/acrg/ - Artist/Commissioner Rant General #973Just give up EditionRemember to SCREENCAP your links so we can laugh when they delete their posts.Talk about artists or commissioners, mostly the bad ones or those who got under your skin. Share your experiences and get angry with us.For all artists (and commissioners who are close friends with artists) here, beware of: Horu, Pixxy, OkiOppai, Timedwatcher, AnythingGoes, Skitterleaf, kathielnotfound (Jocelyn Jones), and Snoopcrow/jbunny/j6un9 (jbunny).They will exploit and/or scam you should they get the chance.Last Thread: https://desuarchive.org/trash/thread/79302630
How much more are payment processors and social media websites supposed to fuck artists in the ass before they finally start using crypto for commissions and move to hosting their art on proper gallery websites?
>>79368056Stop posting bait You're making it look like it's the only way to keep the thread active.
>>79368056AI jeet hands posted this
I like how some artists can make lolis both very cute and very sexy (technically I'm more of talking hebes since the art in specific I'm mentioning is nayuta from chainsawman and she's drawn closer to teenaged instead of closer to a plank)Life is alright
>>79368056>defeatist message does better for views than positive ones don't hate the player hate the game
>>79368143Why couldn't that pooner with the self-harm fetish stick to drawing slutty lolis like this instead of edgy guro slop? Scene loli would be a slam dunk niche for her to draw
Major Undertale content creator got outed as a groomerhttps://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1k0TYqGxuG1AD32EKPToZ1-Bd6cVaY-eiPnOYsf5PNFc/mobilebasic?pli=1
>>79368143I don't like when people draw the loli's gf as a greasy fat retard or something like that, it implies that the cute loli is either really stupid or has no standards both which make me quite sad.
>>79369291>gf... meant bf, obviously
The big exception being succubus lolis or other monster lolis because of the underlying supernatural factor making them being stupid unlikely, leaving it up to weird tastes or just not caring.
…https://xcancel.com/tsuk_ei/status/1991180061228089555
>>79369537>this beautiful retarded tranny said-I don't care
>Comments are practically nothing but "I have no idea what you're talking about" and "this never happens, you're making up imaginary scenarios in your head and getting mad at them"
>>79369136Just drop something when Toby is outed as something like that or Viziepop for that matter rather a literal who
>>79369136>This is the person sending hate mobs and screaming at you that Kris is nonbinary and Noelle and Ralsei are transfem
>>79369959>Lumping a fact in with an obnoxiously dogmatic headcanonYou're only muddying the waters further, retard
>>79369136Quick, make him say "fuck AI!"
>>79368143all that needs to happen is for twitter to ban porn
>>79368056Style and talent are more important than fundamental skills.Anyone can learn the fundamentals but that won't give you what he has
>>79368901who?
>>79371080
>>79370950I knew someone who got really mad that I didn't practice as much as him but I had a fanbase and he didn't. Like all that anatomy practice but you cant actually draw something people like is something that can for sure happen.
>>79370950Why do you seethe this much sbout this guy
>>79371207Let's be honest, there's alot of styles of artstyles that are popular for different genres of drawing. For example, you're going to attract more people with porn drawings in anime style, rather than more realistic works. Then things like scene pieces, cool character designs and such, benefit from alot of realism. Something something know your audience. Sometimes it's also just pure randomness. I've seen Japanese donate artists with really nice artstyles have less than 2k followers, while pornmcslopguy497 has tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of followers just because they fall into a weird porn niche.
>>79372422Yeah he wasn't really going super realistic but I think he was just mad in general that he put in more effort than me but wasn't as popular if not more which is like okay sure fair enough I guess but its not my fault.
I got that guy that made the callout on choklit, motylek, and a bunch of other artists suspended. He was having an insane schizo meltdown about moty in particular talking about murdering him and other various death threats so i reported those and just got confirmation that those reports were what caused his suspension. Get fucked funtime retard
>>79372489Well yeah, it would kind of piss me off too. I get pissed off that some creators are way too popular for their level of art too and I'm not even an artist. What I also see alot is either stagnation or regression in an artists skill once they blow up. GCFMug is a good example I have on top of my head.
>>79372363>>79371207 answers your question
>>79372625
>>79369829>literal whoThats one of the biggest content creators from UT though. Really bad optics
>>79372625what drama was choklit in? i stopped following him a year or two ago when he disappeared entirely behind substar due to repeated pixiv bans, only coming out to drop the shittiest form of art previews possible to advertise his ss (no pun intended).
