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Author's google drive: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/17Md5_3haISkwIGpx70TI2UZyccOfrwEQPart 1: https://imgchest.com/p/n87wmka9x4xOut of date Part 2: https://imgchest.com/p/xny8lv2d4blOut of date Parts 3, 4: https://imgchest.com/p/a846gw6v7xjhttps://desuarchive.org/trash/thread/77991419/#78024979The Buried Aeon https://desuarchive.org/trash/thread/78437712/#78481962Meshelia https://desuarchive.org/trash/thread/78354864/#78368221False Vizier https://desuarchive.org/trash/thread/78639513/#78649488Blasphemous Machine https://desuarchive.org/trash/thread/78286943/#78290292S.A.R.A. https://desuarchive.org/trash/thread/78503473/#78532761Kari (Theoretical) https://desuarchive.org/trash/thread/78203680/#78215387https://desuarchive.org/trash/thread/78121974/#78159904Ideal of Humanity https://desuarchive.org/trash/thread/78245213/#78245851Fragment https://desuarchive.org/trash/thread/78314157/#78318147Twin Celestial Dragonlords https://desuarchive.org/trash/thread/78354864/#78380431https://desuarchive.org/trash/thread/78245213/#78246148Nimue https://desuarchive.org/trash/thread/78286943/#78305806Priscilla https://desuarchive.org/trash/thread/78314157/#78331469Epyon https://desuarchive.org/trash/thread/78314157/#78336446Vessel https://desuarchive.org/trash/thread/78354864/#78355692Nexus Oversoul https://desuarchive.org/trash/thread/78503473/#78524226Sparks (Companion) https://desuarchive.org/trash/thread/78595477/#78617539https://desuarchive.org/trash/thread/78387204/#78401383Ithidruel Silverstar https://desuarchive.org/trash/thread/78387204/#78402566An Tíorán Lonrach https://desuarchive.org/trash/thread/78387204/#78403639Airy/Anne https://desuarchive.org/trash/thread/78437712/#78442528Gazer Jellyfish Trap https://desuarchive.org/trash/thread/78437712/#78447216Kirina https://desuarchive.org/trash/thread/78437712/#78474687Helix https://desuarchive.org/trash/thread/78437712/#78475663
>>78704589Letum https://desuarchive.org/trash/thread/78639513/#78651375Frogbird https://desuarchive.org/trash/thread/78639513/#78686827Jane https://desuarchive.org/trash/thread/78639513/#78703271
>>78704603>>78704589(uploaded the wrong image)Few spelling errors corrected, also because I posted it after bump limit in last threadWicked Mother as patron, on a purity build, who's just a regular normal human you wouldn't mistake for anything elseUnless I use my blood to form whips but hey there's no need for that under most circumstances is there?Entirely designed around masochism turned up to 11 but not in the meek lay still and take it wayGave myself enough options to fight back, and I'm absolutely going to use itEspecially if the law comes unprepared or just your average realm monster isn't putting in their A-gameSomething I couldn't justify the Wicked Mother agreeing too, but the divine barrier power that protects against either magic or else physical with divine immunity, on someone with null aspect, could make them truly annoyingly impossible to hurt
>>78704513Cyoas for this feel?
Remember, you will never be a girl :)
>>78706502Thanks for the bump femboyanon
>>78705756https://imgchest.com/p/xny8l3gk54b
>>78704589>finished build>immediately start working on anotherguess i have to combine these with alternate form
>>78704603>Letum https://desuarchive.org/trash/thread/78639513/#78651375>Hermaphrodite>TrapI'm curious as to how you envision that looking, or are you just treating it as extra magic evasion?>>78704724Vice Versa doesn't stop you from taking vows. Though I'm not sure if there's anyone who cares given how restrictive they are currently.
