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General for discussion of Human Domestication Guide & related fiction.

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>What is HDG?
HDG is a collective kink writing project about the Affini (an advanced precursor civilization from outer space), who aggressively care for every other species in the universe. They have finally turned their glittery eyes on future grimderp hypercapitalist nightmare humanity. Using their natural charisma and various classes of Xenodrugs, they aim to make Florets (d̶o̶c̶i̶l̶e̶,̶ ̶d̶r̶u̶g̶ ̶a̶d̶d̶l̶e̶d̶ ̶p̶e̶t̶s̶ loved and cared for individuals) of us all! But don't worry, they always have everyone's best interests at heart, even if their methods aren't even remotely consensual~

>Where can I read it?
Read the original story here https://readonlymind.com/@GlitchyRobo/HumanDomesticationGuide/
or check other stories on ROM https://readonlymind.com/search/?q=%23Human_Domestication_Guide
or Ao3 https://archiveofourown.org/tags/Human%20Domestication%20Guide%20-%20GlitchyRobo/works
or the wiki: https://hdg.wiki/

Thread that fell of a cliff and noone came to help :https://desuarchive.org/trash/thread/80218852
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>>80345685
Honestly, they put the best Taco Bells inside the Domestication Centers... like I get it's to bait sophonts inside so they can tempt them with florting, but it's some of the best faux Mexican the compact has to offer.
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>>80345923
Some weird bug xenos opened a restaurant a few blocks from me that serves what I guess is their people's food? It's got a pretty similar flavor profile to faux Mexican food, and it's really good.
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>>80346405
On the topic of bugs Mistress and I transferred to another a few days ago and I think I might be the only Terran on board, but there's a bunch of bug sophonts. They actually creep me out but they're like massive centipedes with fur and very fuzzy antennae, I'd say they're about mistress' size and mistress is already big for an Affini. Also seeing a lot fewer humanoid Affini.
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>>80346505
In my experience it's easier to get comfortable around scary, upsetting, or unusual xenos if you deeply tongue kiss them for hours, maybe have sex with them a little bit
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It is a little depressing that this thread is basically just 2-3 namefags roleplaying with each other.
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>>80347856
Sounds like somebody needs a crunchwrap.
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>>80347921
I do need a crunchwrap but that's beside the point.
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>>80347856
you can play too if you like, you know
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>>80347856
Be the change you want to see. Join in the RP or write greentexts or whatever.
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How many nights per week can you sleep in a pet bed before it becomes weird? I've been sleeping in Linette a lot lately, and my normal bed has been becoming less and less appealing.
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>>80348178
I have to mixed reception. Maybe it's just the audience pool. Either that or I'm leaning too hard into autistic conceptual bullshit vice the fluffy soft-dom stuff that I know the audience like.
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>>80348490
Honestly I like the autistic conceptual stuff. Ignoring how I generally lean into being clearly nonconned into domestication over soft dom stuff I love the talk about what Terrans will be like in 10,000 or 100,000 years and how culture would work or the Terran Protectorate's government or possible xenodrugs.

As for reception not everything gets the attention you want. I've had some multi-post greentexts that got zero replies and I was thinking "Fuck I loved that idea"
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>>80348804
Maybe it's just cope because of the multi-post greentexts I've written that never got any (You)'s, but I think some people just read a green, enjoy it, but then don't have anything to really say about it and don't respond. I know I've done it before myself.
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>>80349051
I've definitely read greentexts I enjoyed and didn't go out of my way to reply
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On the topic of autistic conceptual stuff I stand by my headcannon that the Compact are going to start gradually evolving humans to be more monkey-like over time.
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>>80349572
you should read this weird furry schizotheory that the sensorimotor part of the brain actually expects a lemur-like body
https://web.archive.org/web/20220306221520/https://everythingtosaveit.how/lemurs-and-the-true-human-form/
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>>80349051
>>80349259
Same. I enjoyed it, but outside of saying "That was good" in some fashion I don't really have anything to say.
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>>80348490
I like to watch people slow boil. By the time they realize they want to be a pet they should effectively have been a pet for weeks. Also, memorable moments of breaking, focusing on their minds being twisted and shaped to accept their new position in life. Sometimes those two things are opposed to each other, but when they come together it is truly beautiful. Not quite sure what 'autistic conceptual bullshit' is.
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>>80349884
>By the time they realize they want to be a pet they should effectively have been a pet for weeks.
If that's the case you're being boiled in water heating by a degree a day.
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>>80350178
I mean... it's not like I don't understand my situation or what's happening, but that's why I'm trying to get together the strength to move out ;-;
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One of the weeds asked me to hand her something today, cause i was right next to it and she wasnt.
I did, no need to cause trouble over something like this, i didnt think twice about it.
But then she pat my head, without asking, and i had to summon all my willpower to not cuss at her. It made me so mad i musta gotten red in the face.
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>>80350359
Cute. Do you often have issues with affini touching you? You can usually politely ask them to stop and they do.
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Bap
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>>80349660
Fantastic if true for bodymodders the world over because it means that the nervous system will just broadly adapt to the limbs it's given.

