Why play dominion when you can just play barbarossa
I bought Arkham Horror 3rd edition because it was on sale. Did I make a mistake?
>>98798151yeah
>>98797860>me when just getting into Dominionisn't there enough content as it is?
Year 6 of getting my family to play anything other than wingspan for 50% of our games and every single day we're together.>"No. I just want to play something we know already.">"Let's start with this.">"One more?"
>>98799195Next time you come over to dinner, bring a suicide vest.
>>98799195Next time bring Monopoly or Uno to your table.
It's that time again, anon
>>98799530Root paper stock faction boards to save room in your boxes?It's not a cosmic frog poster, those come in triangle tubes
>>98799195just tell them you don't like Wingspan and that you think other games have better gameplay, even if there's less visuals, plus if they can handle wingspan they can handle all other games, they know how to do N actions per turn, they know how to manage a tableau, they know how to roll dice, they know how to work with both a central something and a personal something. most games don't go further than that.
>>98799530is that your pnp order from the local print shop for Air Land and Sea with the expansion?
Any Blazon enthusiasts here? I came up with a bunch of house rules, including one for the rule of tincture and one for randomly generating shields.https://www.htmlover.com/000037.xhtml
>>98799562funny, I've been trying to get that one after discovering I really like lane battle esque games>>98799543NahI'm kinda amazed how small the box is and I really dig the side art that makes it look like a large tome if standing upright on the shelf
>>98799651>smallThat is not a small box
>>98799976It's significantly smaller than your run of the mill midweight euro box. But yes, I should've said smaller than expected
>>98799195Bring Dominant Species, it's "just like" wingspan.
>>98798053>Why play dominion whenit's bad>>98795444I better be able to ponder my orb for double power next turn
Bros I had another breakthrough for my design. Literally just one more remaining until I have no excuse to not start prototyping.Would recommend playing shit games you'd hate just to pick up design ideas. In this case Tag Team.
>>98800350you dont need to play them to pick up design ideas, just knowing how they work. but theoretical knowledge is always different from real experience anyway. generally with any artistic process, it also helps setting yourself problems to work around or coming from a place where you think something is flawed and use that as a basis for your design. e.g. a lot of people have problems with how MTG handles mana as a resource, so now there have been several card games that take that as a basis and try to find a solution for this.
How many games do I need to play before I can make my own game?
What's the better coop game? Is there a better 4 player coop card game? I was looking at Arkham LCG but that's absolutely unaffordable.
>>98800509>Is there a better 4 player coop card game?Astro KnightsPaleoEternal Decks
>>98800490ZeroI would argue that playing a lot of games lets you avoid pitfalls but also sends you down the same path as designers before you.Like how anons have rightfully said how modern euros are actually really damn complicated but they use so many established patterns boardgamers have no trouble picking them up immediately
>>98800529Too randomGoodToo random Stick with Sentinels
Posting my challenge completed reward list:>ito>cereal killer>QE>potion explosion>tag team>petiquette>ashes>bloc by bloc uprisingmy collection is quite complete as is but i appreciate recommendations
>>98800460Come on now. Designing a game after zero experience with board games is a surefire way to create SHUG (read: retarded pile of crap).
>>98800680>>98800537wrong quote sorry m80s
Does anyone here play Arcs consistently or decently often? Is it any good?
>>98800725more like Acks
>>98800725i played it a few times. try googling arcs and reddit, there is lots of threads on that game. it's very divisive. it really depends on what you like in a game. some anon once told me that it feels like a knife fight in a phone booth, i think that's pretty accurate. everything is constantly deteriorating, a single fight can destroy many of your ships and there is barely a way to repair or recover anything. cour cards are really useful, but not necessarily easy to get. cards you play often times wont let you do what you want, unless you have initiative. if you have shit cards, there is a good chance that you wont get it a lot of times. your shitty cards can be compensated for by using your resources like fuel, ammo, etc. which makes the prelude phase super annoying imo. aftere a single turn, the board state can change completely, so whatever plan you had, is now gone. to get the most out of your shitty hand you use the prelude phase that lets you spend resources, which is a pain in the ass imo. you have to do everything in the right order, which requires a lot of mental energy thinking everything through and executing it while you have other people talking in the background. it also means that everyone's turns usually take quite long.i guess i bounced off of it.
>>98800725>Does anyone here play Arcs consistentlyThat's me.It's wherle's best game, and that might mean a lot to you or barely anything. Base game is good, but you can get fucked by card draw no matter how much wherlefags tell you "every hand is bad". Campaign is just fucked. It's "find your course trough heaps of bullshit that keeps being added to this game" and the SHIT ASS color scheme means that you can't tell cards at a glance, which is criminal
>>98800876Uh so uh is it good? What else do you and your group play?
>>98800680>>98800684That's fair, I shouldn't have gone to the extreme. Point was, you can design games without prior experience. They likely will be shit, but I have come to a point where I actually enjoy weird shit and experimental designs. But I do believe the more you are used to modern design sensibilities, the more you conciously or subconciously follow them. Like how nowadays a method of approach to imbalances in the design seems to be to soften all the edges, but edges can be exactly what's fun. Eg.:>Today I will start my game with 6 blind auctionsAbsolute madman design and I love it
>>98801096i get what you are saying, and i respect that, i think the problem with board games in this regard is that they are highly interactive, mass products that usually require at least 2 or more people to play (i know solo board games exist). so some modern design elements like people not being eliminated and still having a chance to catch up or at least participate, make a lot of sense and i barely see a reason why you wouldnt do this in your game design.i think this is also why wehrle is so divisive. he makes mean games. arcs is also very ambitious, or oath as well. those are not easy games, but board game geeks go crazy over them. shut up and sit down did a really good video on john company and how it is a piece of art. highly recommended watch.speaking of art, if you are into visual art, there is a similar discussion about technique. people who are not into art will often times really like technical artworks, for someone who hasnt seen a lot, it's easily impressive. if you are into art, then you may realize that those kind of works usually lack any sort of creativity or originality, that is not to say that technical art cant be good. it very much can, but that's just one small part of the whole thing. art brute e.g. is amazing, even though many people could do something like that on a technical level.
>>98800490All of them
>>98800680>>98800684is it can it be time?