>>78707941>Vice Versa doesn't stop you from taking vows.It doesn't? I could have sworn it did, given the name and just how beneficial it is to switch things around for certain builds I kind of assumed that it would switch things around, not let you stackThat said for my build specifically, there's not really any vows that would fit
>>78707941>I'm curious as to how you envision that lookingHermaphrodite is just that you have both sexes. Which is why I took the mutation to remove the vagina and another mutation to add a womb in the ass. So, he is basically a guy (but the mutations really don't help him looking like one)
>>78708430>I took [...] another mutation to add a womb in the assSo.... you know you don't have to take Hermaphrodite to do that? You can actually skip that first page option and just take Extra Organs for the other bits to get the same result much more cheaply. It's one of the many little loops holes and "cheats" in the cyoa. And don't feel bad about doing it, that's intended gameplay.https://desuarchive.org/trash/thread/68571397/#q68582036
>>78708471You may think that. But a hermaphrodite gets bonus from being male and female. There are a lot of points from sex compatibility
>>78708494You'd still get that even if you just used Extra Organs to get a womb. It doesn't matter how you become a hermaphrodite, just that you are one.
>>78708534>You'd still get that even if you just used Extra OrgansThe extra organs doesn't mention anything about becoming a hermaphrodite by doing that. I see your logic, but the cyoa is a system and I tried to follow the rules as written. I don't see another way to get both sex compatibility bonuses without picking the hermaphrodite option in the sex section on the first page.
>>78708578>The extra organs doesn't mention anything about becoming a hermaphrodite by doing that.Hermaphrodite by definition just means having both male and female reproductive organs. The options on the first page are just one way to change your sex. And rules as written according to the faq any hermaphrodite gets both compatibilities. Plus I linked you the post where the author said rules as intended there are multiple ways to get the same result with some being better than others.
>>78708624The sex options doesn't really care about your genitals. For example Male: "If you weren't you are a male now". That's it. After that it gives you a set of genitals matching your gender. You can now remove your penis, give yourself a vagina and you would still be a male. The choice you make at sex is what determines your sex compatibility. At least that's how I understand that section.That was a year ago, I don't know if he has changed his mind. And in that same post he says>"I'm not adding anything that allows you to choose the opposite Sex Compatibility."Even the wording of the post that support your theory can be dubious. "If you want to be a man who is mutated into a woman, you select Male and then take the appropriate Mutations"But since he says he is fine with you doing whatever you want to bypass his rules, then ok. I could have saved some points. It doesn't really matter. The build is fine as it is. If I add anything, it would be more powers just to have more mana, more magic to magitech stuff or something to torture my clones even more.
>>78704589Full list of Hierophant elemental buffs/debuffs by patron. (If a deity embodies a sphere associated with an element - see the end of page 40 - that element is buffed/debuffed.)OLD GODS>Wild EmpressBuffs: Air, Fire, Lightning, WaterDebuffs: Acid, Dark, Ice, Metal>Wicked MotherBuffs: Acid, Blood, FungiDebuffs: Air, Earth, Holy, Plant>Strict MasterBuffs: Acid, MetalDebuffs: Air, Dark, Earth, Fire, Fungi, Lightning, Water>Starving LordBuffs: Acid, Fungi, Metal, PlantDebuffs: Blood, Candy, Holy, Water>Deep ProphetBuffs: Dark, Ice, WaterDebuffs: Air, Dark, Earth, Fungi, Holy>Avarice KingBuffs: Blood, Fire, LightningDebuffs: Blood, Candy, Holy, Water>Arrogant StarBuffs: Earth, Fire, Holy, LightningDebuffs: Dark, Earth, Ice, Metal, Plant1/2
