The Incredible Bulk EditionPrevious: >>98781917>Newshttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-banned-and-restricted-february-9-2026https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-february-9-2026>Current Banlisthttps://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned>Bracket Informationhttps://files.catbox.moe/4tbvzw.pnghttps://files.catbox.moe/r62yfy.png>Former Commander Website: Learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committeehttps://mtgcommander.net>Card Searchhttps://scryfall.com>Card Statistics: See what everyone else puts in their Commander decks based on what is posted to the Internethttps://www.edhrec.com>Deck List Sites: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choiceshttps://www.archidekt.comhttps://www.moxfield.com>Manabase Information: Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identityhttps://managathering.com>Proxy Guidehttps://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM>Preconshttps://magicprecons.comTQ: when was the last time you found something really good in your bulk collection?
>TQI found a jitte a few months ago. I think a friend traded it to me for paying for his kfc. A real shame he trooned out, we’ve lost touch now.
>>98788616bad decisions then, bad decisions now
>>98788616>A real shame he trooned outdamn sorry for your loss
How can I make a stax deck where only my opponents eat shit from it, and I don't suffer?Stax for thee but not for me type deck
>>98788632>Stax in edhDo you want everyone to target you?
>>98788632rule of law and don't cast spells
>>98788647The winning move is to prevent your opponents from playing, it's the same as any competitive game. There's a reason fighting games rely on oki and not letting your opponent do anything, same as commander, same as standard et al
>>98788632Depends on what powerlevel your group plays. If it's just bracket 2 you don't need to play stax and you're gonna want to build black green Nemata fleshbag marauder tribal. Every bracket 2 deck folds to Attrition and other repeatable removal.
>>98788711>groupI don't have a group, I just roll up to the LGS
>>98788632You run asymmetrical effects, what the hell else do you need explained?You're going to suffer anyways because pure stax is archenemy material before you even shuffle up. Either they'll have the interaction to smash you flat and they will do so as soon as they can, or they don't and they won't play with you a second time because they think either you pulled a fast one on them or that you're just an asshole.As archetypes go, Stax is one that I think if you can't put it together yourself you don't deserve to even try it.>"Haha, but guys I just want to slow the game to a crawl and make sure nobody can do anything that's a win con right?"No, fuck off; if you can't describe the deck any other way you have no business touching these kinds of cards much less playing them. Figure out the way you win, figure out your colors, tell me a commander, if you can't do any of this you should stop being an asshole to your friends and play a fucking precon until you're old enough to eat solid food.
vrenn vs nemata who wins in a fight?
>>98788722Then I regret to inform you you're playing edh wrong.
>>98788632>Stax for thee but not for mewotc is too afraid to make more elesh norns unfortunately
>>98788722Then I'm happy to inform you that you're playing edh correctly.
Why is EDH treated as dome completely separate crazy thing from the rest of Magic? It's literally just the evolution of how I always played. My sister taught my siblings and me Magic when I was 6, and we usually played 4-6 player 60 card 4 of with 20 life. Edh is just that, but more balanced.
>>98788741sheldon created a lot of long-term damageamong them was his rule zero, which naturally every tom dick and harry would have their own idea of what would make a good edh game, so people were incentivized to live in their bubble basements while at the same time giving their hot takes online
Pulled this guy along with a good chunk of the . Should I build a deck for him? Don't have a gruul deck, never considered artefacts in those colors. Should I just find a Bello precon to start off from?I'm hoping for some fun ideas from veterans before I end up on edhrec.
Who is Sheldon?
>>98788753a dead person
>good chunk of the .
>>98788749>Pulled this guy along with a good chunk of the>high value cards from the base boosters. Considering trading them on for stuff I can use. Christ, idk what happened there.
>>98788741here's how I imagine your sister
>>98788726Get staxed idiot
>>98788727I like nemata more because you get your tokens instantly. Makes it easier to obliterate the table with grave pact and such.
>>98788760>bare midriffonly UBchads can dare show such a thing
>>98788763Unfortunately I run interaction. I have very little to fear from a Stax deck put together by someone who needs help figuring out Stax.
>>98788767They deliberately sized it so only the minimum was showing right
>>98788767it was the 90s
>>98788775UW is maximum chungus for comparison
>>98788785what went wrong
>>98788780we should go back there
>>98788789>>98788785I don't get how supposed fans only care about the mechanics and not the art downgradeSame as them saying they don't care about Universe Beyond, only the mechanics
>>98788800'i love the game for the mechanics' players and chuds are far more likely to be pro UB
>>98788809she cute :)
>>98788732Because:>Asymmetrical stax needs to cost more than symmetrical stax>A card that costs less mana will almost always be better than one that costs more>This is especially true for any stax piece you can build around unless it's for something completely retarded like "Your opponents can't cast spells"
>>98788809I don't get this though, is it a hardcore form of sunken cost? Surely part of the appeal was the interesting and unique world Magic built, beyond mechanics
>>98788815asymmetrical boardwipes are everywhere now, there's really no excuse for the lack of asymmetrical stax pieces other than the idea that 'people in their basements can't actually police their own play experiences like they claim they can'
>>98788822Notice how that card is 7 mana (the average symmetrical boardwipe is 4).
>>98788816>the interesting and unique world Magic builtdon't confuse vistas and memberberries with good characters and good stories, otherwise you're no different from star wars fags
>>98788827I mean it wasn't always great, and did have issues, but there's definitely a difference between some retarded story involving Chandra or whatever, and Spongebob vs Sephiroth
>>98788826>we can't print 7 mana asymmetrical stax pieces because they'll break the game somehow
>>98788828>there's definitely a difference between some retarded story involving Chandra or whatever, and Spongebob vs Sephirothhow so, other than chandra vs whoever is from renton wa? are we supposed to give stories a pass because they came from the greater seattle area?
>>98788829Nothing's stopping them aside from the fact most people wouldn't play them because they would both suck doodoo butt cheeks (7 mana) and most people aren't looking for a stax piece as their bomb. It wouldn't be imbalanced but I suspect R&D views it as something that would have limited positive contribution to the game.
