/acrg/ - Artist/Commissioner Rant General #959Sailing the high PCIEs edition.Remember to SCREENCAP your links so we can laugh when they delete their posts.Talk about artists or commissioners, mostly the bad ones or those who got under your skin. Share your experiences and get angry with us.For all artists (and commissioners who are close friends with artists) here, beware of: Horu, Pixxy, OkiOppai, Timedwatcher, AnythingGoes, Skitterleaf, kathielnotfound (Jocelyn Jones), and Snoopcrow/jbunny/j6un9 (jbunny).They will exploit and/or scam you should they get the chance.Last Thread: https://desuarchive.org/trash/thread/78509568
>>78551548I like exploiting talented 2nd/3rd word artists who charge less than $100 for something that a western artist would charge $300 for.
>>78551548Funny thing that: legally speaking if you commision something the artist still has full rights. You just have a license to use, and the artist can revoke that licence, or say you can't use it for whatever they decide, at any time. This one isn't on the artists though, it's the lawmakers and big business who decided that fun little trivia. If you have an artist in employment as opposed to just comissioning them for one piece, the company owns all the rights.Isn't copyright law fun?
>>78551715Cost of living variance is insane, I do wonder if it's mostly a language barrier that prevents the Western (particularly US) art scene from a major price collapse.
How many artists even accept commission work with explicit rights transfer?
>>78551898like non. All of these twitter artists are in their 20s-early 30s. Most of these fucks have never worked a normal job in their life, or atleast for long extensions of time. They're clueless on the real world. Though it is funny for them to immediately drop all their arguments for rights transfers stuff like they did with games.
>>78551945>Sell licenses to watch movies but not share or modify themPirating it is fine>Sell licenses to play games but not share or modify themPirating it is fine>Sell licenses to view art but not share or modify itWhat do you mean you have a problem? You don't hate artists, do you?
>>78551898Ha! I suspect most artist don't even know how copyright works. You ask for rights transfer and a lot of them will probably go "huh?" Honestly not even fully their fault. It's a deliberately dense law framework. The kind of laws they don't want the common citizen to understand.
>>78551548I know you called this bait when linking to the new thread in the previous but I unironically am more inclined to agree with it completely if retardists are going to go so out of their way to be petty to existing and potential customers. Especially so if those same morons manage to get revealed to use AI themselves
>>78552023When was the last time you commissioned a game or movie?
>>78552118Hi waga!
>>78552118when I pay for the game or movie and I'm served it via physical or digital media
>>78552118but dont you see comrade, this is just how ruthless businessmen act.
>>78552157Who? I just saw the image in this first post and thought I'd jump in cause copyright law is fucked up and most people don't realise.
>>78552175You don't pay to have it made. If you commision art, that piece wouldn't have been made without your initiative, direction, or funding. And yet the commisioner owns nothing. It's why I've commisioned only once and never again. Just not value for money.
>>78552118Purchasing the license to something doesn't necessitate commissioning it (though you can argue commissioning it should give you more rights over it and not fewer), but to answer your question I've commissioned animation once and a game never, unless you count supporting development as a patron to be the same as commissioning, which I do not.The argument seems even worse for artists in that light, considering commission work isn't even an independent project made for a broad audience that you're opting into viewing: It's a personally assigned project made specifically for you but typically only offered by artists under the same terms as impersonal market-lead projects.
>>78552234>you can argue commissioning it should give you more rights over it and not fewerThat's exactly what I'm arguing.
>>78552157i love how that faggots reaction was >"IM GONNA DRAW SCAT AND RAPE PORN OF YOUR OC IF YOU USE AI" I always wonder the types of people to be into drawing porn, but it's exactly what you'd expect. Losers who were definitely bullied that now have an ounce of recognition.
>>78552232>You don't pay to have it madeActually, you do. Video games and movies are made with the expectation of a customer to pay for it. It's merely a "commission" done in reverse.
>>78552275NOOOOOOOOOO GAME COMPANIES MAKE GAMES CAUSE THEY LOVE MAKING GAMES AND THEY EXPECT 0 PEOPLE TO BUY IT UWU
>>78552275>It's merely a "commission" done in reverse.So not a commision at all. By that logic everything that's sold is a commision, including groceries.
>fuck corporations and billionaires and the laws they made to remove our rights as customers!>fuck copyright law, copyright and IP doesn't exist! I will draw whatever character or IP that I please, they should have no legal control over it!>but actually... these copyright laws they put in place... they would be quite useful for me to use, it would be foolish for me not to use them! how could I not? art is a luxury, you see?
>>78552346this. I have no problem necessarily with the laws in place, but i find it incredibly ironic that the same people who love to virtual signal about big corpos or rich people using copyright laws to take advantage of consumers, now turning over backward and doing the exact same thing. Remember. It's all virtue signaling. Everything. 90% of these retards are privileged spoiled brats who've never worked traditional jobs.
>>78552023It's funny to see artists shit on copyright laws only to do a 180 once those laws start benefitting them. Spineless subhumans.