>>98801238I was thinking of wehrle as well. I didn't mention him because he's such an anomaly and would actually be a good argument against the point I wanted to make.I always find his work very intriguing and I do check out all his stuff....And I always, always really hate it, precisely because it does ignore a lot of modern design "rules". I find his games are brilliant from a distance, and absolutely fall apart mechanically under closer inspection (with the exception of PP2e). Oath would have been so much better if he took a more modern approach to "bite sized" turns.I was thinking more along the lines of christophe boelinger, the things I played by him (dungeon twister, rise&fall, archipelago) didn't do away with design lessons learned in the last 2-3 decades yet he gives them relatively wild spins and breaks established rules when appropriate. Also of course Holland trannys designs which range from janky fun to full on experimental.
>>98783794>Where do you actually play?Either at my place or in a local community centre, where one of the guys was smart enough to acquire 5k$ from participatory budget to buy boardgames, Warhammer, a lot of terrain and a huge amount of painting accessories. Our meetings take place each Saturday and at least 2 Thursdays per month.>Which room (home) or How many tables (out)?My garage cause it's heated, has ceiling insulation so we can tell at eachother.>What is the table size and shape? Is it big enough?I got 3 of those bad boys, each one is 125x64cm>What would be your ideal gaming spot be like?I already have two.>What would be your ideal table size?I already have one.>What features do you want in a dedicated game space?Nothing, really.
>>98802400Everything about this image is revolting.
When I don't like a game I'll slowly steal its components until it's unplayable
Arcs or Brian Boru?
>>98802411Won this one, hell yeah.
>>98800632Post your collection for better recommendations.
>>98802411how else would you know you're the green droid?
>>98802826Dang, I thought I was the only anon who owned the DiceTree edition.
>>98802817I like brian boru but arcs is more interesting.brian boru is better trick taking thoughever
>>98802957Somewhat mindblowing, I always thought root was an interesting design with massive mechanical weaknesses. Kinda suprised it was always shit by design.
>>98802817Brian boru for a game you play 3 times and go "yeah it's pretty good" shrug and barely ever get it out anymoreArcs for a game you play once, utterly hate it everytime but keep coming back to it because it feels like there's something you aren't seeing until you give up afer a few more tries
>>98798975There probably is honestly. It's mechanically simple enough that there's only so much you can do. The one thing Donald hasn't done that I think would be cool is more cards like Charlatan that change what Curses do
Guess I'm gonna have to be the guy who buys Puerto Rico for the group
>>98802826>Dicetree + Iron Clay chipsMr moneybags over here.
>>98802957>>98803062
>>98802957How old is this post? I'm pretty sure Cole himself has said on the matter of runaway leaders that players should "balance" the game. I suppose he imagines players should just silently mald that someone else is not bashing the leader?What an incoherent man. It would all be explained if it's just various copes he's running through but underneath it all understands that Root is a busted design that only gained popularity due to accessible asymmetry and cute animals.
>>98803266It's pretty cheap. I'm sure you'll be alright
>>98804276when i took the screenshot, it was 5 hours old, so about a day by now. you should be able to still see it in the root subreddit
>>98804901>when i took the screenshot, it was 5 hours old, so about a day by now.
>>98800350Playing and play eating games is overrated in the design processA great design emerges naturally and fits together, because the universe wouldn't allow it to be any other waySounds like your design is forcedLike I'm sitting on two finished designs that are easily top 25 games on bgg
>>98804935Idk anon it makes sense to me>>98804961Can't say that and not post designs or prototypes, do it faggot
>>98804961>easily top 25 games on bggthat ain't exactly a glowing recommendation
>>98805360TrueI went through the top 100 list one time, and compared it to 101-200, and I thought the latter had a stronger list of gamesIn reality I think they're top 10 designs, but top 25 is just where I think they'd end up with proper production and marketing, which are big variables
>>98805378>>98804961Now THIS is SHUGposting
>>98805378>dogshit mechanics >bloated and overly fiddly>cutesy overproduced plastic pusher with stretch goals for Gucci HRT purses designed by o'toole and ferrin at 50,000 and 250,000$ respectively boom top 10 on the geek
>>98805378i recently started watching some actualol videos and while i am generally wary of all boardgame youtube channels, since most of the time they are just trying to sell you stuff. i do like that he does not really care about the current hype or trends. especially if you are starting out he recommends more tried and true stuff, that is still modern board game design, but has also shown to still be good games after years of people playing them
Troyes really needs a board that the cards slot into.
>>98805674You're being too obvious, Jon
Danes funding next weekI don't think my table will be big enough
>>98805674I've not watched much by him but from what I've seen he seemed like the generic cucked british bg reviewer, this time with the most bland of tastes and offensively inoffensive. Maybe he's a nice dude and I'm getting the wrong vibe but man did he ooze "everything over 60 minutes is unplayable"
>>98805753I love rosenbergs, but I think I'll skip this one. Affo already is such a sprawling and fiddly beast to play on the table and danes looks like it shares >90% of gameplay with it and comes in an even larger box (I believe)
I prefer games with a smaller footprint because i only play in pubs with my honkies and honkettes like a true briton geezer
>>98805694The only thing Troyes needs is some better iconography, or text on the cards clarifying what they do. The base game isn't bad, but the expansion has me running to a reference sheet half the time when we flip the cards for the next age
>>98805849Yeah the sucker is huge, Gloomhaven sizeAnd I kind of get their dilemma - keep it as an expansion and now you're running into the classic >who's going to buy an expansion the same price of the base game?So they said fuck it and went all outMy main concern, besides the price, is the new island system. Afaik, it's still based on the same premise of "grab them based on your current goals and needs" and that was kind of a pain glancing over over 4/8 tiles. Now you're given what, 16? And tasked to memorize the island, actions, unique pieces, unique buildings, AND unique occupations? It's cool modularity, but I'm not autistic enough for that.(Side note - it still drives me crazy there's no official ruling on # island tiles you should have out. For any of the player counts or for the expansions.)
>>98806336>Gloomhaven sizeno good game ever needed to be gloomhaven size
>>98805753is that fuckin legacy elements on the action selection board?he really decided to just throw sense and reason out the window and go all out, huh
Gloomhaven really fell off the face of the earthThank GodYet, the card play/card upgrade system was good, but that could have been delivered without the 20 pounds of tedium
Behold, the best coop game in existence.
