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Your New Life In The Tentacle Realmhttps://drive.google.com/drive/folders/17Md5_3haISkwIGpx70TI2UZyccOfrwEQApo has updated the cyoa again, looks like levels, races, and vows have been changed.
>>78164414Changed in what way?
>>78164414
>>78164723I was so distraught I forgot to attach an image.
>>78164655Low level starts grant more points and high level starts cost more points, you get points if two of your races grant the same power, extra races levels override normal race levels, and he used the suggestion of that one anon at the end of last thread to give patron boons to vows, not sure if anything else is different but it looks like a couple other pages got updates based on the upload time
>>78164414https://imgchest.com/p/n87wmka9x4xUpdated imgchest, deleted previous.
>>78164414>qualify for both Sex Compatibility bonusesHermaphrodite meta...
>>78164414number of points you get from JLMA got changed from 7 per level to 5 per levelbut buyin got lowered from 200 to 100level 150 cost got increased to 400does mean that the combo still nets you 250 points so if you take JLMA you still pretty much have to take lv 150 to start out with since every other level option paradoxically gives you less points
>>78164414I spent like 2 hours trying to figure out what to cut earlier today and then the update happens and now I suddenly have almost 900 more points. Good lord.Some amusing details that aren't immediately noticeable:>there is no longer any point cost to taking more basic transformations past the first, but one-base-TF builds still get the point bonus - this is an effective +200 points for any tri-race builds>Dowsing's spelling got corrected but is still misspelled as Dousing in Discovery Intuition's requirements>Human got nerfed and only gets Strong Will for free instead of Indomitable Self lmao
>>78164414Asking again, do free powers include prerequisites?
>>78165225You knew it was coming if he ever catered to futafags.
>Constant revisions to part 1>Wait until part 2 comes out to make your build>But part 2 never comes out
>>78164414so getting 2 instances of half-off on a cost reduces it to 0, neatAutomaton and Gazer seem to have turned into a lv 15 races, likely because a lot of people were taking it
>>78165487>>78164414oh wow the level increases on various advanced transformations are drastic, nearly everything got 5 levels increase and nephilem is now lv 30 honestly if you go with a bunch of high level cost races going lv 1 build might be preferential since you're going to pay out of your arse just to get a basic class
>>78164414>>78164866Interesting change back to favoring overlap, I was just starting to think of race combo's that had little overlap since the meta changed, but were back.>>78165225NOOO! not Futa meta! Also I've been thinking about stats vs levels. I think levels are much more tolerable if they never scale past a relatively small multiplier. If you are already 10x the strongest human at level 1, being 12x the strongest human at level 50 seems fine and so on. Some of the implications of levels is characters not having resistances they thought they could at lvl 1 or just an unclear power scaling.
>>78165599No, the level cost of races have been overall reduced. The base transformation levels are rendered void if you take an extra transformation. For example, this is a net gain of 10 levels for my Valkyrie/Nephilim build.
>>78165649oh missed that part, well that definitely means that certain combo races get fairly no-brainermeans machina doll now starts at lv 15, instead of the combined lv 35 from living doll and automaton which is pretty huge I'm definitely not going to complain about that, though with levels costing more now (outside of JLMA) it is still something to account for
am I going crazy or wasn't eyes of madness not always around?Because if I somehow skipped that on a build where the only expressive part of my face is my eyes and antenna you can call me the biggest retard
>>78165623That doesn't work if you want players to ascend to demigod or god level eventually.
>>78164414Does "maximum of ten pairs" in Beastly Breasts refer to the amount of total or of additional pairs?
okay the vow bonuses for various patrons are really neatdefinitely going to try and make a purity build for my next build >Silent moon does not have kindness bonusI knew she was in for a righteous crusade
>>78165766you can have higher multipliers when you are at higher levels, but have a situation where there isn't as much of a difference between a level 1 and 100. Even though I would like to see diminishing returns, even if someone is 15x strong and you are 15.2x as strong ultra leveled demigod your going to best them 100% of the time.
>>78165960If being a demigod is barely above the average person then it's incredibly boring and not special at all.
>>78165467Apo is legitimately retarded, pls understand
>>78165986Paying for the herculean stat gets you to 10x the strongest person ever, and divine stats can be acquired through certain boons so you don't need to become a demigod in strength by leveling in the first place.
>>78166168Humans are very physically weak creatures, x10 the weakest large mammal to ever exist isn't very impressive.
>>78164414So if I understood correctly, for overlapping powers that you gain from multiple races, if it was half off, you get it for free and if you would get for free, instead you would get the point cost.So supposed that you have High Thaumaturgy x2 for free, you get the first for free and the second for the point cost of the power.He should clarify the multiple mutations things, which do seem to actually get the racial bonus point. As an example, Gazer Tentacles x12, you would get it for the first 12 times you buy it, but not more after that. It would also be the same if another race gave Tentacles x6.Apotheosis should also clarify what happens with the Half-Off in the case of a free. Do you get half of the points? If a Free Power is 100% and two Half-Off are a Free Power, it seems to make logical sense for it to give you 50% of the points.Either way, those are good changes.
>>78166214humans really aren't that weak, we just have hyperspecialized strength a gorilla might be able to fold you in half but a thrown rock from a gorilla is an annoyance, a thrown rock from a tribal human (not your lardass sorry) is lethal
>>78166414That would fall under dexterity in this CYOA.
>>78166461throwing rocks is STR + DEX for humansour arms have specialized tendons that store energy and release it explosively, it's why punching is actually dangerous when a human does it (again, for people in good shape, not office drones)
>>78164414What is the point of the reorientation mutation now that there is a sexuality slider?
