Previous: >>98905473Peace Edition>Newshttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-banned-and-restricted-february-9-2026https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-february-9-2026>Current Banlisthttps://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned>Bracket Informationhttps://files.catbox.moe/4tbvzw.pnghttps://files.catbox.moe/r62yfy.png>Former Commander Website: Learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committeehttps://mtgcommander.net>Card Searchhttps://scryfall.com>Card Statistics: See what everyone else puts in their Commander decks based on what is posted to the Internethttps://www.edhrec.com>Deck List Sites: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choiceshttps://www.archidekt.comhttps://www.moxfield.com>Manabase Information: Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identityhttps://managathering.com>Green Bolas>Proxy Guidehttps://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM>Preconshttps://magicprecons.com>TQDo you consider any strategies or playstyles unfair? What about just unfun? If so, what are they?
>>98910106Any strategy where a guy spends 30 minutes shuffling in one turn.It's not unfair gameplay-wise, it's just unfair to the table.
What are some LORE implications of certain cards?
>>98910121Chandra got fat and ugly which means not even in the multiverse can women escape the wall
I love color memes. Post em.
>>98910184you should check out reddit then, you would totally XD your socks off LMAO!
>>98910238Reddit is pretty much the same as 4chan.
>>98910246Really? I got banned instantly the last time I posted there (apparently pointing out how the cow from the avatar set looked like a BIG FAT ASS was too much for them), have never gotten as much as a warning on /tg/.
>>98910246That's because easily 60% of the anons here are also over there.I really don;t get why they would come here.
>>98910262You get warnings on /tg/ for saying the wrong thing too lol
>>98910277in the last 12 years I never haveive been warned on tv but never tg
I love my beautiful Sphinx Wife
Who wants to pod up on convoke? :)
>>98910283she's kinda cute. tempting to build a lifegain deck to put her in, i dont know if i'd want her heading a deck though.
Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)
I recently have been re-evaluating everflowing chalice and I was very very wrongthis card is very good, Im going to start cutting a land and put it in every deck. im starting to realize you need at least 47 mana sources but more importantly, ramp in your opening hand. Which means if you are running only 10, you need to mulligan for lands and ramp instead of action.
>>98910300This card stinks. And it stinks slightly less the more mana you have, cutting a land for it is insanity.
>>98910277imagine having one ip long enough to even see a warning or a ban, kek.
>>98910306Literally, I REPLACED it with a dual land
>>98910300>>98910306dropping mana burn was a mistake
>>98910306I like everflowing chalice. What now FAGGOT?
>>98910295She's got some good combo lines
>tqI hate every strat I see. From toxic tax to land ramping
>>98910283If only it was a cute angel.
I cascade into Rampant Growth. Then, I cascade into Mana Drain. Pass the turn.
>>98910327Yeah bro if that player can't spend the 2 excess mana he's FINISHED
>>98910372multikicker, not kicker
>>98910306It used to be the centerpiece of a proliferate deck I had that I just called "The City". By turn 4 my turns were taking five minutes, by turn 5 they were taking 15, and all because I never actually put in a real win condition, just a whole lot of bits and pieces that let me proliferate as many times as I could.
>>98910370>Watching 100 idiots play this with the 5c ashling and not understanding cascade is not an etb trigger.
>>98910370Flashback Dread Return, sacrificing Protean Hulk and two Soldier tokens. Target Inferno of the Star Mounts. Protean Hulk search Shivan Dragon. Pass turn.
>>98910283very ballin' print, my new favorite commander deck. I just have the base version foil, need to pick this up. where the fuck is it's head though??>>98910306the only deck this doesnt mostly suck in is that EOE pre-con putting charge counters on everything. being able to externally put charge counters on chalice without a kicker makes it actually somewhat neat. >>98910327speaking truth to power here. mana burn needs to return immediately. >>98910342not sure how that unicorn is a combo at all but this is nice (pic rel)>tqpeople who play discard effects en masse are faggots. I rarely ever see even in high power s-cdr games (hi-power strategic commander) people doing discard all the time. it just stalls the game out and its just low social intelligence to think playing shit like that that people would want to keep playing. either that or just spiteful, and again just the type of people who won't be asked to join up the next time
>>98910442You blink Kwia with emile from the lotus and the new instance lets your trigger making a lotus again with a soul sister, infinite etbs infinite life
>>98910370>how to build a MW deck completely wrongThe ultimate litmus test
>>98910306any deck running 36 lands would be better off running 35 and an everflowingthat was my pointI supposed lands decks are an exception
>>98910488it almost certainly is not better with that decision, and in fact it is likely worse unless you have consistent draw or proliferate or charge counter synergies. consistently making land drops is far more important than playing shitty artifact mana like everflowing.
>>98910361Return to mono green stompy aggro.
I like to play Prismari the Inspiration :3
>>98910460Don't you need a couple of tiny ramp spells just to get to 8 mana quickly though?
>>98910246I got perma banned from reddit for saying "Deer are retarded" on a video of a retarded deer getting stuck on a fence or something. That was like 5 years ago.
Behold. The one true kind of the Elves.
>>98910370Hold my beer bro
>>98910491Trueif you are relying on having that 36th land in your deck, you have a non-functional deck due to lack of draw
>>98910460>using the cucked MV and not the far superior CMC wewlad you are a golem who's vocabulary is controlled by a billion dollar corporation
>>98910536are you dyslexic
>>98910559I don't think we can put all the blame on anon for this. Illiteracy is on the rise, the system is simply failing and these are the consequences.
>>98910502DELETE THIS
>>98910442When you blink kwia, the one that enters is a new game object with an untriggered 'once per turn' ability, which should then immediately go off because you're playing all the soul sisters.So Emiel is a stable infinite that is mana neutral, giving you infinite ETBs, non-death LTBs, and life. Blink dog and whitemane lion/two rescue creatures is the same but nets you one mana each time. Then you kill everyone with your preferred mana sink; walking ballista, gleaming splendor, my funny one is hurricane.
Pretty much the best obtainable land cards out there. Prove me wrong.
>>98910661>gleaming splendorHuh, that does let you win with infinite mana. What a stupid card. You got an aetherflux reservoir in that kwia list? Assuming you're the kwia guy.
>>98910663I like the new tower full arts
>>98910536patheitc
Do you play any of the OGs?
>>98910724I'm not a gay retard hung up on the past, no.
>>98910724I should proxy an angus mackenzie and make a really shitty turbofog deck someday. Not much else on that list really interests me that much, maybe experiment kraj but that's just combo.
>>98910724I used to use Sliver Queen to do the infinite sliver token trick.
>>98910684a basic land - forest is not just "green card" it is a forest, this lacks soul.
>>98910724>plc primordials but not the invasion onesWho made this?
>>98910745A retard that keeps posting bait. He went by card number rather than release date because he unironically thinks every card is designed alphabetically and in color order.
>>98910559 sincerely yesFuck
>>98910670I've been in this thread talking about making it for b4 for a few threads now, not the guy asking in the first place. I have a reservoir on my list, yeah.>>98910724Marton's like, OK actually? I'm surprised.Adun and Gwendy are also still OK.
>>98910724my Numot land destruction deck would be banned on sightgood fucking times
mirror mirror on the wall what's a good minthara list from the cards I have
>>98910778
>>98910449oh. yeah blinking stuff doesnt really interest me that much. too much other life gain stuff in the deck. but infinite life is certainly neat. could do the aetherflux thing with it but I wasn't really that interested in that. just some big ol elder xx_dragon_xx // **sphinx** highlander >>98910661definitely silly. I have gleaming splendor in the deck. actually just pulled another one last night at the All Leylines Eve chaos draft. wasn't trying to do infinites although I guess its nice to have in the deck for some times when you need to absolutely still pull out a winI had considered doing anointed procession or the like but I really just use well of lost dreams to turn the lotus tokens into draw 3 and keep drawing protection, flare of fortitude, Step sister of runes, Restoration Magic, Heroic, etc...>>98910663they are awesome >>98910684these are pretty cool too but some are better than others. >>98910724vorosh is the only one that really appeals to me is Marton might be fun if mono red wasn't such dog shit in commander. when commander was first becoming kind of a thing in 2011/2012 I tried to make one of OG Nicol Bolas and its just really unwieldy. those colors are misery to play without every single mana rock available and even then it gets wiped out with a shatter storm (typically more common than an armageddon; pic rel)
>>98910724I'd play Sliver Queen if I had her, and Kraj is in the 99 of another deck, but none of them helm any of my lists.>>98910733Yeah you're a gay retard hung up on the present lmao
>>98910724I've thought about trying Gwendlyn for reasons. Even if I never build the deck I've been watching prices hoping to get a deal on a decent copy.