>>98806705that's not bombbusters
>>98806720Hanabi is the superior.
>>98806799Hanabi is shit from a butt compared to bomb busters
>>98806807BB is a lobotomized Hanabi for normalfags. Even has the obligatory mascots.
>>98806827>muh japanese fireworks folded over 1000 timesIt's so easy to sell actual shit to weebs it's unbelievable
>>98806842Getting awfully defensive there. BB is the dumbed down version with cutesey mascot characters designed to appeal to children and women. It's okay to enjoy it, just don't be in denial about the truth.
>>98805762yeah probably lol i gotta agree with you there and he is probably too save with the classic kind of games he's into. i think 3 hours is totally fine for a game. i mean, even if i play shorter games, i would preferably do more rounds and not be done after half an hour or hour.
>>98783794My group enjoys games with a good amount of interaction and games that feature negotiations and alliances as well. We recently played brass birmigham and they loved it alot. I was wondering what kind of games there are that feature interaction with other players that are kind of promenante in the board game scene or unknown in general?
>>98806705*woops, wrong image
>>98807906
>>98808051>"No!"
>>98808031What clank is that?
Make way pissmops, the superior Hansa map coming through.
>>98808051Lol you cheeky fucker.However, I 100% agree with you.
>>98806459doesn't persist b/w games, it's just whichever islands you take opens up new actions for other playersnot sure if I like it myself, but I think Uwe is giving his blessing to the designer since that dude's weapon grade autism is untouched
>>98808216looks like one of the Legacy clanks, the 20point mastery token being a beer is what makes me think that.
>>98808216Legacy 1
Board game idea: It has a lot of bits and parts and things to keep track of and custom made parts and the box is really heavy
>>98808931504?
>>98808931I'm afraid that has already been done>>98807763Root would be my go to example, but I hate it. It's pretty divisive, and there are lots of dudes on a map games that feature rules guided or just metagame negotiation. If you've got enough people who are willing to spend most of a day playing a game, Ti4 is pretty neat. For just negotiation, Chinatown is still pretty good as is sidereal confluence and Santiago (NOT santiago de cuba)
>>98807763i onced saved this list for games with lots of interaction: Stationfall, Santorini, Vast: the Mysterious Manor, A Guest of Robin hood, Root, Inis, Hive are some great ones.
>>98804961>Like I'm sitting on two finished designs that are easily top 25 games on bgg
>>98807763Your group works probably cream themselves over Sidereal Confluence
Is there a game you prefer playing virtually?
>>98809902Forest Shuffle and Indonesia.Oh and I've never played Wingspan in meat space and likely never will. but I still have played it ~150 times and will keep playing
>>98809902digital twilight struggle is pretty comfy
Opinions on Evegreen (2022)? Mostly MPS, I assume.
>>98809902i havent played any online yet. i think the translation to digital is a visual downgrade in this case
A friend brought over Andromeda's Edge yesterday. Apparently it's basically a reskin of something called Dwellings of Eldervale, which a couple of the guys have played.The game is... Okay, maybe? But I kind of hated it. Right off the bat, the power differential between the factions is insane. On top of that, the random ship upgrades range from trash to great, a fact made worse by the potential synergies with faction powers. One guy took the faction that gets free cards and supremacy advancements, and got a transport upgrade that turns it into a fighter. Epic. He won the game despite multiple massive fuck-ups based on this alone.The game itself is a mildly interesting twist on worker placement in that it's basically reverse worker placement. Most of the shit on the map is next to worthless, and you get more from your own board, especially later on once you get some modules. I guess it can be somewhat fun to build up a massive industry.Not that I ever did that myself, because the modules ALSO vary massively in their utility. So when my turn rolled around all the best shit was replaced with some garbage nobody wants (most of which proceeded to stay there for the rest of the game). Random moons, random raiders, random FUCKING intrigue cards.This is the only time you'll ever see me recommend Dunc Imperium. Play that instead of this.
>>98809715It's an Albany expression.
>>98809902Race for the Galaxy. Much better online than in person. Ditto for Hunt for Blackbeard.Also, there are a lot of really good games that just came to browser play - Railways of the Lost Atlas got a web version, War Room has a great web version, and pic related has an absolutely stellar implementation on BGS that came out this week.
>>988102512/2Once again I'm feeling very smug and proud of my own board game purchases. Friends keep bringing over bomb after bomb. The game is so badly outclassed by Eclipse it's not even funny.Side note, I'm really starting to hate games with significant setup. This card type, that weird mini card type you can't riffle shuffle, bazillion different token types, massive ugly pointless cardboard pieces. All in the service of some fucking stupid shit that is not engaging on any level.This is part of the reason why HF4A was such a breath of fresh air for me. It's a really long, complex game, and you can start playing it in literally 1 minute.
>>98810318>Side note, I'm really starting to hate games with significant setup.I blame tabletop simulator for this.
Played this last night. It's decent. It's not as heavy as I thought it was going to be and kind of felt a little Pax-y with the personae cards you can buy. Every faction has a national ambition victory condition but some of the cards grant you new conditions or little perks to hegemony. Liked that mechanic.But man is it slow to get going. The best move out of the gate is to just focus on workshops and royal control so you have money for troops early on. Feels like a lot of resource upkeep for the first two turns. Also, the map is beautiful but is an absolute pain in the ass to play on. It's hard to pick up on the provinces and workshops when you have tons of stuff going on on the board. We played with the full player count and I don't think it would be as fun without at least 4. Not bad though - would play again.
>>98810298those web versions look aislop-coded. please tell me actual humans are behind the wheel, not a hallucination machine.
>>98810619The code is open source. Check it yourself.
>>98810338Superior digital implementations in general. Gloomhaven Digital is the most notable example.
>>98810619>actual humans are behind the wheel, not a hallucination machine...........
>>98809902Clans of Caldonia is probably the only game I prefer online. My core group went to online only board games and left me in meatspace.>>98810298not wanting to shuffle a gigantic stack of cards is ass bro, you're ass bro
>>98810683i cant find the source code for either BoardGamers or the RotLA web app, but i'll take your word for it. sorry for being too wary.
