The HorseTM editionPrevious: https://desuarchive.org/trash/thread/77538612Note: There is not, and there will never be, an official /dig/ discord server.Post what you're working on, ask questions, discuss general art-related things.Make your unforgivable fetishes come to life.Welcome: New and seasoned artists looking for advice, critique and support.When giving criticism, please, give actual criticism not just "LOL LOOMIS". Let's not become another /ic/NOT welcome: /ic/ crabs, /trash/ crabs, bad faith critiqueOther Drawthreads:Search "draw" on a board's catalog>>>/trash/drawVideos:Tyler Edlin - https://www.youtube.com/user/TylerE2284Proko -https://www.youtube.com/user/ProkoTVSinix -https://www.youtube.com/user/sinixdesignScott Robertson -https://www.youtube.com/user/scottrobertsondesignMatt Kohr (CtrlPaint) -https://www.ctrlpaint.com/libraryAaron Blaise -https://www.youtube.com/user/AaronBlaiseArtVilpu (Anatomy) - https://mega.nz/folder/9Pw1lYaS#Me7LSwlSg59lNGmkj9tt4w/folder/lPoXEYxSLinesSensei- https://www.youtube.com/@LinesSenseiPoses/Gestures:QuickPoses -https://www.quickposes.com/enPoseSpace -https://www.posespace.com/posetool/default.aspxhttps://x6ud.github.io/#/ Animal Head Reference Finderhttps://anatomy360.info/anatomy-scan-reference-dump/Books (navigable folders):https://www.mediafire.com/?i44dwzkf9j9n8https://6chan.moe/loomis/res/156.htmlhttps://6chan.moe/loomis/res/1991.html (filled with scans, replace 6 with 8)https://anonfiles com/OeEc64d4z1https://www.mediafire.com/file/1hta2i7eqqj31ea/art_and_fear.pdf/filehttps://mega.nz/folder/yxtCBLYZ#FbtGBQQunWVCrjMMIzJSywFAQQ: I'm a total beginner. Where should I start?A: Do the exercises in either "Keys to Drawing" by Bert Dodson or "Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain" by Betty Edwards. Additionally, you can try the first few lessons of https://drawabox.com/ for building up muscle memory.
>>77698266Where's the pussy
>>77698447back of the knee maybe?
>>77698447around the butthole
WHY IS IT SO HARD TO DRAW TODAY?!
i wonder how im gonna go from studies to my own original ideas
>>77698999Videogames
>>77698999I feel the same way bro lmao>>77700166this toofuck it, this is a signal for me to start drawing now
>>77698999The Silksong
I am regressing again, yaaaaaaay
>>77700589You're not regressing, both suck ass
>>77700502Just beat Hollow Knight yesterday, the battle against the Radiance took forever. Now I'm about an hour into silksong
>>77700878>no constructive criticism or feedbackYou need to go back anon
Finished this one yesterday, mostly because I ran out of time.
Finish render from previous one. Let me know what you think and what i can improve with some tips or tutorials>>77698999You're about to get good and your mind/body stop you>>77699144That's could be a bit hard at first place cuz you was just copying when do studies without much of actual thinking >>77700589Kinda>>77701262Sick!
>>77698999they dont know it's ayin
Is this how you're supposed to do the exercises?I feel like I'm mindlsesly copying them
>>77702229these
>>77702009>KindaOuch. Well, good to know I'm not crazy for once.
>>77702265Mind you, it's not a catastrophic regression. You're probably just a bit rusty, since it's been a while since you've done rendering, much less rendering of human skin.
>>77702402It's not just rendering, I'm afraid.
>Want to draw characters, cities and other things>Still in the basic phase of drawing and learningFUCK
>>77702611draw them anyway
>>77702674I fucking wish, I'm about to be two months into drawing
>>77702726You can, don't be retarded>But it it won't come out good :cYou will be a shit artist before being a good artist, deal with it.
>>77702810Not tru.Some of us stay shit forever!
>>77700882Silksong is incomparably harder
>>77700589looks alright, you need to use some good ref next time though, the pose is beyond my ability to fix
>>77702923Yeah.I'll just scrap it and move on then.