>>98910724Oros (Aikido); Intet (Cascade); and Karn (Artifact spam). I have the OG Hazezon but decided I really like the newer one more so he's in the 99 for that one.
okay, back again. need some help cutting cards. making a deck where the first sliver cascades into a small number of 4 drops (or living end). yes, i am aware that this isn't going to be an amazing powerful deck. it is just a more stupid idea than anything else, but i like playing stupid, silly decks. using split cards, adventures/omens, cycling cards, and cost reducers, i aim to have options to play the game before i hit my 5 mana to cast the first sliver. these are the current targets that i am aiming to potentially hit with a cast of the first sliver>living end>sheoldred, the apocalypse>defense of the heart>industrial advancement>maskwood nexus>smothering tithe>the one ringhttps://moxfield.com/decks/1TOSbuSUgkaqJhlPQiTsrw
https://moxfield.com/decks/132y83gzx0KeKsOnj8wiwgwhat's a good deck in this vibe
>>98910893at a glance, industrial advancement seems exceptionally mediocre. maskwood nexus is cute i guess. smothering tithe seems like a very bad hit as well.can't play keruga as companion and living end, not how that card works
>>98910938>can't play keruga as companion and living end, not how that card worksoh fuck, you're right. that was an afterthought, both were cards that i was like "hmmm, these go well with the OTHER things i'm doing!" like, keruga is good because it is card draw and an extra card in my opener for a deck built around deceptively high mana costs. living end is good because it can be cascaded into and grab all the cycled creatures. i guess i've gotta pick one or the other.>industrial advancement seems exceptionally mediocreit is kind of like birthing ritual or something like that. play first sliver, cascade into advancement, sac first sliver on endstep to look at top 5 and potentially put a 6+ drop onto the field. it is obviously not as good as defense of the heart, but i am also not looking to build any insane combos with defense of the heart either. i just want big creatures and a stupid deck concept.>smothering tithe seems like a very bad hit as well.with lots of big mana spells (either things "on an adventure" or paying for the cost instead of cycling things or the bigger half of a split spell), lots of mana is really good. smothering tithe is just a great card, never disappointed when i play it.
>Land, go>Land, go>Land, go>Land, I play my commander, go>Land, I play glaring fleshraker, go>I winIs this an acceptable play pattern?
>>98910997what commander wins with raker
>>98911002q, stacking the deck
>supposed to put 10+ sources of extra draw in each deck>same with ramp>same with removal >in 10 games I've drawn extra ramp and draw in one game total and it didn't help and I've never drawn removal when I actually need itI'm just putting in the few best of the best draw/ramp/removal engines in my colors in case I get lucky and just stuffing the rest of my deck with goodstuff.
>>98911004you know you have to pay mana for the card q exiles rightit's like a turn 5 or 6 play and any reaction with the first or second raker sends you to the shadow realm, as would a counter on q
>>98909370Anything in particular or just in general?
>>98910997You're overthinking it. Just play 2x DBF every turn and it also clears the board for you. If you really want exponential growth for some reason you can play Shadow of the Goblin.
Huh, this card's a quarter. I guess so, proliferate decks usually don't run a lot of creatures.
why is it that so many different youtube channels and similar things talk about "making deals" in edh games? it's always phrased as shit like>i will use x removal spell on [other player]'s permanent if you promise to not attack me >i'll let your bomb resolve if you won't destroy my commander for the next two turnsand the latter ALWAYS comes with some anecdote about the other guy using bounce/exile because "teehee you only said 'destroy' not 'remove' so it's fine :^)"are they living in some schizophrenic alternate dimension or am i? i've never played a commander game where people unironically start making LE DEALS at each other like it's the diplomacy screen in a 4x game, so it always comes off as incredibly artificial, like they're speaking more from a fantasy of how edh games work and don't actually play them with real people
>>98911033Great in saga creatures theme.
>>98911019NTA but could you do an Avacyn? Any of the 3 would work, I just wanna see some hot goth angels
>>98911040>player A can kill player B or C>player B is tapped out but can kill player A on untap>Player B: "Hey if you kill C I won't attack you next turn.">Player A: "ok" kills player C>Player B: "ok I can't kill you, go.">Player A: "Ok now I can kill you">Player B plays something like aetherize or inkshield then untaps and kills A>Player C: "Why didn't you just kill him when you had the chance"very common play pattern
Is this QT3.14 on this card a planeswalker or commander I can use?
>>98911098https://tagger.scryfall.com/card/lci/149
>>98911098That's an Ixalanette so you can try Atal Palani, Huatli, or Wayta for similar vibes.
>>98911046
>>98910997I'm going to build him as a fair chaos deck with 40-60ish lands and every Twinflame I can get my hands on.
>>98911168buenothanks anon
You have to name your child but the only options are the commanders of decks you've builtWhat's your least bad option?
>>98911348teferi. he will be whiteghen is kinda normal name I guess too
4/6 sets have been spoiled for 2027 and I am not excited about any of them.
>>98911040It's usually either that or people very clearly trying to get away with resolving a card that will win them the game. As >>98911055 said it starts becoming super noticeable when you realize most "politics" manifests when people start trying to weasel their way into untapping one more time because they were caught out.Either way the winning move is not to play. Don't take deals because your opponents wouldn't be offering one if they didn't benefit more from it.
>>98911348Darien sounds pretty normal.
>>98911348I could get away with Odric, Leonardo, Vincent if boy, Astrid, Ruby, or Katerina if girl
>>98911348Peter Parker
go ahead, burn me
>>98911357>>98911376How are these guys the same?
>>98911380green white boi is somehow the 48th king darien
>>98910724>>98910871OG Hazezon is great with blink and sac effects due to how his ability works. He probably aged the most gracefully on this list simply because there's just a lot of shenanigans that can be done with him.Kind of besides that, I'll personally murder anyone who reads "Experiment Kraj" as "Experiment Crage" or some other shit.
>>98911371Cuckold tribal I see
>>98911385Experiment Craig
>>98910166She looks nothing like she used to. At this point it's not even the same character. The SJWs completely and utterly fucked her character design.
>>98911396looks exactly the same chud
>>98910277This is true, but I've never been perma'd for even some fairly extensive clowning. The longest I've ever gotten is a month for bullying one of the mods' pet posters.
>>98911396I like how her hair is literally on fire in the image and the filename focuses on her breast size. Goes to show this fanbase can't even complain correctly because this game has consistently struggled with consistent portrayals of its characters even if they're the fucking face character. Look at how many times Jace has changed appearance and he was supposed to be the fucking face of this game.
>>98911400Ywnbaw
>>98911406Good rebuttal. Instead of focusing on making the characters actually have a consistent appearance (tee hee Narset was actually 60 the whole time) they should just slap some DD cups on the characters and you'll stop noticing anything wrong.
>>98911411>slap some DD cups on the characters and you'll stop noticing anything wrong.This but unironically
>>98911396She looks so cute on Oath of Chandra with the >:3 face I wonder why they decided to race-swap her now
>>98911396>round faced ginger with freckles>>98911398>bony face with crooked nosehit the wall pretty hard huh
I wanna build athreos again after many years, for bracket 2 150€ budget limit, anything I cool or new you can do with him nowadays?
>>98911376*laughs in mono black*
>>98910997Finally a deck that oros the avenger has a 90+% winrate against
>>98911400Ah yes we all know women are intimidated by flaming hair more than a woman who is more conventionally attractive than her
>>98911473Just a triggered troon, we can ignore HIM
'member when The Mind Sculptor was banned
>>98911454The shadowborn apostle/rats build is out of the question I had some success with a build focused on extrort and other such wb "pingers" I opted for grave to hand cards instead of animation and had a very small aristocrats package but mostly relied on blocking creatures and opponent's removal to put the cards in the graveIt was pretty ok for 2015, there's a lot of new cards for that strat now
>>98911473Yes I'm sure women being intimidated by big boobs explains why the rest of her also keeps changing between every card.