>>98810685I am specifically calling out designers who prototype in tabletop simulator and never have to set up or shuffle.
>>98810912À la Bios Mesofauna, gotcha.
I'm looking for digital assets for the Pagan Fate of Roanoke (except base game and first expansion) and if any of you have the playtest rules for Kiri-Ai unreleased expansion cards
Are there any Knizia rethemes you prefer over the OG?
>>98811434Zoo vadis
Best "Take that!!" ga
>>98807763Dune 2019 Dune 2019 Dune 2019 Dune 2019 Dune 2019 Dune 2019 Dune 2019 Dune 2019 Dune 2019
Any games that actively encourage cheating? I know of Cheating Moth, any others that use that design philosophy?
>>98811488idk man probably Argent
>>98811511Roll for the galaxyJust set the dice to whatever behind your screen, the game basically encourages it
>>98811434Battleline over schotten tottenYellow and Yangtze is equal to tigris and euphrates
>>98811849Crits & Tricks has the same issue
>>98811511there is a cheaters version of monopoly IIRC
>>98811849Why would you deliberately cheat in a boardgame, especially one with such low stakes? What is there to be gained?>>98811511I played Schummelhummel (cheating bee or whatever the official translation is) and it's good for one, maybe two games. Possibly more if you are drunk. I was pretty disappointed, it is so chock full of good ideas, but like most gimmicky games, it just gets old VERY fast. I suppose I'll play it with the kids when they're a bit older and can actually cheat in more subtile ways.I dislike Cosmic encounter a lot, but the cheater faction and it's special card are VERY fun. I'd get what people see in CE if everything was of this quality.
I am beginning to understand why some people have problems with euros. Played with a few guys I haven't played much before, 4p GWT game. It lasted + 3 1/2h. My turns probably totalled around 12 min of that. Now this isn't saying everyone should play from their gut, but how thinking time doesn't necessarily correlate with success. I came in second and the other guy that played even faster won. I suppose I wouldn't get this amount of AP in the more ameritrashy games; or at least less extreme. I can now better understand how people wouldn't want to touch heavy euros if this is their regular experience with them.
>>98812149I wouldn't, but the game design obviously has no way to account for itI played the game once and absolutely hated itInfact if I had an amazing roll, I'd probably debuff it, just so people didn't suspect I was cheating
multiple Dune based games cropped p over the years. which of those are good/noteworthy, which are bad/obvious cash grab and which one is the best? I like Thematic games and i read that most of them are very thematic.
>>98812310You know you're in bad company when you read the expected play time on the side of the box and you get a retort about how those are never accurate
>>98812457Oh, I find they often are more a "this is what you can get it down to if everyone knows the rules and has experience with the game", but the time on the box varies wildly in accuracy. But more than twice the upper boundary on the box is borderline obscene
>>98812432Sure, but isn't that the case with nearly all games with hidden information then? Or are you talking about accidentally cheating by using the mitigation wrong?I found roll not bad but annoying, largely because it largely works the same thing as race, yet is much worse.
>>98812310Sounds like you had a table full of AP-riddled retards. If one of us takes longer than a couple minutes, we start harassing them.
>>98812149>What is there to be gained?VPs. The problem with cheaters is they are always looking to cheat instead of how to play well. >>98812432>Infact if I had an amazing roll, I'd probably debuff it, just so people didn't suspect I was cheatingthis is the 2nd most retarded take on bgg today, I fucking hate people like you and would rather play with a cheater
>>98812310see your problem anon is thinking GWT is a euro when it's actually a deckbuilding race game closer to the quest for el dorado than castles of burgundy.
>>98812543pretty well crafted bait, I nearly fell for it
>>98812542>VPsI mean this whole discussion is rhetorical, neither of us would do something like that. But I suspect this isn't directly about winning but rather something like a desire to seem smart or prove one's abilities, pathetic as that may be in a boardgame you play for joy.Also agree that that other anons take is retarded, but why would you rather play with a cheater
>>98812310Yeah I've stopped going to local gatherings because everybody there is legitimately fucking retarded and that makes my game time be like 1/20th of any given game. Project L? Let me take 5 minute turns thinking about what to do with my 3 actions and still end up running out of pieces and having to just take level 1 pieces from the supply. Ok let's play one of your filler games you only bought because it has a cute theme to you; of what's that? you don't even knew the rules after playing it 5 times and I have to correct you during after the game because you couldn't even bother to read the rulebook of your "it's splendor with a twist" game?
>>98812698Propolis mentioned.
>>98812483No, most games with hidden information (I.e. a card or tile color) don't provide you the option to change what it is, in the way Roll lets you easily manipulate the dice behind your screen.
>>98812698If they're slow, new to the game, or just AP-prone, I'll start trying to help them by asking what are they tying to do and telling them how to do it. If they're idiots staring at their phone I just throw things at their head and move their pieces when they're not looking.
>>98812936The obvious solution is to replace the dice with a cups of chits.
>>98812953How does this solve anything without completely changing the game?
>>98811511I cheat at any game I don't like, cuz fuck emBuying a route 6 trains long? I'm handing in 5 cards
>>98813040A cup of chits can be an exact substitute for a die without the ability to rotate the pulled chit to a different value. Managing 111 separate cups would be a pain in the ass though.
Where can I ask for the DMCA'd TTS mods? If you bring it up in the 'cords they sperg out. Is there a non-faggy save server yet?
>>98813302>how to exhibit fag conduct without being counted among the fags?
>>98812455the old one with the 2019 reprint is good if and only if you have 6 total players and are not allergic to rulebooks and "do this or you fall behind so much itr's unrecoverable" type situations in the early gameDunC Imperium and its variants/expansions/etceteras are alright. Not the best deckbuilder, not the best worker placement, but has theme all over it and weaves all three together neatly.the 1v1 game i forget the name of is just War of the Ring but worse
>>98813302there is exactly one 'cord for mods not on the workshop, look up "TTS Save Trading"on the other hand there's also the workshop archive>https://litter.catbox.moe/b62caperu5cuqgnp.htmlbut i dont know how out of date it is, or where to find a newer version.