>>79371207>draw basic cartoony doodles>often get followed by much more skilled artists and artists with large followings>whenever chatting with them they always bring up how much they love my style and my drawings>even though they can easily draw something similar or better in a few secondsI hate having impostor syndrome
I love Toonar. He's funny.
>>79373140>>79371207pyw?
>>79373044Like a year back he did some drawing based on some irl -18 girl just because he found her hot (picrel). Then some of his substat draws leaked which included toddlercon, which got him in hot water again. You’d think it would’ve gotten him ran off for good given what happened to other cancelled artist but he got away with all of it scot-free, literally no one cared after like a month
>>79368056I'm pretty sure siu is tracing over real zoo content.https://desu-usergeneratedcontent.xyz/trash/image/1758/66/1758667693622.pngIf you zoom in on the dog penis, you can see real flesh poorly traced over.It's from this set by siu.https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/131188839
this is so ironic considering this comes from an tranny.https://x.com/beeixzy/status/1991630374582317544
>>79373625thanks for the qrd. I mean he's done at least very young hyper shota for years and no one cared, probably because it's pretty cartoony/unrealistic and so doesnt resemble real children enough for people to get uncomfortable. toddler isn't much crazier desu. i like his stuff though, wish someone would dump his substar goodies on exh.
>>79368144>Stop posting bait>You're making it look like it's the only way to keep the thread active.Anon, that IS the only thing that keeps the thread active. I’ve seen the same reheated bait topics used here on a weekly basis whenever things get slow.
>>79369291have you ever thought she's just a slut for attention?
>>79374854Hmmm then I propose a new topic of discussion that happened to spawn from my unmedicated schizophrenia. I see alot of similarities in JLullabies and Soraoraora artstyle. To the point where I'm convinced that to dodge all the drama surrounding him he changed his artstyle up significantly and came back under a new name. Either that or Sora takes very weirdly specific inspiration from JL in terms of shading, expressions and even poses recently. Or am I just going insane?
>client wants commission>I want character x fucking character y in the ass while character x is also giving head to character z>explain there is no reasonable answer to this>they get sad and complainam i in the wrong here
>>79375533It would be kind of a production but I can sort of see how you'd arrange that kind of scenario, if the logistics of the act is what stopped youit sounds really gay though
>sparkledog neon self harm scars drug addiction combo strikes againwhat causes this?bonus points when their bio is some shit like "antis dni" like their mind is just stuck in an eternal tumblr realm culture war
>>79375533?
>>79375533Wdym? Can you actually not imagine this scene, or do they have more requireme ts that make it undoable?
>>79375442I think Sora just takes inspiration from j in weirdly specific ways as you said. Sora is cel shading with lots of soft erasing/gradients while lullaby is much more painterly. The comparison has been made multiple times but seems like a complete 180 and a shit ton of work if it was jlullaby reinventing himself. Could be true though, its far from impossible. They're both very talented and at that level I can see a change of style especially from more to less complex not being too hard.Speaking of, any artists here able to give opinions/comment on if Sora just has godlike pressure control or if he uses a really restricted pressure curve for his lines? There's nearly no variation, but the ends do taper. Maybe its just a very small brush size and max pressure ends up still very thin. I'm trying to learn more about his workflow/approach as a beginner myself. Mainly the lines and shading. It looks like he has some sort of custom 3d models he poses and traces over to bang out proper anatomy/perspective quickly. Also might be downscaling from source resolution to get whatever satisfying blend of slightly aliased/slightly anti-aliased lines as it doesnt seem like CSP real g-pen but too crunchy to be basic g-pen to my eyes.
>>79375768>>79375752>>79375620I yield. These are very silly, and i did not think of them. (two of the characters are birds, and thinking of where the wings would go also hindered my ability to picture the scenario.I wont do commissions anymore.
>>79375821Kek. But why not just have them do doggy style on a bed, then have y standing off on the side?
>>79375749No mast scars? Pass
>>79375821I don't blame you for not wanting to do the pose since it is kind of annoying to do it but you could have just told him that and not that its like impossible. There is no arguing against "I don't want to do this/I don't think I could do this good enough and don't want to take your money for a sub par product."
>>79376015You could always move the arms around to show characters more but I would probably decline the drawing on having to draw so many wings in general.
>>79375877I said "I cant picture a way this can happen" and thats true. My imagination is lacking. I would really like to be more creative but i just dont know how.>>79375867I was a theatre kid and it was ingrained in me to never have someone's back to the audience, and to always keep the face visible. Anything I come up with i feel its necessary to have all characters visible as much as possible.In >>79375768 the middle girls face unable to be seen (id feel guilty doing a pic for someone and you cant see a characters face) and in this >>79375752 lovely anons sketch the blue guys face is covered by the greens arms (wings since it would be a bird).I can admit im not very creative. I really struggle with this shit. I can draw at least though.