>>78709328NEW & OUTER GODS>Fair QueenBuffs: Dark, Ice, MetalDebuffs: Air, Earth, Fire, Holy, Lightning, Water>Devoted MaidBuffs: Candy, WaterDebuffs: Acid, Blood, Fire, Fungi, Lightning, Metal, Plant>Doting LoverBuffs: Air, HolyDebuffs: Acid, Air, Blood, Fungi, Holy>Bountiful LadyBuffs: Earth, PlantDebuffs: Acid, Blood, Earth, Fire, Fungi, Holy, Lightning>Curious OracleBuffs: Air, HolyDebuffs: Air, Dark, Holy, Ice, Water>Charity QueenBuffs: Blood, HolyDebuffs: Acid, Blood, Fire, Fungi, Lightning, Metal, Plant>Wisened VoidBuffs: Dark, Earth, FungiDebuffs: Acid, Dark, Ice, Metal, Water>Waiting JudgeBuffs: N/ADebuffs: Dark, Ice, MetalOUTER GODS>Silent MoonBuffs: N/ADebuffs: Acid, Blood, Fire, Fungi, Lightning>Mad QueenBuffs: N/ADebuffs: Acid, Air, Dark, Holy, Ice, Metal>Truth MachineBuffs: N/ADebuffs: Acid, Air, Earth, Fire, Fungi, Holy, Lightning, Metal, Plant, Water>Outer Gods have no spheres that correspond to elements>of the Old/New Gods' spheres, only Domestication, Knowledge, Mercy, Infatuation, Satiety, Mutation, and Integration do not map to an element>many gods both buff and debuff a given element2/2
>>78707192Wow there is plenty of opportunity to be a popular smug brat there indeed, thank you anon Gonna try a build later on today
>>78709328I'm going to headcanon that the deity buff overwrites the weakness. That way being a Hierophant of the Curious Oracle makes sense.
>>78709335Why do outer gods have opposed elements when they have no elements at all?
RememberYou will never be a girl :)
>>78710896Because they have no elements associated with them.
>>78711865Then how do they oppose any element?
>>78711888Their opposed deities have elements associated with them.
>>78712261Huh. Ok, that makes sense.
>>78709335Those inconsistencies should be evidence enough that either conflating Opposed Deities with Heirophant spherical opposition is incorrect, or Apotheosis needs to rework something in at least one part of this interaction.Although all we currently have is speculation and none of the Outer Gods have spheres that directly correspond to an Element, there are a few conclusions we can draw, such as the Silent Moon being associated with Holy because the Holy Spirit Patron Boon specifically enhances your Holy Powers, or the Waiting Judge being associated with Dark because the Dark Soul Patron Boon specifically enhances your Dark Powers.
>>78712555He probably is reworking it already Dude even warned that he was posting this new update prematurely and its not actually ready so a lot if shit is getting changed/fixed at the end of year
>>78709328>>78709335From these, max Hierophant buff is +800%, and best gods for each element areWicked Mother, Strict Master, or Starving Lord for AcidWild Empress, Deep Prophet, or Devoted Maid for WaterDeep Prophet or Fair Queen for IceWild Empress for AirWild Empress, Avarice King, or Arrogant Star for LightningWild Empress, Avarice King, or Arrogant Star for FireStrict Master, Starving Lord, or Fair Queen for MetalWizened Void for EarthArrogant Star or Charity Queen for HolyFair Queen for DarkStarving Lord or Bountiful Lady for PlantWicked Mother, Starving Lord, or Wizened Void for FungiWicked Mother for BloodDevoted Maid for CandyDeep Prophet & Wizened Void both cap at +750% DarkAvarice King & Charity Queen both cap at +750% BloodArrogant Star & Bountiful Lady both cap at +750% EarthDoting Lover & Curious Oracle both cap at +750% Air & Holy
>>78704589Ok so I have been slowly making a build, I still am not sure if it will be multiplayer or not as I feel that I would have too much shit to blacklist in the bestiary to end up with anybody. Anyway I am a bit confused about something, Nephilims can't have a patron, but they get divine boons and champion boons too, the description even says they have a personal shard of divinity or something like that, does that mean that I can take the religious classes and be my own Patron?
>>78704589The point balance in this seems way off. Is it meant to have so many redundant perks? It feels like the author keeps adding stuff without comparing it to what's already there.
>>78712939>*The point balance in this [i]s way off.There are an insane amount of options that basically only serve to give points and/or are practically duplicates. By options count, I estimate that about a fifth of the cyoa is pure bloat.
