So to keep this brief, NECA made a playset of Donnie’s Lab, an expansion to their popular Sewer Lair playset. This cost $300 and was a made to order product only available directly through the NECA store. Well, people started receiving their labs a few weeks ago and some people received 2 of these, despite only ordering 1. Weeks go by and now yesterday NECA starts emailing people who received their labs telling them that they have to return these extra labs to NECA. They even offered $100 gift card to the NECA store for those who do. However, they immediately threatened anyone who doesn’t return the extra will be essentially banned from the NECA store. Flash forward to today and they sent another email saying that by now they should’ve received shipping labels and now saying that anyone who doesn’t return the extra lab will BE CHARGED. This is a clear violation of FTC law. Whether they go through with the charges or not, we’ll see, but this is not a good look for the company for sure. What do other collectors think? Are they in the right or the wrong?
>>11242193This is the first email they sent, the OP image is the email they sent out today threatening to charge people.
https://reportfraud.ftc.gov/i'd suggest anyone dealing with this to file a report immediately
>>11242205Yes, it'll be hilarious watching you all get denied.
>>11242206is it hilarious watching neca flounder and threaten customers because they can't fulfill orders?
they are absolutely 100% in the wrong here and this is going to severely bite them in the ass if they actually follow through on the threat of charging people for it
>>11242206No, OP is right. Companies are not allowed to charge you for items that you did not place an order for. They are allowed to ask the people who got the duplicates to mail one back with a prepaid label, and have the right to prohibit customers who don't send it back from ordering from NECA store in the future, but they are not legally allowed to charge their cards for the extra item if the customer declines to mail it back.
>>11242205I encourage everyone who has received one of these emails to cancel their credit card immediately if they can't afford to spend the time or money on a lawsuit.But if you are willing to go through with the lawsuit, happy trails. This is an open and shut case. Ignore anyone attempting to damage control the situation and acting like NECA are in the right.Consumer law is very clear on this matter, and if NECA follow through with their threat to make unauthorised charges for merchandise the customer didn't order, they are opening themselves up to a whole new world of hurt.
>>11242220Neca are in the right to do this. Hopefully some of the fucks keeping product that isn't theirs get screwed.
>>11242220>if NECA follow through with their threat to make unauthorised charges for merchandise the customer didn't order, they are opening themselves up to a whole new world of hurt.I was googling earlier and I saw that companies get fined $15,000 per offense if they are proven to charge customer cards on file for items they didn't order. Eating the cost and producing another run of these to fulfill order would be way cheaper in the long run for NECA lol
>>11242221Nope. Straight from the FTC.gov website
>>11242221They are allowed to send pre-paid shipping labels and politely ask you to return it, but they legally can't charge you if you refuse. People have to decide if keeping the extra diorama is worth not being able to shop direct from NECA again.
>>11242205Lmao, the ftc won't give a fuck.
>>11242225We have been trying to tell him for the last 24 hours, but he seems to exist in his own little world where he thinks NECA are exempt from federal law.
>>11242227bullshit they won't you think uncle sam is going to pass up the chance to make money on someone else's dime? you don't know how the american government works
>>11242229Lol, it's like you guys don't even live in the real world.
>>11242226>It is unlawful to:>1. Send any merchandise by any means without the express request of the recipient (unless the merchandise is clearly identified as a gift, free sample, or the like) or,>2. Try to obtain payment for or the return of the unordered merchandise.>Moreover, customers who receive unordered merchandise are legally entitled to treat the merchandise as a giftTechnically, they aren't even allowed to ask you to return it. But that's probably a minor offense compared to credit card fraud.
>>11242193Neca CEO must be on crack, right? In what world did he think this would be okay?
>>11242232keep dreaming palneca is either going to very quickly send out another email clarifying this was all an empty threat, or they are going to get fined hundreds of thousands of dollars
>>11242228The law isn't applicable here. You are a moron.
>>11242238>The law isn't applicable here.yes it is. it's clear as can be. you live in a fantasy land.
>>11242238You will need to post the legislation that shows how the law isn't applicable here.
>>11242236I can only imagine someone was fired and the guy who is filling in for him has absolutely no fucking idea what he is doing and sent this email out without running it by legal.
NECA is fucking cooked.
>>11242266They are not
>Stealing is good because NECALiterally nigger tier way of thinking, stop samefagging and making retarded mental hoops to justify your stealing nigger way of life
>>11242278this is not stealingyou don't know what the word means
>>11242282Neither do you
>>11242225Necanon BTFO. How will the company recover???
>>11242278This is stealing in the same way that a McDonald's worker giving you an extra cheeseburger is stealing.
>>11242287Apt comparison, since McDonalds also overcharges for the level of quality product they serve.
>>11242292Hm, no, that just makes you sound even more like a fucking retard.
>>11242292at least mcdonalds would have the decency to tell you to keep the burger because they are aware they cannot legally sell it to another customer once its touched your hands
>>11242282It literally is
>>11242295You sure sound like a faggot, worried about people's hands and all. Get a fucking life.
>>11242299>order a new lab>get an opened, cheeto dust encrusted lab insteadyeah no problem at all
>>11242296It literally isn't. A federal authority has stated that it isn't. I'm sorry that your brain can't proces the complexities of government legislation and the legal system.
>>11242299Literally food handling law, dumbass. Legally food returned cannot be resold and must be thrown out, since they don't know how it was handled after it left the premises.Fastfood places should just let you keep anything that they give you buy mistake even if it means having to give you a free sandwich when correcting an order. But now some scummy locations like the one nearest to me will require you to return mistaken items to get your correct order.That's why I wipe my balls with the burger bun before I return mistaken orders.
post yfw your not a necatard>non-durable goods>non-refundable>pay up kid
>>11242292Hm, yes you are impeccably correct!
>>11242307>non-refundable goods
This must be a colossal fuck up on a scale that they can't afford to just eat the cost of, if they're willing to push ahead with being fined. Whatever knuckle dragging buffoon fucked up in the warehouse will probably be found hanging by a rope made of Randy's sheddings.
>>11242307>yourWay to show what an idiot you are
>>11242235Someone should just email them these website screenshots and a link to the information. It'll give Randy an angry Bert face.
>>11242322Ah, grammar correction. The last bastion for those who lack a real comeback.
>>11242323Randy has nothing to do with it you obsessed retard.
>>11242320Why would I? I didn't mistakenly send thousands of dollars of product to the wrong recipients leaving me with a deficit that will leave orders unfulfillable.
