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I really aught to start learning how to start these threads.
>>80004358Me on the far right but I'm sniffing Judy instead.
>>80004536>imagine the smell
So I brought this up in the last thread but it was near the bottom and it died before anyone really saw it. We've seen "nudity" in both Zootopia films and it's been played as a joke both times. Do you think Disney would let Zootopia's version of nudity be played for something more tasteful? The ending, for some at least, is a soft confirmation that Nick and Judy are a couple. What if at the start of the third movie we see the sun shining through a new apartment that's unfamiliar to either Nick or Judy's. Judy's frame being woken up by the sunlight and she stretches, shaking a figure beside her, and hopping out of bed happy as can be, wearing nothing. Nick wakes up uncharacteristically chipper for the morning and also gets out of bed wearing nothing and stretches a kink out of his back. Sure I know this implies they've been intimate and hard confirms them as a couple, but is this really much worse than a full on nudist colony or sitting at a bar with no pants on? To kids it's just two characters waking up in the morning. They may even think of them as a mommy and daddy. To the older audience we know what it means. Sure we miss out on their first kiss, but we know they're a couple. It may even mean we'd get a proposal later in the movie. I know some people will scream think of the children but as I said I don't see how this is worse than a full on nudist colony. There'd be nothing showing any sex. No humping, no genitals, no fluids, no toys, no condoms. Just morning after glow and Zootopia's version of nudity implying they were intimate to those old enough to it together. I don't see this any worse than the Nala and Simba scene from Lion King, as an example where Simba pins her down and you pretty much know they go at it. Anyway, this is just an example. I find it interesting because it seemed ok for Nala/Simba, and the nudity also seems fine as a joke but not for waking up by a lover? Thoughts?
>>80004670>What if at the start of the third movie we see the sun shining through a new apartment that's unfamiliar to either Nick or Judy's. Judy's frame being woken up by the sunlight and she stretches, shaking a figure beside her, and hopping out of bed happy as can be, wearing nothing. Nick wakes up uncharacteristically chipper for the morning and also gets out of bed wearing nothing and stretches a kink out of his back.That would be going overboard. It would contrast too much with her obviously bothered expression from the first movie in the naturalist habitat. Kids would ask why she looked unbothered when she's naked with Nick and not the other animals.
>>80004536>stopping the middle of the marathon to flirt with the PoV characterShe is asking for a trampling at that point. On a semi-related note, how many citizens do you guys think get injured or killed on the daily from a stampede? Gotta be at least 4 cases a day, if we're comparing it to stuff like train deaths a day. Someone at the ZPD has to have something like "Trampling Duty".
>>80005088Oh I get you, don't teach kids to be nude around others just cause you know them. Unfortunate we have to think that way but it is an understandable reason. Pajamas would work just as well in the scene. Would get across the same message I think.
>>80005088It's kinda different when it's your boyfriend though isn't it?
>>80004670>Sure we miss out on their first kiss, but we know they're a couple. It may even mean we'd get a proposal later in the movie. I don't think that the first kiss would be missed out on. For two characters that the creators have been teasing for as long as they have (including the comics), the moment will definitely be on-screen. Probably during a particularly critical point in the film knowing how they handled Nick confessing how much Judy meant to him.My hope is that the third film revolves around Nick more, like the original 'Zistopia' idea. First movie obviously revolves around Judy since she is in practically every contemporary scene; furthermore, when the duo is separated we only follow Judy on her journey to find Nick. Second movie is a balance of both Nick and Judy and this is especially emphasized when the two are separated - the amount of cuts to each character dedicated to their own journey shows that **this** film needs both characters to stay relevant.If we're to follow the formula and pivot toward a more singular focus, Nick's story and time to shine makes sense. Personally, I believe he should engage first with any form of romantic interest while obviously trying not to start anything (contradictory I know but hear me out). Maybe it starts with some down time before the big case, he finally realizes what he said in the second film and that he may have fallen for someone he realistically shouldn't have even fallen for. Maybe that point started there, or maybe he's finally coming into terms he fell for her in the first movie but didn't know how to actually respond. One thing I know for sure is that he is not prepared to do anything romantically, despite his flirtatious nature - a playboy with a heart that grew three sizes too big to handle.
>>80005543I would love a bit more Nick because I want to see Mrs Wilde. I'd even love to see him have a heart to heart with her about how he's scared with how much he's fallen in love with Judy.
>>80005543>>80005839Forgot to say I agree that I think he isn't prepared. I think he's madly in love with Judy. He just has never felt like this before. Any relationship he may have had before was either only physical or transactional. I need something before moving on. Now it's the most important thing in his life and he's uncertain. He could just tell her about these feelings but that'd make him vulnerable and that's a issue Nick deals with.
>>80004670
>>80005839Mrs. Wilde has become quite the commodity. In the comics, we got to still see more of her (even with the Peanuts style head cut off). She's shown to be a HUUUUGGEEE fan of a rabbit band, maybe that love of bunnies is a familial trait for the Wildes ;DI still see a lot of fan art of her, either Nick coming back to show off how he proud she can be of him now or just regularly having visits. I don't know where I saw it, but one of the creators says she still lives in the same apartment so it could be assumed Nick still maintains some contact, and he certainly makes headlines so she has to know of him and his accomplishments.
>>80006273Absolutely love this! Judy becoming the No.1 thing on Nick's mind makes a lot of sense, and seeing how he deals with that would be really fun to watch.
>>80004274The meat is made from the Lynxley family.
>>78824965 >Any cute new art of Judith/the shrews?>>78930473 >All I want for Christmas is more Judith.>>78931665 >>79800539>I’m sad there’s not more cute new shrew art. To the anon asking this, if they're still around... What is it that you're looking for? Did you have any specific things in mind you'd want to see done with Judith and/or Fru Fru in fanart (since you already specified Mr. Big's got a good enough portion of content >>78842741 ); did you want people to post what they could find out in the wild *of* those characters into these threads (like pic related); or...?
>>80006436>"Like there's anything I wouldn't do for him! I love Nick more than anyone in this city!!"It might not be word-for-word, but how did Weaver know?
>>80006988Eating their enemies as a form of revenge could be another way for Disney to appeal to the Chinese market.