>>78552346Nah, I'm just a writer and I always say that if anything there is useful to people they can just use it freely. Not that I'm good enough for anybody to actually do that, but I make sure to make clear anything I make is free use.
>>78552399>>78552408NOT ONLY THAT, but seeing the same fucking retard then get caught out for literally tracing AI. It's literally the funniest shit ever.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeTybKL1pM4>this video is nearly 16 years old
>>78551548Reminder Mothdusky, who started this week's entire drama, traces AI for commission work anyway. This entire spat could've been voided if she'd just shut up.
>>78552102Yeah it's bait but it's definitely bait by reflection and not an out of hand statement.
>>78552268he wouldn't have the fucking balls to do it, he would worry about it hurting his twitter audience too much, if anything it would just be shared behind closed doors with buttbuddies
>>78552610new update! (it's a reference everyone uses y'all, please don't pay any mind to the fact mine matches the that artists 1 to 1)
>>78552232>And yet the commissioner owns nothingActually depending on the province/state, if no previous arrangements are made, it can be described as 50-50 ownership, or at least an implied right to publish the finished work
>>78553019Now post the dicks they use for reference :)
>>78552983its not that if, it's just threatening he would. Goes to show how childish these retards are.
>>78553019She gave up on defending the proven AI trace to refute an easier claim and take the dub, it's typical deflection.
>>78550893 >>78550893>>78550893 actual non ai baiting thread
>>78553658Its just a different kind of bait desu
>>78553059Worse. It also depends on where the artist in question lives, not just the comissioner. Not just province/state, but country. Unless you know where they are and just so happen to know what law exists there you're essentially spinning the wheel on whether you're going to own anything or not even if your location says you do. So if you ever comission I bid you welcome to headache city, population you.
what do the pixiv emotes mean. does this person hate my drawing?
>>78553658It’s a fake thread, this is the real one because people can’t learn to not make dual threads
>>78552346I that I live in a socialist country laugh at these retards.
AIbros are so fucking retarded lol
We won, you lost.
>>78553019A photo or another artist's piece?
>>78554420if they've done it twice, they've done it numerous times
>>78554420This entire argument is just deflection, she 100% traced the astronaut AI image and wanted to shift focus to an image reasonably may not have traced to control the discussion by refuting your image and by proxy shutting up tje actual proof she traced AI
>>78553658That thread got made way early.
what if we just run two threads and see which one wins by the end of it
>>78555096Does /trash/ even have board staff? Worst case i can see them axing one since it would become a problem of people trying to make feuding generals to let both get spite bumps all day/week
https://x.com/KakaShittin/status/1978186063077081570>my friend made a nsfw flattening scenario with someone else's oc>the original artists sperged out at them>they killed themselves over this, his mom told me so over discordthis has to be bait right?
Nearly all of zoomers are thoroughly woke, embracing fascist style censorship, antisemitism, and even terrorism. They're overwhelmingly left leaning, vocally pro Palestinian, and openly supportive of Hamas. A majority of them identify as trans, even the underage b&. This stems directly from grooming by millennials in the LGBT community, who pushed their ideology through platforms like Tumblr or explicit adult websites. The queer community ought to be restricted to 18+ only, just like the furry scene anything less is reckless. In fact, this kind of influence should be outright illegal. the LGBT agenda has no place in children's media or entertainment. These are the same generation who sparked mass killings and deadly fires in Nepal back when social media bans were enforced, turning chaos into tragedy. they are all moralfags who can't distinguish between fiction and reality, blurring lines in ways that fuel their extremism. They all came of age glued to screens, with unrestricted internet access from day one, marinating in Tumblr's toxic echo chambers that warped their worldview beyond repair.
>>78555267Too late, and when the world figures out what gays and thiggers are they will all cry out to send them to futile meat grinder wars. People will beg Israel to contain the leftoid faggot problem. Why contain it?
>>78555267I hope you're right about gen Z. Certainly isn't looking like that right now, with right-wing extremists trashing cities, but there may still be hope.
>>78555169and if retards post schizo shit like >>78555267, you can just hop onto the other thread.
Civit
>>78555267Artists or commisioners?
>>78555506The other thread is fake, this is the real thread
>>78553019>>78552610How do we know you didnt ai gen those samples to slander them?Faggots
Every post calling her out for tracing AI is just getting reported as spam and suppressed by dick riders.https://nitter.poast.org/Mothdusky/status/1978203601454477453>>78556163The AI generated astronaut predates her twitter post tracing it by 9 months.
>>78556163>>78556178It's also still up:https://civitai.com/images/29346907
>>78556246Tattooed nubs disgusts me in some novel way I hadn't expected before.
>>78551548>comissioning isn't owningwho says this?
>>78556178>kick a hornets nest >WOW WTFBBQ THEY'RE STINGING MEEEEE THIS WASN'T SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN YOU WERE ON MY SIDE!
>>78556375where have you been my nigga.
>>78556178>>78556222So the trick would be to gen in private and trace from there?Ok, got it, retards
Sir, another Jewish AI company just porned the towers.
>>78556422Always has been.Well really only has been for like 2 years but you get it.>>78556375That's been the biggest thread drama of the weekend/week so far, artists coming out to say that commissioning them for your character doesn't give you rights to modify the image.
