5POA (maybe 7POA if you wanna add in elbows or knees) is the superior articulation scheme for all figures 5 inches and under. They're more durable, the sculpt isn't destroyed by excessive joints, and it frees up budget for better/more paint.
>>11191766You don't belong here
>>11191783I don't come here today to belong, I come here to speak the truth.
>>11191766My Super Articulated Clonetroopers from the 2003 Clone Wars line, and their younger brothers from the ROTS line are still in one piece, and they endured 6 foot falls onto kitchen tiles, often at high speed as I ran through the house with a fully decked out Republic Gunship while I was high. And they look better holding their guns than the Commtech Stormtrooper from 3 years earlier with it's gimped articulation.>>11191789The worst thing about the figure on the right is the rubber helmet with fucked proportions.
>>11191766I would rather just have a figurine than 5poa. >the sculpt isn't destroyed by excessive jointsmight be a point in it's favor if they're not following the rigid kenner look, if they are the sculpt is destroyed anway.
>>11191766>They hated him because he spoke the truth.
>>11191766>5 inches andbait thread
>>11191932>bait threadNo, it's my genuine viewpoint, I just acknowledge that when figures move into 6 inch scale and larger that the structural integrity of the joints and their affect on sculpt becomes negligible. That being said, I have plenty of larger Sofubi figures that have 5POA or less and I enjoy them for precisely the reason stated, the sculpts are just as good as a statue, but with added playability.For example I've had this giant Kenner Predator since I was a kid, he only has two point of articulation (shoulders) yet he has always been one of my favourite toys. He spent frequent afternoons menacing many an Action Man and Ken doll (Ken was always the expendable character like the helicopter pilot who dies during the crash landing or the guy that gets his head blown off while driving the jeep the heroes are riding in).
>>11191783you're right, because most of /toy/ doesn't actually care about toys, they just want representations of anime and games they like.
>>11191766>>11191789>>11191976>>11192020so much based packed into 1 little thread
i wish i could add articulation to some of my old 5poa figures. not like a shit ton but enough to at least sit or do the batman pose with his capei think mattels early batman line hits a sweet spot with just adding a waist rotator and knee joints and arm swivels
>>11191766>they can't pose as shown in box art>have a collection, they're all doing the same pose>create a scene. They're all squatting in front of each other>oh no muh paint. Either accept it or paint that one tiny spot yourself.>oh no muh sculpt. If it can high kick and turn its neck up 90 degrees, then destroy the sculpt. Name a single Superman toy that can pull off its iconic flying pose as well as hover when you need it. you can't
>>11192020posing a figure is toyetic and fun, people enjoy the tactlessness of moving the joints just so into place, they enjoy feeling out a stable center of gravity, even when it's just temporary and not for display. there's more to play than wooshing with 5poa.
>11192125I'm a simple man. I see "doki doki" in a filename, I hide the post.
>>11192200Based take
its ok to like both. not everything has to be a pissing contest
>>11191766Incorrect, because 5/7poa gives up articulation and posability for durability, which isn't always a worthwhile trade, especially in regards to adult collectors. For a toddler? Yes, they are sufficiently durable, where a more articulated figure would break, but toddlers aren't browsing 4chan, now are they? The durability of most highly articulated 5" or less figures is plenty sufficient for adult play, so your making a trade for a trait buff that is beyond overkill.Hasbro 1:18 scale figures can endure being thrown across a room, and they have good articulation and paint, and are a prime example of a counterpoint to your retarded post.
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>>11192594>I can't refute the points made, so instead I'm going to try to mock the post.
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>>11192574NTA you few are arguing with but there's no rationale where you can't have a mix in your collection. I wouldn't disagree with OP that a 3.75/4 figure doesn't need some 10-20 POA, and I would disagree that there's some reasons why you want 10-20 POA figures.
>>11192572/end thread
>>11191766>maybe 7POA if you wanna add in elbows or kneesElbows or knees, but not both?