>>77702957Also, I wish literally anyone had let me know before I went on to render. Not a single person here or among the people I showed it to picked up on the issue. Makes it kind of hard to trust anyone for proper feedback.
>>77700589is this a before and after or is right a ref
>>77702899Is it? People see games as way harder on release than later on. I remember when elden Ring came out and everyone was having a meltdown over Margit, now suddenly everyone can no hit malenia first try in a blind run rl1.
>>77703016I drew both pics, right is a year prior.>>77703045Silksong is just kind of jankily designed from beginning to...well, I'm near the end I guess, so not the very end.
Time to start the second draft and better define line thickness and stuff. >>77702899Nice, looking forward to playing the rest.>>77703045Ugh, I still need to finish elden ring. Got to what I think was the end many years ago then just stopped playing, like I did with hollow knight. I seem to have a habit of dropping a game right before the end, like as if I dont want the game to end lol
kinda fucked up the framing/composition on this thumbnail (the cumulonimbus is supposed to look much larger and grand and in the far off distance) so now I'm just using it as color practice then I'll start over@77700878don't make me get the old bay>>77702726it won't look good, it won't be up to your standards, but mileage is mileage >>77702009without doing a full on paintover my biggest comments are>lack of hard edgesthis flattens the fuck out of a picture and makes everything look like a marshmallow (and not in a good way)>shade/shadow with blackdon't do thatI recommend Marco Bucci's color videos and his 10 minutes to better painting series, they'll tell you how to correct it
>>77703977>it won't look good, it won't be up to your standards, but mileage is mileageThanks Anon, I needed that. Sometimes I get full of myself and I forget to ground myself.
>>77704027you're welcomeI say it just as much for myself as for your benefit
dont forget to change your pen nibs anons
>>77703977Your drawing reminds me of the Emrakul MtG card
I also started doodle-rendering another thing from a few months back but then forgot to save and I lost all the rendering progress so this is as far as this thing's going to get. Nowhere near done to my satisfaction but fuck it might as well post it.his neck is a bit fucked up be nice he was in a motorcycle accident>>77703977also as a bonus exercise for you alltell me how/why I fucked up so that the cloud looks too close/small/not grandiose. I've added my thoughts but don't read them if you want to actually tryI can think of two primary reasons. 0. it's unfinished obviously1. The biggest reason is I really wanted to show at least a bit of the top of the cloud so that you could see the overshooting top of the supercell. But, realistically (and if I were to draw the planes of the cloud with respect to the vanishing point) you wouldn't be able to see ANY part of the top of the cloud, if the cloud were truly as grand as I wanted it to be.I could still fix it in this thumbnail. Remove the top of the cloud, and drastically extend the "mushroom gills" part of the anvil cloud.2. I haven't really accounted for any atmospheric perspective yet. If I were to add atmospheric perspective to the cloud, it would likely mask the problem enough that most people wouldn't ever notice problem #1. Not that they would anyway, #1 is one of those "the layman doesn't know what's wrong, but they can tell something is wrong" problems>>77704560I can see itit's one of my favorite color schemes
schizo scribbles for everyone's benefit if you can decipher it
>>77703045yeah its way harderMostly due to more complex attack patterns and double hit damage all over the place>>77700589oof>>77703106>jankily designedwdym?
>>77705583>oofYes, I get it. Jesus. If you guys are gonna oof you could at least give me some pointers. I know it sucks, but that doesn't help me improve.>wdymI don't know if I've ever played a game that seems to hellbent on not letting me enjoy it. Every time you get something fun, there are two things detracting from it. There are also a lot of just really hostile design elements in the game, like the damage you mentioned, a lack of meaningful pickups, and a really flat power curve with some weird spikes (I had base HP and silk until about fifteen hours in, then I started finding a bunch).It's just a bit weird.
>>77700589It's slow going but I'm doing my best to make something detailed and intuitive. Here's a wip of the tut.
>>77704856pretty!!
>>77706119You may as well save your effort. It's clearly unsalvagable. I'm moving on as well.
>>77706163naw I'ma keep doin it because I'm learning a lot about shading with it myself. Putting into words that make sense helps me contextualize it in good ways.
