So I'm reading decluttering books. So far they are obvious Info or written by mentally ill people.Is society ever going to admit being obsessive about tidiness is also a disorder?I've started the kondo book and she is crazy. She tells stories of how she was reading house keep magazines at the age of 5. How she would throw her families things away thst were in storage. Her idea of feminist is to live in a space that looks like a magazine or hotel room. She thinks people are meant to live in what is essentially staged areas to sell products. She does not understand those places are not real. She, like most minimalist do not understand the idea of keeping something to avoid spending money later.Also, her method doesn't actually work for anyone who collects. Everything in a collection could spark joy. That is why most of us buy toys. It is why we amass so many toys. They spark joy. Using joy as a yard stick just means someone will fill their home with things they like . And this is to say nothing for someone with hobbies or crafts or skills. Do we put all the gunpla and model equipment and paint in the trash? The sowing machine? The tools?What is everyone else's thoughts on this? I ask /toy/ because toy buyers are often attacked by minimalist.
>>11224059>Using joy as a yard stickThat's basically the key. Do whatever makes you happy. You know yourself if the clutter is bringing you down, so if the trade off is getting rid of some things then you need to find the balance. I am a minimalist in my home and furnishing. I do like my house to look like a hotel/showroom. Obviously when it comes to figures though, I'm also a completionist, so it's really a constant balancing act between cluttered space and complete displays. Rotation helps. That and having a room dedicated to storage you can just close the door on.
>>11224059Obviously, true minimalism doesn't really work with this hobby or many others. Besides toys, I also collect books, games, props, and have started putting framed art up on my walls. While my figure collection's mostly contained to my home office, I wouldn't want to live in a bare, sterile looking environment. That said, you can still use decluttering strategies like figuring out what sparks joy with your collectibles so that you don't end up in the hoarding situations we've all seen in this hobby. This is why some of us with larger collections rotate or how we decide which figures to sell/donate when we run out of space. There are figures I was excited about when I got them that I'm kind of meh on now years later. Those are the first to go.
>>11224074Yes but kondo would hate your storage room and argue that needing to balance it is a sign you're unhappy.Though I would argue that she is mentally juvenile and it is not possible to always be happy while acting like a mature adult. Only a selfish child who doesn't respect others can always be happy, usually at the expense of others.
>>11224077Yes, but kondo would just have you throw those toys in the trash when you should check the price on ebay and sell anything worth more than 30 and donate anything not worth your time.The relationship minimalist book writers have with trash is kind of crazy. Just throw away 13 bags of clothes as if poor people don't exist
>>11224094A well organized shelf is no more a fire hazard than the wall behind it
>>11224059I am one of the excessively tidy people and it’s way better than being a hoarder with a home filled with catshit. Do I wash my hands too much, maybe? But at least I get compliments when people come over as opposed to the cringe stares of people who can tell I have no control over my buying habits and have accumulated too much stuff.
Kondo is a hypocritical hack and doesnt follow her own guidelines anymore
>>11224059I bought a decluttering book that turned out to secretly be a feng shui book
>>11224121>Do I wash my hands too much, maybe? But at least I get compliments when people come over as opposed to the cringe stares of people who can tell I have no control over my buying habits and have accumulated too much stuff.You seeing this as the only two options is why you are mentally ill
>>11224093Yeah. That just sounds like one of those "only when you give up everything will you truly attain all" philosophies. You could take that to the extreme of sleeping in a cave living off river water and berries. I don't see that making me happy.
>>11224059You seriously need to read a fucking book to tell you how to tidy up your stuff?
>>11224059Her philosophy can be summed up as:You will own nothing, and be happy.
>>11224095>Just throw away 13 bags of clothes as if poor people don't existNothing stops you from donating your clothes
>>11224794>You will own what makes you happyFixed that for you
It's kinda weird to know /toy/ is one of those enclaves on this site where people actually spend money on luxury hobbies.The majority of this site is probably guys who sleep on mattresses with no frames and nothing in the room except a single game system and a computer. Even on other hobby boards
>>11224794No, uts "cleaning is easy if you just throw shit away so there is nothing to clean"
>>11224822Its always struck me as odd that so many women do not collect. They just want some guy to help them pay for a house for them to sleep and eat in and watch reality TV in. Its weird how so many of them don't have hobbies
>>11224059Honestly it's tough to start, but throwing away / donating a bunch of my toys is immensely therapeutic. There are some which I liked as part of a team or because I found them on sale, but I think I'm happier now that I've really cut it back to only the ones I really like and play with for their own merits. Obviously having a clear and sterile home is an opposite extreme, and there are some things which I don't like but need to hold on to for practical purposes, but those aren't things I'm likely to hoard so it doesn't matter. There's a big temptation to hold on to things until I can sell them, but I find the immediate satisfaction and cleanliness of having them gone sooner just by donating or throwing them far outweighs the monetary value for things under like $100
>>11224867>There's a big temptation to hold on to things until I can sell them, but I find the immediate satisfaction and cleanliness of having them gone sooner just by donating or throwing them far outweighs the monetary value for things under like $100Imo kondo is not completely wrong. It is important to target owning things we love. I think the issue most Americans ha e is that we accumulate so many things that are cool but only a handful of those things level up to loved. Not every toy will become a favorite. I've searched my feelings on it and I think a good litmus test is "would I rebuy this if it was deatroyed" and "if I had children, would i want them to have this" If the answer is no, you are probably just keeping it because it mildly interesting or cool or is worth money. For those things you can donate or sell. For selling you can set your own personal worth sell/donate target. Like lets say it has to be $150 to sel. Everything worth less than $150 gets donated.
