/Femdom/ - Femdom GeneralBeing Owned is a Good Thing Edition>TQ (Dommes)Any particular thing you'd want to do to brandish who your sub belongs to so none in public get the wrong idea?>TA (Subs)Remember thy proper place is to look up to her, whether a teacher to fix your dumb ass, a goddess to revere, big sis to trust as nothing goes wrong, or whatever dynamic she wants from you.>Previous Thread:https://desuarchive.org/trash/thread/79143271
I drew this thing. Thoughts?
>>79309632TQHow could you tell that he is below my clothes? Yes, he's my servant and fashion accessory at the same time, he moves around to help me relax
I'm looking for the anon that wanted to lick grime off of my boots during the last thread, reply here cutie
>>79309890Yes, Goddess?
>>79309926Good boy, but we don't need the toys, you'll throw them out after the first heel goes inside your cock
>>79309988God, the idea of you penetrating my cock with your heel is such a powerful symbol of your superiority over me. Stomping and stabbing at my pride no different than the ground you trample on.
>>79310064I don't need the sofa when your back is available.
>>79310136Ofcourse, i must get used to your full weight on all parts of my body. I am your furniture, afterall
>>79310202I love getting new servants, they do what I want without question, I change what they do everyday so they don't get bored
>>79309736My domme on the top
>>79310528For you
>p10grim start
Good night /femdom/, hope you all have comfy dreams of domination and can make the most of tomorrow to be the better sub or domme. May it be that in the future that for each domme a sub, and each sub a domme. Long Live the matriarchy!>Subs WILL be dominated and they WILL be happy
>>79310753This would break me
you don't find any of that attractive and wouldn't fall for her right
>>79314293I would let her cuck me any time
>>79309686i would add prostate x ray view
>>79314293No woman says "I want a nerdy gamer bf" and actually means because no woman actually wants that, so no I wouldn't
>>79309632>Any particular thing you'd want to do to brandish who your sub belongs to so none in public get the wrong idea?Public stuff makes me cringe ngl>>79314293Mood lol>>79309686Goes hard
>>79317546>Mood lolwdym, I think you only fit like one or two of those? That death note girl, discord, maybe wanting a nerdy bfalso watch csm then you'll know what's the fuss about makima and reze
>>79314293I don't see the red fla>league of legends and robloxNow I feel obligated for the purpose of redemption. She can let her claws dig deep into my soul so long as I can show her life's worth living and speedrunning the 41% category of failed lichdom is not it (especially the 2nd time).
>>79317546>Goes hardThank you
>>79317645Tomie is better than csm girls sry>>79317980Yw
>>79317998wtf i that, Tomie? And you can't know if you haven't touched csmAlso, pic rel is you? Would work on me definitely
>>79318018Hahaha wtf is that vid? But sure me though I love yappy guys when they’re socially capable.>not knowing TomieOver
>>79318054you should get that sort of blouse/shirt for xmass>TomieIs she some femdom icon?! I didn't know about that! I think noone here talks about it! Is she a femme fatale? >love yappy guys when they’re socially capable.I can yap about my interests but at some point I hope a girl silences me with a kis and forces my head down between her legs and starts lecturing me
>>79318086>you should get that sort of blouse/shirt for xmassBet. Will look at it. These videos give me so much social anxiety I hate public stuff so much>Is she some femdom icon?! I didn't know about that! I think noone here talks about it! Is she a femme fatale?She’s very popular with the woman manipulator crowd the pic is about which is a lot of my friend groupShe’s a paranormal phenomenon where she essentially goes around and magically charms every man into falling in love her with which inevitably ends with lots of murder including her own. She then regenerates from each remain causing an endless Tomie cycle who all go on to manipulate more men>I can yap about my interests but at some point I hope a girl silences me with a kis and forces my head down between her legs and starts lecturing meI am sure a stranger will do this to you at some point! Keep on yapping!
