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>>11631838>What are you hoping forI still need Megazarak and Cryotek.
>>11631838>What are your favorite redecos or retools? What are you hoping for?A personal couple of favorites of mine are Beast Wars Buzzsaw and Grimlock.
>>11631844Cryotek would be nice but desu I'd probably only buy one if it came with an ice blast effect and only so I could give that effect to Megatron.My biggest want for a while now has been a Marvel G1 Blaster. I made a custom earlier in the year but I'd still love an official one. Hopefully this rumoured Studio Series comic line will get to him before too long.
>>11631838>What are your favorite redecos or retools? What are you hoping for?Only reason I haven't pulled the trigger on Bruticus is because part of me wishes for G2 repaints
>>11631854I know we'll get them. Every Bruticus gets G2'd. Although I think we'll get Ruination first.
>>11631838Metalhawk and Vector Prime, though for the latter, I just prefer not to pull the jet mode's tailfin up to be truer to the original toy's design.Still waiting on Reverse Convoy and Jungle Planet Scourge, the former using tech from Megatronus and SS86 Megs, and the latter being a straight-up remold of Onyx Prime with less compromise or consequence compared to the six-legged griffin of the base mold.
>>11631838>What are your favorite redecosI couldn't find SS Grimlock for the longest time, local shop got some Toxitron Grimlocks in stock and honestly the G1 version looks kinda boring to me now? Shame that other G2 Dinobots aren't as crazy
While fiddling with my Nemesis prime I made a discovery I have never seen mentioned anywhere about the big convoy mold... the spark crystal in his chest is backwards on every single version of the mold. The original even has metalic paint on the "back" side of it to draw light to the maximal logo
>>11631854>>11631856Step aside G2 Bruticus and Ruination, it's BATTLE GAIA's time.
>>11631860The glue holding the spark crystal in on my Nemesis was extremely weak and the crystal fell out. It also had big globs of glue across the round part of the crystal.I sanded it all of, polished it and now it looks like this.
>>11631858These upcoming guys are a crazier colorscheme like that Grimlock, though unfortunately no stripes. Is there no concept art of wackier color G2 Snarl and Slag ?
>>11631861I'm G2titucs fan but if they somehow did this I'd be stoked, even if the colors aren't all that exciting, they aren't *worse* than G1 at all. I think though I actually prefer Vortex and Brawls colors there.
>>11631860>The original even has metalic paint on the "back" side of it to draw light to the maximal logoI think all the spark crystals did. I used to take all mine out as a kid and pretended I was Megatron genociding and enslaving everyone.
>>11631872What I'm saying is that the metallic back of the spark crystal is facing the front of the chest, not back, meaning his spark crystal would be functional if it was facing the correct direction.
>>11631838>What are you hoping for?I just want a new Torca, dude.He's in my top three Fuzors, I just want to transform him again.>>11631649>>11631657>>11631663>>11631667Well that sucks, do you think it's possible to swap the heads?It looks like this screw holds the whole thing together.
>>11631902Am I able to access the screw without ripping his shoulder if, I mean.
>>11631902>>11631904If a chinese kid in the 90s could do it, so can you
>>11631802>>11631803>>11631805What T-Wrecks is this?
When do they put these out? Local walmart has one hidden in the garden section
>>11631944Black Friday
>>11631809>I was intro Transformers long before I ever watched any of the shows or moviesI once made several people in this thread mad revealing that i don't really care about tf-characters or cartoons.As a kid in the 90s i saw only that weird japanese one where some kid rides the Optimus and they are not "sentient" so kids riding them. or something like that. - i saw like 3 episodes.Then i tried to became a fan when Animated appeared and tried to go into TF-circles BUT literally every nerd absolutely hated Animated. I remember being banned on one forum because i drew 2 fanarts of Animated transformers and people instantly started shitting on my drawings because they hated that TV-show (it was a year when it aired).So i knda became a hater of tf-community for a while because it left me with negative feelings and i didnt like Bayformers so whole 2000-2010s for me were empty but i still was a fan of Transformers The Movie and was listening to the OST in non stop (i still do up to this day im not even kidding-i was listening to it yesterday even lol).I became even more attached to transformers when Combiner Wars-TitansReturn-Power of the Primes appeared and THEN when i finally started to post photos of my toys online again.And this time the community is way more chill than in the 00-2010s.i absolutely fucking hated it back then. worst experience ever.But yeah...i dont care about media that much.I never watched them as a kid. And when i tried to be a fan - i was always ckicked out.I just like toys because they are fun to play with.PS:Funniest part - i create my own squads/stories and decepticons and autobots are always mixed together.Because the concept of "2 teams fighting each other" was never drilled into my brain.Up to this day i dont even know half of the characters.
>>11631952>And when i tried to be a fan - i was always ckicked out.Nobody can stop you from liking something, retard
>>11631958>Nobody can stop you from liking something, retardCalm down bayfaggot. Animated > G1
...what?
>>11631959hurt feefees
>>11631982>hurt feefeesbayfag lol
>>11631982Not sure where he's getting the bayshit from, it's a total non sequitur.
>>11631988cope bayfag
>>11631992But I don't like the movies, anon. You've called me that three times now, why? All I said was that other people's opinions can't stop you from liking a thing. That's literally true, why are you mad about it? It's your own point about not caring for any TF media, even though other anons may disapprove.
>>11631952Man. I got onto Transformers with Beast Wars and we had internet access around the end of it. I remember so many trukk not munkey dudes it was unreal. I also remember /co/a first reaction to Animated lmao. I have so many fond memories of toy customizes and learning about g1 too though. And 4chan was so much fun back then especially here. Like some guy just ran toy giveaways and shit. I'm really upset DJW died so young
>>11631952Curious as to what circles you were within. I remember Animated having very positive reception upon release.
Bayverse has such cool designs
>>11632024>Curious as to what circles you were within. I remember Animated having very positive reception upon release.WhatnoLiterally everybody hated it. It was more hated than "trucc no monke" shit because this time people hated it because it "babyfied transformers" and "made it look like a show stupid kids".I know nowadays tf-cartoon look even worse but back then we had like 3 tf-shows so the bar was that high.Btw i was posting my stuff even here on /toy/ around 2007 and people hated Animated even in this thread.>>11632007>Man. I got onto Transformers with Beast Wars and we had internet access around the end of it. I remember so many trukk not munkey dudes it was unreal.yeah i forgot to tell that i'm a BW-guy. When i say "transformers" i mean _the_ famous transformers Optimus/Bee/Starscream - all those famous toys and stuff.I separate it from Beast Wars because BW is always on the side. at least it feels like that.i always tried to "enter circles" of transformers fans (the G1 and other "famous guys" fans) but always met with shitty giga-autism bullshit and craled back to my BW-cave.Only when Combiner Wars/Titans Returns were released i finally found my place here because gen Z started growing up and they didnt have that amount of autism so the whole TF-community became more chill.now most of "autists" are in their 40-50s or dead.thanks fucking god. I can finally enjoy "Transformers"
>>11632028
These two just showed up. Not gonna have a chance to open them or mess with them for a few hours, but I like their boxes.
>>11631959>>11631985>>11631992starting to understand why you were kicked out
>>11632037top kekget a load of this bayfag
Does every thread about any topic have to have its own dedicated schizophrenic trying to start shit with everyone with /v tier arguments be it combiner frames bay shit or hasbro vs. takara it gets really tiring man.
>>11632028That ain't one.
>>11632024>I remember Animated having very positive reception upon release.Everyone got so fucking mad and/or laughed at it when the first promo image was released. But I dont remember how long it lasted.
>>11632041Yeah basically.
>>11632046My recollection was the scorn evaporated more or less as soon as the actual show dropped and turned out to be awesome.
>>11632024Same, everybody I knew loved that show once they got used to the look
>>11632054That was my reaction back then, lol.
>>11632031I can assure you that "literally everybody" did not hate it>people hated Animated even in this threadDude you're on 4chan everybody hates everything here
>>11632046By the fourth episode, when they started warming [spoiler] themselves [/spoiler] up to Sari.I liked the show from the getgo but I was like fifteen and desperate for anything after/that wasn't Cybertron.>>11631902How beat up is your old Transquito, maybe you can just transplant the new stuff on him?
>>11632054Same, I have no clue what that other anon is talking about.
>>11632078i never seen anybody liking Animatedyou probably a zoomer and was a little kid back then so you liked it (i liked too but i was a weird one who still watched cartoons)My tf-friends hated it because he hated the designs and was too attached to G1 and wanted show to "grow up with its fans"./toy/ hated it for the same reasonsnerds on forums hated it to the point when my fan-arts (it was the first Animated fanart they saw on that forum and it triggered several people turning an "fan art-thread" into autistic arguing about how "Transformers animated KILLING THE FRANCHISE" - it was awful i still remember all that hate and arguing even if 15+ years have passed)>>11632041shut the fuck upmy post was pretty clear about issues with the community. Has nothing to do with frame-formers hate. (i like both-frame-biners and CW biners)
>>11632113>i never seen anybody liking AnimatedI mean back then.Obviously now everybody fucking pretending they LOOOOOVE animated. bunch of posers.try to go back to the year it aired and tell in the TF-community that you like it
>>11632034I just want the laser rods
>>11632031>Literally everybody hated it. It was more hated than "trucc no monke" shit because this time people hated it because it "babyfied transformers" and "made it look like a show stupid kids".That's what I remember too
>>11632113>i never seen anybody liking AnimatedI loved it back then and still do. I gave the show a try after being surprised by the design of the deluxe Prowl toy, before that I was horrified by the first look at the cartoon designs. Collected pretty much all characters from the show.To this day is my second favorite after BW .
>>116319323rd Party. Robot Toys I think.Not sure if you can find one easily or for cheap.
>>11631952>>11631809 I also don't care for the comics or cartoons but I have this autism thing where I can't separate the commercial aspect from the media. Some reason feeling influenced by these things while making toy decisions irks me.
>>11632028At least post the good version
>>11631932RT-02R Tyrant (T-Wrecks)
>>11632146Hey same here (also autistic but I think pretty much everyone in here is to some degree)I don't wanna buy any figures of any character that I don't like in the shows and especially not if I haven't seen them yet
>>11632118I just want YOUR Laser Rod, anon.
>>11632148Ahhh I fucking broke a tab while transforming him. I'm a hamhands I hate it
>>11631860I knew something looked a little off about it.
>>11631902it's worth a try, but keep careful eye on how the spring is sitting
>>11632028can't disagree. though i can see why others didn't dig it.and I will say, as much as I love the designs, I dislike most aspects of most of their faces, especially the autobots
>>11632114I remember it being huge when it was out.we hated it when we saw the initial preview, but once it actually came out...>>11632146that's... not autism.. you're supposed to want each to inspire the other.
>>11631844Is buying a complete one, loose, for 400 CAD a solid deal? I can't imagine spending that much on a single figure for the life of me.
>>11632113I don't know where you were posting your art but as you've been told several times, the fandom was initially negative towards Animated based purely on the art style but once the show finally aired, and people could see that it was well written and voice acted, opinions generally switched to positive. And that positivity grew once the toys eventually started to show up.
Anyone who says they liked TF Animated day one is a fucking revisionist liar. The first season was widely panned, in large part because of the bullshit decision to mostly have the season feature human villains and marginalizing the Decepticons. Also the figures were super simplified kiddie slop. It wasn't until season two, when the show did a massive course correction, that fans started warming up to it. Decepticons became the main villain, the human villains got dropped, and we started getting major unique TF lore stuff like Black Arachnia's origin the Wasp flashback episode, Soundwave and Lockdown showing up, and the start of the Shockwave subplot.
>>11632197Are you using people that were in their 30s or older as reference for reception?
The only way to save the Transformers franchise is to make sexy fembot toys.
>>11632197>Also the figures were super simplified kiddie slop.The figures were fine. The worst you can say about the line is that some of the scale is confusedThough I do remember the first wave having some QC issues, but worse than we deal with nowadaysLotta people talked up Prowl like he was magic
>>11632197People do seem to forget the human villains and how divisive they were but you're misremembering things yourself. Lockdown Soundwave and Blackarachnia's origin were all season 1 and people really started warming up to the show when the Dinobots were introduced, which was episode 6.As for the toys, the kiddie slop you mentioned certainly did exist, as legends and activators. Then you had deluxe and above which were almost universally praised.
>>11632197i like non-decepticon villainsfor one thing, I like how the 'cons were an OPPRESSIVELY strong force, taking all the autobots to handle even oneso having lesser villains, of human origin, gave them a chance to be heroes and show they're here to help, while not diminishing the decepticon threat.