>>98788838did you know that praetors are stax bombs and they even got some people irrationally pissing their pants?
>>98788846but you can get this nigga on the field turn 2-4 with natural order or reanimate effects
>>98788856and you can get this guy on the battlefield T1, your point?
>>98788846and what's the point you're making? All this does is illustrate my point that they don't particularly unbalance the game and R&D doesn't see it as unprintable design, just one that there isn't much demand for because most players aren't interested in playing stax.
>>98788834>how is an in-universe story different to a completely different IP barging inAnon you must be a mono-red goblin player
>>98788858>most players aren't interested in playing stax.>because people in their basements can't actually police their own play experiences like they claim they canyes i know
>>98788860No I meant people building their decks aren't aiming to play stax pieces themselves, although that's also correct that most players do not want lock pieces to be the top-end finishers when they go to their LGS.
>>98788859>we don't like other IPs barging in>except when it's hotwheels or cluedo or pacific rim or wakanda or whatever, then we're ok with it
>>98788865>posts set after UB, hasbro buyout, banning cards, etc etc
>>98788863>I meant people building their decks aren't aiming to play stax pieces themselves
>>98788846So why is this OK but Winter Orb is hated?>because it's a le heckin 8 mana creature8 mana in green is 2 mana in real colours>because you can heckin doomblade etc itProtection
>>98788873There's a reason it was moved to the GC list anon. Hell, you can look at Farewell as an example of a card that was moved there because Timmy found it unfun, not because it was actually in the same league as good cards.
>>98788875vorinclex is ok because he doesn't cut your own wrists like a retard and prolong your opponent's agony
>nooo you can't just stop me from playing>oh but heliod walking ballista is fine :)
>>98788877>it's a GC so it doesn't count
>>98788872>note how he actually doesn't deny that he's lapping up aetherdrift and co.
>>98788865I have no issue with this art. Your move.
>>98788890Obviously no one likes Aetherdrift and subsequent garbage
>>98788865>cluedodetected
>>98788846This is a B4 card btw
Reddit will say Transit Mage is bad, rightly so, yet have no issue with shit like Faithless Looting or Birgi
>>98788898Both of those are fine. Could be worse. Could be modern Rebecca gay
>>98788879I want my opponents to suffer miserably, I want them to regret ever starting to play, I want them to leave the store questioning the reason why they even play this game. Decks for this feel?
>>98788893>but I like it when magic rips off of public domain, because nothing screams strong IP like always rehashing stories made by chud civilizations
Is this a genuine employee or something? Is it MaRo? Am I being gaslit? How is the concept of "flawed but original property is different to Tifa fighting Optimus" difficult to understand?
>>98788897>what is my definition of mld again, anon?
>>98788911>IP, not from renton wa? i sleep>IP, but from renton wa? real shit
I play a forest, tap it, then play Llanowar Elves, tap it, then play Elvish MysticYou're going to call a judge on me for cheating? Not so fast, calling a judge on me is the exact same thing as assault on a transfolxCheckmate
>>98788891we know, tranny
>>98788925This is what 90% of my LGS looks likeVaultgames can suck my dick
>>98788929sorry that they put the ham in your harmony
what the FUCK is this chud bullshit?
>>98788887Then what exactly are you complaining about?
>>98788925Is this a joke card? What the fuck??? They really are pushing UB with this fat tranny shit.
Please tell me Bontu is a good commander/deck, he's so cool.
>>98788941>>98788822
I really don't care what art is on a card
How did Braids get corrupted?
>>98788947For me it's this cum dumpster.
>>98788955wotc has the perfect product for you
>>98788598Today I bought a Dungeon Descent and Dungeon of the Mad Mage for like 50 cents at my LGS also a Mardu Devotee and a Glorifier of Suffering I didn't really need them, but they look fun
>>98788953>Says there's a lack of asymmetrical stax pieces>Keeps posting asymmetrical stax pieces
What's up with LARPers saying they're heckin old school by incorrectly tapping 45 degrees? Even when I was a retarded kid I was tapping 90
>>98788983>Says there's a lack of asymmetrical stax bears that hit players while staxxing themcorrect, which was the point i was making to >>98788632 if you bothered to backread
>>98788995the old tap sign was tilted 45 degrees, that's why
>>98789005You literally got another Elesh Norn in MOM so I'm not sure exactly why you're complaining that every set doesn't have one when they can barely be assed to put a full boardwipe in every set.
Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)
>>98789012it took this long for wotc to make a creature that's an inferior version of grand arbiter
>>98789021How?
>>98789021Duel Commander is objectively superior to 1v1v1v1
Grolnok frog tribal gigachad.tiff
>>98789053>Grr why does the asymmetrical stax piece cost more mana than the symmetrical one?
>>98789248i just want more of them; where did i say that they should cost less?you're having a hard time tonight
>>98789310The takeaway I'm getting from this is you're asking why WotC isn't printing asymmetrical stax pieces while at the same time posting recent asymmetrical stax pieces.My diagnosis: Meds.
>>98789319>why WotC isn't printing more asymmetrical stax creature pieces?!the only diagnosis here is that you can't read
>>98789325>Ugh, why isn't MY gimmick getting all the set space?
>>98789352yes it's such an injustice, isn't it?cest la vie
>tfw just want to slam down big guys for you and turn them sideways>creature decks, especially large creature decks, are too slow to be viable
>>98789376Not if you play green and cheat them out.
Does this fit as an in-universe reskin?
>>98789376Hardcasting large men is for suckers. Play Lurking Predators and let your opponents do the work.
>>98789389rowan could show more skin that's for sure
>>98789389Magic players completely buckbroken by UB gigachads getting all the fun designs while UW is getting the 500th generic tribal support card because UW players are too stupid to handle decks other than "I play new elf!"
What's a deck that's both strong and viable but also poorfag friendly? Surely mono-red?
>>98789416
>>98789416You could buy GTA6 for 80$, or make a Winota deck at that same price point that will absolutely shitstomp B2 and 3 pods.