>>78712939>>78713005Hey look it's the guy who hates granularity crying again.
>>78712939I think it's actually intended, to a degree. Reduntant options make sense, they are different ways to get the same thing for different builds, and from what I see they usually vary in intensity and/or have drawbacks built in. Like the Youth Tatoo, it's cheaper than Eternal Youth (total 150 investment VS 100) with less Corruption gain, but has drawbacks built in, and can't be modified to remove corruption. Also reduntant options and different avenues to the same powers are kinda Apo's thing, all Apo cyoas have that, just look at Bleach or Naruto, or the old Monster Girl Isekai that seems to have been folded into this one.
>>78704513What are the best CYOAs that have come out this past year that aren't focused on being a girl, picking a new body, or futas?
>>78714554With criteria that narrow probably some genies or some gifts of faves.
>>78714554What's the point of a CYOA where you don't pick a new body?
>>78714554>>78714865The CYOA can include picking new bodily features so long as that isn't the focus of the entire CYOA
>>78714915DOTA, Dreemurr Doll Delivery, and Daughter Summoner are about customizing your waifus.Let There Be Kobolds got an update.The Witcher has a bonus lewd page.I guess you could always design a body in a lewd cyoa and then imagine how you would fare going on an adventure in a non-lewd cyoa.
>>78715174Much appreciated, I'll look into those
>>78714554This might sound random, but do you like lolis?
>>78713089Hey look it's the guy who loves crying "muh granularity!" again.
>>78715174dreemurr doll delivery got finished?
>>78715556yehttps://imgchest.com/p/vj4jg3p9e48
>>78712936I've been interpreting that as a no. You can't select anything that requires you to have a patron, but you can select things that force you to pick a patron (Angel, for one)"Req. Patron" and "You may not select a Patron" seem pretty clear imo. But do whatever if you're singleplayer.
>>78715435Why? Was there another loli avalance? Nta by the way.
>>78716188That makes sense. It does kill my Strict Master Valkyrie+Nephilim equipment destruction idea, though.
>>78716702equipment destruction?wondering now exactly what you had planned, sounds interesting
>>78716702Equipment destruction idea?
>>78716188It seemed plausible, with the whole theme of the race being "stolen divinity" and all, but I guess it's stretching it a bit. I am a bit confused by something else, Extra Transformations overwrite base transformations, so whatever patron you were supposed to have as an angel doesn't apply anymore, but what happens if you get another extra transformation that requires a Patron? What wins? Do you just get even more boons wihout a patron?It doesn't really matter for the build, but it is a bit confusing. I am not sure if I will make it multiplayer or not, I am keeping it possible for both for now, so I guess I will stay away from priest classes, they are not really what I wanted anyway. I was trying to go for something a bit strange, but it's gonna have to be very "in the future" because of how the cyoa works.
>>78716702>Strict Master Valkyrie+NephilimThat's exactly the strange situation I was talking about. Valkyrie requires a Patron, Nephilim prevents one, but they are both on the same "level" as Extra Transformations.I am also curios what equipment destruction idea is, none of those keywords seem to be connected to equipment in general.
>>78716895>but what happens if you get another extra transformation that requires a Patron?As has been said dozens of times, Apotheosis stated last year that when this happens you simply choose ONE patron out of any of the ones required by your races.
>>78716895FAQ on page 41 - nephilim's no patron overrides any race that requires a specific patron.
Is there a single good loli cyoa?I have yet to see one.
>>78717210make your own then
>>78717210You're just trying to bait people into posting loli CYOAs, aren't you? Tsk, tsk. We're not dumb enough to fall for that.
>>78717097This would work pretty well for my build, but I can't really find a good way to use it now. I will keep it "simple", the build is already a mess in too many other things. Now I just need to figure out a way to have both high and low Karma at the same time and I'm done.
>>78717282NTA but give me a premise and I will
>>78717398Loli NTR
>>78717468You just had to ruin it.