>>78166414>>78166611Funny enough the muscles used for throwing aren't that strong. A good throw from a human actually uses alot of funky mechanical advantages as a force multiplier. Also the reason humans are weak compared to most other apes is we are built to be light weight, which helps with our long distance endurance, and to use less energy for our energy hungry brains. Humans basically used str as a bit of a dump stat to max stamina and intelligence. Our relative light weight and huge lung capacity (another endurance based adaptation) provides us with the secondary benefit of being able to swim and dive. Most other apes have super drowning skills, sinking light a stone and having almost no ability to hold their breath for long.
>>78164414Do Sacred/Profane Element only affect 1 element? The wording certainly seems like it, but why can't they be bought multiple times like the other powers around them?
>>78167010then again, compared to most mammals we are only average at swimming, it's funny how "best ape at swimming" still doesn't even reach rat levels also humans would benefit suuuper hard of not being stuck with shitty mammal lungs, every time I look at bird respiratory systems I get jealous, same with their eyesightreally the fact it's mammals who are the big megafauna and dinosaurs ended up small is super weird
>>78165941>>78164414Do vows patron bonus affect Nephilim? If not then it seems like a Purity Nephilim build is not that possible, considering that it would leave a shit ton of points, since a single patron bonus can be +100-200, and you are probably taking at least 2-3 that match your patron.
>>78164414Alright, in case Apo is watching this, I'm going to go fishing to see if I can get a title.>The False ConstellationA constellation b/c it's a bunch of celestials, but false because they are nephilim.Hivemind with 12-24 members (depending on exactly how the celestial transformation's extra instance interacts with the limit on multiple instances).Try to get every element represented (all celestials are holy, so at worst I'd be missing one element).Planetary Catalyst power. Sacrifice my entire mana pool for +200% spell power.Crystalize Magic to optionally triple magic power (again) for 2x cost.Mystic Core combo mutation to convert energy to mana to be able to cast.Soulmark tattoo (Unity, Meter, Focus, Demonic, Divine, Madness) on all.Unity would give 12x power to the rest of the soulmark, except as a fatemark it's 2x powerful (24x total).All other components are 2x powerful for being in the fatemark, too (48x total).This means I can't use any tattoo with a drawback, because a 48x strength drawback would be crippling.Each charge on the meter tattoo restores 240% of my mana, energy, health, stamina, etc.Demonic, Madness, and Divine tattoos restore energy/mana from most ambient sources.The resistance/weakness to forced mutation from Demonic and Divine tattoos cancel, but I'm left with more bonus abilities from the bestiary than I know what to do with.No divine boons, though, because I'm a nephilim.
>>78167010>Funny enough the muscles used for throwing aren't that strongThey aren't that strong, but you can actually exert it and also basically work as a spring. And in the end, you are using multiple muscles for that, as say, you are also rotating your torso when you are really throwing something, and that obviously adds to the throw...Having many muscles helping each other, the right motion, mechanical advantage and whatever, make us exponentially better thrower than any other ape which can limply throw stuff despite their strength.
>>78167090Yeah, humans are honestly super janky. Guess weird things happen when a tree dwelling herbivore is forced to adapt into a plains dwelling omnivore with a pretty unique pursuit/endurance hunting style.>>78167211Yup. Interestingly those same mechanics used for throwing are also really good at generation devastating swings and thrusts with sticks of various hefts and sharpness. And we are smart enough to learn to use all those little mechanics in just about every possible way, given time and motive. Honestly a human armed with a good stick and a little practice is actually pretty scary to a good percent of life on earth.
This has nothing to do with the original point that human strength isn't impressive enough for a demigod.
>>78167524>with a good stick and a little practice is actually pretty scary to a good percent of life on earth.I mean, wherever humans went megafauna just diedlike humans are a literal hardcounter to the entire concept of megafauna, no animal is too big to hunt for a human, we literally rendered one of "the" most effective herbivore strategies obsolete which has existed since the cambrian explosionimagine being an elephant or a mammoth, you're the largest land animal by a significant degree, you're extremely intelligent, dexterous, can survive off of garbage food and even live in herds, in any other time in earths history you'd be fucking invinciblebut you just have to live in the same time period as the one predator who goes "lol" at size I'd be fucking mad
>>78167560I mean yes, but it`s an interesting topic.The thing in the end is that the demigod has super mega hyper strength in the shape of a human, so they inherit every good point. They have the good flexibility and dextrous musculature for the kind of movement to use your entire strength into a single action and the sheer strength of a demigod.In other words, a gorilla demigod would lose hard against a human demigod.
>>78167560The original point was scaling from a multiplier of peak human strength which isn't even us talking about human strength but starting at freak strength. The heaviest lift a human has done its 5340 pounds, and herculean stats is already 10x that, so 50k lift isn't remotely human feats of strength.
>>78165225>>78165428congrats falseflaggers, you've convinced Apo this is what futafags wantedI hope you're happy
>>78167162that's your entire build? no autistically detailed excel spreadsheet or image? this level of effort doesn't deserve a title
>>78169016TR is so large an excel sheet actually makes it easier...
>>78169016I'm fishing for a title, here. Per WOG, titles are granted for INTERESTING builds, so I only described the parts that interacted in a way that seemed interesting.I've got a build spreadsheet to track points/corruption, but I didn't want to bore anyone with 150 lines of, "This item is basically free points. And this item gives me more corruption that I turn into points."
>>78169583so take a screenshot of your spreadsheet like the fairy robot did or post it in a rentry?
>>78164414How do the history curses interact with the history section?
>>78164414wait, isn't the valkyrie/nephilim build illegal? valk requires you to take a specific patron while nephilim requires you to NOT take any patronand the part of them "overriding contradictions" I understand it as extra transformations overriding anything from the base race (like nephilim overriding angel's need to pick a patron) and not extra races overriding each other.
>>78170690We've been over this. Check the last threat.
>>78164414>Cosmic MindDo you pick 1 status or can you switch whenever?
>>78171203you can switch but only between the special statusesit's still amazing though
>>78169607I'll put it into a google doc or something... after I get the build fully updated to the new version.Here, have a CYOA, so I'm not just wasting posts on a stupid argument.