> playing with someone who, everytime he makes a mistake, corrects his mistake to play the most ideal move, because he is new to the game, but so are the others. same thing happens to me and i just accept the mistake and try to learn from it
Played this with my group of 4 yesterday and it was chill. Any other solid coop games with little turn to turn downtime like this? Barring the other legendary games as I assume they play similarly.
>>98813551Agree broadly, but>2019 >"do this or you fall behind so much itr's unrecoverableHuh? Dune is possibly the most tactical/swingy game of its type while having those swings be earned. Unlike something like Arcs, where it's just "oh you got three red cards and i got zero, guess you just kill me now".>DunC Imperium>has theme all over itIt has pictures and names of things you've heard, but the actual thematic integration is borderline zero.
>>98812455I would also recommend the 2 (maybe 3) games >>98813551 mentioned with similar caveats as >>98813842 did.>Dune 2019 (aka just "Dune", released in 2019)One of the best games of its type but you really gotta have a group fit for it. It has wild swings and negotiation,- and betrayal heavy gameplay by design you need to understand that it's all calculated risks and information, fucking up a big combat might set you back half a game or more and nothing is ever safely in your control. Plus the ruleset is an absolute nightmare, one of the worst I have encountered. Not in terms of explaining the game but in its infuriating vagueness. Very thematic.>DUNC imperiumIt's somewhat divisive but I find it to be an enjoyable deckbuilder/wp hybrid. Theme is more than just a coat of paint, but not much more.>War for arrakisI am a huge WotR fan and I found WfA to lack everything I love about the former and I think it's a massive disappointment. However I am very much in the minority here and it IS a quicker game.
>>98813975>I am very much in the minority hereAre you? I don't think I've read one review of WfA here that was particularly glowing, let alone better than WotR
>>98812310I agree so much with this
>>98812310this is why I like Splotter euros so much. either the turns are fast and there's not much to do, or we have fast turns interrupted by one Big Turn™ that everyone has to account for now and change their strategy accordingly.
>>98814224I remember getting some pushback when I posted my take. But that was some time ago when the game wasn't widely available so KS illness might have played a part in this
>>98814533That is not my splotter experience at all
>>98812521Oh we do as well, but as it turns out harassment slows it down even furtherI forgot the worst factor, we all knew the game, the slower two had played at least 4-5 games. I'm sympathetic to someone saying look I had to write a paper until 12 today and haven't slept properly can we do something light. But gwt was their explicit wish.As said, the thing I take away from this is a newfound understanding why some people hate euros. I have always loved them, but I suppose I'd be replaying wingspan and cascadia as well if, say, Gaia Project took a whole fucking day
>play game>great time had by all>want to talk about the session afterwards>noone is really interested in the whys and hows and what ifsI kinda get why people begin BG podcasts
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAA!!
>>98813635I think if it's done in a timely matter and absolutely no new information has been shown it's fine to allow takebacks sometimes, some people really abuse redoing things for some weird reason, insecurity or just plain autism I guess.
>>98811849I feel like this is the cheaters paradox, where the cheater is so focused on the cheat they miss the more obvious and better play. Roll gives you so many ways to manipulate the dice that even a mediocre player should quickly just have a glut of options not matter what they roll. It's not even the best way to cheat at that game.>>98812570my dad is a pathological cheater, and I feel sick sometimes that I released him on the board game community, so it's a real issue for me- not just theoretical.>>98813060kiddie mode
>>98815061in heat where everyone lays down their cards for their turn and then reveal at the same time, other cars take their turn driving, now it's his turn, he realizes that he did not take the weather token into account that would affect the corner he takes, so he takes one more heat, which causes his to crash. this rule has been explained at least 2 times during the round, it was new for me as well. but he wants to change his move to something optimal, because other people played one more round of the game than him. that is already the second time that he corrected a move in this round. when i made a mistake, i just accepted the mistake and the consequences instead of redoing it. it did not make much of a difference anyway, he finished in second place, so i dont get the drama. i think part of the fun of games is making mistakes, they are just games. if you can only enjoy them if you only play in the most ideal way and only get fun out of it if you win, then that's a big issue. the chaos is part of the fun. what happens during playing is much more interesting than winning. anyway, i refused to let him go through with it, and now he is really angry, got a wall of text today full of insults and now he never wants to play with me again. i dont really mind, i have enough people to play with.
>>98815300>My dad is a pathological cheaterjust in boardgames or is he a con artist in general? Also, just out of interest, why do you think he cheats?>>98813060Well that's quite the underage b& mindset
Eh. On taverns my entire family helps make more optimal dice placement when it's obvious you should have some more beers just to advance the reputation market to kick out shitty guests and the like.Or Hansa teutonica reminding people that the move instead of place action is available, even if they use all 3 actions to place and would very obviously get blocked by a disk before their next turn.Or pink powers in wingspan.I'm sure heat is very different because it's a shared board though.
>>98813060The world is better without you.Pick better routes, nerd. Pay attention when I'm picking up pink cards.Also take the fucking rainbow instead of drawing off the top for 4 turns.
>>98812310My brother in law enlists every brain at the table. He thinks aloud and says things like, "well I don't want to do that because then I can't..." and "I haven't played as much so..."Meanwhile I'm auditing everyone's turns to make sure they pay right and do the actions right and still plan for my turn.But then he usually wins because, surprise, having 4 brains working on your turn is better then 1.I tell myself I'm going to selfishly think only about my plans from now on but I can't help but audit. I can't turn it off.
>>98808247Actionless I see.Let me just get that city and start paying myself with more actions.
>>98808247>>98815445Wait. Now I realize I've only ever played this map upside down.I'm used to the action city being in the lower right, not upper left.I'd be going for all of those lower right cities after getting 3 actions.
>>98815416I feel you. I rarely if ever play "just" on my turn. I constantly do admin, check if plays are legal, correct sums have been paid etc. You know, keeping the game running. I'm also the guy to teach a new game and with that comes added baggage, apparently. That all said, I just really enjoy boardgaming and if my own play is less than ideal it's a small price to pay to have everyone have a good time. Even though it might not be necessary 4-5 games in, I just can't really help it
>>98815445Green man got to 5 actions.Even got to exploit it over several rounds.But my wife and I made sure to close things out before he could get out of control. He wound up coming in last.