>>78556422gens trace art too
>>78556516>artists coming out to say that commissioning them for your character doesn't give you rights to modify the imageYet they were doing jackshit about third-party edits for years. What gives?
>>78556605The inciting incident this time around was a commissioner paying for a still image from an artist (later exposed to be an AI tracer) that then put their commission into AI animation software to create a short animation from the still image.The artist, Mothdusky (20k+ followers) called them out and blacklisted them/DMCA'd the animation, and after it was revealed they traceed AI for commission work in the past, furry-Twitter has begun to argue that artists tracing AI is fine but commissioners using AI is what's not fine.
>>78556516>doesn't give you rights to modify the imageyeah but they can't stop mewhat are they going to do?besides whining like a bitch
>>78556680Shit, I guess it's fine to trace AI gens myself instead of paying someone to do it for me.
>>78556685Namely blacklist you from getting commissions with other artists, but blacklisting a paying customer for modifying after the fact misses the point that it just means they'll NEVER bother with doing comms after and will probably exclusively AI gen from that point on.
>>78556653>"You're not allowed to use AI on the commission YOU payed for! But I'M allowed to use AI to aid or literally trace over as your commission!"What the fuck is happening right now
>>78556758>blacklist you from getting commissions with other artiststhat's too much for something so insignificant
>>78556797mental dissonance kicking in while they try to reconcile two opposing ideas.
>>78552346>I hate copyright law, people should be able to draw whatever they want!!!>...But you better believe I'm going to abuse it to stop people from drawing my characters or using my art in situations I don't approve of>I hate subscription based models!!! I'm just going to pirate instead!>...BTW here's a link to my patreon. And you better not leak it or you're a dead motherfuckerThese aren't the only examples of this phenomenon but they're the two biggest ones. What makes artists so hypocritical and entitled these days?
>>78557226You don't hate artists enough
>>78552346>>78557226You retards would get mad in a war if the other side started shooting back
>>78557226I really hate to agree with the schizos but how everything drama related behave and sparks on the today's internet traces back to Tumblr/SA
>>78557226>What makes artists so hypocritical and entitled these days?Using twitter, becoming a slave to the algorithm and becoming a dopamine junkie, all rotting their brains and characters
try scrolling down, I regret that.https://rule34.paheal.net/post/list/Breadwinners/1
>>78556422Yes, that also means putting in work that you can't flaunt publicly. This is insight in the small minds of these assholes. They cannot do things without monetizing it or fishing for praise. They cannot just practice or make art because they want to because they have the form of retardation called narcissism. There is nothing inside them that pats their own back, it's a black void. So they will take shortcuts in work purely to put a good outward appearance and say anything that gets them praise while believing nothing because, again, there is nothing inside them.
>>78557824The damage of tylenol.
I just had an epiphany. Could it be that all those DeviantArt closed species kiddies grew up into what we're seeing now? "You did a no-no, so I'm taking away your right to use the art/OC you paid me for. No, you're not getting your money back. Also I'm blacklisting you from my Cool Kids Club and telling others to do the same". The similarities are striking.
>>78558106noticing. You may be onto something.
>>78558106They're the same people, I called closed species and adoptables "web1.0 NFTs" and it became a whole struggle session
>>78551898Me, idgaf. More like shared ownership. I want to post my art, what you do with your character and their art is up to you.
>>78558106I suppose just looking at their first posts might answer that directly. If it's reaching back 20 years and they were a faggot back then yes they were.
>>78558106its an evolution of it, yes.
>>78552346It’s not so black and white; copyright doesn’t serve its purpose when it’s mostly used as a bludgeon by brand names in no danger of idea theft. Copyright’s whole purpose is to protect competitors from larger entities with more resources, since new competition always starts with almost nothing(comparatively).The issue people have with copyright is that it’s more often used to suppress fair competition than it is to support it, meaning the laws ought to have exception clauses redefined and updated as necessary.
>>78552346For how much you niggers praise AI and claim it's over for artists, you sure are obsessed with artists and being annoyed by them apparently.You have no reason to even look at twitter or any art gallery anymore do you? Just follow only AI accounts and make your own AI art?
>>78559074I'm in it for the bait and discourse, I only follow the same dozen artists from before covid (and three of those are inactive now)
>>78559074I think most of us here, besides a few jeets are indifferent to AI. It's the fact artists are so fucking brain broken by it that they want to start invoking copyright laws they claimed they hated just a few months ago, yet look now, trying to justify their own usage of AI, destroying their entire moral compass.
>>78559074>For how much you niggers praise AI and claim it's over for artists, you sure are obsessed with artists and being annoyed by them apparently
>>78552118The department of defense uses my tax dollars to pay movie and game developers to make propaganda.So every time I pay taxes.
>>78555261Looks like some 14 year old starting some drama and tying to rile up a crowd like on the furry drama Tumblr's of old.Just stupid.
>3.5 MILLION views.Imagine blowing this opportunity to DMCA and then getting exposed for being an AI tracing hypocrite instead of just getting more single-time exposure than some of the biggest artists on the Internet.