>>77706184Well, okay, but I don't think working with a broken product is particularly helpful.
>>77706228Idk what to tell ya, I don't think it's a broken product.
>>77705918just wanted to mention that photo is shot using a long focal length lens which isn't ideal as a drawing reference since it minimizes the effect of perspective. Notice that the thigh coming towards the viewer almost looks like its shrinking and the head looks oversized
>>77705918>Every time you get something fun, there are two things detracting from it.Elaborate?>(I had base HP and silk until about fifteen hours in, then I started finding a bunch).That one's a skill issue>>77705918>Yes, I get it. Jesus. If you guys are gonna oof you could at least give me some pointers.I cant, it just seems you were off your game that day and the drawing failedIt happens
>>77706564I didn't think I was off, and I actually kind of liked the image, until today. Just drop it then.
shit I know I don't have the time to post here much anymore but you all need to do a better job keeping the /ic/ crabs outdoodle page so slightly on topic>>77706645I'll be honest man I don't know where these retards are coming from, but they're making a lot bigger of a deal out of it than it isintentionally preying on someone's insecurity when they're just trying to make an honest solicitation of good-faith feedback is a fucking dick move
bumpI unfucked the perspective a bit and now it looks a bit bettergoodnight be nice to each other
Before I do the final drawing of this character, could you guys tell me which pallete you prefer? They're name is Renohttps://litter.catbox.moe/s1mu8n.png
>>77708863Middle but with lighter pink inner ears and less Chernobyl green eyes
haven't drawn in 3 days cause of silk songbleh
Would I be falling into a trap if I used references from an artist instead of anatomically correct references?I really like the way qvq1024 draws cocks but I dont know If I should be drawing from normal anatomically correct ones or if it doesnt really matter
Thoughts?
>>77708863I agree with >>77708913But I'd also like to see the orange with the light blue eyes of the right one.
>>77710635Learn both! It helps you understand how the artist came to their decisions with their stylization.
>>77711338https://litter.catbox.moe/1n7xaw.png
>>77711670I dig the right
>>77702611> citiesI predict a future macro artist!>>77700589I wouldn't beat myself up about it, the perspective seems harder on the left, also not sure if you had reference to go on? (which makes it even harder without) Emotional state while drawing matters a _lot_ as well. (which I have no clue about, but if i feel sad and depressed I _know_ I'm not going to draw well, and then it seems like a self-fulfilling prophecy that i'll draw crappy, but it should be celebrated that you managed to make yourself draw at all)It seems like there were perspective struggles during this one. I would try iterate on the shapes / robobean thing, and then you can use liquify to smush stuff around later to match those shapes (so you don't have to redraw stuff as much), that would probably help loads.Things i'm not sure about is that it seems like one of her legs is supposed to come out towards the camera (since it's much larger?), but it doesn't read super well. boobs/torso/midriff indicate a lower angle shot, but the vagina is more "head on" and also 3/4 without the hips indicating this tilt, the hips/torso feels straight and head on (mostly).I'm not sure if both her legs are supposed to have the skin folds to the groin, since one of them is probably what she's resting her weight on and is presumably more straight? I think a ref here would clear that up.I'm not sure about the position of neck/head when the top of the boobs cover the shoulders, I think it would imply craning her neck a bit much forward & out in front of her chest. If i look down with my head then my jaw almost touches my chest (collarbones meeting area ?)
>>77712189There was a ref, yeah, but I seem to have failed to extrapolate the rest of the body from it/didn't use the ref well.I appreciate the feedback. I just think this one was out of my league a bit. That's what happens when someone with no perspective skill tries perspective. I can maybe try to fix some of the stuff you mentioned but I don't think I'll be able to do much.
I'm really shooting myself in the foot by not doing these earlier. I'll keep bitching about this until I change my ways.Anyway, I'll try to do more interesting poses in the future.>>77702984>Not a single person here or among the people I showed it to picked up on the issue.I barely have any idea about what I'm doing, so I don't have the skill needed to give good advice. I still think it looks good, but we're always our own harshest critic. However, if you're not feeling this piece anymore, it's not a bad thing to drop it and do something else.