>>11193015You are correct, where theres plenty of room for BOTH to exist, but that's not what OP was saying at all. OP made an assertion that is demonstrably false, and I merely pointed out as much. OP is also coming from a disingenuous position, as noted by the above lack of arguments, so there is no point in trying to discuss anything anymore, despite your (genuinely) best intentions and attempt.
>>11192020Deal with it bitch. Not all of us are in it for the ultimate best action figure ever made. I just want a decent representation of the stuff I like in figure form.
>>11193015>>11193059Original OP here. I won't deny that there is fun to be had in posing figures, I won't deny the sometimes the right type of joint can truly enhance a figure, for example if given the choice I would rather have a ball-joint in the neck than a swivel, and I won't argue that people can have both kinds of figures in their collection, I have both myself. That being said if given the choice between 5POA and 21POA, I would take the 5, because I enjoy them more. Speaking specifically of Star Wars figures because that is the best toyline to judge this kind of thing, I think that the original vintage figures, POTF2, POTJ, and Episode 1 figures are better than their Legacy Collection or Vintage Collection counterparts. I think that the old Kenner Batman and JLA/Total Justice lines are more impressive than the modern Spin Master figures. The reason I think this is because of factors I stated originally, the sculpt is better preserved, and allows the toy makers to make a regular action figure into something more artistic, to inject more personality. You can argue that Kenner were just chasing McFarlane, but I think the Legends of the Dark Knight figures are more impressive display pieces than anything Mattel put out in their entire DC Universe Classics line.As for durability I'm not just talking about figures that can handle being hurled across a room, I'm talking about figures whose forearms sheered off at the elbow because trying to shove a tiny peg into the arm made it the joint weak, or female characters who have giant disproportionate elbows and knees precisely because the toy makers were trying to avoid weak joints. Compare the POTJ Slave Leia to the Legacy Collection version and tell me which looks better, which you trust to play around with more. When comparing the Irwin and Jakks Pacific DBZ figures to SHF, which ones have quality control issues with joints being so loose arms and legs come apart during posing, or that break entirely.
>>11193303I know these are broad statements, I know they might seem like bait, but when it comes to 5inch and under scaled figures, I genuinely believe that 5POA is the superior choice, so long as the intention is to make the best toys possible. There is a difference between a company, limited to 5POA trying their best to create the best version of a figure that they can, like Kenner, like Mattel when they were making toys during the 70s, 80s, and 90s, and companies today who could do better and are purposely making the toys worse and calling them "retro style collectables."
>>11191976Outside of artsy Sofubi for nostalgic boomers like you or cheap sloptrash for very young kids, there is no way in hell new 5poa figures are justified in the modern era when even these Lego sized figures from Mega Bloks have full range of motion with more than double the points of articulation.The prices on these 5poa figures are also ridiculous. They are barely much cheaper than fully articulated figures in the same scale. These aren't so much toys as they are postmodern larps of vintage toys relying on pure nostalgiabaiting in order to charge boomers these ridiculous prices.
>>11193312>The prices on these 5poa figures are also ridiculous. They are barely much cheaper than fully articulated figures in the same scale.This I won't deny, but that's less a fault of the toys themselves, and more of the companies dicking everyone over in the name of their bottom line.
>>11193303I often represent this idea >>11193203>decent representation of the stuff I like in figure form.except I expect better than 'decent representation.'>>11193303>old Kenner Batman and JLA/Total Justice lines are more impressive than the modern Spin Master figures.As representation, no. As a piece of plastic, some of the older Kenner and Hasbro stand up better, as more sturdier figures. Some of the modern Spin Master just looks like really cheap plastic which is why when I found the articulating vinyl, I was surprised and when I was in a Macy's TRU, and came across some Harry Potter figures which I picked up for my niece, I was surprised to see SM manufactured them (in Vietnam, which was also news to me). All the issues with joints, articulation, looses, tight figures, etc., all that are valid points when you get past 5POA, but many 5POA figures have minimal, garbage articulation that they might as well be vinyl or PVC figurines not far removed from a Funko figurine or a NECA Tooney or similar.