>>11632197People started liking Animated from the premiere but it was Lockdown's first episode (the third of the whole show) where people really perked up on it.
I've never given Animated a chance because I don't like the designs and Transformers is an almost purely visual thing for me. These niggas all look like Ben 10
>>11632217dude seriouisly, everyone despised this promo imageit turned out the show doesn't look like this.
>>11632218I just picked an image of Google, sorry anon. This better? I just don't think they look cool
>>11632221ehh this still isn't very representativehang onit was more like this in the actual show
>>11632224it looked great in motion
>>11632217>These niggas all look like Ben 10There's a reason for that
>>11632267I hadn't looked it up, but I'm not surprised. They just don't really look like robots to me. I have the same issues with most Prime designs. I don't like 95% of the Bayverse designs either but at least they read as robots first and foremost to me.
>>11632267But he didn't work on Ben 10 until Omniverse. Ben 10 would have been faux-anime at the time.
>>11632197I was born in 91 but when it csme out I wasn't really interested and was "past" buying Transformers toys. I didn't like the designs or the buman villains either.>>11632214I myself didn't see these eoisodes, but I will say this: Upon rewatching G1 recently I realized human or non Decepticon villains were neither new nor rare, and not at all exclusive to Animated. I've really come to love Animated now, and see that Animated was also a love letter to Transformers as a whole. I loved that they pulled characters and lore from everywhere in the franchise and I'd love to see it done more often. They even pulled in Blackout from TF'07.
>>11632269I feel your criticisms re: mechanical characters in Ben 10 / Generator Rex, but they ALMOST made it work in Animated, and I'm willing to give it a shot. honestly they just needed to tighten up the facial proportionsI mean let's face it, Beast Wars wasn't exactly flawless visually either.
>>11632286Beast Wars definitely isn't flawless but I really like the early CG look and I think they definitely look robot-ier. They still have the bulky blocky proportions that I like. Animated and Prime both exaggerate those far too much for my liking, I think that's my main thing.
>>11632286This pic reminded me that there is STILL no Dark Designs Rhinox redeco, official or otherwise.
>>11632287i'm with you there, really. Beast Wars had some really excellently balanced body types, and they really smoothed out some of the more ungainly proportions of the toys they were based on.Animated just managed to win me over, both the show and the toyline (moreso the toys), SOMEHOW making those simplified designs work.Prime.... almost did everything right, but I feel like they have classic Gamecube syndrome. "yay we can do this advanced, detailed CGI! Let's make everything a bunch of really thin pieces because we can RENDER all those polygons now!" and then all those thin pieces make them look rickety and fragile, while simultaneously not chunky enough to feel like proper robots. I still liked it, but I had zero interest in the toys.. Well not zero, I wanted Dreadwing, but they fucked him up.>>11632299I think that's just a tough sell. silverachnia would be a lot easier sell and they didn't do that.
>>11632287I hope someday soon, in television, the 'early CG' aesthetic will return. Theres something I love about it.
>>11632300I really liked Prime's story and the characters, but the designs- with the exceptions of Megatron and Soundwave- didn't interest me much. Of the official on screen Optimus designs, I think his design from TFP is my least favorite. And yes I count Optimus Primal as an "On screen Optimus"
>>11632300>and the toyline (moreso the toys)What are your favorites? I imagine this is how they'd win me over because I just don't have time for a new TV show at the moment.
>>11632305interesting, to me it doesn't even seem special enough to be anyone's least favorite. I would expect its critics to call it bland, uninspired, overly smooth. or at least point out how the noseless versions of Wyatt faces still look fucking weird. also Prime had no fucking idea how to animate mouths, which is hilarious. the human characters would just kinda swallow their own upper lips.>>11632306Blackarachnia comes to mind. But even characters I don't care about like errr Ratchet, still have some charm and look believably like alien living robots to me.
>>11632307oh and waspinator of course. and there's no bad versions of animated megatroni never had anything from Animated, but I enjoyed looking at them on the wiki, and I was like 'maybe transformers is gonna be okay now'then the AoE toyline happened..
>>11632307>picrelThis does nothing for me sadly. The backpack of tools is cute though>>11632308This one's fine but it kinda just looks like a cartoonified Megatron. I guess that's the point though huhI can imagine the helicopter blades becoming the sword is a fun transformation
I'm more of a toy-centric guy, I like toy lines with play feature as central theme, such as Micron Legend, Superlink, Galaxy Force, Combiner Wars, and Titans Return.I don't care about animated, prime, rid, cyberverse, earth spark, and cyberworld simply because they don't have a unique play feature built in to the design that makes them uninteresting to me.
>>11632313>cyberworldIt does though.
>>11632311yeah, basically I can see why they wouldn't be for everyone, but after seeing THIS >>11632217 fucking garbage, i was AMAZED that it actually turned out as good as it did
>>11632300>I think that's just a tough sell. silverachnia would be a lot easier sell and they didn't do that.Just make them a two packHeck, I'm surprised Masterpiece hasn't done either. They do most every repaint possible
>>11632316maybe Premium Finish will do it
>>11632315This is a cool figure but you could also tell me it was a Ben 10 guy and I wouldn't question it for a second.
>>11632315Hasbro was working with the people making the show. The original goal was to make designs that were more shape-based instead of mechanical detailing based even before they had the actual look down. Why wouldn't they have worked?
>>11632314I don't count Cyberworld as one, because only the larger figure have play features, all other basic sized figures are generic TFs.
>>11632318Ben 10 is cool.
>>11632320I disagree with most of what you said, but particularly the logic of it.it seems clear Wyatt fundamentally did not understand how transforming works. the toy engineers salvaged it.
>>11632326only AF/UA
>>11632326Not my thing, but I'm also guilty of just hyperfixating on Transformers, I don't have space for any other cartoon in my life.
>>11632327Before he jointed up, they were already leaning into that.
>>11632341damn, that looks WAY better. wish we'd gotten that.
>>11632343You got the cherry-picked example that used an existing toy as reference for what would be different.
>>11632346oh. okay yeah, this is.. a lot less good.i mean don't get me wrong, i'd watch a show that looks like this, but it's not TRANSFORMERS.
>>11632347What is Transformers to you?
>>11631838>What are your favorite redecos or retools? What are you hoping for?He's still fantastic since he isn't that old a figure, but I'd still like an update since the shoulders/arms are fairly limited. I also don't mind if he still turns into the weird fish spaceship but I think they could come up with a better alt mode.
>>11632347How about this?
>>11632355If he didn't turn into a weird fish spaceship, the deco would be weird.
>>11632354hard to say exactly, but it's never this spindly. It's robots that you can imagine folding up into something useful, but not literally just a hinge that unfolds into a limb (that's go-bots)>>11632357This... CAN be transformers. it's a tiny bit odd but I'd accept it.
>>11632341>>11632346>>11632357These designs are so much better than the Evergreen inspired designs they put out every year.
How much does the alt mode factor in for you? If you like a robot mode but the alt mode sucks is that gonna stop you? I ask because essentially the only alt modes I ever display are seekers. It's a weird scenario where I love Transformers and would never consider buying a non-transforming one, but I'll essentially never Transform it.
>>11631838>What are your favorite redecos or retools?I really like how they turned Cyclonus into Metalhawk. I didn't like how they released a slightly different but clearly superior repaint of Metalhawk a year later. The 'toy colour' redecos tend to be better than the normal colour schemes.>What are you hoping for?More Shattered Glass please. Also, toy colour SS86 Springer. Not a retool/redeco but I'm still waiting for a new RID 2001 Megatron.
>>11631854What are the odds on a Tonkanator based on SS86 Devastator? The yellow and black is much more appropriate for construction vehicles than the G1 or G2 colour schemes.
>>11632409I bought one with an awful altmode because she was cheap, and I regret it.
>>11631944Holy shit, G1 Wildrider? I didn't realise he had a rerelease. I recently paid voyager price for him.
>>11632409I have my limits, but i'll accept some compromises in the altmode. cheetor and tigatron having robot knees on the backs of their feet is okay. the majority of the UT guys turning into fucking -nothing,- not so much. But then again, in the first place, I don't like most vehicles. I like cool jets, cool tanks, really hot slick sports cars, that's it. I did buy the movie Drift that turns into a pretty boring modern smart car, because his robot mode was a cool samurai, so.
>>11632217I hated the art style as a kid and I still do now. I didn't even like how Prime looked.
Nothing like getting a figure you would otherwise love if it weren't for that one really obviously botched paint app. The true Hasbro experience.
>>11632409The only reason why I haven't bought SS86 Megatron yet is because the tank mode sucks.
>>11632425at least that's easily fixed..
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>>11632037He's as obnoxious as the one space background spam anonAnother person to filter honestly
>>11632113I was born in 1991, friendo
>>11632346The single worst piece of Transformers Animated concept art is the one that would go on to be the designs that would eventually be Jetfire and Jetstorm>alright boss I got those robot designs for you just like you asked>>ok good but what do they transform into?>...transform?
>>11632341Seeing Hero always stings, because they even made actual transforming prototypes for it, and then it all got thrown away for ugly old Animated.
>>11632113>into autistic arguing about how "Transformers animated KILLING THE FRANCHISE"Quite ironic to be on this place in 2025.The bar was that high back then.My brain can't calculate that we used to hate on Animated while it was one of the legendary tv-shows...Animated has amazing designs with cool toys.Even adults can watch that TV-show.Nowadays tf-cartoons are kiddie-ish with super cheap looking toys and the only good newest cartoon (the One) was a massive flop.>>11632197>Also the figures were super simplified kiddie slop.what...noAnimated figures were AMAZING. what are you talking aboutthey had the style. they were so cool.Even the Wreck Gar. it was coo chunky figure. Dinobots were fucking cool too as toys.>>11632217>These niggas all look like Ben 10hehethat's because one of artists worked on Ben 10Ben-10 like cartoons were go-to cartoons "for growing up kids" back then. So not surprising they sharing some aspects of their design.But you can't argue about that because 80s Transformers literally looked just like any other 80s cartoon (ghostbusters/GIjoe/etc.) and shared the same aspects of technology/robots designs.It's a thing of it's era just like every other tf-cartoon.
>>11632508Aniamted designs were the worst thing that ever happened to the franchise. Utterly ruined the whole point. Didn't even transform. Unironically worse than Beast Machines for transforming bullshit
>>11632509>Aniamted designs were the worst thing that ever happened to the franchise.ahon you can't say that while bayformers exist...At least animated ones look like actual transformers and have a characters and personality and not duyng in 1 second.they also don't have cringe-inducing faces like picrelated... like what the fuck is this
>>11632426>The only reason why I haven't bought SS86 Megatron yet is because the tank mode sucks.this is also why i never bought itMy autism just can't handle that tank mode.the tank tower is fucking awful. It's made of hands collapsing together that hold a gun in between or something like thatAND THE TANK TOWER CAN'T ACTUALLY TURN NORMALLY WHAT THE FUCK.howHOW could they fuck up such an important part of such a thing as a tank...
>>11632513>tank towerGood morning saar
>>11632512>like what the fuck is thisITS HYPER REALISTIC COMPUTER GRAPHICS MOM IT MEANS IM WATCHING SUPER SERIOUS MOVIES FOR ADULTS AND I WONT MOVE OUT OF YOUR BASEMENT
>>11632446>now this image would be a fucking wojak>not even an edited wojak to look like WreckGar but a basic bitch yelling incel one
>>11632409When I get bored I change everything in my shelf to their alt modes and display them like that for awhile
>>11632524>Good morning saarim from germany so you better start with "Guten Morgen, Herr."
>>11632528lol i also thought about that.>Then: someone searched for reaction images/went through a whole tv-show to search for a fitting screenshot and wrote a paragraph that fits it and the whole idea of a meme>Now: me vs you wojacks screaming/crying
https://youtu.be/AWoSyWtupt8
>>11632530I think you mean alejkum salam Hans
>>11632409I have very few transformers that don't have a satisfying altmode. '07 movie Scorponok for one, RotF Ravage for another. I still like Ravage enough but I won't even bother turning him into "meteor mode", maybe if it held together with more strength than crossed fingers I would.
>>11632561What about Chocobo mode?
>>11632530I don't speak turkish sorry
>>11632409I would rather an alt mode be good rather than bad, though generally I get a toy mostly based on how I like one mode. Be it alt or robot. I do put a lot of stock in a transformation being fun or interesting though.
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>>11632491>Didn't they make a prototype of the earlier designs as toys? Space flying things don't need a lot of actual parts.