>>98911499Amazing how every change makes her uglier. Almost like a pattern or something. Don't act like you don't know what's happening you woke retard.
>>989113961. chandra nalaar jp duel decks2. chandra nalaar og lorwyn3. chandra pyromaster4. chandra firebrandthe only chandras worth talking about artwise
>>98911464midwits build oros as a voltron commander hoping to boardwipe every combat stepthe smart ones build white creature stax and use oros as a backup wincon/removal that sunlances everything
>>98911531>no chainmailnot muh chandra>>98911512I'm convinced her racing suit would be hot if she still had tits.
>>98910742a bit too late to complain now don't you think?
>>98911552full armor on women is a meme and is to be laughed at just like our ancestors did at the idea of sending women on the frontlinesthe idea of women really getting into the trenches is a specifically male-centered aesthetic - women themselves don't particularly crave for the concept for obvious reasons - so if we're going to have this might as well have them show some skin, even girlbosses played straight like ripley from alien at least knew this truth back in better days and had her show her bare arms
>>98911542List?
>>98911168Holy Moly
>>98911168daang, why don't more people do this
>buy fullart foil Terra on cardmarket>seller sends me the extended version insteadWhat.....
>>98911860how much did you pay for it?
>>98911870It was 70 euro and this fucker sends me a card that's not even 20
>>98911879It's printed cardboard, it's worth about 0.25
>>98911908art is just pixels, just generate it
>>98911912Yes.But regardless what image you want, buy it for what it's actually worth (with a /reasonable/ markup) and have it printed to order from someone who isn't invested in the artificial scarcity secondary market and therefore has no incentive to scam you out of the image you wanted.
>>98911931>cardboard is an artificial scarcity scam>but art isn't!fool, art is worth just as much as cardboardi'm not about to be scammed out of art just because god rolled the dice and gave some shmuck better hands than me therefore i should pay out of my ass
>>98911931Insane how at all times there's a guy shilling proxy service here
>>98911935original handmade art can conceivably fetch value, but no digital (and infinitely reproducible with no effort) is worth only the cost of printing it.I don't know how you got otherwise from that.You don't need to pay for art, you only need pay for the hardware to generate it.
>>98911945Shilling the idea of proxy service, I gave you no links.I'm a zealot, not an advertiser.
>>98911951>original handmade art can conceivably fetch valueincorrect, you can just generate the art you want and then print it to hang on your wall for next to nothingi love it when the most hardline proxytard suddenly become the biggest defenders of intellectual property the moment artists are involved
>>98911168Ask it to reduce visual noise and the art becomes 20% neater
>>98911966I don't give a fuck about intellectual property, the contents of your mind belong to you only so long as you keep them in your mind.There is a subjective desire market for handmade vs. printed, to suggest otherwise is just mental deficiency.If you want a print go right ahead, the mona lisa looks like crap either way, but some people would happily pay enough to supply whole families with a lifetime of comfort to put the original on their wall.
>>98911411the only narset i have is pic related in my monoblue Talrand
>>98910370I hit you with 7 damage on turn 3."Oh my god I can't believe I whiffed! Where are my dinosaurs???"
>>98911982>There is a subjective desire market for handmade vs. printed>just like there's a subjective desire market for earthmade vs. lab, therefore natural diamonds aren't a scam!>but even though there's a subjective desire market for wotcmade vs. chang printer you should always proxy!roru rumaoyou are severely coping and doing mental gymnastics to protect your artists when in truth they are just as replaceable as wotc cardboard
>>98911019>>98911168Fuck, if you keep this up I'm going to be ordering prints of your images for years.The full decks I'm seeing on etsy are low effort gens, basically just "anime girl in a bikini colored to match the cards identity" but these have actual effort put into getting the image right.
>>98911995Please, walk me through how that is gymnastics.It's an objective appraisal of reality.
>>98912008artists are worth just as much as cardboard no matter how much you want to make an exception of it because all you really want are free cards for your favorite kid's card game
>>98911860lel gotem
>>98912023That is not answering the question asked.
>>98912079you're also not answering why people shouldn't buy genuine cardboard btw
>>98912102Yes I have, you're just ignorantAll that needs to be established is whether you're pretending not to understand in order to make discourse impossible, avoiding acknowledgement of the points. Or if you're just a braindead moron.
>>98912112and in turn i also have answered, you're just ignorantall that has been established is that you will advocate everyone to proxy but at the same time advocate that everyone support real art because you're a furry that wants free cardboard, simple as
>>98911845They have self-respect.
>>98912119I see you're just too stupid to understand.You might notice (if you had intellect) that I didn't say anyone SHOULD buy from handcraft artists, I only stated the absolute fact that some people CHOOSE to value that. You or I can disagree with them, but they exist, end of story.You really shouldn't have dropped out of school if your life's goal was to argue for the sake of it all the time.
>>98912132>You might notice (if you had intellect) that I didn't say anyone SHOULD buy from handcraft artists>It's printed cardboard, it's worth about 0.25 (serves you right for being scammed) >>98911912you support dumb points, don't be surprised you get shit on in turn lol
>>98912140Those two statements are consistent with each other.So now you've just skipped into celebrating an imagined victory when you can't find any holes in the logic.
>>98912154>Those two statements are consistent with each other.if you were had any spine you would drop the>but but butin your response >>98911931 a simple *yes* would've sufficedclearly you are trying real hard to make exceptions for artists (appeals to emotion, authenticty, etc) while having no sympathy for an anon that got scammed for buying real cardboard, you are a midwit that cannot accept the logical conclusions of his reductionism
>>98911879>>98911860Take a screenshot of the invoice and the received product and demand a refund through cardmarket itself.
>>98912159>no sympathy for anonAH! Now the heart of the issue is exposed, your pretense of arguing about other things is just a cover for your appeal to emotions! That is another logical fallacy btw. Yes, anyone who spends 70euro (or any price beyond the material cost (including the cost of maintenance of the machinery to print, time to inspect, package and ship the order, shipping cost and a FAIR profit margin) is already being scammed by objective definition.But back to the REAL point at hand, you're just lashing out because I didn't respect anons hurt feewings!Anon is a grown man (or doesn't belong here) and can contact their card issuer to dispute the charges with evidence of what was purchased vs what was received, that's a very simple matter, no one loses anything but the scammer.
>>98911912>just generate itI'm gonna rip your intestines out through your urethra, faggot
>>98912127on an anonymous image board? really nigga?
>>98912180>Yes, anyone who spends 70euro (or any price beyond the material cost (including the cost of maintenance of the machinery to print, time to inspect, package and ship the order, shipping cost and a FAIR profit margin) is already being scammed by objective definition.>but you paying up the ass for art commissions isn't a scam! i swear it isn't!kek the only logical fallacy being committed here is (You) sucking up for artists hoping they'll fuck youso the next time someone whines on twatter that they got scammed again out of a commission that'll be the final straw that breaks the camel's back and you will definitely just say 'just gen it fool' to everyone, right? hahaha
>>98912180if he didn't film himself opening the letter I'm never giving the money back, and even then I'm appealing to AI deepfakes before my hand is forced btw lmao
what the fuck is going in here?
Are counter shenanigans viable or are there simply not enough cards with this effect?
>>98911845>AIslopshit cards I'd spit on you the same way I spit at fast food places doing AI menus
>>98912206gissa is legit cause first strike + deathtouch is always nasty. hex parasite is a combo piece. counter shenanigans overall are a meme because counter and token hate are a big no-no for wotc so you'll never get enough cards to make it relevant.
>>98912206Counters are used so much these days, yeah, could be used to fuck people over quite a bit. without making your entire deck bricks.
>>98912204>someone got scammed>somone else basically says 'should've just proxied'>tell him that you should generate your art commission needs too>anon kvetches and tries to make exceptions and tries to gaslight you that paying hundreds to thousands of dollars for art commisions is totally different from you whaling for mtg cardsthat's it pretty much
>>98912210the more genbros funposting here the better. mods will do nothing to stop it either and you are powerless no matter how much you spit haha
>>98912221Nah, pretty sure if report bombed gobpedo he'd be banned pretty quickly
>>98912221At least gen something good not shit that looks like stable diffusion from 2 years ago
>>98912225didn't work with actual off-topic vidya tierlist spam during FF, won't work now
>>98912183
>>98912217thanks for the feed.my super relevant opinion on this is: if you proxy, proxy the first original artwork print. i hate when i cant recognize your cards from across the table. this is also why i hate secret lairs more than ub for their artworks. too many different artworks make a complex board state impossible to follow. also the only legit pimp is old border foils. everything else is cope of the highest order.
personally I like sexy proxies
>>98912235You can actually tell what something is when it's upside down and 2 meters away and behind double sleeves?