>>11242325Oh, yes, I'm sure this bone headed debacle won't effect him at all.
>>11242307mfw
>>11242317I feel like the people that sent the emails didn't think or check the legality of what they claimed they'd do. Idiots. It would be far cheaper to just do another production run for the people that are missing the Lab than to even do this and risk getting a couple fines. If the FTC fine is really over $10K per infraction, fuck, just eat the cost and do another production run. The buyers without the Labs will have to wait like another 10-12 months, but it'll be cheaper and less problematic
>>11242323I'm pretty sure this whole incident will have him tearing out the last remaining strands of his hair.
>Mattel has to recall entire line of Wicked Dolls right as the movie premiere weekend approaches>Neca sends out duplicate orders to customers and doesn't have enough to meet remaining ordersHasbros, we won.
>>11242353I wonder if it's not someone acting on behalf of NECA, but the origin of the fuck up trying to get people to fix their problem before it gets out of hand and inadvertently made it so much worse. Had they not threatened to ban people in the first email I doubt anyone would have cared and more people would have just shipped stuff back for the free gift card. But now it's getting attention.
>>11242355Didn't they fuck up the Haslab Giant Man and include duplicates of the same face instead of all the faces it was supposed to come with?
>>11242356>return product >get $100 gift card>don't return gift card>scalp it for 5 times it's retail cost since now even people who didn't order it will be desperate to get ahold of it>get banned from Neca store>get a P.O. Box and a new source of payment for future Neca orders
>>11242360They already got their money upfront, what do they care.
>>11242363Yeah, God forbid you be a good person for once in your life.
>>11242368Where did being a "good person" get you in life?
I thought if you sent someone shit by accident via the mail, it was essentially legally there's. Your mistake.
>>11242365Sure, the company wins, but how is that good for the Hasbros that ordered it?
>>11242378In all seriousness, they can easily contact customer service and get the missing parts replaced. It's bad, but overall easily fixable. Most companies make some extra product to account for QC replacements anyway.
Someone should repack a box with any broken figures they own and mail that back to them.
>>11242387Why send a broken figure? You could just send them shit in a box.
>>11242388I think the dramatic irony would be more amusing than the biological contamination.
The damage control in the other thread is really strange. Like, they fucked up let’s see if they get their shit together. But the shills are deflecting necas fuck up onto the customers. It’s so weird
>>11242238if this was legal, companies could ship you garbage at marked up prices and say "oops"! then charge you. See the problem? That's why these consumer protection laws are in place. Neca fucked up, and Neca will not get paid for it. If they actually charge these people, the charges will be disputed rightfully with either the cardholder's respective credit service or bank.
>>11242395Because NECA is actively trying to fix it, but the dipshit customers want to be knobs instead of giving back what isn't theirs. It's the customers at fault now.
>>11242399No, the buck stopped with NECA when they decided to ship a bunch of shit mistakenly; the consumer has no obligation to rectify this whatsoever. Neca can ban whoever they like from their shop, but they cannot charge a customer for goods he did not order. That's just retail, and that's the law.
>>11242398Also for anyone who used Paypal, they always side with the consumer.
>>11242402No, the customers trying to hold onto product that isn't theirs is where the buck stops. They are at fault now.
>>11242383>In all seriousness, they can easily contact customer service and get the missing parts replacedThat's good, but it is still yet another instance in a long line of constant fuck ups from the majority of toy companies recently. I was about to list them, but it would take too long because it is nearly every company.
>>11242395necanon doing what he always does, should surprise no one
>>11242406Like how you're just around to troll the board right?
>>11242406Well if NECA goes bankrupt after being broken in half by the FTC he's going to be stuck having to work at McDonalds again, so he's doing overtime online.
>>11242409What insane story did you pull from your swiss cheese brain now?
>>11242404That's not how it works man. Neca has no recourse under US law, whinge all you want (can't imagine why you would)
>>11242399>>11242404Lmao this nigger is crazy
>>11242408no, believe it or not i only actually come into the tmnt threads to dicuss tmnt, not to defend or disparage your favorite corporate entity
>>11242399Neca could have fixed it by doing another production run. Instead they have chosen to violate consumer law.>>11242404>No, the customers trying to hold onto product that isn't theirs is where the buck stops. They are at fault now.That's what you fail to understand. It is theirs now, according to federal law.As has been posted repeatedly in the last two days:>Moreover, customers who receive unordered merchandise are legally entitled to treat the merchandise as a giftYou simping for a corporation won't change that.
>>11242417>Neca could have fixed it by doing another production run. Instead they have chosen to violate consumer law.That they didn't go this route makes me feel like they can't AFFORD to do that, this could evolve them from Neca Breaka to Neca BROKEA
>>11242411Yeah. Necanon isn't qualified to work at McDonalds.
>>11242417He’s just gonna say they stole it and it’s not really unordered merchandise cause reasons
Is there a chance stores may want to stop carrying NECA after they clearly violated FTC law?
>>11242422>neca brokea
>>11242426It's more likely that they would stop carrying product if this affects distribution. There's been recurring issues over the last few years, and if distributors can't get product to send out to stores due to financial delays then stores may stop ordering from them.
>>11242422If they can't afford to do another production run, then risking a $15000 fine for every credit card they wrongfully charge is corporate suicide. If they try to illegally charge 100 customers that they claim received an extra lab, and get fined for all of them, then they are $1.5million out of pocket. I'm sure a second production run would have been cheaper, and much less of a PR disaster. The anons joking about this being the death of NECA might not be that far off the mark.
>>11242426Literally zero chance.
>>11242429>There's been recurring issues over the last few yearsNo there hasn't.
>>11242431This. NECA just needs to shut the fuck up, stop threatening to do stuff that isn't even legal, and just eat the couple thousands of dollars and do a small second run while apologizing tot he customers who will now have to wait many months for their product. I guarantee an entire second run will not be nearly the cost that even two or three $15K fines from the FTC will cost them. >>11242404You're an idiot. Would the polite thing be to mail the extra items back? Absolutely. But the customer is 100% in the right to also keep the mistakenly mailed product as per US law. That's just how it goes.
>>11242423Good guy Brian has never hurt us this way. Say what you want about his ability to run a business but he’s for the the superfan, the average joe just as passionate about monitos as he is. But randy delved too greedily and too deep and it’s about to sink the USS N*CA for good!