>>78561030so wait, the events were>guy commissions art from some literally who artist>guy loads his art into Grokthen the problem came when>literally who artist DMCA's the art because he's butthurt about AI>this fires up a controversy over AI and what is considered stolen art>people find out the original artist used AI to begin with so getting butthurt is fucking retardedhad the artist not DMCA'd what would have happened? literally nothing? people would get mad at the commissioner but thats it?Seems like the situation was a lose/lose harder situation and the artist chose no survivors
>>78561194The artist could've literally said nothing.
>>78558283I share that opinion. I couldn't give a shit what someone does with whatever they commission my only stipulation is just credit me as the artist
Thoughts on Rodixxl? Whole shtick is taking others works and animating them with retention of artstyle and allCon though is that he often disappears for months, even up to a year. Makes him terrible to commission too
>>78561408Animator comms are rare as fuck so I typically let it slide that they take forever to get.
Avoid Blakeynsfw
>>78562468Bro its been 10 months is this fucking you?
>>78562468why didn't you charge back?
>>78562468Comissioncucks deserve this
>>78551548>List of artists using AI to fill commissions or patreon posts: azoomer, hospitallerinaboat, ineeda_arts/ineedanaccount, plutoumbreon, sallandril, derickk76, Kogeikun, leon_cheetah, NinesM_art, KovarShark, thebird444 / threezetasupdated the list after looking through all the suggestions from https://desuarchive.org/trash/thread/78509568/#78527767decided to leave out ones that obviously state use of ai in their bio already or ones with too few posts to be sure. this list is intended to warn people of scammers that try to fool you with ai genned fake comms without telling you, not a list for calling out people who's bio says "I do ai for fun" so I left that kind of thing out.
>>78562468dripponi is also like thistakes him a month to respond if he even responds at all
>>78563479I don't get why this mentality is allowed. Any other job you get shitcanned for less.
>>78563479if you notice at the bottom it says he's blocked now
>>78563546Account is deactivated
>>78555267I don’t know what schizo shit you’re going on about but why drag Doremi into it?
>>78563766One sniff of Onpu's asshole drives them mad
>>78563544Yeah, some people really need to get better at communicating. Asking for an update shouldn’t take weeks or months to respond to. Just say it’s coming along, taking longer than expected, etc.
>>78551548Update: Mothdusky locked down their X account.
It's always a sheltered 16-18 year old that is terminally online. Their brains haven't developed fully and they will literally eat up anything they read on the internet as if it's gospel itself.
The niggers in this thread are really arguing against being able to edit a png that I paid to have made. I'll draw ms paint swastikas over this shit if I want to faggot.
>>78559074I'm the anon you're replying to and I actually do not praise AI
>>78562468>have the option to chargeback on paypal within 6 months>chargeback if there's no finished product 1 day before the chargeback deadlineit's literally so fucking easy dude, why do people let themselves get scammed like this?
>really tiny niche artist I wanted to be friends with trooned out>I had months to befriend them and hopefully convince them not to go through with it but I was never able to because I'm too shy to talk to people even online>he's the only artist to actually thank me for following him on fa because he's so small>now I don't really want to be friends because I'll be walking in a minefield otherwiseIf being a troon makes him genuinely feel better then I wish him well, but fuck, what could've been had I not been such a fucking autistic retard
>>78552023So you mean that when I buy a game/movie, I own all the copyrights to it? You realize how retarded that sounds, right?No one is going to touch the commissioned drawings in your personal folder, put DRM on them, or make them accessible only via the internet. You are not prohibited from showing them to your friends, sharing them on social media, using them as wallpaper, or editing them. And if you really want to do what you were asked not to do, at least don't do it publicly. If you want to do it publicly, find an artist with different ToS, or pay extra for commercial use with all copyrights. Is it really that hard not to be a jerk?
>think artist is chill>win diceroll and meet them at event>coincidentally going to the same panel>walking together, spot drink machine>buy soda, take sip>room fucking temp>trying to mask internal reeing>"Hey anon lemme hold that for a sec">odd request but it's not like they can make it any worse>hand it over, figure they can have the rest>arrive at panel>"Here you go anon">bottle is ice fucking cold>how did they>look back up>artist is goneDrank the soda though.
>>78564732>think artist is chill>cooled your drinkHuh?
>>78564795I guess you could say the artist was cooler than he thought.
There should be an AI that archives all art and tries to find tracers
https://youtu.be/KZ4pnCu0Ji0?si=zYZ2UdcP5Als2j3pJust why???https://twitch.tv/tygre
>>78556758So let me get this straight, even independent of any tracking,Artist gets assmad a paying commissioner throws commissioned image at online "AI" image to video generator, makes a stink about this happening, blacklists the paying commissioner that clearly has no moral qualms about using image generation software but is willing to commission artists over image generating anyway, and somehow the artist doesn't think for a moment this commissioner is going to go "Fuck this shit I'll just get my shit done with Stable Diffusion"?I know artists can be kinda retarded sometimes but this seems absurd.
>>78564991*Tracing, fuck.