>>98912262if its the original or the most common reprinted artwork, yes. you cant?
>>98912256Me too, I don't want to see dogshit slop proxies. I want shit with effort and talent
>>98912204A retard is trying to falseflag proxy users by pretending to be a particularly obnoxious one
>>98912206
>>98912272wdym we like gobanon here
>>98912183Don't threaten me with a good time
I will play with your if your entire deck is chinese bootlegs.I will play with you if your entire deck is unsleeved printer paper with handwritten text.I will play with you if your entire deck is ub slop.I will not play with you if your deck is AI anime girls.
>>98912283
>>98912282Why don't you just gen your own shit instead of begging for slop so you can gen over it
>>98912283>>98912285>I will play with you if your deck is AI looking twink men.
who is in line?
Gen yourself playmats instead then order them custom made from aliexpress
>>98912297
>>98912196You're ignorantI started this entire chain by saying buy proxies you dumb fuck, always buy proxies, idiots buy "official"All I have done in regard to artists is recognize that despite the illogic of it SOME PEOPLE STILL VALUE HANDMADE ART.I have made it abundantly clear I do not agree with doing so.You're illiterate and don't know what the word "logic" means (alongside many others)You already gave up the goose too, youre anger is about lack of respct for anon, this is 4chan, ad hominem and ridicule are the culture, emotional resiliency is expected of anons, and we are ANONS we do not have interpersonal relationships, be thick skinned or begone.
>>98912306>I started this entire chain by saying buy proxies you dumb fuck, always buy proxies, idiots buy "official"then gen ai you dumb fuck, always gen ai art, idiots buy 'real art'>All I have done in regard to artists is recognize that despite the illogic of it SOME PEOPLE STILL VALUE HANDMADE ART.and why can't people still value genuine wotc cardboard?>You're illiterate and don't know what the word "logic" meanskek and you do? lol>haha you care about scammed anons on 4chanand? you're having a hard time today and are yiffing impotently, furryai is the future and artists will finally be put in their place just like the ancient greeks did 2000 years ago
>>98912315>then gen ai you dumb fuck, always gen ai art, idiots buy 'real art'THAT IS WHAT I HAVE SAID FROM THE START YOU FUCKING MORONRead the actual fucking argument being made.You have now switched your position to matching my original statements and think this is a win for you?
>>98912334>THAT IS WHAT I HAVE SAID FROM THE START YOU FUCKING MORONincorrectwhat you said was>>98911931>Yes>BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT>buy it for what it's actually worth!>(with a /reasonable/ markup!)>who determines what's reasonable? the artist ofc!>paying thousands of dollars for an art commission is totally normal!the 'but' is all that's needed for me to glean your real beliefs, furry
>>98912285that's a long ass dock
>>98912283Oh no! and we we're all going to play with you! Now I'm so sad that your most esteemed and honorable eminence will be forever missing from my table =(Such a loss has befallen me this day, I shall grieve it forevermore and ask "what could have been?"
>>98912343Its called a wharf
>>98912339Funny how not one of those "quotes" actually come from my posts.You skim instead of reading.
>>98912351>he lied as easily as he yiffed
>>98912354Go ahead, celebrate your "victory" while you chew on your crayons, the argument is archived and anyone can read it if they felt it had worth.You choose to argue against a strawman that does not represent the statements actually written right in front of you.
Jannies please ban BOTH sides. Theyre arguing about making a proper argument about the ethics of globlin tits.Everythread one of theres is devolving to shit at a faster rate
>>98912358next time don't say 'but' and simply say yes to every argument for ai art replacing artists, simple as
>>98912360They aren't the problem, they aren't the cancer that needs to be cut out. Range ban gobpedo. He is the one who causes all of this
>play bracket 2 at the store>one guy shows up with Ojer Axonil>Ojer eats a Darksteel Mutation on turn 4>Ojer guy cries for 20 minutes on how Darksteel Mutation is unfair and against the spirit of Bracket 2 and he has nothing to remove it>Ojer guy finds his chaos warp>wins on the spotI am so fucking tired of commander players.
>>98912369I'm not your dancing monkey kiddo, if you cant differentiate between the argument made while it also recognizes the objective fact of what it opposes, that's on you.
>>98912378a player crying for 20 minutes? exactly as i wanted it!
>>98912386i dont get it
>>98912384>BUT BUT BUTlook at you unable to say a simple 'yes' to the ai art questionwhy? because you furries simply can't help yourselvesyour kind foams at the mouth rabidly at any mention of ai replacing them lmao
>>98912397I have said use genned proxies from the start, I use genned proxies.YOU CAN'T READ
>Anytime Black gets something good, it gets GCed>B is no longer even good at removing thingsWtf does B even do these days outside of GC cards? White just does everything better by comparison now.
>>98912393>sheldon espouses rule zero shit>which only makes people only mingle with people that agree with them and only play in their bubble basements>if ever they venture outside, they bring with them their unchallenged beliefs on what a 'casual edh game' should be>summarily cries at the slightest opposition from randossheldon and the rc were a net negative to the long term health of the game, good riddance
>>98912378>my deck doesn't have any gamechangers, its a b2, teehee>Oop, I went infinite turn 3, my deck CAN'T always do that, teehee just got a christmas hand, teeeeheeeeThere are so many bad actors in this community.
The longer I play Commander the gayer I think it is. At least in 60 card people were okay with losing.
>>98911376Still my favorite mono-white general. Wish he only cost 4 though.
>>98912408There is no possible way to rate power level objectively by one metric for all decks..Brackets address the wrong issue.Gatekeep your game, tell That Guy to fuck off.
>>98912403>you want to buy wotc cardboard? fool!>you want to buy real art? cool, just pay for what it's worthkeep yiffing furry, it's hilarious
>>98912407>which only makes people only mingle with people that agree with them and only play in their bubble basementsThis still happens. A bracket 2/3 in one store or group is a totally different bracket 2/3 in another. I think a lot of people are too bad at the game to correctly gauge the strength of their deck.
>>98912418I can't imagine brawl is any different
>>98912422Can't know a guy is a That Guy until the game is over, but yes. Don't play with people after that point.
>>98912423
>>98912378It's just appalling. They are prone to autistic fits where they can't think straight and can't be talked out of it. Like his manabarbs is still probably chunking people every turn, it's just going to take another few turns. But simply being slowed down is enough of a disruption for them to get "overstimmed" and chimp out. Had a guy chimp out and rage quit the other day because I hit him with picrel after he vommitted out a bunch of creatures that would win the game if he untapped. And they never learn. I'm not seeing any development of skills in players who've joined in the last 5 years, they just copy-paste stronger and stronger decklists but don't fundamentally understand how to play a multiplayer format.
>>98912425the irony of sheldon being a lvl5 judge while being so wishy washy on what edh 'should be played' will never be lost on mehe failed to put his foot down and enforce rules when he was still in a position to do and that's why we get this left for dead shit
>>98912428Well yeah, but no point whinging over just one game.Curate your group, then the issue is gone.
It's a 100 card singleton format. Yes, you will have vastly different games depending on your luck and how things go. You might blast off turn 3 or you might not get shit done turn 7. That's why the only way to look at things is to estimate how things go on average.
>>98912393Sheldon & co. abused the shit out of Rule 0 to justify never actually creating a proper framework for organising edh games with strangers. This led to players going to their LGS having been adjusted to wildly different play environments at their kitchen table, and as a consequence of all this, you get shit like said Ojer player as a regular occurrence
>>98912430art is just pixels, just generate it
>>98912446
At this point I don't even care about winning I just want to mine salt from players by having answers for t1 sol rings even if it's punting the game.
>>98912456>can't say 'yes'ah, furries
I don't really get the issue.>what kind of decks we playing? Got something rather weak, something middle of the road and something strongThen everyone agrees on one and you know whether you play ~2, ~3 or ~4 If someone lied you just don't play with them again after confronting them about it afterwards.