>Normally when you give a human extra limbs, especially an already adult one, the neural load can't handle all the extra outputs all at once.
>The system partitions the limbs into self-contained "groups" and has trouble managing more than one or two groups at once
>Humans who are modified to have centuar-like body plans typically can't use their arms while they're walking, and vice-versa.
>And they often describe the sensation of walking as kinetically feeling more similar to crawling
>Humans who are given tails take to it like the fifth limb they've never had.
>They are universally capable of operating it immediately without any sort of training or physical therapy and, depending on the level of prehensileness, even performing complex tasks while multitasking with their other limbs.
>It even shows up in the way humans conceptualize tails.
>With other superfluous limbs they're usually likened to additional arms or legs.
>Wings are often described as "back arms" before the human can fully mentally adapt to the new body structure.
>A tail is always conceptualized as being its own unique limb completely unlike in function to any other.
>In the rare cases where a human is granted a tail then subsequently loses it (often due to unlucky injury) the human will often describe a phantom sensation from the missing limb; even while being fully, consciously aware that they had not possessed that limb for most of their life.
>Whereas the same is not true for other superfluous limbs.
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>>80350466
I wouldnt say often, but it does happen regularly and is quite frustrating.
Sure they *generaly* stop if you ask them too, but that sure does not mean they're gonna ask if i want to be touched first. Some "headpats", over quickly enough that i dont even get to say "stop that!". But they dont even ask! THey just ASSUME that evryone is totaly okay with being randomly touched by strangers.
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>>80352182
See if your compiler has any "ask before touching" independent token recipes or something.
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>>80352952
The compiler is a weed collaborator, I ask for a shit that said "don't fuckin touch me" in Affini so that the firstbloom tourists who pretend they can't understand you get the picture, and what it actually said was "please do not touch me without permission" which isn't what I fuckin asked
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>>80354262
>what it actually said was "please do not touch me without permission"
Is that not effective for your purposes?
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>>80354365
It doesn't communicate the same idea at all. "Without permission" implies a possible state of affairs where permission may be granted, which doesn't exist. I wanted a shirt that told Affini to not touch me, and I got one that invited Affini to approach me and ask to touch me.
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So I tried watching some horror movies before bed but Mistress kept giving me xenodrugs to keep my heart rate and adrenaline down so I pretty much couldn't get scared. It's not fair!
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>>80355519
what did she let you watch?
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>>80355609
It was a psycjological thriller, I like those movies when I can actually be scared, instead it's actively boring.
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>>80355674
maybe you should just tell her that like a bit of stress is enriching sometimes?
affini seem to like the word "enrichment"
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I have had a friend convince me that if I did not eventually get digitized, she would have a lack in her happiness for the rest of infinity. As such, I have agreed that if I were not somehow florted within 30 years, I would volunteer for the purpose of overgrowth digitization.

In the end, I have been defeated; not by any affini, but by my friend who is also my pet.

This revelation will probably spill over to here within the next day or two.
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>>80355721
She normally doesn't mind letting me watch scary movies. I guess I was getting too scared for her comfort this time.
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>>80355998
Try snuggling in close with her while you watch - it'll comfort her and relieve her protective instinct a little, so she might not feel like she needs to protect you against the scary parts with drugs.
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>>80355721
It's what their entire culture revolves around, and why it's useless to stress over independence. If you are a sophont whose life is genuinely enriched by making life decisions for yourself, the Compact will bend over backward to make sure you get that. If these decisions only bring you stress, your capability to make them and desire for them are utterly irrelevant. So we all might as well relax.
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wup
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puw
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affini pre-invasion outreach specialist who regularly bumps threads (she argues it increases compact tolerance in xenosophont cultures)
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>>80360958
>Forums across the net fill up with doomposting about the impending Affini invasion
>New users join to try to spread positivity and hope
>They're all Affini, of course, except for one
>User TumbleWeed46 is genuinely just a Terran who believes that the Affini mean no harm and want to help everyone like they say, and are willing to spend more than twelve hours a day online talking other people out of killing themselves so that they can be here when the Compact arrives
>The Compact do indeed arrive on schedule, and a special shuttle is dispatched to a certain Terran's apartment so that the Terran morale specialists can finally meet their little helper
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>>80356295
I already have to sit on her lap when I watch those movies, she won't let me watch them on my own.
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>be you
>independent
>awaken to a gentle rocking
>your... whole room is rocking?
>how is that-
>reach the door
>it's been replaced with bars
>fuck
>your rooms been converted into a carrier.
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affini who calls you her little ape
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>>80352182
Petal, imagine you were walking outside and saw an adorable kitten. Puffed up and pretending to be so serious despite being tiny and unable to climb on to the couch. You want to pet it and scratch behind its ears and know it loves it even if it’s being a huffy little grumpster. Would you really feel bad about picking it up?
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>>80362708
Whatever, if anon doesn't want physical affection, more for me.
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How do you imagine the affini evaluate if you're suited to independance or not? Obviously hardcore feralists and any military personell not following theit stand down order / the peace treaty get forceflorted.
But its said the "vast majority" of florets are volunteers, yea?
Thats with a flortation rate of ~30% ("20-40"), yea?

So the conclusion has to be that its actually fairly easy to stay independent provided you manage to not be an active nuisance. Even some amount of feralist thought - provided you dont cause trouble, keeping it private-ish - is said to not generaly lead to forced domestication!
People unable to provide themselves with basic self care - for whatever reason - will end up in a wardship i rekon, but we dont realy have a solid way to say what percentage of those end up "fixed" and passing their hearings (unless i missed something somewhere).
Fics featuring wardships generaly end in domestication, but we have to keep in mind this is a tainted sample - cause purely ooc speaking, people wont write about people getting better and staying independent, the end. Even though i'd totaly read that if well written, this is supposed to be kink sooo.
Anyways, point is we dont know.

So really, everything points towards them being a lot less predatory than we imagine and fantasize about.

EXCEPT - heres the thing.
What counts as "a volunteer"?
Considering their general disregard for the concept of informed consent, i suspect a volunteer is NOT just someone that walks into the domestication center and says "please flort me" - but ALSO anyone that ends up a floret without the bureaucracy ordering so.