>>78564887>Just why???he's a pedophile
>>78565324you're saying that like it's controversial
>>78565360i wouldn't say calling ABDLs inserting themselves into the public space "pedophiles" is very controversial desu
>>78556758I must be a retard or something. From my perspective once you have control of a file that I made, I can't stop you from doing stuff with it. Shoving it into an AI slop machine is on the same level to me as if you took it into paint and scribbled all over it then uploaded that. I don't care for it either way, but I can't stop you doing that so what the fuck do I care about it? Just don't act like I made the whole thing and it's cool.Which that guy didn't, he made it clear that he fed the piece into AI, that kind of attribution is fine as far as I'm concerned. Distasteful in my opinion, sure, but why should I care what he did with a piece he paid me money for? At worst I just choose not to work with that guy again.
>>78557824I saw the search in the URL knew what I was getting myself into and was still horrified. Thank you anon, I need to go scoop my eyes out now.
>>78558106You know what's funny? When I was like 6 I got into arguments with friends pretending they could "copyright their work" at that age and it caused a huge thing where every artist at my school started to do that but eventually everyone realized that's as stupid. Fast forward to becoming an adult and finding out these individuals never grew up 5, 10, 15 years on into their own adulthoods... Yeesh. I fucking hate other artists.
>>78564633>Niche artist I knew for a long time meets some commie larping Troon champagne socialists >He troons out in a few months >Starts to have schizophrenic delusions about everyone being out to get himIt hurts because this happened I three different friends and nothing I said did anything and none of them seem happier for it
>>78563544probably just because of the nature of how commissions workproblem is that more people need the mindset of issueing chargebacks if it takes to long>inb4 long waiting listred flag imo but a soluotion to that is paying when they get around to you in the queue
>artist stops drawing because they are too busy gooning to aiNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>78552289 Only half of your wild extrapolation wasn't a lie thougheverbeit
>ou need a bot to suck your e-dick for you?No, but they're cheaper and allow more freedom than some schmuck on Discord could offer, and it won't make a call-out post if I get too spicy.
>>78566438Jinu sisters, our response?
>>78564732that was a ghost of an artist gone by who cooled your drink with the cold touch of death
>>78566438Never been an AI gooner, what's the possibility of ChatGPT erotica being lame and restrained? I doubt they'd just completely open the floodgates.
>>78566438I hope they do open up ChatGPT to erotica. I use it professionally and it's quite useful for quickly collating my work, but always baffled that people rely on it entirely for simple tasks instead of using their brains. Regardless, it's very hard to find someone not only into the same things as me, but who can actually write at a similar level to me with the same intensity so I'm actually excited.
>>78551548I could literally give less of a shit what my client does to the artwork after it's delivered. I have a philosophy of not being as emotionally invested in my artworks made for commissions as I am towards my personal art. 99% of the time, I don't like the client's idea but I try regardless but I don't have much love it. This whole drama could've been avoided.
>>78566698It'll be very vanilla, and only get worse overtime as people will post their more raunchy chat logs that'll be deemed problematic, which will be used to 'improve' it. Non-con content will the first to be sanitized.
>>78567403I hope you are wrong. I tried an AI chat early on years ago only for them to sanitize it completely. Surprisingly grok works quite well so I'm hoping it's a better Grok in that sense. Especially for extremely niche fetishes
Who are some artists that are actually good to follow? That don't post any trash takes or political shit?
>>78551715>>78551791Activates my almonds when 3rd world artists charge 1st world prices. Anyways most 3rd world artists are derivative so when AI actually got good I moved on immediately. Nowadays I just visit threads like this once in a blue moon to laugh at retarded prices and drama because artists aren't smart in general.>>78566698btw pic related is an actual tranny. It's weird how it's almost always trannies or furries.
guys you don't get it, they're only ONE more snide, snarky remark away from changing people's minds on AI!
>>78567724The tweet or the Splashwo?
>>78568150The tweet. Seen that name a few times to recognize and be curious so I checked and it was a tranny.Also lmao to that anon thinking I'm here to convince anyone. Like dude, my anon, almost anyone remotely interested in AI has tried it by now and even the usual anti-AI artists just gave up with the nanobanana figure trend and now the Grok img2vid shit. Literally, the money grubbing corporations are the only entity in this entire world that still gives enough of a shit to try to convince you.
>>78563544because online they're a protected class, if you did a chargeback where they didn't respond after months YOU are the villain for taking their rent money, not the person that was supposed to do a job they were paid to do..
Ive been waiting a month and a half for an icon commission. Artist has been posting their own work, doing drawpiles, and posting art trades in the meantime.To be honest I dont even want the picture anymore. Am I an asshole if i just message them to say not to bother, even though I already paid? Im an artist in the same community as them, with a larger account, so I was kind of getting the commission to do them a favour and signal boost them anyway. Hes only updated me twice, at the start of september, then three weeks later, which was just some of the flats.
>>78564249Fuck me. I was scrolling through her timeline and found a tweet about how she left her job after she learned she can earn a lot more money from art. Well, not anymore, lmao. I should've screenshoted it.