>>78171460Only thing I want in this CYOA is "Unlocked Potential".
>>78164414>Made-UpIs this supposed to be Make-Up?
>>78164414So Adventurer, Commander, & Explorer list Pilot as a possible requirement. Unfortunately there is no Pilot class, but there is the Rider. Though weirdly Rider talks about using either beasts or machines but only has Riding as a prerequisite instead of "Riding OR Machine Operation"
>>78171460it's fine, could definitely be a stupider argument.the way i see it it's like in high school when you had to show your work on a math test to get full marks. but i'm not apo so this is just my own autism.also i find it harder to get a sense of your build when it's just one long paragraph rather than organized properly. i'd rather read a complete build.
>>78164414A lot of mutations negate one another. Can they still be taken together? E.g. Optimized Digestion and Incontinence.
>>78172657if I remember correctly, in another thread it was answered that taking one infertility options with one guaranteed fertility option would just negate both these effects.BUT if you have one infertility option with 2 guaranteed fertility effects then the boosted fertility would overpower the infertility.now this might sound like free point and it is to a certain extent, but most of the fertility and infertility options also give the effect of increased one's libido which do stack with each other, so 'cheat' at your own riskthe only way I see an option being incompatible with another is if it is explicitly stated by the cyoa like featureless locking you out of some body part options
>>78172882Nice, I got *quickly estimates* 50 points out of this.
>>78170690Valk/Neph builds have been a thing forever. Apo's only comment about it (back when the previous version was release months back) was that 'No Patron' controls. Didn't put that in the FAQ though, so who knows if it's still accurate.
>>78173467It is in the FAQ tho
>>78173572Oh, updated today. Look at that.
>>78167141Freedom > Points
>>78164414Did the (a) god(s) create the holy element or was godhood derived from the holy element? Did corruption create the dark element or was it derived from the dark element?
After hours of delving through gelbooru with different combinations of tags, I've finally found a good picture for my character. Now I can move past race selection to the rest of the CYOA!
>>78174588it's 2025 you can just use AI for it instead of spending hours to find an image
>>78174761AI is fucking dogshit and if you use it for any creative project you should be drawn and quartered like the tasteless slop consumer you are.
>>78174879or you can use it to make a picture of your character instead of spending hours to find a picture of someone else's character to borrow it
>>78167162You can't complete a build and earn a title until all 4 parts are released
>>78174761I only had a vague idea of what I wanted anyway. I'm not a character designer.
I was looking at Cruxador's stuff yesterday, specifically his Xuanhuan CYOA, and I have a question.How does the Cultivation section work? Like, if I go for Terrestial Cultivation, do I get access to the Roots, Demon, AND Elemental Arts sections, or do I have to choose just one of the three?
>>78174588>Race section gets updated.
>>78164414Nephilim, Primordial Heart, Affinity for All Elements: I can absorb anything, not even the divine can stop me. I am a true immortal, an unstoppable force, and an immovable object....I expect Primordial Heart's absorption to be nerfed.
>>78176122You can still be harmed by raw non-elemental magic attacks, exotic magics like gravity, spirit based attacks, raw energy attacks, kinetic attacks, psychic damage, and probably other unusual types of damage.
>>78166214Depends on the species of human. Biomechanical analysis of Neanderthals hints that they were dramatically stronger than us (homo sapiens).There was a trade off, of course. They have a much more limited range of motion in the shoulder, limiting their throwing strength (compared to homo sapiens).As one person commented, homo sapiens is the dexterity/agility-optimized race of humans, while Neanderthals get the big strength bonuses.
>>78164320Just noticied that, while Infectious Mutations could potentialy become a infinite so being uncontrolable sucks, it could also become a endless source of Multi-InstancesI remember anon lastt thread asking about a option to assimilate others into Hive Mind, I guess that kind of works as one if you can find a way around not being able to turn it off?
>>78176258Everything is derived from the elements. Non-elemental things do not exist.
>>78176295>while Infectious Mutations could potentialy become a infinite so being uncontrolable sucks*while Infectious Mutations being uncontrolable sucks-Turns out I'm a retard lok
>>78165467>>Constant revisions to part 1>>Wait until part 2 comes out to make your build>>But part 2 never comes outI'm a bit worried about that, too. It's great that Apotheosis is lisyening to the feedback, but I'm worried that we'll never get to the missions, companions, and other new stuff.
>>78176122It does say it absorbs elemental energy I don't think it absorbs physical things as it's not energy so someone can still beat you up with a rock
>>78176300I mean atoms are the fundamental building blocks of all matter in our universe. Just because something is fundamental doesn't mean there aren't any deeper layers, and nothing about the things I listed suggest they are made up of the elements. Even what you posted a picture of only lists them being fundamental to physically existing forms or expressions of divine will, which again doesn't really.
>>78176295There's also Slime Queen being able to subsume some other slimes into her "hivemind".
>>78176300I was about to say that there are powers in the cyoa that are stated to be non-elemental, but the FAQ does say that elements "make up all of creation". Technically, if something is not "of creation", it wouldn't be elemental, but that's a contradiction.>>78176394It would have to depend on what definition of "energy" is being used because one can say that matter is a form of energy.
>>78176453Probably a better alternative over Hive Mind combo for the purpose of building one since that one is described as being more and more taxing the more minds you have which may not sound like a issue for someone with high INT and WILL (assuming these are the stats needed for a high number of minds), until Infectious Mutation is brought into the equation.I assume Slime Queen will turn people into much more simpled-minded and easy to control drones that don't require much of your mental power to maintain
>>78176122Given its placement I'm pretty sure that Primordial Heart is meant to be giving you the ability to absorb elements you are attuned to (via aura) rather than have an affinity for (via powers). Apo has the tendency to use the terms interchangeably, so if this is just a case of imprecise wording then you can only absorb five of them max by spending points on Odd Manifestation.That being said that's absolutely not how it works RAW right now ({X} Elementalism specifically gives you affinity to elements) and even if it "only" allowed you to absorb powers specifically marked as elemental, it'd still be absurdly good.