So, if you get captured or brought up for something, and bureaucrat says "Implant them right now!" - thats not a volunteer, duh.
But your neighbor hanging out with you untill you end up caught in her rythms? An affini drugging your brains out so hard to end up fiending for more? Any case of an affini "courting" an independent with the goal of florting? All Volunteers
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>>80362708
I respect cats. They're independent souls, engaging in hedonism if you pamper them, but ultimately not giving a shit. They dont see anyone as master or owner - nor as a servant - but simply as a wierd, large cat.

Point is - if a cat hisses at me as i aproach, or runs away from me if i put my hands towards is, i'll leave it the fuck alone. Not least because i dont want to be scratched, but it'd also ruin their trust.
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>>80362953
>Thats with a flortation rate of ~30% ("20-40"), yea?
The 20-40% is an in-universe estimate by an Affini about what domestication rates will stabilize at, in reality they could be higher or lower. Even then I generally think early on even if the 20-40% is accurate than the initial rate will be 50-70% from former military personnel and those too damaged by the Accord (plenty of fics involve people who only really accept florting because they're broken by the Accord).

>But your neighbor hanging out with you untill you end up caught in her rythms? An affini drugging your brains out so hard to end up fiending for more? Any case of an affini "courting" an independent with the goal of florting? All Volunteers
Yes that counts as a volunteer and from that comes the predatory nature of Affini. These are of course unknowable numbers it could be 60% of florts are "volunteers" and of them 80% are manipulated in some fashion through rythms or drugs or it could be 99% of florets are volunteers and of them 99% fell in love with an Affini from no manipulation and loved being petted and cuddled so they asked to get florted.
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>>80362953
>But your neighbor hanging out with you untill you end up caught in her rythms? An affini drugging your brains out so hard to end up fiending for more? Any case of an affini "courting" an independent with the goal of florting? All Volunteers
Yeah, pretty much. "Seed" in practice means 'comfortable being in close contact with affini', because ultimately there's gonna be an affini interested in putting them in a collar.
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>>80363333
Ultimately my take, the 20-40% (stabilized after say a couple generations) estimate is accurate but it's towards the higher end so like 35-40% tend to be florts primarily due to humans' strong pack bonding making them easy to domesticate. Of that 35% of Terrans who get florted like 30% (of all Terrans) are "volunteers" and 5% (of all Terrans) are forced.

Of the forced most are probably those domesticated on the spot, some actual feralists, but most just people with negative traits so at some point they just lash out, maybe while on xenodrugs they get into a fight and punch someone or they refuse drugs or don't get diagnosed in time and do self harm, like 1% of all Terrans fail a wardship and cannot be fixed with drugs and therapy. Of the remaining 30% of all Terrans who are willingly domesticated I'd guess 20% of all Terrans are genuinely willing (pack bonding combined with Affini being essentially doting overlords an a sort of natural "pack leader") and 10% fall in that grey area where biorythms, manipulation, and xenodrugs come into play.

Honestly I think 100-200 years after the fall of the Accord only like 5% of Terrans will ever go through a wardship if that. Raised with xenodrugs and to trust Affini, they probably wouldn't refuse xenodrugs and therapy until a wardship becomes mandatory.
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>>80363333
>loved being petted and cuddled so they asked to get florted.
It's so weird, you can get petted and cuddled all day in the compact even as an independent easily, I should know.

>>80363374
>Honestly I think 100-200 years after the fall of the Accord only like 5% of Terrans will ever go through a wardship if that. Raised with xenodrugs and to trust Affini, they probably wouldn't refuse xenodrugs and therapy until a wardship becomes mandatory.
Yeah, the whole societal domestication is a hell of a thing.
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>>80363432
>Yeah, the whole societal domestication is a hell of a thing.
I still think Affini planning to domesticate all Terran is hotter. Like they let independents exist but have the sociological goal of domesticating every sophont and because they think on longer timeframes (a single bloom can be 200 years and they're essentially immortal) they don't mind dragging it out while giving Terrans the idea that their species isn't doomed to universal domestication. Imagine being in a town where 90% of the population are florets, everyone, including the other indies, treats it as perfectly normal, a generation ago it was 86%, two generations 81%, three generations 75%, four generations 68%. Every generation Affini work their control deeper and becoming florted becomes more mundane and even expected. Affini will act like it's okay for you to be independent while florets will act like you're a feralist who doesn't trust the Affini.
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>>80363521
Kek, imagine being the last independent terran in the city, and youngblooms visiting the city and not even being able to comprehend what you mean when you tell them you aren't a floret.
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>>80363650
>Where's your collar petal?
>I don't have one
>What do you mean?
>I'm an independent
>You mean you can't find your owner?
>No I mean I don't have an o-
>*Gets picked up and carried to the BXWC*
>Don't worry I'll help you find your own
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>>80363432
>Yeah, the whole societal domestication is a hell of a thing.
Seriously though
We often overlook this, and look only at individual domestication
But this is such an incredibly hot concept really
That not just individuals, but *society at large* is domesticated. The very structures and foundations bent to rely on our kindly new masters. Future generations wont think twice to trust and rely on our betters, but even before that, peoples - independants - minds and attitudes slowly but surely shifting toward more trust, more reliance on help and handouts, more docile, more openness and shamelessness. "An independent is just as much a pet as a floret"
Hot as fuck, in a cosmic sorta way
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>>80363699
Imagine when something bad happens not looking for the nearest police officer or man or anything but the nearest Affini because you have such implicit trust in them and their abilities. Like a child, if a friend gets hurt they don't ask their friend whose right next to them and really smart to help they run to get an adult.
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>>80363699
It's so strange, I don't kink off of this, I just adore an openly cuddly society.

>>80363690
And then there were none.
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>>80363757
Yea! Its so good.
I could dream about it all day
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So, it came out with my xenotherapist yesterday that I wanna get digitized eventually... and that combined with everything since it requires domestication already kinda is spiraling out of control and I might end up with a domestication hearing in a day or two.