>>80004670This is way way way too much... I think you (some) of you WildeHopps shippers are truly asking for way too much. Parents would inevitably be pissed for sure, but that aside, there's a fundamental misunderstanding you seem to have in regards to Simba/Nala - those two characters are "feral" style animals who by default DO NOT wear any clothes, so there's no further implications to be taken by them being "naked" because they are by default. Secondly, the "look" Nala gives is the only indication of anything, and if you rewatch the scene, you'd see Simba's lower half is actually off to the side - so he's not directly pinning / straddling Nala. It's also a little different, I think, for her to give Simba "fuck me" eyes, followed by them lovingly nuzzling during the musical sequence, as opposed to two NUDE characters climbing out of bed with each other. Definitely overboard, and like I've mentioned a million times before, as someone who would prefer the pairing of WildeHopps is left ambiguous / up to the viewer's interpretation, I would be livid if they went with something as overt as you are suggesting.Pic related, his lower half id off to the side of her, so they couldn't even be fucking right here
>>80004463Copy & paste, choose a picture you like for the OP, think of an "edition" name that goes with the picture. Even autists have been able to figure it out for nine years, but I guess you're a full-blown retard.
>>80007443Also change the previous thread links.
>>80007497And reward yourself after with a fap.
>>80007056Holy fuck this is great.I was one of them, and I’ll take literally any new art of anyone but Mr. Big himself, because it seems really relatively rare. Maybe my algo is just forcing Pawbert and blotting it out.
>>80007412Yeah... I wanna see the fox and the bunny hold hands just as much as the next shipper, but even just asking if that scene could happen is delusional. Like, of course Disney aren't going to allow a scene where it's implied that Nick and Judy just had sex, or treat nudity as anything other than a joke.
>>80008230Actually, them having hybrid children will be the safest implication of them having sex
>>80008230So if everything was the same except they were wearing a shirt and shirts, it'd be fine? It'd still be implying sex just without the nakedness.
>>80008554>shorts
>>80008387Disgusting abominations. Hybrids would be the worst, most world-breaking bullshit they could possibly pull. I truly hope they don't do that; aside from me hating WildeHopps, I think I hate the hybrid thing even MORE because not only would it confirm them as a couple but it would ruin the world building. If hybrids existed, like I mentioned last thread, we would probably see them walking around, and the concept of all animals being different would fall apart because eventually, over time, if hybrids were possible, the population would become an amalgamation of freaks.Hybrids between two mammals of the same scientific family? (Red fox x corsac) would make sense, and likely wouldn't look strange, either. Lion x tiger, lion x leopard, etc. All good. MAYBE even wolf x fox (though this is slightly cursed too because they would not, in fact, be capable of producing a hybrid in real life)Pred x prey hybrids could never, and SHOULD NEVER exist. They are world-breaking, ruining, abominations.
>>80008230>>80008554No, that would not be fine either, but it would be less crazy to ask for. I think all you shippers asking for such overt things are delusional. You guys are already talking like you think a third movie is CONFIRMED happening and like it's confirmed gonna canonize WildeHopps. I truly hope they don't canonize it, but in the meantime (4 years minimum) while we're waiting on the third movie even actually HAPPENING, I guess it gives me time to write my little NickxSkye fanfic and maybe illustrate it as a comic to satiate myself and get a new ship and story out there to hopefully open others' eyes to something else than WildeHopps. I really wanna write something with a sad / drama angle to it on Judy's end too. Drama, period, would make it fun to write.
Was watching an unboxing of some seemingly official zootopia chink cards and saw a bellwether one with a black background that said "fear always works", does anyone know if that design is available as a shirt or something?
>>80008230>Disney aren't going to allow a scene where it's implied that Nick and Judy just had sexThey implied Land and Tramp had sex. In 19-fucking-55.
>>80008820*Lady
>>80004670You might not remember but as a kid I found even featureless nudity to be awkward/uncomfortable, especially in cases like zootopia in which it's established nudity isn't the norm, so characters like bugs bunny don't count. But then again, the HTTYD tv show made a joke about astrid and hiccup sleeping together naked, and I remember shrek 2 having a scene in which shrek and fiona share a bed and he was shirtless, so those might be a good reference as to what might be acceptable.
All I need are the sexiest bits of a female in a pic to get off
>>80008820Wonder if showing them sharing a bedroom and skipping to the next morning showing them getting dressed in front of each other would work, like nick adjusting his tie or something.
>>80008590I ship Gary and Nibbles. I want to see little blue beavers with their cute little fangs hatching from eggs.
>>80008590What if they only worked via assisted parenting? Like in their world if the animals are capable of it, the doctors can fiddle with both parents DNA and make a baby that is 100% from both parents. Like limited to species of the mother, limited to only one kit instead of however many is usually born, only unique trait would be fur color like orange fur on the bunny Judy would have. Would this be less an abomination? >>80008690There was the ending credits scene and the Clawhauser decoded message. So we know for sure a 3 is happening. I hope it doesn't take 10 years lol. Also I'm the one who wrote up the waking up nude together not cause I thought they should do it. I am simply curious on peoples opinion is all on how far the nudity thing could be played. Seems as a joke is as far as it should go for everyone. Perhaps I should rephrase what I was originally trying to get at with my example, instead of getting wrapped up in the example itself. Is there anything they could do with Zootopia “nudity“ that isn't just a punchline? Again as an example what if Judy needed resuscitation with emergency shock paddles and Nick had to remove her top? Yes yes I know, I know, action movie logic I know, it's an example. This idea of using Zootopia nudity tastefully doesn't have to imply intimacy. I just think it's wasted on being a joke when it could be a tool. A touching scene seeing scars all over Nick, or saving Judy like mentioned above. I guess I'm just coming off creepy instead of making any sense though, sorry.
>>80008387>Actually, them having hybrid children will be the safest implication of them having sexRespectfully, this is terrible. Hybrids (imo) are furry trash, and I don't think I've seen any good art work. That being said, if it's your taste then it's your taste and I can respect that.Inter-species couples are confirmed in the Zootopia canon, but I'm not sure about kits. I'm sure tigers and lions mixed to make ligers but anything more extreme than that is a mystery as far as the lore is concerned.My personal belief is that if Judy and Nick can have kits, it'll be either foxes or bunnies. This end piece by hardyboy sort of explains it.