>>98789421>8/7 with vigilance for 6God the power creep of this game is fucking ridicolous>Vigilance but not trampel on a mono green creatureJesus christ!>Hydra spells 4 cost less4?! What the fuck it wasn't good enough already?!>Fight ability on ANY CREATUREI'm done, I'm fucking done. I'm sure it wasn't even played in standard because it costs too much. This game is so fucking fucked compared to early mtg when I was a kid. Fuck WoTC, fucking retards.
>>98789416Elfball
>>98789428>old man yells at cloud
These white bordered mb2 cards are absolutely hideous but they certainly look unique. I wonder if they will make more of them
>>98789516There was a time where this card was called Superman because of how good it was. For decades they avoided power creep. But here we are with a fucking 8/7 with countless upsides for 6 mana. Questing Beast was the first time I read something and had to do a double take on how fucked it was.
Is there any way to play pic related without everyone hating you?
>>98788947He is, Bontu has a pretty awesome combo that involves looping himself infinitely using his first & second abilities
>>98789568Oh hello LARPer! Sorry that the sorceries stopped being 0-mana cards that drew 7 and the creatures started having real text on them so you actually want to run more than one in your whole deck.
>>98789389No, it's black
>>98789533I personally like them. They're like a modern version of revised cards.
I fucking hate white border cards. The only positive is they're cheaper.
>>98788753The Bazinga guy.
>>98788809My wife...
>>98788741>Why is EDH treated as dome completely separate crazy thing from the rest of Magic? Because 100 card singleton evergreen 4 player with an entirely new zone is near the extreme of how complicated you can make the game. Any hiccups or nuances that show up in other formats are exponentiated.
>>98789662does this synergise with Modular doubling the counter when they move on death?
>>98789416Deathtouch. Has tons of great support that's under $1-3, you can fill it with penny card creatures that will become massive bombs quickly, the manabase is dirt cheap especially because your average cmc will be 2.xx, and the only (comparatively) expensive cards you'll need are some recursion most of which are well under $10.
>>98789687No, you can pick her move ability, or you can pick it's move ability. They don't stack like that.
>>98789687Yes because Yuna doesn't move the counters herself, she just makes new ones. That's why she works with the Ozolith but Arcbound Ravager wouldn't, because the Ozolith and AR explicitly just move those counters, they don't create new ones.
>>98789389Isn't that Syr Gwyn? Are the Syr things like titles that replace your name or something?
Do you really need the little nickname bar if you always just say that the card's name actually is whenever you play it?
>>98789631isn't rowan rakdos?
>>98789730>That's why she works with the Ozolith but Arcbound Ravager wouldn'tBut Modular does work with the Ozolith though.
>>98789767Nevermind, they just look similar
>>98789774Only after disagreeing with Will and going their seperate ways. Will also gained white from this
>>98789424Goyslop and generic leapfrog?! YUMMERS!!!
>mtg
>>98789687Not doubling, per say, but in essence it does. When a modular creature dies, both it & Yuna put triggers on the stack, which each individually put a number of counters onto another creature equal to the number of counters on the modular creature (which in some cases can even be better than a plain doubler, for example a card that rewards one or more counters being placed triggering twice instead of just once)>>98789730AR & modular spells in general work with Ozolith, the reminder text is just really misleading (“When this permanent is put into a graveyard from the battlefield, you may put a +1/+1 counter on target artifact creature for each +1/+1 counter on this permanent.", 702.43a)
>>98789768Yes. Also, Tin Street is a place, so it should be Tin Street Streetwalker. No, I don't care about your shitty attempt at wordplay.
>>98789958Tin Street Walker is about as far as I'll go.
>>98789768Just place it somewhere on the card that's visible.The black border where they normally keep the artist information or next to the power and toughness meets the criteria at the minimum.
>>98789768You really need to kill yourself
>>98790053Need is a strong word but I also think it would be for the best if he did.
>>98789533>I wonder if they will make more of themthey wont. no reprint of them in the new mystery booster product.I think they are fun and went the white border route for my modern izzet prowess deck.
>>98789416you don't need any of the pricey goblins, just go wide and spam combat tricks and card draw
>>98790174All the good go wide goblins are expensive tho
>>98789416any simic landfall
>friend posts decklist in chat>others comment hey cool list>check list>zero interaction, everything is dedicated to the game plan
>>98789966Post updated version?
>>98790180nahmogg war marshal / goblin instigator / krenko's command / dragon fodder / hordeling outburst / battle cry goblin / legion warboss / squee dubious monarch / goblin rabblemaster / beetleback chief / redcap gutter dweller / goblin gang leader are all less than a dollar, and you can just do generic red go wide if you don't care for goblin anthems
>>98790248Did you tell them that Ichiban?
>>98789768you really need to keep living
>>98790494Replying to yourself is shameful
>>98790554you need to keep living too anonlife finds a way
>>98790275Please no
>>98790248>interactionThat's rude. Anyway I cast Mrs. Interaction.
What do you guys think of TableCommander?
>>98790275Sure, and more!>>98790609Spoiled it just for you anon.
>>98790724Playing commander online with randos sounds supremely gay. It is a fun with friends format ok.
>>98790774second one is best
>>98790821If I had friends to play Commander with, I wouldn't play online in the first place
>>98790724I just play at my LGS with friends and/or regulars.
>>98789768Yes, it's good to have it there for reference. I only ever refer to the card but what it's original name is and practically everyone I've seen does similarly. Even when someone is running a reskin with whatever name it's good to see what the original is easily.
>>98790849Human coming to fuck her is the best
>>98790248It's a start at least. He can get his game plan pile and then work from there cutting superfluous cards for interaction and the like.
>>98788598got a gaea's blessing from bulk last week
>>98789533i think the tiny black text on the bottom and the rounded edges on the bottom ruins them
>>98790878I'd say attend a couple of commander nights at your lgs to worm your way into established playgroups or figure out which players are somewhat proper human beings and try to get a playgroup going with them.
>>98790919>>98791067I was at my Lgs today >>98788974they're all about ygo and pokemon nao, only other edh player there was a Student otw to his lectures
If I went out of my way to find every single Arena card that works perfectly functional in paper, printed copies for every one in the playgroup, would you let me use them?