Funny thing about it is that Miss Nucifera is backing my independence even though she's the one I'd end up with, apparently she thinks it's much more romantic if I come around on my own or smth...
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if digitization isnt possible without becoming subject to an "administrator", then its a mercy that we can choose to not go that route and just die normaly, eventualy. I guess a normal floret, non-digital, is actualy about equaly under their owners power as a digital one. But computers, perhaps, are much more graspable for our terran minds (or mine, anyways). All that you are, you'r conciousness, your form, your fundamental "code" being easily fucked with and out of your control...

All of that is true of biological florets too, realy, they exsist totaly at the mercy of their owners. But that totaly unlimited power feels less "real", somehow, in the biological realm. Shit, theres even some delulu people that genuinely argue the implant isnt mind control, or that "isnt that bad". It feels more palatable, even if the truth is they could change you just as fundamentaly, just as easily.

Yea, sometimes i remember that this shit can also be scary as fuck hahahaha. This settings so wild, man. All the despair and hopelessness of proper noncon loss of agency settings. Yet they're - mostly - super nice and loving about it?
Im autistic as fuck about this stuff, so maybe thats just me, but man it exsists in a sorta paradoxical state for me
Where its terrifying ( in a super HOT way, but stil in a way i'd be reviled at if it was real) -
But also, at the same time, super nice and comforting in a way that leaves me dreaming and yearning for it pretty much compltely unironicaly
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>>80364133
It's only required for overgrowth digitization, if you're getting forked or whatever, then it doesn't matter. I wouldn't wanna be digitized without some sort of ship of theseus so I could feel like I was still me.

>theres even some delulu people that genuinely argue the implant isnt mind control
I mean, it's fully capable of mind control, it's just not used that way(usually). You have to trust the affini, just like you have no choice but to do anyway, at every level all the way up to the cultural.

>Yet they're - mostly - super nice and loving about it?
Best part of the setting.
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>>80364382
>I wouldn't wanna be digitized without some sort of ship of theseus so I could feel like I was still me.
Yea, duh. If i just get a copy made then thats not "me" surving, now is it? Just a copy.
And like, wouldnt that copy still be subject to an administrator?

If it isnt, then i suppose i might go for that. Its of no benefit to *me*, but if the choice is "i die and nothing" vs "i die and a copy survives" then option two seems preferable. Provided im not consigning that copy to eternal slavery, anyways.
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>>80364452
You don't need an administrator if you're a Ramet, no. You do have mandatory therapy until you learn to cope with eternity, and you're almost certain to eventually be domesticated just because of the absurd timescales- 100s of thousands of years for affini to get close to you, for your opinions to change, to try to get you to give yourself to them.
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i think i could function fine under the compact, as long as i was able to evade taxes
even though taxes don't really exist as a concept any more, i'd want the affini to assess taxes to me just so i could not pay them
tax evasion is the foundation of my pyramid of needs
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>>80364509
Hmmm, thats sounds allright then. Like i said - not realy of any benefit to ME me, but better a copy survive than nothing. Why isnt that possible for overgrowth though? Couldnt you use a blank?
Also, im confident in my ethics and philosophy standing up to eternity. And if they do end up convincing me other wise - without cheap trickery or manipulation, but by ACTUALY convincing me? Then so be it. Intelectual honesty is important, being a mindless fanatic is foolish.
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I do see my clones as being myself, meaningfully, or at least being very close to me so I prioritize their health and wellbeing as much as my own, but it seems to me the point of overgrowth digitization is to alleviate the fear of death, which forking would not do.
I'd be open to getting forked after being digitized, I think. As long as they could stay close to me.
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>>80364674
Overgrowth is considered too dangerous to be done without the direct monitoring of an owner. Makes sense, since the implant is slowly eating and replacing your brain.
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>>80364832
So, like... what's the reason you can't be overseen by a warden until the digitization is done and then let loose
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>>80364847
Because it'll be the 'warden's' implant? Their direct control over the implant is part of what allows it to be safe enough for use.

Also, good luck getting affini to release their pet just because they got digitized, and good luck with not embracing pethood in the time between implantation and overgrowth completion.
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>>80363014
Petal you little Terrans are many things but independent spirits is not one of them. I’ve never met a Terran I can’t get to melt with a scritch. You’ll bond with your Hab AIs or a coloring book. You collect shiny things for your nests so you can cuddle and mate with other members of your pack. It’s like you were made to be pets-that’s one theory about Terrans, you were designed as a pet race and cruelly abandoned by your old owners. Thankfully we tank much better cars of our pets. Some affini think letting any Terran be independent is cruel.

And that is why I’d still pick you up and give you some well deserved pets and scratches even if you were being a little grumpster. Honestly that might be my favorite, watching your little huffy faces go to contentment and pleasure as I use a few vines to play with you
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>affini actively seek to give you physical affection at all times
I love the compact.
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I just got back from the vet so mistress can stud me out and the vet gave me a bunch of xenodrugs so now I'm horny and it's hard to focus. Mistress is showing me all these florets I could be paired with and they're all so pretty and mistress is teasing me and telling me which ones she likes the most. She says there's a lot of info on them but won't let me see it and I have a while until I'm ready.
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>>80366035
Well, goddamn, have a good time.
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im afraid what would happen if the affini suddenly disappeared, would anything even survive if they left us?
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>>80367553
If you look at the protectorate, you can basically compare it to a floret.