>>11632491it's weird that i understood this when I was fucking seven. my old designs might not have been ready for primetime, but I at least thought about how they would transformit was a lot of bullshit like 'open up forearm, swivel tiger paw in and robot hand out, close forearm' but
>>11632493those are some cool designs on the left, but what the ass is that garbage on the right trying to be?>>11632508the last 20-30 years has been a constant succession of "wow, we thought that hit rock bottom, but it turned out there was further down to go"
>>11632508yeah but 'it's of its era' only applies if all eras are equal.I agree with you but I don't think you're making good arguments.
>>11632530>>11632537
>>11632561>movie scorponoki feel like the tiny ones are great, the ones coming with Blackout etc, but the actual fullsize ones are godawful and look nothing like the movie, just a mess. new movie scorponok is almost as bad. worse in a lot of ways.>Ravagelove that toy, I have every color it came in. Wish I had all the small ones, but some of them are stupidly hard to track down. but i'll admit, the small ones have good altmodes, the big one does not.
>>11632687The worst part about Scorponok isn't the shit after thought robot mode, it's that the vast majority of his budget clearly went into all the gears of his spinning turbine and claws roller gimmick... which are almost all broken these days.
>>11632752yeahhh and who even wanted that
Speaking of Scorponok is the current oversized kiddie Scorponok based on G1 Scorps worth buying if you missed out on Titan Scorponok?
>>11632790If you collect Legends scale or Blockee Transformers, it's a good budget version of the character and scales pretty good with them. BUT if you are doing regular scale TFs, it's a bad fit. It's too big to put against any of the Powermaster Optimus Primes and too small for Fortress Maximus. It's works best if you are a Blockee fanboy or have a decent sized Transformers Prime legends scale collection to pair it with.
>>11632508The worst thing about animated is that the show is animated in like, 10 fps most of the time. It's super distracting.
>>11632779The weirdest fucking thing to me on top of that is that his claws open up and lock into place with dedicated notches, but there's literally no reason for that at all. It's just there.
>>11632779>>11632848an unfortunate aspect of a time where the budgets were so excessive and the ongoing design philosophy was a need to give everything some sort of gimmick. Scorponok didn't need much of anything, but design philosophy dictated he needed some gimmicks to make it a more appealing sell.
>>11632848oh yeah and didn't he like, combine with another blackout toy despite that making no sense scalewise.>>11632867i would not call budgets excessive back then, just misspent
>>11632872I would agree it was "excessive" in the sense that the movies were so fat with budget that for two films in a row they decided the gimmick was "look at how many extra parts the toys have, that's so cool". And now we're lucky to get pinned wheels.
>>11632876it's kinda like questions of how well to fund public services, when the greater issue is how badly the money's being misspent
These threads have been a drag lately. Someone post something fun.
>>11632936When I do I get called a Beast Machines Revisionist
>>11632936i post this a lot but i just really like it
>Shocked that there are 3D print fillers for Cyberverse Deluxe in 2025>Shocked that Cyberverse was 16 years agoI'm shocked.
>>11632936
>>11632512>Not posting Que
If you know the reference
>>11632028For me it's hobbotron
>>11632197I remember being a kid and being massively disappointed by the lame capeshit human villains. I didn't give a shit until Megatron returned and that was the coolest shit ever
Has anyone chose to give the newer versions of the Autobot Targetmasters their gun partners from the Japanese Legends line?
>>11633109
Stupid thought, but I somehow imagine Windblade as someone with potential to be bio-linked to a Kiss Player. I see her as the type of person to seek true love from other races, though mostly onto humans. Ain't weird for those kinds of Transformers fans in the board even though KP is universally hated...
>>11633119universal my assit'd be cute (and only fair) for lady-type transformers like Windblade or Prime Arcee to have strapping young lads who kiss them and power them up.
>>11633120And I have a really stupid idea: Jan Minakaze, who would somehow be a Kiss Player linked to Windblade, who in an ideal world is a student to Star Saber, the greatest Autobot swordsman. This suddenly just popped up on my head because Windblade interacting with humans is rare, but...
>>11633122that'd be cute as fuck. Zatanna to his Bruce.
>2025 leader class
>>11633134Hahaha we are so fucking cooked
>>11633134not so big convoy...
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>>11633148Micromaster Convoy
He's missing half his back but I kinda love him.
>>11633189Cursed image
>>11633148There wasn't THAT much of a height difference between them in Neo, right?
>>11633134Big Convoy? More like Lil Convoy!
>>11633189Thats the Universe redeco of Night Slash Cheetor right?
>>11633278
>>11633122I still want a story where Windblade and Drift team up against Bludgeon and Banzaitron, Battle of the Weeb-bots.
>>11633282You could go deeper and add Animated Prowl and his sensei who I forgot and Botcon Arcee (who was trained by Bonzaitron.)
>>11633270Yeah the beast machines one was black and orange for some reason.
I managed to snag the MAGNIFICENCE known as Earthrise Sky Lynx for $60 a few minutes ago. Really looking forward to him.
>>11633293I got bored of him after three days, took me a year to sell him off to someone else.
>>11633189i love the shoulder swords, but I wish anyone there understood like, make things disconnectable
>>11633402You got bored with SKY LYNX?!!!
>>11633293Sky Lynx is one of my favorite toys to come out of Earthrise. He's a space shuttle that turns into a badass robo-dragon (sorry - "Dino-Bird") who splits into two separate toys, a giant lynx and a "bird" (clearly a wyvern). He has another mode they added in that turns his lower half into a launch pad and base for his shuttle half to take off from, too, and if you have the matching Botropolis Rescue set, you can connect them all to make a little playset.
>>11631864Sadly no, Grimlock was the only Dinobot with two different G2 color schemes since he was the most popular one. Same reason characters like Jazz got multiple as well.
>>11633525Three schemes if you count the straight re-release of his grey G1 toy.
>>11633402Blasphemy.
>>11633502INCONCEIVABLE!
>>11633402Fake
>>11633569It's like looking at a chicken with baby chicks
>>11633525There was 3. A weird teal one that was hard to tell apart from the blue. Snarl got a green repaint and Slug got a red repaint I think. But they weren't insane neon stuff like that Swoop and orange Grimlock.
>>11633602
>>11633603I dont know why they just swapped their colors
>>11633602you're sure that's not just a blue one that's yellowed?
>>11633247
>>11633609NTA but that's the Super Toy Archive (RIP) entry, which was from the late 90s/early 00s
>>11633619Wow, look at that, it's actually accurate.The new Big Convoy still looks really dumpy compared to the original toy though.
>>11633621No. I had the teal one, and a neighbor friend across the street from me had the blue one.
>>11633134So is the "Big" Convoy name supposed to be sarcastic...?
>>11633634Look at the scale chart, he's still taller than most of the cast and pretty bulky. The only guys taller are the Destron leaders and Blendtrons, while Arcadis is close on height, but not nearly as bulky.
>>11633630>>11633621oh okay
>>11633148>>11633619so it looks like..the head still goes up to the waist, but he's also just thinner and less bulky overall, so it seems wrong. and the new magmatron has longer legs (and is standing up straight in that picture) so Big needs to be taller to maintain the same feel
Managed ro snag some of those walmart packs. Shame that I own one if each figure per pack, but at 15, I still get the one's I want, cheaper.
>>11633247>>11633619>>11633626>>11633642>>11633651The scale chart may be what was intended, but it is not accurate in the slightest. Even in this particular set (probably the cleanest I've seen in a while) the 8 inch height difference between Lio and Big is not as pronounced as it should. The scale In BwII and neo were all fucking over the place, when Flash Lio Convoy is fighting Unicron in the final episode Lio is two thirds his size. Big Convoy is frequently shown brawling with Magmatron at eye level even in the opening of the show though he is still several heads shorter he is by no means at Magmatrons waist.
>>11633134Loking forward to picking Big Conroy up at ROSS next holiday season for $19.99.
Wild that the only flaw of the og Big Convoy was his fairly dumpy proportions and hasbro somehow made them worse.
>>11633148I feel like every shot of Big Convoy I've seen has his shoulder pads positioned in a different way, yet nobody has tried to position them like the og toy/anime.
>>11633741Bold of you to assume hasbro will produce enough for him to hit clearance. I swear, somebody on the design team must really love Magmatron for how almost perfect he turned out and then we get this turd for the coolest beast wars Convoy.
>>11633740fairdesu i care more about how things LOOK together than how they were meant to be, which weirdly is the same for beast wars and beast wars only
>>11633746You can't, they are on a pair of pin hinges. They can sit higher on the armature, but the shape of them is too wrong for them to ever look like they should.
>>11633745yeah they really fixed what wasn't broken and not what was. well, they did change the trunk, but it's not an upgrade.
>>11633569>Now remember, before you do anything, think, 'Is this what Sky Lynx would do in my position?', and you will not go far wrong.
>>11633609The teal one was a late running change; as is such, it's a lot rather than the blue, but was a real thing all the same.
>>11633749The size of the original is perfect. For those without Magmatron he's about a half inch shorter than commander Optimus is. He even scales well with the recent takara redo of the legacy Lio Convoy. I don't see the new Big Convoy receiving the same treatment Lio got though... too much is wrong with the base figure, from his overly wide and flat torso to his stumpy fat blocks for legs. The only thing I can give them is that the head sculpt is better, but that is highly subjective.
>>11633759man am I glad I got the originaljust the question now is whether i'll get recolors of this new one
>>11633750Odd, it looks fine to me on the main render, but nowhere else. Everyone just keeps putting the kibble behind his shoulders instead of over them.
>>11633750>>11633763Here's how Primevsprime did it, at a similar angle too, for comparison.
>>11633752I stand by the way the original trunk was done too. The gimmick kinda sucked but I've long grown to like how it arcs over his shoulder when in cannon mode and even how it sticks out the side in storage mode. >>11633763This is a great example of what is wrong with the missile racks on the new one. The ears of the beast mode are left open spreading the beast head across his shoulders like a pelt almost. The new one just looks like a double stacked hamburger.God this thing is a piece of shit.
>>11633768... are his wire anchors ON THE BACK OF HIS LEGS???
>>11633775i'll say this, the original trunk had lovely sculpting, and while the ribbed part takes me right out of it, that IS a place where a real ellyfant has a lot of ribbing on the trunk, so...
>>11632940You're too late, fake Animated hate is this threads theme.
https://youtu.be/e7nEtz8t0lc?si=9hKNw7X1ifX3LxQ1This is the Beast Wars Neo opening. It is very 90s anime. Big Convoy and Magmatron are cool as fuck.
>>11633786I like BWII's opening themes more. Cool/exciting kind of song.
>>11633786so is it just me getting error code 4 on embeds
>>11633786it definitely has a lot of hot-blooded 70s anime in its DNA
I'll just wait 6 years for the Iron Factory Samurai Big Convoy
>>11633783Idk if its fake, while I wasn't involved with any sort of community I can say I wasn't a fan at all when it came ojt. Love it now though.
>>11633793that'll be MP scale though, right?i guess i'd still buy recolors of that though
>>11633793>Iron Factorycool bootleg>>11633798big convoy is more of a cowboy
>>11633798Legends scale. Which will line up with Hasbro scale by the time it comes out lmao.
>>11633634It's an in-universe joke, the same way you might call a manlet "big guy" or "big fella" in real life.That's my headcanon and I'm sticking to it.
>>11633783Shit is hilarious. The consensus on Animated more or less flipped after the first Starscream fight. There was some negativity with how slow the first season was, but once Megatron came back and the serious tone of the show entered focus even those that held out because of a distaste for the design saw the worth of Animated.Beast Machines on the other hand is one of those shows were even ignoring the grotesque Maximal "robot" modes the story is more interesting in a short recap. The vehicon generals are the most fun thing in the show, and they have committed character assassination on the returning cast. Megatron eventually gets better, but his sudden comically over the top hatred of organics is wild when considering how hard he was gloating about how powerfull his tm2 body... THAT HE STILL HAS is just a few episodes prior. All the maximals went full retard though, except maybe Rattrap, who was rightfully displeased by his newly borked body that doesn't function in any way similar to his old one.The whole show is just obtuse shallow drama over and over, coupled with characterization jumping all over the place constantly. It gets the hate it deserves.
>>11633801what?