>>98788749He's pretty fun, I built him since he was the goat of my prerelease and got me 1st placeI like how he pays for his own commander tax so you can always bring him back whilst continuing to ramp.However a big weakness I discovered with him is that his flying often is not enough evasion to break through other decks with fliers such as angels, you definitely wanna add other sources of evasion to your deck such as rogues passage, reaver cleaver, etc
>>98791080Insane. Do you live in a third world country or something?
>>98788598>TQ: when was the last time you found something really good in your bulk collection?Years and years ago, a friend gave me all of his uncommons and commons, and deep in the pile I found Lightning Greaves and Mother of Runes.This was long before they became EDH staples or EDH even existed, and a turn one Mom or turn two Greaves was often the play that decided the game.I feel a bit bad, because after more than twenty years of running Greaves, I’ve swapped it out for Swiftfoot on account of it working better in voltron scenarios, I can frequently ignore the equip cost, and the deck just doesn’t have room for both pairs of footwear (i've got enough equipment tutors that I'm better off with a more versatile set).
>>98790248I'd argue that depending on the gameplan, that's not bad. If you're spending more time on removal than accelerating your plan, you're really just giving other people time to catch up.
>>98791131Give me my cards back Chris. Also, did you move out of your mom's basement and get a job ever?
>>98788598>TQ: when was the last time you found something really good in your bulk collection?Not mine, but pre-covid my LGS used to have a bulk box. I loved flipping through that shit with my friend at the end of each night. At some point Squandered Resources spiked, and it occurred to us there were at least three in the box. So we bought them all for $2.
I think I hate playing magic with my friend. He has just been speedrunning whatever he can find for bullshit decks. Last week it was bracket 4 tergrid, now it's b4 tifa. I'm getting pretty tired of this.
>enjoying quipsandguac>notice how every video has some rant about capitalism>despite shilling his patreon and him not working a real job, but whatever>keep watching>one video has him shill for a tranny charityDamn, are there any actually good mtg youtubers?
>>98791089What happens if someone casts this for free or a copy of this spell? What does X become if it can't be zero?
>>98791256>Friends want to start playing magic>Just B2 >Agree and buy a precon>1 month in>tutor tutor tefiri's protection tutor from friend 1>2 card combo kill you turn 4 from friend 2>hundreds of dollars spent ordering the most powerful cards they can findActually had to tell them I was going to quit playing and we finally agreed on bracket 3 those retards got out of control quick
This always happens with friends and competitive games, especially unemployed friends.
>>98791311He's been like this since we introduced him to magic. First we started out playing vint basically in 60 card. The very first deck he made himself was slivers. When we moved to commander he made a grishath mega ramp deck, mothman, and now tergrid and tifa.
>making the collector boosters shittier next yearLmao those things are already 40 dollars a pop what the fuck?
>>98791377at my store they're going for $60+ at another store i haven't seen any on the shelf in over a year.
>>98791377They know people will buy them out all the same. At my locals collecters packs never last the weekend they get stocked. They sell out without fail.
>>98791284>Casts this for freeSpell wiffs, literally can't be zero>Or a CopyThe copy is the original X, which can't be zero.
>>98791284To copy the spell, it has to be on the stack, so it has a non-zero X which will also be copied. It cannot be cast for free, so those effects fizzle.
Realistically, how do I win in mono U that's not oracle/labman/Jace? I like the aesthetics but I'm kinda lost
>>98791552Do you prefer proliferating or upkeeps?
>>98791552sphinx boner wandpsychosis crawlerTriskaidekaphileInfinite mana + any outletmy personal favorite mono blue wincon is Phyrexian Processor
>>98791563Proliferating but I'm open to anything
>>98791552Pick one.
Are there any draw-out wincons (like LabMan or Thoracle) that aren't blue?
>>98791581Prologue to Phyresis and nine proliferates to poison kill in mono-u"Both" answer is Darksteel ReactorAlso Lux Artillery is fun
>>98791616
>>98791616no, those mistakes were limited to bluethough if you squint, mortal combat is like one in black
>>98791622>UBThanks, but.... ew
>>98791577>mono blue wincon is Phyrexian Processorhow much do you usually pay? like 10?
>>98791622Having some synergy with Doomsday is neat.The ruling clarification feels a bit counter-intuitive though.
>draw engine and win condition in the command zone>combos off with the top and can take advantage of all the busted 0-drop artifacts>nobody wants his precon >rank #742 in popularity What went wrong with this nigga?
>>98791686Foundations precons are just reusing old legendsNothing interesting here
>>98791699Hey man fuck you, you're the one who's not interesting >:(
>>98791686shoutout to the last time i saw this guy where the player insisted there were no infinites and then slapped down a KCI and Clock of Omens. don't know if they were just playing stupid or were genuinely retarded but i had to walk them through the line they had on board. The Mishra's Workshop on turn 2 has me inclined to believe they were full of shit.
>>98791311Just proxy a cedh list, every edh player should have one by now
Traded in a surge Sauron so that I could finally do some justice for the 2 decks that got me back into this money pit hobby. Wish I had pulled the trigger in surge Terra before the price exploded
>>98791732>CEDH listWhich is basically just proxy all the fast mana rocks and free spells.
>>98789389Needs the nickname shit at the top.
>>98789768Yes. You shouldn't be changing any aspect of how a card looks. You also shouldn't have the art going through the name. Real cards don't do that. Same with your text box.
>>98791768>Real cards don't do that. Same with your text box.This isn't the first time they've done this either.
>>98791768>real cards dont do thatUnlike other proxyfags, goblin anon makes no claim that his is real
I miss these threads from like 2 or 3 years ago. So much nicer.
>>98791625Why do you retards do this shit?
>>98791817its cool to hate ub and i want to look cool
>>98791725damn gottem
>>98791498How enshitified does the collector booster have to get before the piggies stop buying? I remember when they were first introduced they were 16 dollars
>>98791817Universes Beyond is ghey
>>98791829In no universe is hating UB cool. It makes you look like a dumbass manchild.