>>78716882>>78716887>>78716961Metal and Acid both have status effects that destroy equipment, Rust and Corrosion. Metal and Acid are already strong elements with few resistances so far in the old bestiary and current transformations. If you're already grabbing Energy effects for Cursed Touch, picking up Elementalism (Acid, Metal, Holy) and Clear Heart so you can Absorb all of those and turn all your native immunities into Divine would leave you more or less indestructible and you could use Heirophant for the damage boost and immunity to anything that causes mind control or ego death, so really there's no solution except slowly whittling you down with like Fire, Ice, or some other element, or just physically immobilizing you with gravity or the chain binding magics.I still think Valkyrie+Nephilim is busted as hell. You just can't be a Heirophant on top of that.I might revisit my build from last patch, where I went Dark Absorb True Elf to take advantage of the bonuses for Dark Weakness and then overwrite it with Absorption. I could pick Fair Lady as patron now and switch to a hybrid magic knight status build, or just go full magic with Heirophant trying to permafreeze.The issue is Angel combos are so strong right now, the stats they give are absolutely bonkers and you save so many points vs increasing them manually.
>>78717398Schools have been done, so maybe summer camp – maybe making a perfect summer camp for the lolis and pick cute and funny summer activities
>>78717490Be faster next time faggot
>>78717468>Hits pipe
>>78717520well you can always take living doll as alternative to angelliving doll (angel form) gets the same stat bonuses and if you go hybrid with another race you're virtually indistinguishable from the normal thingI do wonder something about equipment destruction, if you target someone's equipment with those statuses specifically does it bypass their immunity or not?Could be really interesting if it did bypass, actually worried about that myself which is why my own build effectively needs no items of any kind
>>78717398Isekai with a loli partyHalf waifu picker and half buy some isekai perks to enhance your body and gain powers, possibly some typical cheat power cliche somehow related to lolis>>78717539>>78717490He never said he would immediately accept the first reply so dunno why you two are treating this as a race
>>78717652>Isekai with a loli partyBest idea yet.
>>78717652>treating this as a raceI don't treat it as a race, it's just disgusting and shouldn't be brought up.
Thats assuming he will even do anything in first place These kind of leeches usually don't make content, thats why BTGOATs are the most numerous content creators, the ones who inherited the will of Moot (whoever this guy is)
>>78717468Don't tempt me, I might be contrary enough to actually do this.>>78717524Not a bad idea but I feel like summer camp is a little too close to school to be really interesting. Although I feel you're barking up the right tree.>>78717652>Isekai with a loli party>Half waifu pickerewTake out that bit and I might be able to do something here. Loli isekai fantasy builder?
>>78717815Good enough, I suggested waifu picker because its usually the easiest type of cyoa to make but a world creator cyoa is even better
>>78717849I hate waifu pickers precisely because they're lazy dogshit, I will never make one.
>>78717815>>78717892So there will be no companions? Most cyoas of the isekai/adventure kind have companions.
Now that people mentioned it... I haven't seen waifu pickers aside from Prisioneir Transfer being posted latelyAre them falling out of favor? I had a eldritch waifu picker idea shelved because I lost the files but I still have a copy of a early draft in my phone where I wrote a few entries including two lolis
>>78717970SlavePerfect bodyguard.
>>78717947No, instead there'll be a gaggle of evil loli dark lords you have to correct with your adult penisThats why you were isekai'd
>>78718023Oh yes the four horsewomen of the apocalypse (and you are the horse)
>>78716895>>78716990I acknowledge WoG, but that's just dumb.Alternate Form should just not touch your patron or boons. You have the same soul, the gods mostly care about your soul, why would transforming change anything in their eyes? A Nephilim is still a Nephilim when it transforms into a goblin, as far as the scorn of the gods is concerned.From a balance perspective it's not a serious problem. I recognize it's not perfect, but there's far worse intended cheese in this CYOA, so w/e.