>>11633768Just comparing to some Anime screenshot, this is what I find really drags down his look:-Red on the pics should be bigger, or the Grey line being backed by a band or red.-They should have painted the hinges section at the sides of the pelvis brown, since the actual pelvis isn't as wide and that makes it look much wider, coloring it like the mammoth bits would make more sense and make the pelvis look closer to the right size.-Hinges at the abdomen needed to be removed, either make the flap for the Matrix extend at the bottom, then hinge open, or just make the blue section have the hinge integrated right there, having the white sections of the abdomen just out like that makes his torso look off.-Arms needed to be at least 20 percent bigger.I'll post a shifty ms paint in a bit explaining what I mean.
>>11633801Big Convoy is more a John Rambo type, dude can take out armies by himself. This man must have been miserable dealing with the recruits he was saddled with in Neo.>>11633803The fucky jp timeline aside, Big Convoy is actually really fucking big for a Maximal of his time period. Dude is 10'6" at a time most guys are pushing 6' at most.
>>11633814good observationsyou mean THICKER arms, right? not like, the same arms but scaled up. they're already as long as his legs.
>>11633821Yeah, but with my shifty paint skills, this is the best I could do. Didn't do the chest paint because it will look awful.
>>11633814Sort of...- the gray on the chest should be clear red and the gray should be painted. I'm sure we are going to find a skybyte situation once he comes out more widely and we are going to find a Maximal logo sculpted on the back of his spark crystal.- I fully agree on the hinges being brown, but his whole torso is still too wide.- you are right about the door to the energon matrix, the hinge should be completely resessed into the midriff. It looks like that was done so the door could be pinned.The arms should be bulkier yes, and torso slimmer and the legs even more so. His lower legs are essentially 90s gundam legs with a mammoth leg attached to the back for a fold out kickstand and a large pickaxe stored under a large flank. Wrapping the kibble around them ruins the look The hip boosters being so long also looks like shit. People have long complained about how much of the beast head turns into the Big Cannon, here it is even worse, so little of the beast head is left over on his shoulders that the missile pods ended up the wrong shape and the ears are somehow Thicker and more massive than the head halves.
>>11633828With the scaled up 5mm holes he now looks like a deluxe...
>>11633836I only made the shoulders bigger, the arms are the same.
>>11633837...he looks like a deluxe...
>>11633828generally the easiest way to add width to something, if you're trying to do an edit like this, is to select half of it, duplicate it, and nudge it over. Then a quick edit and bob's your uncle, you have a mockup
I'm hoping they'll do Universe Nemesis Prime out of him.
>>11633860They can only repaint him, so I think it's likely, same for Blue Big Convoy.
This Bee looks like he's divorced and drinks his problems away
>>11633889Iunno he's giving me really solid Ted Baxter from Mary Tyler Moore Show vibes.Optimus looks like fuckin woman
>>11633889Worse. He's divorced, he drinks his problems away, and he just woke up from a hangover... lying next to Que.
>>11633293Good find, great deal.
>>11633889I am so goddam tire of BB being showved down our throats. I am not a kid anymore, stop making BB in collector centric lines for every wave. Where the fuck is SS86 Hound and Suntreaker?
>>11633889>TS-21It's interesting to see what we know will in fact be the biggest shelfwarmer of the year get another release. My question is: are they stupid? Nobody is clambering for Que.
>>11633293Reminds me of getting my seige Jetfire on a freak sale for 20. Was the first and only time I saw a commander at a local Walmart.
>>11633889Man, I really don't want to get Orion just for his mining tool.
>>11633901>>11633293Best after market deal I can recall is getting 3 Siege Refractors in Ebay bid for $30.I was the only bidder.
>>11633889Seems like Bee might include a second weapon, he has some gray thing on his back.
>>11633911looks like he has megatron envy
>>11633914Really hard to tell what he has, but looking up weapons from the game, it might be Hounds gun.
>>11633889>Divorced BeeSomeone post the Brendan Fraser Bumblebee edit
What do you think the odds are of Hasbro making a new Unicron toy anytime soon?
>>11633922Oh I definitely feel a little cowabunga kino making a little appearoreoro soon
>>11633922Depends on current profits and the time gap until the next movie. Second Unicron sounds like a panic button type release.
>>11633923hope so.Can't find one on Ebay that isn't total rape prices.
>>11633927They could do a cheapy one at Commander scale.
>>11633927I think there was a Unicron rumor a while back, can't remember what it was.
>>11633889I’m probably a bit dumb, but I can’t tell if that BB is a new mold or a retool of SS86. The reused weapon isn’t helping>>11633897I wouldn’t mind as much if they at least did more with the molds every once in a while. We’ve had so many BBs without any of them being retooled into Glyph or Ladybug/Stinger.
>>11633922this design vexes me because it's clearly really good and like, better than I could draw, but the front toe on one of them is 90 degrees off from the other. and they clearly aren't just flexing because they're both bucked right up against a flat part of the armor.
>>11633943
Haslab just had its biggest flop ever.TF is next up, they better not mess it up or haslab is probably fucked.
>>11633939I'm honestly curios just how they'll make the throttlebots. They mentioned the 86 bee mold, but now we have another bee mold so I'm wondering if both molds will be used to make them.
>>11633948i think the ankles on that one are okay..>>11633952let's remind ourselves that everything is definitely fucked. the question is more what's going to collapse first.
>>11633952Transformers X Tron collab.
>>11633952Okay play your bets. Who's going to be the next TF Haslab?
>>11633963I doubt that they’re doing Primus, my guesses are either Road Caesar or Big Powered
>>11633963Elphaorpha!
>you get a cleaner superion with this upgrade kit>no parts needed except the main superion torso and gunmaybe its blasphemy but I kinda want this, havent bought a single aerialbot too so just need to get silverbolt and this kit
>>11633967>superion torsowoops meant to say frame
>>11633963Peobably one of these:-Ggatron-Sky Garry with Grandus and their micromasters.-Dai Atlas, Roadfire and Sonic Bomber, plus their micromasters
>>11633967>>11633969Does it do anything for the alt-mode(s)?
>>11633975na only for the bot mode
I heard a rumor that Metroplex is getting a tweaked reissue and that Broadside is going to be a titan size.
>>11633981I feel like they’d just make a new Metroplex given the old one is more than a decade old at this point. I’m not sure what size class to put Broadside in, I feel like he should be the same general size as the current combiners which would make him a rather small Titan
>>11633997They'd probably do him at star convoy size and but the budget that convoy got in accessories towards the broadside's triple changer engineering.
>not called Grimeslop
>>11634010Why would his name be different?
>>11633997They originally talked about a retool, but later said they'd make a new one.
>>11634012Nta, but it tends to be a coin flip whether redecoes keep the same name or get new ones, like Shadowstrip or Silverstreak
>>11634021>Shadowstrip or SilverstreakThis is great, it makes them a separate character from G1. Like all the Diaclone characters.
>>11634021I can only assume, but it might be done to try and make the repaints standout by not having them share a name. In Shadowstrips case, he came out around the same time as regular Dragstrip.Since Menasor needed a Dragstrip, the name change may have been done to avoid confusion, like a parent getting the wrong one because they share a name.Motormastera instructions weren't colored, and a colored dragstrip wasn't shown on the back of the box (it really is weird these commander boxes don't highlight the other toys in a group shot or something).
>>11634010I prefer Grimon.Don't let Sonic near him though.
>>11634022Would be cool to see a repaint of Grimlock named Cruellock or Doomlock.I'd like to see all G2 repaints of the combiners in different names.
>>11634027I'm still salty they didn't do G2 CW Defensor.
>>11634029Yeah, really a missed opportunity. The main three combiners all got their G2 repaint.
>Bought Runabout and Runamuck for $90>Already got Runamuck for $5 last month>Every other listing for Runabout alone is $150+>Still feel like a retard for caving
>>11634038So could you flip the duplicate?
>>11634039That's what I'm thinking of doing, I'd never throw a transformer away. Runamuck goes for a lot cheaper tho, especially loose, so I'm not expecting a big return.
>>11633952Haslab is on borrowed time.
>>11633943If your talking about how the toes are in a cross shape that's just how unicrons feet are designed. As for the perspective...the front foot isn't foreshortened properly.
>>11633952Haslab is already fucked from the Omega Prime QC debacle.
>>11633922>>11633927Missing Link Unicron would be fucking hilarious
>>11634068The only ML bots I'm waiting for is the Dinobots
>>11634068We did get ML Arcee so the odds of us getting this aren't too terrible, though ML pricing might make ML Unicron cost almost as much of the Haslab even though it'll be nowhere near as big. And that's before they put in the electronics that version was supposed to have, which sure they wouldn't cost much to make but you know TT loves adding a premium for that sort of thing.
>>11634068Make the head and limbs swappable to turn it to Grand Galvatron
>>11633907The only toy that mattered
>>11633952Good. I hate Haslabback to smaller more affordable figures.
>>11633999He'll be even smaller and more expensive
>>11634038At least you're not the dude that spent $140 to buy my G1 Breakdown back in July. Rest in Peace that guy.
>>11634038Jesus Christ, you weren't kidding.What the Hell is this.
>>11634145This. Liokaiser should have been a scaled down retail release.
>>11633974>Dai Atlas, Roadfire and Sonic Bomber, plus their micromastersThat'll be $1000 goy
>>11634145$40 deluxes soon
This is the best transformer.
>>11634212That's not Torca.
So I was researching buying a 3D printer for hobby projects and decided to go looking around to see what TF-related stuff there was. The Sam Forge Lugnut seems like a neat idea but I doubt I'd be able to assemble it properly. Anyway I kept seeing it compared to HFTD Lugnut and I'm honestly shocked at how expensive it is on the aftermarket. Is it really that good of a figure, or is it just because it's Lugnut in particular?
>>11634212Come on, Hasbro, you know you want to
>>11634226Its a great toy, its the only generations toy of Lugnut (who is more popular than you'd think), AND it had extremely shitty distribution (like legacy breakdown).
>>11634190Sorry, this is the best we could do under 500
>>11634182Runabout was a Target exclusive
>>11634247I'd rather have nothing.>>11634249and I ordered him online when he was new knowing this kind of markup would happen.
>>11634257There MAY be a chance he returns to Target. I think they've brought Thrust back who was also a Target exclusive that a lot of people missed.
>>11634272Well I hope for the people who missed out on him that happens.If I can be honest though, I find the ER Runabout/Runamuck mold to be pretty underwhelming.
>>11634285I actually found the TFCC ones to be better
>>11634257the Hasbro ethos
>>11634272I agree there's a chance, but I wasn't counting on it. Runabout listings were going for $80-100 a few weeks ago, but I think people started buying them up after Chris McFeely made a Battlechargers video.
>>11634289>and those Oi the basics Oin The Battlechargers!
>>11634272But I'm a [spoilers] fucking [/spoilers] Leaf.Should I just ask a friend in Texas to look out for me or something?
>>11634329Are there no spoilers here, God damnit.
>>11634329Texas gets things way slower than most other places her in the USMy town got the new price hikes before we got Scavenger
>>11633963Energon Omega Supreme
>>11634397For what reason? He's simple and big, and his main gimmick is putting an Optimus Prime inside him.
>>11634398It would be funny
>>11633963Railracer or Landfill.And each component of Railracer will be a commander class size.
>>11634401I know this is a pipe dream, but I’m really curious to see if they end up doing a Fire Convoy/RID Optimus Prime in the mainline since the Haslab doesn't really scale with anything else currently available, like Side Burn, Sky Byte, and Scourge. Especially with all the Yellow Splended comments they got during the Haslab
>>11633963RID 01 Megatron
>>11634401If they manage to get JRX, I'll be surprised. Hasbro execs hate trains and boats. We have a better chance of those getting in via MPG.
>>11634415They won't. Why would they when they consider Haslabs to be mainline. We'll eventually get Yellow, but first they have to work out the retooling on the mold (originally only to make it more feminine, but they also have to redo the torso to fix the breakage issue).
>>11633134>>11633148>>11633763>>11633768>this fucking dogshit is starting to look nicer to me on account of wanting a Big Convoy and knowing that any versions of the old toy would be expensive or impossible to find
>>11634226He is very good and he was so limited distribution he was basically a Ross Exclusive for most
>>11634440I’m debating between getting him or waiting until they do Ultra Mammoth instead. Knowing myself I’ll probably end up getting both eventually
>>11634440I still hate that I didn't get Blue Big Convoy back when he released. I didn't have the money at the time and now he's so expensive.
>>11634461There's several paint schemes so just pray your favorite gets a shot, there's:-Toy colors-Ultra Mammoth-Nemesis Prime-Blue Big ConvoyAnd that's assuming Big sells well enough, Lio didn't so we didn't get any of his repaints (Nemesis was already in the pipeline, otherwise he'd be shelved as well).