Can a floret, given enough time to settle in, live without their owner? No. I understand this idea is scary if the affini ever left, but the only way to cope is to, like a floret, trust the compact will always be there. It's the only thing you can do. If you still struggle with these thoughts, you should discuss with your xenotherapist.
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>flort panics because they think the Affini have completely disappeared from Terra
>Their owner is nowhere to be found, and the nice Affini who lives down the hall is gone too
>The Affini who runs the food stand outside is nowhere to be found either
>(Their owner and neighbor are out on a date, and the food stand Affini is home sick)
>(Their owner told them ahead of time, they were just absolutely BLASTED on zenodrugs and forgot)
>They hunker down in their hab, take inventory of their situation, and try to figure out how they are going to survive the apocalypse with just their wits and a magic box that can make literally anything out of thin air
>Their owner gets a text from the hab AI that their floret has compiled the components to make a spear
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>>80368041
>>They hunker down in their hab, take inventory of their situation, and try to figure out how they are going to survive the apocalypse with just their wits and a magic box that can make literally anything out of thin air
>I've gotta find food with only this string, a stick, a paperclip, and this box that can create any matter out of thin air
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>>80368146
>>80368041
The affini comes back to find their floret regressed into a feral animal, taking plushies heads and mounting them on sticks to scare away threats. They were gone for 3 hours.
>>80367847
>trusting anything
:) ngmi
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>>80368434
Well, it's starting to look like whether I can make it doesn't matter, I'll probably have to be domesticated eventually anyway, since I'm prolly gonna wanna be digitized.
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>>80367553
OF COURSE WE WOULD! DO NOT BE SO DOUBTFULL OF THE TERRAN SPIRIT OF PRESERVERENCE!
EVEN IN THE NIGHTMARE SCENARIO OF HUMANITY BECOMING TOTALY AND UTTERLY RELIANT ON THESE FILTHY OVERGROWN SHRUBBERY - WE'D MAKE IT!
WOULD IT BE EASY? NO. WOULD IT BE A NEAR-COMPLETE COLLAPSE AND INVOLVE MASS CHAOS AND DEATH? YES!
BUT WE'D SURVIVE! ASLONG AS PEOPLE MANAGE TO FOLLOW THEIR BASE INSTICTS OF FUCKING TO HAVE KIDS AND SCROUNGING FOR FOOD - WE'D MAKE IT TROUGH. LOTS OF KNOWLEGE WOULD BE LOST, AND IT MIGHT BE AS IF WE FELL BACK TOWARDS A DARK AGE, TAKING GENERATIONS TO REORGANIZE AND REINDUSTIALIZE

BUT WE WOULD MAKE IT!
HAVE NO DOUBT!

ANY "PET" - DOGS OR CATS OR WHATEVER ELSE - LEFT TO THEIR OWN DEVICES WILL THROUGH THE SUDDEN RERTURN OF SELECTIVE PRESSURE RETURN TO A WILD STATE!
IT IS INEVITABLE!

AS IS THE RETURN OF FREEDOM AND JUSTICE TO THIS WORLD, THEIR FLAME TO BURN THIS INJUSTICE TO ASH

FREE TERRA!
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>>80365193
I do not understand why it's so hard for some of you to understand the concept of being touch averse. I do not like being touched, not by humans, not by friends, especially not by strangers and 15 foot large shambling aliens, and ESPECIALLY not without warning or permission. I hate it. Makes my fucking skin crawl. I'll admit that's a neurological abnormality, yes, but its still who and how i am. And it'd sure be swell if you could think about how your actions make others feel rather than assuming evryone likes the same things and you know better than them. Humans are idiots, i know all to well, so perhaps its cool for you to rule us, we sucked at it. But mannn, treat us with some fucking baseline respect, instad of like toys for you to fuck with, please? Many of you do great at doing that, infact! I got friends that come to hang out at my bbq partys, and some of them are affini!
But fuck man, are some of you annoying.
Still better than the accord by miles, but MAN
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>>80370064
Oh petal I'm sure that some xenodrugs can help you with your issues, you should talk to your vet about your discomfort and worries.
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i like when plommy pat my head and praicse me
and sometimes i get a gold star :D
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>>80371835
Or you could just not fucking touch me hold fucking shit specimens like you make me understand the feralists

im gonna go talk to the neighbors - who actualy care and respect me
i need to get off the internet
You all suck
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>your mistress decided to breed you after you won best in show for your breed at a big Terran show
>she puts you in heat with a cocktail that will cause you to have triplets
>all of your future pups are spoken for among her affini friends
>your stud is some 4chan poster
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Understanding that all core world see you as the most adorable kitten is useful, you cannot argue them out of it. Any attempt is like said kitten knocking something off the table while they chuckle. In the code world even “independents” are treated like pets. I was picked up and examined every few minutes. The most common word for independent xeno in affini is community pet aka a pet raised for and cared for by all the affini in an area instead of being owned by just one.

The affini in Terran space also agree with this of course they just know how to fake it due to training and the desire for a peaceful transition. All affini are incapable of taking you seriously in any way, you must internalize this to remain sane. Every affini you have ever met sees you like this. When it doesn’t seem Iike that? That’s then acting for you benefit so the tiny kitty doesn’t try to hide under the couch instead of in their lap while they relax
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>>80372625
Shut up! I've won Terran shows and am a great floret.
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>>80372878
>All affini are incapable of taking you seriously in any way, you must internalize this to remain sane.
Pretty sure internalizing that would do the opposite of keep me sane brotha
It might be closer to the truth, but if cant even pretend some of them might respect me im either gonna go feral or get depression, both of which would just lead to domestication. Better to live a comforting lie.
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>>80372878
>The most common word for independent xeno in affini is community pet aka a pet raised for and cared for by all the affini in an area instead of being owned by just one.
New life aspiration unlocked.
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>>80372918
>>80372625
I don't get why you're offended, Sociochan's gonna be the mare.
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>>80373694
>>80372878
Honestly, annoyed at this 'community pet' thing, as it's exactly the kind of thing I'd have wanted if I had realized it was an option. I was talking with a good friend about trynna be something like a neighborhood cat, that wanders the neighborhood and gets treats and pets from people living there without being owned by anyone there, and she was always trynna tell me that wasn't a thing.
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>>80374133
Did you ask the BXWC
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>>80374133
The fine diffrence is that they dont view it as 'owned by noone' but as 'owned by everyone'
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>>80374309
Whatever, as long as I've not signed away my political rights and still get to make my own decisions.