>>11242194This is a colossal screw up on a scale I can't recall seeing in the toy collecting world. Like, how do you even make this kind of mistake? That being said, they should've left it at this and got as many items back as possible and figured out the rest after. Paying for the shipping is the least they could do, but offering gift cards in return should've been a good incentive to get most people to return the second copies. While it may be hard to believe going by the internet, most people aren't dicks and I can see a majority of these things getting sent back. But then to escalate into threats? Illegal ones at that, well that just got a lot of people to not want to go that extra step of returning these things.>>11242317I can see an item this big with it's made to order status being incredibly difficult to re-run. Not just for the cost of actual production, but for the time it would take to actually reproduce and ship out these items. Who knows if the tooling is still in workable condition as I doubt they'd use the same materials in limited run molds as they would for a more mass produced product. >>11242360While that's still a big screw up, that's a very easy fix that I'm sure Hasbro would be all over by just shipping out the missing face plates. Most companies have extra parts on hand for situations like that, and I can only imagine they'd have even more stock of the faceplates that got left out of the box to ship to customers. >>11242388Because a box of human feces would never make it out of the distribution center and could easily lead to federal charges brought against the shipper for sending an improperly packaged biological hazard to an unwilling recipient. The last thing a postal worker wants to smell is a box full of your shit, and rest assured they would eagerly get law enforcement on that right away.
>>11242473Kek
>>11242399>giving back what isn't theirsit became their property when it was delivered.
>>11242451>limited run moldsYou're completely right. I hadn't even though about that. Since this was a very large, very small run item, there's no way they got proper steel tooling made. That would have been too costly. Probably some higher quality engineering resin printed tools or some other very temporary-use thing. So running more may cost them more than if they had proper steel tooling done, but it's still their fuck up to fix. They're definitely not going to recoup all the costs associated with this blunder.
>>11242484>there's no way they got proper steel tooling made.You would be very, very wrong about that.
>>11242484The walls of the lairs are all the same mold, right? Those parts may still be usable.
>>11242488Prove it.
>>11242488You know how much steel tooling for parts such as these super big ones for the lab would cost? No way.
>>11242490You're right. Walls and floor are all the same as past lairs, just with new bits stuck onto the walls. In that case, why the hell aren't they just doing another run?
>>11242501Couple of factors I imagine. It takes several months for the factory to be able to shift to a new run since they're booked out pretty far in advance, the order number would be smaller so they'd be paying more per unit than the original batch, and it would naturally result in a significant delay for those customers so they'd be risking additional chargebacks and complaints.
>>11242509Right, but surely that's better than threatening to illegally charge customers. I just can't believe nobody at NECA knew that was illegal and even sent out those emails. If they do that and get even just 1 of those FTC fines for 15grand, that would probably be more than an entire replacement run for just those that need replacements.
Send it back to them broken.
>>11242531That's why there are theories that the sheer volume of extra units sent out by mistake could be a disastrous financial burden. It could be as bad as the entire order in the hands of HALF of the people that bought them, possibly even less. There were plebbit posts where the same thing may have happened with the baby Beetlejuice, so this could be more widespread than just the lab. The company isn't exactly playing with billions of dollars in revenue, they're a successful niche toy company so they make decent cashflow but something like this could impact the finances they need to keep future lines running. It's going to be a rough Christmas at NECA this year.
>>11242532So send it back to them in the condition it arrives in. Got it.
>>11242539It wasn't broken to begin with.
>>11242536To add to this, the proposed tariffs on Chinese imports would also affect basically everything NECA produces right now since, unlike Bandai, they haven't moved all their production to Vietnam. A lot of this stuff is sold with a shockingly low margin, probably netting no more than $50 per unit in profit after the cost of production, shipping, and distribution. Tack another 15% or 30% onto importing 200 units you're going from a cost of $250/unit to $287. If even 100 of these things are lost, that's $28,700 alone that you are spending to replace them, and these expensive diorama pieces don't sell in the thousands. There's probably 300 or 400 of them max. There's kinda just no winning in their position here, threatening people probably had a Streisand Effect and probably just made things worse than cutting their losses, offering the return bounty and refunding anyone they couldn't fulfill the order for.
>>11242387
>>11242558They made Pacific Rim figures?
>>11242536>>11242550Shipping delays and this means something fucked up bad at the warehouse. They should have just given refunds and offered store credit alternative hoping people would take that. I’m definitely reconsidering buying from them ever again if they don’t apologize and fix this.
>>11242536I get it, they're basically financially fucked no matter what in this situation, but who the fuck thought threatening customers and blatantly suggesting they will do something illegal is the right course of action? Now they're probably going to lose future customers because of how badly they've tried to handle this. Double whammy.
>>11242558Based as fuck
>>11242558The first NECA product I purchased was a portal 2 robot. It had similar QC issues and turned me off to the company.
>>11242360It was just one of the sets of eyes and they are already shipping out replacements for free if you contact them.
>>11242238LOL
>>11242484>>11242497The individual pieces of the diorama aren't high pressure injection molded parts like their action figures, so the molds don't need to be made from a material as resilient as the molds for high pressure injection molding, but will still last just as long, if not longer, and are much much cheaper to tool.>>11242550>There's probably 300 or 400 of them max.There were about 2000 produced as seen in picrel, but we don't know if that was the entire production run. Despite what the damage control anon says, I believe it was. >>11242488I always knew you didn't know shit about how toys are made and that every post you made in the NECA threads claiming otherwise was a larp.
>>11242678And your beleif is total bullshit, you know absolutely nothing at all and let your massive ignorance steer you. You should quit talking.
>>11242686>And your beleif is total bullshitNo, it's not a belief. I know you are a larper.>let your massive ignorance steer youSays the anon that is on day three of defending NECA for violating consumer law.You should quit breathing. Other people need that oxygen more than you do.
Bribing your customers is one thing, threatening them is another. The way this should have been handled is by offering the 100$ whatever coupon plus say that any further purchase from them will illicit the 300$ charge on top if they don't return the product. They even made fun of this exact situation in movies:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SazFMM4HxZQ&ab_channel=filmbuffzoneTL;DW>guy argues on the phone with a company that sent people unsolicited monthly records then threatened them with legal recourse if they don't pay
>>11242694>any further purchase from them will illicit the 300$ charge on top if they don't return the product.That would still be illegal. They should have just cut their losses, announced another production run of the lab and put it up for preorder for anyone who didn't jump on it the first time, and offered refunds to anyone who didn't want to wait. Shit, they could have done another production run of the lair and potentially increased the demand for the second run of the lab, because who wants the lab without the lair.
saw this on hatter's stream, pretty sad to see this kind of response after such a huge screw up on their part, threats out of desperation
Blaine has added his two cents from the peanut gallery.