>>98791803I'm tired of this fucking community. It's nonstop fucking whining and they never try to fix any of the issues they bitch about. Everyone's playing an unsanctioned joke format. They have infinite power to warp it any way they want and instead they choose to cry like babies on social media all the time. It's like this game is filled with LARPers obsessed with the idea of the game but they can't articulate what they like about it to save their lives.
>>98791126Yes, Germany
>>98791865You're gonna tell me we have an entire sister thread of nothing but dumbass whiny manchildern?! No sir, that simply CAN'T be possible.
>>98791855The problem is you ask for advice while having a giant criteria that you didn't mention. It comes across as shit posting.>GUYS GIVE ME A GOOD MONO COLOR TOKEN DECK>:Krenko?">EW NO REDWhy the fuck didn't you say that?
>>98791868The issue is the thread specifically. Not the game.
Am I missing some super secret land untapping technology in mono red or is it just Candelabra?
>>98791868It's almost like every retard has an opinion but instead of exercising authority sheldon decided to leave it to the people to govern their own pods as if the retards are even capable of doing that
>>98791879That gay hugbox is not a sister thread no matter how much the pissbaby OP who made it wishes it was.
>>98791868>but they can't articulate what they like about it to save their lives.Making a deck from your collection, that is both a mechanical display of skill along with actual just creativity and matching that against other people's expression isn't a good enough reason to like it?Not a fan of UB mind. Not that I really hate it as a concept, they are just doing too much of it, and I'd rather them just go back to blocks. Release the first 2 stages of a block, do a UB or a one off hat set, then finish the block and do another UB or one off and repeat.If they made a barbie card, that worked really well in my deck, I'd buy a single of it and use it. but I wish I didn't have to, but it is what it is.
>>98791868Your complaint IS the result of everyone choosing to play their own sub game
>>98788598Daily reminDER
>>98791949Only other thing that comes to mind is mycosynth lattice and unwinding clock
>>98791732The problem with CEDH is two fold:1) Decks start to look the same. When people can only play staples to even participate, the card pool becomes stale.2) Rule -1. If a person spends more time shuffling than they spend even playing the game, then it isn't worth the time and investment to even start.
>>98792008There's no accounting for taste but the point i was making is that bringing a cedh deck is the edh equivalent of self-defense
Recently added pic related on my Kellan clue/thopter simic deck.Neven ran out of answers until someone played a hay hydra with blue protection and fucked me in the ass.
>>98789416Either GB deathtouch, Monogreen Deathtouch infect, Simic Clues or Boros tokens.Pic related is my deck using cards that literally cost from cents to a couple of dollars. I think the most expensive card in my deck is the double face zendikar land
>>98791802maybe he should, as in, just by bootlegs like a normal rational person
>>98792067general ferrero rocher
>>98792067>creatures with "draw a card but only once per turn"i really hate this shitexplain how the fuck do you win with that trash?
My friends play with our lands in a seperate library with full 99 decks of just spells. Each turn you can draw both a spell and a land so you never miss a land drop. It's improved the game immeasurably.
>>98792097it actually hasn't but I'm glad you're having fun
>>98792073>you have a capable printer>no actually you should buy fakes from dog-eating changs instead
>>98792085is it really hard to understand?>cast creatures and commander>go wide with 4/4 golems>protect commander and army with spells>go face with spells that make my creatures unblockable>win
>>98792106Yeah, but he pushes his pedophilic agenda on everyone else instead
>>98791752Very gender affirming, sis.
>>98792123If you see goblins as children, that's on you, most of the world does not.
Remember, anyone that says FF is a bad set is a smelly shitskin
>>98791686somehow the price of his precon has increased in price
>>98792163that's because of scalpersthe white precon can't be found anywhere while the other precons are over 40$
>>98792308>be spaniard>check amazon>somehow the blue one is more expensive than the black preconthe fuck is happening? i thought the black one had good reprints
>>98791803More like 7-8 yearsAside from a few tripcodes the threads tended to be productiveAnd heated arguments weren't just ragebaiting
>>98791817Edh is a format for making cool decksUB isn't cool
Wild Cantor But WB {W/B}Creature - Thrull ClericSac: Add W or B.1/1
>>98791993>until end of turn>unwinding clocklol
>>98791949If it exists it might involve animating lands Red has more than few ways of untapping creaturesMaybe with that lithomancer x spell you can get a bunch of mana cause it doesn't give the lands the ability, it's a player ability
>>98792153t. Muhammad
>>98792097just play riftbound
>>98792018It sounds like you're just playing a game that you don't enjoy playing at that point.
>Magic just unionizedEnjoy never getting random cool japanese art after the ones already pre-produced by now run out!Only western calislop artists for you!
>>98792123>those tits>pedophilicFuck off, Jason Schreier.
>>98792533this isn't the arena thread
>>98792540""""""shortstacks""""" are just part of the pedo pipeline
>>98792561What does arena have to do with this
>>98792566functioning human sexuality is part of the pedo pipeline RUH OH better cut off your dick
>>98792566Good grief.
>>98792566>If anyone is interested in a woman 18+ who's short they're a pedoThose poor smoll women, forever stuck with pedos.
>>98792570it's the digital team that unionized
>PLAY MORE OLDSCHOOL FOILSIt makes your deck look better, and looking cool is half the battle.
>>98792620>Silklash spiderSuch a classic. I should add it back to my Multani deck. I took out the spider and tornado elemental.
>Don't Be That Guy {1}>Enchantment>Players can't concede if it's not their turn.Has anyone experienced spite scoopers recently?
>>98792628Only when I'm playing a theft deck.
>>98792627It's been slightly power crept, where back in the day it could on curve stop the prevalence of 6/6 flyers, but the mana sync potentially one-sided board wipe is still game changing. Any mono-green deck needs a few answers for flyers, and this is still my favorite.
>>98792533>Nooooooooo they're suddenly going to stop printing chase anime art for whales that routinely hit the top of the price lists in every set because [incoherent reasoning]!!That's dumb. You're dumb. They've doubled down on them after they tasted that sweet easy anime money.