>>79318187>These videos give me so much social anxiety I hate public stuff so muchObviously don't give footjobs in public! In public it's just dirty talk and teasing to make him fluster and look embarassed. They are for later. If he's a good boy he gets a footjob. If he's a bad boy he gets a footjob, but with spiked boots. >the woman manipulator crowd the pic is about which is a lot of my friend groupuhh are there any Europeans in there??>an endless Tomie cycle who all go on to manipulate more menokay this sound like femdom horror, maybe I'll watch/read it (after you watch csm)>I am sure a stranger will do this to you at some point! Not a stranger and not in public! A loving woman who really wants to fuck and just can't wait any longer until I finish yapping! This is a wholesome romantic fantasy!I heard men complain about their tongue and neck hurting after just a few minutes of cunnilingus, and how some women get so wet when orgasming that the man chokes. Makes me want to give oral even more.
>>79318264>If he's a bad boy he gets a footjob, but with spiked bootsShould reverse that>uhh are there any Europeans in there??No but I have a friend visiting Europe soon!>okay this sound like femdom horror, maybe I'll watch/read it (after you watch csm)In between messages I read all of it which means you should start reading it rn>how some women get so wet when orgasming that the man chokes.Men should be choking during sex regardless
>>79318373>Should reverse thatWhy?! I am a good boy and I would like to feel your soft skin or at least the soft fabric of your pantyhose, not be in tremendous pain from the rough leather and spikes! >No but I have a friend visiting Europe soon!...is she hot?>Men should be choking during sex regardlessAgree but I'd prefer the soft choking of female hands on my veins than literally waterboarding. I heard it can feel like an amazing bliss when your brain is a bit lacking in oxygen- as long as you manage to cum before passing out.
>try to read csm>Have the same revulsion I had with BnHAYeah, I don't think I can stomach nu-shounen. Like, Bleach and Naruto aren't the epitome of shounen or were they well written but they were at least alright for what they are meanwhile this shit is ass
>>79318693Csm is mostly carried by the hot female characters. Dunno about that other thing, I've never watched/read it even though it has pic rel and she looks like my ideal woman
>>79318906I'll probably give CSM another shot but something about newer shounen just rubs me the wrong, it doesn't hit the same. Honestly it feels like that since the mid 2010's. My hero is just dogshit outside of the girls, unironically
>>79318976Are you the doll? I am sure there's a girl who turns people into dolls in csm.
>>79319061Nyes, it's me
>>79318906>I've never watched/read it even though it has pic rel and she looks like my ideal womanThat's the problem.
>>79318018fuck that vid id so hot
>>79318018>>79318086source pls
God I love Signalis girls
>>79318693It's like Tokyo Ghoul but shittier but the femdom is good and canon.
>>79319061Santa Claus is great.
>>79319463Upper Case Parsee? Is that anime even good for people in their twenties?
>>79321495The masses yearn to be subjugated and controlled. Doms don't exist but she's the one we deserve.Overall kind of mediocre manga and worse anime.
>>79321633too evil for me, just as makima, but i know some girls like her vibes
>>79321999Quanxi is the loving femdom candidate but she's gay if that poses a problem.
>>79322086Anon Quanxi is anything but gentle with boys! She will beat you up and cuck you and be gentle with your gf. Not for me, but some guys like that.I'd like one romantic relationship with Reze, please!
>>79322174>She will beat you up and cuck you and be gentle with your gf.I'm okay with that but I'd need a girlfriend to begin with or she's not gonna be interested at all.
>>79322174im okay with my future gf fucking other girls :) esp if she dominates
>>79322399I'd like my gf to be completely satisfied with, and loyal to me. I don't want her groped by another girl or getting fingered or fucked with a strapon and cumming by another girl. It would make me feel jealous and inadequate.
>>79322458dont you want to be dominated by women? wouldnt you find it hot if ur gfs female lover made you lick her fingers clean after she made your girl cum with them? wouldnt u want to eat out ur gf while she kisses her lesbian lover?girls need other girls to function correctly imo so some lesbian/bi stuff is ok
>>79321639>Is that anime even good for people in their twenties?Eh, i dunno. Probably not? I watched not too much of it, though. Only till Season 3, maybe. It was a bit of a slop.
>>79322458imagine your gf being kissed by you and her lesbian freind one kiss after the other
>>79322549>>79322613No! This is infidelity! I will inevitably feel jealous and left out at some point! It will break my heart if she ever finds the girl superior to me in some way!>>793225942 seasons is a lot...