>>11242282No company has the right to forcefully charge you for what you literally did not buy and they sent you by mistake.
>>11242729Oh you mean a post that doesn't exist? Cool fake. You are an obsessed retard.
>>11242741>he already deleted itWhat a cowardly faggot.
>>11242193>less than 24 hours old and the thread isn't bumpingNothing suss about that. How the fuck is Reddit less pozzed than /toy/ these days?
>>11242745You mean you faked it
>>11242729Literally who? How do you homos keep up with all these literal ransoms?
>>11242750It's a hate filled obsession. Truly disgusting to see.
>>11242748If you think I faked Blaine trying to guilt trip customers who received two labs, which is the exact same tactic the company has officially used, you might be suffering from a paranoid delusion.I would have at least slipped in a joke about his regular trips to the local gloryhole instead of making the whole post a sanctimonious exercise in pomposity.>>11242750Toy designer for NECA.
>>11242746It is definitely a little weird that this thread stopped bumping. Somehow not considered off-topic or rule breaking enough to outright delete but someone on the moderation team obviously doesn't want this seeing much light. Very odd.
>>11242760It's because you quickly devolved into trolling and e-gossip.
>>11242764Discussing a toy company acting illegally against its customers isn't e-gossip.And the only troll in this thread has been you. All you have been doing is making outrageous statements to provoke others.
>>11242760no worries, we can always just make another thread!
>>11242783Then that one will be deleted.
>>11242783We could always move the discussion back to the Neca thread. It was a bit of courtesy that another anon started this thread so that the next Neca general didn't get preoccupied with this incident, but if the company sycophant wants to report this thread, there might only be one course of action. Funnily enough, the company sycophant has been so obsessed with doing damage control in this thread that he still hasn't made a new general.
>>11242787Nope, then you're off topic shitposting and that's against the rules.
>>11242793Talking about the company's criminal actions and eventual insolvency would be on topic.
>>11242794Things that aren't happening? Yeah, that's off topic. And you just want to troll. So no.
>>11242794Not toy related, e-gossip. Not allowed.
>>11242795>>11242796You have to be getting paid for the amount of damage control that you are doing, which means that every thread and post you make promoting their toys is violating Global Rule 11.
>>11242795>>11242796Lmao no wonder the jannies deleted some of my posts in the other thread. This discussion policing is the worst form of cancer.
>>11242785why would it be deleted? calm down necanon
>>11242741>>11242748just checked the instagram, that post is still in his stories
>>11242696This is exactly what should've happened. Eat the loss, announce that loss is getting eaten but make it clear that they will do right by customers who got screwed, while cancelling accounts of people who didn't return items they knew were for other people. Going into threats is never a good look for a company, especially after it was their own screw up that caused the problem, but asking for a community to put their best foot forward while rewarding those who do will work out far better in the long run, especially for a "small" company like NECA.
>>11242828The real funny thing is how neca is notorious for never answering customer emails and then they expect their customers to instantly comply with these commands sent via email
>>11242206He's not wrong, though, modern consumer protection laws aren't anything you should openly fuck with. That's considered an unauthorized payment, as it was just imposed on them with no consent from the payer, it's textbook fraud. Shit gets lost in the mail all the time, and there's no way to know they even received the package. What'll be funnier is if they try and charge the customers, because they'll have to eat every single chargeback fee they're stuck with. They'd be idiots to try this.
>>11242842>What'll be funnier is if they try and charge the customers, because they'll have to eat every single chargeback fee they're stuck withNot to mention the $15000 fine per fraudulent transaction.
>>11242581They were in every Walmart and Target across the US for a few years, well after the movie was out of theaters. I think they were some of the earliest figures they carried in their now-dedicated "premium collectables" section.
>>11242832And you'd be wrong about that
>>11242875The only one wrong here is you Mr concern trolling neca shill
Everyone keeps copypasting the FTC blurb like it's a silver bullet, and it really might not be. Your first mistake, the FTC site it not law, it's an explanation or summary of the laws and rules for a lay audience, not the law itself. So if you're relying on that as the end of the discussion on the matter, you're just showing that you're an amateur. The law in question seems to be this one: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/39/3009 But luckily, it seems to be pretty close to what the FTC site says. But your second mistake is interpreting a law in plain language instead of legalese, which is basically never the case. Lawyers and judges are things for a reason. So in this case it seems to plainly say that "unordered merchandise" is something that you did not request or consent to. But you did request and consent for NECA to send you a lab diorama. But you didn't request or consent to the second one. Does that matter? I don't know, I'm not a lawyer and neither are you.It took all of two minutes of googling to find lots of discussions on this topic that suggest it's really not that simple. The common examples given are things like if I order an iPad, and I get sent a case of five iPads, do I get to keep the extra four? Or if I order NewGadgetZ5 for $100, but they send me NewGadgetZ10 that's worth $1,000, do I get to keep it? There are lots of good arguments that no, you don't. That the sender is allowed to ask you to take reasonable action to return it (as long as they pay for shipping). And if you don't they can press charges against you.
>>11242961Because even though the plain language of the law cited above makes it seem like both of those situations are "unordered merchandise", that's not all that matters. First, there is the letter of the law, and the intent of the law, and they don't always agree. Which is again why lawyers and judges are a thing. And it's very clear that the intent of that law was for companies that deliberately send you something and then try to get you to pay them for it, not for companies that accidentally send you something. Many many years ago I joined one of those DVD movie clubs. Eventually I fulfilled the obligations, and I cancelled my membership. Several months later I got a box from them with a few DVDs and an invoice. I emailed them and said I did not order them and I wasn't paying, and I never heard from them again. That's a pretty clear case where they clearly intended to send me something that I did not order. But the plain text of the law doesn't mention if the intent of the sender matters. So does that mean it actually doesn't matter? I don't know, I'm not a lawyer and neither are you.But how do you know that it was a mistake, and not NECA trying to commit fraud? Well the fact that they're so forcefully demanding their return is a good argument that they did not deliberately send you the second lab. And trying to argue otherwise will just make you look silly.