>>800088201. Those are feral dogs. Not human-like characters; the whole movie is from the perspective of dogs who we are supposed to infer, to the humans in-universe, are simply normal dogs for all intents and purposes.2. Showing two pet dogs with puppies after a cut to Christmas is a FAR CRY from two NUDE characters who walk upright and have more human-like lives waking up next to each other. Inappropriate.>>800088573. This, it is uncomfortable regardless of being featureless or not. Kids don't want to watch those scenes with parents in the room. I know I certainly didn't want to.However, I must point out Shrek (and HTTYD) are DreamWorks films, Shrek specifically was going for a cynical older audience. It was literally rated "TV14" whenever they aired it on Cartoon Network from what I recall (same rating given to Family Guy) so kind of a different vibe / idea than a family-friendly targeted Disney movie.>>80008922I still think this, even, is delusional to ask for. I want Nick to remain in the man-cave "men really live like this" den he's carved out for himself. I wanna see more of it, it's funny
>>80009016Based, I think that ship is weird and doesn't make sense but I'm willing to support it since it makes the antis mad, wonder if the guy that keeps spamming is the rainbow haired faggot with the blue sona that was excomunicated from the xitter sphere of the fandom and ZNN for being too annoying so he has to shit up the threads here anonimously
>>80009125That's pokemon logic essentially, there are no pokemon hybrids, they're always the species of the mother, unless the mother is a ditto
>>80009016This is more cursed than even mammal predxprey>>80009123I don't like that either. It comes off as incredibly unnatural. If it seems "wrong" to me then I automatically dislike it. The only workaround I can think of would be sperm / egg donor, with Judy obviously carrying. But I hate the idea of them as a couple to begin with so I'd rather not even dwell on the baby thing - I myself actually (despite having a breeding kink) also deeply dislike babies (not children, kids are fine) and I am choosing to never ever have any. Pregnancy looks like a torture I cannot put myself through and I would hate having to take care of a screaming shitting baby. Plus, you immediately are no longer "cool" as a couple or as adults if you choose to have a baby because now you have no fucking time or energy for anything except the ugly flesh potato you've created. I wouldn't want that for Nick or Judy either; neither of them strikes me as the "let's have kids" type even IF I shipped them. Which I don't.As for the nudity thing, I see what you're getting at, but I don't think Disney would allow the artists / animators to do anything with nudity beyond a gag or joke here and there. I also don't think Nick would have scars (from what? Being whipped? lol) to show but this is of course a hypothetical.>>80009125Glad to see someone else here who hates the hybrid idea; though your "Pokemon breeding" take I also disagree with. It makes no sense. Why would fox sperm create rabbit babies with a rabbit egg? Not scientifically possibleGonna make dinner now, will be back later
>>80009123>"This idea of using Zootopia nudity tastefully doesn't have to imply intimacy. I just think it's wasted on being a joke when it could be a tool. A touching scene seeing scars all over Nick, or saving Judy like mentioned above. I guess I'm just coming off creepy instead of making any sense though, sorry."They could show Nick showering for example, I know it ain't happening with Judy since fanservice with female characters isn't allowed but seeing Nick naked in the shower is fairly realistic I'd say, could even be a contemplative scene in which he's thinking about his past or some shit, hell, you could even have Judy show up and comfort him, she'd be clothed of course.
>>80009125>My personal belief is that if Judy and Nick can have kits, it'll be either foxes or bunniesMy belief too. And it explains why hybrids aren't seen around Zootopia already—because they look like one species or the other.
>>80008590While I'm concerned at you level of involvement with 'technical accuracy' in the Zootopian universe (sic), I also agreed back in the late teens the hybrids can't really be a thing in this universe because as you say, if it's been going on over the millennia that sentient Anthros have existed, by the time that 'Zootopia' occurs, the world would be a semi-uniformed collection of (what I termed then) Sparkledogs.I have no (ok, a little) problem with deviancy, Bi's, Gays etc, these are generally for sexual pleasure, and genetically unviable (ok again, maybe not Bi's), and therefore would delete themselves from the gene pool.Unfortunately, it's a mental problem that almost seems to be contagious.But such deviancy, would almost be expected in any modern 'comfortable' civilisation. It's almost like a cyclic control system that stops any one civilisation from over-reaching those around it, thereby living only a small diversity to maintain existence.Just look at all the previous human 'modern civilisations' (compared to their peers), that manage to wipe themselves out, rather than continue dominating.As long as deviancy remains below the 2% range, civilisations grow at a steady, safe rate.
>>80009312I don't want kids either. Which is why I masturbate 4-8 times a day rather than date. Abstinence always works 100%.
>>80009346Which is sad because I'm legit not trying to use this “nudity“ in a fanservicy way. I feel like it could be used for a more mature story related message or visual. Yes my first example was implying intimacy but that's just the first mature sort of easy visual representation that quickly popped into my head.
>>80009016>I ship Gary and NibblesI have not heard of this one, but it's certainly unique. The only interaction that they got together is Gary saving her life. I sort of think that Nibbles is just a lesbian, haha. I have this personal ship of Gary and Pawbert (as does the more radical shippers in this community at this point I guess??).I mainly like them together since it's just funny to think about mainly, I don't think there would be any serious implications for them. Gary with the loving family, Pawbert with none, I don't know: it's just nice to think that even after everything, Gary would still forgive Pawbert, still allowing him the chance to have at least one friend in this friend.Also, unrelated to any of this discussion but I am having so much trouble with the CAPTCHA right now ~.~
Should I continue cooking
>>80008387I said they wouldn't allow a scene where it's implied that they *just* had sex, as in, a "morning after" type scene.I'm personally against the idea of hybrids. I suppose I could maybe accept a bunny with Nick's fur color or something like that if you forced me too, but adopting a kid feels like the more selfless and in-character thing for them to do anyway.>>80008554It would imply that they're a couple that sleeps in the same bed, but how would it imply that they just had sex? If the bed sheets were in a huge mess and their fur was all tangled, then sure, but that wasn't what was written. >>80008590It doesn't make any sense and yet people will still say shit like "They walk upright and can speak though." as if to say that therefore, anything goes in this world, that there's zero rules about anything, and the writers don't care to think these things through.>>80009123I mean, I don't want you to feel humiliated or anything. I guess I just can't see it or imagine a situation where nudity would be appropriate in a family-friendly movie for reasons other than awkward humor.>>80009137>1. & 2.I can't believe some of these things need to be spelled out to these people.>>80009312>neither of them strikes me as the "let's have kids" typeI do ship them, but honestly, same. Maybe we're both just projecting our own feelings here, and I always try to question my character interpretations with that in mind, but it just feels out of character for them. It's not a necessity for them to have kids and plenty of couples in healthy, happy, strong and lifelong relationships don't.