>>11634212You should buy the upgrade kit and decals for it
>>11634059no I'm saying one of them is clearly parallel to the shin, instead of perpendicular
>Remember that anon who said he couldn't get both runabout and runamuk for decent prices. Both are available with all insecticons and other figures for 90 in an ebay lot.Boy do I feel bad for him.
>>11633963My bet's on Dai Atlas and the Big Powered crew.
>>11634485Yeah but they've all been handled with greasy fingers, covered in blood and then cummed on.
>>11634440Mandarake????
>>11634472I guess that's why Cryotek never happened.
>>11634472why the fuck didnt lio sell? I thought they overproduced himshit, i bought three of them and i'm tempted to get the refixed takara one.
>>11634503Whatever you need to tell yourself
>>11634472To be fair, the only other major Lio repaint is Galva Convoy and they probably didn’t do him because they couldn’t find a subline to fit him into>>11634509It’s especially weird because they did a package refresh of TM2 Megatron for no reason instead of him
>>11633963Tripredacus and Magnaboss.>Captcha SKYW4P
>>11634519i dont have haslab money.. they had better not.>>11634518well the first run of tm2 megatron was too small.they basically have no fucking idea how much product to sell, which.. I have to admit, of all the idiotic things they do, that one feels the most relatable.
>>11634518>the only other major Lio repaint is Galva ConvoyWhat about Flash Lio Convoy?
>>11634522Or more importantly, his green lion form? It's never gotten a toy.
Lmfao
>>11634485Ah man I didn't see that. I'm hoping to get the Insecticons in the 3 pack next year if they aren't battle damaged.
>>11634461>getting bothWhy would you do this to yourself>>11634468I forgot that existed>>11634505>8500 yen and up>just have to wait for the off-chance that someone wants to sell a second-hand bootleg
>>11634528>I've given up.
>>11634528who's that one fat guy that was in all those teen movies.. didn't he make that exact face once really sweaty and frustrated
>>11634528This's literally just what he looks like. What is the issue
>>11634519I refuse to believe they couldn’t do those at a Commander price point>>11634521I can see how it would be somewhat difficult, especially with such a broad audience >>11634522>>11634527>Flash Lio ConvoyI could honestly see them making this a Japanese convention exclusive or something, like how Burning Primal was a movie ticket exclusive of all things>Green Lio ConvoyI feel like this deco is too obscure, even by current Generations standards>>11634530Because I like both Big Convoy and Ultra Mammoth
>>11634557>commanderthink about itmagmatron was barely able to do it, with a really compromised giganoto mode, and his components didn't need to individually transformtripredacus has completely malformed arms and some REALLY awkward robot modes for his individual forms, while magnaboss's entire transformation centers around ironhide who just sucks all around. they are tricky and really hard to fix. no way on earth they'd be at a commander price, even magmatron wouldn't at this point.
>>11634559Alright, what ever the price is for a multipack with a Leader and two Voyagers (maybe even a Voyager and two Deluxes) would be. My point is that they don’t need a HasLab budget to work
>>11633898It's japan's market, they haven't sold SS Wheeljack/Que, Japanese ppl who got him had to importSomething similar is that they haven't got KSI Widow (so don't be surprised when next year they'll announce her)>>11633953It wasn't said it was from the 86 mold, Evan said it's from a Bumblebee moldhttps://youtu.be/OXaZNa395xw?si=mpK4aubyFHNURK__&t=593not the dogshit 86 mold in mind>>11634021>>11634024These are Mark Maher fanfics, not the norm or a set in stone rule, G2 Dead End & Breakdown weren't renamed into idk... Rear End & FreakdownSame for the entire Toxitron Collection subline (except that Jazz motorbike into whoever Laser Cycle is)>>11634518Idk you but I would put the Emerald Green & Flash Yellow repaints way above Galva Convoy, on the basis that he should exist alongside a proper Galvatron (he has his colors ffs)
>>11634565or a rule set in stone*God i'm tired
>>11634557>Haslab Tripredacus and Magnaboss is the price of two Commanders taped together.
>>11634601ugh I am not spending 180 on them no matter how perfect they arebut I also find it basically unthinkable that it would be below 130, if they actually did it right... just becuase of how they've been doing it
>>11634644Listen, you're paying for six Transformers and I'm trying to carry a bit; work with me here, man.
>>11634010>>11634565>These are Mark Maher fanfics, not the norm or a set in stone ruleMy piss-yellow Grimlock leads Grimlocks Grounders (G2 for short) against Jhiaxus' clone army. The Grounders have had their weapons and equipment modified by Wheeljack to account for virtually any combat situation, albeit at the cost of their mobility. The garish, electronic war paint was Grimlock's idea, of course.
Going to Japan in December.Never been before, looking forward to checking out all the toy stores there
Back from Japan before December.I've always been there before, hate checking out all the toy stores there
Never going to Japan, all the good transformers are designed in China.
Been messing around with MPG Godbomber. He's fun, but I hate transforming it to robot mode, a complete pain in the ass. Haven't gotten around to combining it into God Ginrai yet, bit once I find that video with the proper steps for the chest, I'll go for it.
Is Japan even a real place
>>11634668oh you meant the two together would be a haslab the price of two commanders? I still doubt it.
>>11634669i love shelfcanons>>11634715not for long
>>11634724>not for longNyooooom
>>11634212Counterproposal:
>>11634765Hasbro are COWARDS to not replicate this masterpiece.
>>11634765>>11634768I’m shocked that Volvo Prime wasn’t designed to replicate this guy a lot more, feels like a missed opportunity
>>11633952If something as shitty looking as liokaiser managed to make it then basically anything will
>>11634760that is a cute bnnuy>>11634776ah but anon, brand recognition is #1! just like in the food service industry, what matters most is the font on the menu.You can't have optimus prime without his iconic blue shins! so the shins cannot be made of the cab, you fool!
>>11634783It’s funny you say that given the first use of this mold didn’t have blue shins
>>11634785that's Santa brand recognition, he needs Santa's iconic black gloves and boots. Santa invented this whole idea.
>Lost Haslab Optimus shows up a few days ago.>Haven't had a chance to open it>Start doing the fixes, start with the pelvis>The ratchet is already broken Fuck this haslab so much.
>>11634793doesnt that mean that's been repackaged
>>11634793I'm hoping Hasbro execs absolutely rekt the factory who did it.
>>11634528I can relate to him
>>11634793Is that why kits like this still sell?
>>11634854A bit yes, whole Omega Prime haslab was a shitshow. And it's more of a design retardation than factory fuckup (those came in form of yellowing and weird joint tollerances and ratchets). Whole fucking rail system needed to be done in a different way.
>>11634854This kind of coping technique is almost impressive
>>11634793And you probably missed the boat for replacement too, sadly(the replacements are also getting fucked.)
>>11634793>>11634985It's not like there weren't anons here screaming at the top of their lungs trying to prevent your poor financial decisions. Previous Haslabs were a shitshow -- why did you think this was any different / why do you think you're special enough to be an exception?I've said it before and I'll say it again: get fucked. You deserve this. Kickstarting an action figure from the multi-million dollar toy company? Fucking idiot.
So, predictions on which parts of Liokaiser are going to be fucked up?
Mid Convoy reviewhttps://youtu.be/z0N53O217m0?si=aFjYSa-LuX5wmn_wI think I'm fine with my original.
>>11635033Are you blind? The proportions for every bot sucks.
>>11635018Deathsaurus was amazing
>>11635048>one exception out of fiveGreats odds. That's 20% of their HasLabs going without a hitch.
>>11635033The joints will be too tight and the ratchets will break. Missing breastmasters. Too much lube.
Well I got my Gekcobot arms. I ordered too hastily though. I have everything I need... except for a Right shoulder.
So...I guess we're never getting an official US release of Kiryu Optimus?
>>11635045This confirms that you can pose the pauldrons like in the original toy at least.
>>11635072doesnt quite seem right but i'm bad at 3d spatial shit
>>11635061I'm cheering for you, Geckobot anon.
good lord, he's teeny
>>11635076It's close, they never went over the shoulders on the original toy either.
it's weird, this new guy is technically better at storing his kibble, but the shapes overall are just worse, so it feels inferior.I'd rather we got a missing link of the original (er, but not at ML prices)
Did the MPG God Ginrai combination. It's much better than Raiden, but still flawed:-Lining up the chest is a nightmare, specially if you try doing it to avoid paint chipping Ginrai or chrome chipping.-The combination cannot handle the weight, the knees and hips will give out pretty easily.-The chest tabs are also finicky. The upper tabs can move out of place and have a side panel you can accidentally move inward while combining, meanwhile the bottom tabs are too long. You can't modify the bottom tabs too much either since they're also used for Godbombers robot mode.-The backpack is entirely held by the back cannon, which can be an issue if you improperly modified it to prevent damage (the springs in those areas are too tight, and some people have opted to remove them entirely).Like, a good half of Godbombers issues in general involve alignment issues, making any transformation a chore. The one positive I can say, is that once everything id in place, most modes are rock solid. The only part that doesn't stay in place well are the shoulder pieces for God Ginrai, the pegs aren't big enough and their attachment points to store them in other modes do little to keep them in place.
>>11634038>>11634182I found out about this yesterday, it's so depressing. Yurofuck too so I can't even look at bumfuck nowhere Targets
>>11635045>>11635072>>11635095he looks so skinny
>>11635129It's the suspender strapsThose are the real hurdle
>>11635153skinny and stumpy at the same time. he looks way too thick around the middle but with skinny arms.
>>11635129Also, I get why they did it, but they really should have made ginrai without metal. They did it to counterbalance the weight of the backpack for transformation, but it's honestly not necessary.Ginrai's cab being made of metal also makes it susceptible to paint chip for God Ginrai (the intended method will chip the paint) and the super ginrai transformation will cause paint rub (my copy already has some at the right side, near the bottom).With the way they designed the toy, they should have just made the connecting areas on Super Ginrai have either removable parts, or flip out pieces to reveal another type of connection. Having the removable parts on SG reveal a rail system at the top would help a lot, same for Godbombers crotch connection.
>>11635095It’s about the right size based on the anime
I got seven of those walmart 2-packs and I can feel the greed consuming me. The only one I wanted but couldn't get (as the stock is region) was the chase/windblade set. I already have windblade, but I'd like to have the policeman.
>>11635186Also, ironically enough, Big had the smallest toy out of the three BW Convoys (not counting Bat Optimus)
>>11635033>So, predictions on which parts of Liokaiser are going to be fucked up?Deathcobra for maximum show accuracy.
>>11635188yeah the other guys got huge ones, but...>>11635186Iunno man he should be more than half a head taller than lio.
>>11634985>>11635018Yeah, yeah. Keep simmering Hasbro with complaints, and surely, they could downscale the prices and productions of non-Unicron HasLabs, most particularly Omega Prime, into retail. Not!Of course, unless the complaints weigh too heavy on them that they will force themselves to release Optimus Prime and Ultra Magnus separately, at the cost of the Omega Blade and the rising road platform stands (though to some, maybe they could add the Omega Blade somewhere else). Too much copium inhaled to say this, but points for trying.
Okay, let's talk Blokees Transformers. While it's great to see Megatronus, you know what I should ask for next: Zeta Prime. We never see Zeta Prime transform at all, and they might not bring him up for a long, long time after seeing the leaks spanning between 2026 to Winter 2027, so Blokees making him first before Hasbro is the only move they have to do.
>>11635047Not talking about proportions - I'm talking about defects/breakage issues. Let's worry about whether or not the toys are actually going to be in one piece before nitpicking about their proportions; besides, I'm assuming anyone who was dumb enough to fund the thing already saw what they were going to look like and we're fine enough with it.
>>11635055>Too much lube.From my experience, you can never have too much lube.
>>11634985Worse, that missing Optimus was my replacement. I had to contact them again and instead of just sending me the broken part, they're apparently sending yet another optimus.
>>11635055and Hellbat will be arrested on rape charges,
>>11635273I've never seen Blokees transformers, outside of these threads.
>>11635270>Yeah, yeah. Keep simmering Hasbro with complaints, and surely, they could downscale the prices and productions of non-Unicron HasLabs, most particularly Omega Prime, into retail. Not!I vote with my wallet. Served me just fine. I keep my oodles of cash and I don't have a broken, fucked up Hasbro toy. What I really take umbrage with is you assholes still whining about your poor purchases. Get the fuck over it already and stop pretending like crowdfunding is ever a good idea.