>>11242963Second, there may be other laws that apply to this situation. I found some state laws that said things like the state equivalent unordered merchandise law specifically doesn't apply to anything mailed in mistake in response to an order, which pretty clearly describes the lab diorama situation. And I found another state law that said one of the definitions of larceny was keeping something that was sent to you by mistake. Are there an equivalent clauses in the federal laws, since we're dealing with interstate commerce? I don't know, I'm not a lawyer and neither are you.And there are still so many other ways this could go wrong for you or for NECA. Let's for the sake of argument say that they are legally allowed to demand the return of the second lab diorama, and are allowed to charge you if you don't return it. I've seen multiple posts by people who say they got these emails but didn't get a second lab, and one person who said they hadn't even ordered the lab at all, and in fact hadn't ordered anything from NECA in a long time. So if these people are telling the truth, what happens if NECA does charge them? Do you tell NECA you didn't actually get one? Do they believe you? Do they have to prove that you actually got it? How do they do that? Tracking might show it was delivered, but what if it was delivered to the wrong address? Or was stolen before you got home? Or what if you moved in the months between when the first and second one were sent? Then you wouldn't even know you were sent the second lab until you got those emails since reportedly there was no tracking information or any other communication sent about these second shipments. So what happens then? I don't know, I'm not a lawyer and neither are you.
>>11242966And if they can legally demand you return it, what counts as reasonable action on your part? They apparently already sent shipping labels, so that's one point for them. But these are big heavy boxes, what if you don't have a way to get it to wherever it needs to be dropped off? Are you supposed to lug that huge thing on the bus or the subway? They don't even have fucking handles! What if the only dropoff location is on the other side of town that takes forever to get to and a lot of gas and you have to take time off work to do it? Or you're disabled and physically can't get that big box out the door? Or if you just don't have a printer to print out the label? (and they shouldn't be able to expect you to pay to print it). Will there be an option to have the second lair picked up instead of being dropped off? And if this is actually legal, how long do they have to request the merchandise back? Do you have to hold onto it indefinitely? It's been months! Is there a cutoff where you can reasonably assume that they don't want it back? Could they have waited a year and still made the same demand? I don't know, I'm not a lawyer and neither are you.But let's say you got a second lair, and none of the above apply to you. You could certainly try telling them that some of the situations do apply to you, and then if they do charge you dispute the charge with your bank. But then you're taking the chance they don't come back with some sort of evidence that you did receive the package, like a proof-of-delivery picture, and then you have to say it was stolen. But you still run the (however small) risk of things escalating and you ending up sitting in a deposition or in front of a judge under oath. Or maybe they send your account to collections, and whether they're right or wrong or it's legal or illegal, you still have to deal with all of the consequences of that. Is that really worth it?
>>11242968So hopefully I've made a clear case that the FTC copypasta everyone is hanging on isn't necessarily as clear cut as you think. So please stop acting like it is. This is absolutely not a simple situation, and I really don't know how it's supposed to be handled. Because I'm not a lawyer, and guess what, neither are you (unless you actually are then please for the love of god chime in)
>>11242961>>11242963>>11242966>>11242968>>11242971You need a hobby if you literally have time to dissect text on a 4chan thread and write a fucking novel.
>>11242977This has the right amount of experimentation and unsettling vibe as the original song, anon. Brilliant stuff. I will repost it again and again for a long time.
>>11242987Good, easier to ban you
>>11242987Thanks anon! Just doing my part.
Did anyone here actually receive an extra lab?
>>11243046I seem to recall one anon in the tmnt thread that said he did. But I also think few people here even ordered one, because most people were saying it was a rip off to begin with.
>>11242961>>11242963>>11242966>>11242968>>11242971Here is a screencap of a post on Plebbit that has examples of legal precedence and citations of Acts that show NECA is in the wrong. And before anyone wants to cry about how pozzed Reddit is, this thread in /toy/ has been on autosage since 4 hours after its creation, so this board is absolutely more pozzed than Reddit, and the damage control for Neca on this board goes beyond just one thread autist who really likes Neca. Reminds me of when the shitty Four Horsemen group on Facebook shut down conversation about Megalopolis taking people's money and not delivering product because the owners were friends with the group admin.Anyway, the first reply in that thread is from someone who received that email from Neca, and asked them on Twitter why they received the email with a screenshot of their order history proving they never ordered the lab. Neca's response was to block that person. I'm not screencapping every post in the thread. Go read it if you want. Or don't. I don't give a fuck. I'm not a lawyer either. But the way Neca have handled this, in addition to the shadow banning of discussion here, has put me off buying anymore of their products. I will complete my Manhattan clan of Gargoyles and then I am done. I honestly hope they go out of business and maybe someone like Nacelle hires the sculptors and painters that clearly have talent. Everyone else at that company and anyone that supports them like our resident autist can get raped by dickwolves for all I care.
>>11242193Neca seems to be getting themselves into a few controversies lately. The gay couple that sculpted their Bride of Chucky dolls claim Neca fucked them over. They have another post I'm looking for where they claim NECA underpaid them as well.
>>11243255This isn’t looking good for NECA, this is turning into a PR nightmare. They need to put out something soon saying they’re doing another run of the labs.
>>11243255Neca is run by criminals, simple as
I’ve seen several lawyers chime in on the situation and it seems like NECA may be in the right afterall. The FTC law is to combat against scams, not accidental shipping faults. They seem to be within their rights to charge them if they don’t ship it back.
>>11242484Aluminum tooling (which breaks down much faster than steel tooling) is possible in cases like this.>>11242509Setting up the assembly line again and ordering far below MOQ (with the additional penalties that costs) means rerunning this is very unlikely on the costs front. Massive costs. The most likely endgame is them just refunding those they can't fulfill and saying 'sorry we fucked up'
>>11242227That's literally all they do shit head. How old are you and what race? Are you on the spectrum or are legit retarded? People like you, who spout misinformation confidently, need to be publicly shamed and shouldn't have the ability to chat on the internet. Shut the fuck up and let the rest of us laugh and discuss how neca's Fulfillment team is on suicide watch. Anyways, who's to blame? Fulfillment, or accounting? Lmao this is wild it sounds like the person who is going to lose their job wrote that threatening email. Trying any scare tactics to get these plastic boxes back is crazy.