>>98792620>>98792645this will see play again once wishboards are implemented
Has anyone here ever bought custom playmats from aliexpress? I was thinking of getting one for myself and the reviews on this look alright https://aliexpress.com/item/1005009346867016.html
>he pays his own mana to deal with flyersngmi
>>98792645Unless you're playing a CEDH netdeck that wins turn 3-4 everything is just different shades of casual.
>>98792677>his CEDH deck doesn't win turn 1ngmi
>>98792671fun fact: this 4-armed freak has just one creature type, Monger
>>98792677I build my decks to win turns 8-12 with heavy interaction. Godhands with no interaction to win turn 4-6. I just like Battlecruiser. Simple as.
>>98792671*prio bullies you*Activate it, Jeremy!
>>98792533Holy shit they weren't already? I can't imagine the amount of slack that's going to give them, they already had so much
>>98792613Its both
>>98792613No that was months ago, MtG in general unionized a few hours ago.This game is actually fucked now
>>98792651Well that doesn't really matter now that they're infested by a union, one of the main purposes of unions is locking out non-union workers and basically all the japanese artists for MtG were guest contractors.
>>98792681I don't play CEDH the name itself is an oxymoron>>98792703Yeah I'm pretty much the same. I aim for bracket 3 with 3 gamechangers.
Should i use this on Y'shtola b3? or is it a wasted slot?
>>98792727>is a land a wasted slot
>>98792727I mean it doesn't have any real synergy with her at all but it's B3 so you can afford a few pet cards generally
>>98792596Have you ever done one for krenko?You mustve surely
>>98792163>>98792317Burgerbros win again
>>98792724So are most of their europeon artists which create a huge chunk of every set's art. This game's pipeline collapses without guest contractor artists unless they slopgen everything.
The corp will find a way to bust any union. MtG is a fake job, AI can do it at this point just as or better than the current staff and there's thousands of losers who would jump at the chance to work at wotc for minimum wage or less.
I'd love to see the union's demands.
>>98792781>there's thousands of losers who would jump at the chance to work at wotc for minimum wage or lessor wotc will just hire third worlderseither way, this union won't go the way commies think
>>98792736it still cost more than it shouldthe shittiests of the precons
>TQFound a Solitude in my MH2 box. It was way cheaper than Fury and Grief when they first came out, now it's $40 and they are both less than $10.
>>98792781did i miss something? what happened in wotc lately?
Why isn't this dude more expensive? Isn't a Teferi's Ageless Insight glued to Anointed Procession kind of a slam dunk in EDH?
>>98792816All it needs is a few 0 mana artifacts and sensei's top and it starts goin hard
>>98792837It's a six mana creature. Like and subscribe for more sick MTG tips and combos
>>987928376 mana do nothing
>>98792837>6 mana>body without any protection keywords
>>98792837>6 mana understated creature with no immediate value>his main selling point are replacement effects that need other cards to be worth anything
>>98792848>>98792852>>98792860I mean, sure, but so is Doubling Season, right?
>>98792865for comparison doubling season at least allows you to just win the game immediately with pw ults
>>98792735It was one if the first ones I did, but I did just redo it.
>>98792837Ub
>>98792870Sure, but Anointed Procession and Parallel lives don't and they are both over $30 right now
>>98792898they also only cost 4 manaking of dale will steadily increase as it's a UB card though
>>98792733>no synergy>gives her a proc>counts as a land>destroys rhysticHow the fuck is that not synergy?
>>98792865Doubling Season is also in Green, where tokens matter. Maybe Bant tokens wants him but there are lots of better doublers already in the game. The extra card draw isn't worth the wait for 6 mana.
>>98791768>real cards don't do that
>>98792837slept on, simple as. "6 mana do nothing" posts are just people assuming you naked cast it rather than have an engine for him to land on and amplify.
>>98792947They've done worse too.
>>98792935It doesn't proc her you retard, it's not a noncreature spell
>>98792950>you always have the engine online
>>98792950I put him in my Temmet deck and I'm having a good time.
>>98792954>>98792947Proxy makers and alter makers have been doing pop outs so much I'm surprised wotc doesn't do ot more given how popular it is.
>>98792984Popouts on normal treatment are reserved for planeswalkers
>>98792961yeah, usually
>>98792837>>98792865Creatures catch more removal from board wipes than enchantments. He's nice with Eowyn since being a creature triggers her ability.
Are you excited for at least 4 more Marvel sets?6 Marvel sets, by far the most intertwined IP with Magic ever. An inextricable, massive part of the game forever.
>>98793109If its more like marvel with a large variety of very good cards, yeah. Fine with it.If its more shit cards like spooderman, no, please don't.
>>98793109If they use the Marvel Rivals art for the X-Men set I could give a shit.
>>98793174Well you know they would never
Pretty bold of wotc to print a commander that says "If this creature enters, you win the game."Hopefully they ban this filth sooner rather than later
>>98793309>6-drop
>>987933096 mana mono-white commander that needs an entire deck built around this strategy, too strong to actually be built as as instant win in casual brackets and too fragile and telegraphed for competitive This thing will never be banned
>>98793316Plains, Mana Vault, LED, GGStax in case you need to stall
>>98793309Seems like you meant to post thassa's oracle but posted some bad white card instead.
>>98793324Cool. Tap Gemstone Caverns, Wash Away. Nice -7.
>>98793316we're in a format with thran dynamo why do you people say this shit
>>98793309Counterspell ;)
>>98793339Oh goodie you can play it on turn 5 instead of turn 6 I'm really scared.
>>98793320>too fragile and telegraphed for competitiveDack has already won multiple cedh tournaments tho. White has no shortage of ways to protect it's combo and slowing down opponents enough in case you don't draw your fast manaIt's broken as hell and will take over your casual tables since retards will argue that it's actually a 4 card combo
>>98793343>He thinks you can't ramp up to 4 easily before turn 4
>>98793346>Yeah bro I'm gonna open all my ramp and nobody will have a single piece of interaction man this card is so good
WTF BAN THIS SHIT
>>98793345So what, now that mono white his a viable commander it need to be banned because how dare mono white have a viable CEDH commander?