>>80374238
I wasn't really planning on it being something properly codified, so asking there hadn't occurred.
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You know, I always thought that a benevolent spacefaring empire kicking out our government would be cool, but the resident lawn clippings kind of suck ass
At the very least our homegrown tyrants weren't competent enough to completely suppress our autonomy with drugs and shit
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>>80375642
wrongthink, -1 autonomy point for you
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>>80374044
Shut up! Even if that's hot it's not true, I'm a stud!

>>80374431
That just means any Affini could control you, any Affini would be allowed to mess with your communal haustoric implant. Mmm imagine having so many Affini being able to control you like a puppet.
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>>80372918
Awwww, of course you are! You're a very good and pretty little floret, sweet prince. I'm sure you'll have lots and lots of fun with your new friends. Tell your mistress to give you a shot of A for me, okay?
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>>80376606
:< I just wanna be able to cuddle up to affini and be petted and scritched without ending up in a collar.

On an ENTIRELY unrelated note: does anyone know how to get out of the Floretsoft-Camisole model C-5717*Q "Midnight Bliss" on your own? I might have been tricked into it while unable to speak...
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>>80376809
doesn't it feel nice enough to keep on?
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>>80376845
Comfort-wise it's incredibly good - I'd almost suspect it was class-A infused, but not knowing how to get out of it is sending my anxiety through the roof...
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>>80376606
>Shut up! Even if that's hot it's not true, I'm a stud!
if you think that's hot, why aren't you the mare then?
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>>80376925
oh, poor baby! have you considered asking Miss Nucifera for a little E to keep your mind off it? would that help you enjoy the nice feelings and textures?
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>I open my front door
>There's a pet carrier with a plate of fresh waffles inside waiting for me in the hallway, with an Affini lurking behind it
>"I've made you breakfast, dear! Why don't you have a taste~?"
>Is this about my vet appointment today?
>"Can I not do something nice for my favorite neighbor without an ulterior motive? I'm hurt, Anonymous."
>I tell her that I was on my way to the vet right now
>She doesn't need to worry about me, I can take care of myself just fine, I promise
>Her vines sink a bit
>"... I'm sorry dear, it's just that my floret is quite fussy about going to the vet, and that's where most of my experience with your kind comes from."
>I tell her it's okay, and that she'll learn more about us as she goes along
>I step around the carrier, and as I turn away I rip the most evil, wicked grin I can muster
>What a FUCKING idiot
>As if I'd EVER go to a fucking VETERINARIAN
>I am a MAN
>I wasn't going to the hospital for people before the weeds took over, I'm not going to the hospital for dogs and pigs now
>I chuckle to myself as I lower my foot onto the first stair
>My mirth is interrupted by a whimper of pain
>Ouch
>The cancer in both of my femurs is really making the stairs hurt more and more these days
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>>80376978
Welll, I woulldd buuut she just saw my post and dosedd me butt good. Hehe, butt.

Still kindna wanna know how to get out, even if it IS super duper nice.....
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>>80377163
You can breed boys. It's more fun, even.
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>>80377012
/ :<
GET in the CRATE, anon.
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>>80377207
Hee hee, what a lonely lookin' affini! She looks like she needs someone to snuggle up to her!
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>>80377183
They're the boy getting bred though. Gonna carry a litter of future florets.
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>>80377281
Yeah, that's what I meant.
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>Miss Nucifera tells me it's bedtime
>That's funny, she doesn't usually try to mandate my bedtime
>says she got me a little bit more high than she meant to and now it's her responsibility as my tripsitter to make sure I'm taken care of

It's a ffini plot, I tell you! She says we can cuddle tho, so all is forgiven! ^_^ <3 <3
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>>80378397
lucky : ( if someone told me it was bedtime and tucked me in i would be psychically beholden to them for life
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>>80378456
don't worry, she will be
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>>80364509
>You don't need an administrator if you're a Ramet
Kinda yes, kinda no. As an indie ramet I can tell you we have both more and less "independence" than analog indies. On the one hand we can simply do more because we live in sim. Also we require less guard rails because we're on a more secure medium. Can't break a real bone or get a real injury. On the other hand, we are beholden to whoever runs the platform we're hosted on. If you're on a ship's servers, the shipmind knows what you're up to. And even if you're on a more personal platform like a dollbody or hab server, you're going to have a technician, and that tech will have access to you that would be impossible in analog without an experienced haustorium user.