>>11242729Shut the fuck up Blaine. Hate it when these faggots who get free shit from the shitty company try to brown nose and virtue signal. Like shit the fuck up. Neca fucked up and those who got 2 good for you. Neca should have to go back into production and make more. Plain and fucking simple. For the price you retards paid for it you should all be receiving 2! Shut the fuck up Blaine and faggots like yourself (obviously know he's not you - unless he is lol)
>>11243555>Hate it when these faggots who get free shit from the shitty company try to brown nose and virtue signaluhh blaine works for NECA as one of their main designers…
>>11242193>CANCEL YOUR CARDS OR JUST WAIT FOR THE FRAUDULENT CHARGES AND CALL YOUR BANK AND HAVE THEM STOP THE CHARGE (THEY WILL JAVE TO ISSUE YOU A NEW CARD ANYWAY THO). This is pretty entertaining. They overcharge for this piece of shit anyways haha.. you all do deserve 3 of these players. Neca will have to make more. Don't fucking send them back! Don't let faggot no name corporate cock sucker's and people on the payroll influence you. Fuck them and merry Christmas.
>>11243559Thanks. This solidifies what I'm saying - even better, he works for them and gets free shit from them - of course he's gonna virtue signal and take the stance in support of the company. Like everyone's saying, neca is fucked - they need to email everyone that's not getting one and give them a realistic timeframe on when theirs are gonna ship because guess what, theyre gonna have to make more.. End of story.
>>11243548Nah anon, the FTC isn't going to care about this.
>>11243680The FTC might when Neca illegally charge the card of someone who never even bought the lab. Which, going by the sheer incompetence of the company, is very likely to happen.
>>11243692Lol, lmao even. Keep hoping I guess.
>>11243374I've seen no such claims.
>>11243692Except it won't. They know who has the extras.
>>11243374Nice try, Randy.
Unfortunately, the legal advice subleddit has said NECA is actually legally in the right here (as I initially suspected since the US hates the little guy and loves corporations and would never make laws that hurt them. I firmly suspect that somewhere in US law normal people are probably legally obligated to pay a CEO who punches them and hurts his hand in the process' medical expenses). But most people have been convinced by that FTC message which is for where the sender intent is different. It's gonna get crazy. This drama is going to go even harder once NECA starts charging people for the playset they didn't take time out of their day and gas money out of their pocket to drive somewhere to send back. Get ready boys, it's the rich eat the poor LIVE on USA Tonight.
>>11243925Oh but as we know, the only people who can tell you the law about your situation is a lawyer or judge, so consult your local lawyer today! Over toys :(
>>11243374Yep, saw that too. Neca was in the right the whole time.
>>11243374>Ship out a handful of duplicates>Mass email every buyer claiming they all received duplicates when less than 20 have been confirmed>Forcibly pull payment from accounts for all the "thieves" Oh so it's an actual scam, since NECA has already been caught sending the warning to people who only purchased and received a single unit. Once the credit card fraud goes through Randy is probably going to cash out and skip town.
>>11243937Nice try Randy.
>>11243374>things that never happened for 1000Blah blah blah. Fag-oos in the comments will say anything to support there dumb shit arguments. Neca will have to produce more. They will get all their charges canceled. The only petty right they have is to black list your current account. That's all, enjoy your $300 plastic wall playset. If they charge you call you bank - cancel fraud charge - get new card issued. If neca emails you saying "i hate you were never shipping our cheap shit to you again" - create a new account shipping to a new address. Problem solved.
>>11244019The costs would be insane for NECA to produce more due to the way Chinese toy factories work. That is not really an option for them. The most likely thing to happen is they will cancel the orders of the people they can't send any more to and apologize.
>>11243990They didn't mass email anything. They've only contacted the people that got extras. They -know- who has the extras.
>>11244039They sure don't seem to, otherwise people wouldn't be saying they got the emails without ever having even received 1 lab.
>>11244040You realize those were people lying, right?
>>11244042No, I am quite inclined to believe them given this entire situation.
>>11244045I’m one of those. I sent them a screenshot of all my orders from their store page, email confirmations, etc. proving I never bought the lab but they said I better pay up or else
>>11244045Then you're gullible as hell.>>11244048Right here, we have a liar that can't even tell a good lie. Can't even make up a realistic story.
>>11244049Get your house in order before you try and pressure me, I did not order a lab. It wasn’t from a separate email address, your system is flawed
>>11244049Even if that anon is lying the story is certainly quite realistic right now.
>>11244052It isn't realistic at all.
damn, this whole debacle neca did led me down the rabbit hole of blainerthings being a pedo in the toy community, wtf is going on kek.
>>11244053If you say so. Doesn't change reality.
>>11244055NECA are a wretched hive of scum and villainy.
>>11244065No, that's the toy community who think they know more than the toy company trying to make things right.
>>11244055What are you even talking about?
>>11244082Some fag who works for NECA tried to get a 14 year old boy to send him lewds.
>>11244082https://youtu.be/_oF9N4KWIqM?t=3356allegedly blainerthings(neca toy designer) was sending shirtless pics of himself to a 14yr old boy.
>>11244092Randy must fire necamutt
>>11244042Trust?:Human OR corporation. Which one?
>>11244092Is anyone really surprised?
>>11244198The necallectors need to be informed about who they’re supporting with their dollar when they buy nondurable goods. It is an ugly side to the toy industry but there it is.
>>11244204You need to eat shit and fuck off with your gossipy bullshit.
>>11244092Uhh blainerthings is a passport bro? That’s based
It's crazy how all the interference being run here is just one dedicated schizo. I don't understand why.Even if neca aren't retarded enough to actually follow through with their (definitely illegal) threats, they could still be sued for even making them.But putting aside the legality, I don't know how the dumbasses didn't think it might be bad PR to threaten customers for the company's fuck up.I certainly won't be buying neca products after this.
>>11244218They really have no other option but give out thousands upon thousands in refunds to people whose sets they no longer have due to the shipping error. Corporations are angry and dangerous beasts when cornered.
>>11244218Actually the "threats" are entirely legal. A bunch of legal experts and lawyers on Reddit already went over this. Neca has done nothing wrong and the losers trying to keep from sending anything back are in the wrong. Which was obvious from the start, but yeah. That FTC shit doesn't cover their sorry butts. It's not bad PR to offer to pay for shipping back and give $100 for the trouble. Only idiots would get up in arms over that.
>>11244198>>11244205>>11244078>>11244042HOLY DAMAGE CONTROL BATMAN!!!Can someone confirm if the same person and IP? Makes me think it's the NECA pedo himself coming in here.
>>11244228>legal experts and lawyers on RedditThere isn't a consensus, and if precedent has already been set in court, then you can guess what will happen.Postal Organisation Act (39 U.S.C. § 3009) protects consumers from being charged for unordered merchandise, and also covers duplicate items sent in error, and precedent has been set.Federal Trade Commission Act (15 U.S.C. § 45) is the one that is in dispute by the Reddit "legal experts."Fair Debt Collection Practices Act (15 U.S.C. § 1692f) is the act that protects consumers from unfair debt collection practices, which charging customers cards without authorisation is considered. Threatening to do this is quite literally a PR disaster.