>>77704856>I haven't really accounted for any atmospheric perspective yet.That's probably the major sticking point, yeah. Can't find any reference images of far-off clouds for that particular time of day, unfortunately.
>>77712323Oh, with this ref your struggles make so much sense! I'm not sure what I would do in this situation. I recently learned that Clip Studo Paint has a built-in mannequin posing tool, so I guess i would try to use that in combination with the ref, to line up the mannequin (and the camera FOV) and pose it to fill in the blanks of the reference so i could have a full body reference (somewhat), since you intend to draw more details outside of the ref image.Btw, I think this is deceptively hard to do, since in the original the cameras position in space means it would not be able to see her legs, and if it did, it would imply some really intense fisheye warping FOV. if you dollied the camera further back out and "zoomed" back in, you will get closer to orthographic and the ref would no longer "look" the same (it would look more ortho / like what happens in a hitchcock zoom).TL;DR, while the part of her that is within the frame might not look super warped by perspective, the stuff outside would have to be _REALLY_ warped in order to "look right", which probably means you were doomed from the start.
>>77713118having a bit of fun trying to pose this now (to learn it better myself, if others have something better than blender please yell loudly at me.. i looked up CSP and it requires a subscription? sadge :(, and Krita doesn't seem to have anything like it)Here i can vary the cameras location (and zoom) and see how much it warps the resulting image in the right viewport!
>>77711765Appreciate itI just finished the character sheethttps://litter.catbox.moe/egli9s.pnghttps://litter.catbox.moe/482nyp.png
>>77713307>>77713118and here is one more where i tried to match the angle & zoom & location of the camera in the original ref (sorry for spam yall, but maybe it's interesting for others).For the first one i tried to more match the artwork more closely.
>>77713340cyoot
Here's a drawing that I worked on for practice, as I was learning how to render with complex detail and fewer lines. I think I did a good job, but I was wondering if there are a couple of areas that I could improve for next time?Did I render the lighting and the ambient occlusion correctly, and are the eyes fine?
>>77711306Generally an agreeable sentiment and personally one of the reasons I resist folks only learning anatomy/gestures early on in the process before knowing anything about lines, or perspective.
Trying to improve my faces/hair
>>77715055A griffin of non-standard species combination, eh? Always fun to see people play with mythical creature concepts in new ways.Shading's very good, though obviously a little amateurish-looking. Don't really know how you'd make it more professional-looking, since I'm not much of an expert on the subject myself. The only obvious fault I can find is that the cat parts have relatively light shadow, so try darkening it and seeing if that looks better to you. The highlights on the cat parts could also use a bit of brightening for greater contrast.Also, looks like you're using pure black for the shadow. While I think it looks alright here, it might be worth trying a very dark, deep blue in Multiply blending mode instead. It's a tried and true trick to making shadows that look good in almost any scenario (outside of unusual lighting conditions, in which case you can usually get away with tweaking the color of the shading to be the color wheel opposite of the color of the light) with relatively little effort.
>>77698999>struggle to draw simple drawing of girl standing>draw fetish art cause bored>draw the anatomy perfectly despite the weird poseSometimes it just be like that
>>77716400Unusual poses tend to give you some anatomical leeway, since you don't usually see people in such poses so most people won't spot errors quite as readily. Standing poses are something we see every day, so you have less room for error before it starts looking off.Outside of that, could just be you have more experience with anatomy in unusual poses than standing poses.
Next project
>>77715055Firstly, not sure how you don't have more followers on your socials. Really strong grasp of anatomy here. Very pretty lady.I agree with the other anon on shadow colors. I saw something the other day talking about painting light, rather than a 'lack' of it, so maybe consider that when you're doing rendering. I also notice a lack of bounce or ambient light, which can really add to the dimensionality of a figure, and make it pop more (as well as solving the issue of dark shadows on dark colors, like the black fur here, for instance.)The only other thing that's popping out to me is that her deltoid doesn't seem to be wrapping around her shoulder properly. The muscle from her breast should be curving up over her shoulder, rather than into her armpit as it is now. I guess, in other words, we're seeing too much of her pectoral given the position of her arm.All that said though, I really quite like it. I think bounce light and some select highlights could elevate it to the next level, but it's beautiful the way it is now.
i should finish this...