>>78176499considering there are eyes that specifically sees elemental energies and other eyes that can perceive magical energies and lifeforces I would assume that these are all separate things, besides the description that the everything is made up of elements doesn't actually mean that everything is made up out of elemental energy as the elements also make up metaphysical spheres like love, justice, etc. Elemental energy is most likely similar to corruptive energies or magical energies and not literally everything that exists, its only a facet of the elements
>>78176546>I assume Slime Queen will turn people into much more simpled-minded and easy to control drones that don't require much of your mental power to maintainReads to me like a consciousness merge, with the mention of "delegating particular traits/powers/appearances to individual slime bodies" making me think they might just be a bit more independent?Still connected enough that harming one hurts the entire collective, though.
>>78172174I would think not. Being "made up" is used as a term for someone who is wearing makeup.
>>78176122>>78176394>>78176499Primordial Heart says "you absorb elemental energy of *a* type you have affinity for". "A" as in the singular article, meaning only one type. It's not a mutation you can take multiple times either.
>>78175922The former
>>78164414Anyone else notice that the Fallen Human art shows a girl with Double Ds, but this sexually corrupted version of humans has a starting breast size of A cup? And even the Angels start as a B cup?(1 cup size equals roughly 1 inch of breast tissue.)Not trying to get in Apo's head. Just noticed it, and wanted to point it out.
>>78177272>Your Clear Heart is fortified by the intense Elemental energies flowing through you, granting you the innate ability to absorb any Elemental energy of a type you have an affinity forIf it were as simple as you said it'd make a lot more sense, but as it stands the inclusion of "any" here (which you omitted from your quote) drastically changes how the passage reads and makes the alternate reading legitimate. You really need to be precise with English grammar.
>>78177439"a type" still makes it singular. If you wanted to make it apply to multiple types, the proper phrasing would be >"Your Clear Heart is fortified by the intense Elemental energies flowing through you, granting you the innate ability to absorb any Elemental energy of the types you have an affinity for"Very simple, changing "a type" to "the types". Leaving "an affinity" at the end does create a mismatch that's technically grammatically incorrect, but acceptable for the sake of allowing for one OR many types (grammatically it's equivalent to using "they" as a singular pronoun and serves a similar function for an unknown quantity)
>>78177492The real problem is that the passage continues with>healing your Vitality instead of damaging it whenever you are struck and/or otherwise affected by that type (or types) of Elemental energy.which is a lot less ambiguous about all of this and explicitly specifies that it works on multiple types. But I do agree, it's sloppily worded and needs some TLC.
>>78177545damn you're right. I don't know why I didn't pay attention to the next line.Honestly it should be restricted to a single type. Complete absorption of an element, which goes beyond simple "immunity", even "divine" immunity, and logically cannot be bypassed at all without basically transforming you first is too powerful to be able to apply it to multiple or especially all elements. For only a single type it's a pretty interesting power though.
>>78177354Thanks
>>78164414jesus that's a lot of shit to keep track of
>>78175956I've just spent the last 3 hours adjusting my chosen picture in photoshop, so I really really hope not.
>>78164414Man I'm really struggling with whether Vows are worth taking or not. They are juicy, but there isn't any indication of there being a way to ever free yourself of them so it's a major commitment.
>>78178620A few of them seem like you can be freed from them. Penance is a one time thing until you have worked off your debt. Vengeance similarly is only until you have completed it. Then the companion ones, Guidance, Trust, Protection, and Dedication, are all theoretically done with if you have a mortal companion complete their goal and dies naturally. I'm not sure if the 450 points a Panic build can get, or the 150 a Relax build could get using Vice Versa is worth dedicating a companion to it.
RememberYou will never be a girl :)
>>78180062Good, need to choose hermaphrodite for the extra points anyways
>>78164414>prisoner scenariook this is definitely a trap option, there is no way someone would remain mentally healthy after being trapped alone for multiple years even with all the sanity stat and insanity immunity in the world
>>78180182I think there are actually some ways to deal with it. Enhancing your sanity stat or boosting resistance seems like a fools errand though, as that would just be prolonging the issue. Some other options would be like using Indomitable Self, to maintain your sense of self, Perfect Memory, to ensure you retain useful memories, and Machinemind, to use simulations to mitigation the isolation. Then you could try to circumvent the isolation with options like Astral Projection, or you could try to not be truly alone by way of Parallel mind. You could embrace it and accept some affect on you by way of Normalization, and/or Psyche Restore. You could try and force an early breakout through using other options like the Watched Curse. Then there are options like self inflicting a status effect like Sleep, or Coma and then using the Spellbind Tattoo or something else to end/block them when conditions for your escape come. There are also some other possibilities, like maybe being an elemental makes it a non-issue. Personally I think being able to self inflict sleep, and escape it, while having some options to maintain memories and your sense of self is what I think is the best way to deal with it. Of course you could just completely circumvent it by going with Multi-Instance, and having one body that doesn't take the scenario.