>>98793309My buddy said he wants to make a commander deck off this, and that's genuinely enough for me to realize it's probably broken.Because he has a terrible habit of building shit that he claims is "haha silly theme" but still wins on turn 4.
>>98793345>retards will argue that it's actually a 4 card combohence all that really matters in brackets is *what turn* you can go infinite/altwincon, not whatever pieces your combo is composed of
>>98793401>Bracket 3 says I can start winning on turn 6>dack is 6 mana>play a plains for 6 turns>???>Profit
>>98793411>Bracket 3 says I can start winning on turn 6that's with the expectation that it's not *likely* or that it's *inconsistent*, but of course there's no arguing that is unlikely/inconsistent enough; in fact gavin doubles down on t7 for b3 back in october and if you feel that sandbagging your combo is too much then that only proves it's not a good fit for the bracket
>>98793427Would it be any more satisfying if I just played stax pieces for 7 turns before bringing out dack?No matter which way you go about it. I am firmly of the opinion that dack is incredibly unhealthy and overpowered commander
I don't give a FUCK what CUNTS in cEDH are playing!
>>98793309crazy how these are the text-boxes non-blue decks need to win cedh tournaments
>>98793444combos are part of the game and having a combo from the command zone is unavoidableif you play a b3 pod and you see a white dack from across the table it's expected that you have removal/can kill him before he pulls off his telegraphed combo off t7, (or t9 in b2)that's just how these brackets are going to be played with a play to win mindset
>>98793454it's only 7 words more than thoracle
>>98793465blue still is leagues above other colors even if thassa's oracle was banned tomorrow. free stack interaction is too plentiful and good, flash speed is too plentiful and good. thoracle itself has several redundancies.
Blue does literally everything well, it is the color of counterspells, it has great removal and boardwipes, huge attacking threats, the best non-combat win conditions, the best card draw... you can argue that is is lacking in ramp and mana but those are easily remedied by all the OP artifacts we have access to.
>>98792697All the others got bullshit errata. Why was this not made a Spirit?
>>98793492it should be a mutant monger actually
>>98792871Why is she wearing heart pasties? Do you live in some savage 3rd world country that does not have topfree equality?
>>98793504ironically canadians live alongside savage third worlders
>>98793509Most of the country yes. We (Alberta) are having a referendum to send them all back where they belong.
>>98793504It's hilarious how women get all up in arms about this topless equality shit but whenever they have the right to walk around topless none of them actually do it
>>98793644https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tenWrVh5KDQ
>>98793349>This card is shit because it can be interacted withOkay...
>>98793655what's funny about fra dack is that if anyone's running infect or voltron and kills somebody first then you can't win the game anymore lol
>>98793309we already have godo/etali and those haven't been banned
>>98793655Yeah and the fact it costs 6 mana retard. Do you piss yourself every time Omniscience resolves?
>>98793309>6 drop in white
>>98793744Ok, and?
>>987937656 drop commander in white is unplayable as a build around.
>>98793765>Pay 6 mana to lose half your life when your opponent sacs a card to Deadly DisputeDo whitefags really?
how does dack even win by itself?you have enough flickerers to give your whole deck away to 3 players, sure but then when the next player swings the goaded creatures the next opponent just blocks, right? they have the same amount of shitty flickerers at least
>>98793823https://moxfield.com/decks/vGJ-QYkOiUmGCknsZyCKjw/primer
I play with my lands in the front because I like the idea of my creatures having to travel over my lands to attack.If anyone complains I just say my OCD requires my board to be like this (i dont have OCD) and they back off.
>>98793941Don't care. It's against the rules ever since the Dryad Arbor incident. Put them in the back.
I didn't realize dacky boy gave you the ETBs. Not bad.
>>98793871this only works in the rare case where I wouldn't flip preston last from the very bottom of my library every time without any flickerers on the same trigger. not consistent enough
>>98793945Dude why are you being so ableist? Just let him play how he wants, it's a casual game.
>>98793952there are 20 possible combinations of any 3 card flip of>felidar>preston>radiant solar>all-states stalker>fiend hunter>flickerwispthe primer highlights all 20 of them and they all end deterministically, fra dack is a telegraphed godo for mono white
>>98793961we don't let the mentally disabled do whatever they want over here
>>98793700ngl i'd love a 6 mana omniscience as my commander
>>98793961This is bowling. There are rules.
>>98793945No.
>>98793871>Deck has more garnets than protection piecesAmazing!
>>98793990
>>98793963the draw for turn makes it possible for me to draw an uneven amount of creatures for the last flipthis means I can flip only preston as my last creature and no way to flicker anythingall those 20 examples assume dack WILL flip to preston AND a flickerer at some point. this is not quaranteed if he is the very last creature of your deck with no others to flip
I only have B2 decks that are physically incapable of winning before turn 9, and I don't even try to win before then anyway because I like building up and go for the big explosive turn and my group still gets mad at them when they winIs it a me problem
>>98794057>he didn't read the primer, how embarrassing
>>98794063no it's your group that's the problem
>>98794057This cannot happen. You will flip both every time.
>>98794057r u dum?
>>98794078Good to knowI will keep stealing their shit (all lands) with Gonti and putting 20 charge counters on Darksteel reactor with Inspirit and feel good about it
>>98794063based
>>98794102nice, I do control to win slowly. stealing their indestructible creatures and whateverthefuck is always a good bit of fun when it's suddenly "unfair" as they lose to their own cards
>>98793949He'd be worthless otherwise.
>>98794118And I thought it was worthless
>>98794128Most of the commanders from this set are worthless because a huge chunk of them cost 4+ mana which is unplayable in 2026 as a commander build around.
>>98794111Stealing is so fun. 90% of the effects are a casino and the few that are targeted are either game ending or turn you into the clown. I understand why they don't like it much but really should make peace with losing cards. They hate mill effects too. To be fair they have been playing for less than a year, and I'm trying very hard to teach them to change how they see their cards, value interaction, accept defeats and try to win but it's an uphill battle when one of them likes "for everyone's deck to do their thing".