>>79376083if you are struggling with comming up with poses you could ask your commissioner to give you a stickman pose of what they would want, you might have hangups on like not showing as much as possible with the final piece but they might not mind things being obscured
>>79376083>>79376127Could use AI to generate a rough pass as referencePosemaniacs exist, and people use it, or even a 3d poseable render, so why not another tool?
>>79375533Did the commissioner never send you any image refs? that's how i avoid any hiccups and tell them either i'll take it or not.
>>79376045>>79376127Thanks.I do get some requests that just make me think the client doesnt think about what they want - for example, they want a picture of their character holding a 36" spherical object against their chest. They then go into extreme detail about how they want their characters graphic tshirt to look. I cant include both of these things.
>>79376175Thank you, ill keep those in mind next time.>>79376182No, just character references and a text description.
>>79376200yeah some people kind of don't think about things and I will just be upfront like "this probably wont be visible with the posing you asked for" shit happens usually they will just be like "oh, that makes sense" they probably just had that info in case you came up with a pose that would make it visible though
>>79376083I had a simelar thought to >>79375768 but with the middle character lying down and being ridden while the character the the right turns around. That way the face could realistically still be visible from a side angle, or side downwards angle. Part of the face would definitely still be covered but the side profile should still be visible. And if all fails, partly see through is always and option.
>>79376083
>>79376362>>79376281holmes youve cracked the case! I falsely assumed he wanted it on a bed, but your solution is perfect.Thank you, sincerely. Try this one if you want another challenge.>>79376200>>79376251Im going to ask for stick figure sketches in the future for sure!
>>79376463>>79376200Does the character have tits? They could be holding the ball to their chest obove their tits. You would have to draw it from a diagonal, but you could have their face smooshed up against it, I'm sure they would like that. Also what kind of spherical object? Balls?
>>79376585Male. No tits. face needs to be visible, and the ball object can be slightly deformed, but nothing major (think a yoga ball or a balloon)
>>79376682Idk. This is what I was thinking of, though you're never going to get a god view of the face and the shirt. This gives a bit of both.
>>79376920Awesome, really good solution! The client was REALLY specific over the shirt though, and i think he wanted it to be fully visible somehow. But still, thank you a lot. Would youd mind telling me the tool youre using to make these please?
>>79377004posemy.artI just wish there was a version you could download incase they ever decide that they don't want to host it anymore.
>>79377130thanks king. I appreciate you helping out a foolish "artist" like myself.
>>79374810NTA but no one knew that gal was under 18 when she took that pic (said by the gal), which came into surprise for him hahaha
>>79373148I mean that pic and the whole Martha Speaks thing isn't much more than "hey, a shocking thing happened in real life and I drew a picture that just kind of acknowledges its existence distastefully, do I offend u librul?!", it's not particularly witty
>>79373148He also immediately cracked like a little bitch
>>79369136Its not a surprise. I wonder if I saw any of Shayy's content
>>79373140
>>79373625Also solicited nudes, betrayed his friends, stole designs, etcfurther reminder that one of his orbiters drew her after it was revealed, of which choklit supported.100% his audience is the minus8 type where because he fuels a specific style fetish, they'll let terrible shit fly
>>79375749>what causes this?Being a cute little angel puppy living in this sad cruel world filled with disgusting humans.
>>79375442>I see alot of similarities in JLullabies and Soraoraora artstyle. To the point where I'm convinced that to dodge all the drama surrounding him he changed his artstyle up significantly and came back under a new name,Several people online have tried to be the next Jllullaby, with hary96 getting the closest IMO. It's not unfathomable one of them would develop a similar level of skill.If it was JL, they'd be drawing more men, tentacles, and futas as well. i cant imagine if they wanted to distance themselves from all their most common secondary content they'd still do blacked content as a primary.
>>79377942White people don't make shit like Rage Comics anymoreIt's all basedajak now
Why are Cum edits something I have to pay extra for if 70% of the time artists fucking forget!?