Star saber couldve been way better without the fucked up QCs
>>11635314And I'm sure Road Caesar could follow suit.So, does anyone think the other Brainmasters should keep their names, or change them to internalize the Motorvator identity in Euro G1, but with slightly different names for the leg bots due to already sharing names (Gripper, Flashfire, Thunderbolt)?
>>11635321Sounds like too much work when you can just copy the existing names they used in the show.
>>11635287Just finding ideas to where we could get a Zeta Prime somehow. I have a strange feeling Studio Series could merge his One and IDW Comic designs, though it's most likely just IDW Zeta Prime in his One coloration, same axe and everything.
>>11635323The name change might just be because of Blacker's name probably being too racist enough to some. That could result in merging the existences of the Brainmasters and Motorvators anyway.
>>11635326Blackjack, Blackout, and other Black names happen already. Unlikely.
>>11635328'Blacker' has a negative connotation in the American South. Don't ask why, I don't dictate how Americans think.
>>11635348I'm sure calling someone Thundercracker would be slur as well.
>>11635326>>11635348Not to defend Hasbro too much, but I honestly think they would keep it given they can argue that it’s a perfectly normal word, unlike something like slag which genuinely is an offensive word in the UK
Blackdecker
>>11635308crowdfunding is a great idea made necessary by some very bad decisions
>>11635356you do understand those are both completely made up concepts, right? words aren't inherently either of those things.
>>11635366Why no Autobot He-Man then?
>>11635368wotthat's not a 'normal' or 'offensive' word, that's just two products put together. help me out.
>>11635356>slag which genuinely is an offensive word in the UKThe UK doesn't matter and I will always call Slag Slag.
>>11635370it's also not an offensive word, it's a word you use for someone you dislike. trying to ban those is orwellian bullshit.to say ALL birds are slags would be offensive.
>>11635362I always wondered if it would have been better if HasLab was a made-to-order service instead, but I guess that’s kind of what it already is>>11635370Well Hasbro still has to sell their toys there and wants brand unity so his name's legally Slug. (Funnily enough, Takara never had to alter his name since Slug and Slag are spelled the same in Japanese
>>11635376The UK can rename Slag to Slut if they want to, final offer take it or leave it you limey cigarettes.
>>11635376time was we told other countries to fuck off if they didnt like our words
>>11635356>unlike something like slag which genuinely is an offensive word in the UKSo what word do they use to describe molten metal runoff left over from the smelting process? Because that's what slag is.
>>11635410you can't use that kind of logic in the UK today, you go to prison
I was suddenly interested in Kingdom Warpath, and then I read "All of Warpath's gray-white plastic parts are prone to photodegradation." Goddammit Hasbro.
>>11634528>>11634537But it's the dogshit SS86 Mold lmao
>>11635422I have no idea where that came up, there hasnt been any reports over itin any case the gobots 4 pack have a warpath redeco
>>11635326>The name change might just be because of Blacker's name probably being too racist enough to some.They should keep Blacker's name and rename the other two to Black and Blackest.
>>11635410It also means prostitute.
I really don't get why Bone Shaker isn't a Decepticon.
>>11635427Maybe Mattel don't want their cars to be seen as evil.
>>11635426not reallyi mean most prostitutes are slags, but high-class escorts are not
>>11635429I guess? I'm headcanoning he's a Con anyway.
>>11635427Do the Hot Wheels bots have faction signs?
>>11635426So? "Hoe" in American English both refers to a garden implement and is shorthand for 'whore'. That doesn't mean we suddenly can't use the term at all. Slag very clearly isn't a prostitute, so his name is most certainly referencing the smelting process - y'know, 'cuz he's made of metal?
>>11635432Twin Mill does. Bone Shaker only has one on his stick shift/club. On top of an 'X' made of bones.
>>11635434congrats anon, you've hit on the difference between the US and UK
>>11635434>Slag very clearly isn't a prostitute>citation needed
>>11635436>stick shift turns into a clubokay that's clever but wouldn't it look like a fucking turkey baster in his hand? or else be a fucking gigantic shifter in car mode
>>11635448Yes to both, actually.
>my roomate returned>left Orange Tarantulus on his bed>hear him scream from my roomThanks Hasbro. Lol
>>11635455wow, worst of both>>11635460kek. nice. Can't cry foul if he smashes it, though
>>11635422>>11635424I love my kingdom warpath and take it in the sun a lot, the white paint has only discolored ever so slightly>>11635423devastation bee isn't the 86 mold (although it's still probably going to be dogshit)
>>11635427Yeah, he really does look like a Decepticon, even down to having red eyes. Even his name Bone Shaker, is Decepticon-like. It really reeks of some last minute change to appease Mattel because they didn't want the collab bots to be villains or something.
>>11635464>Can't cry foul if he smashes it, thoughDoubt it, dude is scared of everything.
>>11635479I see it as a ghost rider situation, they're a hero, but like, a very brutal one. A good contrast to whenever they make heroic decepticons (thundercracker)
>>11635489Does he have a useless Penance Stare as well?
>>11635504depends on the writer
>>11635486fear doesn't make you smash things?i mean i've been paralyzed by huge spiders or centipedes before, but.. I've smashed my share of them too.
>>11635479Bone Shaker needs to be on a Thunderbolts style team with Impactor, Blades and Cliffjumper.
>>11635504If death has no definitely in comics, then does it matter?
>>11635434
>>11633161>>11633247>>11633250
Optimus ExPrime
>>11635427>>11635479I'm fine with him being an edgelord Autobot. Look at how many irl soldiers and special forces guys wear skull shirts, skull jewelry, have edgy tattoos, etc.You guys have read the character bios for Repugnus and Slag and even Sunstreaker right? There are arguably much worse people on the Autobot team than a guy who was forged at a Hot Topic.
>>11635658He could be a Wreckers fanboy who wishes he was as hardcore as Roadbuster and Impactor.
Can Hasbro PLEASE make a new Roadbuster and Whirl.
>>11635722It's only been 11 years. Give me the Omnibots first.
>>11635738We just got new Omnibots 20 years ago in the Alternators line. Don't be greedy, we totally need a new run of Dinobots that are just Titan Class now.
>>11635738I think HasTak has completely forgotten that the Omnibots even exist. They haven’t gotten new toys in a long time, they never show up in fiction, even the Powerdashers get referenced more often
>>11635722More excited for Bandai/Goodsmile making Mugen Calibur and Ovelon Gazette instead.
>>11635738>>11635794>>11635800Dafuq's an Omnibot?
>>11635818My point exactly. Tl:dr, they’re a group of Autobots released in 1984 through mail-in order who share the gimmick of both a vehicle mode and “attack” mode like the DOTM mechtech toyshttps://tfwiki.net/wiki/Omnibot_(G1)
>>11635804Even Rescue Bots referenced this
funny how so much of this line is just fucking bumblebee
>>11635188>"big" convoy is cursed to be a botlet foreverheh...
>>11635800
I've spent too much on merch, so I'm sharing this. Hobby Genki has the MPM Bonecrusher for 60 bucks.
>>11635846>Bee takes up almost 20% of the slotsHoly shit that's dire.
>>11635846>>11635881This is what happens when him and Optimus are the only Autobots to have any focus in most of the movies>>11635865I was mostly joking earlier, but it is nice to see that they are trying to find a way to make new toys of lesser characters
>>11635896>>11635865Id love to see them do an exclusive Omnibots 3pack of original molds that keep that weaponizer feature. They could retool/recolor them into retail release Throttlebots and hit both lines at once.
ENERGONBROS...
>>11635188If AoTP big convoy didnt looked so skinny itll be passable, even in your pic the old toy clearly had more mass in the arms
>>11635911>Dark Energon Megatron>cybertronic>cybertreadThis obviously has nothing to do with the Energon cartoon.
>>11635911Weird that Optimus and Megatron don't have classes listed but the cyber thingies do.
>>11635931Clearly it means that Energon and Dark Energon are the new names of size classes
The changing of size class names/sizes really triggers my tism
>>11635944Remember when commander class was figures smaller than deluxes? Haha
>>11635944Well get used to it, because they aren't going back. That brief, windowed view into the excellence that Siege offered us has washed away like footprints in the sand. Welcome to Hell, bud. That'll be $45 for a voyager.
>>11635946>>11635947The worst thing is looking into a vintage figure and having to take a full college course to figure out how it scales because nothing matters anymore
>>11635947>That'll be $45 for a voyager.sentinel prime did this
>reprint Runamok >but not RunaboutWhy are they so fucking stupid? This is unprecedented. How do I get my hands around Evan's scrawny neck? I must slap him around until he understands.
>>11635947Size classes haven't been perfect since Cybertron >legend>scout>deluxe>voyager>ultra>leader>supreme
>>11635969Evan does Studio SeriesYour beef is with Mark
>>11635969Do you think there's any chance of a Runabout reprint? I love them but I don't think I'd ever want just one of them. They're as package deal as Transformers come.
>>11635969Probably because runabout was an exclusive
>>11635947>That brief, windowed view into the excellence that Siege offered usIn the context of you replying to a post about inconsistent size classes, what the heck are you talking about? Siege may have had some good figures (as well as some bad ones), but it was also the start of, "Here's a figure that isn't substantial enough to be leader class, but rather than sell it as a voyager, we'll pack in a bunch of useless crap most people are gonna ignore," with Shockwave and Astrotrain.
>>11635987But they reprinted Thrust
>>11635978They probably will, just be patient.I'll give Hasbro credit, over the last year or so they've re-released a LOT of figures that were hard to find. Ultra Magnus, Cosmos, Beachcomber, Thrust, now Breakdown next year, etc. I'm confident we'll get our Runabout.
>>11635998And he was still an exclusive. They’re probably going to reissue Runabout once Target gives them the green light, so they reissued Runamuck in the meantime
>>11635846Wait, Hound was in Studio Series 86??
>>11636023Technically yes, he was supposed to be released through Buzzworthy Bumblebee but that got delayed and canceled alongside the original release of Hatchet
>>11636023By technicalityfucked up hes stuck in a 5 pack
>>11635995astro was an ER leader thoughbeit
>>11636072that was just a reissue
>>11635972MARCUS YOUR TIME IS TICKING AWAY PREP YOUR ANUS FOR MY ARRIVAL
I am patiently waiting for Hasbro to quit their bullshit and reissue haslab SUTAA SEIBA and DEZAURASU. I already have the big fancy Iron Trans Star Saber, but I want the haslab one too.
>>11635846NOT THE BEES!
>>11635995Siege Shockwave fucks and I expressly bought a spare one to give my DCS SW the armor. Astrotrain stops at being an alright triple changer. The accessories for him are ass and don't match the character, really. Fuck does he need a pair of caboose slippers for? A bunch of 3d printed fixes though and it's still better than whatever garbage was being churned out by Kingdom. As for his size, Astro is expressly a mass-shifter. You can't argue scale over this guy when he's Blitzwing's height like half the time. The accessories complaint I get, but what, you want them to bend the laws of physics for a $35 price point?
>>11635622Lol got'em
>>11636096Haslabs are one-and-done; they've explicitly stated they weren't doing reissues. The only reason we got a second run of Unicron was because those were leftover stock from people who backed out the first time around.
>>11635970ehhI'd argue that kingdom had perfect size classes. Core (legends), deluxe, voyager, leader, commander, titanI don't think there needs to be a stepping point between core and deluxe, because of figures like '86 bee existingI can see the need for an ultra class between voyager and leader though.
>>11636106>Astrotrain stops at being an alright triple changer. The accessories for him are ass and don't match the character, really. Fuck does he need a pair of caboose slippers for?Hot take but i actually like the accessories, if only to give it to other decepticons
>>11636072Astrotrain was literally released in Siege. He was then reissued in Earthrise.
>>11636106It isn't a question of what size/scale Astrotrain *should* be. That has nothing to do with the subject of consistency in size classes in Siege. Regardless of Astrotrain's lore, alt modes, fictional depictions, etc, he was an example of a figure Hasbro had to give a bunch of accessories in order to justify charging a leader price point for.
>>11636114>I can see the need for an ultra class between voyager and leader though.Especially back when leaders were as big as they were
>>11636132yeahhh old leaders were huge, there was a gap there.
>>11636132I find it hilarious that cybertron OPs arm (singular) has more plastic than ER OPs entire torso
>>11636146It's probably close, given how dense ER's torso is with everything packed inside
>>11632513Hasbro have been on a streak of fucking up tankformers recently. Brawl looks okay but he's a voyager figure with no wrists.
>>11635818YOU GET OUT OF HERE!!!!
>>11633134SS86 Megatron (like Optimus) is too big but Big Convoy really should have been somewhere between leader and commander class. His rear mammoth legs are completely static.