>>11244228>A bunch of legal experts and lawyers on Reddit already went over this.The only one posted here refutes that claim, do you have any screenshots to back it up?>It's not bad PR to offer to pay for shipping back and give $100 for the trouble.If that was all they did I'd actually agree, but they also threatened to charge customers for their mistake (illegal), and also ban them from their site (not illegal, just childish).Necanon, sincerely, why do you feel so compelled to defend this company?I genuinely want to understand.
>>11242205Better do it quick. The incoming administration doesn't mind fraud at all. Supports it even.
>>11244251Honestly it's most likely Blaine Rodenbaugh doing damage control because he runs NECA's branding, of course he's prob made a few reddit accounts and refreshes this page constantly.
>>11244249Nope, none of that is applicable in this case.
>>11244251>(illegal),Not illegal at all in this case. The circumstances give NECA the right to seek compensation. Rightfully so.
>>11244258You didn't have enough time to read the actual legislation written for each of these acts, or any of the court cases that set precedents, so you wouldn't know how these are applicable or not.
>>11244251>Necanon, sincerely, why do you feel so compelled to defend this company?it's clearly his autistic fixation. he's been trolling this board for over a decade doing this. all it does is make people like neca even less.
>>11244261He's going off what ledditors said on legal advice subleddit, it's easy enough to find the posts. It's really baffling to me that the law is so unclear that normal people can't even interpret it and have to have lawyers interpret it like chicken entrails. This really isn't a good system.
>>11244289>it's easy enough to find the posts.And yet none have been posted here.
>>11244301Nobody is going to spoonfeed you, baby.
>>11244261Same goes for you, pot.
>>11244039>a problem with the flawed shipping system unknowingly sent unintended duplicate orders>but we trust the information said system provides that says where they shipped toWeeooo weeooo! Retard alert!
>>11244303Doesn't seem to be a problem for people saying neca is legally fucked.I wonder why no one has posted any evidence they aren't?
>>11244372Because all written law and legal precident sides with the consumer in this scenario. Armchair amateur lawyers on other forums of discussion have scoffed at these claims only to btfo when actual lawyers and lawstudents come in and put them in their place.
>>11244420>Because all written law and legal precident sides with the consumer in this scenario.Nope. You are wrong, Mr. Armchair amateur lawyer.
>>11244546>Nope. You are wrong, Mr. Armchair amateur lawyer. The amateur lawyers on Reddit are right because I said so and I want them to be right. Except for the Reddit amateur lawyers who disagree with the outcome I want. Those amateur lawyers are wrong. Next you'll say you've watched every episode of Judge Judy and Night Court so you know how this will play out.
>>11244218>It's crazy how all the interference being run here is just one dedicated schizo. I don't understand whyThey're either paid to do damage control or they're legitimate brand whores
I've got to wonder why neca hasn't put out a general statement defending their decision yet since this news seems to be all over the collector sites and channels
>>11244647If they don't acknowledge it publicly it will avoid any major news outlet. Right now it's stuck being an issue for a very small niche of people, which keeps it out of scrutiny.
>>11244647Because the law is on their side. There's nothing more to defend.
>>11244653Whether the law is on their side or not, this is a PR nightmare. 99% of people are seeing this as highly negative. This doesn’t look good for them at all.
>>11244647they are most likely hoping this will blow over by pretending it didn’t happen
>>11244657So what? It'll pass as all things do. A bunch of whiny bitches can scream and cry to the Heavens all they want. They're in the wrong and they apparently want to learn that the hard way.
>>11244661You are right, neca can scream at customers to return these all they want but the ones sold on ebay aren’t coming back.
>>11244663And those people will be charged for them for selling merch that wasn't theirs.
>>11244670That will be hard to do when they cancel their credit cards after hearing about all this.
>>11244661>A bunch of whiny bitches can scream and cry to the Heavens all they want.This reads like the actual Neca policy for dealing with customers with broken figures.
>>11244675Then those people fall into more legal trouble.
>>11244677Neca can’t afford to even do a second run of these to make up for their mistake, you think they’re going to pay the legal fees?
>>11244661>It'll pass as all things doI’m not so sure, a lot of people (people that were in NECA groups online, so they were already customers) have already said they’re not going to be buying any more NECA products over this. That adds up.
>>11244683So? Retards make claims like that all the time. Join a protest, accomplish nothing.
>>11244649The thing is that niche of people are exactly the consumers of neca products.
>>11244693Yeah, but that will at worse lose them some of the ethical customers. Without the threat of big daddy government coming down on them because MSNBC covered them flimflamming people it will probably just be business as usual for them since the people really into NECA won't be dissuaded by this. Consoomerism is much more powerful than a vague sense of disgust if it has never personally affected someone.
>>11244707>Without the threat of big daddy government coming down on them because MSNBC covered themYou know, WE can just tip off the journalists on this. Send the story to any mid-sized nerd rag they'll eat it up.
>>11244715You overplay how important this isn't. Especially since Neca is not in the wrong.
>>11244716If they’re not in the wrong then you should not worry about the story getting out, right?
>>11244716Just because NECA may be legally able to do this doesn’t mean they’re in the right.
>>11244719>story getting outYou are adorably naive. You're upset this didn't blow up like you wanted so now you're pouting and making up conspiracy theories.>>11244724They are in the right however. They're not doing anything outside of what any store can and would do. The fact that they've held out such a generous offer to people even shows they're willing to go out of their way to make things right. But customers, as usual, are mindless cattle.
>>11244726I would be more on NECA’s side if they addressed this sooner. Why did they wait months to get these labs back? After so long people probably assumed NECA didn’t want the duplicates back and got rid of them.
>>11244731I will agree with you on that point, it should have been tackled sooner. And it would seem it took so long because of straightening out the computer fuck up.
>>11244726They can’t make this right with these lairs. I ordered a new sealed lair, getting an opened one isn’t going to cut it, sorry.
Mad Hatters vid trolling NECA actually sounds plausible.https://youtu.be/apR3InTYkQQ?si=CrKLhpFnk8m7iw7V
>>11244731>>11244740Some are speculating that an error in their shipping system meant no actual human noticed until there were no more labs to fulfill more orders. The computers run many businesses now more so than the humans who work there. They just do what the computer data says.