>>80009601I don't think Gary would forgive Pawbert, but I think he would visit him in prison and show him how happy his family and the rest of the reptiles are. Showing him he and his family was wrong, that he could have had more friends than he would have known what to do with if he just had a change of heart. Gary wouldn't even really be doing it out of maliciousness, just out of sadness for losing his best friend and wanting him to see how much what he did hurt him. Yet he'd still come visit.
>>80009620Hogbottom art, wow! I got no drawing ability worth mentioning but you should definitely continue forth with this! Ever since the drop of the trailer for the second movie, there has been a huge lack of art for some of the tertiary characters to my surprise. I like what you've done so far, a lot of possibilities with those tusks.
>>80009653Nah I'm not humiliated, wouldn't be the first time an idea I've had is dumb. Won't be the last.
>>80009620Yeah>>80009601Captcha's weird, on mobile it's easy to solve for me but on desktop it seems completely arbitrary, maybe because it randomly switches from 3 to 5 images and sometimes I forget to check if there are 5 and I only check 3 and solve it accordingly
>>80008590I think I like your crusade against illogical hybrids the most, we need this brand of autism.
>>80009653Just to follow up on the kids thing, it seems like a lot of people don't think about them and their relationship that hard and just want to force them into the traditional “date -> commit -> marry -> children” paradigm, when from what we've already seen of them and the world they live in, they're anything but traditional. Their actual relationship progression is way more interesting than that and goes something more like distrust -> understanding -> mutual respect -> emotional reliance -> shared purpose -> intimacy. As a couple they practically define the idea of post-traditional romance.
>>80009601Gary and Pawbert's kid would be a literal turd, though.CAPTCHA sucked for me the first time I did it, then I understood it and actually like it. Much faster than the old way.
>>80009751>...show him how happy his family and the rest of the reptiles are.>Gary wouldn't even really be doing it out of maliciousness, just out of sadness for losing his best friend and wanting him to see how much what he did hurt him.Oh man, this just sparks in an idea in me. The idea of Pawbert being love-baited by Gary constantly. Gary being so overtly friendly toward Pawbert, so much to the point that it just aggravates him - a sorta Flanders type situation, ending with a "Stupid, sexy Gary!!!"In all seriousness though, you're probably right about him probably coming back to visit but maybe not forgiving him.
>>80009620That'll do pig
>>80009653I don't think Nick and Judy will immediately have kids. Being different species, they'll correctly assume that Judy won't get pregnant on the wedding night. It will take several years, I believe, for Judy's body to not attack Nick's knot butter. After five or so years of regular unprotected sex—boom! Pregnant with a single fox or bunny kit!
>>80009312>Breeding kink>Hates pregnancyAll you internet autists are so typical with your anti-natalist takes. All fun all the time with none of the responsibilities. Even the degree of separation between you and the characters you like you can't conceive that they would think any differently from you.
>>80009601Gary Pawbert either deviates Pawbert character too much (Honestly, I never thought he was 'sad' because he abandoned everyone at the end, he was bummed because he failed on his mega plan, doomed his family and was going to get bumloved by all other inmates), or make Gary too soft (see: Gary constantly trapping, dodging and beating people up and then saying wise cutesy shit with a soft voice).Even if the new movie has a "We need someone who has experience with all mails of rich people" and they think of him, they visit him on jail (because the rest of the lynxleys probably have a ripcord to get out of jail card like all rich people, but chose to not bail Pawbert out) and bail him, I can't just figure him out saying "Sorry for trying to kill you all then consistently mock your deaths" even if he had a moment to save everyone. I can only see him and Gary as some sort of Zistopia Nick and Judy (except Nick is an actual piece of shit, and Judy is an actual good person) interactions, though it makes no sense when you consider why the fuck would Gary be a cop (just mention him instantly lunging at Pawbert the moment he noticed what he did to Judy)
>>80010264shes a woman retard
>>80010420And?
>>80009653>morning after...
>>80010502they go for mpreg
>>80010247>After five or so years of regular unprotected sex—boom!>implying Judy could handle rigorous, and rough knotting for that longWhile I'm a pro-Wildehopps enthusiast, the sexual aspect is something I take little engagement in but still support :>
>>80010935Nick is very protective, so he'd be too afraid to give her his knot. WildeHopps sex will be shaft only, which will still be much longer than any bunny dick would be.
WildeHopps will happen in Z3. But the price we'll have to pay is that the movie's message will be "love is love" and we'll have to see Nibbles' wedding to a female beaver, the confirmation of Clawhauser X Bogo, a new supporting sidekick character who is both transgender and trans-species, and a "pride" parade of gay and lesbian lions.
>>80011305You forgot to preface this with "Disney insider here"
the shart
>>80011214Nick would totally be overprotective, especially in that case. The last thing he'd want to do is hurt her - scientifically speaking, the only reason the knot exists is to ensure **that** male's genetics pass on, and that there is no competition. Given the size difference between the two, there wouldn't be a need to unless either person wanted it. >>80011305>the confirmation of Clawhauser X BogoIf I had a nickel for a police chief played by a black actor who turned out to be gay, I would have two nickels. Which isn't a lot but just strange it happened twice.