>>77711306Blind leading the blind, made by someone who is closer to a low 2 than even a 3 on their own scale, and a profoundly retarded RPG-esque view of progression.
>>77715055Go with no lines, especially the armpit and center line on the stomach.
>>77717626>Firstly, not sure how you don't have more followers on your socials.I think sub 200 is a respectable amount considering most of his work is between June to now. You aren't going to get big just by being technically skilled, unless you're some sort of master.
It's kind of crazy to think how much my standards for what's good and bad art has changed a lot since I started drawing. A lot of what I used to think was decent or even good looks bad to me now.I just noticed that an artist I followed that probably has over a decade of experience over me, hasn't really improved much in that time. And their stuff wasn't really that good to begin with.Anyone else have similar experiences?
How do you combine paining and line work in your process? Usually I see artists go sketch > lines > color > render.But I think its way easier to see the volumes by painting after the sketch, then define with linework/editing as needed afterward.Should I do both a lot and get good at both ways?
>>77720191i'm still a beginner that thinks all art is good but I (most of the time) hate my own work
bump
>>77720369Both styles have their merits, though admittedly, the sketch > lines > color > render process is more of a legacy trad methodology since paint's relatively expensive so you wanted to make real damn sure you had something worth putting all that pigment on the canvas for. Also, since traditional painting is also rather time-consuming, it helps to have some good linework to remind you what needs to go where if you've been spending days working on one portion of it and don't quite remember the finer details you had in mind for the rest, which would be a problem if all you've got to go on is a messy, cursory sketch.With digital lines (including vector lines, which are handy when you want real smooth and polished results, non-destructive editing and infinite scalability, at the cost of being much more fiddly than hand-drawn lines), you get something that works even without color and if you've enclosed all the lines, you'll have an easy time filling them with the flat colors using selection tools.Since digital paint's free and much more forgiving of mistakes than trad, essentially sketching with rough blocking out of colors and then refining is also very viable. Never really tried it myself, but I can see how it would be highly beneficial for getting a fully rendered piece out quite quickly, with enough practice and streamlining of the process. Another trick I've seen is to render strictly in grayscale and then add color with layers in various blending modes, like hue, overlay and multiply. Handy if you want to experiment and rapidly iterate on color schemes.So, if you're planning on doing primarily digital painting rather than drawing, you'll probably get more out of the lineless method. Still, learning a bit of draftsmanship and occasionally practicing it never hurts, especially if you ever find yourself with nothing but pen and paper on hand when inspiration strikes.
The new brushes I've been working with, and had a good bit of fun making this guide. I need to draw Sketch Milf more often.https://files.catbox.moe/cy1xar.zip
>>77716346Thank you very much, I added the dark blues and it looks a lot better! Funny enough, I only used dark purples when shading, but I see where the issue lies.>>77717626I appreciate that! I adjusted her left deltoid muscle, and I also added the highlights and some bounce light.>>77718624I did fewer lines, but I want to keep some of them.>>77719004I agree, I'm pretty happy that 200 strangers enjoy my art! I personally think followship doesn't equate to skill; rather, it depends on whether your art pieces are aesthetically appealing. However, I do want to get better at my craft and produce better, visually appealing works.>>77723828What I want to learn is how to block in shapes with only a round brush. There is a video I watched that really inspired me to try rendering my drawings differently. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/dAc5pBipPVQ
trying to sell this as a YCH with no success so far. Any advice on making it more attractive to people? Set it at $15 starting bid and $35 BO
boompm
I finally bought silksong and I use at as an excuse to distract me from my comic. But luckily the comic has only 3 pages left (it's very short) I really show why I am the most hard working us all of us hehe Also I drew hornet to distract myself
>>77726926This one is very bad though so here are the ones I made when ss came out (I really love distracting myself
>>77726851Nice save.
>>77724980Static YCHs only sell if done by popular artists. If you want to get people interested while being a literal who, you have to make something animated.