>>78165304>>78165649Every release just reinforces the Nephilim meta. True Elf PANIC! stocks tanked. Vows give a lot of points but anyone can take them, and not enough to compensate for all the free stat raises and discounts.300 points for purity is nothing, considering you no longer have 500 points in penalties for Nephilim+Something with more than 2 blue stats.It costs 50 points to get 15 class levels. It costs 200 points just to go from a light blue to blue in a single stat, not to mention all the ridiculous discounts.I couldn't even find some of the skills. What is Arcana? Where are the weapon skills? Is Invocation the same as Evocation? Seduction and Intimidation exist.>>78177625Lmao you're only going to need Metal and a couple others anyway.You have to pay for each status effect you could reasonably inflict (it's not clear if spells do, at all, just Curse and Energy-based powers) which limits the value of some of the better elements.I'll post my element tier list later. Waiting to see more builds and get clarification on applying Status for a few elements.Right off the bat I can tell you that you should be taking odd Manifestation to get rid of Lightning or add Metal to your aura. This would be true even if Apotheosis makes Slimes gratuitously overpowered.
while I'm not going to ask for it, it would be kinda funny if the elemental absorption could be overloaded into a "positive energy overdose" kinda situation
>>78181099Realistically, this CYOA is pretty easy to break and the rules are vague enough that the entire concept of a meta here feels a little silly.But I am still waiting to see a build, nephilim or otherwise, that can put up a fight against the Mormon Circus: a fully Multi-Instanced/Multi-Doppelgangered Entity that's an entire convent of permanently insane Mad Queen-worshipping Human/Angel nuns with maxed-out luck and faith, spending their human power bonus on Blessing so they can combine it with Angel's Blessing discount to pick up Void/Unknown/Intangible/Ophiuchus/Miracle/almost every other buff under the sun for zero point cost. All hundred or so of them can just become completely undetectable, intangible, Nulled, Anti-Psyed, floating, immortal, auto-rezzing, omni-absorbing, perpetually regenerating entities by praying for a bit before they overlay themselves into your head spamming their fourteen buffs a piece on all of the rest until one of them gets "lucky" and Ophiuchus pierces your resistance and procs Coma or some shit, and then it's all over.
>>78182133ophiuchus doesn't let you bypass divine resistances though?robot pope will be hard to take down for them(hypothetical automaton + other transformations hierophant who gets the maximum amount of racial immunities possible and turns them into divine immunities through hierophant)
>>78182194Could work, but that'd have to be a lot of racial immunities. If the Nuns were also Bohemians, they could proc physical status effects off of Ophiuchus if there were even a few mental statuses you weren't immune to.
>>78182335>Bohemians can proc extra statuses>>on themselvesI misread aaaaaa holy shit Bohemian is kind of badIt'd still be possible if they all inflicted Bio/Blight on themselves and it managed to spread but otherwise they'd have trouble, yeah. Is there even a way to bypass Divine immunities yet?
>>78182335between hierophant giving you 3 additional immunities and mad scion giving immunity to any status that would control or read your mind I think it should be possible to get immunity to just about every dangerous mental status effectmad scion in particular is dangerous for that mormon circus since each time they randomly trigger anything that mad scion blocks they get divine psychic backlash
>>78182438>Is there even a way to bypass Divine immunities yet?Levels. Since Apo decided that Immunity isn't actually an immunity and instead can be chipped away for each level greater than yours your enemy is, the way to bypass basically all of the crazy stacked bonuses is to start at 150 and then powerlevel as hard as you can.
>>78182576the CYOA literally states that if you think you found a way to bypass divine immunity, you didn'tthe only thing that can bypass divine immunity is something that explicitly says "bypasses divine immunity"
>>78181099Considering merging Acid and Dark into adjacent tiers. That whole second tier I'm least sure about.The Holy and Fire tier could shift rapidly if physical builds with Imbuement/Enhancement took off, or someone discovered some amazing Undead exploit, but meta-agnostic they can stay where they are.
>>78178620I'm running an Angel build anyway, so taking Faith and Prayer is kind of a no-brainer. A lot worse would happen if I failed that anyway, especially since my Patron is the Silent Moon and Prayer is one of her tenants anyway.Personal opinion, the majority of the drawbacks for failing a Vow are less-bad than a majority of the Curses just normally.
>>78182624The CYOA literally states that any *option* that claims it bypasses doesn't. Then it immediately explains how the non-option-based Level bypasses work. The note about level differences in the FAQ isn't an option - it's a statement about how the world itself functions. Unless Apo clarifies the FAQ yet again to note that divine immunities are exempt from level-based modifiers as well.Honestly, bloat's been a problem with TR for a while, but it's completely consumed what little coherence the CYOA previously had. The list of clarifications will have to be as long as the damn CYOA when it's done.
>>78182951That's very cool and high effort but I will definitely pick multiplayer because I like anons and then just make my build whatever I think is cute
>>78182438No. Divine Immunity for Status and Absorb for damage can't be bypassed.Regular Immunity and Resistance can be lowered by Darknut, and several other classes have a random chance to ignore. However, you cannot get around DI/Absorb. Automatons and their combinations are even "weak" to Energize, and immune to other Electric statuses, which makes them the sole exception to Electric being complete ass because they can rapidly heal themselves with it.
>>78183264also electric isn't nearly going to be as bad if you're just exploring the world and not really engaging with any PvP stuff
>>78183380Who said anything about PvP? Why do you think none of the other races besides the ones you picked exist, retard-kun?You can get the same heal nuking effect from Fire or Ice, and if you have class bonuses, Holy/Dark would be comparable at high enough level, and more likely to damage nearby enemies.
>>78183482it's a matter of how common they are and most of the electricity resistant ones aren't that common there's several race options where the number of extant ones are literally in the single digits next time read the CYOA before you try to call out people
>>78167141>>78173835So... does Nephilim can benefit from patron bonus from vows or not? Obviously their 'patron' would be the one that they take the powers from.
>>78183528>literally in the single digits>next time read the CYOA>source I made it up
>incomplete bestiary>Bro don't worry about these resistances barely anyone is gonna have them>trust me bro
>>78182951I myself am going for a techically physical based build, if with one with cheaty ways to get close and negate incoming ranged attacks(teleport in via spacial hacks, then punch you in the face) and mystical bullshit... but also one that spams all of the least resistable status effects via a combination of beholder-esque eye rays(evil eye), and touch based status effects to further enhance my melee attacks.magic is for buffs and debuffs(not just the listed status effects, but also stat boosting effects, attack multipliers, damage additives, etc) as the multipliers that one can get their melee shit up to is more than high enough to shatter the leveling curve.