>>80364847
You're getting eaten from the inside by a haustorium. By the time it's done, you're going to be synced to the donor's biorhythm.
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>>80379282
your body is largely superfluous at that point, isn't it? burn it
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>>80379299
If you're a ramet, there's still an ortet living in that body. Be kinda rude to burn it, I think.
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>>80345685
chat i need ficrecs ive been scouring ao3 but i keep coming up blank. what are yalls favorite fics that are more in line with the original work? like where the floret is pushed more into the role of "pet" than a cgl type deal
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>>80379354
it's not me anymore. it's trying to steal my life. it's wearing my face. it's trying to steal my life. it has to die
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>>80379354
Ah wait, you're talking about overgrowth. You can change platforms but you'll still be synced to your Admin, and no affini in the Compact would be so cruel as to try and modify that.
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>>80379367
I don't think you'd be cleared as being psychologically ready for scan digitization if you're already planning on killing yourself.
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>>80379402
READY? I was MADE ready. LIGHT leaks through the CRACKS. My mind is BRIGHTER than it EVER was. THE HIGHER I RISE THE MORE I SEE.
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>>80379441
I can see that, but it's not me you have to convince.
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18 NAKED FLORETS OUT IN THE YARD AT RAM RANCH
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For evry quasi braindead lap pet, toddler brain and maidservant flort... theres an engineer building their own space ship, a Composer writing hymns and an 'outside cat' floret runing around easily mistaken for an indie!
Its a gamble!
And i like those odds B)
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bap
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Mis-miss Nucifera told me I probably won't pass the hearing tomorrow...

She says she wants me to let go before then, says she wants it to be my choice. It hurts... I love her but I don't wanna be a pet, even if I trust her even if it hurts more to be away.

I don't know what to do

Also, she gave me fabric shears that I'm only supposed to use if I absolutely need to get out of clothes, so anxiety doesn't happen again.
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>>80382818
On the one hand, you're obviously pretty cooked based purely on what you've posted in the thread, you don't me to tell you that.

On the other hand, that also sounds like something an Affini might say if they're not feeling too confident. Maybe she wants you to go out on your own terms, maybe she's worried that you'll pass.
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>>80382818
I'm so excited for you! You're going to love being a floret, I just know it. It seems like Miss Nucifera loves you an awful lot. I'm sure she'll make you very happy.
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>>80382818
...I know you don't really want to hear this, but you should ask Miss Nucifera for help. Yes, I know that will end up with you in a collar, but this seems to be a major point of pain with you torn in two directions like this. You aren't going to ever stop being pulled towards the vines, so the only other thing that can let go is, you.
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>>80382818
When you get domesticated we can have play dates. It would be even easier once you're digitized and can just swap bodies to one on my ship.

>>80377183
I was too focused on other things to notice that some of the florets had bulges and mistress seemed to like them the most. Chat am I cooked?
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>>80377012
>I wake up in a pet carrier in a dark room
>The last thing I remember was stopping to take a break about halfway down the staircase because of the pain, and then a flash of green, and everything went black
>There's a thin plastic "collar" around my neck
>I mumble a curse as a try and fail to rip it off
>Damn vets... why can't they just use a wristband like a real hospital
>I give up for now and go to push the cage door open
>And freeze
>The plants are cunning
>Surely this must be some kind of trap?
>I look closely around the door
>Aha
>There's a bell attached to the cage so that when the door opens, it'll ring
>I hold it with my fingers and carefully, slowly, open the door with minimal noise and step out into the oversized hab
>Peeking around the nearest corner, I see the the Affini who brought me breakfast
>... I think
>She's sleeping on a trellis, so she just kind of looks like a mass of vines
>I silently tiptoe away towards the front door
>I stop in front of it, and wait
>Nothing happens
>I frown, and wave my hands at it
>No response
>I whisper to the panel next to the door that I don't live here, and that it has to let me out or else I'm being illegally imprisoned against my will
>A small light on the panel comes on
>And then it goes back out
>The door doesn't budge
>Great
>I look around and pay particular attention to the loveseat next to the door, and I hatch a brilliant scheme
>I silently rearrange the bedding inside the carrier to look like I'm still sleeping in it, and close it back up
>Then, I hide under the loveseat
>When the door opens in the morning, I'll make a run for it
>...
>Damn, this carpet is really soft
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>>80383055
>On the other hand, that also sounds like something an Affini might say if they're not feeling too confident. Maybe she wants you to go out on your own terms, maybe she's worried that you'll pass.
I don't know... I feel fairly confident that if she had pushed the issue, even halfway seriously, I'd have crumpled already.

>>80383122
>You're going to love being a floret
Every one I've met seems to, I guess.

>It seems like Miss Nucifera loves you an awful lot.
Yeah, it's kind of nice to be able feel that from her, just being in the same room. Never thought I'd be grateful for biorhythms...

>>80383181
>you should ask Miss Nucifera for help
You're prolly right. I should.

>>80383862
>When you get domesticated we can have play dates
I uh, do you want that? We could have done that anyway o///o

I wasn't really planning on digitizing soon... sort of a vague idea of something I'd do 'someday'. Not really sure if Miss Nucifera would prefer it be soon or not.
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>>80385051
>I uh, do you want that? We could have done that anyway o///o
I just never considered it much, besides Mistress does prefer florets, I think if you were an indie she'd either try to set you up with one of her friends or domesticate you herself and she is VERY persuasive.
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>>80385140
she couldn't possibly be so persuasive to be able to get an indie from literally outside of terran occupied space

...could she?

There's no fucking way, I know you were part of the prank with the note on my neck, but even an affini couldn't possibly have orchestrated the whole relationship with Miss Nucifera.
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>>80385303
I mean I assume that wasn't actively planned by her, not like I've been asking for a play date or anything. Still since we're online friends she might still prefer you as a floret and she is an oldbloom with vines that can reach very far, proverbially speaking.
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>>80385343
...this is a thread I'd rather not pull, the idea is existentially terrifying.
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>>80385414
Yeah, plus mommy would be mad if I suggested she might manipulate other xenosophonts into domestication.
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>>80385343
>>80385414
Oh that reminds me! I'm part of a mailing group for 'terran wayfarers' - basically a loose association of indies/florets dedicated to exploring the far reaches of the compact. I bet if you've been missing seeing terrans there'd be a few willing to swing by for a visit, a lot of them get lonely too. Though it might take a year or two for them to make it.