>>77727041I've actually sold two YCHs already but for a different template, so idk if I just got lucky there or what
>>77727104Probably.
>>77715069>>77718254duality of man
>>77727311and only one of them posts their work
>>77727943which one?
>>77728910The overtly negative crab that got laughed out of /ic/.
>>77730044so >>77718254 ?
>>77715069You fool. You've responded to me a bunch of times and I know NOTHING about perspective.You've been right bamboozled, friendo. Get fucking prank'd.
>>77730733K
>>77730733Are you falseflagging as me?
>>77730812Gottem.>>77730846No. You made that post, but I bet you don't remember making it. ;^)
Refs do help a bit.Tried to map out some shadows and stuff BEFORE rendering. Not sure if they look right. My brain is too mush to understand light.
>>77731090Also not sure what to do with her tail in this pose...Might have fucked myself there.
I just wanna draw OCs with tidys and penors:(
im about to pass the fuck out
>>77712618Still ended up finishing after midnight, but I started a bit earlier.>>77724077Dope, thank you, I actually used the nifty pencil for this.>>77731090>>77731103>Also not sure what to do with her tail in this poseYeah, that's a tough one, iirc it's a pretty substantially sized one so it would end up affecting the pose a lot. You can try lifting her hips up, or take the lazy way and just have it stick down or from the side.
>>77718254Looks like a good way to progress to me.Whats your alternative?
>>77731486
>>77733257That looks good! This one was a real pain to make so I'm glad it turned out
>>77733530I get like halfway through, cringe out then discard the drawing
How big do you think I can get away with making a character's tits for a SFW story before people start asking questions
>>77735488Depends on your audience. There's people out there these days who'll think anything above B-cups is inherently sexualizing the character and will complain about it loudly. I'd say most reasonable people don't really care even if you start going through the whole alphabet in cup sizes, so long as you keep them covered and have some justification for such mammoth mammaries, even if said justification is as flimsy as being fodder for cheap comedy. I'd say if you stick to DD's and below, you really don't even need to justify anything to your average guy.
how do i make my art look more sexually appealing? rn all i do is sketching, but what i understood is that to make it better, i should do softer colors
A bit of redesign of my otter one>>77703977>10 minutes to better painting seriesYeah, i think to dig it with more practice>>77724077Sick. Specially sumi-e brush, fun for doodling and have that one same feel that i always wanted
>>77730044Hey I post my work all the time! >>77730733I'VE BEEN FOILED AGAIN. Devious anon prankster man! No but seriously guys, I really don't ever want to belabor the point for no reason. I literally came into these threads because I've been bullshitting perspective for my whole art career and finally been faced with the fact that I need to learn it to improve. It's one of those things you can't avoid. Get it done early so you aren't bitching about it later.>>77735488People will probably ask questions if you are generally far more SFW than you are cheesecake, but if you start off cheesecake nobody will give a fuck. If anything this is more of a Algo problem and being shadowbanned for making things TOO nsfw.>>77737880It might be a style issue. You art work is fine, but sex appeal often comes from the over exaggeration of sexual assets (Within a simplification space) or the detail placed on sexual assets (In a semi real/realistic sense)Again I state that your art looks fine and has general appeal, but 3/4 angled images of a relatively learn character streaking a pose isn't going to really burst with sexual interest. You gotta find more enticing angles. Look at some of the porn pictures taken on a website like Pornpics and see how they focus their camera. Inspect images until you find something that's sexually appealing to you and them operate off of that.
>>77739520>Look at some of the porn pictures taken on a website like Pornpics and see how they focus their camera. Inspect images until you find something that's sexually appealing to you and them operate off of that.thats... thats a good suggestion anon, thank you very much
>>77737880Exaggerating certain aspects of the character and pose helps build sex appeal. For your drawing I think adding more of a curve to her back would help highlight her chest and figure. Making her right leg bend back further could also show off how slender her legs are. Try to make one part of the body the central focus, like the ass or boobs. Draw the viewers eyes to that area and emphasise it the most. Also look study how clothing can highlight certain areas of the body by hiding others, clothes are very underappreciated way of making something look sexy.
I have so many wips and idk which one I should work on, or if I should change them/redo them.