>>79318438>I would like to feel your soft skin or at least the soft fabric of your pantyhose, not be in tremendous pain from the rough leather and spikes!Because boots are hot????Also looking into cosplaying Magik and buying a new pair of boots. Should probably start running them by the boot fetishists I know >...is she hot?If you like Asians then sure>Agree but I'd prefer the soft choking of female hands on my veins than literally waterboardingSo don’t get wet with you… got it…>>79321495Lowkey love TG so I’m almost swayed>>79322458GOOD
>>79314118I knew you would love it.
my neck still hurts... also speedrunning is fun wtf
>>79323276No it isn't, bugs are fun but not at that speed.
>>79323169>Because boots are hot????They are but not as pleasurable as your feet! I can kiss your boots, but please take them off for footjobs, at least the initial one, the one that pops my cherry... I'd like that to be a less painful experience. Getting overstimulated by rough boots and painfully cumming the first time a girl touches me would be humiliating. >Also looking into cosplaying Magik and buying a new pair of boots. Should probably start running them by the boot fetishists I know The boots on the girl on your pic look amazing, 10/10>So don’t get wet with you… got it…Do girls get THAT wet? I thought squirting was stupid porn logic. I mean, if it comes natural to you from horniness, I will drink it even if I choke. Making a girl wet and horny is one of my biggest fantasies.>GOODGood what? That I want a loyal gf or that I will feel inadequate?
>>79322742>This is infidelityits not infidelity if its 2 girls
>>79322742
hot?
>>79328802yes...
>>79328802Me on the right
Imagine your domme forcefully wringing you dry even as you scream in pain hoping for respite.
>>79331427You would pass out
I still haven't gotten to moments with her in Tougen AnkiGlad to know yanderes are back though, too many mangaka try to appeal to normalfags
>>79331897You would love to cuddle with her after she carries you around.
why do we love cuckolding so much
>>79332283You do because you haven't found a good tpe domme
In an ideal world, us moids would be kept in cages like this that could be teleported wherever our female owners want.
>>79332908>Closes the door on themOops
>>79332143Honestly? Yeah
>>79333262You seem to me like you would beg to get pegged, right? By her, no less
>>79333315I would definitely try it at least once
>>79333497Your first time with her will be unforgettable, how would you serve her after that?
>>79331537That is part of the idea, that she wants to indulge in non-stop november and making a mess out of me in the process. And by the time I'd come back to consciousness, I'd only be asking for more.Good night /femdom/, hope you all have comfy dreams of domination and can make the most of tomorrow to be the better sub or domme. May it be that in the future that for each domme a sub, and each sub a domme. Long Live the matriarchy!>Subs WILL be dominated and they WILL be happy
>>79309632Live
>>79335490bump
>>79333525I suppose eating her out?
>check """femdom""" thread>cuckoldry, castration, and nothing else>again
>>79309632Sex
>>79309632>>79335490It's easy to look up to your dom when they're so much larger than you. I want to pleasure a big woman and get rewarded so bad.
>>79340281Too tame for you?
us
>>79340281Be the change you want to see
>>79345776Did you know that boys should ejaculate every 72 hours or excess of stored cum begins to be reabsorbed into the body? How lame!
>>79345830I knew that, but i thought it was much more than 72.
>someone said i had an adult woman fetish>despite being only like 2-3 years older than mewew>>79323345I mostly like it because i like learning how the games tick and the way you break them
>>79345898I wish! There should be a procedure that makes it accumulate indefinitely. Or maybe acumulate for months and then your balls burst. Cause right now, the desperation is purely psychological. It's not like your sub will walk around with an enlarged, heavy, uncomfortable, blue balls for weeks. That would be amazing, don't you think?
>>79345830i feel the need to start playing arround with sounding again...
>>79345830pic would be 10x better without feminization bsboys deserve the right of pee hole stimulation
>>79343545>tfw no elf girl to punch my balls for touching her ears
>>79346098...how is he feminized? His body is masculine, his hair is to his neck.
>>79346165clearly girly hairstyle, colored hair plus hair ornaments plus fluffy wrist bandstwinks have to right to be male twinks not forced girls
>>79346264I wish women were into twinks but they are into fatties, gym rats or trannies
God I need this woman to hurl slurs at me. I need her to call me a dyke. Can you imagine how homophobic and specific she could get with her insults. Hhhh. >>79309686I think strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme power can only be derived via mandate from the dommes not some farcical aquatic ceremony.