>>98794139white dack fayden isn't going to break cedh, but he and other combo commanders like belzenlok and aang at the crossroads prove that turn limits on infinites and altwincons is the correct way of interpreting brackets
>>98794144The best way to interpret brackets is to not use that shit.
>>98794142I once wanted removal for the greater good so I cast that card and asked if someone had removal on a creature. one said yeah and like the fool I was I just said sure hand it over and they gave me a card that had the removal on an adventure. it was a fun gag and I get why people frown upon theft if someone just yoinks cards with their filthy hands or something but I have never seen this happen irl. idk about mill but as a graveyard enjoyer I'm thrilled every time someone just mills me.
>>98794157guess i kill you turn 5 from the cz with no GCs then
>>98794144>white dack fayden isn't going to break cedh,I heard dack has already won multiple tournaments
>>98794170so did rog ishai, but familiarity with any deck breeds the appropriate contempt form the pod
>>98794168FoW
>>98794176i already took it away beforehand
>>98794105Just removed this from my deck bc I want to make at least 2+ copies for it to be rentable, but spending so much mana makes it so thats the only thing i cando for that turn. anyways ,by the turn i can cast 2+ copies the match is already in a critical point where I'd rather keep that mana for interaction or develop my game.I really want this card to be explosive, but it's mana expensive to make so many copies without wasting a turn
>>98794181>ETBFGthen PoNthen FoDStop this fantasy where you're going to pub stomp decks without brackets as if they can't be packing shit to fuck up your day. Like a simple free counter.
>>98794175>so did rog ishai, but familiarity with any deck breeds the appropriate contempt form the podI don't think there's a whole lot of 'extra hate' that other people in the pod can really do except hold up their countermagic against dack... which wont do squat when he has a trillion stax and silences at his disposal
>>98794189>oh no my commander got countered because i didn't draw my discard>guess i'll just him again since my deck is 70+ lands>have fun 'policing' me fren
>>98794189>his counters are all on the command zone
>>98794190>racing the dack player is impossible
doesn't "dies to removal" argument actually kinda mean that the card is good tho. if one needs removal for it then it's simply good enough so it needs to be removedso if I run only dies to removal (must remove) threats then what are you gonna do, cast your 5th removal on my 5th creature? yes? then what about the 2 other players that are also casting must remove threats. you simply cannot survive
>>98794205protip: being focused on might feel bad, but always remember that it's good to be the threat because that means you're strong
>>98794207exaactly. they fear me
>>98794197Counterpoint: most cedh pods are scared of losing to the turbo player so they blow their load stopping rogsi from doing their thing and then they end up not having anything left to stop dack
>>98794220you then lose to the 2nd fastest deck (ral) or the 10th blue farm you see or maybe even to the hot-or-cold deck (etali)i actually like dack, cedh is sloppy enough as it is
Will this work or will I never get to untap with MishraIs it a hated commander?
>>98794183false it's kino
>>98794223with a bit more land it'll work
>>98794235Is 37.5+6 mana rocks not enough?
>>98794247add 2 more lands
33 lands33 creatures33 others1 commander
>>98794255'kayTwo more lands
>>98794282should work more consistently now, and try to get blood crypt and co. asap too, mishra's not really a kill on sight commander, at least not compared to other commanders people could be running instead
>>98794170CEDH actually is rather slow to adapt to new strats.
>>98794257I don't need more.
>>98794296Cool thanks I'll invest in the manabaseI really like how this plays, and getting to copy both Mishra triggers with resonator or Lithoform is super funI was thinking of going for more of that but I don't think it's a good idea
>>98794320I look like and do this
When will wizards finally powercreep casual commander all star Armillary Sphere? Can they not get away with it because it would produce an unhealthy limited environment for whatever set it would be released in? Would finding 2 lands for 3 mana truly be that busted?
>>98794367No one uses this.
>>98794369I don't
>>98794372>>98794372>>98794372new bake
>>98793823Flickers also reset control, anon. Dackter Phils whole gameplan is breaking his effect with his own effect
>>98793309What do you put in this deck? Leveler? Some eldrazi? It does one tap at least one player with leveler
>>98794535Flickers and big bastards so you can steal them back
>>98793333Now try in non-blue
>>98793349The deck is going to be 3 creatures 25 pieces of ramp and the rest built around the idea that you might have removalYou will have no library and die
>>98794538That seems very suboptimal
If a player resolves last March of the ents, would you prefer to be killed with craterhoof or watch several 8 mana etbs resolve?I tried to build a deck that doesn't one shot from hand, but now Im thinking the turns are too long.
>>98789652why is he wearing an alt art for the Tampa Bay Bolts? hes a science dude right is this his theortetixal alternate world where hockey teams have different colors?
>>98789416I mean if youre gonna spend 100 on deflecting swat I guess red is cheap. (I would just get a Chinese reprint though)
>>98792153bingo >>98792124self out? ______final fantasy brought in all the 30s somethings millennials back into the game. so many chuds back in it (and thats a GOOD thing!)
>>98791686Last dude I played with who had this as a commander >replied "I'll forget your name, I'll just remember your commander" when I asked for HIS name and looked offended when I stared at him like he was a retard >threw down counterspells without saying anything >threw a bitchfit when my friend played Tamiyo's Protection in response to having the Spine of Ish Shah dropped and targeting his Glacial Chasm because he didn't declare TP as soon as he played Ish Shah >sat with an absolutely oppressive board and did nothing to try and win besides stacking more stacks and making more shit >replied with "it won't resolve" when I jokingly asked if anyone had a boardwipe>packed up in a huff when my friend didn't want to play with him again Mono blue players
>Buy some bootleg cards off printing proxies>Joke backs so they're not counterfeits just for fun with friends>Get some joke ones for my friend's battlebox like blasphemous act with socks and sandels>They arrive>In a very thin padded bag that's ripped in a few places>Inside the cards have just been shoved into a plastic bag without so much as a rubber band around them to keep them together>Warped as fuck because obviously they had a difficult journey to get hereJesus christ, just put them into a little storage box. I would have even taken a rubber band to hold them together.