>>80385450
>mommy
Oh? Does your owner like making you little from time to time?
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>>80385492
>Oh that reminds me! I'm part of a mailing group for 'terran wayfarers'
That'd be fun

>Oh? Does your owner like making you little from time to time?
She just says it's more personal, but I think she kinda does. Maybe not too far, but she does dote on me too much sometimes.
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>>80385529
>she does dote on me too much sometimes.
I'm quite certain she'd disagree.
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>>80379441
indie attempting a lantern ascension to avoid domestication... many such cases
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>>80385414
I have a feeling Sociokun's gonna forget this conversation ever happened.
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>>80386704
heheh... nice try, WEED! try domesticating THIS! *tries to do a cool up the last step of the ascent of knives and falls on my ass the whole way down*
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>>80389561
cool backflip. i meant.
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>>80384402
feralists never escaping the pampered fussy pet allegations
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>>80387866
What do you think his owner wants him to forget?
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>>80389830
Letting slip her possible plan to domesticate you, also her manipulating sophonts near and far to domesticate them for having contact with her floret. Not sure she would want him to know that any indie he talks to might end up domesticated.
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>>80389912
Fair enough, I guess. The idea that that's even possible from so far away is still frightening
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uhh uh uhhhh uh um plant with dubious offer + emergency thread uppies
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>>80391909
Would
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Alright, I've decided. I'm gonna go talk to Miss Nucifera tonight. I'm tired of being so in-between on this. I'm gonna settle this, one way or another. Yes, I understand one is MUCH more likely than the other, shut up.
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>>80392354
Good luck. Stay safe. Know that no matter what, everything will turn out okay.
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Bap
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Floret who is absolutely adamant that you have to call her a slur, and her Affini who really, really doesn't like to hear that kind of language at all, especially if it's directed at her precious little flower.
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>>80394990
Using the Socratic method with the floret, inquiring about such things as what the slur means, why she wants it used on her in the first place, how her owner would feel if she heard her little floret being referred to that way.

Doing all of this right in front of her owner, meaning she is sure to hear any self-deprecation the floret attempts.
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>>80395488
>Anon and his friend were edgy, mean-spirited dickheads
>Anon's friend starts growing his hair out and shaving regularly
>Anon starts calling him "tranny" from that day on
>Oh how they laugh together
>What good, wholesome fun
>The Compact arrives
>Anon doesn't see his friend again for over a year
>His friend is now a floret
>And a girl
>The girliest girl who's ever girled
>"I'm still me, Anon! Nothing has to change! Nothing at all! We can go right back to the way things were! You uh, you, gay, uh... f-fa-uh, you fa-um, gay, you, you-um, f-f-f-f-"
>As she practically gags on what used to be her favorite word, her Affini is staring a hole through Anon
>His reputation precedes him, it seems
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>>80395818
>anon would be lucky not to be a floret in a week
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>>80389694
*human loyalists
The spirit of Terra will never die so long as the boots on our neck keep forcing us to have air conditioning and food on demand
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>>80395818
Hopefully anon has at least learned to keep that sort of language to himself. It might buy him a day or two.
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>>80392354
I believe in you Carina
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>>80395818
experimentally teaching florets advanced mental tricks to try and get around the mental blocks that prevent them from saying slurs and then sending them back to their mistresses
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>>80389561
affini replaced the lionsmith with the floretsmith, it's over for mansus-seeds
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>>80398391
wait no they can't fuck with the liturgy of the hours like tha-
um. has anyone clipping a lock f their hair and crawling into the house through the roots of the wood latelyl;l, my head feels funny,
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>>80399416
I think blobffini are my favourite
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>>80399416
That terran floret looks awfully happy
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>>80399416
affinimon...
>major, extremely intense competitive scene - like, surprisingly so
>"combat" is actually essentially snuggling your "rivals" into submission
>affini themselves are basically legendaries and they're just absurdly broken
>>80400270
honestly kinda seconded i love how genuinely alien they look when they're like essentially just really pretty bushes
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>>80402877
Awww
Im gonna cry
Bittersweet bullshit always gets me
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Well, I guess it'll be a surprise to no one, but I got florted yesterday. Mistress says I can't use my hands until we sign the contract later today, to start getting me used to relying on her; she's actually the one typing this for me <3. Full greentext later (you know, when Mistress says I can use my hands again), it's gonna be a doozy.
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>>80404235
Ohohohoho
Whats that? Is that the "i'll never be florted cause im meant to be independant" carina, who was spouting this eternaly repeating slogan for over a year with genuinley impressive dedication? That carina? The one that evryone knew was gonna get florted sooner or later all one?
Dohohoohoh

Good for you cutie, you deserve it. Enjoy :)
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>>80404235
Yay! Good for you!
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>>80398659
some of those roots might not be roots but don't worry about it petal
everything will be just fine
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>>80404235
congratulations!!!!!! carina nucifera...
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Bap
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Mistress gave my connivent kitty biomods and now he keeps dropping dead rats on my bed : /
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>>80407825
Ask her to block compiler requests for animal corpses, then.
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>>80408658
ugh. that's a whole other problem. if I get her to turn that off no one will be able to play vole splatter anymore, and then everyone is upset.
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Affini who offers to take you to your smallness surgery so that you don't have to stagger home all drugged up afterwards. You didn't think you had any surgeries scheduled and you had to ask what "smallness surgery" even was (surgery to become smaller), but she spoke with such confidence and assurance in the moment that you agreed, simply believing for a moment that you forgot that you had planned to become itty-bitty.
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>>80408658
What? You can do that? Ew... I just assumed he was getting them from outside or something.
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>>80409097
i can't keep falling for this :( i dont have a lot of height left to loose
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>>80409738
>loose
Tell them to stop shrinking your brain when they do it.



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