>>78717638>well you can always take living doll as alternative to angelZombies also have that going for them, they copy even more stats, but I guess they have more drawbacks to work around, but also more evolutions.>actually worried about that myself which is why my own build effectively needs no items of any kindPersonally I tend to make a build as self reliant as possible in any cyoa, not just this one. No matter how many safeguards the cyoa tells me there are on items, I just feel uncomfortable if half of my power is dependent on an external object. Nta by the way.
>>78717970Personally I like them still, it doesn't really matter if they are considered lazy, they are still a classic. As long as the waifus are good then I'm good. I gues that's the main problem tho, you have nothing else to "distract" the player with, if the waifus suck then the whole cyoa sucks, instead if they are just a part of a whole the rest is salvageable.>>78718023That's a new one. It's interesting but does somewhat lower the chances of the lolis being good.
>>78718213Well of course they won't be good, if they were good they wouldn't be evil
>>78718247>no yinyang lolijust my luck man...
>>78718247That's... not what I meant but fair enough.
>>78707192Guys, what do you call a Eta always on Sleep Mode?A Naptop model
>>78717520>the stats they give are absolutely bonkers and you save so many points vs increasing them manuallyStat points are way overpriced. It would take a Human over 1000 points to get the stats of a Dark Elf. 1400 for a proper Elf. That's mad.
>>78718089same here, I also tend to build as many safeguards into my powers as I canin tentacle realm I did go out of my way to avoid magical manipulation since it seems to be able to suppress a lot
>>78718373Actually, since I already have my sheets open, here's a list of all the prices of each race's statline if you were starting from the bottom in every stat.Human - 1800pFallen Human - 1800pElf - 3100pDark Elf - 2850pGoblin - 2100pBeastkin - 2150pMonsterkin - 2150pTentaclekin - 2100pAviankin - 2200pDragonkin - 2700pKobold - 2250pArthropodkin - 2500pAlraune - 2500pMyconid - 2300pFairy - 2700pTentacle Monster - 2150pSuccubus - 2450pAngel - 4250pElemental - 3050pSlime - 1950pCandy - 2400pLiving Statue - 2600pHomunculus - 3250pAutomaton - 3100pGazer - 2550pIt's not a perfect "how many points to get from A to B" because you get 50 points for each stat you drop, instead of whatever value it costs to increase. But still. Those sure are some numbers.
>>78718373It really feels like the intended way to get stronger is simply to be a different race. With so many race options and evolutions/fusions you are clearly discouraged from being a "pure" human, being anything else is preferable, but I guess that's kinda the point. Stats are exponential tho, so maybe that's why they are so expensive.
>>78717815If summer camp is too close to school, then amp up the outdoorsy aspect and loli ship/plane wreck? Loli of the Flies? Lolison Crusoe?
>>78718495there's also a few transformations that are better than raw stats might suggest, such as Automaton who's good stats are incredibly focused so if you take a second race to make up for the mental stats you end up with something ridiculously powerfulThere's a reason after all valkyrie is so popular, you functionally end up with perfect stats in everything
>>78718537>amp up the outdoorsy aspectIsekai survival with lolis.
>>78704589Apo casually dropping that he has a 6 inch wide dick.Wide.I'd assume we were measuring circumference like a normal person, but it specifies diameter in the girthy section just above.If I take this 6 times does my dick vanish?
>>78718635You become Mr. Needlestick
>>78717970They have a few major problems. The most obvious one is that since they're relatively easier to do, the quality floor is lower and more of them suck. That's also the least important problem. The others are structural.The more important one is that mechanically, they typically entail picking one or a small number of options with no real interplay, so as CYOAs they're limited. This also means that for it to be good, your writing needs to be absolutely top notch. You need your text blurb to make people fall in love with a character right away, but without anything that turns them off. You also need to make them short enough that people don't feel like they're wasting their time in it while browsing through to find the one they like. And ideally you need to write and present them in such a way that the details can be more or less guessed at a glance, yet they present an engaging (and erotic) narrative.Put simply, there's a lot more limitations and skill hurdles to reach the level of quality that mere effort can achieve in power fantasy CYOAs.