>>78184036Nanomorph is literally in the single digits from the top of my head Nephilim aren't exactly common either
>>78183220Does ascend even have a divine immunity or does someone with an evolved eye can just insta kill anyone even at much higher levels?
>>78184144>incomplete bestiary>don't worry bro I already figured out which the best elements are same energy anon
>>78182951>lightning is badshit CYOA coolest element should always be mid-tier at least
>>78184278not that anon
>>78164414>>78165225It looks like Apo tried to balance giving Hermaphrodites both Sex Compatibility options by making it cost 100 extra Points and give 25 extra Corruption compared to a regular sex change, but obviously that doesn't work when Sex Compatibility covers so much.What I don't get is why he didn't opt for the balancing method of giving Hermaphrodites both Sex Compatibility options at half effectiveness instead, especially since exactly that idea was thrown around during the initial round of arguments months ago. Maybe he thinks purchases at 75% cost or bonuses at 150% would be too difficult for bookkeeping? The whole CYOA is already sprawling enough to basically require a spreadsheet anyway though, and if he wants to spite futafags for not picking a lane like he said last thread then I'd think complicating the build math would be an elegant way to do so.
>>78185225We already went over this
>>78185354Yeah, we know this was done because futafags would never be satisfied with less.
>>78185461When have any actual futafags said as much?
>>78185501Constantly, every time they asked why they didn't get both sex compatibilities across the year or so since they were officially added.
>he STILL falseflagging even after Apo already said he won't be making more changes Obssessed
>>78185654>after Apo already said he won't be making more changesHe said that like a week ago and has made changes every day since so I'm not sure what you're trying to claim here.
>>78185523Point me to a post that specifically said only the full effect of both sex compatibilities will be enough. When I skimmed the archive I only saw arguments about the herm option being imbalanced and proposals to improve that balance like this one >>78185225
>>78185777>Dig through a year+ of postsAnon...
>>78168717haters(assuming its really more than one autist) won't be satisfied until he annoys Apotheosis enough to make him do something drastic like a huge nerf or something
>>78185802Wouldn't a huge nerf of futa be appropriate right now since it's hands down unambiguously the best sex in the CYOA currently?
>>78185797>You have links for TWO archiving sites on OP, if I can use them to find 3+ years old CYOAs then you can easily back-up your claims the same way
>>78185523We had this conversation last thread and nobody said that. Then Apo changed it so that they got both even though no one asked for it.
>>78185825but you have to be a futa, anon
>>78164414Nephilim should have the Odd curse synergy. Its odd appearance is even in its description.
>>78185825Makes sense from a lore perspective of course the perverted gods of the Tentacle realm will make futa the most powerful sex
>>78164414I'm disappointed how much this has become a Nephilim wank. In the FAQ divine stats are nerfed because the category / stat tier is not interchangeable and only mentioned in the FAQ. So now the fair queen is being skimpy on champion powers and I get extreme + instead of divine tier, and the logical way to penetrate divine resistance is with divine power, but Nephilim get protection from divine power anyways. The doting lovers champion bonus share says it divinely empowers an ability/power of your lover, but then its just going though normal resistances ?Why are the gods not helping us fight the Nephilim, as the one section of powers they get minimal access to.
>>78165225before this change I've been treating Hermaphodites as 'pick one to be discounted, and you have the correct parts for all of the other side to be selected without needing to take 'extra organs' for them.'this new change has honestly been a large boost to my build.
>>78187590because before the addition of us players scewing Nephilim are honestly the rarest of the races by a non-insignificant margin? and that even if our entire playerbase somehow all picked Nephilim it wouldn't really change that fact?because against Nephilem they specifically send in their empowered champions and might even intervene as directly as they can?
So what does penetrate divine resists if anything?
>>78187986"That smell" even for a god it will be too much to handle as there is nothing that can resist it, it effects virtually everyone
>>78164414Here's a wall of text for you, mr. apo!Mechanics Questions>Are Automatons similar to Living Dolls in that they don't need to eat/drink/sleep/breathe, can't impregnate or be impregnated, and are immune to disease? Automaton's description says they're "superficially" similar to a Living Doll, but I'm not sure if that's what that's referring to. >If I take the Tall special body modifier multiple times, do I get the Bonus: Power every time?>Size/Depth Increase is the only place that mentions "erect" penis size. If I don't take Size/Depth Increase, is penis erect length/girth is the same as flaccid length/girth? (It's a shower rather than a grower?) Also, does the 33% increase multiply or add together if you take it multiple times?Mistakes?>The text for the Huldra extra race appears to be cut off?>Tentacle Monsters get Effective Touch with negative status effects. Shouldn't it be Hostile Touch?>Fairies are 2 feet tall? That's crazy huge for a fairy in fantasy media! Also, Fairies' strength stat should be "Puny", not "Pathetic". "Pathetic" is for Willpower.>Automatons have Parallel Mind listed twice in their Point Bonuses.>This text in Automaton's description ends abruptly before the comma: "Your power source will automatically slowly recharge while you are not actively,">Am I misunderstanding something, or is the Corruption mutation on page 14 using the wrong Corruption color in its description? Shouldn't it be the meter Corruption color rather than the point Corruption color?>Similarly, on page 1, the text at the bottom of the sex section uses the meter Corruption color for the number 25: "If you choose to change Sex, you are required to take ONE Curse with a Value of 25+." Shouldn't it use the point Corruption color?>The Gut Feeling combo mutation on page 15 says your microbiome would represent as the opposite sex to yourself. Why not the sex you are attracted to instead?>Text at the top of page 32 is overlapping.
>>78188588>>This text in Automaton's description ends abruptly before the comma: "Your power source will automatically slowly recharge while you are not actively,"Candlejack strikes aga
>>78187445Futa aren't hot though, they're ugly and gross so only someone like The Devouring King would like them.