>>11635898BETTER BE SOON!
>>11636096Not worth it, Star Saber was terrible and most of those issues were completely avoidable.
>>11636161wait you mean, they aren't balljointed on his robot legs?
>>11633525Would triple dip on Jazz if SS86 was repainted into the other G2 colour scheme. I can't put my finger on what I like about it.
>>11636169the colors are pretty coool. the car design needed one more pass. having a spoiler half the width of your rear axle does not compute unless you're a dragster (and even then, might be wider)
all I'm saying is people would buy less hasbro slop if 3p did more chug scale why did it take until ss86 Optimus Prime for us to get an earthrise scale gun Megatron
>>11633897Hound is exclusive to a Gen Selects 5-pack because fuck you. Apparently Sunstreaker is getting a new figure, not just a repaint?
>>11636174nobody knows what 86 streaker is exactly but there is a damn good chance it's a new mold. Likely also a pretool of wheeljack (because let's be honest, wfc wheeljack isn't the greatest)Hound is getting a ss86 release in the target mtmte collection according to leaked listings, man that mtmte collection is going to be stacked with pink hot rod and starscream
>>11633922They've mentioned having an interest in making a smaller Unicron toy that isn't the usual planet design. Presumably the Cybertron incarnation?
>>11636169I absolutely would for that deco as well - that's the version of Jazz I grew up with.
>>11633963My guess is Grandus, Sky Garry or both. RID Megatron/Gigatron could work as a retail figure, either commander or mini titan.
>>11636179why would they do that? Can't they just make smaller scale planet toy
>>11634010It's a cool repaint but I skipped him because he doesn't match the other G2 Dinobots.
>>11636131You got the same amount of plastic compared to a Leader, just split between the figure and accessories. The cost was the exact same to manufacture. Hell, Blitzwing + accessories probably has more plastic per square inch on him than 86 Megs.Now you don't even get that for the (former) Leader price point.
>>11634038Runamuck got a rerun so maybe Runabout will too? G1 Breakdown is coming next year so don't overpay for him.
>>11634063I didn't get the cracked abs (shaved him down as soon as I took him out of the box) but one of Optimus' super mode fingers was messed up. I forgot when we're supposed to be getting the replacement parts.
>>11635566The pitch of Thunderbolts style really should be more along the lines of Starscream and who else he can rope into it posing as an Autobots.
>>11636187Ok but SS thundercracker is a voyager, slightly taller than the earthrise seeker mold to boot
Do you guys see Galvatron's fusion cannon as solid or transparent? As in, which one looks more "correct" to your mind's eye?
>>11634776I can picture in my head how easy this would be to retool into G2 Hero Optimus Prime. They'd just need to remove the knee pads, add a swivel below the knee so the thighs can be inverted and tweak the shaping of the truck and robot parts to closer match the toy (and remove the Volvo connection).
>>11634500>magenta colourNo thanks. Give me the Velocitron colour scheme instead, so he matches Rodimus.
>>11636202never been a g1 guy but I feel like the ideal would be mostly opaque but with clear windows.
>>11636132And even then Hasbro managed to find ways of being cheap and save some cents per copy, that Cybertron Optimus has less paint apps than the original Galaxy Convoy release (top of the leg cannons and center of the knees)
>>11635033His right combiner hip ratchet is going to be misassembled and prone to breaking. The second you make him do a high kick, you're going to hear a loud crack followed by Killbison slamming into the table. Oh and look forward to spending $50+ on forearm covers/replacements for the individual robots because Hasbro once again left gaping holes in the arms.
>>11635911>>11635921It's Prime. So a new Prime Megatron corrupted with Dark Energon, eh? People are gonna pay a lot for when we see a "normal" Prime Megatron in the next line for 2027...
>>11635436So if I toss the stick in a box and give him a proper weapon, he can be on whatever team I want. Nice.
>>11635865>evan wants to make it a pulse exclusiveEvan can go fuck himself. Put them on store shelves where kids can actually see them.
>>11635911Don't get my hopes up like this. Energon Optimus Prime obviously wouldn't be in one of these capsule lines. I'm interested to see what they turn out to be though.
>>11635969I wish they would do more rereleases instead of shitting out half-assed new figures. Their new toy budget is being stretched thin by them attempting to release three (new) combiner teams and the Thirteen as quickly as possible.
>>11636168Nope. They're fully built into the back of the mammoth. The front legs don't have knees, so they can't do a proper walking pose.
>>11636234yeah that's the last fucking straw then.in fairness though, nobody expects them to move IN beast mode, since that would involve clipping into the fur. you can either put the shoulders and hips out stupid wide like a Zoid or something, or you can give up on articulation for any fluffy and fat animal. you notice Rhinox never has much.
>>11636176I don't mind WFC Wheeljack. He just needs a couple of panels to hide his hollow shins and his hands are a bit weird. Wheeljack's design means he won't look much different when Hasbro inevitably strips away the fun mechanical surface detailing.
>>11636234okay I checked it out, they can fold OUT from their position, and they can hinge up and down TOGETHER, so they're not totally immobile in robot mode, but... woof. startin to think i wouldn't get any recolors unless they went supremely on sale... ... say what are the secondary market prices looking like for the original recolors?
>>11636202It's got to be clear. SS86 is such a downgrade.
>>11636237If Big Convoy sells anything like Leo Prime, expect to be able to find him for deluxe price in a year's time. Nobody wanted Nemesis Leo Prime.
>>11636239I literally bought two of them.in any case, yeahhh.. Wouldn't it be swell if a chinaman bootlegged Big Convoy but about 15-20% bigger, with retooled ... ... well almost everything.. but hey if he's upscaling it, it's not any more work to change proportions around too, and add joints, and make the trunk less shitty, and...
>>11636242I've been waiting for an OSKO of Kingdom Inferno for years but no luck...
>>11636220If they're doing Prime toys, can we please get a modernized version of my boy here?
>>11636199Yeah, and fifteen bucks more expensive than it should be. Enough of this circular crap. Hasbro's prices are bullshit and will continue to be bullshit.
>>11636236My main problem with him is the weird arm proportions and the annoying clashing going on with the shoulders and backpack/vehicle roof
>>11636239>Nobody wanted Nemesis Leo Prime.it was a shit deco for the mold
>>11636199with better engineering tooexcept it doesn't justify the new price point because the earthrise seeker was a rehash of classics with nothing new besides wfc greebling and ankle tilts
>>11636187>split between the figure and accessoriesAnd that's exactly the problem! The figure itself wasn't substantial enough to be leader class, so they had to add a whole mess of accessories to justify charging the leader price point for it. So Siege wasn't some glorious period of size class consistency because it was where Hasbro started doing stupid stuff to justify charging leader class prices for figures that themselves shouldn't be leader class.
>>11636249Personally, I would have greatly preferred a Galva Convoy color scheme. But even though I love the Leo Prime figure, the lion's head is so awful that I feel like that might be a bigger turn-off than any choice of alternate color scheme. I'm looking forward to my 40th anniversary figure arriving with the more anime-inspired lion head.
>>11636244god I just now realize what bugs me about these wings.. I mean a lot of things, but especially how there's a fucking elbow bend midway down the radius/ulna.. Like i can tolerate an elbow spike, that's kind of wing tradition, and we're going with like, pterosaur wing finger setups here, so that's acceptabru. Better with a pteroid propatagium, but still..but come on, why would you do that? it's like they felt it had to be SLICK AND COOL and so it has to be an S. I mean that would also explain his jagged claws.
>>11636249I don't dig the teal claws, but beyond that, I can't disagree more. And unlike regular Lio, the robot arms aren't blatantly visible in beast mode.>>11636251I wish they'd go back to borrowing from peter to pay paulif there's one simple transformers character, and one very complex one, I'm okay with the company selling them at the same price point, as long as they nailed them both. and I'll understand the simple guy is essentially paying the complex guy's way.
>>11636254oh also he came with lio's gun from the show! as far as I'm concerned, he's a mandatory buy. and I loved redeco-ing him. if I was rich, I'd do it again. why not a blue lion? or a deep reddish tan one with black stripes, fucking nemean lion. maybe with copper/bronze robot mode colors... there's so much potential. GOD i love robots and animals and robot animals.
>>11636244Yes. He'll 100% be a new mold. Compare that to Onyx Prime, who should be remolded into Jungle Planet Scourge (not an obsession, just stating facts).
>>11636249It was. You look at a Nemesis Prime, you see black, teal, red, silver. This is just black, grey, and minor teal highlights. It sucks.
>>11636268It is boring but it's supposed to be Copy Convoy and in all fairness that's how he looks. I would have double dipped and grabbed him if the lion head wasn't so silly looking. I might still get it if they do a version with the new remold that's coming out.
Hopefully they won't fuck up the Universe Nemesis Prime deco on Big Convoy so badly if they do it.
>>11636249>>11636268Anons it's based on the black evil copy clone from the show, You can dislike the design but it predates Nemesis and was never meant to be Nemesis>why is it called NemesisHasbro
>>11636270>>11636274I didn't say the deco is innaccurate, I said it sucks, and it does, and it made for an uninteresting figure. It sucks so much every prior figure of the character reversed the black and grey layout to try and add life to the deco.
>>11636278Well you were evoking Nemesis Prime, and it was ambiguous whether you were comparing it to something else black or whether you were expecting this to be a Nemesis Lio Convoy>the past two toys made the mane and other bits silverFair enough. I don't think either looks great, but at least the silver makes it more interesting, contrasting the gold as an evil leader.
>>11636268Not even arguing but where do you think more teal would have been good?Looking at Scourge, the guy who, if I'm not mistaken, started the trend, he has teal on>his inner helmet edges (maybe Leo could have used it on the fronts of his cheeks?)>rims around his windows and shoulders (might have been possible here around Leo's pecs and maybe the little triangles on his bicepites)>crotch detail (got it)>thigh detail (lion thighs, can't do that here)>knee detail (could totally have worked here)yeah I can't disagree. I might add some of those myself. But then, is this how he looked in the anime?>>11636270ah yes, so it is.yeah I think Ima try what I suggested, and paint over his claws because those are retarded.
>>11636270>Copy's forearm claws are the lighter gray of his fur, rather than the deeper black of his mane which it should be because it's made of mane piecesmistonk spotted.
Ima also apoxie his brow, now that i've seen this picture where it's sharp and cool lookin. might also give him the chin scruff. havent sculpted in a while though.
>>11636270The lion head looking retarded is why I havent bought any version of this mold. The ones with the blank eyes look especially bad.
>>11636324i think it's almost perfect, they just should have altered the expression and position. If I knew how to handle 3d files, I could fix it in ten seconds.
>>11636207>KaneI wanted Pomni or Kinger, but I got Ragatha.Twice
>>11636393Who? What? I have no idea what any of that means.
>>11636402NTA, but that teeth man is from a show, and all those words are characters from said show.
>>11636402The figure on Optimus in >>11636207 is the character Caine from the TV show The Amazing Digital Circus. Pomni, Kinger, and Ragatha are all other characters from it
>>11631838Is studio series que any good?
>>11636423Mid at best, what old man can really do?>tfw you only got him to pose with Soundwave and Barricade
>>11636423>I want a guy like Q in my movie to hand out gadgets to the good guys>in fact just call him that, call him Que>make him look like Einstein, that's funny!Okay, what do you want him to do next?>die horribly! hahaha!Years later and I still don't know what the fuck they were thinking with this entire film franchise.
>>11636600I always felt like the writers of the Bayverse movies didn't know what to do with a lot of the Transformers that weren’t Optimus, Bumblebee, and Megatron
>>11636600>>11636608The name was probably because of trademark. '09-'14 Hasbro were shitting their nappies over not securing basic names like Jazz and Crasher decades prior, but what do you expect from a company that just tossed all of its old materials out on a whim?
>>11636633Between Wheeljack and Perceptor, they had two easy names to reuse which had been done recently.
>>11636608they had no idea what to do with megs either
>>11636600What the fuck were they thinking executing the jolly old man character like that? It wasn't even painless. They shot him TWICE, unarmed, on his knees, after saying goodbye to his friend. Then his head falls off and rolls away. THEN they push Bumblebee onto his mangled corpse?! One of the saddest things I have ever seen.
NOO OPTIMUS>gets double tapped
>>11636600They were thinking "pass me more coke and hookers"
>>11636675"Yeah, Galvatron sucked so we're just gonna pretend that never happened"
>>11636171Yes, the multiple world championship winning car needed one more pass -_-
>>11636600>>11636692In the novelization, which was based off of the original script, it's Dino who got executed. Que still died, though - Driller pushed him into a river where he got torn apart by a bunch of Decepticons, so the execution was arguably the least painful way for him to go out.