>>79346330>Were into twinksNigger what? Women are more into twinks than regular men, gym rats and trannies combined not to mention most despise trannies anyway
>>79346331Who is she? ...are you a dyke?
>>79346354Lute's a secondary antagonist in Hazbin Hotel. She calls a lesbian couple disgusting and sinful in the show so there's a joke in the community that she's homophobic.>are you a dyke?Hey unless you're a mean girl about to top me you can't ask that!
>>79346330bro what?? zoomer girl love twinks ofc diffrent types of women like diffrent things but as a twink you could score probably 90% of art hoes and goth chicksprobably many normie girls tooofc there are women that like typical masculine large frame or muscles some like chubby guys if they are really big buy in 2025 if u are a twink with cute face ur getting girls ez>>79346349as anon said most women dont like trannies unless they themself are not like gender confused bi bitchesbtw polish anon want some choclate girl pics? i have been chatting with this one lady and she send me some softcore of her
>>79346331>Supreme power can only be derived via mandate from the dommesI like the way you think.Funnilly enough, a comment I got elsewhere was something like:"Any woman who can pull that out of his ass shall be Queen!"
>>79346515>Hey unless you're a mean girl about to top me you can't ask that!Don't you have a husband? You can't shlick to women, he'l feel insecure and inadequate!
>>79346573I thought u were a twink, are you scoring? Are you winning, son? I don't want YOUR intimate pictures, keep thhem to yourself! Chocolate girls do tend to have amazing bodies, I would not discriminate.
>>79346829>I thought u were a twinkim not tho...im 180cm id say typically masculine built, i wish i was a twink sometimes i mentioned here that i live close to an art school and im sure id score some art girls...the black one i met randomly online if u can belive that lmao shame shes not in EU tho
>>79346829besides arent u a twink?? i thought u are a thin lanklet also how theraphy got any psych ward girl connections?
>>79346903then starve yourself until you can become a hoe to an art girlAlso imagine being their model. Like, I bet they have drawing of humans classes, and you could pose for them naked while their bite their pencils and lick their lips staring at you!
>>79324129>Getting overstimulated by rough boots and painfully cumming the first time a girl touches me would be humiliating.Oh yeah forgot you’re a virgin>I thought squirting was stupid porn logicWet doesn’t inherently imply squirting >loyal gfYes!>>79345933Glad you’re done being a creep>>79346330>fatties, gym rats or tranniesWhat an interesting trio
>>79346966I'm not a creep... But it's still odd hearing the "adult woman fetish" thing from someone that isn't a zoomer
>>79346966Tomie posting gives sigma female vibes>Oh yeah forgot you’re a virginI am saving myself for a girl like you. I hope my future wife will appreciate that I have never tasted or experienced another person so she can freely shape my sexuality.>Wet doesn’t inherently imply squirting If it's my wife's fluids, I hope my love for her is such I learn to enjoy it and swallow every time.>What an interesting trioYou're into fatties, right?
>>79346966>Glad you're done being a creepDid you finally get schizo no.2 to stop being completely weird?
>>79346961>you could pose for them naked while their bite their pencils and lick their lips staring at you!well it probably happens on special occassions but its a hot ideadesu i bet many of them are man hating dykes even if they might like twink bodies they probably are blinded by hate
>>79347031Almost like language is universal >>79347058>sigma femaleShe’s basically the girl equivalent to Bateman yeah>I hope my future wife will appreciate that I have never tasted or experienced another person so she can freely shape my sexuality.I hope she hates you and beats you>If it's my wife's fluids, I hope my love for her is such I learn to enjoy it and swallow every time.Considering your obsession I wouldn’t be shocked if it’s easy >You're into fatties, right?Haha yeah. I like a good gym bro too
>>79347150If they are hateful they should release it all on me by bullying and kicking and slapping and scratching me until they realize they are attracted to me and then raping me>>79347153>I hope she hates you and beats youThank you, hatefucking is on my fantasy list. I'd have you for that though <3>Considering your obsession I wouldn’t be shocked if it’s easy W-what obsession?! I hope you meant my romantic nature. I'd also like to eat out my gf regularly but that's normal!
>>79347153>Almost like language is universalAdult woman fetish is a real term? Thats as retarded sounding as "pickme"
>>79347127I got him to stop child posting so I did something >>79347210Well no but considering Doll speaks only online I imagine meme speak is common>>79347206>I'd have you for that though <3Noted>obsessionYou definitely bring up head a lot no?