>>80009405Yes, just like I said, and what you are saying - if hybrids were a thing, we indeed would see a bunch of, as you put, "sparkledogs" walking around as opposed to normal animals. Very weird, not fun.>>80009425I have low libido as is (birth control's fault I would guess) but there's no better feeling than the closeness of my bf cumming in me. I don't even need / want to finish, I like it that much. But of course I only feel *true* desire when ovulating which is a dangerous game to play.>>80009601I think they were taking the piss with their "ship" to mock me (since I've vehemently stated my feelings on interspecies) but I get the same vibes from Nibbles as you. Beaver wants to munch on beaver. As for Gary/Pawbert, I don't like that either, but what I dislike even more was the predictable "welp, he's actually a bad guy after all and he's betraying them!" I may have been high af in the theatre but even when watching it I thought "gee I sure hope this guy is actually a good guy and they don't pull the twist villain thing" and they predictably did. It sucks because I really liked Pawbert. I don't think he can be redeemed now, not after trying to commit murder multiple times.(1/2)
>>80011305nibbles is getting dicked down by jesus she'll get a reptile wife next movie
>>80009653>adopting a kid feels like the more selfless and in-character thing for them to do anyway.This. I may hate the ship and don't want it to come true, but this feels infinitely more realistic to me if they go into canonizing the ship and making them have a family.>as if to say that therefore, anything goes in this worldIt truly does annoy me when people use this excuse. If I say "a fox and a rabbit can't reproduce", then I'm told "they can't talk or walk on two legs either" which is a retarded excuse all around. The universe created clearly relies on SOME rules; just because they can talk or whatever doesn't mean ANYTHING is possible. People using this argument are either trolling or don't want to think deeper about it.>I do ship them, but honestly, same.I ship other things where I DO enjoy / believe the idea where the two characters would eventually have children, but even if I DID ship WildeHopps I'd still stand by the no-kids headcanon altogether.>>80009977I thank you for your support>>80010264I'm not anti-natalist necessarily. I think idiots and the mentally ill should not reproduce. Basically, if you are a fucking retard who makes society worse, don't pop out more dumb kids who will do dumb shit like you. I have SEVERE OCD and I am (probably) autistic. I CANNOT pass this suffering onto a child, and I'm also extremely selfish and enjoy my "me time". My bf and I have agreed on no kids, ever. We already had to deal with a scare regarding this issue and I won't be going through that ever again.(2/2)
>>80011305I don't care as nothing in what you said pisses me off. Let people be with who they want. Only thing I care about is my fox and bun and if I get that, then others getting what they want is only fair. I know you're shit posting but still. I don't think I'll ever confident they'll be canon. Which I'm sure anons would be pissed at hearing but I'm so pessimistic about these two being canon. I'm probably undiagnosed autistic.
>>80011305I would write off Z3 altogether if they tried to pull this shit. I hate this stupid fucking clown world we live in.
>>80011671>"gee I sure hope this guy is actually a good guy and they don't pull the twist villain thing" and they predictably did.Man I thought I was alone in this thought, glad to see someone with similar thinking. I was watching in theatres as Judy was looking at the security cams, and thinking, "Well shit, I mean nothing bad can really happen now unless they- oh... -...okay yeah I mean guess that's cool too."I certainly still enjoyed the rest of movie, the Shining bit was pretty cool to see. I still wish the creators included the extended Silence of the Lambs scene, I know there was a reason of 'kids not being able to understand it' but looking back at plenty of older animated films I understand a lot of jokes that went over my head when I was a kid but still found funny. Practically every other bit that Robin Williams did during Alladin was a call back to comedians from the 70's or older.
>>80011826I'm really curious to hear your thoughts as a writer (even though you're anti-WildeHopps) about the follow-up I wrote in >>80010117 because sometimes it feels like hardly anyone else thinks about this stuff beyond "Aww, that would be so cute if they did that!" and aren't realistic about it.Like, can anyone seriously imagine Judy being happy stuck sitting at home looking after a baby? She'd be tapping her foot like a madwoman, constantly thinking about what she was missing out on at work, missing Nick like crazy, and probably would end up resenting that they chose to even have a kid. It's just not the life that the actual, canonical Judy Hopps would want.Nick only cares about Judy and what she wants and is just happy to be with her, so he probably wouldn't care whether or not they had kids. In fact, now we know that the thought of losing her and what they have together scares him, and a child comes with the risk of destroying that.>B-But Judy probably had loads of experience caring for young children in her family before she left Bunnyburrow.Yeah, and look how desperate she was to leave that lifestyle behind and never look back. Lots of us are experienced in things that we never want to do again.
>>80012096I really did appreciate the reference to The Shining, it was a surprise to be sure, but a welcome one. I really did hope they were setting Pawbert up to be like "fuck my dumbass family, they suck and never appreciated me" but I think it was around when we got to see his cute little cat hideout that I was like "gee I sure hope he is actually a good guy" and was sadly proven wrong by the end.Seconding you on the Aladdin thing - I was born in 99 and raised on renaissance (and before) Disney films on VHS and DVD, Aladdin being one of my favourites so I watched it lots. There's a Jack Nicholson reference in that itself, funny enough.>>80010840I hate mpreg, I hate yaoi, I have never and will never ship anything except m/f. Mpreg / omegaverse / all that weirdo fujo shit is just not my cup of tea and never has been. It's so difficult to find friends in the fandoms I'm in who aren't weirdo fujos. I guess that's the price I pay being a right-leaning straight furry. I feel like a unicorn who will never find the kind I truly belong with. I can't exactly advertise I'm against those things because I'd be ex-communicated from the fandoms for not being "tolerant"... when in reality I don't care what sorta fetish someone has, as long as I don't have to participate in it.
>>80011826>We already had to deal with a scare regarding this issue and I won't be going through that ever again
>>80010117>>80012215I agree wholeheartedly even as someone who dislikes the ship. What you said makes perfect sense to me; I don't see Judy ever desiring the "traditional" role of a female where she's trapped at home with kids. I think IF she were to raise children, like someone else pointed out and which I agreed with in an earlier post, she'd adopt because it would be further in-line with her "making the world a better place" desire. By adopting a kit who has no family, that is making the world a better place, I would wager. But ultimately, I think Judy is the type who would be more career-oriented. I can see that being a hurdle Nick has to jump emotionally because if they were a thing (as much as I loathe the idea), I think he'd double-down on his paranoid protectiveness and try to get her to do more menial / less dangerous cases / tasks in the force for fear of losing her. I think if I were to write something WildeHopps, this is the angle I'd take to split them up. Nick would want her to be safe but Judy would want to keep doing what she's doing.
>>80012215>and aren't realistic about it.I am ALWAYS realistic about my rabbit ova being fertilized by another animal of a different order, family and genus, I will have you know.