>>78718537>>78718604Space lolis surviving on a mysterious planet
>>78718601Yeah, the only way to possibly get better stats than Automaton Angel Homunculus is if there were 3 races just as good that also lined up a perfect stat. (There aren't)All three line up excellent stats in 3 slots so you get perfect everywhere else. It's kinda bonkers.Valkyrie Nephilim Master Race or smth.
>>78718537>>78718697I think a CYOA could be made which allows you to be stranded in a variety of settings with lolis. Could also adapt to make you a loli or an adult. Being the only adult has a certain appeal, but so being the loli chieftain of the loli tribe
>>78718635You gain an antimatter penis. Survival not guaranteed.
>>78718735>>78718495The problem with a CYOA that's "solvable" is that once it's "solved", a whole lot of options just kind of suck in comparison. And it had been solved for quite a while now.
>>78718635Doing the math (the dick math) you can retain a normal dick girth to length ratio (yeah I looked that up, my CIA agent is concerned, but it turns out there are a lot of scientific studies on the matter) by taking Small 8 times and narrow 2 times, which lets you manage extra Size Increase mutations.If you were already happily taking Size Increase 12 times, I salute you. This advice is not for you. Also, your dick is somewhere around 18 feet long and 4.5 feet wide. Good luck!
>>78718735In my case Valkyire is actually a detriment from what I can tell of how the system works. Valkyiries are 100% female, so you can't be a guy with that.>>78718831In this case it's not really that much of a problem, since most players are not trying to "solve" the cyoa. NSFW cyoas have less of a problem with this, after all it doesn't matter how optimal a build is the player will not go for it if it's not your fetish. Nephilim/Valkyrie undoubtedly makes you really strong, but being strong is not the goal for everyone here.
>>78718831I mean a lot of people still pick sub-optimal choices out of flavorI went with regular human despite objectively it being just about the worst choice imaginable A lot of people also don't want angel transformation to avoid being that closely tied to a patronIf anything what got my attention as a possible solved combination would be combining machina doll with nanomorph since it gets you extremely high stats with no patron ties while also due to nanomorph's unique ability being able to change your looks to be as mundane or outlandish as you could imagineEven infertility can be adjusted with some magic or powers
>>78718968You are incorrect on that front - the sex makeup of races doesn't matter, except maybe for fitting in. It's just worldbuilding fluff and doesn't have a mechanical effect like locking you out of a race choice.
>>78718968>doesn't matter how optimal a build is the player will not go for it if it's not your fetish.This is true, but it's far more true with "comfy" CYOA. This one describes a pretty fucked world. No matter how hot some of the submissive options are, I wouldn't want to be powerless here.(Although the addition of the save crystals kinda changes that from the last time I played through this.)
>>78719017Oh, that changes a lot of things, I may have to rethink my whole build now. I have so many ideas for a different build that didn't work just because of that. Maybe it should be explained somwhere in the cyoa, or made more clear.
>>78719083Judging by past builds it's pretty common for uber-subs to embrace the fact they'll fall into a tentacle pit forever.
>>78719090if you're the only male valkyrie around that would make you stand out a fair bit, hope you like attention
>>78719083I think it still holds true enough in this one too. Of course in a comfy cyoa you can go for flavour without consequences and indulge in your fetishes, but in this case I still think it's not a problem. There is a difference between being able to defend yourself and "ultimate god of optimization", you can strike a good balance. The cyoa also gives a lot of safeguards, immunities are given often so you can choose how you want to be fucked up and shore up the rest, the Save Crystal gives a cool universal reset option free for everyone as a get out of jail free card, the races may not be all equal but they do have things they are really good at. Also half the patrons offer very good immunities, and you don't even need to worship them for it, there are plenty of ways to "steal" those blessings.Most people will not wan to fuck with the rulers of the world and are just content playing around. That is most people, I am not most people.