KDM Friday went well. Got the board painted up finally this week, looks pretty good. Our 4 immortal hunters all catastrophically lost their insanity, which caused a panic, but fortunately when they arrived at the hunting grounds there was a pool of blood to bathe in and get the insanity back.
>>98795142https://www.thegamecrafter.com/games/spacers:-space-adventure-board-game
>>98815783what sort of cake is that
>>98815783you'd think two per table side would be more ideal for 4p
>>98815351I grew up with him dealing 2nd cards, stacking the deck and cheating at monopoly. In modern board games his favorite is to have misheard the rule, or take too much and then put something else back. Just constant mistakes and misunderstandings that give him an advantage. He likes very rules complex games with lots of moving parts so the mistakes are less traceable. Then he does stuff like insist on looking at the draw bag to "assess the odds" shakes it a little then pinches the corner where most of the chits are and draws "blind". In our family game of oh hell he always deals first and always deals the highest possible trump to my mom first forcing her to bid one and inevitably leaving him free to bid zero knowing no one can beat her. Every game starts the same way with my mom getting the highest trump or a joker (trump beater in house rules). It's a little sad as his dexterity has waned and you can now see all his card manipulations but nothing stops him from doing it. Worse probably is when you catch him and he needs to undo or put something back he just uses that as another opportunity to misunderstand and put the wrong thing back or do something else "accidentally". Picking up a 5 because the symbol for money is a little yellow when it's clearly 1. Miscounting change. It's fucking exhausting and it really makes the super-autismos in his game groups apoplectic. I've literally seen a guy shaking and clutching his doll so frustrated with trying to get my dad to follow the rules that he almost couldn't speak. He'll also remember the most obscure rules when it's too his advantage. He lays out and practices all the games too so he knows the best building and whatnot, that's not really cheating per se but it's what kind of guy he is.
>>98815416I see this a lot with the new "lol, idk what to do" players where every one of those is group think and they naturally have better turns than everyone else without even understanding the game.
Today was 3 player Horrified with wolf man, mummy, invisible man and creature from the black lagoon. We beat the last monster on the last turn with the last action available. It was very close. I know it's not super popular but I find it way more engaging than auto-pilot co-ops like pandemic, forbidden island or desert, or others.
>>98800509sentinels is only fun solo or two players imo. without multi-handing the game is a little too low on decision-making
>>98816150Horrified is an auto-pilot co-op...
>>98816124This sounds really bad and I wouldn't keep anyone close to that in my game group, but... Being such an unrepentant cheater and the amount of grief he must've caused over time is genuinely funny. Thanks for the laugh, anon's dad.
My brother is having us play Brass Birmingham tonight. What am I in for? I've never played a euro game before.
>>98816684Read the rulebook. It's only 12 pages.http://files.roxley.com/Brass-Birmingham-Rulebook-2018.11.20-highlights.pdf
>>98816684>ASS
>>98816124>his doll I know I shouldn't ask but my morbid curiosity is beyond my control.
>>98816124Sounds like a former con artist that has never learned to actually play a game properly. Genuinely curious why you still play with him if he is that unrepentant and even let him loose on others
>>98815328Usually if I'm playing a game with people on their first or second time of the game, I'm allowing takebacks if the players haven't revealed any information, but we'll joke about it not being a legitimate win to the person. Just a little verbal poke. It's not like we're counting elo, and I understand that when you are doing a multi turn plan, and you get the order of operation mixed up slightly, it robs the player of that big enjoyment moment that will make them have a more enjoyable time.Maybe I'm too forgiving, idk. There are also people with different mental processors.In heat, I would probably let anyone take back something though, because the game basically has player elimination, but worse: you are forced to keep playing for the rest of the game in last place, just like a real race. And one spinout basically loses you a whole turn in an already hyper tight racing game.
>>98815390>The world is better without youI know, but I still refuse to die.
>>98816124Really curious what his occupation is, but it's alright if you don't want to dox him. I'm guessing a whitecolar job?
>>98816124sounds like he never got punched in his entire lifeyou can fix that
>>98816124When you tally the scores in games don't tally his.>mom 77 points>me 83 points>brother 91 pointsWhen he asks why you didn't tally his ask him if he had fun playing the game and it doesn't matter what the score is.
>>98818100Or he did get punched in the face and found out it actually wasn't that big of a deal. Would you punch someone in the face for cheating in a board game? How heavy/long would the board game need to be?
>>98817926this removes the whole point of the heat management though if everyone could just correct their mistakes. he was already pretty far ahead when he crashed and it ended up making no difference for him, maybe it robbed him at a chance for the first place, but unlikely though. i never crashed and ended up in last place, which at that point was also pretty obvious that that's gonna happen. or maybe i did crash once, due to picking some upgrade cards that werent ideal for the weather and conditions, doesnt matter. i own my mistakes and try to learn from them. we have a strained relationship anyway, that does not help. so this stuff ends up being way too serious for just playing a game. with other people this isnt an issue at all. so i guess it is better to just not play with him again.
>>98818340>Would you punch someone in the face for cheating in a board game?yes.in our country there's a small folk story anecdote, and a saying born from it. The Wolf, the Hare, the Bear and the Fox one day sit down to play some cards. The Bear brings in a candelabra (it's a story from the times before electricity was widely used) and says "I will not name any names, but whoever decides to cheat, will get hit with this candelabra right accross their sly orange face!". Thus ends the story, and the saying is those final words, "[you'll get hit] right in the sly orange face", with sometimes ruder synonims for added expletive effect. As a phrase it means a warning against cheating or foul play, and an implication that we know who is(are) the suspicious one(s) in the group.Games exist with rules, and the rules exist to draw boundaries and force players to work within those boundaries. If a cheater doesn't want to deal with the bondaries, why are they even playing at all? And why do they waste our time with their cheatly presence? A punch in the face ought to shake up and wake up their brain back into acting smart, not on autopilot.
Have you ever played a board game solo? Just bought fields of arle and have played it once. I am actually contemplating if I should play through this once myself too just to see if I could work out a better strategy.