>>11191766>>11191789The best articulation scheme in existence is 10 POA: all ball joints at the shoulders, wrists, hips, ankles, neck and waist. Sturdy and varied enough for play, easy to make tons of poses and balance well no matter what.
>>11193417No knees?
>>11193628Knees are usually pretty useless. If the knees and elbows are sculpted at a 150-160 degree angle with a slight bend it will cover most major pose options including being able to sit in cockpits/chairs, get various action stances or running poses, etc. Pic related is a perfect example with this exact scheme.
>>11193324Honestly if 5 POA were cheap and well detailed, I definitely would bulk buy generic monster figures or army build soldiers and background civilian characters. Of course the market seems skewed in the opposite direction and 5POA is generally only made to cash in on pop icons or nostalgia.
>>11193941meh>>11194108>were cheap and well detailed,some older stuff is
>>11191789How would taking away joints make this figure better?
>>11194397>General, your lack of faith has some splainin to do
>>11191766People shit on OP all they want but hes right in that 5POA can be fun to play with. You can like articulated and 5POA figures at the same time you guys
>>11194681I don't play with my toys like an infant. If you can call you photography playing with toys, that's about the extent of it for me.
>>11194378Mcfarlane used to be so well sculpted and painted. Theyve only become utter shitslop with their attempts at "modern" articulation. I really wish I got more of their cod figures back then. Its not 5Poa but it shows I would sacrifice articulation for cheap well sculpted figures.
>>11191766Boomers will say anything to justify liking bad toys
>>11194686>Playing with your toys is bad! >Playing with your toys and then taking a picture of it is good! I've got some news for you
>>11196005I prefer DC Directs over any number of the McFarlane DCMVs precisely because they look better, are better representations of the characters from the books and even from the animation, and I don't have the level of autism/OCD that some have on this board over figurines, statutes and action figures, other than I'd agree that Funko Pops are soulless plastic. Would I object to getting some better designed, sculpted and looking versions of some of my DCDs with better articulation? Of course not. But McFarlane isn't that. I'm not interested in Marvel or have much interest in the characters to care one way or another about Hasbro or Marvel Legends, but what I have seen of other stuff (NECA is probably the biggest example) is that many other collectors seem more fixated with how their stuff LOOKS than how much it articulates. But again, if we're talking Elvira, Stranger Things, etc., I can understand that you don't need massive articulation. But for things like GI Joe and for Star Wars, I would totally disagree that articulation is a non-issue.
>>11196005Getting the Halo license was the worst thing to ever happen to McFarlane. He used to pride himself on having the best sculptors in the business, then he realised that they could just use the game models and fired every one. The company never recovered.
>>11194681But OP doesn't say that, he says 5poa is superior, which implies that it's the only way that they should be, which ultimately is untrue, because they have inferior articulation, which means less pose and play potential.>>11197787Pure stupidity.
Remember those Jakks Pacific Big Figs 5poa was everywhere a few years ago I didn’t like it at the time because prior to that we had such great figures in the late 2000s it was like the culmination of decades of advancement in toy technology then it seemed like everything went in a direction of making toys cheaper to make and that included a lot of 5poa stuff but yeah they could still have good sculpts
>>11197787the four horsemen realizing they could get Mattel money was the first leak in the dam. KB Toys and paces like Sam Goody dying were another. McFarlane toys lost a bunch of places they sold well in and it took a decade to really build back up.
>>111980784H wasn't much of a loss, considering the McStatue phase that is highly praised was done without them.>>11197787Was it really game models? Because it was the switch to 3d modeling that fucked them over, which happened with the Halo 5 i think. Almost everything before that looks amazing.And if they're really using the 3d models, why is no one else using 3d models if their figures can look this good?
>>11191766>the sculpt isn't destroyed by excessive jointsThat's what gets me. I don't like figures that are too visually chopped up.