>>78719212there's also multiplayer, but even then you know what you're signing up for I don't mind not being a ruler of the world myself and like you said lots of ways to get immunity to things you don't like
>>78719137I am pretty sure being a Nephilim already would make me stand out a lot in general, or being any of the angelic evolutions for that matter since most of them are classified as "almost a myth". I do like a good hero journey tho, so I will not start out as that, by the point the transformation completes I should be more used to the world in general.
>>78719343how long a transformation are we talking?Also for the people doing heroes journeys, seems to be catching on for some purity builds to take the companionship vows for the purpose of teaming up with other anons
>>78719298Multiplayer is a whole new can of worms, but as you said you know what you sign up for, trying to trample on other people's fun is just dumb. If you wanna rule the world just don't play multiplayer, it's that easy. I also don't want to rule the world, I just want to be strong, which is why I am considering multiplayer as it could have some fun implications. I am sure my build isn't optimized, I'm not good at maximum efficiency, I am better at finding exploits and I am actively trying to avoid that right now. I just pick what I think is cool, and try to scrounge up enough points to afford all that stuff.
>>78719017My interpretation is that everything in a Race's white text that connects to a Mutation/Power/Curse is specifically from those mutations/powers/curses, and put there for flavor purposes. The text describes an example of the race, and all non-player examples have ALL of the listed Mutations, Powers, and Curses.For example, Angels being physically incapable of disobedience? That comes from the Compulsory Contract curse. Homunculi being infertile? That comes from the Infertility/Impotence mutation.You can't get free points by applying negative mutations to a race that already has them as built in features, so if applying those mutations is optional then it must be that you don't have those features without the negative mutations. Similar for positives. Spending points on a positive mutation that's already "built in" would be asinine, so the correct assumption is that it's not actually built in.
>>78719679I think that works for the most part, but there are a couple of races with powers that don't line up with purchases, or are modified from how the purchase normally works. Like Fallen Human and Dark Elf being immune to forced mutations from Corruption, or Celestial's innate twinning working differently than MIE.
>>78719719>>78719679not to mention automatons getting lightning absorption separate from primordial heart
>>78719679My own interpretation is that curses/mutations can and do amplify existing traits described in the white text, but there's really no definitive way to treat it.
>>78719542>how long a transformation are we talking?Not sure yet, I was working with maximum points in mind and then scaling down from there, looking at the point gains I may not need to go decades and the difference between months and years is not that much so I will probably end up somewhere along that line. Months is probably more manageable.>>78719542>take the companionship vows for the purpose of teaming up with other anonsI didn't think about that option, I was only thinking about the vows affecting NPCs, targeting another anon is definitely more interesting (especially with the current lack of premade companions), and I was planning to take vows anyways. Maybe I should start looking at the other builds for ideas on that front. I also had a funny idea if going multiplayer, starting as Prisoner in some ruin in the middle of nowhere, opening up the possibility of being rescued before my time limit is up. That would depend on the whim of the dice tho, if too much time passes it will be less the rescue of a perspective hero and more the unsealing of an ancient evil.
>>78719759>>78719719That's why I specified everything that overlaps with a mutation, but I do think the Automaton one is probably an oversight. Shit like that happens a LOT in this CYOA.
>>78719773That makes even less sense though because it would be suggesting that either every member of each of the races has some kind of souped up version of every defining feature, or that you are encouraged to be an even more extreme example of the race than normal. Neither really makes much sense.
>>78718968>>78718992Yes, but if you're taking choices that you know are worse by just ignoring the better ones to get to the horny bits, that undermines the CYOA aspect and takes some of the fun out of it
>>78719916Primordial Heart is a new addition to the CYOA in 1.7 and Elementals at least have had elemental absorption for ages. I don't think it's an oversight and there's no reason they'd lose their innate absorption between updates just because a similar mutation was introduced, ditto with Automatons.Then again, who knows what Apo is thinking sometimes.
>>78720070>that undermines the CYOA aspectNo? It's actually even more of a choice, you actively choose to be worse, it's your choice.