>>78188758You know you aren't supposed to mention Candlejack by na
>>78188588>Fairies are 2 feet tall? That's crazy huge for a fairy in fantasy media!I've seen fairies that large before in media. Also they have to be big enough to take a non-micro penis.
>>78185825As an avid futa fag I'd be fine with just being able to pick one sex compatibility. But I find you insisting on nerfing futa hilarious because they just got un-nerfed from being worse than being binary due to some old misunderstanding.
>>78189361>We just got un-nerfed!That's just another way to say "Buffed to be literally twice as good as any other sex." Aren't you proving people's complaints about you correct by suddenly bragging about being better than everyone else?
>>78189189This, flying onaholes should be onahole-sized
>he is still going on My fucking god... What kind of mental illness is that
>>78189481>Aren't you proving people's complaints about you correct by suddenly bragging about being better than everyone else?No because you are intentionally ignoring half of what I said misinterpreting the rest.
>>78189563Anon, saying "Well I would've been fine..." is irrelevant, because that's not what you got. You got both sex compatibilities. So now that you have that, people are complaining that's unbalanced. Yet in the face of those fair and legitimate complaints, you're laughing and saying "It's just so funny that you're complaining about us getting un-nerfed!" like it's somehow illegitimate to think you getting twice as many discounts as everyone else is unfair.
>>78185825>>78189361>>78189481speaking of misunderstandings, there's a big one right now between a total nerf and a relative nerfeveryone wants a relative nerf because it's now overpowered, but futafags don't want a total nerf since that'd just take us back to square one
>>78164414with all these changes I keep hoping to see more extra transformations or changes. Candy is kinda worthless unless you have a very specific fetish or want Shoggoth. A few others are in the same position with only one or two extra choices. And Kobolds still have basically nothing, which seems crazy to me. At least give me one thing specific to kobolds, like a little fairy dragon or an elemental type thing or something.>>78189524Related, I would also enjoy a fairy + slime/doll/tentacle onahole-style extra transformation.
>>78189612This anon >>78185825 was calling for "huge nerf", which sounds like sending futa back to square one of getting no compatibility. That does not sound like "legitimate concern" but more like petty reactionism. If they advocated for a "a reasonable nerf to bring them in line with the others" then that would be understandable concern. But they are just crying (probably fake) salty tears over some minor only line argument which I find amusing. I'm laughing at the drama queens, not any honest balance suggestions.
>>78189624Personaly I want to keep it just to force all the number obsessed power gamers to become futas, just because it's funny
>>78189768I for one want more extra transformations for Homunculus. Only having Nephilim is kinda weird for the arguably most artificial race that can be combined with almost anything.
>>78189839I'm still keeping detachable robot penis because I think it's way funnier that wayno going futa for mejust found it lying around somewhere, realized it was compatible
>>78189768>koboldsKobold + Goblin = Actual dirty filthy cavedwelling shit-eating D&D Kobolds.
>>78164414How benevolent is the Charity Queen? I mean, what is even her definition of "benevolence" anyways
>>78190272More than the Avarice King but less than the Curious Oracle.
>>78164414If you have dispel immunity, can you control it to let past certain dispels, like dispelling harmful statuses?
>>78190336Asking because of Special Protection in History.
>>78190272You know how Liu Bei says "benevolence" a lot then spikes a baby and eats sopa de peasant?
>>78190724>Anon hasn't read the CYOA
>>78190799or i'm making a joke about the term 'benevolent' being nebulous
>>78190327I see, I'm making a kinda villainous priestess so I'm curious about how tolerant she would be of a character that tricks people into becoming tentacle hybrids as her own interpretation of "bleessing" since she sees tentaclehood as a gift even if against one's will
>>78186380Featureless: DickFeatureless: Balls
>>78189361There has always been the option to add a dick. Female+Extra Organs was always able to accomplish everything you could do with Futa minus the compatibility. That's literally what Apo said he wanted people to do and the old version was just a penalty for idiots.
>>78191314Are we going to repeat this conversation every thread? The title and description of Extra Organs doesn't make it clear that you can choose brand new organs you don't have any of. If Apo wanted people to do that, he could have added something to the description of Extra Organs to make it clear that that's possible.
>>78191314Again>>78185354Apo was just sperging out after misinterpretating a simple question and doubled down instead of admting a mistake, hence the bs he pulled in the old version. This whole shit already is solved but you cleary aren't happy and won't be satisfied until futafags get punished againGo seek mental help you obssessed autist
>>78191433The addition of Basic Alterations also makes the intended method a less than perfect solution. Apo just writes himself into a corner again and again yet refuses to admit any mistakes.
>>78189879yeah, that's one of the ones with limited options, along with the living statue, gazer, tentacle monster, and some others with only like 2 or 3 options. And then there's succubus and beast kin with like 15 options each.>>78190263Hell yeah man. Gimme some of those shitty cave lizards. All we have now are gremlins, which aren't even the japanese dog-kobolds.
>>78191687It's ridiculous that you equate being equivalent to the other sexes with being punished here.
>>78192973Not what I said but ofc twisting my words is all you can do, I'm not entertaining you anymore
>>78192973So you agree that extra point cost and corruption to become futa should be removed if futa is changed to only grant one sex compatibility? Thank you for your support. Justice and balance for futa!
>>78193276I think it's fair to include a corruption and a point cost, because changing your sex has a corruption and a point cost and you aren't a futa in real life. So you are, innately, changing your sex. Just like most people in this thread would need to pay to become a girl, you should have to pay to become a futa. That's fair. Unless you can prove you're intersex or something.
>>78193276Nah, it should be you pay the hermaphrodite cost to get both bonuses but half the bonus like >>78185225 suggested
>>78193376If that actually happened you'd complain when you have to keep track of decimal points. Like a 10 point option costing you 7.5 points.