>>78564249https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSLLxHXGR7I
>>78568768chargeback. Or tell them again. This shit is unacceptable. Stop letting artists swindle people. There's 0 reason a fucking commission should take anywhere as long as a fucking week+, unless it's REALLY complex. The fact that half of you guys tolerate comissions that take upto months is crazy to me, when it raw man hours, they only take upto a few hours at MOST.
>>78569740Most artists I had delays with gifted me a ref sheet or an alternate version of my piece so I don't personally care for delays. Only exclusively bad experience I had was an artist that vanished from twitter a few weeks after I sent the money but I just charged back. (I think they might be dead actually)
dont trust vore fans with pet snakes or they'll go zoosadism mode and start jerking off to actual real dead animals, recording it to post on twitter and say "uwu vore" or some shit as caption
>>78564249Interesting little thing I found
>>78570576>look, using AI to trace is fine because AI isn't able to be copywritten even though I know AI steals others' work to generate the image I'm tracing>but also, tracing a real picture is also fine because it's a popular "reference picture" from pinterest!spiraling
>>78556379>kick a hornets nestChat is this a silksong reference
>>78570860I'm more curious about that 16k debt
>>78570894>16k debtlet me guess, they're e-begging for donations or emergency comms to pay it off?
>>78570931If theyre American 16k in debt can seriously be as little as a broken bone without insurance.But since its a woman there's a 50/50 chance of that vs consumer spending debt.
>>78570931Well, she locked her twitter account, but you can search "MothDusky" on xcancel and see the replies under her posts. They all mention the AI generated video thing, but there is almost no mention of the tracing drama, which leads me to believe she locked it to create an echo chamber and feed her followers her version of the story without people from the outside coming in and calling out the bullshit.
>people still add noise to their art in an attempt to ward off AI using their art even though ti doesn't workeven e621 has a tag for it and the wiki entry questions its efficacy and even makes claims that it could cause issues to the viewer (it could be ableist)
>>78566698cant be more restrained than the westerners making literotica now.
>>78555267>shedtwt>daveWhat?
>>78571674it's just aerofag autismyou cant expect someone to be right in the head after inhaling exhaust fumes all day>implying aerofarts
>>78570576>16k in debt probably bullshit but how the FUCK you know.. pissing off people isn't the best way to get out of debt,
Which porn artists do you recommend for commissioning?
>>78572903me
autism kino
>>78572933Twitter? Or some social network?
>>78573159You use Discord?void3239
https://x.com/Telepeturtle/status/1978193088079167521>Be suggestive-focused ecchi artist>Start having crisis of faith in values>I draw because it could help someoneWho is this supposed to help? you could have drawn anything else other than blue woman foot porn but you choose to be a melodramatic faggot over your ecchi bullshit. Nobody's stopping you from making more melancholic art without the pornographic subtext
>>78573483powerful
>>78573483It helps me cum so it is doing something.
>>78573483The retard has a gf that does OF.This is why
>>78572903>Go on gallery site>Search up favorite tags/similar tags>Find style you like>go to source/uploader page>Check for commissions in price range>Repeat until you find artist who matchesWorks 90% of the time imo
>>78573483this is precicely why i refuse to call myself an artist and do not call what i make art. I draw things and my pictures are drawings
>>78573483>>78574258who tf cares about labels? Genuinely. You're living and dying by man made categories. Do whatever you want. Draw whatever you want. I don't know why people feel the need to try and justify their existence to you rather than just.... y'know, existing?
What's the best time to post furry smut on twitter for engagement?
>>785743486-7 PM.
>>78574303fuck labels. Im black and i can say nigger in public without backlash! Im also a woman! Words dont mean anything, man!
>>78574365SIX SEVENNNNN
>>78574366Way to miss the point dickweed.
>>78574258Imo, anyone can be an artist. if you have focused on improving your skill of drawing, you're an artist, and if you use that skill, you are creating art.Not everything you create will be higher art, however. This is an important distinction nsfw artists now are seemingly failing to recognize. they need to just actually draw proper stories instead of trying desperately to make porn high art. it's low brow. crass. It doesn't want to say much, which is why it's not high art.
>>78573483>I don't draw for likesIf that were true you'd be using an actual art site and not Twitter
>>78573483>>Start having crisis of faith in valuesNah, he got a girlfriend who has an OF, he pretty much going down the path iDubbbz did.
>>78574704People say this a lot but twitter is good just because it gets more eyes on you in general. Someone retweeting a post will get more eyes on it than the net number of people searching on a booru. If you were to draw your favourite blorbo on a site like twitter and someone with 100k followers likes it enough to retweet it, youre getting way more eyes on your work compared to the number of people choosing to search your blorbo on rule34 or e621. Obviously you should post to both though.
i HATE inflation i keep seeing the lowest quality slop get thousands of likes and be sold for huge sums of money these motherfuckers have NO standards
>>78575379inflation isn't thiccfag idiocracy
>>78551764is it? i was kinda under the impression that if money changes hands and you're not explicit that it's a donation the rights are transferred. then again, us law is fucked up sometimes (aka all the time).