>>98818533Playing devil's advocate here, and I enjoyed your story and agree, but there could be an argument made that due to evolutionary psychology, there could be a high evolutionary advantage to pulling the wool over your fellow human's eyes. This biological drive, if learned how to do successfully, is an advantage with mate attraction and business negotiation. That what the book The Red Queen would argue for, anyways. Reading that book actually make me get into social deduction games, since according to the rules, it creates a safe space sandbox for lies, deception, and manipulation.
>>98818606>bro you dont understand, i cant control my animal urges to be a cheater! we're not in a survival situation but my raw animalistic survival swindler instinct just won't stop! my body flase-shuffles cards on its own!if you wanna be an animal that much then fuck off to the forest.fair point on social deduction games, their rules and boundaries allow and even encourage lies. but we weren't really talking about those games, we were talking Clank and pinching the bag so that your cubes show up less often. that's not social deduction, that's appleas and oranges compared to "yeah i won't attack you, i'll order my army here to support you there, really!".
>>98818606You cannot build a civilisation, or functioning systems in general, on lies. There's the in-group/out-group aspect, where deceiving your enemies can be advantageous, but if your society is suffused with deception on every level, it is bound to collapse sooner than later.On the level of (standard) board games it works the same way. You play with your in-group and honesty is expected. Otherwise the game gets ruined. So keep that degenerate behavior on the periphery of board games where it is allowed.
>>98817051>ASS>HAMOh Wallace, oh my
>>98784696It looks too complicated
>>98784857>>98785465Why not play the superior bordgame?
>>98818699>>98818723It always amazes me that the optimal survival strategy would destroy society and civilization if everyone did it. I honestly can't believe society functions at all
>>98819113Lying is not "optimal" for humans, because at every level of human organisation a certain level of truthseeking is required. It might be an evolved aspect of status seeking and, at a deeper level, a result of self-consciousness, but it's always been kept at a periphery and was never considered virtuous. For every guy who fakes it till he makes it in some innocuous way, there are a hundred who are active detriments to their surroundings.
>>98819194Biologically speaking in the modern age, lying about your romantic life/your accomplishments is highly advantageous for spreading your genes. In business it is highly profitable to evade taxes and steal if you can. The thing keeping us in check is that, as you said, in the past, if you were caught, you'd be excommunicated and our brains are highly aware of this. It's why some of the people in the highest echelons are highly intelligent, but highly morally bankrupt.
>>98818606It's a interesting discussion but I would argue that the framework of a game isn't the same as the rest of life. Entering a game does mean accepting a certain, silently agreed upon set of rules. That's true even for animals who play-fight and such. I would argue "No cheating" is pretty universal and intuitive and defying this is a concious act (unless you are a sociopath and/or indian).
>>98819215It is beneficial rather short-term, but as you say, the problem is that it is of little consequence. If you have no moral compass to guide you, lying is very likely a low energy and relatively successful strategy.Talking about society, I feel the problem is indeed a lack of consequences. If I slip in the 23rd hour of a 24h shift and accidentally miss something important, I can get sued. If I am to lead a goddamn country, actively tell lies and stuff my own pockets with the peoples money there is NOTHING. We should bring back a small form of mob justice I suppose
>>988189891. Hard to get 2. Doesn't support 4 players
>>98817203from when I have visited my impression is only the most autistic of the autistic are still willing to play with him and that includes a guy who cannot go out without his doll. watching my dad's cheating making autists rock in frustration is almost worth going to game nights with him.>>98817949he gave up a masters degree to go work in a sewer plant. the masters was in psychology which he excelled at because there isn't a right answer (unlike math) and you can just bullshit your way through.>>98819113it's like being left handed, if more than 10% of the population does it it stops being an advantage. it's actually a really curious phenomenon.>>98817401wannabe con artist maybe. like he is so adamant about not paying taxes that he intentionally hobbled his income and let my mom blow a bunch of money on a business because he'd rather make $10 and not pay taxes than make $20 and pay $4 in taxes. as to why I still play with him, well he's my dad. I literally quit all boardgaming for two years because of some bullshit he pulled that soured me on the whole scene, but he ignores what anybody else thinks or feels and it's just not worth saying "I won't play" so instead I focus on keeping him from poisoning my group and beating the every loving shit out of him despite his cheating and practicing games. I'm pretty sure I've made him give up at least two of his favorites by just absolutely curb stomping him on the first or second play. small victory but it's all I've got.
>>98819693>Talking about society I feel the problem is indeed a lack of consequences.>We should bring back a small form of mob justice I supposeThe French used to do that with the guillotine. But I'm afraid, it is too late to do something like that with mass surveillance being normalized nowadays. Vigilantism is outlawed in most countries, and if you mess with the wrong morally-bankrupt-but-well-connected-type, you'll end up having your own "suicide" along with your henchmen.
>>98819113I think that this is only true if you adopt an unsophisticated definition of the word "optimal".
I'm love the anime girl
>>98819637Where do you even find this shit
Lads has one of you played Greylune?Seems neat as a small box lotsa game inside kind of product which I like more and more. But it doesn't seem to be available in Europe
>>98821192My mate sends me bg related videos with 45 views that dropped 3 hours earlier.That just so happen to be exactly about the type of game I am on about.From creators / indie publishers that I have never heard of before.Some of us just have our noses to the ground is all.Here have anotherhttps://youtu.be/2ftVm-s1ob4?si=FrZtEz7V8xUvIeIk
>>98821327https://youtu.be/aQRmhy2UD4U?si=Y9tjysIZDu52weU0
guys... i don't know... maybe i should get my games while i can, it will be my last haul anyway
>>98821915>last haulsure buddy, surealso you're going to quit with 2 months left?
>>98821327>https://youtu.be/2ftVm-s1ob4?si=FrZtEz7V8xUvIeIkI am so fucking erect rn
>>98821948i can only leave it to the dubs>check em!
>>98821915Don't do it snotlord, you'll regret it for the rest of your life if you do
>>98820473What games you two play, and in particular which ones did you curb stomp him in?
>>98821915You should do it just because it'd be funny to fail this close to the finish line>Last haulIf you aren't terminally ill we all know that's a lie
Has anyone played the EVE war for new eden board game? Any opinions? They have a copy and some of the expansions at my LGS and my inner spaceship geek is going nuts.