>>11636202I definitely see the appeal of the translucent cannon but I prefer it to be opaque.
So I got Swoop plus some other stuff in the mail today.Right off the bat the knee joint ratchet was loose on Swoop. I was able to tighten it and it’s able to hold for now.
>>11636202For me, it's translucent with sparkles.
>>11626488>Sidenote does anyone else think Mixmaster not using his mixer as a fuckoff arm cannon in his robot mode is a huge missed opportunity?So how come none of you niggas told me about this guy when we talked about cement trucks? HolyfuckIneedhim
>>11636829I have the Quickmix deco of this guy. The giant cement arm cannon is definitely one of his high-points. Found both halves of his cement drum and the missile recently after all these years.
>>11636639>recentlyRecently isn't '09-'14. As I said, they were scrambling and throwing things at the wall for names that didn't have a secure trademark. I agree that the writers are retards. I'm just stating that the retards couldn't think of a solution in time for DotM
>>11636845I just adore the colors on Heavy Load. Plus Decepticons are just cooler AND you get a little mini constructicon color minicon
>>11636768I don't even remember if Dino had any lines, he was the red car wasn't he? I have no desire to rewatch any of these trainwrecks.
>>11636847Both of those were good enough to pass at the time of Armada when there was a longer gap. Wheeljack was used for a toy at least as recently as 2005 (Alternators) and was used the exactly year after DotM as Wheeljack. That was one of the names that they found managed to pass.
>>11636852IIRC he's the one who says Optimus is in a bad mood when he's having a sulk in truck mode, after finding out that the Transformers caused Chernobyl.
>>11636768Speaking of the novelization, I’ve always preferred its ending over the final movie’s ending. It’s much more satisfying to see Optimus and Megatron come to a truce instead.>but then we don’t have a villain for the next movieCome up with a new one or take one from Transformers history, there’s tons the choose from
>>11636766the rear fenders and spoiler on the toy are nothing like this, they totally biffed it
Okay, Black Friday. So, is Amalgamous Prime readily available to sell today, and if it is, anyone got one or how many you want just for all sorts of alt modes?
Anyone know a good decal kit applicable to this guy? I love him but I'm real autistic about my emblems. Seems finnicky with his scale.
>>11636915frustrating being poor this time of year. all my business comes in in January.I could grab the naruto transformers on mercari for an acceptable price, but...
>>11636934Wrong thread - that's for the 3rd Party General.Nice mold, though - I have the Ramjet version, and I love him (even though he's tiny). He even comes with an even tinier Thunderclash to Powerlinx with. Can't really help you with decals, though.
>>11636952My B anon>(even though he's tiny)Deskformers are bestformers for me so I don't mind. The size is half the appeal to me, the other half is poseability. It seems like the most articulated Armada Starscream from what I can tell. That could be super wrong so feel free to correct
>>11636829>>11636849never understood why they didn't make this repaint Mixmaster. Especially since he was missing from the earlier set
>>11636934Aliexpress has plenty of cheap faction decals. If you have a good resin 3d printer you could make a transforming mini con too. https://cults3d.com/en/3d-model/game/minicon-swindle-for-transformers-legacy-starscream?srsltid=AfmBOorWA1ETSSbKhp6Fl5fFo32JomWAzM_W8Wodm3cDZaZjr-FNgILM
>>11636959>Aliexpress has plenty of cheap faction decalsNot sure I want them cheap, though. I'd rather have something that looks good, I don't mind shelling out>swindleThat's adorable
>>11636956>My B anonNo problem - to be honest, I personally don't even care - but I know there are certain anons here who flip their shit the moment a 'bootleg' is mentioned outside of its splinter thread. Of course, there are ways around it - like posting them with an official product so they have nothing to bitch about.>Deskformers are bestformers Agreed. I miss Core-class already...>It seems like the most articulated Armada Starscream from what I can tellDon't know if it's THE most poseable, but it certainly has all of the articulation of the Hasbro Legacy Voyager mold, has a better transformation scheme, and has an actual transforming wing-blade, all despite its much smaller scale. Definitely worth grabbing if you're a fan of ArmadaScream.
>>11636962Aliexpress is affordable. Most of theirs are dry transfers too. Western shit like Toyhax are stickers.
>>11636980>I miss Core-class already...On that topic, my current deskformer is the WFC core class Megatron and I LOVE this guy. His alt mode is ass and the Transformation is annoying, but as a poseable bot mode he owns. He's really limber for his size. Obviously not pulling anything off that isn't a gun point or kneel, but he does far more than just A-pose.>if you're a fan of ArmadaScream.My favorite Transformer by a mile. Why I wanted a (good) core class size of him for ages.
>>11636981DRY transfers? you mean like iron-on? because I'm only familiar with waterslides.
Hasbro really should have gone in with takara for wild king.Extra budget on the figures for head articulation on the energy masters and a couple improved joints and connection points for combination on Optimus and Megatron would have gone a long way. If they had they both got the bulk and rachets of Cybertron Era Ultras or Voyagers they might stand on their own in base forms.This shit is cool as fuck.
>>11636997It's similar. Rub-on decals is another name for them.
>>11637006Is wild king popular or its flopping hard?this is genuine question as i prefer these figures over cyberworld
>>11637007... the only time I've heard rub-on, it meant temp tattoos, which you use water to transfer to your skin
>>11637010The base Optimus and Megatron with Longlight and Volka are pretty easy to aquire, the other energy beasts are a nightmare to aquire at a reasonable price since people buy tons of them because of their extreme customizability. World Dragnus is similarly very expensive, but the quantity is more similar to Optimus and Megatron
>>11636980>>11636989It is a shame that Core class ended up getting cancelled, it was easily one of my favorite size classes introduced. I’ve always wondered what happened to the planned Core class figures like Dinobot that didn’t reach retail. Is there a prototype sitting around somewhere or did it not get that far?
>>11637020Some might just be getting multiples of World Dragnus because of extra Dragoknight Soldiers to make the show-accurate Super Mode. But to be honest, getting only one copy just so that the extras from Nemesis Prime and Shadow Megatron can be used as replacements to make >>11637006 is much cooler, and seems more of an incentive than anything. All that's left is a promo for the Element Shield...Different topic, but the 2026 "Energon-based" capsule wave for Walmart being based on Prime is more because of the idea of giving more well-known versions of certain Artifacts like Prime Optimus getting the Prime version of the Star Saber and Dark Energon Megatron getting the Dark Star Saber, and one of the name pending characters possibly getting the more iconic giant Forge of Solus Prime shaped like a Piko Piko Hammer. That's why I thought of Prime after seeing the listings, especially because Dark Energon is more famously known in that series among others.
>>11637035>shame that Core class ended up getting cancelledI wouldn't have minded it if they had just made something to replace them, like core class did with legends. Now the smallest a bot can get is Deluxe, and while that's my favorite size for display it's too big to be a deskformer imo.
>>11637051>I wouldn't have minded it if they had just made something to replace themYou haven't been buying Cyberworld or Swapticons???
>>11637051>it's too big to be a deskformerGive it another year. Deluxe will be the size of a Core and the price of a Voyager
>>11637053Yet another reason to just buy vintage at scalper prices le sigh
>>11637053You say this as it if wasnt the case already
>>11637020how would he wipe is robobutt?also:>that chestOrangusnake?
Speaking of size classes, are any of the Siege micromasters worth getting? Obviously not paying $20 a piece for this Target exclusive set, but just, the size in general.
>>11637085Some of them are pretty decent but the vast majority are really fragile and shit
>>11637086Miniconbros...... Why must we suffer
>>11637085They’re alright, but their joints tend to pop off easily when transforming them. I only got the Race Car and Hot Rod Patrols and the Micron Micromasters set more because I liked the characters rather than interest in the toys themselves
>>11637093>more because I liked the characters rather than interest in the toys themselvesIt's wild to me that this isn't the main way people collect here but I guess I am also autistic as fuck. If I don't like a character I'll probably never buy a toy of them regardless of how cool it is. This probably limits me far more than most people on here but it saves me a lot of money too so eh
>>11637094I’m usually the same way but you better believe I sat down and watched all of BWII and BWNeo for the first time in order to justify getting Magmatron because I thought he looked cool when he was revealed
>>11637094if I don't know or don't care about a character, but the TOY is cool? I make up my own guy.if I care about a character, but the toy is more than just a bit flawed? Fuckit, he's out. i'll wait for a new better one.
>>11637096Holy basedI kinda plan on doing the same thing because a lot of the Neo designs look nuts. I heard this toy was kinda ass to handle but if he's poseable I could get over that.>>11637100I'm the exact opposite to you. I feel like I'd end up with a full shelf in no time if I was just hipfiring based on designs.
>>11637006>make a line that capitalizes on the 5mm ports and weaponizers harder than ever before>Japan exclusiveI'm switching over to 3P.
>>11637101yeahhh that's basically what happened.i even got every version of the scorponok mold, since the upgrade kit made me feel better about regularnok, and I didn't care if variants of him had kinda stubby legs.
>>11637102holy fucking hell is that the black Stranger Thing? the one who didn't wanna be Winston on Halloween?what fucking year is it on that show now??
>>11637103My issue with a lot of the BW toys is that the joints don't make sense with the normally smooth beast modes. It's the reason Transformers are the only toys I collect, the "jointyness" on every other action figure just looks unnatural when it's on skin or cloth.
>>11637089Don't lump miniconchads with microlets
>>11637102does 3p even make weaponizers>>11637107micromasters and mini-cons are the same thing toywise outside of the port/post mixup>"but the fiction" since when has this thread cared about fiction
>>11637106yeahhhh periodically there's a few cells in my brain reminding me that a jointed figure is never a perfect representation of anything but a roboti just tell that part to shut up and i look at how crappy most statues look
>>11637101The only problem with my plan is that I got super hooked on other characters along the way so now I’m just waiting for Hasbro to announce a box set of Starscream & BB or a deluxe class Scuba
>>11637107I'm not, I just wish there was something that size. Minicons were the only Transformers I was allowed to get as a kid and I have a huge nostaliga tied to that "size class." Picrel is the first set I ever got and considering the prize I'm very tempted to pick them up for the nostalgia.
>>11637112>micromasters and mini-cons are the same thing toywise outside of the port/post mixupMicromasters are all cars or flattened trucks or tanks that involve flipping the legs over and being doneMinicons comes in every shape and transformation sequence
>>11637116aw man. I hope I can have some kids, and that I can buy them some stuff. Right now I can't even buy stuff for me
>>11637115That's the price you pay>box set of Starscream & BB>"hmm surely this existed already">look up price>h-haha nope weird how they never made this
>>11637124Aren't these molds *only* ever as a set?
>>11637124I realized I worded that a bit weirdly, I meant new toys of Starscream and BB as a box set
>>11637126As far as I can tell there was only ever that one set, yeah. Still, $200 partial and $500+ in-box. Woof.>>11637128No I know, I just thought from what you said that it had never been done before. I looked it up and from the prices I almost wish it hadn't
>>11637126Nope, Robotmasters Smokesniper and Gigant Bomb were sold separately
>>11637133Learn something new every day
>>11637085The robot modes aren't very good due to the scale but they're fine if you want Mini-Con stand-ins. Fuzer and Blast Master are a fun pair. If you pull their combined shuttle mode in half, you can flip down a couple of pegs, allowing you to attach the front half onto a figure's arm as a blaster and the back half onto the figure's back as a jetpack (both are compatible with blast effects)
>>11637148Feel free to share pics over here>>11637149>>11637149
>>11637152Yeah, realized we were at image and post limit; I deleted it so we could use the last post to link to the next thread. I'll repost it over there.
>>11637124I loved the RID 2001 version of these guys. I would ask for an updated set but I just know Hasbro would mess it up.
>>11636934>>11636997If you're familiar with waterslides then stick with those. Dry transfers look better than traditional stickers but not nearly as good as waterslides. I get mine from here https://magicsquaretoys.com/product-category/decals/oceandesign/SS86 Galvatron here has one of their faction symbols.
>>11637124There was a pretty minty set on mandarake for 120AUD recently. I bought a mint set for 130 a few weeks before, they're not even that bad. 2v1 box set in used condition is up for 100 right now.
>>11637124When the hell are they making these guys? They have a great gimmick and are some of the few "new" G2 toys.I'll probably die before these guys and a proper G2 Megatron (both versions).