>>11224881>Trying to justify THAT is inexcusable.The thread is not about just that photo anon.The fact that you fixate on the extremes and ignore comments about more moderate collections shows that you are mentally ill.
>>11224952Yeah I think that’s true on some level. I have a lot of shit that I just kind of own because I own it, it was more exciting years ago but time has gone on and I’m not as enthusiastic for it. I wouldn’t replace most of the toys I own if lost them. They are still cool but they’re not that special to me; owning too much stuff definitely means you can only really love some of it.
How do you guys decide what to keep? With the high fee and shipping, what is your donate vs ebay away threshold
>>11224059Pretty sure minimalism is on its way out. Nobody wants to be a beigecore millennial that spray paints all their toddler toys brown. Maximalism is in right now, hit up IKEA and you'll see the current stock is all mad neon colors and patterns.
>>11225783What does neon have to do with maxism
She's a grifter, much like Jordan Peterson and other self-help gurus. Don't worry Anon, as long as your hobby doesn't become an actual problem for you just buy and keep whatever you want. You decide when it's enough.
>>11225857If you read the book, its pretty clear she was autistic and cleaning was her special interest
>>11224965>it was more exciting years agoI think this is also a very important thing to realise. Just because you don't like something now doesn't mean it was a bad idea to buy it initially. It's okay to buy something and enjoy it for a time, then get rid of it when the space it takes up is more of a liability than the joy it provides. By the same token it's also okay to admit when something isn't as cool in-hand as you thought it'd be, and you don't have to keep it to justify the purchase.
>>11224059>>11225857I don't understand why people are surprised that her method is over the top, or think that she's a grifter for it. It's designed to be an extreme approach to help people who recognise they have a severe problem and are looking for a way to change. It's the same as Gordon Ramsay coming into a failing restaurant and cutting their menu down to three meals. He's not saying every restaurant should run like that, but it's an extreme method to reset and simplify things for people who can't handle it on their own.
>>11224059>Also, her method doesn't actually work for anyone who collects. Everything in a collection could spark joy. That is why most of us buy toys. It is why we amass so many toys. They spark joy.I disagree. As a former completionist and still often impulsive collector, I've learned that it's much more therapeutic to keep what I like. No more scouring and sniping on ebay, more space in general, and nothing defined by how toys should be paired other than from my own ideas. Sparking joy is an actual thing because it's also more room to move, think and clean easily, and a life of cluttery spaces just makes me lazier. Even hoarder shows/psychologists commonly believe that
>>11226083god I gotta get me a woman like that.
>>11226637>I disagree. As a former completionistthat is its own problem
>>11224059She specifically mentions at one point that if you collect something and it makes you happy to makr a special place for it. You really think she's going to tell Japan to stop collecting stuff?
When I moved I threw away like 14 giga nigga size trash bags filled with trash, old papers, old bathroom stuff, cheap dishes, etc. it's crazy how much a (based) person can accumulate.Now I'm in my new place and I've been buying more movies and Lego and comics that I haven't even opened because I have no shelves. So it's a dangerous game between collecting and hoarding.
>>11232747For me I get anxiety seeing shit everywhere and start cleaning frantically. I hate having shit in drawers and things laid around. I cut my collection down in my cabinets from 60 to like 15 and have everything else fixed up in their boxes in 1 container tub. It's tough keeping the hoard at bay though.
>>11224859Women who collect are pretty common, it’s just that the ones with collections you relate to more exist in the nerdy/hobbyist sphere of things. Normie women also collect, they might like shoes or perfume or books just the same as normie men might like cars and guns and model planes. I don’t know many people who are on the normal side of things who don’t collect anything, but the collection doesn’t always fit with what you might see as one.
>>11236128>I cut my collection down in my cabinets from 60 to like 15You're using multiple cabinets to display 15 figures?
>>11236128I dunno why I keep hoarding/collecting because it's not just physical things. I have a lot of digital games I bought and downloaded movies/tv on a drive.
>>11224059Dana White container concept is superior to Marie Kondo
>>11236660To elaborate, I have one tote full of plush and if I buy another one I basically have to donate or sell one to make room. I have one under the bed bin for video game storage, has some space for new stuff but not much. Another bin for toys and I don’t let it overflow.I have an ikea billy bookshelf with the glass windows like picrel that I use to rotate my collection being on display, so I always have different stuff to look at and interact with
>>11236683>To elaborate, I have one tote full of plush and if I buy another one I basically have to donate or sell one to make room.This is a good strategy, especially if you're low on space. I don't rotate and display a few hundred figures at once, but every time I've run out of space(like now) I've fallen into getting rid of a figure if I want to buy a new one, like sacrificing for a summon in Yugioh. I usually put it in storage for a bit to see if I miss it before pulling the trigger.