>>98816684The most amazing night of passion in your life
Some of my favorite Yahtzee-but-better dice games. Is Age Of War worth it for some dice throwing fun?
alright CGE, you sold me
>>98823659monopoly diced cannot be good. sagrada is in fact not good. idk the other two but sharp shooters looks like an 80s game.actually good dice games are roll for the galaxy and castle dice. king of tokyo at 4p.you might also look at roll-n-write, like Corinth or Welcome To... are decent ones. I've heard good things about pretty clever and IIRC qwixx is a "better" sagrada. Also, avoid things like "X but dice" (Castles of Burgundy Dice, Catan Dice, BANG! the dice game) their non-dice versions are exclusively better in my experience. Well not Catan and Monopoly but otherwise...Also dice is easy to search on BGG but the roll-and-write mechanism is not. Here are two resources:https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgamefamily/41222/mechanism-roll-and-writehttps://boardgamegeek.com/geeklist/213815/roll-and-write-gamesLast look at Space Base, it's a great casual "you care what everyone rolls" game, just beware the expansions eventually make it stupid.
>>98816325name any co-op besides spirit island that isn't
>>98823995Space Alert bitch
>>98822010You're going to relapse so hard after your stint that it's going to be like you didn't even take a year off kek
>>98823659No, get Las Vegas and Spots instead. Maybe take a look at Cubitos. Also avoid Castle Dice at all costs.
>>98820320Doesnt it support 4players? I thought it would. 2 different Terminator crews and two who play the Genestealers.But you are right. On BoardGameGeek they say 2 players. But i found a fan made card for a 2nd Term player.
>>98823659bro just get racket dice
new thread doko
>>98823659Pina coladice
>>98823659Also tharsis the videogame.
>>98823984Why is Sagrada not good?I just watched the rules and it looks fun.
>>98826098Be the change anon!
>>98826209it's multiplayer solitaire and doesn't give you meaningful choices since you can only hope late round rng gives you that blue die you need. It's really pretty but not very interesting to play. personally I find the hard cards easier to play but it still lacks any real challenge.
>>98820320>>98825192I had two copies of Space Hulk that I lost in a house fire. I miss playing it a lot. I have to settle for digital versions
>>98826430it's a drafting game with abilities that become more expensive after someone else uses them how the fuck could it be MS
>>98825192Found a bigger pic.
>>98826789Dang
>>98826625Is that the 90s pc game? Or tabletop simulator. How about the 2013/2014 videogame?
>>98826831Its a /tg/ created skin for a freeware copy called Alien Assault. I play it regularly and mod in my own missions from a huge bible of all the collected space hulk missions from 3rd edition.
>>98826209The base game private objectives give you points based on the number of pips on dice of your color so the game sometimes devolves to people just hate-drafting 5s and 6s.
>>98826845Thats nice.
>>98826709dRaFtInG iSn"t InTeRaCtIoNNevermind that worker placement is a form of drafting.
>>98826937Are any expansions of it good? I find it pretty. I like dice because it hits that part of the gambling/loot/high roll part of my brain. To me it seems like a not stale version of azul since I've played my share of azul and I never like games where someone can just trigger the end of the game on their terms.
Is galaxy trucker as good as pre-fuckedQuinns says it is?
>>98827425It's pretty unique and I respect the design. I still sold it because it kinda fell flat after 2-3 games. If you are at least somewhat competent in boardgames it holds little challenge and isn't nearly as chaotic as you are lead to believe. Check the cards, see if you wanna go fast or not and what the highest weapon strength you need is, plan accordingly. Suddenly there are far fewer holy shit WHAT moments, and the game is kinda built around that; a random tiny asteroid breaking off half your ship, you stranding in space without propulsion, pirates taking all your crew etc. the game is suprisingly skillbased, but with that come less and less failstates, and the game really needs everyone to fail a bit to be fun. What remains is both too mechanically weak to carry the game yet not swingy and insane enough to be a full on gambling-adjacent game.
>>98827261I haven't played any of the expansions but I do use the replacement private objectives from the 5-6 player expansion since they don't require any new pieces,
I recommend someone bakes a new thread or I WILL create one useing the goban pic yet again when the kids are asleep
>>98827062>dRaFtInG iSn"t InTeRaCtIoNIt is, but it's the lowest form of interaction there is. Doesn't save a game from being MPS.While technically WP is a form of drafting, it's not what people refer to generally. WP usually has a high level of predictability/repeatability in a shared board space. So (in a good game) there is more explicit consideration of what the other players are doing.Blind drafting is especially odious. Sorry not sorry Inis, it's an action randomisation mechanism and not interaction in any form except accidentally touching your fellow autist's hand while passing the cards.Anyway, auctions are where it's at.
The sort of retard that looks at azul and claims it's multiplayer solitaire
>>98827702Do it!
>>98812455>>98813551>>98813842Dune 2019, War for Arrakis and Dune Imperium are well known, but what about lesser talked games like Dune Conquest/Movie Dune, Arrakis Dawn of Fremen, Risk Dune? my assumption is that those games are either shit/mediocre and thus never talked about, or main Big Dune games are so good, they make those lesser games inconsequential? My good friend who collects board games said something like: if you have 6 people, play 2019 Dune, if you have four either play movie dune or dune imperium/uprising, if you have 6+ you can either try playing dune 2019 with some different setup and treat shield wall as town after 5/6 turns or play dune betrayal if group is into light/social deduction games. if you have 2 players, play either movie dune or dune war for arrakis. he said that Risk Dune is shit and Dune dawn of fremen also shit/based on some old obscure game that didn't aged good or something like that
>>98828229>movie dunemovie dune fucking sucks
Seems like the vote for the next game to be played in my local game group will be Viticulture with 5 people. I guess it's the price to pay if I want to continue to have people to play with.Anyways, the store has all the expansions and extras available. What's the absolute best way to play this so it's enjoyable and hopefully quick?>Board: Base/Tuscany/Bordeaux>Visitors: Base/Moors/Rhine>House rules if any (although I doubt people will want to enact house rules when there's first-timers at the table)
new>>98828320>>98828320Damn you lazy fuckers, I'm beginning to think people don't even know how to make threads anymore>>98828320>>98828320new
>>98827886You know it's not because of the drafting part that Inis is highly interactive right?