>>11191766Grandpa, it's way past bedtime, get some rest. Being an osteoarthritic old antique shouldn't be your whole personality, and definitely don't shove it on everyone else for the sake of "media representation".
>>11196005Their halo figures used to have tons of articulation idk what the fuck happened to this brand
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>>11191766If you can't pose your toy you might as well just get a statue. 5POA only exists for literal children to chuck against walls.
>>11197161>Playing with your toys is bad!Yes.>Playing with your toys and then taking a picture of it is good!Posing is not playing.
>>11200603I noticed the decline to slopness when the fortnite line came out. The sculpt and paint suddenly tanked for increased articulation that to this day still isnt well engineered.The Halo guys I got first definitely gave me the wrong impression about Mcfarlanes engineering, any armored or monster figures they make are lightyears superior to human characters they make its like a totally different company. Their 40k stuff is a saving grace.
op a fag
>>11200680>>you might as well just get a statueModern Choices: >highly overpriced plastic is superior to minimally overpriced plastic - no wonder kids today can't make change without a calculator or not fuck up a simple order, they lack basic brain power
>>11200716McFarlane did the halo stuff YEARS prior, and had a great array of articulation, but then after Bungie halo ended, they started to quickly return to prioritizing sculpt, and made "theoretically articulated" figures again. Fortnite saved McFarlane with good articulation again. Sometimes, they lean back into sculpt over articulation, but for the most part, they're making good figures again.
>>11200740that thing on the left doesnt even look remotely human, literally 0 anatomy just tube limbs floating around a potato torso lmao
>>11201551I prefer the well sculpted and painted stuff and would rather have that over the new articulation. Its generally better than Hasbro trash though.
>>11201703Then buy statues. Don't worry, McFarlane loves to make those, too.
anyone have some resources to learn more about toy articulation?
>>11202177Would be a nice option but statues almost never are made to scale with articulated figures.
>>11191766I like 5POA but a lot of companies (mainly Hasbro and Super7) overprice 3 3/4 scale figures nowadays. A part of the appeal used to be the affordability allowing you to buy multiples and now it’s around 18 bucks per figure.There have been some good 5 POA lines like Final Faction but they’re becoming more scarce.
>>11200740Speaking as someone who has both G.I. Joe from that era and that Green Lantern figure. The Green Lantern is way more fun to play with.
>>11202371Hasbro's over-pricing of figures has been one of the biggest detriments to the toy industry in recent years. They have made superficial advancements (face-printing, pinless joints) but nothing truly substantial, yet between that and their griping about switching to plastic free packaging have been steadily hiking prices up to ridiculous degrees. Standard Marvel Legends cost almost double what they did in 2010. I don't know a single collector (myself included) who hasn't made the decision to significantly scale back or outright drop collecting Legends because of the price.
>>11202974many of those gls have more cuts and if you have the accessories and the variant figures, you have more picture taking and playability both - when joes can just really do fight scenes, army type action scenes. I just picked up this mess of toys on EB for under $15 including the shipping. And yes I know a few are from a different Mattel GL line.
>>11191766Oooook, no. Figures with 5 POA were developed to fit into cockpits of vehicles where the legs needed to move up into a seat and the arms up to controls or the arm rest of the cockpit seat. At best toys were die-cast statues and little plastic army men back in the day and couldn't fit into the vehicles they came with.Any decent figure like Mego, GI Joes, Major Matt Mason, etc were given articulation because 'action posing' was the big thing back then. But making vehicles was too expensive for a 12-8" and playsets were out of the question. So enter the 4-5" figures where companies could pitch medium sized vehicles and playsets. They were cheaply articulated just to fit into basic positions.When stuff like Kenner's Mask, Air Raiders, Sky Warriors, Dino Riders, (or whatever the Zipline guys were) came out articulated knees became almost a norm. Then came toybiz's elbow and waist joints. And the rest is history.5poa is not back, ReAction is just giving Kenner Star Wars fans something to expand their retro collections with. Anything else 5poa like Marvel is back to formula, cheap movement so they can fit into vehicles. If you like the clean look and minimalist design, cool. The sculpt and proportions please your eye? Neat, buy them. But don't pretend that 5poa was created as anything more than to sell vehicles and playsets.