>>79347206theres sexy bullying and theres fake accustion of sexual assault you are throwing a coin with some girls
>>79347314There is literally nothing outside for me! Well, occult/paranormal stuff is an exception but still>>79347210I don't care what anyone says I will die in the hill that uses pickme in any genuine manner should go kill themselves
Okay I am too tired, good night.>>79347314>You definitely bring up head a lot no?It's a femdom thread, and I like to imagine making a woman cum selflessly!>>79347315you didnt answer me btwdo you flirt with women? Have you ever had a gf, or some one-night stands, or other such relationship? I've always been isolating myself due to depression.
>>79346776I got like 80 minutes until he comes home that's plenty of time to masturbate to fiction genocidal dommes. He'll be none the wiser. >I've already been waiting all day to watch the finale with him>how much more should I sacrifice
>>79347486why masturbate alone when you can masturbate with his head while watching the finale and fantasizing about the girls in it
>>79347546Cause I got like 80 minutes until he gets home did you even read what I wrote?
>>79347599Girls are so angry when they want to cum... you know your husband best, if i had a gf I'd like to be included.
>>79347430>you didnt answer me btwoh sorry >flirt yes occasionally but not like im super succesful last girl i tried with was summer 2024 eh didnt work out sadly 2 meeting or something like that shame she was super tiny like 155cm skinny artsy girl, i started talking to her cause i noticed she had a t shirt, no bra and pierced nips which looked so fucking hot...i tried e dating last year too but man its so hard to build any relation online but some girls are so damn funny desu my tips for flirting is to have fun with it try to make them laugh while sneaking in that they look pretty etc.i did have a first kiss but i didnt really have a gf it was all what id call a "situationship", still a virgin tho>I've always been isolating myself due to depressiongirls love tall guys and ur skinny too right?you do skin care? if not girls like it too :)desu id love to have a long term gf i dont want to have sex with random girls i want a commited girl i can trust and worshipp her body.its so hard to get a long term relation lookign at most of my male friends their gfs tend to fade away not long after i see them together for the first time, zoomer grils are not great a dating
>>79347650you're acting like I'm a moid who can only cum once a fortnight
bump
>tries to give praise on top of knife
>>79352303
>>79352303>>79352317the jews made early 2000s goths sexy to force it onto poor zoomer boys!
>>79352665>Jewish goth girlsDon't even get me started on Winona Ryder. Literally my lifelong dream girl.
>>79352752literally same i loved her in beetlejuice and heathers
>>79340281Cuckoldry is based but castration is cringe
Imagine your domme waking you up with her hands around your throat, just applying a little bit of pressure so you can feel where she is.
>>79347872This is so unfair...
>>79347872>>79347710I don't like infidelity but I like to imagine being owned by a 'lesbian' couple and getting dominated by both of them. Dunno if they'd like to use my dick or just bully and abuse me and have me kiss their feet and lick their pussies and maybe let me masturbate when they are fucking. That would not be romantic in any way though and it wouldnt be cheating, i'd just be a toy for them
>>79360344polish anon if thats ui got a job today until february
>>79335490I wish that was me...>>79351544I am strongly tempted to, but before I try I get the overwhelming feeling that I would be killed on sight the moment I uttered something. Good evening, Parsee!>>79360344Based and yuri indeed is not cucking and never will be. It is simply celebrating pure love!
>Elysia going to be in ZZZ nowPFTAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH I WON AHAAHAHAHAHAHA
>>79362752its overhave you actually started working? normally they like to make you wait to sign a contract at the start of the month
>>79363200if you dont like penetration then your gf should get deflowered by a woman's strap-on while you get 4 feet to lick- deal?
>>79364939signed today at 10 starting tommorow at 5 in the morning cold and dark mornings best time to get really depressedi met a cool guy about my age overall ppl seemed ok
>>79365174Is it retail? At the workplace I am applying for it's either old people or young men. btw group therapy was okay but i didnt learn much. Yes I hate this time of the year, the best way for me to improve my mood is to go cycling or walking in nature but it's hard when its -4 C, rain with snow, ice on the forest paths, and dark for 18 hours a day.