>>78575379You look inflatable. <3
>>78576110I knew a guy irl who commissioned an artist for a book cover. They made an agreement and paid, then the artist went and sold the original piece for a few hundered bucks. Didnt even tell the guy I knew he was doing it.
>>78575496a little bit of inflation is healthy imho, like 2% yoy
>>78570458>This is what the internet expects you to tolerate and share space with just because you found the thought of being swallowed alive hot
>>78573483>I don't draw for likesEveryone likes validation. Ironically, Telepurte is drawing to please his OF gf>I draw because it could help someone who needs itIf you need to see this black haired OC to not kill yourself then maybe you should kill yourself. You'd be one less mouth to feed. >Art is a medium for words >Words have power
>>78576110>>78576198the good old "I don't see your name on it" rules apply unless you have an agreement in writing
>>78577081>commission guy to design empire state building>build it, looks great, can kill people by dropping coins from the viewing platform>turn around>identical empire state building in new jersey>this is somehow my fault
>>78577377Lel
Is there anything more cringe than trying to explain/justify your weird fetishes?>”ackshually in my AU feminine boys assholes work similarly to pussies because of estrogen and hormones which causes their bussy to self-lubrica-“Just say you like wet farts, you don’t need to write a whole lorebook about why you commission it every single time
>>78578999look man you gotta lay out the logistics so they do it right instead of half-assing it
>>78579071was about to agree with the other anon, but when you put it that way...
I can assure you there is a sizeable proportion of mainstream artists out there tracing ai. And I don’t blame them either, it can hammer down all the anatomy and other hard shit they won’t bother to learn
>>78579174can you name like...atleast three?
>>78579185Me lol
>>78579071Maybe, but 1) It’s never done any deeper than the guy farting while squirting anal juices, and 2) you think any artist is gonna bother to read all that shit, let alone give a fuck, when the end result is “he farts and squirts anal juices everywhere”?
>>78579214fairbut I imagine the more complicated/weird shit needs at least a cursory explanation just so people know what the hell you're actually talking about.
>>78578999It's a classic case of: Autist having not self awareness and overly explaining shit no one cares about and the other doesn't want to come off as an asshole by telling them to STFU, so the issue persists.
>>78579258To an audience yea, but if you’re just comm’ing an artist they don’t need all that to draw what you want. To be a bit more clear, in the example i’m talking about a commissioner. If you’re an artist it’s another thing, but if someone else is doing it they just wanna get the work done. Only scenario i’d say its permitted is if its for a specific scenario in a comm your getting so you can, like >>78579071 said, give the artist a better understanding of the commHell I got my own headcannon/idea for why I like to commission fat-ass-tiny-dick bottoms topping chicks but i’m not gonna dump that info on every guy I comm
>get into a small conversation with anons about leaks after an artist has a melty, why wouldn't they just sell old patreon stuff?>had an epiphany after looking at their page >they're fucking japanese A closed case right then and there, art's like a sacred cow to them, even if you had 1000 people buy their shit if one, ONE person was to leak it they would collapse and refuse to sell anymore, I hate dealing with japs
>>78573483Best reaction video to the whole thing
>>78574784what is with OF whores turning men to cucks or have the men always been cucks
>>78567724Ai artifacts activate my almonds so it's going to be a no go for a while.
>>78579596men have always been cucks, and you have to think about the type of dude to get into such a relationship. The truth is, 99% of people could not handle seeing their significant other flaunt their body openly, seeing them either respond to raunchy messages or flirtation. It just fucks with 99% of people's minds. Not saying it's impossible, just for most people, requires alot of mental capacity, self-confidence and self-assurance. But that's the thing. If you were some confident, strong mental chad dude, why the fuck would date a OF chick? You could probably get way more fulfilling and enjoyable relationships. So the only people who are typically willing to date these types of women, are guys with 0 spine. Doormats, simps, whatever you wanna call it.
>>78579596The latter. You gotta have some degree of cuckness to yourself to date someone who shows off her body to dozens, if not, hundreds of other men
>>78579596Schrodinger's cuck
>>78579596women have always been harpies and men have always been some varying degree of cuckold
>>78579596Tale as old as Onlyfans
https://x.com/Ethel_stuff/status/1977223145519300820
What is a reasonable commission policy?At what point do the DONTs go too far in your view?
>>78551548Just saw that opening image from the catalog. What the fuck? Imo the whole concept of IP law is retarded, but I'm still a bit stunned by what it seems like is going on.
>>78580783it's bait.
>>78580783>>78580883It was explicitly made as a bait OP at the end of the last thread.That said, any people that give the bait legitimacy do so because furry artists take the full retard route whenever possible and immediately lashed out at a paying commissioner in favor of a hypocritical artist that traces AI for the commissions anyway instead of just communicating that artists need to make a standardized list of rights-exclusive/rights-inclusive pricing for their commission cards.
>>78566408>Dustbornwe caught a asmon roach out of his containment board!
My balls smell
>DM artist for a YCH that he has multiple slots open for on FA>check back a couple days later>ignored
>>78574992Then you don’t care about art you care about clout
>>78580688When they don't do the thing I want from them. At that point I boycot them by not commissioning them for the thing that they said they wont do.