>>98912457>green edict Somebody PLEASE execute the greenfaggots on the design team
>>98912436The current bracket rules are still wishy-washy. I was recently drawn into a discussion where someone told me designing and playing a deck to win is bracket 4 intent. Bracket 3 and below is a casual mindset according to the current bracket system. You can't argue against that; you can only stand up and leave. These people will never play the same game as you.
it's that kind of bracket discussion again, eh?bracket 3:>no infinites/altwincons like thoracle and coalition victory until tun 7>no mld>up to 3 GCsbracket 2:>no infinites/altwincons like thoracle and coalition victory until tun 9>no mld>0 GCsthat's it, it's that simplethere will always be stronger decks than others no matter what system is made but you will find no cleaner and simpler smogon clause than mine, i challenge you to implement this in your playgroup and save yourselves the headache
>>98912457>I just want to mine salt from players by having answers for t1 sol ringsThe best to ever do it, plus it doubles as a counter to all those pesky 1 mana removal spells
>>98912480>He didn't read the article and just looked at the imageMany such cases
>>98912492>he didn't read the article>doesn't post the article
>>98912497You mean where you got the graphic from?Retard.
>>98912479>umm this is illegal you won a turn too soon Any LGS taking this as anything more than a rough "what one might expect on average" is retarded
My "threat assessment hot take" is that I always attack and target the person who's turns are taking the longest. Death to slow-players.
>>98912503you mean this?lmao cry more
>>98912488I got a greenfag to scoop to me using this on their exploration before
>>98912504>what one might expect on average"please define
>>98912508>It's the cherrypicking retard againMany such cases
>>98912512Bless your heart, Anonymous
>>98912517>you're cherry picking!!funny when i actually do not care what wincon people bring to me in casual pods, so long as it's done in the 'appropriate time', as is only to be expected in a casual pod, i'm the most accommodating anon you'll find in this goddamn threadi actually want voltron to have a chance to win rather than them being token warm bodies just to say the pod is 'casual' even though people are still racing to combo off asap
>>98912514Average is average. If my deck "on average" can end a game on like turn 8 it doesn't mean there can't be games where it happens sooner or later. Anyone policing little shit like this in a single game is an idiot, there's way too many variables.
>>98912526what if on average i have a 10% likelihood to win earlier than turn 8? what about 20%? 30%? please tell me the answer so i can game your silly little threshold and combo off as early as possible while still cheekily saying 'it doesn't happen all the time retard!"
>>98912542I don't think you understand what average means.
>>98912547how would anyone know? you never defined itagain, please tell me how 'likely' i can be in comboing off earlier than turn 8 so i can be the cheekiest bastard in the pod
>>98912554>pretending to not know what common parlance is or what "average" means to win an argumentDork
>>98912526You do realise that even if we're charitable with that description, it still condones a hypothetical deck with a 49.99...% chance to jump ahead of the intended turn count?
>>98912566>uh oh he can't define it!Many such casesanyways guess i'll just combo off asap in casual pods, it doesn't happen all the time anyway
To be precise, it should be the median so "hurr once it took me 50 turns" fags don't try their shit.
>people expect me to take down statistics of every game so I can see if my deck does something less than 49% of the time to pay with retards
>>98912579>of course i expect you to>what, you want something as simple and straightforward as combo turn limits? Dork!
>>98912579No one wants that, that's why these brackets should just be how you feel about the strength of your deck.If you are wrong, people can talk to you about it after the game and either no longer play with you because you obviously lied about it or you can learn and adjust and realize your assessment was off. I thought Commander was meant to be a social game, yet somehow people have problems going "can we talk about how you judged your own deck earlier"?
>>98912579I mean you could goldfish to find the upper limit but your point about it being excessive for the sake of environmental balance still stands
>>98912593>I thought Commander was meant to be a social gameCommander is also meant to be a game that's played in public and not a private left 4 dead game where every basement has their own special rulesyou can play however you want in your basement, but don't be surprised that people also look for clear rules to play with randoms who don't think like you and brackets have done more for that than anything sheldon ever did
>>98912600Your clear rules are retarded because you can play around them and have decks of vastly different power levels all in the same bracket. That's why an honest assessment of it is much better than "he he he yes I technically don't go against what is written here"
>>98912604>your clear rules are retarded because some decks will be stronger than others!oh god forbid, whatever shall we do?if you were as smart as you thought you were you would get all 5 foundations commander decks and play with them as they are balanced to fight each other, why even bother with deckbuilding? let wotc do it for you!the old 'edh players are just boardgame players' rings true yet again
>>98912610I'm not the one who has an issue with people winning, you were the one who got pissy about someone daring to win a turn sooner than the bracket promised in a single game.
>>98912604Anon, I'm sorry to say this but you're replying to someone who genuinely believes a hideously exploitable system is better than any alternative. Still post your criticisms, but not with (You)s to that retard
>>98912617>you were the one who got pissy about someone daring to win a turn sooner than the bracket promised in a single game.well what if i go infinite and win 2 games early? 3 games? 4? 5? where do you draw the line?
>>98912619>a hideously exploitable systembut enough about rule zero
>>98912619You're right, retards will be retards.
>>98912604You are never going to get "balanced decks." It doesn't fucking exist. Stop trying to force the impossible and instead accept your deck is shit and needs to be better if you care about actually winning the game designed to be won.
>>98912621It's an honor system with no exact line. Five games at turn 5 is not a statistically significant sample though it is highly unlikely for lower power decks that should give you pause for thought about the bracket you're playing in.
>>98912659>It's an honor system>aka it's a system that will only work if you play with people who think exactly like you>that's you should only play in your basement, like me>going outside? playing with people who don't think like you? ack!i swear sheldon did so much damage to mtg i'm happy wotc finally killed of the useless rc
>>98912669That's a lot of words I didn't say
>>98912672please tell me how the honor system will work with randos just like how the honor system totally works for everyday transactions at any retail store
>>98912669You definitely called a store owner over before to try and get someone banned for winning a turn too early in a single game, you're just the type
>>98912677It does work "on average" ;)
>>98912680every fnm commander game i played implemented this >>98912480 and i had no issues whatsoever because everyone knows what an infinite loop is
>>98912688>on average 0% of retail stores use the honor system>but it will totally work with randos you meet up for edh!>*real* honor system has never been tried!lmao
>>98912691>make the most shit deck imaginable with all the worst crap >have one single armageddon in it>this is bracket 4 power!
>>98912693>>on average 0% of retail stores use the honor system???
>>98912698i don't see walmart having empty cashiers and no security
>>98912693>>98912702Do the randos you meet up with for EDH take your money if you lose or something?
>>98912695it's gavin's world buddy boybut don't worry if you finally start working then maybe you too will work at wotc and change the game to your vision
>>98912704no it's me getting bragging rights and the lgs earning some money by implementing clear rules instead of rule zero that would inevitably stop return customers who are just randos that don't think alike that's all
Do you guys feel good when you stomp the table? Sometimes i will pull out one of my stronger decks (still b3) and it just feels so guilty when you completely shut down everyone. Its in your best interest to try for a balanced pod because you are there for fun.
>>98912695>make the most shit deck imaginable with all the worst crap>have one single troll of khazad-dum in it>wtf is that a lotr draft common? your pile is too powerful for legacy!
>damn I lucked out and pulled all the right shit, this only happens once in a blue moon to me>I could win next turn>oh, fuck, it's one turn too soon, I'm not allowed to win yet, I'll just do something else and misplay to avoid anyone getting me banned for being a turn too early with this
>>98912719Generally no. If the other people are kinda being assholes then I'm okay with it, but I'm not super okay when its just a one sided beating.
>>98912722>damn I lucked out and got a sol ring in my opener>i proceed to snowball and win>huh? the pod is salty about sol ring? why?>it only has an 8% chance to be in my opener it only happens once in a blue moon!
>>98912719I'm in a smaller city so there's a limited amount of players around. Sometimes someone will play a stronger b3 in the same game that has others use b2. Doesn't mean they'll win, they just make themselves the target of others and get taken out sooner
>>98912719>Do you guys feel good when you stomp the table?yes because it shows the pod what i'm capable of, i also have a cedh fully proxied deck as a concealed carry btwonce the opening game has concluded then it's more acceptable to power down, an armed edh pod is a polite edh pod
>>98912719I like it when I'm always one step ahead of the table and the table thinks they are just about to catch up but that never happens cause its already over. they just dont know it.