>>11244760That's very likely how it happened. First wave of manifests has an error ticking up the quantity, and the minimum wage warehouse staff just did what it said because they see nothing else about the order during the process. When they finally get a couple days into the process suddenly the inventory count they have runs out with several hundred more manifests already confirmed and someone finally realizes something is fucked.
>>11244755I enjoyed this more than I fucking should have.
>>11244042>You realize those were people lying, right?How do you know they're lying, and that neca isn't lying?
Piss on it and let it dry out in the sun before sending it back.Or keep it and sell it on eBay to one of the people who didn't get it lol
What are people who already sold the extra lab supposed to do?
Neca are out of their minds actingike they're owed that shit back lmao. Amazon have sent out thousands more $ worth of stuff and don't charge you for it or ask for it back because they're not idiots.
>>11244883Neca are the dickholes sending that threat around
>>11244885False equivalency.
>>11244940How so?
>>11244885Amazon could also afford to lose a million dollars in cash and still operate like normal. Neca would collapse at a loss even half of that.
>>11244965How much hush money did JW fork over to blaine’s alleged 14 year old pinoy victim I wonder
>>11244940Lol nah
>The entire fiasco has been scraped from plebbitI guess Randy's mod-for-hire finally had a fire lit under his ass.
>>11245615Isn't it funny how the corporate power is so consolidated now that one business helps another even if you'd think there would be no connections between them. It's in their dna. Corporations all know customers are the enemy that must be trampled underfoot.
BBTS once double-shipped me SHF Deadpool and double charged me... ;_;
>>11245690Deserved for liking Deadpool
>>11245615No, it just went nowhere because all those crybabies were in the wrong. And all the up in arms whining was meaningless.
>>11244661Its the turtle completists, they just buy and buy no matter what. Or the neca turtle speculators that buy and sit on it.
>>11245776How much do you think a true turtle completist would pay for the DLab?
>>11246661The $500 for the eBay listing plus all of the sellers legal fees when Randy comes to collect
Rumor is that blainerthings has been quietly let go by the company
>>11246690I need a sauce. Someone in the comments on that 3poa vid claimed to have more receipts on groomerthings, so I wouldn't be surprised if Weinshanker decided now is not the time for another PR disaster.
>>11246690>>11246697he seems to have deleted his linkedin. strange
>>11246913That wouldn't really make sense to do for someone who is out looking for work, since you pretty much need a linkedin to get professional work. I'm skeptical of these claims until we see real statements from people in the know.
>>11247323I checked and it's either been privated or deleted. If this is all true, it would make sense if he knows his time in the toy industry is over and he's going to have to start from scratch. He can start over as one Blaine Rodenbaugh of many, but he won't be able to start over as Blainerthings, former toy designer and known pederast and groomer.Allegedly.
>>11242219And yet they will and nothing will happen to NECA for it.
>>11242225A Trump admin FTC isn't going to give a fuck, if it isn't shuttered entirely. NECA CEO will make a flattering post on truth social to the president and everything will be gravy
>>11247741Because NECA's in the right, legally too. There's nothing that should happen to them for it.
>>11247729I’m pretty sure Blaine admitted to everything, he just said that he didn’t know their age.
>>11247749People will just charge them back.
>>11247760Then those people get into more legal trouble.
>>11247761NECA is welcome to open thousands of lawsuits. They don't seem like a mega corp to me.
>>11244679This guy thinks a company that, according to wikipedia has less employees than an in-n-out, can fund thousands of legal suits they really don't have a 100% chance of winning.Honestly this is the dumbest move since hasbro sent the pinkertons after someone (which could have ended in a shoot out)
>>11247768They do have a 100% chance of winning. The law is on their side here.
>>11247753Sounds like he’s the one in legal trouble
>>11247776>The law is on their side here.No it's not.
>>11247887NTA but I thought the same thing and figured neca fucked themselves but I've seen a post on reddit of a similar situation not including neca and the law states that customers dont have to pay if it was an unordered item UNLESS an item that was sent was a duplicate.https://www.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/q1xidz/in_received_duplicate_package_of_an_expensive_item/So neca might be in the right with this.
>>11247652No offense to gay people but I think what they do is disgusting and I hope this means a little less agenda in future releases
>>11242208NOOOOOOOO! I WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE ENOUGH TO BUY MY 5TH SPORTS CAR THIS YEAR! THESE ROTTEN FUCKING CUSTOMERS THAT STILL BUY FROM AFTER MY SENSELESS COVID INFLATION NEED TO STEP IN LINE WITH MY ERRORS!
Its interesting if consumers are responsible for doing labor to clean up messes made by corporations. I'd expect compensation at my consultancy rate for the effort they are putting me to and earnings foregone that I didn't even agree to. A $100 voucher? Lol no.
>>11249192What are you talking about? NECA offered $100 extra plus free shipping TO THEM. The thieves barely have to lift a finger and get rewarded. You're only proving you'd rather be a scumbag than do the right thing.
>>11249259>$100 to the NECAstore or you can sell the lab and make $300+Not defending it, but I think most people will take the latter
>>11249259>The thievesThieves of what?Being given something by mistake isn't an act of theft.
>>11249265Sell on what? Ebay? And lose most of it to fees? Of course you'd be too dumb to think ahead.>>11249328If they refuse to return it, they are thieves.
>>11249593If the biggest name in toytube is already reporting on this it won't be long until the mainstream media catches wind
>>11249593And you decided to post about it why? Nobody cares. Fuck off.
>>11249612lol, lmao. Get a life.
>>11249593thanks anon I will watch rb’s take over dinner tonight
>>11247776No, you never have 100%. A jury may not agree. This is why the VAST majority of suits are settled out of court. Because it isn't worth wasting millions on a not so sure thing.
>our records fucked up and we sent you an extra one>No you didn't, your records are fucked up
>>11249343>If they refuse to return it, they are thievesYou can't be a thief if you don't commit the act theft.
I hope they get sued into the ground
>>11244255lollmao
Why is this thread not bumping? It hasn’t hit 14 days yet
>>11252763Thread has been on autosage since 10 hours after it was created. No necative threads allowed.
>>11252763Because you idiots started trolling and trying to dox people immediately
>>11252955>dox people immediatelyWhere? Show me in the archive where anyone was trying to dox anyone in the first 10 hours, or anywhere else in the thread, or you are full of shit.https://archive.palanq.win/toy/thread/11242193/