>>11203820Not any of the people who have been arguing with you but you're being pedantic and, frankly annoying, with your instance that you know better and your word is law.You can do more than just dump a 5POA inside a cheap playset or cheap plastic hollow toy. You can army build when they were cheap enough. And therefore you can get more toy photography out of them.Yes, you can get a FigArt or Medicom Spidey in far better poses, but you couldn't do a crowd scene of Medicom Spideys unless you were wasting your money buying a shit tonne of figures (or had that many friends who also had money to waste and were borrowing them for a few photographs). Whereas someone with a GI Joe or Imperial Army can easily do army or battle scenes.
>>11203820So what you're saying is, being able to put them in vehicles is another reason that 5POA is better.
>>11196005I need that gas masked figure.
>>11203897I miss vehicles
>>11191766What about 3 inches and 30 points of articulation
>>11203825At that point you might as well argue that static pose army men en masse are better because you can army build them for even cheaper and get even MORE toy photography out of them. Hell, that solution would at least give you access to a wider variation of poses, albeit non-adjustable ones. I mean, the very concept of this thread is shit. Even the OP felt the need to point out the stupidity of their own argument with the nod to 7PoA. I've never owned a 5-inch or under with more than 5PoA and said "Thank God this isn't more interesting to pose", nor have I looked at the weird 3 inch 20PoA model kit I was gifted and despaired at the cuts on the sculpt or the superior posability. There's a balance to everything, and to look at fucking 5PoA and go "Yes, this is perfect, superior to anything else" is just being an obstinate jackass.
>>11209485>"Yes, this is perfect, superior to anything else"That is neither what I typed nor implied/suggested.Don't assume - especially when I clearly wrote that I was not any of the anon's who had been arguing with that person, that I have made any other comments here.Finally, my point was about army building. You are otherwise correct, a 5POA and a 7POA have less you can do with them than a higher POA figure. Likewise, a one room cabin has less space than a two bedroom apartment, and both have less space than a three bedroom home, and all three of those options are definitely smaller than a one acre mansion. Being obstinate that 'bigger' or 'more' is better misses some points. Some people can be perfectly satisfied with a one room cabin. Some people may have no choice otherwise, etc. etc.
>>11209737Allow me to clarify.My notation of>"Yes, this is perfect, superior to anything else"Was in relation to OP, not to you. Your post was not worded, phrased, nor carried an implication of being an obstinate jackass. Apologies on my end for any implication of such.
>>11209764NTA, and I wouldn't have apologized, especially since he did say "Being obstinate that 'bigger' or 'more' is better misses some points. Some people can be perfectly satisfied with a one room cabin. Some people may have no choice otherwise, etc. etc.", which completely missed your point about "balance". Also, his example was just terrible, as more land is basically ALWAYS better, ESPECIALLY in this economy!5poa does have a function to serve, be it sufficient durability for small children, or affordability for army building, but neither of these trump the ability to pose in more than "standing" and "sitting".
>>11209485>At that point you might as well argue that static pose army men en masse are better because you can army build them for even cheaper and get even MORE toy photography out of them.
>>11210331>as more land is basically ALWAYS better, ESPECIALLY in this economy!
>>11209737>>11209485>>11203825"Could" army build. You can't do that with the price of 5poa today. There's no army building with Super7 prices or any 5poa Hasbro figures that are $11 plus tax. Unless you're hitting up the Dollar Tree for Final Faction figs you're out of luck.
>>11191789Just get… a statue
>>11215647I actually just last night checked out a Dollar Tree that opened up near my neighborhood (an old 99 Only that had way better crap than that dive store does). I thought some of the dollar plus puzzles would make great stocking stuffers, but you're right, those Final Faction toys look junky. I'd rather drive ten miles further to hit the Big Lots and pick up some of those actual US Army or other discounted things for that purposes.