>>98910361>>98910498ironically, it would have worked better/rhymed with the same syllables/cadence of the original quote if he had said"i hate every strat i seefrom combo stax to green stompy!"
>>98912719>Do you guys feel good when you stomp the table?If I play some super niche chaff rare from Mirage, yes. If I play some giga-pushed made-for-commander bullshit that's obviously busted, no.
>>98912728Thank you for agreeing with me
>>98912728>only win a turn early because another player in the match gifted me a bunch of cards>have to hold back because I'm not yet allowed to win>LGS owner looks at me with the "no no" finger away and points at the "NO WINNING ALLOWED BEFORE TURN 7" sign
>>98912742>i'm afraid of sol ringconcession accepted
>>98912508>>98912480>that doesn't mean you should just wait and hold your two-card infinite until later eitherVery explicit that sandbagging a more efficient combo until a later turn is NOT allowed in lower brackets; be a man and assemble a real shitbrew combo if you want to combo in B2 and something mana-intensive enough you couldn't feasibly do it for the first 6 turns even if just 2 cards in B3.
one lgs i go to does a quicker mulligan rule where you leave a mulled hand aside and just draw the next 7 without reshuffling. needless to say land counts are extremely low and sol rings extremely common at that store.
>opponents scoop t1>dq'd because I won before the clearly defined turn 7 limitHehehe perfectly balanced
>>98912743>have to hold back because I'm not yet allowed to wincasual is all about holding back though and winning with silly things like *shudder* combat damagei mean, we can drop all pretenses at any time, you know?relax, we're not playing for prizes, it's all casual
>>98912695>My deck is technically b4 because it has armageddon, otherwise its a bunch of crap, barely b2See what the pod responds, see its very simple
>>98912728>salty about a fucking sol ring
>>98912748>if a combo could frequently come up it's not a good fit for the bracket>but what's 'frequently'?>cricketsplease define 'frequently'
>>98912755>being ahead two turns doesnt matter at all guys because, uh, how much mana you have doesnt matter?
>>98912754Sorry but the other anon said you're not allowed to be reasonable and communicate, you either adhere to very strict bracket definitions or not. No talking, no assessments, no genuine "I'd say my deck is x" takes
>>98912758Why? Is your definition of "frequently" substantively different than someone else's on average
>>98912761>you either adhere to brackets or rule zerocorrect
>>98912759>dude I can't believe you just played a sol ring that card should be banned, we're trying to have fun here okay what are you a competitive nerd?
>>98912763>substantivelyplease definepersonally i think a 33% chance to combo off before turn 6 is acceptable in a casual game, doesn't happen all the time
>>98912766Brackets are nothing but a rule 0 tool for easier rule 0
>>98912776what are banlists but rule 0 made by wotc by fiat?
>>98912772If your median decreases, it decreases
Can we get the peter griffin paint swatch meme for brackets instead of gamechangers and infinites because I feel like that would be way more of a frictionless experience
>>98912785so no response to me comboing off early? who cares how likely it is, just trust me bro i swear it doesn't happen all the timehey if you die, you die
>>98912794Exactly. If it happens it happens. Someone might also win the lottery twice in a year, it's possible.
>>98912768>dude I can't believe you just played a sol ring that card should be banned, we're trying to have fun here okay what are you a competitive nerd?>oh you popped off with vivi and kinnan early? i'll take your word for it that it's casual we're not competitive nerds here
>>98911168Where's the porn
>>98912794Yeah communication and things like rule 0 become impossible when you deal with disingenuous people. Asking people to define everything makes you seem like some angleshooting faggot that's going to bring "but it's not what you think" dogshit to a table because your mexican retard ass can't hack it in cedh
>>98912806Exactly this.
>>98912800>Someone might also win the lottery twice in a yearnah i think i'll just win the lottery starting turn 5 with zero GCs and mld using a commander that combos off once he etbs, have fun mulling for counterspells
>>98912806>angleshooting never happened in sheldon's rule zero paradise!
>>98912794If you combo off early after claiming to be b2/b3 or wharever noone is calling the police but they might call you out for being a pubstomping moron. Players have brains and can tell how much mana you spent on the combo, how many cards you needed and how often it could happen this early. If you are a pure combo deck full of tutors and shit its trivial to identify you. You are not fooling anyone.
>>98912820>they might call you out for being a pubstomping moronand how did you arrive at this conclusion? because of tutors? gavin removed that restriction already doofusand i literally only won one game, why are you this judgmental? fuck it doesn't happen all the time man!
>>98912829Now you're just acting like a retard on purpose. You lost.
>>98912788what we need is an actual banlist for "casual" and "competitive". >inb4 "there will still be competitive decks in the casual tier!">inb4 "you are just going to ban the archetypes you don't like! no one wants to play with your shitty banlist!">inb4 "you will ruin both formats!"it's pretty easy to separate the formats. it won't be perfect, but an easy early fix would be the following bans in "casual", further bans can be made months/years down the line if things prove to be too powerful. the bans for separation would be>reserved list>cheap/efficient tutors>fast mana>free interaction>tainted pact and demonic consultationthat's literally it. "casual" would be slower and have more room for interaction. it doesn't destroy archetypes, but removes some of the biggest combos that cedh uses and makes other less reliable while leaving more room to be disrupted.
>>98912840>fuck i can't win this argument>uh... retard!never leave your basement sonny jim
>>98912842I know theres autists around and they need clear rules for everything but some things cant easily be put into clear rules. One of these things is a 4 player ffa card game with 30k different cards played casually for fun
>>98912841>i have no reserved list>i have no cheap/efficient tutors>my best mana rock is thran dynamo>i have no free interaction>i have no tainted pact and demonic consultation>as a bonus, i have 72 fucking swampsbros i made iti'm bona fide bracket 2 casual
>>98912841Yeah simply splinter the playerbase, lots of people will be lining up to play casual cedh and competitive b2. Great idea
>>98912861>some things cant easily be put into clear ruleswrong, i already posted the best ruleset you'll ever need >>98912480you're just salty that it'll show what decks are better than others, but god forbid there are strong decks in a game made for pvp since 1993
>>98912820If people can't tutor for combo pieces when each bracket already has predefined card numbers for combos, then you're simple too stupid for this game, dawg. Nobody is upset you weren't given an extra 3 turns to creature storm out, because you dropped a t2 Guardian Project and proceeded to draw 10 cards over the rest of the table. The ONLY people I have ever seen be upset about combo or early wins are Greenfags who weren't allowed to swing their 100 creature boardstate or tbeir 20 card hands ended up not mattering despite the game essentially giving you this shit borderline free, simple because you happen to have G in your color identity.
>>98912871Not too strong though, or you'll get them banned from the store for somehow winning one game a turn too early
>>98912880>you won one game early? that's ok i totally believe that it happens once in a blue moon>i have to be bullied by you comboing off and winning 6 games early for me to start doubting you
Why are greenbros the most persecuted players
>>98912886>>98912840
>>98912865i mean if you cut the playerbase by thirds tomorrow each slice of it would still probably dwarf the commander player population in 2015.
>>98912879i play green and i'm fine with ojer axonil and kuja burning me to death
>>98912890>>98912842
>>98912879>each bracket already has predefined card numbers for comboseven talking about card numbers for combos is stupid, because even edhrec thinks dualcaster mage + twinflame is not allowed for b2 because they think it's a 2 card combo when it requires another creature
>>98912865>splinter the playerbaseit won't do that (at least in the way you think it will turn out). the low power decks will change maybe a card or two and continue existing as they had. cedh isn't being touched here. it is also a kitchen table format, so people will still face their decks against each other even if their decks adhere to either banlist. this would just give clearer delineation between power levels of decks than the game changers list/bracket system allows. it would allow for much easier/clearer pregame conversations: "which banlist did you build for?" it keeps out the people who reliably tutor for their combos on T2-T3 with free interaction to protect that combo from the people who just want to play a silly game of magic.also, this anon >>98912892 is right. the playerbase is so huge that "splintering" it wouldn't have the effect that you might think. it wouldn't ruin or destroy formats for lack of players, it would just allow the different parts of the playerbase to have an easier time staying in their lane.