>>80012246>being a right-leaning straight furry
>>80012285You got me on that, guilty as charged. I also unironically enjoy the Borba comics because it was so refreshing to see them get split up in a fanwork as opposed to eternally lovey-dovey; and Borba is skilled and draws them spot-on, to boot.I'll say this since it's anonymous, but my bf made me agree to abort if we ever had any "issues", and I agreed because I was not interested, ever, in carrying and birthing a baby. I have said many a time if I could snap my fingers and generate a 5 year old with a perfect combination of our DNA and NONE of the mental illness, I'd do that. But alas. So I sorta see Judy's perspective in this comic, but I also see Nick's - the father should have a say. If he wants to keep the child and there's no possible genetic complications involved, and the father of said child WANTS to be in the child's life, I think it's selfish for a woman to abort. I guess in this comic's case, the hybrid might be a fucked up freak and she could die... so eh.
>>80011671>>80012096I read the leak, so I just presumed Pawbert was a two-faced piece of shit. I hoped maybe the leak was wrong, but then Pawbert turned on his friends for his shitty family. Bastard.
>>80012410Please not here. I just want to hope against hope that my fox and bun become canon. Not this cult shit, ok?
>>80012410I didn't know how else to phrase it, but that's why I used the word "leaning", I am not THAT far right. Honestly I think ascribing any term to myself is a disservice because my takes as a whole don't pin me into any particular category.On that note, I hope the political climate in Zootopia is healthy, but as we've seen, there's much corruption in-universe as well... just like real life.>>80012464I didn't know there was a leak. I'll never not be mad about what they did to him.
I will be honest kings, this whole "they don't look like they would want kids" and whatnot is a real interesting argument and I want to know I would kiss your heart for it, but I don't think I ever saw a series or movie where the characters do look like theyd be good parents. In some you have nigh psychopathic vigilantism YA protagonists and others you have literal global threat solved by a single person. Given, ya'll might have a point considering the moment the protags turn into parents in the west they become the worst people in existence, justifying their kids hate and disappointment on them in the sequel (You hate your parents btw). Eastern media usually is fine they are just characters that get beat up because they are obsolete and busted after reaching the ripe age of 20. I guess this is all to say: If you are someone whose life is so cool it could be a series protagonist, use a protection and birth control! You don't want to be turning again in samsara.Where was I? Oh yeah Judy and Nick, no way they're getting kids, this is THE abortion IP. It would be a waste if they wasted my man Borba years of work laying the groundwork for such a movie, no doubt.Anyways, I will still believe Pack Street ends up like Xenoblade Chronicles 3.
>>80012351>like someone else pointed out and which I agreed with in an earlier postThat was also me btwI'm writing a WildeHopps fic at the moment but they won't actually have become a romantic couple by the end (if I ever even finish it, that is). It's about them eventually deciding over the course of the story to move in to an apartment together, "totally just as friends and for entirely practical reasons" as they assure each other. Anyway, the whole point I'm trying to make with it is that their relationship is all the better for being a non-conformist slow burn, rather than it just being "and then they kissed.">>80012215>It's just not the life that the actual, canonical Judy Hopps would want.I just remembered that we now also have some degree of confirmation of this too that isn't just fan interpretation.Look at the face she pulls when her grandma says she "prays every day she'll come home and make babies">>80012361I know you're joking, but to clarify, I meant "realistic to their characters".
>>80012944>I know you're joking, but to clarify, I meant "realistic to their characters".Big dog Judy last movie was desperate to apologize to Nick for hurting him *emotionally* and this movie she blames him for losing Gary De'Snake voiced by Ke Huy Quan after almost dying and never actually apologizes for it. Hell the moment he says he didn't care about the mission she just toss him like a cumrag instantly lmao. Nick is barely a character and his role is just being a stick in the movie so I get her but he's your partner she should've thought about that before.
>>80012944That fic sounds lame, they should be a romantic couple by the end. I mean seriously, what's the point.
>>80012944The face she's making is a very good one to point out. I think Judy would choose to get herself fixed for fear of this ever possibly happening to her.>>80013146I was thrilled (as anti-WildeHopps) when Nick said "I think we're just too different", and very surpried. However I agree with your take on him in this second movie; it really feels like Nick is more of an accessory for Judy in Z2 and he has little character depth in it besides "I wanna be on the force cause I like being around you", which is kinda... sad. I wish we could just once get a chunk of Nick-focused stuff. Even a prequel would be nice, seeing his mother, potentially his father, how he was treated / abused by peers in school, etc. Just more backstory and depth for him would be awesome.Speaking as someone who doesn't really care about Judy at all; I'd have rather had this franchise be entirely Nick's by himself.
>>80011826>I may hate the ship and don't want it to come trueAll other opinions disregard then
>>80012351>if I were to write something WildeHopps, this is the angle I'd take to split them up
>>80013146The lack of media literacy some of you have is astounding. I can't even be bothered to contend with everything that's wrong here because you wouldn't listen even if I did spell it all out for you in excruciating detail.>>80013222>asks what the point of it is after I just said what the point of it isHow presumptuous of you to assume that I'm writing it to please you, and why would I want to write something that's been written a million times already.
>>80013258As much I would like to follow Nick perspectives, not having Judy involved is just heresy. Verdict....
>>80012351>desiring the "traditional" role of a female where she's trapped at home with kids.>she could adopt to have the "traditional" role of a female where she's trapped at home with kid>and get the trope of men sabotaging their lifestyle because they think of them as having no idea of consequence, like a childno more longposts for me today
>>80013353>why would I want to write something that's been written a million times already.You can never have to much of a good thing. He'll, there can never be enough of what is the absolute definition of Peak.But in all seriousness, it's how one writes them falling in love and becoming a romantic couple is the highlight. Like DC elseworld stories.
>>80013479>But in all seriousness, it's how one writes them falling in love and becoming a romantic couple is the highlight.I never said they wouldn't fall in love in the story.
>>80009125I think the bestter question is if the various hybrids we know of are still sterile in the zootopia setting, like would zebroids and mules and such be able to breed like a Liger or Tigon could.Typically hybrids names are structured [father species][mother species] so for Nick and Judy it would be Fobbits, probably. Or Fares, if Judy is actually a hare. Obviously a base level of familiarity is needed, but perhaps whatever it was that caused all these myriad animals to evolve along the same path has also made them surprisingly compatible with each other.More than likely it's just the typical furry thing and the kids are just a coin flip of either parents species and coloring.