>>79368327>loli>hebechai tea
>>79372625Supremely fucking based, people like that need to get off twitter and be locked up in an asylum>>79372685Not even remotely cringe you’re siding with an actual threat to society that would murder a person over drawings
>>79380983So youre anti religion? Since peopme murder eachother over imaginary friends
>>79381472You sound anti not being a fucking retard, what is this even supposed to mean
>>79380847>com artist>ask for a version with a recolored penis>artist tells me it will be 10 extra usdoi vey
day #673452346 of some twitter faggot using the same 5 gifs of this bald niggress as a reaction image to anythingReported for NPC behavior (spambot)
>>79372647>Well yeah, it would kind of piss me off too. I get pissed off that some creators are way too popular for their level of art too and I'm not even an artist.This is why gallery sites need to come back and twitter needs a porn banPeople just don't admire well drawn art anymore or at least westerners don't, so you have tons of choklit tier art getting rewarded because it's fast and activates literal NPC bot behavior >>79375442It could be AI, but i also see a lot of artists who just copy an artist they like or a popular one What annoys me is that they all draw the exact same fetishes like they're afraid of having their own tastes and interests
lmao
>>79385087Right-wing jap artists are like that gook
>>79385249Sure, but at least they're not Korean.
>>79371207I think in general the most important concept is having appeal. Technical skill is just an enhancer for appeal. If you have dog shit taste in general no amount of technical skill is gonna save you from being obscure.If you look at the picture, you'll see me (Left) vs a friend of mine who pretty much started around the same time as me. I stress myself out about improving my artwork and I study and all that shit. My friend does not outside of very small pockets of things he wants to improve and actively doesn't want to make art boring by practicing too much.. We both have generally large follower counts.I think it's unfortunate, but a reality I think a lot of artist need to face is that they have dogshit taste. Krustin is just an example of someone who pretty nice taste. (Likes a bunch of trigger anime and stylistically 3d cartoon shit)
>>79383804>>79380847And then they wonder why AI is taking over.
>>79380847Drawing (good) cum everywhere often takes a significant amount of time to execute.
>>79375533Always ask for visual pose refs.
>>79385919>Apu Apustaja niggerWhite people don't talk about Pepe's retarded Finnish cousin anymore
>>79380847>Why are Cum edits something I have to pay extra for if 70% of the time artists fucking forget!?it sounds stupid but cum takes an annoying amount of time to draw, specially if it's bubbly or larger concentrationsObviously it shouldn't cost at all much if you want it added, like 5 or 10usd more if it's a pretty large alt with cum idk>>79385919>Drawing (good) cum everywhere often takes a significant amount of time to execute.this>>79385856Anytime now rahjeet, how's the coping with rams costing 300% higher thanks to the sloppa
>>79386213>with rams costing 300% higher thanks to the sloppaHoly shit don't fucking remind me dude
>>79385489>but a reality I think a lot of artist need to face is that they have dogshit taste.i think there is a hard limit on skill vs style, given how some people have ideas i'd love but they're executed in such an embarrassing horseshit manner i can't even look at the art. your friend on the right has evidently practiced enough to make their anatomy, proportions, lines, etc. appealing. i know people much, much worse than them.What are your stylistic inspirations? i find that choosing an appealing artist matters a hell of a lot more than their technical skill.
>>79384973It’s either this or like 4 different ishowspeed gifs spammed on my timeline lately
>>79384973Gachaslop results are still better than this
>evil container
>>79386282>What are your stylistic inspirations? i find that choosing an appealing artist matters a hell of a lot more than their technical skill.Oh my god this is the first time I've seen that statement come from anyone but myself here on /trash/! To be honest. I have too many general/small inspirations. At this point in my artistic path I've just settled on reducing my overall polish to move towards producing comics in a timely fashion, but before that I was heavily focused on improving my anatomy/coloring skills. I kinda break down things in my head. as Tiers. The are the people directly next to me, the people above me, the greats about them and then gods.The people who inspire me who are generally above me are: Eigaka (Posing, Lining) HotGlossed (Coloring, Posing) Rizdraws. (Coloring, Posing) Brekkist. (Lining, Posing) DonDrrr (Favorite, General style, Posing, coloring, lining)The people who inspire me who are above them who I consider gods would just be: Tatsuyuki Tanaka, Noah Bradley, Dave Rapoza, Yusuke Murata, Takehiko Inoue, Akihiko Yoshida.Generally speaking I'm in a space right now were I'm just trying to get my own personal artistic identity, so I'm maximizing sketching and refining my style, anatomy, sketch speed. (Gonna end up being another weeb inspired artist)
>>79386420QRD?
>>79386465>Yusuke MurataGod
>>79386704The current ass centric memehttps://e621.net/posts?tags=evil_container
>>79386768Does this guy use ai?
>>79386768BREAST MILK BREAST MILK BREAST MILK DURRREVIL CONTAINER! DUUUGH
>>79379895Didn't people also hate those back in the day for just being the same "funny faces" from actual original comics copied and pasted as a "crutch for comedy" with no originality or punchline?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FKuPPiF5SU
>>79386909Yea, at the end of the day it’s same shit, different flavor
>>79386420>evilpenis container
evilpenis status?