>>98912928>"splintering" it wouldn't have the effect that you might think>but i'm mad that brackets encourage players gaming it so they can *technically* win in a children's card game even though my own silly rules promote that anyway
>>98912933>even though my own silly rules promote that anyway???
>>98912938>>98912862>inb4 he doesn't know godo's ugly cousin
Magic: The Bracketing
the lesson? rule zero is dictated by your most obnoxious friend
>>98912941no, i don't know your shitty combo deck. show me it. i highly doubt it negates anything i said. the deck is probably slow as fuck and the combo is likely open to interaction. i also acknowledged that there will be some players looking to get in cheap shot/easy wins/play at the highest level allowed within the banlist. it isn't about stopping that, it is just about leveling the playing field because too many people say shit like "i'm just a little guy with a low level bracket 3!" and then it turns out to be B4. even if the belzenlok ends up being good, not every player is going to go out and build it, players will learn its tricks/how to deal with it fairly quick, and there is always room to add it to the banlist months down the line if enough people think it is a problem.
Every single issue is solved by just not playing with people who are assholes
>>98912986>and then it turns out to be B4. even if the belzenlok ends up being good, not every player is going to go out and build it, players will learn its tricks/how to deal with it fairly quick, and there is always room to add it to the banlist months down the line if enough people think it is a problem.that's quite literally how brackets work too but noooo it can't work because it was made by a corporation and not me, anon, the greatest mind out there
>>98912990unfortunately most players these days are assholes
>>98912990>every single issue is solved by just reading people's minds
>>98913015>someone turns out to be an asshole>just don't play with them againwoah Unless you live in fucking New York City and only ever play with new randoms every week I don't see the issue
>>98913026>just play in your basement, that way you will never be hurt by anyone ever again
>>98913029Not what I said
>>98913029No one else here has a problem with the existing bracket structure besides you.
>>98913036>oh no if it isn't the consequences of what i said>>98913037what an odd thing to say, i'm actually a big proponent of brackets
Huge tits tribal
>>98912445>justify never actually creating a proper framework for organizing edh games with strangersWhat do you get out of purposefully missing the point
>>98913042Do you live in one of the major cities and are you forced to play with new randoms every week to make this an actual issue?Everyone else seems to be able to "just not play with assholes again if they've shown to be assholes once". Why doesn't it work for you, are you?
>>98913047so what's the point? to not play with strangers as if you were a little kid?
>>98912738>super niche chaff rare>posts half of prosbloom
>>98913054You can play with strangers. And if they end up being douchebags you just don't play with them again.Where's the issue?
>>98913053>just not play with assholes bro>but please don't take it to its logical conclusion and just play in your basement bubbleprotip: the correct answer is 'knowing how to deal with assholes' and not avoid them as if they dictate your life you limp wristed weakling
Narrowed down my Mono-White commander choices to these four. Can they do fine at a fair Bracket 3 level playgroup?
>>98913059>>98913063
>>98913063Why would I want to play with assholes who lie and try to cheat?
>>98913008>that's quite literally how brackets work toono it isn't and you know that. stop playing dumb. brackets are vague guides that players consistently skirt around because they either misunderstand the system or are purposely trying to seem less threatening than they are. there is still a bunch of fast mana that aren't game changers, still free interaction that aren't game changers, and there is still a bunch of efficient tutors running around.anyways, show me your shitty belzenlok combo deck that supposedly fits my banlist and would be a degenerate pubstomping deck. i want to see it.
>>98913070>the discussion is about angleshooting on what combo to run that is both able to win early well enough while still being 'inconsistent enough' to fool people into thinking it's acceptable>suddenly talk about cheatingmassive self reportyou really are a limp wristed weakling
>>98913054The whole point of the format is to play Magic flipped on its head not some hyper curated formatStructure is antithetical to the point of the format
It's simple, we ban all the cards I don't like and create 5 more brackets.
>>98913082If someone lies about the strength of their deck they'll also lie about other things or try to cheat in other ways, circumventing rules or what not. Now answer, why would I want to play with such people?
>>98913074>brackets are vague guides>but mine aren't!i've already shown how easy it is to game your silly little ruleset and the only cope you have is 'um the meta will adapt, worst case just ban!' as if that was never an option in brackets>anyways, show me your shitty belzenlok combo deck that supposedly fits my banlist and would be a degenerate pubstomping deck. i want to see it.no, i think i won't spoonfeed you a simple google search, git gud
>>98913089You wouldn'tIts a self filtering format
>>98913086>Structure is antithetical to the point of the format>that's why we play with unlimited mulligans and look at the top card of our decks at any time, because rules are structure and structure is bad
>>98913089>i don't tell people pregame what my deck can do>i'm automatically cheating>this is my commander btwchrist you're so weak
>>98913100If that's the way you play, I'd try it once>niggas acting like we didn't play with batshit house rules and the chaos app before edh became the defacto mtg format
>>98913112>edh became the defacto mtg format because it had clear rules on what your commander is, what color identity is, etc>but structure is bad!
>>98913111You're really losing it huh, you are unable to explain why anyone should tolerate retards and assholes after the first time they've shown themselves as such. >just endure me being an asshole dude what are you, weak? I don't even need to ask you how many friends you have.
>>98913119the irony is i play with a lot more people than you - even with people that i personally don't jive with but will tolerate for the purposes of playing edh - unlike you who never left his basementyou cannot handle a shred of pushback and think any 'sweat' move like allowing no takebacks is antithetical to edh, how pitiful
>>98913118>color identityhttps://youtu.be/Y3VMc82gX5I
>>98913130color identity is very clear thoughwhy do you think retards defend it from the evils of hybrid?
>travel for work>never have problem playing with randosEither I'm psychic and always sit at the right table or everyone across multiple states plays basically the same kind of edh
The full Auntie Ool gobproxy deck has now shipped! I am so excited.
>>98913131You didn't watch the 17 second video
>>98913126You managed to drop a post consisting of 100% strawmanning, quite the feat.
>>98913135third possibility: EDH players have a high occurence of "taking it easy" when a new stranger is in the game.
>>98913141color identity isn't a suggestion
>>98913146NTA but sure it is, just because your commander has 3 colors, doesn't mean you can't build it monocolor.
>>98913142you call anyone who doesn't tell you pregame what their 99 can do a cheater, there's no steelmanning you
>>98913146lol idiot
>>98913151>>98913157>i have an esper commander>but i can't put a hybrid card just because it has broccoli in itsure you can allow anything under rule zero and that everything's a suggestion under it, but let's not be THAT stupid
>>98913145Based if true>attention everyone>a dumb shit boomer is in town, pull out your battlecruiser decks >and speak up cause he's going deaf
>>98913162You didn't watch the video and are arguing with someone who agrees with you, retard.
>>98913095>but mine aren't!hard bans are literally not vague guides, they are clear delineations.>i've already shown how easy it is to game your silly little ruleset you've implied one edge case commander, hardly "shown" anything.>no, i think i won't spoonfeed you a simple google search, git gudonly ones i can find are ones that have fast mana and reserved list cards in the landbase. and even with all that, the deck seems slow and fragile.
>>98913173>you've implied one edge case commanderyou think commanders from the cz aren't a dime a dozen? how naive are you really?
>>98913166Now THIS is an edh deck
>>98913172>color identity isn't a suggestion>sure it is>lol idiot>no they actually agree with you!
>>98912722You're supposed to casul mulligan until your opening hand has at least 3 lands, one draw, one removal, and two wincon pieces.
>>98913184>posts another deck that is predictable and very susceptible to interactionlmao you think you are so smart, don't you? these decks already exist and almost no one actually plays them because they are boring glass cannons that do exactly one thing and lose if they are interacted with. i also never said combo was bad or that combos should be banned.
>>98913173>only ones i can find are ones that have fast mana and reserved list cards in the landbaseyou really think that list can't be modified into 72 swamps? are your really that afraid of 4 mana rocks like thran dynamo?
>>98913210>very susceptible to interaction>you see, nothing is more casual than having counterspells and removal always the ready to stop a commander that will go infinite the moment it hits the field, in fact you should mull for interaction aggressively every single game>what do you mean these are cedh play patterns? totally casual!
>>98913166>Oh my god...his painful truths is even signed...