>>80013258>I think Judy would choose to get herself fixed for fear of this ever possibly happening to her.That's way too extreme. She's already segregated herself from the primary bunny community in a city where bunnies are an extreme minority. Unless she gets an inexplicable yearning to go back home I wouldn't see her getting her tubes tied for something as unlikely as a pregnancy scare.
>>80013353Louder for the people in the back king
>>80013353I was kind of annoyed until the hug scene. Because while some people call it shit writing to me it says no these characters both know what they're doing is destructive. They're both doing it for more or less the same reason. Nicks priority is Judy not dying, while Judy's is keeping them as partners. Both care but Nick's is like severe OCD PTSD level shit. Because trauma. He has never had anyone that makes him feel anything like Judy does. If she died I don't think he'd kill himself, but I bet he'd take all the most dangerous cases he could until he could see Judy again. The hug scene didn't “fix“ the writing of how the characters acted, it explained it, and I thought it was well done.
>>80013258>he has little character depth in it besides "I wanna be on the force cause I like being around you", which is kinda... sad.That was funny, as a former fan I thought he had some inner interest based on his past but the dude really is in desperate for pussy. God bless. Lesser men would quit at cop school.
>>80013265Alright, feel free to disregard opposing viewpoints I guess. I'm here for discussion so hearing others' thoughts is entertaining to me; even if I'm the single anti-WildeHopps in these threads, I don't mind because I'm not here to circlejerk and echo chamber with shippers like you.>>80013341If I write something like this, it's obviously not for people like you - I write for my own entertainment, and when I write (and draw) it is primarily because I am providing something I can't find anyone else making. Like they say, if you want something done right, you have to do it yourself.>>80013353Seconding this anon's sentiments; similarly to what I wrote above, why would I write something that's been written a million fucking times and drawn a million fucking times already?>>80013385I just could not care less about Judy.>>80013478Notice how I said "IF", the thought of her raising a child sounds unrealistic to me but that's why I wrote "IF" because it's a big fucking if. Do you have no ability to understand that those two things I wrote are not mutually exclusive?Trying my hand at drawing Nick again right now. It's been so long
>>80013569>Nicks priority is Judy not dying, while Judy's is keeping them as partners.I'd say Nick's priority was also to keep them as partners, wanting her to be safe was consequential to that. Where they differed was their methods and insecurities. Lay low and stay out of trouble, or crack the case and prove everyone wrong. This goes all the way back even before the gala when the stakes didn't include Judy dying.>The hug scene didn't “fix“ the writing of how the characters acted, it explained it, and I thought it was well done.Finally, a civilised man.
All of these posts debating whether or not Nick and Judy would want kids—or arguing that Judy would never want to be a “domestic housewife”—feel largely pointless. At this stage, the discussion isn’t really adding anything meaningful; if anything, it’s actively killing my ibe. It reduces complex, evolving characters into rigid stereotypes and shuts down more interesting possibilities for growth and storytelling.The idea that Nick and Judy wouldn’t want children doesn’t actually align very well with who they are by the end of Zootopia. Both characters are defined by growth, healing, and choosing connection over isolation. Nick starts the story emotionally guarded and cynical, yet ends it open, hopeful, and deeply invested in building a life that matters. Nick’s entire arc is about learning to believe in himself, in others, and in the idea that the future can be better than the hand he was dealt.Judy, meanwhile, is driven, compassionate, and stubbornly optimistic—but also learns that success doesn’t mean sacrificing personal fulfillment. Judy’s arc isn’t about rejecting family or domesticity—it’s about rejecting limitations placed on her by others. Those are two very different things.And the whole “Judy would never want to be a housewife” argument is mostly a strawman. Wanting kids doesn’t mean giving up her career, her agency, or her identity. WildeHopps has always been about partnership. Judy doesn’t get sidelined, and Nick doesn’t become a passive accessory—they adapt together. That’s kind of the point of their dynamic.
>>80013667I mean a bunny with similar trauma to you offers you to become her partner and get out of crime. She's cute and brightened your life up more in two days than anything in the past 20 years. Like he said the world looked at him like a crook, so that's what he was. Judy started looking at him differently, messed up, apologized, and a life helping someone who was willing to do all that for him seemed better than hustling.
>>80013788From a storytelling standpoint, them having kids is actually a far more interesting route than just declaring they wouldn’t want them and calling it a day. Two cops in a high-risk job trying to raise a family adds real stakes and real texture. Suddenly it’s not just about cases and ideals—it’s about time management, fear, exhaustion, compromises, and learning how to be emotionally present after dangerous shifts. Watching them figure out the ins and outs of parenting while juggling trauma, duty, and each other is peak character development, not character regression.More importantly, it reinforces the heart of Zootopia: hope. Nick and Judy choosing to build a family says they believe the city is worth fixing, that the future is worth investing in, and that they trust each other enough to take that leap together. At the end of the day, WildeHopps has always been about growth, trust, and choosing connection. Kids don’t undermine that. If anything, they underline it.
>>80013795Yeah, I know. I'm not sure if I would join the police force just to be giving snark to the boss and being beside her doing barely anything and not caring about my job but I would stick to her like glue.
>>80013766If you and are just a contrairian for the sake of being a contrairian, then leave the fandom
>>80012434God, Borba. What a guy. If it was for **that** comic, and its two sequels, he would probably be a pretty respected fan artist. I'm not certainly against different perspectives when it comes to Judy and Nick's relationships and its stories that could come from it, but I think that there was too much spite being put into it. I know eventually Borba Nick and Borba Judy re-unite and become friends again, but it's just such an ugly and nonsensical chain of events.I love Wildehopps because it's just such a concept that has been put to the test for centuries but still holds up - two opposites. The cunning sly fox with a pessimistic attitude being forced to confront his enthusiastically ambitious bunny that refuses to give up. This was supposed to post an hour ago, but I had a call come up. I hope nothing crazy has happened :D
>>80013569>>80013781I'm actually impressed how many people fear the big S.
>>80013766>If I write something like this, it's obviously not for people like you - I write for my own entertainment, and when I write (and draw) it is primarily because I am providing something I can't find anyone else making. Like they say, if you want something done right, you have to do it yourself.I would agree with you, but you make it sound like you are just huffing your own farts
>>80013853Being a contrarian for the sake of contrarian gave us This Is What True Love Looks Like, IWS, Rape Rabbit, Judy Is Dead, though.