>>78193408No? Why are you getting mad at an imaginary person you've invented in your own head? There's already decimal points in the CYOA anyway. Some races give half off of powers that end in 5.
CYOA mechanics that rely on what kind of person you are irl are utterly retarded
>>78193315But you said you wanted futa to be equivalent to other sexes. Currently it costs significantly more to become futa than simply changing sex if you use the option on the first page. And then there is the Exchange Tattoo which *gives* points instead of costing. Assuming you weren't lying about wanting futa being equal to the other sexes (who would lie on the internet?!) then obvious the cost to become futa on the first page should be reduced to match the sex change option and there should be a futa equivalent to the Exchange Tattoo, right? After you said you think futa should be equivalent to the other sexes and not worse, right?>>78193376Getting both at only half value is the same as only getting one at full value, so how would paying more to get the same amount as others who paid less be balanced? Unless you are suggesting also dropping the cost down to the normal sex change cost rather than higher cost futa currently has.
>>78193498It's such a small cost I literally do not give a shit.
>>78193514>But you said you wanted futa to be equivalent to other sexes.That is equivalent to other sexes. You need to pay to be a girl. You need to pay to be a futa. I don't care how much it costs, I'm simply defending it having a cost at all. You should stop being so obsessed with trying to gotcha me in this conversation.>The Exchange TattooYou realize that one does not switch your compatibility bonuses, yes?
>>78193524I agree but I meant out of principle, even if its a insignificant thing I think this type of shit shouldn't exist in cyoas at all
>>78193576>I don't care how much it costs, I'm simply defending it having a cost at all.I was just trying to get you to clarify since the wording of >>78193315 was a bit vague. I guess I could have been more clear, when I said "extra point cost" in >>78193276 I meant above the normal sex change cost. My apologies for not beign clearer.>You realize that one does not switch your compatibility bonuses, yes?That is debatable, especially if you have New You, since it's not clear what order things would happen. And if you are right about Exchange Tattoo not changing compatibilities then is there an issue with futa being of option for that tattoo or there being some other equivalent?
>>78193514>Getting both at only half value is the same as only getting one at full value, so how would paying more to get the same amount as others who paid less be balanced?Because you're getting access to both compatibilities, which could be more value for you if you're taking lots of mutations that have a compatibility. You're not paying more to get the same amount, you're paying more to get more if you make synergistic choices.
>>78193780But you aren't getting both compatibilities. You are getting two halves of two compatibilities. And you'd have to take twice as many things that qualify for compatibility just to get the same value. And you might just not have room in your build to buy twice as many powers or if you go PANIC! take twice as many mutations that give corruption. Then there is the fact that are only some many options with compatibility to begin with. So no you'd not be paying "more to get more" you'd be paying more to get the same or possibly less.1+1=21+1/2+1/2 also equals 2.
>>78193905>And you'd have to take twice as many things that qualify for compatibility just to get the same value.Yes, but it's also twice as easy to take things that qualify for compatibility because both compatibilities work.>And you might just not have room in your build to buy twice as many powers or if you go PANIC! take twice as many mutations that give corruption.Wow, being a dual sexed horndog is difficult when you're trying to make a purity build? Who woulda thought?>So no you'd not be paying "more to get more" you'd be paying more to get the same or possibly less.Ok? Then if it doesn't work for you just go by WOG and use Extra Organs. Who cares?
I hate being a futa but being a girl with tentacles, on the other hand, is pretty hot.
>>78193905Also, I actually checked and under the current rules my WIP build which is a hermaphrodite gets 390 points off of sex compatibility. If the sex compatibilities were halved it would be 195 points which is still more than the 150 point buy-in to be a hermaphrodite.
>>78194083>Yes, but it's also twice as easy to take things that qualify for compatibility because both compatibilities work.Right but that just goes back to 1+1=2 vs 1+1/2+1/2=2. You are still getting the same out come so still not "paying more to get more" because that would require 1+1/2+1/2>2 which just doesn't math.>Wow, being a dual sexed horndog is difficult when you're trying to make a purity build? Who woulda thought?Fair, but you can do lots of weird things on purity builds. And you ignored the perfectly valid point of having to buy twice as many powers to get the same value out of half-compatibilities, so no rebuttal to that?>Who cares?I mean we do since we are discussing it? I didn't mean pointing out the flaws in your math and logic as a personal insult, I was just trying to have a discussion about possibly better solutions.
I hate being a girl with tentacles but being a human male 4chan poster, on the other hand, is pretty hot.
what brain damaged narcissist would start a skub war about futa over a WIP thats getting more attention than his last 8 cyoas put togetherhmmmhmmmmmmmmhmmmmno idea lads
>>78194315>If the sex compatibilities were halved it would be 195 points which is still more than the 150 point buy-in to be a hermaphrodite.Okay, but that's not the important comparison. What is futa at half-compatibilities compared to only male compatibilities and only female compatibilism? Even that would be a bit anecdotal but at least vaguely relevant. If you want to make a really strong argument do a comparison of the total bonus points you can get from male only comp., female only comp. and futa at half-comp. and if you can come up with a way the the last one is something other than an average of the two I'd love to see your math.
Tentacle pits are for age regressed loli and shota anons
>>78164414Can I cast Evil Eyes via Scrying on distant targets?
>>78194083>Who cares?If you don't care then why are you getting into multi-post discussions/arguments over some WIP 40 page bookkeeping exercise?
>>78194452I wanna trap paladins and nuns into my tentacle pits and turn them into lolis and shotas once they get caught Then I will tickle them and lick their tummies of course
>>78194448You're never going to believe this... it turns out you're rightSo uh what was your suggestion? Hermaphrodite costs the same as any other sex transformation and you choose one compatibility to take? Seems like a good idea
>>78194697>Hermaphrodite costs the same as any other sex transformation and you choose one compatibility to take? Seems like a good ideaThat is perfectly fine by me. Thank you for this honest discussion.