>>79384973Report them to the NAACP, too
>>79387015I'd rather report them to the KKK
>>79386736Like, if I did nothing in my whole art career except for chasing Yusuke Murata I'd probably end up being a good artist somewhere down the line. Like as long as I was able to look at my work and compare it to Murata and realize I still wasn't as good as him It would keep pushing me forward. I think a majority of people have either shitty inspiration (Can't be helped) or No inspiration (Aimless). If you get out of bed at your favorite artist is some deviantart tier motherfucker then what hope is there for you? But I know this is a "Furry Board" so If I had to present some furry inspirations in my life it would be: Kanel (He taught me a lot of what I know) Veramundis. (He taught me a thing or two about coloring as well), Meesh (Dude is just insane) Chinpow/Powfoo (Lovely duo great mixture of that soft anime look and the big bara man stylization), Taran Fiddler (Great painter, great male anatomy)
>>79386829>BREAST MILK BREAST MILK BREAST MILK DURRRI genuinely can't enjoy that meme because I can't help but think of how many socially retarded autists out there must have said that to actual baristas because they thought it was so funny
>>79373969>Remember to SCREENCAP your links so we can laugh when they delete their posts.
>>79386768Memes are just getting lazy now
>>79386420>evil container>sneedren low angle drawingI wonder what the next low effort, normalfag, carefully crafted to be inoffensive, flavor of the week meme will be.>>79386909People hated them when they started to be spammed and overused, and became mainstream enough for reddit to start abusing them. Back then, 4chan still had something resembling integrity. Now people will cry "reddit" when someone makes OC while reposting wojaks and frogs for 15 years straight.>>79387212>nowWere you not around for when the normalfag counterpart for CONDUCTOR WE HAVE A PROBLEM was "would a dog wear pants like this or like this?"
>>79387294>Now people will cry "reddit" when someone makes OC while reposting wojaks and frogs for 15 years straight.I honestly can't tell if that's worse than being upfront and going "NOOO WHAT DO YOU MEAN I RUINED THE JOKE BY BEING AN INSUFFERABLE RETARD STOP BEING MEAN TO MEEEEEEEEEE"
>>79387515Breasts and fat asses aren't memes. They're your mental illness.
>>79387294>CONDUCTOR WE HAVE A PROBLEM was "would a dog wear pants like this or like this?"how are any of these comparable to posting a generic, safe, ass pic and putting evil container text next to it?
>>79387557
>>79387784>soon.jpgliterally never. we are past the point of salvaging.
>>79387557>breasts and asses are mental illnessJust how gay are you?
>>79386420>>79386768>>79386977He will not be contained.
>>79386828Yes
It's that one fucking comic lmao>"Did you hear about (person)? He--">"Erm, actually (person) uses they/them">"Right, so they molested a child"
>>79388141This one?
>>79369136>>79388141
>>79388284nobody cares nigger
>>79388284Artists are content creators
A long time client of mine offered to give me a phone phone line so I can job hunt as a poorfag. Should I be worried about it being some kind of scam? Id have to give them my address, and id be texting using their phone account etc. I can't imagine this client would out of the blue want to scam me
>>79388141>>79369136Genuinely how the fuck does this keep happening, why can NONE of these people not cross their sex lives into their content creator life? I don't go to work and start telliing all my coworkers about the shit I jack off to, yet all these people seem to do is make art and talk creepily to minors and other weirdos in their free time.When you get tens of thousands of followers, wouldn't that make you MORE cautious not to do shit like this?
>>79388573I can't imagine being this kind of artist. Some artists seem to flirt with their followers and goon along side them to their own art. It's very odd. Id feel embarrassed if my followers knew how I liked to jerk off. outside of whats apparent in my art I guess
>>79368143you could just not draw porn for money
>>79388745I'm gonna sell 70 dollar sandwiches and each customer gets a free porn picture on the side.
>>79388488it's more trustworthy to try and get about 100$ saved up so you can get a cheap phone and a cheap phone line.More than likely they'll just see this as an opportunity to sneak in free 'requests' and use the line as bargaining. Don't trust them unless it's your only choice, even if you have great history.
>>79387294>became mainstream enough for reddit to start abusing them.reddit picks up on shit almost as soon as it starts circulating on 4chan, the reality is that something being in reddit only becomes a problem when someone else acknowledges it as "reddit", because being called reddit online is being called lame, which is unacceptable