>>98913211still slow and susceptible to interaction.>>98913225>interaction is a cedh thingholy FUCK you're retarded
>>98913235>totally fine with mulling for interaction to stop a combo commander>but um we should ban this and thatwhy would anyone even bother with your shitty rules that won't allow a thing of beauty like this >>98913166 to even have a sliver of a chance to win? anyone with a brain will just play cedh instead
>you play EDH to win and have a good time>I play EDH to simply make the table seetheWe are not the same
>>98913259i'd much rather face stax than chaosat least the stax player will seethe once i blow up their stax pieceschaos players don't care what happens and thus they're actually the most dangerous
>>98913265I have a nekusar deck with all the scrambleverse type random shit.
>>98913259you are truly my brother
>>98913302gavin approved mld btw
>>98913315Because it's not MLD.
>>98913328it's not, but i just use the old song because i'm too lazy to type 'single target land destruction'
You're running enough basics, rocks, and interaction, right, Anon-kun?
>>98913137We don't care that you ordered your own shit from yourself.
>>98913265As the stax player I do not seethe as I know I am as dangerous to myself as my opps.I am he who attritions.The stairs lead down in both directions.
>>98913371You care right now that i ordered gobanons gens, and you'll care again when i post the deck
>>98913347no i don't because i'm safe from your vile ways in the kiddie bracket, ms. blood moon
>>98913347I don't know what a basic land even is but I always have a seal of cleansing in play so blood moon doesn't really bother me.
>>98913383>>98913137Buy a fucking ad.Better yet, spend that money on some cheap razor blades and cut your wrists open that'd be great.
>>98913347No I just have Force of Vigor, Force of Negation, and Nature's Claim with 1 open.
>>98913401I have a lifetime supply of razorblades, but those are for shaving tyvm.
>>98913390man, people in my pod cried when i casted pic related
>>98913510this is a very good example of reading gavin's words carefully>each player>keep lands tapped>he doesn't distinguish between basic and nonbasiceven if you completely ignore zhao's 8 mana ability he is still mld while thalia isn't because of one very specific difference
>>98911991Is Gishath as a commander of an all dinosaur deck a good idea?
>>98913531no never mind, i misread and realized that they don't *keep* lands tapped like winter orb, zhao's blood moon is what makes him mld
>>98913189>there's no rules>ok there's one rule (color identity)There I spelled it out for you
>>98913572your commander needing to be legendary and commander tax being {2} are also rules
>>98913058It's 1/3rd of prosbloom.The part you forgot is cheating.
>>98913537Inferior to Pantlaza due to power creep but yes Gishath is a good dinosaur commander. You just cram 35+ dinosaurs into a deck and then when you get boardwiped you should have enough mana to cast Ghalta to refill the board.
>>98913632We all already have that part. Just like one's commander, if we always have access to it, it doesn't count as a separate card.
>>98911977Didn't seem to do much when I put it in as either a positive prompt or a negative prompt.>>98912000Feel like there's enough interest that I could open an etsy at some point, but I ain't got a printer than can do prints at the quality I would want to sell at, so that's nixed, until maybe tax return season. >>98913137Soon™
>>98913058im a larper who didnt actually play back then (i was 5), that's really cool though thank you.
>>98913632Kek
I don't want to play 3 colour+ commanders because then I feel overwhelmed by choice, that if I have all these colours, I have access to so much.
>>98913604Honestly kills the formatAll commanders should be one time useThat reminds me I gotta put blasting station in my progenitus deck
>>98913665it's not that hardgrixis for example teaches you that it plays best as mono black with counterspells and red removal
>>98912888>WotC has spent over a decade pushing the color to be better in Commander>The entire game now revolves around Commander, so even Standard/Modern releases push itself around being Commander viable>Green, despite all the push, still can't really beat early game 2 card combos, so WotC continues to push the color to shot out infinite value for simple existingBracket System is introduced>All powerful stable cards are turned into Game Changers, and decks are only allowed a certain number of them based on your Bracket level>Design team, who clearly have no idea wtf they're doing half the time, have no idea how this change completely warps the meta, so they still believe they need to keep pushing Green because it still has trouble dealing with B5 CEDH degenerate Dimir cards on the Game Changers listLong story short, Green has WAY too many powerful cards that snowball out of control, while having the best creatures/ramp/draw in the game, and can remove the most impactful cards every other color has to warping the game in their favor (Artifacts/Enchantments), while also being the second best at protecting it's board as well. The color is absolutely cracked so retards can play it, and requires absolutely ZERO skill to pilot.
>>98913671>summon commander>gets pathed>now locked out of your commander for the entire gameReal game design genius over here
>>98913682Yes
>>98912719If I draw a Godhand I let my pod know and tell them to archenemy me or I'll win in a few turns. Its usually a fun time.
>>98913680what's clear is that we need more confounding conundrum variants
>>98913687That would make commander feel too much like magic
>>98913644I would like to be a goblin ass master.
>>98913703Oh no.... that would be TERRIBLE>inb4 wotc would print from exile reanimation in every color just to fuck with the format
>>98913714Everyone does
>>98913347of course, and I run blood moon in B3
>>98913731Fuck off
>>98913671I'm gonna pitch this rule to my group just to try it once. I wanna see how it plays out.
>>98913742No
>>98913671You'd go insane learning what 60-card's commander tax is on casting another copy of the same build-around creature you removed.
Hot Take:You shouldn't be allowed to run Legendary Creatures in the 99. This alone would radically push back a ton of the cancer manifesting in this format, and force WotC to better design cards by having to choose if the creature is a lead or support role.
>>98913806Or they would print the same card but without the "Legendary" text next to their name
>>98913806ardbertbros...
>>98913806Don't call it a hot take, it's a shit take.
>>98910663ABU lands or poor. Simple as.
>>98913779Are them words?
>>98913806You know how they legalized silver borders for like 6 mo after unstable? They should do more limited time format charges and i think this is a good candidate
>>98913837Lands didn't l look good until odyssey
>>98913853>she looks at her lands
>>98913806NGL that may be the worst fucking take I have ever seen in a Commander thread and I have seen a lot of bad takes.It hoses legendary matters, it applies unevenly, striking some garbage cards while leaving non-legendary staples untouched, it fucks creatures disproportionately... I cannot see any part of it that improves the format or even achieves any part of the stated goal.
>>98913806Just bring back the old legendary rule like that one Chad keeps saying. Problem solved.
>>98913868Ahhhhhhhhh fug
Eldrazi Saltsower (aka Chase Mythic Hate Piece)2Creature - EldraziWhen this creature enters, draw a card.Players can't put lands on the battlefield. (This doesn't include a player's land play per turn.)Activated abilities of creatures can’t be activated.Creature cards in graveyards and libraries can’t enter the battlefield.1/1
What other critters enter with lots of counters? Sadly none of the vanishing creatures seem worth playing.
>>98913644>I could open an etsy at some pointYou should. Then whenever you are posting your abortions of proxies we can report you for advertising. People should already be reporting you for being off-topic.
>>98913905
>>98913905Endless one?
hot take:board wipe that turns all nonland permanents your opponent controls into a legendary copy of target legendary creature would be cool
>>98913925Reaper king approved
>>98913925>That sounds like a card that exists>What was that card called?>Go find it.>MirrorweaoveSo close.
>>98913876You've presented absolutely nothing but improvements and act like it would be a bad thing.
>>98913950the hybrid pips are such a letdown on this one, I'd love to throw this in my senile chaos nekusar
>>98913953she cute
>Sitting in a game on MTGO where a Baron Stoutarm is ramping out with 6 treasures from Smothering Tithe and 7 mana>an 8/8 Valgavoth (and growing each player upkeep from Copper Tablet) has 11 mana + Underworld Dreams>Goreclaw has 10 Mana + Beast Whisperer in play with 5 cards in hand>I'm just rocking pic related with 6 mana, and nothing going onI don't think I like this game anymore. Just passive value is all this format is now.
>>98914152Forgot to mention, it's t5.
>>98914152Move down brackets then
>>98914185My Commander likes Vampiric Tutor.
>>98914162all that mana on turn 5 by stoutarm and valgavoth?green is balanced then
Anyone wanna help me build her?
>>98914185>Moving down a bracket would change nothing about this scenario except for TitheThis isn't even real advice, lol.
>>98914241>>98914241new threadnew thread
>>98913680I'm nogames btw not sure if that matters.
>>98914467You're a PS3?
>>9891334719 basics and 3 Rocks, Anon