>>80013788To me I think if they had a kid, they'd be fine. Nick and Judy would have no problem raising the kid and doing their job. Why? >600+ rabbit family >Mrs Wilde>Emergency Clawhauser/Bogo dump (this would actually be cute)Hell I'd love to see Mrs Wilde take care of the kit while they're working. We've seen nothing of her yet seen Stu and Bonnie several times in both films.
>>80013872Big S?
>>80013788>>80013818I like your funny words magic man. I'm glad you see the narrative and thematic potential of the two of them exploring parenthood rather than going doom and gloom as though their lives would be over.
>>80013541I guess if we're going with the WildeHopps storyline like most everyone in this thread is thirsting for, then with my hybrid-hate logic babies wouldn't be a problem / scare for her at all.If she'd not met Nick, and had perhaps met a male rabbit or a hare, then I think she probably WOULD get fixed.>>80013530If it's like real life, then the hybrids that ARE scientifically possible would not be viable and would be unable to reproduce. Ligers (tigress + lion) are fertile, tigons (male tiger + lioness) are sterile. Not sure on the science of WHY but I'd wager it's the same rules in Zootopia.>>80013569As someone with genuine OCD I disagree on using that to describe his behaviour, but it is certainly some level of obsessive. I also interpreted his "confession" to her as him basically admitting he has literally never had any close friends who truly know / care about him, so because Judy is the one and only mammal yet to show him this sort of friendship / care, he has latched onto her emotionally to a severe degree. Oneitis, sort of thing.>>80013667Like I said above, gets one sniff of attention and now they're writing him like he has oneitis. If ever I DO write my NickxSkye fanfic I'm going to use this angle to split up Nick and Judy under the pretense of which he seemed so obsessed with Judy because he literally had NOBODY else. In my hypothetical, Nick will have felt "abandoned" by Skye because the reason she isn't (or wasn't) around was (mentioned in last thread) she moved away after high school and he thought he'd never see her again. She didn't reach out again even after moving back which I think would hurt him a little before she explains why. But here I go sperging about my hypothetical fanfic again. Maybe I'll try my hand at a draft this weekend
>>80013858>he's a predator >you're prey>and he's a mammal>and you're a reptile>and you have feathers>and he is grounded>and you actually are a poisonous specieswho gives a shit. this plot doesnt even make sense anymorebig borba L on this one
>>80013858>I know eventually Borba Nick and Borba Judy re-unite and become friends again, You forgot to add, "then eventually falling in love and getting together, with a incredibly romantic bond that now stronger than it was before. A passionate love that is now harden by trust, understanding and unwavering affection
>>80013907Sorry. Admission of being wrong. Everyone can explain themselves. I understand that you're supposed to wave everything that happened before like people do in fanfics where you can literally mention astrology to justify why they were emotional and burned down an orphanage with the children inside, but not even a "I will do this now" was given, just Judy and Nick looking at each other and speaking to everyone.
>>80013892I only now two of those things. WTF is "This Is What True Love Looks" and "Rape Rabbit"Also, what is wrong with Judy is Dead?
>>80013818>>80013923From what we've seen Nicks dad is awol. I feel he would 100% want nothing more than to be the dad he never had. Judy is a bunny and I wager she'd be more than happy raise some kits. Hell she's used to it as she had to have helped raise some growing up. Now would they quit their jobs? Well it wouldn't fit well for fun stories so I don't think so. I think they can totally become a couple, give us a kiss, and maybe move in together all in 3. They could have proposal be in 4, maybe wedding in 5, then worry about kits after that.
>>80013989consensual 6 rabbit babies.non-consensual 6 rabbit babies.>Also, what is wrong with Judy is Dead?Obviously the snak-OhHuh.
>>80013853No, I'm not. You think I like being alone? You think I like being the odd one out? It's not fun. Also... *contrarian >>80013858I thought the drama surrounding the response to his comics was absolutely hilarious. It was endlessly amusing to me to see how much seething it created; people got so up in arms from him making one anti-WildeHopps comic that they seemed to have forgotten all about his pro-shipping pieces, and about all the other hundreds of pieces other artists have made. One person making anti stuff doesn't immediately retroactively remove all the proshipping artwork out there. It just gives more perspective / different storylines / ideas.>>80013886I actually tend to hate everything I draw. If I could find someone else to make the concept I have come to life, and I had extra cash, I'd just commission someone else. I make things for myself because literally nobody else makes things I want. I don't even really like drawing anymore because I've plateaued in skill so severely and have been utterly at a loss for how to improve. I'm not happy with anything I make anymore, ever, unless it's fanfic and even then I am very critical.>>80013892I'm not familiar with any of these but I must ask what the last two are, they sound horrifying. TL;DR?
>>80013982Their hug and confessions were big long sorries. Yeah they didn't say the word sorry but the entire thing is one big implied sorry in of itself.
>>80013951>A passionate love that is now harden by trust, understanding and unwavering affectionBeing the sucker that I am, I wouldn't be opposed to it. But as far as this 4 year old ending to the comic is concerned, this is their last interaction. Unless Borba decides to revive the thing by saying that the failed JFK like assassination was actually orchestrated by Nick or something stupid (nb4 he sees this and goes through with it).I think he wanted to present something a little bit more serious for the audiences and found himself in over his head, I mean the amount of hate he got from inside the community is one thing but once word got out to the general public it just destroyed everything. Still like his art style though.
>>80013933>If ever I DO write my NickxSkye fanfic I'm going to use this angle to split up Nick and Judy under the pretense of which he seemed so obsessed with Judy because he literally had NOBODY else. In my hypothetical, Nick will have felt "abandoned" by Skye because the reason she isn't (or wasn't) around was (mentioned in last thread) she moved away after high school and he thought he'd never see her again. She didn't reach out again even after moving back which I think would hurt him a little before she explains why. But here I go sperging about my hypothetical fanfic again. Maybe I'll try my hand at a draft this weekend
>>80014044Fic where judy is raped in her sleep and has a long discussion that she decides not to abort them.Judy actually died in the vent and Nick now becomes a grizzly veteran and is supervising Judy niece named July