>>79364967Deal! That sounds perfect to me actually, it's easy to give up that small part of a relationship for the boon of cherishing my loved one having her first experience being handled by another woman! Really I prefer to lick her feet anyways if given the option, and I suppose licking the feet of her yuri-friend is also an appropriate repayment!
>>79365258physical labour warehouse,how were the people in the group tho? any girls?desu winter gets worse the older i get
>>79366946Her smugness mocks me...
sex gifs
Friendly bump!
>plap plap plap plap>moan of female pleasureSounds I hear from my domme while I'm tied up under her bed
How is this thread up still after so many hours? bump, bump!
I'm trying to find an old femdom doujin, the protag is in school and the setting is something like everyone has an S or M rank (I think it was like E-S) and despite looking like an S he was an M, and he hooks up with the teacher who turned out to be an S. I've tried lots of standard tag combinations but ultimately it's too vanilla and I can't remember how old it is so I've checked through hundreds of covers already without luck. any ideas?
>>79384261this thread is so over, idk why i even come here anymore
>>79384287Here you go, anon of culture
>>79384489Yeah this was it, I just found it a second ago worth spending 60 mins mindlessly scrolling femdom covers. Thanks.
What kind of woman self inserts as a futa?
>>79384413Combining hypnosis and feet is the peak of unfairness...but I think this is a bad activity dip that will correct down the line, it's happened a few times before where things were ultra dead then sprung back to life. Maybe this dry spell is a little longer than usual though.>>79384901Very intimidating ones.
Girls cuck me
>>79384937Therefore I shall hypnotize you
>>79351544this could be us https://files.catbox.moe/gy4731.mp4
>>79388097Honestly - can be uk too, for all i know.
>>79388510Hello, ma'am! What is the price of doing pic rel to You? Is it the death penalty? Maybe Utena could do it...
>>79388560>>79388510i wish girls would start doing plastic surgery on ears instead of fake tits and bbl
>>79388560>What is the price of doing pic rel to You? Death! I'll take payment first, thanks>>79389610There's actually not-so-uncommon mutation that gives you elf ears.
>>79390156>There's actually not-so-uncommon mutation that gives you elf ears.do you...do you have it?if so do you want to have kids together?
>>79390224>do you...do you have it?Lets just say - without me proving it - thread will never be 100% sure of that, regardless of what i'll say!>if so do you want to have kids together?Wow, good idea, yea, lets fuck!
>>79390300>Wow, good idea, yea, lets fuck!whoa but like no ring...not even a date first?
>>79390300fav breeding postion?
>>79388510It could be anywhere you want it to be. Suits like that travel surprisingly wellOr so I have heard.
she probably wouldnt be on /femdom/ but if I had a girlfriend who was into BNWO and a massive gooner. I WOULD BE SO HAPPY
>>79391371you should inject alcohol into ur balls
>>79390340Why would i date someone who suggests to have kids before suggesting a date?>>79390542Hm...i think doggy, that turns into plank, that turns into "on the side". All of that is one official milti-step position.>>79390569You like such suits?I mean, if its the price to travel with you...i can tolerate a bit of a mobile sauna.Not saying its not a high price, tho! https://litter.catbox.moe/50e65f06so84ofe6.pnghttps://litter.catbox.moe/4aswktjlsz8hpqsw.pnghttps://litter.catbox.moe/fngdmwk7inb30ify.png
>>79391371>she probably wouldnt be on /femdom/ but if I had a girlfriend Ofc she wouldn't be. She's imaginary.
>>79388034That isn't even a match or a game, I'm genuinely very easy to trance! Like I genuinely zonk out from even some light suggestiveness from this kind of stuff. Feet aside, that's game over and I can only close my eyes and try to flee before I stare!>>79388510Parsee! Good evening, I am back! >>79390156>Death! I'll take payment first, thanksMy ghost wll think it's worth it.
https://litter.catbox.moe/kn9if3y9o8ieuyw9.mp4>>79391742>Parsee! Good evening, I am back! Good evening Back, im Parsee! Though, i thought you're Low. Anyway, welcome back.https://litter.catbox.moe/t18qpcm0qmal4ydu.mp4https://litter.catbox.moe/gts5yctp4gui6pet.mp4https://litter.catbox.moe/xsohe37wfvd9b8jh.mp4