>>78582249Better than you editing stuff I fucking hate into it and uploading the edit with my name on it I guess
>>78564887this faggot went dark after the publicity of this and got banned from twitch
>>78582448But why. I get it, it's weird. And if you assumed he's a pedo good chance you're right. But like, what rules did he violate.
>>78552232>It's why I've commisioned only once and never again. Just not value for money.If you have your own OC there is almost no other way besides just straight up learning how to draw yourself. I can understand no value when you commission other characters, especially copyrighted ones, but it's nice seeing your OC in a popular artist's style so I'd say there's some value there.>>78564887Holy fuck I'm glad I wasn't born into loving gay furry shit.
>>78582786>sexual contentI'm not going to engage in the "buh diapee id not segual!111" rigamarole with you, nigger
Why do people like non-AI stuff again?
>>78583546Are you genuinely asking, or just taunting those who wanted to keep the other thread alive?
>>78583579Part genuinely. I stopped seeking out new non-AI stuff, mostly because average quality is better now, and I dont have to sift through scribbles to get to the gems. Like 8 new tabs from a page of e6ai compared to 0.5 from a page of e621. Often truly more interesting too.
>>78583579Also what other thread
>>78583852https://desuarchive.org/trash/post/78550893It died just a bit before >>78583546 was made, so I assumed that was the reason for such a weird question.
>>78579596>what is with OF whores turning men to cucksTypically onlywhores are moralfags and normies, and because it's generally considered normal to listen to your GF/wife, people get pussywhipped exceptionally easily and start having to morally justify their actions to someone who probably will break up with them if they ever stop making money from said actions, despite also being on the edge of being broken up with because of said actions.You don't win by getting a GF who could give less of a shit about your interests. you will lose everything you've built up, eventually.
>>78583546>Stylistic choices>Soul>Can do poses that ai can't/struggles heavily with>Can do your oc's and obscure characters>Will introduce you to other artists you might likeSmall things add up.A good proship/dead dove artist will mog a normal artist 90% of the time in both quality and price, it's absolutely worth it to pay the extra cost IMO
>>78579596>>78584451https://youtu.be/Pjd3vUhmtpk
How does this image make you feel?
>>78585154Overstimulated
one single commission for $81?https://x.com/studio_tanuki_/status/1978644548621344916
>>78585532>Adobe's monthly feeI swear to god the average artist has an IQ of 40 at best.
<weed> MEGA PROOF THREAD <weed>https://x.com/Mothdusky/status/1978624207454875703
>>78585900Copyright sisters, we did it!
>>78585900>it was I2I!>someone pointed out that civit didn't have that feature yet at the time >also someone found another traced AI image The hole digs deeper..
>>78585900
>>78585900this nigga so retarded. funniest drama of the month
>>78586255>>78586152As someone that does AI, only way to really know if the metadata is accurate is by genning it yourself. It's pretty easy to spoof your metadata and I do it regularly myself but considering this guy has other traced AI pics it's already enough evidence.Also this isn't something you can really img2img, it's more like Controlnet. I don't think Civitai still has img2img though, let alone Controlnet. Can't be assed to check the Twitter link since I'm too lazy to log in but this guy sounds like a retard lmao.
>>78586255the truly disgusting thing is that they used ponyxl
>>78586593Someone already genned it and it looks almost exactly the same
non-artists deserve to be treated as second class citizens!
>>78573483This dude really fell off. Prime example of "what pussy does to a mf".
>>78573483That face is creepy as hell.
>>78587350I hate western artists. They're all bpd freaks. Eastern style furries look better anyways.
>>78585900>Waga already knowsLmao, it's so over
>>78588006>Every illustration has a different art style NO GUYS SHE IS NOT TRACING! STOP NOTICING!!!
>>78573483What's his deal? I gave up on checking on him a while back because his shit was starting to just feel same-y. Why has he gone full retard now?
>>78587981>eastern artists>not completely mentally ill wrecks
>>78589207It's a different kind of mental illness. Western artists are always going on about retqrded drama like this.
>>78586152>AI ISN'T ART>HE TRACED AI!! OMGwhich way faggots?
>>78551548if you share your prompted art then people hate youif you share comissions, people like you
Not understanding hypocrisy and why it's bad are the lowest iq brownoids you can find.
>>78589456Nta, but for me, tracing is tracing, unless it was done for practice, don't do it. AI art is still slopped together assets that were just prompted, not created.
>>78589456both are truejust don't use ai
>>78588006>started blocking people calling them out >big artsts are jumping in on you tooFuckin LOOOOOOL imagine ruining your art career because you had to call out someone making an ai gen of something they commissioned
>>78588869pussy whipped
>>78582957> Holy fuck I'm glad I wasn't born into loving gay furry shit.I’m not so lucky but I surely wouldn’t dare openly be explicit like that, especially when dude was proudly in a fucking… no that’s just fucked up.>>78583304It’s so funny when even those kemoshota vtuber music group doesn’t make it too blatant. That guy had it coming
